#Rules on Murder, Violence, and Self-Defense

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latent escarp
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Can't say I agree on these terms.

People are, flatly put, expendable. within the cannon everyone operating here likely has been cloned more than once save a few examples of unclonable characters. Not to mention the region is an active frontier sector and is being used as a warzone by multiple factions each vying for control and dominance over its resources.

Lives are from far sacred when each person can simply come back from death.

sinful obsidian
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This is against the spirit of this server and frankly this is very limiting for roleplay

latent escarp
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On a meta level this is closer to what the frontier server has done. And there is a reason a good number of folks have left that server. Conflict isn't the bane of roleplay and talking isn't the only way roleplay can be done.

Staying in character is about making a character getting in their headspace and acting as they would. And sometimes this means some people will simply choose violence as their tool of choice for situations.

People are flawed and in a sector filled with hardened veterans and clone soldiers it's not surprising how often murder is the go too conflict resolution

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Contractors are not immune to this either as I have found out through my own I'll fated attempts at raiding chemistry ships, when push comes to shove. Well prepped and resolved civilians can put that volition to violent ends to ensure there own safety and prosperity.

tulip moon
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Don't consider this a rule - it's more of a helpful suggestion. Sometimes, someone near you might start stealing from you. In such cases, you can't just kill them immediately. Instead, you can give them a warning, like: 'Don't do that, or I'll report you.'

It's just a personal guideline that's good to keep in mind, especially for new players. These situations happen quite often, so it's better to handle them calmly and reasonably. Again, this isn't an official rule - just a suggestion

latent escarp
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Overall I would consider this sector to be more analogous to the world of darkness. Everyone will find violence bleeding into their lives at some point. What matters is how the individuals choose to react to it

latent escarp
# tulip moon Don't consider this a rule - it's more of a helpful suggestion. Sometimes, someo...

I think that's a very generous stance to take

I firmly believe that your ship is your home so long as you are within it. And you are well within your right to remove them how you see fit and stand your ground.

So long as you treat them with due respect and drop them off to either CO security or medical dispatch (or a vessel working for them) you've done all you need too in rrgards to the trespasser.

sinful obsidian
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I think there needs to be more encouragement for people to call TSFMC instead of dealing with threats on their own

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That I agree with

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buuuut it should be a mechanic not a rule

novel finch
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this seems like the sorta rules you'd see on a normal, reasonable mrp ss14 server with an active security force and an entire crew strictly of civilians and no mercs or armed people

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even on frontier you could shoot trespassers and thieves

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so uh, Disagree

latent escarp
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Frankly I don't think the TSF distress beacon should lock your ship in place. As it is. It's not useful as a means to actually call for help. It's a trap for rookies who don't know better.

covert jetty
latent escarp
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It should send pings to TSF every minute or so until TSF can come to your aid.

novel finch
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having to ask admin permission for escalation is so absurdly

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its nonsense

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just report the bad actors

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its fine

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not even in normal ss14 is that a rule you'd see ever

latent escarp
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You should round crit and secure, or failing that kill them as well

novel finch
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conflicts are in the moment you can't ahelp for escalation lethal force perms

latent escarp
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Mhm. That was my biggest issue on frontier.

novel finch
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you could

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use lethal force against unauthorized boarders tho

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it was legal

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and thieves

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IC and OOC legal

latent escarp
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It was legal in character

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Meta wise you were going to be A helped an bwoinked. Even if you were using non lethals.

novel finch
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real

covert jetty
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the hypocrisy is crazy. keep your rules to yourself frontiertoid

latent escarp
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It was suffocating.

I am a mercenary. My day job is murder

Why are these people special?, we murder explorers by the dozen

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We dont spare a thought to them. Why should I spare a thought for you?

tawny crane
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Monolith isn’t frontier

fathom swift
astral wigeon
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Even accidental deaths after the round ends can get punished.
last part makes this sound like a shitpost

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WHICH I HOPE IT IS.

latent escarp
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I think that's referring to EORG

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Which is the only case I do agree on for meta reasons.

astral wigeon
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i mean RDM after round end isn't that bad

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if people want to do that they should be able to

fathom swift
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MUuuh but my character can't die in my spesssgame

astral wigeon
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though if there's others that want to just RP out end round that would also be fine

astral wigeon
fathom swift
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Millions must hug

astral wigeon
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friendship between the communards and the marines will bloom.

novel finch
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Enzo...

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Enzo just

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yeah

latent escarp
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Don't be mean there's a good heart to em. They just got different wants.

tawny crane
latent escarp
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Oh well in that case-

fathom swift
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The frontier consumes...

latent escarp
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I kid. But aye what I said still applies. Albiet in a more negative light.

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No offense to you Enzo. I just got bad experiences with frontier administration.

fossil galleon
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We are not frontier Enzo

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We are allowed to have fun and taking that away from us would render this server empty

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Only the truly required rules shall be passed, but none of these are required.

fluid ginkgo
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I think the main rule changes about conflict that would be helpful is shit like not spawncamping spawn zones and bare minimum having a reason to actually be shooting somebody

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since there have been times at TO or something where a guy had just wlaked up and started planting bombs on my ship wordlessly

fossil galleon
fluid ginkgo
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rogues wanting your shit is a valid reason

fluid ginkgo
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the bomber was also just

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some random contractor

fossil galleon
fluid ginkgo
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judiciary is just an exped ship isnt it

fossil galleon
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If you own a merc ship, it's enough to warrant rogues to be angry towards you in general

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Since Mercs tend to beef with Rogues

fluid ginkgo
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he wasnt a rogue though, just some random contractor

fossil galleon
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and they always abused the exped ftl to run away

fluid ginkgo
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basically a greyshirt

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The frustration with conflict here that I have personally is that most of the time it seems rather random

fossil galleon
latent escarp
fossil galleon
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There is a rule on engaging civvies as far as im concerned

fluid ginkgo
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its probably because rogues are still generally seen as pirates with cool suits

latent escarp
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Usually things are amicable enough though.

fossil galleon
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and its having to give them some kind of headsup or having them comply

sinful obsidian
fluid ginkgo
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ive had some fun interactions with them though (selling them guns is fun)

latent escarp
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To be fair they mostly play as pirates with cool suits.

fossil galleon
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but a contractor goign around breaking ships for 0 reason is more of an FRP than anything

latent escarp
fossil galleon
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You do already gotta uphold MRP ruleset aka common sense

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So you coulda ahelped that one

fluid ginkgo
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fair I suppose

latent escarp
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I payout generous bounties for slain TSF and proof of kill. And well as bounties.

fluid ginkgo
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I do DEFINITELY think there should be rules on spawncamping or at least a change in the way spawning works failing that

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last round I observed and saw a guy camping TSFMC for a while

latent escarp
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Yeah backup spawns should be invincible.

fluid ginkgo
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not something thats fun for anyone but the camper

fossil galleon
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And after that if you do destroy the base then they shouldn't really be able to spawn anyway

fluid ginkgo
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Maybe some sort of system that spawns a new shittier base after some condition renders the original lost

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so its not just the spawn campening

fossil galleon
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That would be nice actually

fluid ginkgo
fossil galleon
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If you destroy base, something like secondary tsf base spawns

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But for the said faction

fluid ginkgo
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would make conflict stretch out longer too instead of one side losing their base and basically being defunct past that

fossil galleon
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Admins would prob have to manage that stuff tho

fossil galleon
fluid ginkgo
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yuh, thin kI will

fossil galleon
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Backup bases would 100% fly

sinful obsidian
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if youre downvoting at least give feedback on why youre downvoting guys

tawny crane
sinful obsidian
novel finch
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its

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very authoritarian

sinful obsidian
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not all 12

novel finch
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does not fit mercs

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or space hardened civilians

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it presumes the TSF to be a security force instead of active military law

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prevents civvies/mercs from settling conflicts without literal admin interveention

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this is the wrong server for this

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go back to frontier

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thats my feedback

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harsh but true imo

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also thats not true enzo is not a frontier admin

errant steeple
fathom swift
errant steeple
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uhm xir, someone shot me, can i fire back? or im not allowed?

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"Even accidental deaths after the round ends can get punished."

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starlight mfs

fossil galleon
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If public hates you, they tend to have a reason

fossil galleon
errant steeple
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self upvote?

fossil galleon
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Yeah lmao

errant steeple
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To be honest, I love SS14 and its roleplaying, but the thing is that when you do so much roleplaying it is not as fun as in the beginning, I understand that SS14 is an online roleplaying game, but people also get bored, they want action, violence, hurting someone, in-game, and as you can see the community is against these... 4 commandments, most of the "new" players probably already know how to play or come from Frontier

errant steeple
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someones about to lose their powers

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"powers"

fossil galleon
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The likes there are "the" cyberjoel, Enzo himself, Tz and vilseon

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One of those smells like an alt

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1 is self

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1 is a frontier admin that invaded

errant steeple
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I don't understand the ORG rule either, it's literally the end of the game, it's not like the last 2 minutes are going to affect the gameplay or the RP. I never understood it.

fossil galleon
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And the last idk

errant steeple
fossil galleon
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That's like a one way ticket to awful admin ship...

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And the first thing he did after becoming trial was adding unneeded rules to enforce.

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😬

fathom swift
errant steeple
latent escarp
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Well bare minimum at least we made our thoughts known.

fossil galleon
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Either way, I don't like tight rules and Ark made it known that he wishes to leave the server dynamic and minimally enforced.

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So I have to say ❌ to this one

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The only part I would kind of agree to but wouldn't make a direct rule is the EORG stuff. Since there's plenty of times I'd like to continue my roleplay during end of round, but get stopped by grief.

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But I don't mind it either way

quasi bobcat
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Hey hi, here just carrying the primordial flame of the reasoning on why frontier has the EORG rule.

The practice started on Delta-V which is a MRP server because people wanted to finish their RP on centcom and even they made it so that the whole server became pacified, then on frontier we adopted the practice because there is always a couple people that sell and deposit money on the literal last second after the end round (yeah 12h rounds but still they leave everything for last) so when there was EORG at the end of the round they did not manage to deposit or sell their ship due to grief which of course sucks so thats why the rule was put on place.

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anyways, stay cool.

latent escarp
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Ye again I don't mind EORG prevention
That's fine.

It's everything else that I'm firmly against.

crystal perch
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I read everything.
I have to agree with people, hard rule preventing EORG is fine.
(Current escalation rules already protect us)

Past that, as much as I get what you're going for, this isn't frontier.

Do I feel some more rules if engagement need to be added for factions?
Sure, but I can not agree that we need admins to be apart of every single issue.

I'm pretty sick of rogues NRP shooting down TSF especially because I'm getting in trouble as TSF for shooting you without a word.

So, while I think there needs to be some rules for engagement, these are way too strict.

They are more akin to HRP servers, not MRP.

novel finch
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some people don't understand that tho

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its

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action and communication

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are two critical aspects to roleplay

deep axle
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no words

novel finch
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10/10 would believe you again

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ahelp maybe

deep axle
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nah, thats how it should be

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im not a narc

novel finch
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violence is roleplay but not all violence is good roleplay

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xD

crystal perch
tulip moon
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Suggestions are a great way to understand what players like or dislike.
They encourage people to express their thoughts, which often leads them to re-read the server rules more carefully. This helps players become more aware and thoughtful.

New players who are unsure or make mistakes can benefit a lot from reading suggestions. Even if they misunderstand something at first, reading others' feedback can lead them to revisit the server rules-especially the important parts-to better understand what's expected.

This method was mainly created to support new players. I hope everyone continues to share their ideas here, so both current and future players can learn and improve through open discussion.

novel finch
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your suggestions...

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they don't fit this server.

crystal perch
deep axle
deep axle
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and the only roleplay i could see TSF giving to rogues is an offer for them to surrender before firing upon them

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but that just gives the rogues time to prep or call in allies to overwhelm the TSF

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then again, TSF gets some beefy ships

crystal perch
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Any RP is better than just
Spawn in shoot, respawn rinse repeat

fathom swift
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Conflict is also roleplay

novel finch
crystal perch
novel finch
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but usually not not much rp all the time lol

novel finch
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its like

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roleplaying dull office work

crystal perch
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I don't want to become frontier where fighting is basically not allowed
But I don't like how TSF life expectancy is 1 hour.

white fiber
latent escarp
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Honestly maybe a hot take. But I don't think the TSF zapping a IFFless tethys on sight is a bad thing.

Frankly it's the safe thing to do in character.

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The TSF don't need to be hamstrung. They need to be doorkickers.

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This is a full on war they are in and they gotta be safe.

crystal perch
novel finch
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hail always

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er

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hail never

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XD

novel finch
latent escarp
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If anything the aftermath of that could lead to some interesting consequences and roleplay

sinful obsidian
crystal perch
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I only just barely got my 10 hours of TSF time I need to whitelist.
I really don't imagine I'll be back.
If it's uncommon that's good, but I've played with Shino and mima
Both said I have to follow stupid rules of engagement
Leading to be getting no diffed
Then lecture me saying I should be better at ship fights.

As if I didn't die solely due to bad orders.

sinful obsidian
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Well then theyre hypocrites because mima KOSes rogue ships on a regular basis

novel finch
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shino certainly

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mima?

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never seen it

crystal perch
# novel finch never seen it

Mima told me three times
"Hail first do not shoot on them until they shoot"
Then RAM got obliterated for following orders
I recovered good body and she ordered me to take him to MD I told her
We're right next to MD the rogue is going to come back and kill me
She told me to follow orders
I did
On my way back to my shuttle because DOC had nothing to help
I got blown up

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So yeah
Died to bad orders

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RAM even said "it's a rogue shuttle"
And she said "new rules of engagement you must hail them"

novel finch
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ok

white fiber
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hailing is important for getting a ships attention

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if they very clearly see you

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and have an intent to not respond

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shit id say its safe to say TSF have all the right to shoot a ship with potentially hostile intent

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not my fault the guy piloting potentially didnt think "im gonna respond to these angry military ships poinnting guns at me to prevent hostility"

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braindead activity

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but it happens so

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yeah

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take the situation as it comes

latent escarp
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Overall? Only hail if you can see IFF. Otherwise. Your usually better off just engaging

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As a rogue that's my general go too.

haughty laurel
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I was RAM, I saw the anaconda and decided I’d be polite and say hello before we started fighting, I just got Charons back

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I think it’s fine but I do get the feeling some people just want to frag first

latent escarp
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It could be that for some folks. I can say in my case it’s a safety issue.

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The longer we stay talking the more likely it’s going to be a bigger fight. The more likely you guys decide that shooting first is the best idea.

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The more likely my nerves crack first.

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Talking is risky. Fighting is risky too but if I get a good first shot. There might not be a fight.

haughty laurel
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I don’t need a whole conversation, you can just acknowledge the other person in some way

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Like if they just said “die” before blasting me that would’ve been funny

latent escarp
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Risky on a solo ship without a dedicated communications crew member.

haughty laurel
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I’m only bringing it up in this specific situation since like, I got the jump on them

latent escarp
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I can’t f maneuver and type.

haughty laurel
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I had all the time in the world to shoot them in the back

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I said “hello” on shortband

latent escarp
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Aye I know. It’s why I’m saying for some folks it might just be a murder thing.

haughty laurel
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To also let them know I’m here

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And they moved

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Turned the ship around

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And shot me

latent escarp
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Oh.
Oh no.

You goofed. You shoulda said more than just hello

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Hello is ambiguous that’s fucking terrifying when big guns are involved

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Hello could read as mocking or being cheeky. It could be probing for information, it could just be a distraction to get you on comms so you’ll be at a disadvantage.

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Since given how rules of escalation work. Whoever speaks last is at a disadvantage do to literally yet having to press and extra key and losing that moments initiative.

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It might seem like I’m reading into this shit too much but this is the actual mental math I gotta make when I’m flying alone. When I gotta spare crew are who I can dedicate to comms. Talking ain’t a risk. But alone? It’s all or nothing for me.

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And a lotta rogues fly solo for good or for Ill

haughty laurel
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I think I’m just gonna

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Shoot them in the back next time I catch a rogue vessel like that

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Everything I hear amounts to “no one wants to think about talking when combat is a possibility incase”

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Which is fair for the TDM aspect

latent escarp
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Spose that’s a fair simplification.

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For sure it’s what I reccomend. Tsf and rogues are already allowed to fight each other with no-sec as per the rules. So if your talking you gotta make sure it’s worth the risk listening.

novel finch
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What to talk about tho

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A one liner is cute I guess

haughty laurel
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Again I don’t think you need a conversation

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I just think it’s polite if one side is actively throwing you a bone by saying something

novel finch
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An ambush is an ambush

haughty laurel
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You don’t take that as your tactical opportunity to blast them

haughty laurel
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Honestly it is whatever, I don’t think any rules need to be changed

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The TDM will be what it is

latent escarp
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Way I see it. You leave comms for when the fights are dying down. Offer surrender. Fair treatment for laying down arms. Etcetera.

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I tend to go the route of I want your weapons and the ship salvage but everything else on a surrendering crew is to be kept by em.

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So they still got decent gear they just gotta get new weapons

novel finch
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Usually we just blow em up

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If they're rogues

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Surrender is neat

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But boarding is risky as fuck

nimble oar
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they're fucking terrorists

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why should we give them a chance

novel finch
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Hailed to not fight yeah sure

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But otherwise no

latent escarp
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Honestly I’m with ya. Mercy is a commodity. Not a right.

novel finch
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Rogues wordlessly ambush all the time lol

nimble oar
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still cant believe the balls on that one rogue yesterday

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flying up to FOB

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in a fucking europa

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(their biggest fucking ship)

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and saying dumbass fucking things like

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"we want to negotiate"

crystal perch
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BlobCatShrug

I mean, I'm certainly not giving them a chance anymore.

If it looks like a rogue I'm blasting it.

nimble oar
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bitch thats not how negotiations work

latent escarp
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And just because there are some rogues who aren’t war criminals doesn’t mean that it’s worth risking your neck on the chance you gotta good one.

haughty laurel
novel finch
nimble oar
novel finch
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They just wanted a body and go lol

nimble oar
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not the biggest baddest meanest warship

novel finch
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Seems silly

nimble oar
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in their fucking arsenal

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who does that

haughty laurel
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Can rogues just chill in civ ships?

nimble oar
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anyways we smoked his ass

novel finch
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You seem kind of silly lol

nimble oar
haughty laurel
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Like is that against the rules?

crystal perch
nimble oar
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and then avoid getting killed

latent escarp
haughty laurel
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Based

crystal perch
nimble oar
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because it blasts your [Rogue] signature on the IFF

latent escarp
haughty laurel
nimble oar
haughty laurel
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Still funny

nimble oar
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would you?

crystal perch
haughty laurel
nimble oar
nimble oar
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and they were hiding behind a pile of wrecks

haughty laurel
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They do but

nimble oar
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so like

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it all ended fine tho

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we cored the europa

crystal perch
nimble oar
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destroyed the vega too

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they managed to get away because fracture has no PDT but like

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eh

haughty laurel
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What’s PDT

nimble oar
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Point Defense Turrets

haughty laurel
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Ah

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Like the 20mms?

nimble oar
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yes

haughty laurel
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I’m actually curious what they’re good for

nimble oar
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shooting EVA

haughty laurel
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Besides being chip damage

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Oh right

novel finch
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Killing people

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They're very good at it

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And usually leave the victim intact too

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Unlike certain heavier armaments

nimble oar
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cyrexa my beloved

haughty laurel
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I remember being turned into a puddle of blood from a ship cannon

novel finch
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They also alongside 90mms and 57mms are very good at stripping guns off ships too

nimble oar
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5 civilians unrevivable next to FOB

novel finch
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Or overwhelming shields

nimble oar
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bro hitting that shot and seeing 5 death alarms

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was like hitting the jackpot on a slot machin

haughty laurel
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I’ve been using the fracture on TSF, but maybe I’ll try the dagger or smth

nimble oar
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holy shit bro

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the fucking dopamine hit

novel finch
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Fracture sucks so hard lol

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Its sad

nimble oar
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false

haughty laurel
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I killed that USSP cruiser with it

novel finch
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True

nimble oar
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fracture is a legionnaire but it doesn't throw in team fights

haughty laurel
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In a 1v1

nimble oar
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because it has weapons that dont lock onto teammates

novel finch
nimble oar
haughty laurel
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The fractures EMPs are huge

nimble oar
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where you keeping the radar interface

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when you got gunnery and shuttle on

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unless bro has like

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a TV for a monitor

haughty laurel
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Bro gunnery and shuttle already take up all my screen

novel finch
haughty laurel
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Besides the chat box

nimble oar
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the fracture is good

haughty laurel
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Anyways fracture is fun

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It’s just like

nimble oar
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its legionnaire but with better alpha strike potential

haughty laurel
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If you miss your volley

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Ur fucked

nimble oar
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and it doesn't suck in team fights

haughty laurel
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Fracture is better in teams

nimble oar
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your side armor can take some punishment

haughty laurel
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What side is best to shield with?

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Oh right that’s

nimble oar
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lol?

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anyways, off topic, #general

haughty laurel
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I’d rather not present my ass to the enemy

halcyon orchid
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this post got torn into bits and pieces and i am glad people agree on how the game feels and that it isnt Frontier #2 with people thinking violence doent exist.

little maple
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Looks familiar.

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@nimble oar

fossil galleon
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This did highlight one thing that the server rules lack in my opinion tho

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and it's EORG prevention

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end of round doesnt spell blow up everything after all

little maple
# crystal perch I read everything. I have to agree with people, hard rule preventing EORG is fi...

If you’re getting in trouble for killing rogues / USSP without a word as TSF, tell them to piss up a greasy rope.

You Play TSF, Rogues, And USSP For Combat. All 3 Sides Are in Conflict, Therefor No Real Escalation Required.

The larp is the fact you are in a warzone. Trying to type out a 5 sentence line on how they are “under arrest” will leave you corpsed.
TSF are marines, not cops.
Rogues are Insurgents.
USSP are soldiers.

Militants may kill one-another without having to larp it out beforehand. This keeps the conflict organic instead of a plastic hellscape of Ahelps.

little maple
fossil galleon
little maple
supple prawn
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this sucks

errant steeple
unborn pelican
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I dont super agree with this but I do think we need some rules to curb the NRP murderboning in some cases

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Like for example, rogues hard targeting civilians and murking them for no reason

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We've had several instances of a... guy™️ just sitting at MD fragging medships

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Also just seen rogues flat out warp into a random person chilling, gun them down without saying anything, then throwing their body into space and taking all their loot

nimble oar
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don't bring back the memories

nimble oar
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if we want to be lore accurate

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given they are currently in a peace treaty

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which neither side should violate Just Because

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but yeah

nimble oar
errant steeple
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Rogues should be like renegades PMC

nimble oar
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they should be more like insurgents

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(they are insurgents)

fossil galleon
true horizon
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No

little maple
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30 no

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0 yes

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0 rewrite

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1 rofling

errant steeple
haughty laurel
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i do think that rogues tdming civs for no particular reason is lame

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TSF and USSP is fair game

novel finch
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already banned

haughty laurel
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is it?

novel finch
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look at the new rules lol

haughty laurel
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i mustve missed that lmao