Completely rebalance the rogue / tsfmc balance relations.

[late siren]

What about the ship having full control and functionality despite the fuckin shuttle console being destroyed with no one on it

[daring kraken]

put two together and you have two big irons in ship form

[late siren]

Exploiters should get banned, ahelp

[daring kraken]

exactly

[icy island]

havent tried the dagger in ship combat yet but i assume it hits like a truck, but i kinda mean consistent DPS output

[daring kraken]

i did

[icy island]

90mm dakka dakka

[tawdry sentinel]

Guys guys until server replays get supported you have no grounds to support the claims

[daring kraken]

i even said their iC name and said i would post in media

[late siren]

The dagger is not 90mm

[daring kraken]

which i did

[late siren]

Its a mass cannon

[knotty atlas]

would be fun to have a ship with a spinal railcannon, but its cannon could consume so much power that it effectivley left the ship dead in the water for 40s or smth

[late siren]

And some 20mm

[knotty atlas]

not the file size......

[icy island]

i was saying that the TSF dont really have a DPS archetype like something with some 90mm dakka

[tawdry sentinel]

server replays are a NECESSARY feature

it improves the admins lifes

[late siren]

Honestly I think the tumour is the second best TSF vessel st the moment

[daring kraken]

spear kinda

[late siren]

Unironically the Tumour

[daring kraken]

no iff me go broke

[knotty atlas]

the amount of storage you would have to dedicate to replays for 12h rounds is fucking silly

[icy island]

aint that a fucking carrier

[tawdry sentinel]

it also helps you watch back when you do a insane run and not record it

[daring kraken]

kinda yeah

it suppots carrier use

[late siren]

Zephyrs are nuts

[daring kraken]

but its a big ass target

[balmy whale]

unfortunately, ship guns do not use electricity from the grid

[tawdry sentinel]

it would need a lot of remapping if they did tbh

[daring kraken]

only shields do

[knotty atlas]

could steal some of the stuff from how SMES work surley?

or like how a power sink works

[tawdry sentinel]

well to be real with you only the energy and missile artillery would require power

ballistics are ballistics

they use gunpowder

[balmy whale]

🤷‍♂️

[late siren]

Infinite magical gunpowder

[tawdry sentinel]

Shh

[daring kraken]

the charon takes like ten solid seconds to reload, that is more than enough time to disable and annihilate dagger if youre good

[knotty atlas]

well, railguns are balistic, but they dont use gunpowder

[daring kraken]

we actually harness magik

thats why guns are so hard to use and cant be made

yup

[knotty atlas]

im talking like, you fire this thing, whatever its aimed at is ruined, but you are fucked after firing it, leaving you completeley dead in the water for a while

[daring kraken]

thats the flyssa

[knotty atlas]

like consuming ALL of your power

[daring kraken]

but no

it dont do power

[tawdry sentinel]

well its a good thing they arent real

[icy island]

sounds unfun to fight and unfun to use

[daring kraken]

the flyssas OLD design had a gun that did that

[icy island]

miss shot
die
get hit
die instantly

[daring kraken]

only itjust took abit to relaod

but it literally

LITERALLY

cut ships in half

if you hit

[knotty atlas]

would be funny if instead of doing major ship damage could launch a person (or an entire squad) directly into the ship

[daring kraken]

the blessed cyrexa....

i think..

right?

guys

[icy island]

now THATS zased

[daring kraken]

what was on the flyssa nose

at one point

[balmy whale]

3 charons

[knotty atlas]

just railgun somone into the hostiles ship, with nothing more than a shovel and a bomb

[balmy whale]

maybe 2?

[daring kraken]

2 charons were out here CUTTING SHIPS IN HALF

dayum

[knotty atlas]

Flyssa has two charrons currently

at the front

[daring kraken]

it HAD

well

they prolly just

rotated them

idr

[knotty atlas]

also funny thing with the new leiognaire

its autoturrets shoot TMFSC

so your ship will kill you, more often than hostiles who get close for some reason

[daring kraken]

they always did it

[knotty atlas]

and the autoturrets only work if you stand touching them

[daring kraken]

missiles

always

auttargeted

its

so fucking

annoying

[knotty atlas]

not missiles, balistic autoturrets

ones you dont control

[daring kraken]

ahhh

thats those

yeah

you gotta be within a 30 mile raidus or they lock onto friendlies

its hella annoying

[knotty atlas]

still doesnt come close to goob's NTR re-work post

[late siren]

Missiles are great but I hate em

[knotty atlas]

missiles seem to want to hit freindlys over hostiles

since they just go for whats closer

[icy island]

i find it hard to believe any genuine productive activity is going on here

[knotty atlas]

what if, fix missiles so you select a ship, and they ONLY go for that ship, and then add even larger missile turrets

[late siren]

Easy

Already suggested even

[knotty atlas]

technicly, a thing that could direct nerf rogues, is the ability to set your target pos on FTL to any coords you want

(still same range bit, but you can just snap the ftl menu to those coords)

[late siren]

Doesnt nerf rogues

[knotty atlas]

since atm it takes so fucking long to even get to the rogue base, asuming the rogues dont FTL it away, or just store coords somewhere ooc

[daring kraken]

sounds unneccessary and basically an extra step tbh. Just click your coord you want to goto

[late siren]

Doesnt nerf rogues

[daring kraken]

why worry about it

they lose their base its fucked

dont matter if theyre there or not

[late siren]

If the coords of the base is leaked they're fucked

[knotty atlas]

I more want it from playing as TSFMC and it being a pain to FTL back to the base

[late siren]

Period

[knotty atlas]

since your often left trying to find random POI's to FTL to

[knotty atlas]

they just FTL their base usualy

[daring kraken]

do uhave the bug where u cant see coords on the map

when ur mosue is over it

i have it

ive been estimating

[knotty atlas]

no like, you can see coords, but you cant MOVE the area its looking at

[daring kraken]

every jump

[tawdry sentinel]

You cant FTL your base buddy

[daring kraken]

and ive memorized how it works

[late siren]

The rogue base is literally paperthin

No shields

[daring kraken]

they cant

that got banned

[late siren]

Easy to take out

[daring kraken]

next person to do it get a RB

[knotty atlas]

thank fuck

[tawdry sentinel]

it has no proper guns either its marauder and 20mm

[daring kraken]

rogue base shouldnt be found

[tawdry sentinel]

Looking at your mindset this is precisely why TSFMC needs a nerf

[daring kraken]

im a TSF main adn i agree with the sentiment

the entire point is its a HIDEOUT

leave them be

[tawdry sentinel]

youve had it easy so you dont need to get good you just rely on having the upper hand

[daring kraken]

let them stir

[knotty atlas]

neither base should be destroyed really

[tawdry sentinel]

no strategy no tactics you just expect to win

[daring kraken]

no they shouldnt

the issue is that

and its being worked on

[tawdry sentinel]

its not being worked on

[icy island]

i think rogues should be able to spawn alot because it makes me really sad when all the rogues get wiped in one engagement and then i latejoin and dont get to have any fun

[tawdry sentinel]

this is not a problem

the only thing happening is theyre trying to make the bases last longer so they dont get wiped 3 hours into the round

[daring kraken]

TSF should be strong enough to defend against rogues to some degree, rogues shouldnt have to worry about where their hideout is

[knotty atlas]

TSMFC base is getting wiped 2-3hrs in most shifts

[daring kraken]

your commander fucks with the slots

remind them to open some before hand

[icy island]

i need to start playing TSFMC then, love me a losing fight

[daring kraken]

its getting nerfed

[icy island]

how does that work anyway

[knotty atlas]

the TSMFC base doesnt even have a shield, its turrets consider angles where it would shoot itself perfectly fine to fire at

[daring kraken]

same as crew monitor

[tawdry sentinel]

because youer incompetent

[daring kraken]

theres little slot options

you press up on a button and it opens a slot

[icy island]

neat

[tawdry sentinel]

you dont believe that TSFMC player base is incompetent?

[daring kraken]

theres a limit to the crew

[tawdry sentinel]

I have solid proof

let me pull it up

[knotty atlas]

how does incompetency factor into it, you have a ship with small missiles, against a ship with multiple 220mm

[raw oxide]

It is a fuckin treat seeing these players who have never seen a Flyssa try to say "Yeah you could beat it by shooting this 1 specific point"

I watched an Admin spawn a Nuclear bomb and detonate it next to a Flyssa. No damage

[daring kraken]

the bases are being shielded for the first few hours of the round so it dont matter

thats coming soon

[icy island]

if TSF are losing alot now i need to hop on and acutally have fun because theres rogues to fight

[knotty atlas]

half the time ive seen flyssas theyve been wrecked

[daring kraken]

then youve been latjoining

all the times im in a flyssa i kick ass

[knotty atlas]

timezones.

[daring kraken]

i was in the last flyssa before they got removed

[tawdry sentinel]

lmaoo what a joke imagine losing to a SHIP while youre in the TSFMC base

[daring kraken]

makes sense

[tawdry sentinel]

that base has like 50 cannons on it

no ship near it will survive

what a JOKE

https://medal.tv/games/space-station-14/clips/kcC8900jzbxZgGYS6?invite=cr-MSxUcmMsMzk0ODQ5MDU3

[knotty atlas]

you cant do select all, and fire them all

[daring kraken]

"An immobile target will always lose to a moving enemy"

[knotty atlas]

the cannons consider shooting through the base a valid angle

so you have to select which turrets otherwise you blow your own docking arms off

[daring kraken]

if you can weave my shots with ease those guns dont do jack

[night veldt]

@tawdry sentinel Do you play TFSMC btw?

[daring kraken]

and weaving shots is easy it doesnt matter how 'predictive' you can be

[strong remnant]

that wasnt the case before huh

[tawdry sentinel]

https://medal.tv/games/space-station-14/clips/kbr8KgJYLUtWaNeW5?invite=cr-MSw2RTksMjkyOTQwOTkw

[tawdry sentinel]

I play both factions

[knotty atlas]

allmost all the guns (bar like 2) have certain points that it can shoot the base

[tawdry sentinel]

You need to play TSFMC to play rogue in the first place

[daring kraken]

i prefer shooting THROUGH my base to hit my target tbh

i can fix it later

[strong remnant]

just dont aim inbetween the docks?...

[daring kraken]

the guns are wedged betwen the docks

i dont understand why the did it tbh

its weird for guns to be

like

embedded

[night veldt]

probably trying to have them somewhat protected

Even though its doing more harm then good

[knotty atlas]

most of the time when we are getting raided we have ships fucking sitting at the docks, and you have to shoot through those before the turrets can shoot shit

since the docks are further out than the turrets

[daring kraken]

yeah and, those ships are scrap anyway

the rogues chewed em up on arrival

shoot thru them

no reason not to

[tawdry sentinel]

you have ships and youre not manning them while aware of a attack?

[daring kraken]

sell later

[tawdry sentinel]

See thats incompetence

this is the problem with TSFMC

[knotty atlas]

no, often they are wrecks

[tawdry sentinel]

what do you mean they are wrecks?

[knotty atlas]

that got docked, and now cant be undocked since no power, or destroyed

[night veldt]

Or they get blown to shit before you can get to them

[daring kraken]

run to a ship while its being acitvely bombardedd by a rogue that arrived ten seconds ago

the ships toast

[tawdry sentinel]

get a RCD remove the docks and push them away

[daring kraken]

and you wouldnt make past the dock

[knotty atlas]

multiple cases of a ship getting docked, getting crosfired, its now inoperable, and you cant easily remove it

[tawdry sentinel]

I can assure you the only ship with enough firepower to do that is a flyssa and well rogues dont have it unless you got it stolen

[night veldt]

Honestly having a shield on the outpost itself would already be a gamechanger so that it actually keeps both the outpost and the ships docked to it safe for a bit.

[daring kraken]

nono, the europa did it

[knotty atlas]

yea

[daring kraken]

we had like five ships sitting at docks in pieces fro mit

[tawdry sentinel]

a europa destroyed 5 ships and you couldnt get to ANY of them in time?

[daring kraken]

and we JUST got word of the europas even being on radar

[night veldt]

The europa can 100% render a ship combat-ineffective in before you can get from the fob to said ship.

[tawdry sentinel]

5 fucking ships

are you a turtle?

[daring kraken]

call it bad communication but yknow there were TWO

on BOTH sides

[tawdry sentinel]

thats 4 total cannons continously firing

sure they can disable some ships

[knotty atlas]

europa is one 220mm away from a flyssa

[daring kraken]

directly at our ships

[tawdry sentinel]

Well thats just incompetence

[knotty atlas]

we had another 5 ships shelling the europa to no fucking effect

[tawdry sentinel]

to no fucking effect

have you tried using real artillery guns

something that isnt 20mm?

[knotty atlas]

either blocked or destroyed, im pretty sure in the round this happened rogues had raided fob allready, and taken out the gunnery console if i remember right

[daring kraken]

you cant expect 7 different people to know the exact plan when shit hits the fan for one, TSF is always uncoordinated as shit. We did do good last shift i played before the exploiters fucked our shit up

[tawdry sentinel]

Thats YOUR entire JOB

[rapid portal]

Holy fucking shit 1k messages

[knotty atlas]

Rogues seems to be metacomming central, TSFMC has far less of metacomms

[tawdry sentinel]

making sure the 7 people are COMMUNICATING and COOPERATING

[daring kraken]

and we DID WELL leading up to THAT MOMENT

[tawdry sentinel]

did you?

[tawdry sentinel]

you were clearly caught with your pants down

no one was protecting the ship

you got your FOB exposed

[daring kraken]

i had no fucking idea two europas were hitting the base till i felt the shockwave

[knotty atlas]

by an unintentioanl thing thats not even meant to happen

[daring kraken]

i told everyone to scramble

[tawdry sentinel]

by what

[knotty atlas]

trackers arent meant to calll out over med radio for TSMFC, but they still do

[daring kraken]

and its not like i can stop what im doing and get everyone to listen while im actively attempting to man a ship

its just no possible

[tawdry sentinel]

someone went critical on the FOB

[knotty atlas]

think it was either a prisoner or the DOC, cant remember which

[tawdry sentinel]

guys...incompetence is incompetence... this isnt a game balance thing nor is it a game mechanic thing past a bug or two

[daring kraken]

prisoner, regardless, FOB was leaked from the getgo

i dont remember why

we even prepped for the siege

we would have one like i said

[tawdry sentinel]

Lets be realistic if players actually knew what they were doing they wouldnt get wiped 3 hours into the round

what was your colonel doing at the time?

[daring kraken]

if we hadnt been attacked by exploits

[knotty atlas]

could just remove the "near {poi}" bit from trackers so its slightly less of a dead giveaway

[daring kraken]

dude

were you on the fucking ship

in the FOB

[knotty atlas]

their job?, they were organising people the best they could

[daring kraken]

were you even aware it was happening and how it happened

i mean i posted in media

[knotty atlas]

it was such a shitshow that admins force restarted it

[daring kraken]

the ship literally had no functionality and continued assaulting the FOB

[tawdry sentinel]

Well I can tell you this

[knotty atlas]

since it left so much destroyed

[daring kraken]

shooting it did NOTHING

[tawdry sentinel]

if there was NO TSFMC players the outpost would last 12 hours of the round 95 percent of all rounds

[daring kraken]

we lost four out of the five ships with one docked during the fight

we scrambled pretty fucking ell

well even

dont you think

[knotty atlas]

yes, since bugs like trackers and cryopods wouldnt happen

but also all civies would be fucked over by rouges just raiding them repeatedly

[daring kraken]

well if we still had a FOB IFF then it would be a different story

cant say the same for rogues since they never have an IFF

guys easy fix

[tawdry sentinel]

Ive seen mercenaries group up and beat rogues

[knotty atlas]

ive seen rogues raid a civ ship back to back, less than a min apart from each other, with the rouges taking litteraly everything from the civ ship leaving it unable to do its job

[daring kraken]

dont install med implants as TSF

[tawdry sentinel]

mercenaries bro

[daring kraken]

its the reason you get called out by med

[tawdry sentinel]

mercenaries dont even have proper ships with artillery

[rapid portal]

I honestly don't know why you all Continue to talk about fob being raided. The way to fix this is so fucking simple lmfao. Just add a timer until rogue can attack fob or the other way around. Simple as

[tawdry sentinel]

Well that stupid

[rapid portal]

How

[daring kraken]

which is being implemented

[tawdry sentinel]

are you telling me that this playerbase sucks at the game so much they need to add a rule just so they can stay alive?

[daring kraken]

they already said they planned to do smth like it

[tawdry sentinel]

is that really what its come down to?

[knotty atlas]

Just make FOB/ Rogue base the same as CO rules wise

[rapid portal]

Literally yes

[knotty atlas]

no intentioanly crippling it

[tawdry sentinel]

they cant stay alive without a rule saying "DONT KILL MARINE PLAYERS THEY SUCK ASS!!"

"INCAPABLE OF SELF DEFENSE!"

[rapid portal]

It goes both ways scyron

[tawdry sentinel]

it does

[knotty atlas]

rougues also shell the FOB when its one marine vs 5 rouges

[daring kraken]

are you telling me you arent willing to fix the issues that you keep saying we suck at playing around?

[tawdry sentinel]

Ive seen same happen to hideout

the issue is a BUG

[knotty atlas]

the fuck you expect ONE TSFMC to do against 5 rogues

[tawdry sentinel]

fix the tracker going off on TSFMC outpost

Dont add a fucking rule

thats fucking stupid

[daring kraken]

then PR it

quit saying you have answers and shephard us to nothing

make a suggestion

a bounty

literally anything

[tawdry sentinel]

I can code it myself

[daring kraken]

then ask if you can assist in it and if theyd agree

idfk

[tawdry sentinel]

Buddy the argument here is that you want to add a rule instead of fixing a bug

[daring kraken]

anything but yap abt how everyone has a skill issue

[tawdry sentinel]

you do

[rapid portal]

Dude, I once spawned in as a rogue at round start, bought a Kessler. And the other rogue must've turned on the emergency broadcast, a fucking flyssa arrives and it was the end for rogues for 12 hours. A no raid timer rule would help massively

[daring kraken]

ok? it doesntr change the fact that the issue is still relevant

[tawdry sentinel]

theres countless evidence pointing at the average TSFMC player is just incompetent

the problem is the playerbase

[daring kraken]

its not gonna just dissapear

[tawdry sentinel]

But youre denying the problem

to solve the problem you need to accept that it exists

its there and its real

[daring kraken]

ok

tell that

too

all the other

TSF players

on the server

and see if it solves

ANYTHING

[tawdry sentinel]

speaking about it isnt gonna change anything there needs to be a mechanical change

[daring kraken]

the ragebait is whats real rn

[tawdry sentinel]

more playtime limitations

for a example

[rapid portal]

Scyron Is kinda right here tsfmc players are bit in the dumb side. I only even play tsfmc when I'm high

[knotty atlas]

"incompetent" rogues often are mettacomming so you stand no chance of being nearly as organised, all of the larger TSFMC ships got gutted so no ships that stand up in a slugfest with something like the europa

[daring kraken]

and i dont see a single PR request or a single suggestion in the discord

[daring kraken]

oh fucking yes

[tawdry sentinel]

oh yes blame it on metacomm and the invisible boogey man

it was the devil!

the devil did it

[knotty atlas]

its a known fact there is groups of people that metacomm as rogues.

[daring kraken]

then metacomm as TSF

[tawdry sentinel]

and you think TSFMC doesnt because what again?

[daring kraken]

nothing stops you

[tawdry sentinel]

also buddy

[strong remnant]

the humble :f comms

[tawdry sentinel]

this servers not existed long enough for there to be metacliques

its been what? 2-3 months?

[strong remnant]

TSF got serious skill issue, thats just a fact

[rapid portal]

https://tenor.com/view/when-you-code-it-ss14-space-station-14-discord-ss13-gif-4960323584660845406

[daring kraken]

i was in an entire flyssa manned by metacomms once

its not impossible

[tawdry sentinel]

Theyre gonna form metacliques now thats also just the way things happen unless admins do something about it but not yet

[strong remnant]

and also their ship should come with anti-boarding measure like blastdoors in the docks

[daring kraken]

just make a group

hell ask in general

[daring kraken]

which one

[strong remnant]

pretty much all TSF ships should have some kind of defence against boarding

[tawdry sentinel]

why?

[daring kraken]

meh, your eyes

they are your defence

[tawdry sentinel]

literally

[daring kraken]

look at radar

more

[strong remnant]

its for their skill issue

[daring kraken]

lmao

[tawdry sentinel]

also I think everyone can agree boarding should be better for EVERYONE

the TSF should easily be able to board other ships and rogues

[daring kraken]

oh yes, i long for a fun boarding experience

[strong remnant]

remove the fucking reflects

[knotty atlas]

fix legionaire's bugs and TSFMC would be better

[tawdry sentinel]

There needs to be more boarding

[daring kraken]

i have yet to find one

[knotty atlas]

legionaire is missing shit that even civ ships have

[tawdry sentinel]

now youre starting to talk about your skill issue

[daring kraken]

leginnare is nerfed bc it used to fucking solo

its not designed to fucking solo

[knotty atlas]

you have no holopad, so no calling each other, no fax, no lights beacuse fuck your eyes (rogues have nvgs so good fucking luck winning when they board you)

[daring kraken]

its an EMP focused ship meant to compliment other ships, AND IT STILL SOLOS

[daring kraken]

you do...

[knotty atlas]

last time i checked (yesterday) it didnt

[daring kraken]

you have a holo, you have a fax, you can INSTALL lights and the only dark room is the middle hall

[daring kraken]

it does now

check ingame

[tawdry sentinel]

rogues dont have NVGs

they have thermals

not the same thing

[daring kraken]

i hate thermal id prefer NVG

it makes me feel coooler

[knotty atlas]

rogues be stealing so many R&D servers that they end up with nvg often

[daring kraken]

not rlly

i never see a rogue with NVG

but that is experience talking

[tawdry sentinel]

TSF can easily buy a RND server or a rnd server link you get like millions of funding

[daring kraken]

could be diff

[tawdry sentinel]

is rich as fuck
complains about tech

crazy

just buy it bro

[knotty atlas]

can only use that funding if you get luck to have a colonel

[daring kraken]

i paid you all last round

wait erina joined late

mb

:(

i even hunted u down to pay u

[knotty atlas]

your one of the only colonels

ive only ever seen one other person do it, and they got kidnaped so fast they never managed to do shit

[tawdry sentinel]

ahelp

[knotty atlas]

???

[daring kraken]

ahelp them to pay TSF

using the station funds

[tawdry sentinel]

the one good thing about preferring TSFMC over rogues is you get to spend money with no long term consequences

[daring kraken]

smth

[tawdry sentinel]

you wont lose money because you wont use your personal funds

[daring kraken]

the ship buyback is good af

and we get vouchers

colonel doesnt

but captain and below does

[daring kraken]

poor colonel mima tried to pay us after the flyssa fucked FOB

we had to move the shit to the legion to get the cash out

lmao

[knotty atlas]

prob best way to make money as TSFMC is making fent

with the chemaster and fuel vend you just need to kill 19 carp

to make 1mil

[nova mist]

the most major thing is i think tsfmc ships should be overall better than any rogue ship fulfilling the same niche

a tsfmc interceptor should be better than a rogue interceptor

a tsfmc brawler should be better than a rogue brawler

a tsfmc capital should be better than a rogue capital

this would actually force rogues to use guerilla tactics and act like insurgents

which is what they're supposed to be

instead of just

getting two ships and winning the first fleet fight they get into

[night veldt]

Which leads us back to the discussion this was originally instead of what it has now spiralled to, being calling people out on skill issues. Which, a solution being technically possible doesnt make it automatically a reasonable expectation of everyones abilities

[nova mist]

if we simply make tsfmc gear better to the point that rogues can still win, technically, through superior ability, that will be fine

on an equal playing field assuming equal skill levels of both sides TSFMC should win

every time

ideally rogues would warp in, deal damage, warp out to regroup and plan another attack

[night veldt]

Like we should be clearly defining what we want the TSFMC to be and what we want the Rogues to be, and balancing both of their ships and gear around that

[nova mist]

they shouldn't be getting into long lasting battles with tsfmc

their ships should not have that much durability

they should have high first strike damage potential

but crumble at return fire fairly quickly

[night veldt]

And instead they have europa's which you kinda cant touch as TSFMC without well-placed mass-driver shots from a ship that is MUCH more likely to shoot itself with that massdriver then it is to actually send the shot out.

[nova mist]

with TSFMC ships instead having balanced firepower and durability

rogue ships should ideally be able to withstand civilian grade weaponry like the 20mm without problem, but start having issues with higher calibers starting with 90mm

[night veldt]

Like idk if its just me, but when fighting those bigger rogue ships, my shields seem to melt instantly, my weapons get taken out SECONDS after, while Ive done a grand total of minor paint scratches to the enemy

[nova mist]

but in return having way stronger weapons

[nova mist]

btw shields are so shitcoded most of the time projectiles don't get deleted fast enough to protect your ship

so you still get hit

[night veldt]

I also noticed that in local build testing

[nova mist]

also like

shields just don't work

without an AME

you don't have enough power generation to sustain them

[night veldt]

And even then they dont work for very long because they are LV based.

Again, this will HOPEFULLY get better when the TSFMC gets their larger ships back

[nova mist]

on the topic of bigger ships

i don't actually think rogues should get a capital

[night veldt]

I mean, the code considers the europa to BE a capital

Which, given it has four fucking Cyrexa's, is not that much of an overstatement

Another issue with that is that those cyrexa's are nigh-invulnerable to weapons fire

@tawdry sentinel If you have so much experience with the game, tell me this: How is the FOB supposed to stand up to an attack from multiple europas with 4 cyrexa's that are borderline impossible to destroy, while their own weapons get shredded off near-instantly.

This is a genuine question: If TSFMC players have such a skill issue, what would you suggest they do to get better.

[lime iris]

Just destroy rogue base faster or start boarding and graping

[knotty atlas]

really hard to do considering rogues dont store the base coords IC anymore

[lime iris]

And also make slots fixed for factions aside from CO, Hullrot got it a long time ago, no more tarded 200 gorillion gorlex infanteers on freeport

[knotty atlas]

due to cryosleep this is a bad idea, but the max ammount of slots you can have atm using station records is 10 per job

[lime iris]

Interrogate them through larp, if they genuinely dont remember I sort of wish they would be blacklisted from olaying rogues

Like i am sorry chuddie, your char should fucking know where the fuck he resupplies

[lime iris]

Is it doe, just make people going into cryo open up the slot back

[knotty atlas]

they allways instantly cata seemingly

[lime iris]

Isnt that punishable

[knotty atlas]

nope...

both TSMFC and rogues do it lots

[lime iris]

I remember when some thugs would do that they would get banned

At least on rot

[knotty atlas]

litteraly die -> respawn -> kill somone -> die

[lime iris]

Lmao

[knotty atlas]

TSMFC does it less since they try to retreive bodies more

but rogues love going cata since they hate being made to do interogations or sitting in a cell for a bit

[night veldt]

They have better melee weapons, they have armors that have 5% slowdown while still providing better resistances then your 10% slowdown patrol suits

[lime iris]

Erm… stun meta?

Lol

If what you say is true you can get a disabler smg and just withstand their bullets until they drop down and you can finish the job with a lector

Since you will basically outlive them before they drop down

[knotty atlas]

not really, both TSFMC and rogue armor has insane stun resist

i think its 7-8 baton hits to stamcrit them, but its only 5 swings from a HF blade to kill you

[lime iris]

Bro who added stam resists lmaoooo

Does the heat res at least low

Since you have oulse lasers you can just get more hits in

[night veldt]

Their veins will also be full of passive-healing chems

[night veldt]

Pulse weapons are both expensive and take ages to recharge, and IIRC the heat res is also fairly high

Like I dont think your only option should be a 20 FUC pulse carbine thats locked to prolly only the colonel

[knotty atlas]

75% on TMFSC armor

prob around the same on rogue

so an entire mag of pulse carbine does around 218 damage

[night veldt]

Also I just realised something and just

wtf

[knotty atlas]

and you need 3 mins to recharge

[night veldt]

the patrol tacsuits actually get slower for higher ranks

Colonels patrol suit is 10% while gold is 5%

[raw oxide]

This is a whole lot of yap just to say "Playing rogue should suck ass"

At that point why even play rogue

Hell, just give the TSF the base coords at roundstart and let them just blow up the rogues. You already said they're irrelevant to a round anyway

[night veldt]

I dont think EITHER team should be able to wipe eachother out that easily.

[lime iris]

They are expensive mostly because they have like 40 shots before you need to charge them and do 35 damage per shit

So you get a lot out if them

[night veldt]

Pulse pistol is 10 shots at 2 per second

Carbine is 25 shots at 3 per second

The pulse RIFLE has 400 shots at 1.5 per second, but its not obtainable

[lime iris]

Ic

Still the carbine is really good, i think if there was a bigger weakness to heat damage for rogues while they are better at tanking guns and being fast it would be a good tradeoff

[night veldt]

The carbine also costs 20 fucs

[knotty atlas]

25 shots

you can only just kill someone with it

[storm venture]

Give both factions more coins

Likeee

I don't want to grind for gear like on frontier

[raw oxide]

It's infinitely easier to get tokens as a marine than it is as a rogue

[lime iris]

Ok and, just make it easier to get for everyone, we need more chaos

[raw oxide]

What I don't get is how people can still bitch about Rogues when they have, worse ships, worse gear now, and have to hide from the entire sector, and to get tokens you need to rob vessels which NOW all have marines on speed dial

New PR for melee makes the Marine katana have 45% reflect

[distant tulip]

get aids

[knotty atlas]

why the fuck they do that, just nerf the reflect on the rogue one to 35%, and leave marine one at its current stats

[raw oxide]

The Rogue HF blade damage is getting buffed along with most melee weapons, but if you have the marine one at 45 fucking percent reflect it becomes "Have melee or kill youself when you shoot him"

[distant tulip]

i agree with koktober

just make it all balanced around the same level

combat armours roughly the same

weapons roughly the same

with unique quirks to make them stand out

it feels like aids and nuclear14 with how strong some shit is here

[raw oxide]

What I don't like is the extreme amounts of bias

[distant tulip]

yeah the respawn timer is 500 seconds or something why the fuck make the cops so much stronger

[lime iris]

If i am being real the game is biased towards rogues and tsf when are the contractors and mercs gonna rise up

[distant tulip]

cross wanna play today?

i'm not busy or nuttin

[raw oxide]

The last updates to the Rogues arsenal have been ships that got removed

[lime iris]

All of this faction bullshiet and mercs gotta grind expeds to get gear two times worse

[gentle aurora]

I think people overestimate TSFMC power

[distant tulip]

just like that never trust a soul

[lime iris]

Stop nutting thug, but i dont know if I will be available, i am on vacation on creta rn

[raw oxide]

Noob name the last buff the rogues got that I didn't pay for

[gentle aurora]

I agree here

[distant tulip]

oh enjoy bro

[gentle aurora]

One sec

[raw oxide]

And didn't get removed with the ship rework

[lime iris]

Thugs having 80% res with 5% slowdown or 10% slowdown like bro what the fuck is this balancing

[lime iris]

Thanks my bigga

[distant tulip]

@narrow laurel fix the game gang

this isn't clash royale

[lime iris]

These nobodies thinking one side is broken when the whole boarding game is fundamentally dogshit

[gentle aurora]

Do Viper hardsuits count?

They we're nerfed though

[raw oxide]

I'd say viper suits are a sidegrade

So beside the viper suits, when is the last time ANYTHING got added to Rogue

that I wasn't responsible for adding

[lime iris]

Thug what do you even want to have

You have the best boarding gear to just jetpack and grape people with

[raw oxide]

You can't jetpack you die if you do

[distant tulip]

can we remove everything and add hullrot weapons and armours

[lime iris]

????

These thugs….

[distant tulip]

i would appreciate that

[lime iris]

He’s trueing

He’s using 100% of his brain

[gentle aurora]

Uhhh

[raw oxide]

Using jetpacks shows you on the IFF console, which means you get shot by the 20mms

[gentle aurora]

Someone added borg modules to Rogues

But also added that to TSFMC

[raw oxide]

I paid for that

[distant tulip]

so faking useful

*clappes

[raw oxide]

I bountied Kira for them

[gentle aurora]

And it's 10 DB

[lime iris]

The same gunnery console that has the lag ping of a cs 1.6 server

[gentle aurora]

Then it's only me buffing rogues

[lime iris]

I could just jetpack over to a ship in a nanosecond and the guy would miss everything

[gentle aurora]

And starch remaking bounties

[raw oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/ness-end-this-suffering-mother2earthbound-super-smash-bros-gif-25870136

[true forge]

hello sir....

[distant tulip]

on the offchance he doesn't you die instantly

[distant tulip]

get eides

please!

[raw oxide]

So I rest my case. Rogues never get buffs naturally

[true forge]

the "better melee weapons" is a slightly better katana aswell

[raw oxide]

Only Marines do

[true forge]

please xir!

[lime iris]

Did you get shot down by that

[gentle aurora]

The reflect meta

[distant tulip]

i played as fang yuan once and shot random coppers until they fucked me wirh an emp

[gentle aurora]

It's been nerfed

[distant tulip]

and i gor shot jetpacking away

[distant tulip]

HULLROT KHOPESHES ALL OVA AGAIN

RESPEKT 💯

[lime iris]

The fire extinguisher meta is gonna be real my thug…..

Kheh….

[raw oxide]

Btw I think the complete abandonment of the rogues is cause they're adding the dssp

Space commies

[gentle aurora]

USSP

United Socialist Solar Planets if i'm correct

Union of Soviet Socialist Plants actually

And as I said... People overestimate TSFM power

[tawdry sentinel]

flyssa

legionnaire

use a ship

actually have someone at the ships or checking the mass scanner regularly so you spot enemies

dont expose your base location

Really theres a lot of solutions to this problem

[knotty atlas]

why you keep mentioning flyssa, its removed

[tawdry sentinel]

because its temporary

theyre gonna add a main battleship just like it

Maybe remap the flyssa and just add it back

[knotty atlas]

that would be good enough imo

[tawdry sentinel]

I know they will because the developpers are already giving TSFMC better ships in general

thats their goal for TSFMC

ship balance wise

[knotty atlas]

(i still want FOB to be a carrier rather than a station, because carriers are objectivley cooler)

[tawdry sentinel]

theyll add carriers

they just wont change FOB

[shut fractal]

er

when are we getting more MRP

with this whole rebalancing thing

[tawdry sentinel]

when you stop asking for buffs and start roleplaying instead of discord warrioring

[night veldt]

Im confused why we are buffing melee’s when they are as oppressive as they are

[late siren]

Change nothing

Change your approach

That's my opinion.

Total skill issue

[night veldt]

Btw, why do the HF weapons deal shock?

[shut fractal]

im not asking

for buffs!!

i wanna rp but servers b gone

[raw oxide]

The HF weapons deal shock because that's what starch added. Technically it works lore wise for the weapon cause "High Frequency" blades can cut through anything pretty much

So they deal shock true damage

[night veldt]

Doesnt feel ideal balance wise though

[late siren]

I dunno

You beat the guy if you aren't in melee range or have backup

Fuck

Stop malding

[night veldt]

Hyperzine + healing chems and you cant stop them

[late siren]

You are malding

Thats just not true

[night veldt]

Primarily commenting on what ive seen observing

[late siren]

Play the game

[night veldt]

Have also done that, result doesnt change

[late siren]

People will figure it out eventually

[night veldt]

They force melee, you cant do much to stop it

[late siren]

Well, you could have melee yourself for one

The other is use a shotgun

[night veldt]

That is an option ive been looking into

[raw oxide]

You don't beat the guy cause he reflects 35% of ranged shots back at yoh

And if he gets in melee range you die in 3 hits

[late siren]

Im pretty sure the c20r out dpses the katana

[raw oxide]

Reflect

[late siren]

It 20 slash and 6 shock

15 damage per hit against like 55% armor

[raw oxide]

My point still stands, the only way to fight the HF katana is in melee

And it has an edge over other weapons

Which would be fine

IF EVERY FUCKING MARINE DIDN'T STEAL THEM

[late siren]

Not really

[raw oxide]

Without fail you will always find marines using illegal contraband because it's meta to use with their armor

[late siren]

From my calcs 35% reflect plus 45% pierce armor is like, only 280 effective hp

Similar to combat tacsuit levels of durability, 18 .35 shots to kill

The c20r bursts in 3 seconds

[raw oxide]

You didn't take into account the roughly 80 dps you're reflecting back into yourself when you shoot at a katana wielder, so you do die in 3 hits + all the reflect

When the server restarts you wanna test this?

Science time

[late siren]

Cant

Sorry

But with the changes to reflect chance not stacking I'd wait and see

Also

Only like half the reflects generally hit you

Especially if you are farther away

[night veldt]

Which you arent

[late siren]

Well like, you could be

Maybe throw some explosive nades at the guy

[night veldt]

Rogue armor is faster overall even without hyperzine, rogues will close the gap

[late siren]

And dont be solo but that was a given

[late siren]

Untrue

Patrol suits are 5% slowdown too

And literally 2 fucs

[night veldt]

None of the 5% suits stand a chance against the rogue suits

[late siren]

They are on par with rogue suits

Stat wise

If you take a low mobility suit and get rushed down by melee thats a you issue

I've started never taking the combat tacsuit

It is a waste of fucs

[night veldt]

I do agree on that

[late siren]

Mobility is king and their only good weapon is a fucking katana

And the c20r but no one uses that

[night veldt]

Which if we know that, why arent we reducing the shock damage on that katana or adding shock resist to combat suits to make it so more options become able to compete

[late siren]

Because its ap damage

Its barely any extra damage in the first place

[night veldt]

No when you get into the solid armors its the bulk of your dps output

[late siren]

Because just cause the rogues got one item better than the marines doesn't mean you need to whine about it

It costs 15 DB

The marines one is 10 fuc

They arent meant to be on par

One is strictly more expensive

You can buy an annie if you wanted

Or a sword and shield loadout

Get a ton more fucs than the rogues easily via contra

Or dead drop duty

[night veldt]

Cant do that when fob is under attack 24/7

[late siren]

Give em to others in need

[night veldt]

Honestly a mobile fob carrier would go a long way since then the attacks wouldnt be as frequent

[late siren]

Just don't leak fob I guess

Not really your fault but still

The nrp rogue instant hyperwar on fob is pretty lame

Both sides seem to want to do their best to eliminate the other out of the game as fast as possible and with no roleplay

[night veldt]

Agreed

[late siren]

Marines do it too

You arent innocent

[night veldt]

Imo those bases need to be stronger, for both sides

High-end shields, maybe even a way to relocate as mentioned

[tawdry sentinel]

Thats the point of it

thats why the reflection mechanic exists

to make melee viable against guns

[late siren]

Yes

[night veldt]

But then that same weapon also needs ap damage?

[knotty atlas]

its kinda a cycle, somone wants to be the good guy and to try to do RP, but just gets shot to death by murderboners, (for example, i was doing a trade with the rogues to swap our dead, and one random rogue just appears and starts shelling my ship, dispite the rest of the rogues agreeing to the body trade)

[late siren]

Dont fight alone

[tawdry sentinel]

just use a melee weapon

[knotty atlas]

fighting alone is fine, just eat combat medipens like theres no tommorow

[tawdry sentinel]

it works just fine

[late siren]

No, its not. Never go alone unless you have no choice.

Cooperate with your fellow TSF/rogue

Its best for everyone, you, and the game

[tawdry sentinel]

fighting alone is fine if you have 3k hours in the game and know what youre doing

[knotty atlas]

yeah, dont do it unless you need to, but as a last resort combat medipens can allow you to win fights on your own

[late siren]

Unless they have em too

[tawdry sentinel]

if not then if you fight alone theres too many things that can go wrong and theres no going back

[late siren]

Or actual coordination

Or a partner

That is good

Like me!

[tawdry sentinel]

youre the sole reason they should remove legionnaires

[late siren]

I've killed many of rogue who didnt expect there to be one extra marine surviving

[late siren]

Just go full hyperwar and ram the enemt ship, Mima style

[tawdry sentinel]

literally whenever I see you youre on a legionnaire

[late siren]

Me?

[tawdry sentinel]

yeah

snowths

the lisp fella

[late siren]

Mima was Snowths's mentor

Legionnaire lover

I picked up on the hype almost instantly

[nova mist]

playing rogues should be a biblically accurate guerilla warfare experience imo

if you go in for a direct confrontation you die

i'd play the fuck out of that btw

[tawdry sentinel]

Guerilla warfare doesnt work in this theme

[late siren]

I think we all agree

It does

Absolutely

[tawdry sentinel]

explain guerilla warfare

[late siren]

Ive been Guerilla warfared by brutal tactics by Carry before

[nova mist]

it does tho

[tawdry sentinel]

explain your definition

its clearly a misguided definition but Ill still indulge into it explain to me what tactics you believe to be guerilla warfare

[late siren]

Ambushes, false flag attacks, attack the enemy with their guard down, keep the enemy on a constant state of alert until they break

Attack their supply lines

[tawdry sentinel]

Theres no supply lines

[late siren]

The civilians, bait in reinforcements

[nova mist]

hit and run tactics, baiting your opponent into ambushes, leading them where you want them to be before attacking, not being an idiot who launches a head on assault against the enemy capital fleet

[lofty gorge]

1771 messages but ima just slide this in here to reply to the first few messages about fob raids https://discord.com/channels/1329292619834069034/1369412381909712956

[late siren]

Find fob and launch missiles at it while destroying the nt vault

Then jump away

[tawdry sentinel]

didnt you just say this?

[late siren]

Well no

[tawdry sentinel]

you didnt say it?

[late siren]

The intent is to be a distraction

Challenge their coordination abilities to a fight, rather than their ships

Something, more in depth than going for a total marine kill

[tawdry sentinel]

gnarly to be frank with you unless the TSFMC team is braindead(they usually are but I think thats gonna change eventually) theyre not going to leave the FOB unattended

[night veldt]

Its not a raid, its baiting them back so your friends can strike elsewhere

[late siren]

Happens all the time

[late siren]

Exactly

[tawdry sentinel]

Because theyre bad at their jobs its not a good argument

[nova mist]

yes im gonna look a man dead in the eye as colonel and say "i'm picking you for the cuck chair duty, you don't get to have fun today"

[late siren]

This is the real reason fob coords are secretive

[nova mist]

[tawdry sentinel]

any competent colonel would know better not to do that

[nova mist]

"you will sit your ass here on the gunnery console and watch other people play the game"

[late siren]

So the one guy calls for help

And then

All the panicked marines rush over to fob

[tawdry sentinel]

Gnarly

let me help you visualize this

ok?

[late siren]

You ftl'd out before they got there

Of course

Then you go back

Over, and over, and over again

Like a brick wall you throw rocks at it until they give up

[tawdry sentinel]

Think of a military operation for unknown reasons theyve established a FOB in a disstabilized region

They have all their ammunition gear equipment and vehicles in the FOB

And they just up and leeave

[late siren]

You can run, bait their bloodlust into getting horribly murderized

[tawdry sentinel]

and levae nobody behind on duty

That just doesnt work youll just get shot the fuck down like a dog

[raw oxide]

Sounds like free shit to me

[late siren]

Maybe but if you got the first strike and do hit and run you can legit just bomb their ships in dock

[tawdry sentinel]

Thats precisely why it never happens

[late siren]

Then run

FTL is nuts

FTL plus IFF off is a total manuever advantage

[tawdry sentinel]

FTL doesnt work near other ships now

[raw oxide]

Hit runs don't work when your ship loses power/half of all it's weapons after you attack once

[late siren]

You are sieging with an artillery ship

[tawdry sentinel]

literally

[late siren]

You dont need to be near

[nova mist]

its only 100 meters

its quite close ranged

[tawdry sentinel]

bro you try hitting and running on me Ill come up your ass so fast and blow you the fuck up you wont know what hit you

lets be real

[late siren]

I mean, the TSF ships suffer the same problem lol

Which just means you get to strip their weapons

[tawdry sentinel]

artillery ships are support ships theyre not practical theyre not usable alone

[late siren]

Untrue

[tawdry sentinel]

its true as fuck

theyre bulky

theyre slow

[late siren]

Artillery plus mobility is nuts

FTL

[tawdry sentinel]

artillery plus mobility doesnt exist my man

[late siren]

Hell fuck it, I'll go and do it myslef

[tawdry sentinel]

Do it

[late siren]

Show you how nuts hit and run and guerilla tactics are

[nova mist]

btw do NOT try to use missiles as support weapons

you'll just kill your friends

[late siren]

True

[raw oxide]

Bear just added fucking Turbolasers

So get ready for all ships to get shredded in a single volley

[late siren]

Lasers dont have good range

But yeaj

Im hyped

[raw oxide]

Turbolasers aren't lasers persay

It's more like the plasma cannons we have already

Fires big bolts of plasma

[late siren]

Mhm

Anyways, people tend to overreact and suggest big overcorrections

This game doesn't tend to need big balance corrections, not without substantial thought

Anyways

[night veldt]

Whatll they be on?

[raw oxide]

Don't know.

Just know that Bear is putting them in soon ™️

If I had to guess

It might be the new USSP stuff

but if it is

that would make 0 sense

Cause why would a bunch of commies have advanced weapons

Their ships should be nothing but bolt action rifles being fired out of windows while the interior grows potatoes

[late siren]

Oh I just realized

A disabler smg + shield + baton is a hard counter to the katana

[raw oxide]

It's not.

[late siren]

Outside hyperzine

[raw oxide]

80% stun resist

[late siren]

Its not as bad as it seems

[strong remnant]

pretty sure SMG disabler doesnt do much at all

i tried magdumping it on a sword user once

[raw oxide]

Every armor set has stupid high stamina resist

[late siren]

They're weaker weapons, but you dont take damage on reflect

[late siren]

Oh yeah it should be nerfed to hell lol

[raw oxide]

AND the katana deflects stun bolts too

[strong remnant]

instead you stunt yourself

[raw oxide]

Literally this

[late siren]

You have 80% stun resist too yho

[raw oxide]

If you shoot a katana user with a disabler SMG all you have done is stun yourself slightly while he stabs you to death

I want the Rogue HF blade to have an ID lock on it like the actual Murasama

Mechanically make it work like the cultist knife "You aren't worthy to use it"

[strong remnant]

nuke reflects
buff damage
speed boost while using it

[raw oxide]

Parry the nuke

https://tenor.com/view/va-proxy-nuke-parry-nuke-parry-gif-5175806282231122199

[strong remnant]

just make the katana reflect only when it wide swing

passive reflects are ass

[tawdry sentinel]

dumb

[nova mist]

no no let him cook

ultrakill in this bitch

[late siren]

I will be happy once stunmeta is unnerfed

[nova mist]

tbh true i think stuns should be a viable alternative to lethal weapons

not way stronger but not abysmally dogshit either

[raw oxide]

Marines fw I railcoin their ship

https://tenor.com/view/ai-cursed-cursed-memes-hamster-meme-hamster-scream-gif-2348312434243033211

[gentle aurora]

They did rebel against TSF

Maybe the have some of their tech

[late siren]

The stereotype that space russia must be an underdeveloped hellhole using guns 500 years out date never ends

[raw oxide]

When you're using a government system that is basically a starvation speedrun, it doesn't really have time to develop technology

[late siren]

The stereotype that communism is an unworkable system and cannot be improved on or fixed or done right or even work at all see any tyrant ever

[raw oxide]

https://youtu.be/t_DljQZlWUg?si=fe6E0FO5OJ80_AUp
It'll work this time guys- I SWEAR

[lime iris]

Oh god we got commies here

[late siren]

No I think ascribing politics to space game is dumb

That is funny tho cause

Back in the tg days you'd literally buy mosins

In cargo

Shipped straight from space russia, 500 years out of date

They were basically 60 damage bolt action rifles

Smh

[raw oxide]

Rogue - Marine peace achieved.
Now we team up to beat up socialists

[late siren]

They tended to jam tho

Yes

[raw oxide]

I will GLADLY offer terms of peace to Marines

As long as we make Reds dead

[late siren]

Did you play rot?

I come from goob, and used to play ss13

[raw oxide]

Goob, ss13

[late siren]

Ah

Youd probably fit right in with the rotters

Anyways

[raw oxide]

I don't have to be from Hullrot to know that the only good communist is a dead one

[late siren]

We now have Space USA military, space Terrorists straight out of fucking metal gear ft. Sam, and now Space Russians.

And the Syndicate I guess

[raw oxide]

Desperados

https://tenor.com/view/good-old-days-sundowner-sundowner-mgr-mgr-metal-gear-rising-gif-25009322

[late siren]

You could make a metal gear rising game out of monolith

[raw oxide]

I am trying

[late siren]

We gotta cook up some PMC operations

Some bounty hunting to murder some nerds

And an actual economy to influence

[gentle aurora]

Hell yeah, comrade

[daring kraken]

Guys its been a new day and the entire thread has gone full circle

Isnt nature beautiful

[shut fractal]

what

how did it go full circle

[late siren]

I want rogues to be dashing and smart but I also want there to be cool battles

[daring kraken]

You just had to be up there in the logs man

[raven moon]

Rotters have the ncwl

[daring kraken]

Its literally been going on all nigbt and the chat has rotated right back to the original discussion

Its crazy

[shut fractal]

SMH

JUST completely rebalance them already

we do not need 2k messages to rebalance them..

[late siren]

When you code it

[daring kraken]

Yup

Ark is, as claimed, one man

He cant do it all

At least super fast

Your best bet is make peace with what we have and later on see if it changes into what you want

[gentle aurora]

yes

[daring kraken]

The entire servers in its baby phasr

[gentle aurora]

we need 10k messages

[daring kraken]

Yeah i like reading debates

And that says alot i hate p*litics

[late siren]

I like debating

This server is exciting, watching a baby take its first steps into the swimming pool

(Its a ship)

[gentle aurora]

Watching a guy take his first steps and crash into an asteroid instantly after buying a shuttle

[balmy whale]

Ark is actually 5 people

[gentle aurora]

5 people and 1 alien

[balmy whale]

The 'p' in Ark stands for person, while the 'a' stands for alien

[late siren]

Ark is a game company

[shut fractal]

after playing rogue

i can agree

MAYBE

make rogues NOT

be able to tear TFS ships in half