Heat damage from air

[shrewd summit]

When you walk into a room that is several hundreds of degrees you get burnt. But if you have a hardsuit/modsuit and the helmet is lowered you don’t get burned.

I suggest we change this to increase realism.

1. That heat damage is dealt to the head if the helmet is lowered when in a room with high enough temperature.

2. That your character is unable to breathe without internals if the room temp is too high.

Second part is Couse of you have a suit and helmet is up. You can still breathe the air even if the air around you is several hounded of degrees. And let me tell you, there is a progressive limit of how hot air a living thing can breathe.

This is a quote from a smart lad: ”oughta port EE seperation for it then.”

[shrewd summit]

Heat damage without suit helmet

[zenith ridge]

This is realistic actually

Because your head hot suit inside body cold inside suit head body cold so not really that hot

@shrewd summit

If you need anything else lmk

[shrewd summit]

I mean. It’s not realistic? I am a fireman irl and I can tell you that you need head protection when it’s hot. Does not matter if your body temp is cold. 2. You can’t breathe inside hot air

[zenith ridge]

In space suit cold head body in suit cold hot inside suit cold out so not really

[shrewd summit]

I can’t understand what you just wrote

[zenith ridge]

Inside suit body hot space cold outside head body suit hot cold inside a little bit

50/50

[shrewd summit]

I still can’t read that. I have irl experience in being in flaming hot environments. So I am not convinced by your made up version of what realistic is. 1. You can’t breathe air that is 200 degrees. A basic example is inside a sauna at 95c. Now imagine that at 300c. 1. You would get burned without protection for you face even if you had a body suit. 2. You can’t breathe air that hot. Burning your face with a suit with the helmet lowered should be at the same temp as your character starts getting burn damage without a suit.

• ”Burns to respiratory tissues are possible at >100°C (212°F) — think of inhaling steam from boiling water.”

” • Exposed heads would overheat or burn quickly in high-temperature environments,
• And blood cooling can’t compensate for the rapid heat load from 100–200°C environments”

[shrewd summit]

Heat damage from air

[hallow shuttle]

Sadly we lack the ss13 mechanic of air dealing damage vbased on temperature

Honestly might be an idea for wizden’s discord if I’m being honest

[solar quail]

Isnt this a thing already?

[shrewd summit]

Well rn you can get burns if your are in a hot room without a suit. Even less temperature is needed you your character have no clothing.

[shrewd summit]

What is already a thing?

[fast onyx]

realistically the hot air entering your lungs would do wonders to your respiratory system and there would be no end to the agony that is your internals becoming a sort of flaming bull

unless the hardsuits have a way of making the air entering cool instantly which isnt an issue tbh

i mean... they already technically (and mechanically) prevent your bodies internal temps from changing upon entering them

[shrewd summit]

That is true, maybe specifically with modsuits that runs of power, but you get me. The main issue I see is the non existing burn damage when helmet is lowered

[zenith ridge]

Cold inside hot outside suit on body outside outside suit inside cold sometimes depending on where you aee

Are

Pardon

[shrewd summit]

Cold body inside modsuit, head outside on the hot side get burnt.

[fast onyx]

Basically what u want is damaged to be relegated to the head when a hardsuit isnt fully on

Same with modsuits?

Modsuits CANT work like that since it has to be sealed

[shrewd summit]

yes

[shrewd summit]

That is true

[shrewd summit]

To prove my point I tested this more. At around 480 kpa I started getting pressure discomfort. As soon as I toggled to hardsuit helmet on that disappeared. But the main point is that the character is able to stand in air that is 1100c with a hardsuit, even without the helmet, and not even any internals(gasmask and airtank)

The pic with burn damage. Is when the character was naked. He started taking minor burn damage at 85c. I suggest that the same damage should start to apply to the head even if a character has a hardsuit, but the helmet is lowered, that the character can breathe in 1100c without internals is another issue…..

[fast onyx]

probably has something related to woundmed code to actually function this way

either that or a complicated workaround

make a bounty

[copper pike]

I disagree

But

Not for the reason you may think

the head shouldnt be the only organ that receives damage because if your helmet is on the rest of your body will also inevitably heat

I also feel like this would be a easy fix

[shrewd summit]

Do you mean that without the helmet up the rest of the suit is not sealed either so the hot air flows into the whole suit?

[copper pike]

aye

Outside of that

When your head heats up

rest of your body would also inevitably heat up

plus I feel like it would be easier to code it so the whole body heats up

Just gotta take a look at the hardsuit code first though

[shrewd summit]

I mean true, but irl your head would get the majority of the burn damage but for simplicity I’m all for doing the damage over the whole body

[copper pike]

let me clarify something there as well though

IRL the earths atmosphere protects you from a lot of things

in SS14

the atmosphere is sealed inside a steel box

So heat is a lot more lethal here

[shrewd summit]

I have not tested with modsuits if it’s the same there. I can test it later today

[copper pike]

it comes with pressure

[copper pike]

modsuits are a entirely different story but you wont need to fix anything with modsuits

Because modsuits already cant protect you from heat if you arent wearing helmet and the modsuit isnt activated

[shrewd summit]

Well Imma test it anyway but prob works like you say

[shrewd summit]

And for the code wise, I trust you. I’m not that good

[copper pike]

Id still have to check and make sure though

[fast onyx]

the ol fashoned flaming bull scenario

[shrewd summit]

Tell me about it