TSF CAN DO IT WHY CANT ROGUES
PLEASE IM IN DEBT AND DONT WANT TO PLAY TSF OR CIVVIE
#DB - Spesos
unreal thorn
abstract onyx
Also honestly given How expensive rogue items are. And how few DBs you can for a good number of bounties..
Like being able to at least get some cash would be kinda nice
amber hull
steal or be stolen from
unreal thorn
no but seriously all the uplink items are extremely overpriced
SO so overpriced
this'd also make rogue a way to make money
TSF can make money from stealing rogue gear
abstract onyx
Even at the cheap end
One fuc gets you an Omni shot
You need 2 DBs for every stim you got as rogues.
And getting DBs is just harder as rogues.
Like damn.
The Marines get pay. They get FUCs which can pay
There gear is cheaper and more reliable to aquire
They got better ships.
Shit there not even that much worse off in the ground fight.
Like don't get me wrong. I'm all game for having the odds stacked against rogues, makes it interesting!but a little kick back would be nice.
swift egret
Rogues even get outnumbered a lot too
Only good thing is the hf sword but the marines also has their own version
abstract onyx
Honestly that sword is kinda mandatory as well
Without it. You often dont have enough durability in a fight
Like take the one v one I had against that oni last night
I frankly. Had a draw. Because my objective was just depositing my cash and while I'm accomplished that I had to buy time to do so.
That oni had better armor. More reflection with whatever shield they had. Seemingly more meds. And a fucking plasma gun.
I had to burn through a whisper and 3 mags. 2 hyper. Omni. Bruizine and punct stimms. And all of that mostly just bought me time. And this wasn't even late round either. It was 4 hours in
I didn't even buy my armor I had to loot some jackal armor too
And again I'm okay with the odds being against us. Vut we should at least get the cash to support Mercs we hire.
Or y'know. Make some money
swift egret
Money, well there's always fent making
But doublons are so hard to get compared to FUC
abstract onyx
Except.. we don't start with the means to make fent...
Like you have to go outa your way to get those supplies and materials
At maybe it's just me. But making fent took me a while with all the materials.
Id prolly be better off just salvaging
fringe onyx
Even at the cheap end
One fuc gets you an Omni shot
You need 2 DBs for every ...
Marines have tumor (never used), dagger (litteraly one wall between space and the cockpit, you can practicly oneshot it), legionaire (the EMPs on it are buggy at best, and its armor got heavily nerfed), and uh the spear, which i only see wrecked spears
Rogues have armor thats like 5% weaker, but have a sword with 40% reflect (the TSFMC sword is only 35%), which means 40% of the time the bullets dont hit them, instead hitting their oponent
all the rogue ships have more armor, and better weapons on average (no one charon on a shittly armored TSFMC ship does NOT EQUAL 4 220mm GUNS)
abstract onyx
you can get all your tools FAR more easily. you get paid. which means you get access to more ships more often and you can still take that larger vessel out with good fire and effective usage of EMPs. you have a better frigate navy than we do. flatly put. its just your pilots do not know what theya re doing half the time.
again. im fine with the pretty blatant Disadvantages. thats okay.
but just being able to get some cash would be nice.
like note.
fringe onyx
you guys have a cargo sale console at your outpost?
abstract onyx
and a 30% tax on all deposits..
do you.. like.
have you never played rogue before?
fringe onyx
and a 30% tax on all deposits..
you can desposit at other places too?
abstract onyx
you can desposit at other places too?
gonna dodge the question?
fringe onyx
gonna dodge the question?
ive done merc before with full rogue gear, using the rogue base, it was really simple, you just sell shit at rogue base for db etc, then go to another place to deposit the money
you have ships, and dont need to worry about ship combat since your ships are stronger, use them
abstract onyx
thats not the same.
and no they arent. our pilots are better. Ton for Ton the legionare blows the tethys and Vega outa the water with better armor and better guns.
fringe onyx
you can just fly to deposit at places like the TO
and legionaire got nerfed, its armor is a lot worse now
abstract onyx
sure. but thats still not the issue.
like all this is ancillary.
like the TSF can make bank during the round. so can everyone else.
rogues only make money when they stop doing Rogue activies.
fringe onyx
30% deposit isnt that much of an issue when you are making millions anyway, TSFMC has the 5k in their store , but often will only get 50k total since its hell to get rogue contra without dying
abstract onyx
mate. there aint a single rogue making millions.
fringe onyx
mate. there aint a single rogue making millions.
there is lol, fent exists
abstract onyx
theres prolly rogues who have millions
fent is 3k each.
and its 6 DBs to get the Vestine for it.
and you still have to pilfer the chems.
its actually easier. and more profitable to do fent as a contracter.
fringe onyx
you really dont need vestine, the only difference is you need to kill a few carp for the other recipe
abstract onyx
we also dont start with any tools for chemistry.
like ill take a chemistry ship for Rogues. that would be sick.
but the point stands. its easier to do it as a contracter or a merc.
fringe onyx
only thing you will need to find extra of is carbon, welding fuel you have, and carpotoxin is a few wrecks
abstract onyx
you still need the chem master.
which we dont get access too easily.
least ive never seen them in salvage.
fringe onyx
easier as a contractor isnt entierly true, you guys can just rob people for the chems
its really easy to get a chemmaster
fading blaze
yknow cant take you serious when rogues say "killing people all day and night is cutting into our profits" then dont
fringe onyx
there is ones on the med dispatch
fading blaze
most rogues just buy CO shipyard ships
fringe onyx
i litteraly spectated rogues taking the one from med dispatch to make loads of fent
fading blaze
if they dont like their own collection
abstract onyx
mate. im carry. i generally try to not kill folks.
biggest issue is the fact that theres limited bounties. and competition around a small number of bounties. which heavily restricts resources available.
fringe onyx
99% of rogues do, oscar is the only one ive seen not delete the FOB 2hs in
abstract onyx
yeah.
yeah...
ugh.
fringe onyx
and if you want absouletly silly amounts of money, steal an exped console, and do the syndie expeds, those give shitloads of contra, that you can then trade off for money
fading blaze
rogues job is too easy to cpmplain about high prices of literally anything
fringe onyx
rogues job is too easy to cpmplain about high prices of literally anything
yep.
garunteed saftey at their outpost, better ships (no the legionaire with shit armor does not match a 220mm deleting its walls in 2 shots)
you guys say the legionaire is really strong due to its EMPS, ive seen 2 legionaires hitting their emps on a rogue ship, did fuck all, and both legionaires had to FTL away
abstract onyx
and if you want absouletly silly amounts of money, steal an exped console, and d...
tried that. didnt work for my vessel.
abstract onyx
you guys say the legionaire is really strong due to its EMPS, ive seen 2 legiona...
ive also seen plasma shots from your vessels Gut ships before.
literally gutted my ship not that long ago.
fringe onyx
ive also seen plasma shots from your vessels Gut ships before.
literally gutted...
we dont have plasma shots???
we have the 20mm, the EMP turret, one shitty ship with a charon, and some missile turrets
only plasma turrets i know of that TSFMC has is on their base
fading blaze
we have the 20mm, the EMP turret, one shitty ship with a charon, and some missil...
one shitty ship with charon
yeaaa gettefuckouttahere
civilians only get 20mm 90mm and i dont think they even get missile pods, so, not a good argument complaining about the fact that only your least favourite ship has the biggest weapon in game
abstract onyx
yeah you do?
the spear has 2 plasmas?
wait
how often do you play TSF or rogue proper?
you said you played merc earlier right? how long have you played either faction?
fringe onyx
>one shitty ship with charon
yeaaa gettefuckouttahere
it has one wall between its cockpit and space, they often get instantly downed by a shot from the 220mm hitting the cockpit
its stong as shit if it doesnt get hit, but moment it gets hit its often dead
fringe onyx
yeah you do?
the spear has 2 plasmas?
spear is very rarley used from what ive seen
abstract onyx
it has one wall between its cockpit and space, they often get instantly downed b...
yeah thats a big issue with a lotta these ships.
fringe onyx
civilians only get 20mm 90mm and i dont think they even get missile pods, so, no...
i wasnt comparing it to civs anyway, compared to rogues
abstract onyx
the vega has 1 wall between its AME and cockpit. and VAC
and both are on the side with the gun
and it has NO shields.
fringe onyx
yeah thats a big issue with a lotta these ships.
its the main issue i have with some of the rogue ships, on some of them there is 5 tiles at the closest point between space and the cockpit
making it really hard to properly disable the ship
abstract onyx
i think thats only the europa.
the Tethys is lightly armored and its cockpit is at its nose with every little armor.
the vega is made of fucking paper. and need mods to give it a larger arc in order to have any forward firepower.
fringe onyx
rogue ships should be more focused on getting around fast and using gurila tactics, TSFMC should have slow, but large and strong ships
abstract onyx
i dont really know or care.
i just want the DBs to feel less stringent so i can actually use the nice toys.
like everytime ive ever gotten to use the better Rogue gear. ive gotten it from either looting allies. or fighting them.
fringe onyx
yeah, rogues uplink is a bit of a mess
abstract onyx
maybe im just bad at being a bad guy, i dont know.
fringe onyx
(fun fact, the rogue HF blade is only C1 contra for some fucking reason)
abstract onyx
but ive always struggled to get the bounties done. and get the gear i wanna use.
and it just feels like the DB economy is just. too stringent. so yeah being able to get some cash for the ones i do get? that would be kinda nice.
EVERYTHING ELSE ASIDE
fading blaze
no one said it was supposed to be easy
why dont you contact some mercs to see if they can help you with bounties
fringe onyx
from what i did as merc we found it stupidly easy to get DB, (then again we played both sides, having full rogue, and full TSFMC access, and were using both outposts)
abstract onyx
it shouldnt get easier when my allies are dead or im killing em.
also ive done that.
issue is then yknow.
paying them.
because mercs cost money
which we dont get in abundance.
fringe onyx
they often are happy to work for contra
abstract onyx
which we dont get in abundance
abstract onyx
from what i did as merc we found it stupidly easy to get DB, (then again we play...
yeah you played a merc. thats the point. you can flip flop.
fading blaze
yeah you played a merc. thats the point. you can flip flop.
not really a position you wanna take, no one is prohibited from playing merc, no white list required
fringe onyx
yeah you played a merc. thats the point. you can flip flop.
theres nothing stoping rouges from trading with TSFMC, and no TSFMC did not work with us, we just kinda went onto their outpost, even getting shot by a flyssa multiple times
you guys complain about getting money, all the while storming the FOB, allowing you direct access to all that TSFMC has
abstract onyx
not really a position you wanna take, no one is prohibited from playing merc, no...
what position? im stating a fact. mercs can pretty easily ditch a bad contract and go where they sense profit? what do you think i was trying to say?
abstract onyx
you guys complain about getting money, all the while storming the FOB, allowing ...
been there? gonna be real? by the time we can get in there there aint much.
i dont think ive ever gotten more than maybe 90k out of a Fob Raid.
because the marines can just Depot everything pretty easily.
and selling all that gear doesnt give a whole lot either
fading blaze
i dont think ive ever gotten more than maybe 90k out of a Fob Raid.
certified bruh complaint moment
abstract onyx
that 90k value was After selling gear.
fringe onyx
i dont think ive ever gotten more than maybe 90k out of a Fob Raid.
the point is, your not RAIDING THE GEAR, you want their uplink, and then you sell rogue gear at the trade bit, then you use the uplink to buy spesos
abstract onyx
yeah and thats all gone every time.
so why are you bringing that up as a possibility?
or well. an example.
fringe onyx
yeah and thats all gone every time.
wdym
abstract onyx
most marines tend to realise.
fringe onyx
the sell points allways there, unless you guys destroy it
abstract onyx
"oh shit. we got boarded"
fading blaze
all i see is "we need better rewards for fragging" and seven upboats by notorious fraggers
abstract onyx
so they use thier Fucs.
and Depot there cash.
and either way. i dont think its a good thing that rogues keep hitting the fob
thats not..
fringe onyx
so they use thier Fucs.
you arent stealing their uplink to use the fuc on it, your stealing to to sell contra to the FOB, then ust the FUC gained from that to buy shit
abstract onyx
are you guys not hearing me?
do i need to just somehow make my intent more explicit?
fringe onyx
you guys HAVE ways to make money...
but your too busy raiding the FOB for the 9th time, so you dont do them
rogues can do everything a merc can, you choose not to
abstract onyx
mate ive only been in the fob 3 times and one of those times was as TSF.
can you please stop generalizing.
fringe onyx
Oscar as a rogue worked with TSFMC, both of us profited
fading blaze
mate ive only been in the fob 3 times and one of those times was as TSF.
thats 3 times too many
fading blaze
dont tell us to atop generalizing if changes discussed will be applied to generally everyone
abstract onyx
welp. props. this was properly infuriating.
hard grail
abstract onyx
aye. spose so.
amber hull
swift egret
Marines coping right now