Debuff factions

[inner canyon]

They've gotten to strong and are just creating a hyperwar server.

Mercs stand no chance, and other civis stand zero chance at all.

Merc endgame is faction starting gear, and I only see factions being made stronger and stronger, and mercs and civis being left in the dust.

There are suggestions to make mercs stronger, but honestly?
I think we should focus on balancing the factions, and stop buffing them non stop.

How do we do this?

I have no idea.

But I want to hear some of your ideas, and I'll post some when I can think better on it.

But I am making this post because I know some people feel the same way and want to speak on it.

@warm sable

[warm sable]

really the only big power creep i care for are ships

but yeah

its true

[inner canyon]

One solution I had
Was anything over 90mm
Need to be reloaded
Like the charon and torpedos.

[warm sable]

i like 90mm, its a good borderline between artillery and suppressive fire

if it ever needed loading

it needs to be massive cans that last in multiple fights

90mm is on everything though and i dont like that

[inner canyon]

That's why I felt 90mm and anything below
like the plasma guns and 20 mm
Dont need reloaded.

[warm sable]

idk abt it, honestly a community decision

idrc abt 90mm since its pretty balanced on current ships

but its just

overused

[inner canyon]

We need a better gun than plasma
But not as strong as 90mm
90mm imo should only be on Merc shuttles
And add a new gun to the non Merc shuttles

[inner canyon]

Also community decisions need to stop.
Maintainers need to just say "this is how it is"
Because everyone votes, then they all bitch about the choice made.
Then it's recast and everyone votes opposite the first vote
Then everyone bitches and it's recast and it keeps going in circles.

[warm sable]

yeah ik

[pure trout]

ive been genociding tsf with no prob, if anything those potato brains need a buff

[pure trout]

or let people vote but rig the result so its always in favor of maints choice

[warm sable]

you underestimate their capabilities

theyre just dogwater at combat

[pure trout]

what capabilities

[warm sable]

their gear

its good

and usable

it just doesnt beat rogues

[inner canyon]

Their gear is better than all other groups.
It simply does come down to a skill diff.

[warm sable]

rogues are meant for boarding, thats why you dont see tsf trying to board

lmao

and yeah

they have some crazy endgame shit

rogues have stealth

thats why they win so much

underhanded tactics which is good

[cold ermine]

maintainers saying "this is how it is" is not a good idea considering that means in order to have any input whatsoever you'd have to be a maintainer

[stray swallow]

yeah

[warm sable]

yeah and the current maint team is not too coordinated from the current dev choices

[inner canyon]

I know you're right but we have players who actually says they use multiple account to skew the vote.

[warm sable]

but that doesnt mean this community is any better

at choices

[inner canyon]

So like, community's votes ain't working.

[cold ermine]

ok. that happens in every community vote on any server

[warm sable]

consistently has the community vote just made things worse

the point is community vote is bad

[inner canyon]

Kinda yeah

[stray swallow]

than how about you use suggestions? theres tons of things people have voted on suggestions that dont evne come CLOSE, so add those if you feel its balanced

or just

[warm sable]

i do

[stray swallow]

tell them to fuck off if they ask for a recast

[warm sable]

im just pointing it out

but its not like

they care abt suggestions

its good that its used

[cold ermine]

if only the maints get decisions or only people in power get decisions, you get something similar to what goobstation had where the server had a full on revolt against durk because of a two month long antag freeze that killed off a bunch of maints and contributors

[warm sable]

but the maint team doesnt seem interested in it often unless you shove their face in it

[stray swallow]

honestly suggestions should eb used more

there are alot of good ideas in them and things the community clearly wants

[warm sable]

yeah theres no use of suggestions if contribs dont do it themselves

at this rate

[stray swallow]

literally

all suggestions are rn is a war zone between rage baiters and rage baitees lmao

[warm sable]

yeah i dont blame the maints

its alot of mald

and those should be taken down tbh

but the actual discussion threads, with opinions and actual topics

those are good

[stray swallow]

but then you get maints who add stuff cause mald

[warm sable]

yeup

[stray swallow]

cough cough hoverbikenerf cough cough

[warm sable]

(contributor)

[stray swallow]

meh same thing

honestly

maybe at this point just remove discussions from suggestions and just keep it at voting

that way the rage baiting and shizz stays out and if people dont like it cause its mald they can X it

instead of just yelling at the person for posting mald

[pure trout]

bait or be baited

[pure trout]

for every good idea someone pitches, five alt accounts get made to downvote

[mint condor]

just

Just make more PVE stuff for mercs and civs

That they can loot and become as strong or even more stronger than factions

You already can loot UIV's and stuff like that (they just need to be remade)

expeditions too

Just remake a lot of PVE stuff and that's it

mercs just do some work and they become as strong or even more stronger than factions

there's no reason to deuff factions since they're powers

ASR are insurgents

TSFMC is a superpower

USSP is uh... A superpower too I think

[warm sable]

they already do tbh

also

the issue isnt mercs being able to prep

its that they HAVE to prep

to fight factions

and even

then

its a losing fight sometimes

even against roundstart factions

[brave steeple]

Factions are fine right now

Aside from general balance concerns, mercenaries at most could need a buff, we’re already like 75% of the way to finishing faction balance

Additionally, suggestion threads are almost always Ideasguy posts that people upvote without discussing further; Maintainer staff have more important things to be working on, like fixing balancing, lag, and other problems

A good few of them are also just… bad ideas

Just because a suggestion gets 10 nameless upvotes, doesn’t make it a priority or even something maints are obligated to do

[pure trout]

but a poll that gets nameless votes all of a sudden are perfect justification to ruin the game

[agile shoal]

Fully support this

Factions compared to Mercs is an insane power difference

This needs to be evened out

Not just through faction nerfs

But also merc buffs

[brave steeple]

it’s actually the feedback in the thread that we really care about

Poll player count is also valuable ofc

[pure trout]

and both have an equal amount of maldposting/spitevoting per capita as these suggestion threads

actually nevermind, it has same amount of maldpost but i definitely make more alts to spitevote