#Deltarune Ch3&4 Spoiler Thread

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frosty hare
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||You've already seen him as much as you're going to.||

gloomy onyx
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Mobile

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(Unless this is those annoying things where devices just have different UI for no reason)

knotty pawn
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Kind of spoilers ||so in the bakery, theres an option to fuse a bow, so maybe someone will use a bow in the next chapter||

honest nest
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it's a bow as in the type you wear, not the thing you shoot arrows with

knotty pawn
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Oh

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gloomy onyx
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That mother fucker...

shrewd dove
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ch4 ||so uhm....toriel...||

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gloomy onyx
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All... he had to do... was not... ||LEARN HOW BREAD IS MADE||!!!!!

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(Chapter 3 Ending + Chapter 4 Start)
||Yeesh there's so many ways to Kill Tenna...||

shrewd dove
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||yea no fellas, i dont think toriel is earning any points here||

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||she was a bit of a psycho in udnertale and here i ndeltarune she aint any better||

inland dagger
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||okay but like its literally a junk tv as far as shes concerned||

gloomy onyx
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||First, you kill the digital Tenna on the Sword Route.||
|| Next, failing to recruit everyone gets him dead ||
|| Last, (ok this is just a big "apparently" here)... Neither entering the Castle Town OR interacting with the ghost house just results in Toriel completely disposing him ||

inland dagger
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||to her nobody in the damn house is using the tv and the fact she wakes up one morning and its either completely trashed or slightly damaged is a sign to finally get rid of it||

shrewd dove
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||but we know tenna is alive there, so it is a bit heartless||

inland dagger
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||you genuinely cannot hold this against toriel because as far as shes concerned its just a normal ass barely used tv||

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||remember she was deadass just a plot device and asleep the entirety of chapter 3||

shrewd dove
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||filled the damsel in distress role n all yea yea ||

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||idk i still,,, dont feel good vibes with toriel anymore||

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||like, even in undertale she was kind of questionable||

gloomy onyx
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||She's a goat||

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||Goats do goat things||

final tendon
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man imagine the fallout if ch3 was the only chapter released this year

gloomy onyx
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Oh god

shrewd dove
gloomy onyx
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||Yes||

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gloomy onyx
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-# lying

shrewd dove
gloomy onyx
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-# Then again when that got resolved...

shrewd dove
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even with the context it aint healthy

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toriel never processed her grief in a healthy way....and neither did asgore all things considered

final tendon
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9 times outta 10 im staying with asgore over toriel

gloomy onyx
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Doomed Family

shrewd dove
inland dagger
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i mean ultimately the biggest criticism to have with toriel in undertale is that she legit couldve done so much more to stop asgore

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but she ended up just moping in staying in a castle like he did

gloomy onyx
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Ah the beloved mother figure character

final tendon
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she only decides to after frisk arrives 😭

gloomy onyx
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Well known for...

final tendon
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"oh darn that would be the last one he needs guess i gotta actually do something"

gloomy onyx
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...threatening to burn me if I tried to leave

inland dagger
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i mean

gloomy onyx
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...and then deciding it's completely ok to let -1 year old me wander in the frozen wilds whilst still wearing the basic cotton-candy striped getup

inland dagger
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its more of a threat of burning

shrewd dove
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you see what i mean

final tendon
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how cold IS snowdin

shrewd dove
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that lady aint right

final tendon
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like wheres the snow coming from

gloomy onyx
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The air

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All goat mom had to do was be goat mom and not gatekeeper of the ruins

inland dagger
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i dont think any monsters are particularly dressed for "super cold weather" in the first place

gloomy onyx
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But alas if we had a party member in the RPG GAME it'd be too FUUUUN

inland dagger
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but anyway bottom line is toriel is a flawed character
not purely good or bad

we are not the 2016 undertale fandom who can only see black and white

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gloomy onyx
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No no we can't have an obligatory mage partner in our RPG game no no no...

gloomy onyx
final tendon
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(i miss my hatted ralsei, dess. i miss him a lot)

inland dagger
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i mean if you want undertale with party members well boy have i got the game for you! leepertroll

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inland dagger
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i was torn between making that the punchline or deltarune

gloomy onyx
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It better have multiversal travel for some reason

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It better have a cool pitch then just go bonkers to absurd levels

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gloomy onyx
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It better have Evil Sans and Evil Papyrus

inland dagger
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now im wondering if deltatraveler will even finish before chapter 6 and 7 come out

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inland dagger
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because with how ambitious some of the later areas they have planned for that i have my doubts

gloomy onyx
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Damn dude never played the fangame but it would've been nice (albeit boring, creatively) if it was literally just Deltarune in Undertale

final tendon
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in this world its heal or be healed

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gloomy onyx
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Also unfortunately characters just say Fuck now instead of "$!$?"

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So like that's not a [DEALMAKER] for me buddy

honest nest
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||https://fxtwitter.com/wendylmao3/status/1938019736320667852?t=a5mN0OpofskT8tUXg1xqyw&s=19|| holy shit chapter 3 has so much unused contenr that is just now being put together

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gloomy onyx
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Ok this is getting ridiculous now

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||TOBY YOU HAD... ALL THAT EFFORT... and because of this very genuine issue that I very much 100% understand regarding pacing... You just... keep it locked behind code||

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We're gonna need like... ||Some deluxe version or something|| once everything's released

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||The Toby Cut||, if you will

timber spoke
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||also wonder what more they planned for Sword Route stuff since second part of unused Board 3 had unique intro for it||

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||btw people talk about the Chapter 3 Board 3-related stuff, but I gotta wonder what other Chapter 4 Noelle's House stuff got cut, like we have some of the sprites and unfinished train minigame stuff, but none of the dialogue for those||

inland dagger
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||i genuinely wonder how heavily chapter 3 got reworked if theres this much left in the game||

timber spoke
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||probably good bit, at least most of the last section||

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timber spoke
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||also worth noting that in the final there's train stuff in the basement which was probably meant to be related||

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shrewd dove
gloomy onyx
balmy bridge
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this shit in a nutshell

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final tendon
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||dammit toby why you gotta hold out on us we know theyre real people with feelings js give us the plushies 💔💔💔||

knotty pawn
safe abyss
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Chapter 3 cut content is insane

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||You might know about the cut Board 3, but did you know around the middle of it was where the Rouxls battle was intially placed?||

knotty pawn
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This all went unused

knotty pawn
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||Also apparently this section had a playable Board Elnina????????????????????||

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||It's so much.||

knotty pawn
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(Technically)

inland dagger
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||Anyways here's the entire|| unused ||sneaking section||

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||Damn only first video embedded||

round olive
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||I still think they should have had the sneak music play for those first few seconds where the sneak is actually slow||

calm furnace
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Chapter 4

north jetty
round olive
# north jetty ||Y'all||

||Only now realizing that this sprite is just a re-tooled Asriel sprite, even keeping the eye lines lmao ||

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||Technically all of Ralsei's portrait sprites are retooled Asriel sprites (actually leads to a weird inconsistency with his horns between portrait and gameplay sprites)||

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||But yea ik what you mean||

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||No but like,||

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||It's most obvious with his base portrait sprites that we see in stuff like the end of Ch1||

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||The silhouette is the EXACT same, the only real differences are the coloring and glasses||

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||Okay nevermind I'm speaking out of my ass||

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||I looked up the actual sprite, and while I can tell Ralsei is loosely built on that same silhouette, it's HEAVILY altered||

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||...the horns are still facing the wrong direction though which is just weird||

silent dock
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||I'm just surprised that toriel is getting more hate after the chapter 4 ending, than asgore did after murdering children||

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unique phoenix
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||For all Toriel or we know, some humans could have lived full lives in the underground until they passed of natural causes and had their soul collected||

silent dock
silent dock
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been wondering what this moment could be, ever since the interview came out in the winter 2024 newsletter

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chapter 4
||I'm now fairly confident it's the old man showing up to neg diff a titan||

frosty hare
shrewd dove
hearty wigeon
# silent dock ||I'm just surprised that toriel is getting more hate after the chapter 4 ending...

||Turns out being a single parent raising a child after your other left for college plus who’s husband still can’t quite let go of the relationship yet and is still giving flowers to their child who gives them to you tends to make you do stupid shit
(That’s not even including the potential weird route with a permanently unconscious child either around town)
She’s not getting a pass but at least you understand how it got to this point||

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||It’s not the end of the fucking world for her character like everyone’s making it out to be but it’s still VERY questionable||

shrewd dove
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||tbf toriel was always a questionable character alongside asgore||

hearty wigeon
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||She was always a morally questionable character but||

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||Yeah this is the first REAL time we see those questionable actions again in deltarune||

shrewd dove
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the fnadom was just VERY unaware of both of them

hearty wigeon
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||Since beforehand she was pretty tame after the whole “Forcibly keeping their children safe in the ruins from asgore until the genderless giraffe came along in which she tested them on their resolve”||

molten sigil
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think about it this way

hearty wigeon
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Media literacy strikes again

shrewd dove
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not media literacy

molten sigil
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||toriel's counterargument to asgore in the true pacifist route is "you should have taken one soul and then taken six more souls from the humans on the surface" is fucking stupid in multiple ways||

shrewd dove
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you dont get a chance to really read into toriel's actions until you really pay atention

molten sigil
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because ||not only would that permanently taint the relationship between humans and monsters, it'd also get asgore fucking killed||

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and ||toriel isn't willing to rule alongside asgore at that moment, she would have no idea that he died||

hearty wigeon
shrewd dove
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||the fandom was VERY young so anturally we'd glaze over toriel actions cuz she acted motherly towards us the player but we ignored a lot of her toxic traits||

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||so now in deltarune those come to the top much more easily||

molten sigil
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like, the choice is between ||waiting for seven different humans to fall into the underground and taking their souls, which is a safe strategy (especially considering the monsters seem to be living alright down there despite their yearning for freedom)||

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or ||taking one soul and then blitzing the humans on the surface, which is an extremely risky strategy that would very easily kickstart another war if it actually succeeded||

hearty wigeon
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||Already didn’t bode well the first time a single monster had a human soul fused to them either wtf is a plentiful of monsters both combative and useless gonna do||

molten sigil
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||even if asgore tried to be peaceful with the humans, they'd still be scared shitless of him because of what happened with asriel||

hearty wigeon
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||Unless it’s asgore/undyne they’re wiping the floor with every human if they’re the ones using the soul||

molten sigil
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and like ||the humans just made an assumption that asriel killed chara, if the humans see another boss monster with a human soul, they'd lose their minds||

hearty wigeon
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||They probably will send out a nuke or some outlandish weapon specifically for that situation if it were to happen again||

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||I don’t believe that they WOULDN’T prepare themselves a bit beforehand in case another monster with a human soul arises again||

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||Especially a jacked-up one like asgore||

final tendon
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||ok but like a monster with 7 souls is basically god what can humans even do againsy that||

unique phoenix
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||deploy Freddy Fazbear||

molten sigil
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technically ||the fnaf animatronics would be stronger than humans and monsters||

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||they're inanimate objects piloted by human souls, so they're like if flowey's soul was a human one||

gilded warren
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||This is assuming the fnaf animatronics were undertale humans who have magic soul powers||

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||as in like
Undertale magic soul powers
in addition to whatever the fuck they have going on in fnaf||

shrewd dove
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they're basically ghosts/poltergeists, dont let the shit names fool you

molten sigil
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||undertale soul possession mechanics do make more sense than fnaf remnant||

shrewd dove
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remnant, agony, whatever tf crossed cawthon's mind that day

hearty wigeon
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TJOCR Bonnie would lowkey box every regular human on the surface tho

Like his right hook alone sends the average human sprawling on the floor like a spalding basketball

silent dock
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Still, it means only magic attacks could hurt them

pliant loom
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||just beat the knight no items on accident when beating him the fourth time||

silent dock
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"oh whoops, looks like I'm cracked"

pliant loom
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Lmfao yeah

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ch3 ||does anyone know if the amount of damage done to tenna by the knight is truly random, or if there's any hidden variables that affect it?||

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||bc it's definitely not the same each time||

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ch4 ||i mostly ask bc the donation amount from people besides you can change depending on the number of eggs you have so i wouldn't put it past toby fox to do something like this||

frosty hare
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||She's definitely the more reasonable of the two in Undertale by a wide margin. Because Asgore isn't the "Evil King" in this version it's easier to sympathize with him now, but we still don't know exactly what he did.||

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ch3 ||i was actually wondering if the damage would change depending on the number of enemies you kill in sword route but i don't think that's it||

pliant loom
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Note ||I used ralsei heals because I am good at using him||

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||there is an optional bird technically||

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||also no that's not true since you don't have to do all parts of the sword route technically||

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||or have to do any of it for that matter||

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||i have no idea if the game does track this separately for the kill count, but if it does, there's also the friend spawns during the shadow mantle holder fight||

shrewd dove
silent dock
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i guess the first place to start is by ||reloading on the same save over and over right before the knight fight||

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||to see if you get the same damage number on the same file repeatedly||

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||if it's the same number then it's either not just a random value or it's determined earlier||

silent dock
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done, it changes

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wonder if there's some kind of pattern

timber spoke
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||probably just random but in a certain range||

silent dock
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y'know what, I'm looking into this

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gonna check the code with my limited knowledge

rapid bluff
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Keep us posted

honest nest
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unless this is something else

untold kite
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Chapter 3 spoilers

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so yeah it's literally just ||around 5500 damage while randomly choosing up to 500 more or less||

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so there should be ||a 0.1% chance to get exactly 5000 or 6000 damage each||

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||which means most likely a good amount of people have seen that, considering how much the game instantly sold||

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honest nest
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yeah i posted that a bit ago lol

silent dock
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I didn't see

silent dock
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truly the duality of man

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Funny Chapter 3 placeholder dialogue

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||Apparently originally the lowest possible grade for battles on boards was "Salesman"||

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||He fucking HATES Spamton||

silent dock
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we call that tsundere

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silent dock
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||but he keeps a pipis around... let me have my gays.........||

timber spoke
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||they're definitely 'divorced' at this point yeah||

gloomy onyx
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Then it's the toxic variety

honest nest
timber spoke
untold kite
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||the kids...||

timber spoke
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||feels even funnier with the stuff in Chapter 3 now||

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silent dock
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oh the rest as well

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i'm probably not updating my giant gaster diagram for a long time but if i do i'd probably do something like this (chapter 4 spoiler)

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||Idea: A Deltarune AU where Kris and Susie buy power tools to break into the shelter instead of searching for a code|| (Chapter 3 ending/early Chapter 4 spoilers)

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Sounds like peak actually

final tendon
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yeah wait why DIDNT they do that

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untold kite
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||well if Kris is potentially in league with the knight, they may have dissuaded Susie from trying anything like that. Or those doors are made of like vibranium or somethin'||

frosty hare
silent dock
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opening in browser helps

frosty hare
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Oh, I don't use Discord in browser haha

silent dock
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ye ye same

frosty hare
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I also ||"don't like looking at this sort of thing."||

silent dock
# silent dock ye ye same

there's a button in the top right when clicking on the image though, that lets you open the image in a browser tab, even when on the app

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frosty hare
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Part of me does wonder how on earth ||Star Walker|| made it into the cut, but at that point why not.

hearty wigeon
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Alright so how do i fight the secret boss i chapter 3?

honest nest
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you can probably find spoiler free guides online

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lmao (both chapters spoilers but in an intentionally not-so-spoilery way)

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frosty hare
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Perilously close to Temmie's All Yummies thumbnail

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final tendon
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ok but
||john mantle lmfao||

honest nest
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you can thank shayy for that

final tendon
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thanks shayy

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ive been referring to ||the knight as john bat and gerson as john hammer||

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little jewel
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||honestly when Deltarune finishes I'm going to bet all my money that the fandom's going to spring up an AU where the Holidays and Dreemurs basically just switch places||

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Discard the past

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Embrace ||darkswap||

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||Darkswap? Is that an actual thing already?||

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||no I just made that up||

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|| au where all darkners swap lighteners||

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||it will not make sense, as always||

inland dagger
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||i mean theres already swap AUs||

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||the main one iirc swaps parts of chapter 1 and 2 with each other||

silent dock
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oh yeah chapter rewritten or something?

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^ chapter 3 end + chapter 4 light world spoilers

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Winded up tailoring some of my ocs to kinda fit in deltarunes world

Was unsure on what to do really with the darkness orb so i gave them a basic body-

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||oh my god he did put him in the game||

honest nest
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||Someone found Queen's leitmotif in Catswing||

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||That damn song really does just have every leitmotif for no reason||

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where

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# honest nest where

||https://youtu.be/iWUf-kgd4C8?t=199||

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EVERY Musical Connection & Motif in Catswing! (Deltarune Ch 3+4)

Diving into "Catswing" from the Deltarune Chapters 3+4 soundtrack! 🎶 This track is PACKED with little musical nods and connections to other songs in the game.

In this video, I point out all the potential motifs and references that I found. Seriously cool to see how Toby Fox weaves the soundtrack together.

What connections did YOU hear? Lemm...

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||Timestamped for ease of finding it||

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||It isn't working....||

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||It's at 3:19-ish in this video||

silent dock
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it doesn't work in embeds but it does work when clicking the link

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Well still, if you don't wanna click the link it's at around 3:19

honest nest
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||and that lancer comparison sounds very... not similar||

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||Yeah, but the Queen section is one I agree with||

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||Some others are questionable, but the Queen section is undeniable imo||

honest nest
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||and yeah the queen motif is also unlikely to be intentional, it's a specifically cropped out secton of a simple melody that sounds similar to the first simple melody used in queen||

gilded warren
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||"To poke fun at fans theorizing about Mike's identity"
Ah yes, like how Mistilteinn pokes fun at fans thinking Magolor and Super Kirby Clash is related to the Mistilteinn||

honest nest
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it's very easy to cut out specific very short sections of melodies and claim they're based off other melodies without taking into account that the fully uncut melody sounds much more different than that short segment

gilded warren
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||Definitely doesn't have these leitmotifs because Mike's related to these characters||

honest nest
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and ||ghost fight?? what||

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that one doesn't even sound similar imo

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||As I said, I disagree with large parts of it||

honest nest
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yeah

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||It's just specifically the Queen part that sounds unlikely to be accidental to me||

gilded warren
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||Oh wow ok is the entire second half of this video just "big stretches" AKA delusion||

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IcYRMU9SEk hey i remember watching this 2 years ago

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Deltarune Chapter 3 Beginning (Fanmade)

“Code more than just a bossfight,” my brain said. “It’ll be fun,” my brain said. And that’s how I ended up coding the entire beginning to Chapter 3 and taking more than two months to finish it.

Play the game: https://c0d3y.itch.io/deltarune-chapter-3-beginning?secret=51D1kmQrvaP2O71ZWedYD7v6GA

The music for the bossfight is SHOWSTO...

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does NOT feel like 2 years ago

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Feature: "I've Made The Equivalent Of Like 2 And A Half Undertales At This Point"- A Quick 'Deltarune' Chat With Toby Fox

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||don't know if that's what they were referring to 😭||

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Tony tricked the interviewer

honest nest
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tricky tony back at it again

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Toby WHY

frosty hare
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||YOU'RE TAKING TOO LONG||

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||P-P-P-PUMPKIN HEAD||

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chapter 4

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||"haha, kris, I can never tell when you're messing with me"||

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||IS TAKING TOO LONG||

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(chapter 4) what the fuck ||https://www.rxddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/1llh8hp/hold_on_this_seems_familiar/||

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Hold on, this seems familiar...
u/No_Park6389 on r/Undertale

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While I don't think they are literally the spirits of the dead monsters, as the only reason Gerson is in the dark world is because his remains are in the church, the references to wax and fire in some of their flavor text makes me think that they could be the candles of monsters who have passed on.

Posting this he...

knotty pawn
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Go ahead

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Flirt

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ch4 ||is there any downside to taking more than one candy from the bowl lol||

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I love how i can just post random pics here and everyone here will just understand

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🦌

hearty wigeon
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💥

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👑

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🌻

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🐐

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🌳

hearty wigeon
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⏳⌛

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🎃

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Chapter 3

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This looks so cool

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This title and thumbnail highly irritate me (Chapter 3 fan content)

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||Not only is there an actual secret boss (you could even argue two if you use the weird backwards logic some use for the Knight), but Ramb has no reason to fight you under any circumstance||

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||Every single time I see someone say Ramb should have been a secret boss I die a little inside||

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Ch4 ||managed to do the extended hammer of justice fight on my first try||

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||I did the regular fight in only 2 tries, but extended took me so many||

hearty wigeon
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||I managed to do it on my first try but came dangerously close to actually dying||

knotty pawn
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||i am very scared for my first fight with gramps||

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||the statue kicked my ass so im fucked||

fickle otter
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speedran ch 3

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|| knight first attempt + grabbed the mantle this time|| 1 hour 40 mins

frosty hare
honest nest
silent dock
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the attack after that is even worse imo

hearty wigeon
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||Was getting cooked by those arrows near the end imma be real||

knotty pawn
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Chapter 4 ||shout out to secret bosses that are chill and for fun||

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balmy bridge
hearty wigeon
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||My goat deserved better than to be smack talked about how nobody will miss him by a literal nobodySobKirby||

final tendon
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||SCREW YOU RANDOM PIPPINS NOBODY WILL REMEMBER YOU||

hearty wigeon
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||I would’ve broken my pacifist route if it meant being able to physically kill him on the spot||

final tendon
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||do yall believe the theory that ramb was playing as john mantle with one working hand and eye||

silent dock
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||nah, that thing could hurt kris in the real world||

final tendon
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||all thats missing is the hyperrealistic blood||

safe abyss
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||The thing is just, Ramb is just a nice old man, there would genuinely be no reason for him to fight you||

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||He's a nice old man who speaks very cryptically about freedom and such, but he's a nice old man||

final tendon
safe abyss
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||The thing is, we now know that Jevil went insane after direct conversation with the Knight, and Spamton went insane from his phone call||

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||The crystals are not the main factor to either of them going insane||

frosty hare
#

||We can't say that for certain. We know that they both got their hands on Shadow Crystals at one point, and we know they both learned their existence is prewritten and it drove them insane. What we don't have is a connection between the two yet. But we certainly can't rule it out.||

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||What makes it complicated as of Chapter 3 is that there are now several Darkners who openly discuss that they're physical objects in Kris' house.||

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||Before one might have concluded that the information Jevil and Spamton received is that they weren't real, as the Shadow Crystal allows you to see past the fantasy of the Dark World back into the Real. But now we're forced to conclude that the "freedom" they're seeking is another level up, to escape from the game itself. ||

silent dock
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||but we know spamton went insane before receiving the shadow crystal
seam mentions that he "found it in that old machine", referring to the neo body||

frosty hare
#

Oh, you're right

silent dock
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||at the same time, gerson seems to imply that the shadow crystals do have some kind of corrupting power||

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it's a bit confusing

frosty hare
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Unless ||Spamton found the Neo Body (and the shadow crystal inside) before he was evicted from Queen's Palace, explaining why he knows about the tunnels underneath it in the first place.||

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||So his deal with Kris was to get him back to the Neo Body so he could finish what he was originally intending to do.||

silent dock
#

that's a pretty good possibility

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on a similar topic, was it ever confirmed the crystals give you great power? or is my brain making that up

frosty hare
#

I think Seam has only ever implied that finding enough of them will allow him to make something good.

silent dock
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right

frosty hare
#

Am I remembering correctly that ||the Neo Body is something Mettaton designed in the computer lab and then threw away the blueprint for?||

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I was trying to remember ||what the "Roots" part of the Palace was actually supposed to represent in the Computer Lab that the body would wind up there||

silent dock
frosty hare
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(I'm talking about Chapter 2 now). The whole area where Spamton's boss fight is is very strange. Queen either doesn't know or doesn't care that it's down there, as he hasn't filled it with her typical decor. The only thing in it are a few empty treasure chests and a long hallway where the Neo Body was discarded.

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I suppose it could be like, an abandoned train depot for the roller coasters that one Darkner says is the only public transportation in Cyber City.

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But I just wonder how it got there.

silent dock
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she at least seems to think it's a bad idea to make it public access, since you need it's locked before using the keygen

safe abyss
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I think

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Would match up with Mettaton "making a body" in MS Paint and then discarding it

fathom canopy
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Wouldn't the recycling bin be the area named "trash area" where trashie and spamton live

safe abyss
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Oh true

honest nest
#

so continuing from the apparently not spoiler thread
im pretty sure a lot of enemies DO have like "status" effects, but they're just enemy specific

timber spoke
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also bit of modifiers but obviously lot of them are hidden (as goes for most mechanics)

honest nest
#

like in chapter 3
||pippins has the act that makes all of its dice attacks have 4 dots, zapper has the act that makes all of its attacks big and give more tp, and there's probably stuff i'm forgetting||

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deltarune (and undertale by extension) don't really have generic status effects but just way more unique enemies

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like how almost every single enemy and boss has you spare them a different way

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which i think deltarune does a lot better than undertale, in that game you spared almost every boss literally just by surviving and not attacking them

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toriel, papyrus, mad dummy, undyne, mettaton ex (though that fight has shooting stuff), asriel, and sans but you DO attack him

molten sigil
#

they still had unique means to do it

honest nest
#

so yeah moral of the story deltarune is fun i think

molten sigil
#

toriel gradually slows down and lets you go, papyrus is just always nice to you and stops fighting

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you have to make mad dummy shoot itself and you have to run from undyne and tire her out

honest nest
molten sigil
#

and then you have to damage mettaton ex's body and fill his view meter

timber spoke
lyric surge
#

ya but i want actual strats We Can Do

honest nest
lyric surge
#

everything in UT/DR has been everything They Do To Us

honest nest
#

what

silent dock
timber spoke
lyric surge
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or like a bit after

honest nest
timber spoke
#

but yeah with all the hidden stuff and there already being some more complicated things, I think it's mostly fine not having it be super-detailed on attacking side (at this point, at least)

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+obviously the more obvious unique stuff between fights

honest nest
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yeah i'm pretty sure the whole point of these games is kinda "just attacking people is boring lol"

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though despite that i think deltarune combat is a lot more fun than undertale because of the multiple party members

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and also tp. i think tp is singlehandedly the best part of this game's battles

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specifically grazing i mean

lyric surge
#

i dont mind how the actual game plays out

honest nest
#

perfect risk reward system

lyric surge
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its not really a "game should fix it"

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its a "aw i expected something else"

timber spoke
honest nest
#

probably half the time i've gotten hit in this game is wanting to graze too much lol

honest nest
timber spoke
honest nest
#

yeah ||jackenstein seemingly falling to his death was messed up||

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if only starwalker could save us all

silent dock
timber spoke
honest nest
#

on a semi related note
||how the fuck does recruiting canonically work anymore
like with chapter 1's recruits it was simple, kris just brought all the light world items to castle town
chapter 2's is basically the same, just don't question how they carried all that stuff. also don't question how computer programs can be recruited separately. also also just pretend kris brought the chapter 2 recruits to castle town off screen while "washing their hands" if you didn't do so yourself
then with chapter 3, you are forced to recruit lanino and elnina who are based on a weather program on tv, which also isn't a physical object like computer programs but rather part of the tv. but because of that, refusing to bring the tv (who is actually tenna, so is he like their dad??) to castle town still recruits them which just seems weird. also zappers are based on tv remotes even though most households only have 1 or maybe 2 of them.
and then chapter 4, you can see your recruits from the sanctuaries in castle town if you use that light to get to the limited version of castle town to fight mike, but you can easily just pretend that's not canon i guess. i'm just wondering if we're gonna rob the church at the start of chapter 5 to bring them to castle town. or maybe susie will do that/will have done that off screen, that could work too||

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(literally every spoiler by the way)

safe abyss
timber spoke
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||who knows for Elnina and Lanino though, guessing they must be considered something else but who knows what||

honest nest
safe abyss
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||My family's apartment has a shitton of lost remotes||

honest nest
timber spoke
honest nest
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||is it technically still possible for shadowguys to be based on these things||

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do we even know what these are anyhow

honest nest
molten sigil
timber spoke
honest nest
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||i don't think the rules of the dark worlds are too strict considering they're based on fiction which often has plot holes||

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specifically like ||who can "fit" in which dark world, because that whole idea is inherently subjective||

molten sigil
#

and the game itself puts holes in its own logic

honest nest
#

are there any other examples of things that could be thought of as plot holes

timber spoke
molten sigil
#

with stuff like ||the darkeners native to the tv world turning to stone instead of the ones that had existed in other areas before||

timber spoke
honest nest
molten sigil
#

and ||susie's dark world somehow lacking gerson despite her knowing that his dust is in the room||

honest nest
molten sigil
#

||she made an entire dark world specifically to see gerson again, and instead she got the zombie gerson statue||

honest nest
#

not in detail but it's not completely overlooked

timber spoke
molten sigil
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which i guess is code for ||the knight's will||

honest nest
#

i think the main explanation for this that people have is that ||the knight is dess and dess knew gerson well, so her fountain brought him to life accurately. but susie barely knew gerson and so her version of his reincarnation was messed up||

molten sigil
#

||susie had a really positive interpretation of gerson, so why was her version of him explicitly a false version||?

honest nest
#

oh right i forgot ||ralsei also said he couldn't even be brought to castle town, though susie cuts him off before he can elaborate||

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molten sigil
#

oh

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OOOH

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||THE KNIGHT KNEW HIM||

honest nest
molten sigil
#

i wonder if that's how ||gerson, in undertale, somehow has meta knowledge on what the player can and can't do in the genocide route||?

honest nest
molten sigil
#

||it almost makes me wonder if deltarune's influence on undertale is more than just sans being from that universe||

honest nest
#

||yeah deltarune came before undertale so there's definitely a lot of intentional foreshadowing||

molten sigil
#

||in undertale, the delta rune exists, but the myth behind it is different despite it being heavily implied to at least originally be the same myth||

honest nest
molten sigil
#

||multiple gaster follower npcs originally from undertale show up in deltarune and are similarly suspicious in deltarune||

honest nest
#

||literally the coolest guy alive (he's not alive)||

molten sigil
honest nest
molten sigil
#

iirc ||one of the gaster follower npcs shows up in the place where you meet onion-san if you wait there and come back||

silent dock
#

yeah, clam guy

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well, both clam guy and clam girl but yeah

honest nest
silent dock
#

oh yeah

honest nest
#

literally what is your deal

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silent dock
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||although he appears there no matter what||

molten sigil
#

i think this might imply like

honest nest
molten sigil
#

||those npcs, both in their non-goner and goner states, are always tied to gaster||

silent dock
#

ONION SAN WAS GASTER ALL ALONG

honest nest
#

||when are they gonna be goner'd||

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molten sigil
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honestly, the more and more we get of deltarune, the more i realize that ||gaster "being shattered across time and space" might be literal||

unique phoenix
molten sigil
#

||the deltarune narrator, egg man and friend cat are all related to each other in some way while also all having ties to gaster||

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||all of the gaster follower npcs show up in deltarune in some way except for goner kid, and a few of them still have their sus traits||

honest nest
molten sigil
#

||you literally have him on speed dial in the dark worlds, and one of his soundbytes is tied to the bunker where the knight chills out, implying that the knight is probably also tied to him in some way||

#

IT GOES DEEPER

honest nest
molten sigil
#

||and the premise of the dark worlds, going darker and darker into imagination, was directly foreshadowed by the unused gaster entry||

honest nest
#

OH MY GOD

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HE'S NOT A DOG!?1//!?!/1/

frosty hare
silent dock
#

||what about the john mantle fight||

molten sigil
honest nest
calm furnace
#

Very funny

molten sigil
#

||friend cat is very heavily tied to the cat petterz game noelle played, with it literally showing up in the cat minigames and being implied to be made of the same circles the cats are in that game (the prophecy about a demon's tail leading people astray)||

calm furnace
#

||There’s also the literal cat ears image friend has in the John Mantle fight ||

molten sigil
#

also, ||friend having endogeny's body in ralsei's loredump is probably because at the end of endogeny's fight, the shadows between the legs make cat figures||

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frosty hare
molten sigil
#

we also know that toby fox has been planning this out for literally over a decade

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this is like, the one situation in which these crazy ass theories could actually hold water

frosty hare
#

One of the ||Mikes|| being a ||cat with yellow and pink eyes|| confirms in my mind that it's a gag at this point.

calm furnace
molten sigil
timber spoke
calm furnace
#

||I think it’s meant to look like endogeny cause it’s a literal schrodinger’s cat||

molten sigil
#

not because ||friend isn't relevant at all||

timber spoke
molten sigil
#

it's less that ||friend itself is a joke and more of the mike fight specifically making fun of the idea of friend being mike||

frosty hare
#

||Pink and yellow definitely means something, as even Gerson brings it up. ||

molten sigil
#

and ||spamton's glasses have the same colors||

frosty hare
#

But ||Friend being a cat, Friend being its name, and Friend being a character at all are still incredibly left field speculations.||

timber spoke
#

||not really||

calm furnace
molten sigil
#

||the only thing we don't have evidence for is friend being its name, the only reason it's called "friend" is because that's what its files are called||

timber spoke
#

||yeah and again, chapter 3 (and we know chair appearance was always planned)||

molten sigil
#

wtf is ||chair appearance||

timber spoke
#

||the endogeny type thing||

molten sigil
#

i know there's that one ||chair kicking your ass fortune, and the chair in totally not susie's room||

#

wait

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that ||thing's called "chair"||?

silent dock
#

no no

#

it was in the sweepstakes

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which also had yellow and pink eyes if you spam click

timber spoke
#

yeah
||and it is the transformed version of the chair in that early Chapter 3 cutscene||

molten sigil
#

wait a second

#

where can i find a picture of this?

#

i think i'm losing it, i completely do not remember this

timber spoke
#

weren't you literally talking about it earlier too

silent dock
#

spam click on this page

frosty hare
#

Yeah I'm a little confused about what ||the chair|| has to do with ||Friend.|| I know what both of those things are but not how they are related.

molten sigil
#

WHAT

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||IT'S THE FUCKING CHAIR||?

molten sigil
#

i was referring to ||it looking like endogeny||

frosty hare
#

I'm not sure that's what the conclusion were supposed to draw is.

silent dock
#

eventually gives you this

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timber spoke
molten sigil
#

okay wait

silent dock
#

chapter 3
||with the same sound effect that plays when stabbing the image_friends in the john mantle fight||

timber spoke
frosty hare
#

I suppose that there's a resemblance, though now that raises even more questions about why it looks like Enogeny

molten sigil
#

if ||friend is implied to originate from noelle's cat game, why the hell is its light world counterpart implied to be a chair||?

frosty hare
#

Oh yeah, and then there's the ||little guys in the ERAM fight.||

molten sigil
#

unless ||the gimmick is that it shows up literally anywhere, out of literally anything||

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||if it's a schrodinger's cat, it will simultaneously always and never be there||

frosty hare
#

I think ||there is just more than one character with yellow and pink eyes.||

calm furnace
silent dock
molten sigil
frosty hare
silent dock
frosty hare
#

In what universe?

molten sigil
#

wait

timber spoke
molten sigil
#

fuck, one moment

calm furnace
#

||My personal idea is that since friend is likely connected to whatever happened to Dess and Kris, friend may be a manifestation of her fear or terror she felt during whatever incident went down. Like her subconscious trauma bleeding into the dark worlds ||

frosty hare
#

I will concede that the ||ERAM attacks do look like cats, and they're the things that look the most like Friend in the actual game, so maybe that part is fine.||

calm furnace
#

||Could be Kris’s as well. That distinction doesn’t really matter atm||

molten sigil
#

is there a place where i can see all of the ||prophecy|| images in chapter 4?

frosty hare
#

Going back to what I was saying, so maybe ||the face we see in Chapter 2 was actually ERAM or one of his summoned minions, keeping tabs on us.||

molten sigil
timber spoke
# silent dock what?

||think they're talking about 'Lost where the forest would grow, the children followed the pointed tail.' scrambled text in an Egg-related room, though I don't think there's any indication it's connection to Friend rn||

molten sigil
#

^

calm furnace
#

||Why would there be a distinction between eram’s little guys and image friend. Like I don’t think the little minion guys in the game are alive ||

silent dock
molten sigil
#

also

silent dock
timber spoke
molten sigil
#

||friend is designed after the traditional chesire cat||

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||the chesire cat historically is a massive troll||

frosty hare
molten sigil
#

iirc one of the things about ||the cat petterz game is that all of the cats are made of conjoined circles||

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so the logic would be like

calm furnace
frosty hare
calm furnace
#

||I think you’re misremembering what image friend looks like||

molten sigil
# molten sigil so the logic would be like

||friend originating from cat petterz + conjoined circle pointed tail in the prophecy + pointed tail being implied to have led kris/dess/etc to the bunker + friend also having connections to spamton, who was led astray by an unknown entity||

calm furnace
#

||Looks pretty Cheshire to me||

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honest nest
#

after all of this i'm still questioning ||why the fuck friend has the same colored eyes as spamton. like i can get behind this thing being some manifestion of pure darkness that randomly shows up to do usually evil shit or whatever the hell it's gonna be. but WHY DOES IT HAVE SPAMTON'S EYE COLORS??||

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||because swatch said in chapter 2 that people tried to impersonate him, even imitating his glasses, which literally everyone understood was referring to spamton's similarly colored glasses||

frosty hare
molten sigil
#

||the chesire cat is a huge fucking troll, so it isn't unreasonable for it to have a deal with the devil type personality in this universe||

honest nest
frosty hare
#

Is that sprite also alled Friend?

calm furnace
#

||Dude. It’s the exact same eyes and mouth shape.||

#

why would you design two characters that look practically identical and then be like “errrm no actually”

molten sigil
#

also

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the face originally showed up before spamton's fight

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like

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||what swatch said about impersonators is probably true, but there's likely more of a connection between spamton and friend than just that||

frosty hare
calm furnace
#

||Okay but spamton has many more identifying features. It’s also implied that spamton got his glasses from someone else||

balmy bridge
timber spoke
# honest nest

||oh yeah I guess chair Spamtom Sweepstakes page was also referencing this and the other Sword Route sprites sprite-wise with the eyes lol||

#

||so yeah both appearances were at least intended from the start||

calm furnace
#

||Actually hmm. I imagine spamton got his pink and yellow glasses because he was partially responsible for friend’s existence. Noelle had a conversation with spam emails until it spat out something she plugged into cat petterz. That would make a connection between spamton and friend ||

honest nest
honest nest
timber spoke
#

||is it still Friend or is it also _||

fathom canopy
honest nest
molten sigil
calm furnace
timber spoke
molten sigil
#

all three of the ||meta characters have a theme of not entirely properly existing within the game's universe||

fathom canopy
#

this is like those old celebrity memes like "remember [this guy]? Here's him now, feel old yet?

fathom canopy
molten sigil
calm furnace
molten sigil
#

it's not like him to do that

timber spoke
#

did you reply to the wrong message

fathom canopy
#

People have joked before that Toby looks like a totally different dude in every pic he's in so honesty this pic would check out yea lol

molten sigil
#

i did reply to the wrong message, yeah

#

mb

molten sigil
fathom canopy
#

Also yeah it's AI just checked

#

That pic is also part of a LinkedIn profile and it mentions ai

#

I'm not sure if it's someone posing as him or if there was a mixup of some kind, the LinkedIn profile does not seem to be trying to pose as Toby

calm furnace
#

Whoever did the hack did get a decent picture of an older Toby I’ll admit

#

Based on the decade old one’s we have lmao

fathom canopy
calm furnace
fathom canopy
#

Yep that's what I was referring to

#

But still what a massive loser this guy is to use ai on his own profile. Would not be surprised if he wasn't real to begin with

calm furnace
lunar veldt
#

So apparently there's some Switch-exclusive content to the full release

#

Is it actually anything notable or is it just that one joke dialogue I saw earlier?

#

I prefer getting my multiplatform games on PC when possible but if there's any actual exclusive stuff (like Mad Mew Mew in Undertale) then I'll get it on Switch instead

calm furnace
lunar veldt
#

||Completely?||

#

||Or does it just use the built-in mice and mic?||

untold kite
#

Chapter 4
||huh, i just realized that all the roasting chicken stuff tony posted was just the dog climbing from that one secret thing in Ch 4||

halcyon tendon
#

Ok this is a very important question

#

Who wins

lunar veldt
#

Me

honest nest
#

chapter 3 egg spoiler

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halcyon tendon
#

Vengeance Clover or ||Gerson||

lunar veldt
#

I mean theoretically Clover due to being a player character and all

molten sigil
#

clover and it's not close

lunar veldt
#

||If the player can beat Gerson in Deltarune then logically they can beat him by U.T.Y.'s rules too||

halcyon tendon
#

ok you know what i think its true sadly

lunar veldt
#

||Even if he could still dodge like normal, he'll tire out eventually||

halcyon tendon
#

||Clover would probably tweak out assuming they find out Gerson participated in the Great War||

lunar veldt
#

||Plus with the Deltarune fight we're literally just aiming to trim his hair||

#

Uhh...

#

You should uh

molten sigil
#

||gerson held back in deltarune, but he's at a similar level to undyne in undertale, and undyne got murked by genocide frisk||

lunar veldt
halcyon tendon
#

Oh

lunar veldt
#

Also probably specify at the start that it's a chapter 4 spoiler

halcyon tendon
#

thought it was safe considering no real dr spoilers were shown

#

but fair point

lunar veldt
#

The implications though

#

||It'd be a bit odd to bring up Gerson mid-conversation||

halcyon tendon
#

fair

silent dock
#

does anyone have a gif of IMAGE_DEPTHS

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honest nest
#

i don't think anyone's made that

unique phoenix
silent dock
#

it's true but I don't like it

unique phoenix
#

||not to powerscale but Frisk kinda just dogwalks everything in DR||

halcyon tendon
#

truth nuke sadly

#

||a man dreams to be blind, thinking gerson solos all of ut/dr/uty||

unique phoenix
#

||you go pacifist, they become immortal, you go no mercy, they get the strength to kill worlds||

silent dock
#

well, it's a lot of channelling your own power through them in genocide
to this world, you're an eldritch horror that time or death don't apply to

molten sigil
silent dock
#

although I think if frisk, just frisk, only had one shot at it, they would definitely die to undyne

molten sigil
#

||the only moment we ever see frisk's personality is in the true pacifist ending, when we're asked a question that the player couldn't realistically answer||

silent dock
molten sigil
#

||when they're asked for their name||

silent dock
#

oh, right

#

we also see their personality in uh

#

that one scene in undyne's house

#

if you point to the soda frisk will "look like they don't actually want it"

molten sigil
#

oh, yeah

#

in contrast, ||kris constantly resists the soul's influence on them||

#

||to the point where they literally have a routine of ripping out the soul to do whatever they want to do, even though it's physically debilitating to them||

#

||it's not even entirely because they're following the knight's orders, they binge ate toriel's pie when escaping at the end of chapter 1 and made themselves chocolate milk during carol's call in chapter 4||

silent dock
#

trying to be a terrible person but this kid I'm possessing keeps changing their tone to make it sound like a joke

silent dock
honest nest
#

||NOT MY FAULT I COULDN'T EAT THE FRICKING PANCAKES!!!||

halcyon tendon
#

man i remember constantly replaying uty’s pacifist final boss to prep for chapters 3 and 4

#

||all that time of fighting Ceroba did the bare minimum for when i fought the Knight||

silent dock
molten sigil
#

y'know

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we don't know ||who the narrator, the person writing the text boxes for the player to interact with, is||

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it's totally possible that ||the text box person is the overarching game narrator, or someone else entirely||

silent dock
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I feel like at least some of it is kris

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actually, there might be some more evidence for that theory in chapter 4:
||during the sections where our soul is separated from kris, there's not a single "narrator" text box, unless I'm misremembering?||

unique phoenix
silent dock
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oh right! and also the amalgamates

unique phoenix
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||there was a whole thread about Frisk showing their personality a few days ago, lemme see||

silent dock
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that one part in the true lab, with the shower curtain? frisk resists our pressing foward in that room

molten sigil
unique phoenix
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||it’s true that players get to pick what actions Frisks make, but how they go about making these actions is in Frisk’s hands||

molten sigil
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wait

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that'd be why ||a lot of the act options are frisk being really performative, especially in the mettaton fight||

unique phoenix
silent dock
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I guess yellow human children are just absolutely loaded with charisma in the undertale/deltarune verse

unique phoenix
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Frisk was the rizzler before the rizzler was even born

molten sigil
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it does make a lot of sense considering ||frisk is a child who presumably was having a lot of fun in the underground and not grasping the intensity of the situation most of the time||

unique phoenix
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||nah they get it, I think. They just remain determined. Whether you allow them to be kind is up to you.||

molten sigil
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||i guess it might be because they have a positive outlook on things||

unique phoenix
silent dock
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why are yall spoilering these anyway

molten sigil
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habit

silent dock
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fair

molten sigil
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this was also the point where undyne was like, super fucking scary

unique phoenix
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I think you’re meant to interpret No Mercy as an explicit corruption of Frisk’s character. Unlike the other routes where the New Home mirror will say “despite everything, it’s still you,” No Mercy routes will instead make it say, “It’s me, [player]”

silent dock
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right

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in that sense, you've completely erased their personality, they're just a self insert protag now

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at least, to your eyes

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and that step "they" take towards sans near the end, is more so your own deisres channelling through them

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also all those slashes "they" do on their own, it's what you want

molten sigil
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presumably, frisk never realizes that they're being corrupted

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they probably would've ||fought back like kris does in deltarune|| if they were aware of it

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the big question i think is this

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what happens to human souls when there isn't a player controlling them?

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the player isn't controlling frisk until they fall into mt ebott at the beginning of undertale, they went there on their own

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and in deltarune, ||the narrator explicitly mentions that you can't choose who you are in the world before your vessel gets discarded and you take control of kris||

unique phoenix
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well i dont think we can know

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Given the whole intentional metanarrative of undertale/deltarune acknowledging the player as an active member

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It’s kind of like the tree falling paradox

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or whatchamacallit

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These worlds only exist through the lens of an observing, contributing player

silent dock
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chapter 6 spoilers

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chapter 6? deefear

pearl bridge
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Its a meme

opal pumice
honest nest
opal pumice
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||like that circle of wafers that used to venerate the organikk statue now threaten to kick its ass after it just begins spouting its usual philosophical nonsense (for what it's worth the organikk is pretty thrilled at the prospect of being beaten up by their honorable 'ancestors')||

opal pumice
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it might be that ||because the narrator of this game knows the player behind the soul has played undertale before, they give them options that align with what happened in undertale||

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like ||why is kris given the option to ask sans about his brother out of nowhere||

silent dock
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I think that one is more about forgetting that you didn't speak to sans in chapter 1/started from a chapter 2 file

balmy bridge
little jewel
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||Indianapolis?||
||Ohh, I HATE Indianapolis.||

strong light
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There’s a characterization crisis in the fandom

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I’m so glad these people aren’t making this game

silent dock
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chapter 4
HEY SO THAT'S INTERESTING

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||since uh I don't think they ever use 愛 for it in Undertale, just LV and LOVE like in English right?||

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||ah so they mention it's あい too, but still is very vague (and they also use ラブ)||

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||also keep in mind there is stuff they keep in English in JP version of Deltarune already too sometimes, including full-on lines ('The tale of DELTARUNE' and 'Lost Lost Lost girl' (I am not gonna try to properly format that lol) moments) so it isn't like they couldn't do that||
||this isn't to say it 'couldn't' be LOVE, it just is unlikely to be that specifically (wouldn't really make sense either way unless maybe on Weird Route either) and is definitely not 'confirmed'||

honest nest
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i don't think people should really prioritize the japanese versions of text in deltarune like we do with kirby, since unlike kirby the japanese version isn't the original

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and i don't think toby fox is the kinda guy to put information exclusively in a localization of his game unless something literally can't be described any other way
like how the "Can I speak to G..." fun event in undertale was just kept in english to avoid revealing any more of "G"'s name

timber spoke
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yeah

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||and either way i still don't think noelle is the girl in the prophecy||

timber spoke
timber spoke
honest nest
timber spoke
timber spoke
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||worth noting Winglade is also a Quill Pen in the Light World||

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||The thing is though, Noelle can actually equip some specific swords (the Jingle Blade and Black Shard) if you hack her into Chapter 4||

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||At the moment I would say it's still too early to say anything definitive, but I am leaning towards Noelle being the girl||

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||Something notable about kris’s soul is that noelle explicitly mentions they are weak and shaky without it. A lot of people speculate that the red soul is the players soul but i personally think its more along the lines of kris having our thoughts projected into them forcefully. It would make more sense overall||

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||I interpret it as like. We were given possession of their soul through some gaster bullhonkey. My guess is Kris made a deal with a demon and it led to this happening (more spamton parallels yay)||

safe abyss
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||Kris used to have their own soul, but it was replaced by ours.
That's my theory||

molten sigil
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the question is ||if kris was being controlled before the events of deltarune, who they were being controlled by||

twin dove
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||also the 'weak and shaky' thing doesn't sound like a normal thing with how she says it? sounds like it was more of an in-the-moment thing at the very least||

twin dove
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||no 'weak and shaky' is in the Weird Route Chapter 4 lines about their voice||

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||Im pretty sure she mentions their movement being weird as well during that period they lacked their soul||

timber spoke
twin dove
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||Also personally I just dont think toby would go the route of “oooo its the PLAYERS literal soul in the game”, it makes a bit more sense if its kris’s soul being puppeteered by us. Otherwise it brings up questions like where did kris’s soul go.
Also its likely kris has been bashing their own soul even without our control for a long while, as the birdcage has stains on it even before we start.||

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||It could be a metaphor for depression or self loathing, as kris is in a pretty tight spot in their life and doesnt have the best self image.||

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||think it could be either, but I don't think there's anything really pointing towards specifc one rn (but tbh I don't think either would change much in grand scheme of things)||

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||other than the opening of Chapter 1 obviously||

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||but even that is mostly vague||

safe abyss
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||I feel like if it is Kris' soul then it isn't really "being controlled", but was moreso overwritten with us||

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||Like Kris' save file||

rich bison
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I'm working on a lil ramb secret boss thing

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It'll be done in a day or few

fickle otter
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:(

north jetty
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So someone in another server was talking about some random bad Sonic fan game, and they kept misspelling a character's name... so I had a silly idea

||Susie after realizing why Kris is working with the Knight:||

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north jetty
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Feel like it would've been easier if ya just wrote "they" over "he"...

safe abyss
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It's funnier to make it look shitty

north jetty
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Fair enough lol

lyric surge
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||Water ENemies from|| Chapter 4 @gilded warren

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sorry 4

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i meant 4

gilded warren
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||I've seen a lot of ch3 but I don't know what you're talking about
I probably have seen them tbh just don't remember||

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||Oh I haven't seen chapter 4 stuff (I don't mind spoilers so dw)||

lyric surge
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well tell if you like them :]

gilded warren
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||omg that's a Primarina kinnie||
Peak

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||BRIONNE
TRIPLE PEAK
BRIONNE MY BELOVED||

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||Me when I've mentioned Primarina like 5x more than Brionne in this server but I love Brionne 50x more||

lyric surge
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Hell Yeas

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knotty pawn
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Chapter 4 ||is there a chance that gerson returns in castle town?||

silent dock
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No

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Wait how far in are you

knotty pawn
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Ive beaten it

silent dock
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Ok good just checking

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But yeah no, ||Ralsei, specifically said that couldn't work||

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Re: the ||Soul|| conversation from last night:
||It's pretty clear that we the players are a demon, in the sense that Kris performed (or at least thinks they performed) a ritual to summon one and got us. But sort of like the Japanese concept of a shinigami, being a "demon" doesn't make us "evil" necessarily. ||

timber spoke
# knotty pawn Really?

||"Darkners patterned after the memory of a loved one...", "Tend to only appear in very specific darknesses.", "... even if we tried to bring him to Castle Town, he..."||

frosty hare
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I believe this because ||during the weird route our actions are of a textbook western demonic nature - possessing a person against their will, corrupting a "pure" young girl, etc. But also because all the language the game uses to describe "The Angel" has a rather negative connotation. The "Angel's Heaven" is something we have to "banish."||

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That's why I believe rather strongly in ||DessKnight,|| because ||I think the Angel is currently possessing her the way that we possess Kris. What's more, I think Dess got possessed in the process of protecting Noelle, as Noelle is frequently associated with angelic imagery. Noelle was supposed to become "the Angel," but Dess jumped in the way. The Roaring Knight is born.||

knotty pawn
timber spoke
opal pumice
nimble jetty
opal pumice
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that said the ch 1 'good to see you again' choice is definitely the game knowing the player went through undertale before

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dang he had these beats in mind way back then

fathom canopy
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why the long face

opal pumice
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frankie hair susie is neat methinks

honest nest
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||the fact that he said "less edited" and not "unedited"||

rich bison
honest nest
rich bison
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perhaps we can burgle?!

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oh

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unfortanute

pearl bridge
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Thinking about how in the weird route ||its possible to leave Kris with just 8 hp in the overworld I think?||

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||With the chocolates, the crashout and making them bite their own hand at the church piano||

unique copper
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||Every time I see this stupid fucking pumpkin i lose braincells ||

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chapter 4 ||https://www.rxddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/1lmtvwd/a_chapter_4_enemys_act_may_contain_future_ost/||

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A Chapter 4 enemy's act may contain future ost titles
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I noticed this back around release and no one has really discussed this yet, so I thought I'd make a post about it.

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(discord embed only shows like half the post lol)

rough frost
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knotty pawn
twin dove
unique copper
balmy reef
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I beat chapter 4

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||YOUR LONG TO TO||

untold kite
strong light
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Wonder who that is. You should really catch it.

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Chapter 3 final boss

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rough frost
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||What are the shadow guys supposed to be anyways||

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||Censor bars?||

unique phoenix
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||In my mind they’re sorta meant to represent channels and programs “for adults,” whether it’s entertainment that’s ‘boring’ or too mature||

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||hence the guns and saxophones and 60s noire whatevermafuck||

honest nest
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rough frost
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||I feel like the fact they don’t talk is meant to be them being censored||

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||… or the fact they’re from a silent movie||

honest nest
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yeah lol

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(i am legally allowed to use this gif unspoilered since it's from a deltarune status update from like 2 years ago)

safe abyss
fathom canopy
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||After chapter 3 the figures on the windowsills disappear||

fathom canopy
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You always know that they're there when you watch TV but you don't really know how they look like so they might as well be generic 70's man

safe abyss
fathom canopy
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Oh shit

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What were those things even

safe abyss
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||I think just generic action figures or decorations||
||And since we as the player only see them as silhouettes that's what the Darkners look like||

fathom canopy
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||That makes me wonder what came first, the concept of shadowguys or the sprites of those things||

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||Toby putting random little guys on the house with no given explanation in 2018 so 7 years later they could become the shadowguys||

safe abyss
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||Also apparently after 4 turns pass against a Shadowguy there is a 2/201 chance their turns get skipped because "this bullet pattern has been censored by the MPA."||

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||I have seen no images or videos of this||

rough frost
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||So they ARE censors||

honest nest
safe abyss
honest nest
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My Deltarune predictions:|| Tenna is shorter than the shortest man alive, has very flat colouring, is way too shy for a game show host, and hates people watching him (he gets embarassed)||

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||Also his nose is very round, like Yoshi||

old bramble
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Random thing I'm thinking about
||I hope they add an option to toggle different songs for castle town later on. I mean we literally got the music guys guaranteed in any save file and yet they don't use them for this purpose and it seems kinda silly. Like lemme at least swap between My Castle Town and My Funky Town. Ideally let you play other songs throughout the adventure as well but bare minimum should be able to swap between those two||

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||music guys were honestly my least favorite part of the game||

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||cant even listen to half the soundtrack in ch2 castletown and they do nothing for ch4. also you cant even listen to said soundtrack after you leave their shop, it has to be in the building||

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||that and their battle is tedious and the game uses their leitmotif a bit too much imo||

old bramble
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||Lowkey I like listening through the entire deltarune ost sometimes and MAn their songs clog up chapter 2 lmao. I don't hate em but there's so much of their leitmotif lol||

untold kite
timber spoke
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||her....||

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||also god I wonder what they're gonna do for music in Chapter 5, Chapter 4 does have some music-related enemies like Organikk and Wicabel at least; would be funny if they made it Church-sounding lol||

silent dock
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||I'm wondering if they'll change the battle music again
probably, right? since the one in chapter 4 is very much based around the music in chapter 4 specifically||

frosty hare
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||Unless the Sanctuary motif shows up a lot more frequently, it would make sense to change. Then again, the new battle theme is called "from now on."||

calm furnace
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End of chapter 4

untold kite
untold kite
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Uhh not quite sure what it'd be specifically so imma just say chapter 3 + 4 spoilers to be safe

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pearl bridge
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Its not even a spoiler

molten sigil
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wait a god damn second

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you know how in undertale, the spare color is yellow

final tendon
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or pink!

molten sigil
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but if you talk to the froggit a bunch it changes it

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to

final tendon
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or white!

molten sigil
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pink?

fickle otter
final tendon
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no longer "that open season gif" 💔

fickle otter
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Ehhhh

lyric surge
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oh so thats the original

knotty pawn
little jewel
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planning to do a silly drawing for a DR/UT loving friend that's basically just going to be me in a gambling hall counter with a ridiculously big sign above it listing off gambling odds for a variety of Deltarune predictions/theories, here is what I have so far (SPOILERS, OBVIOUSLY)

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please feel free to suggest any additions or changes I should make

fathom canopy
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||1:1 jockington grows the beard||

safe abyss
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||I feel a Sans fight isn't that unlikely||

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||Probably not a very important boss, but a miniboss or something feels possible||

little jewel
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||Of course, I also did clarify that a serious Sans fight would be much smaller odds wise.||

little jewel
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||I'd probably put the odds on the lower end of the list, however, just on the basis of neither of them having unique talk soundclips. It would be nice to have each classmate minus Temmie get a chance to shine, tbh||

safe abyss
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||We know someone will be jealous (almost definitely Asgore), so having the guy he's probably jealous of show up would be smart||

little jewel
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||Fair enough, I think right now it's up in the air. I think right now my safest bet regarding all that is Toriel actually doing something in a Dark World that isn't sleeping lmao||

safe abyss
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||In general I think it's been all but confirmed Sans was from Deltarune originally at this point, so he'll probably have at least some role||

frosty hare
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||Is Sans just here to stand around until he gets sucked into another dimension? He doesn't mean anything to this story.||

safe abyss
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||Yet.||

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||I don't know why either, but the evidence points to something, so I gotta follow that train of thought||

inland dagger
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||theres definitely gonna be some kind of relevance to it at some point||

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||signs wouldnt point to it if it wasnt gonna be relevant id think||

little jewel
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||I did make a point to have my prediction be one specific route leading to Undertale happening, instead of it happening in general||

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||My specific prediction is that Undertale is basically the world/universe "resetting" because of something seriously fucked happening to DR's world||

pearl bridge
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||I dont think its quite that. That'd make it a direct prequel to Undertale when its called a parallel story||

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||Okay it'd be a prequel anyways if it shows Sans going to Undertale||

inland dagger
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||well yeah||

little jewel
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||That's why I'm predicting the leap to UT only happens on one route||

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||I feel like having Weird being the catalyst seems like a Toby thing to do. Sure, being pacifist leads to a much happier outcome, but I could see the burning question of "how does UT's world truly connect" mirror the curiosity people had with No Mercy in UT itself.||

silent dock
frosty hare
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||We already have the really bizarre use of "The Place Where it Rained" not having anything to do with Sans in this game.||

inland dagger
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||i do think that theres an oddly short amount of time left in the plot if sans is going to become relevant but also theres so many signs for the theory that itd be frankly appalling for it to be not followed up on||

pearl bridge
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||our reports showed a massive anomaly in the timespace continuum.
timelines jumping left and right, stopping and starting...||

||until suddenly, everything ends.||

||heh heh heh...
that's your fault, isn't it?||
Where the fuck did he learn of this

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||❤️ Me||

silent dock
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technically not our fault though, he's wrong about that

inland dagger
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||also the whole line abt "its not worth it to go back anymore and the surface isnt appealing either" or something along those lines||

silent dock
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which means it must be flowey, since he will always have done his timeline shenanigans before we arrive, no matter the route

inland dagger
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||like the fact toby wrote that line back in 2015 and kept it in surely meant something||

silent dock
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for sure

final tendon
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||also sidenote i did ch4's weird route segment yesterday and i got the red dot instead of the cracks so ig console deltarune hasnt updated fully|| ch4 weird route

silent dock
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||evil red pixel||

pearl bridge
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||i know your type.
you're, uh, very determined, aren't you?
you'll never give up, even if there's, uh...
absolutely NO benefit to persevering whatsoever.||

||He's not talking about flowey here. He'd only know if he saw Flowey's ire to him, but otherwise he wouldn't be aware of his battles against Flowey||

silent dock
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no, I agree with you there

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but he is incorrectly attributing the timelines jumping about to us

pearl bridge
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What?

silent dock
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I mean I'm just gonna repeat myself if I try to be more clear

pearl bridge
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Oh I didn't see the above

frosty hare
inland dagger
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||theres almost no reason for toby to not follow up on it. hes not goddamn scott cawthon and going to leave it hanging like its that stupid locked box||

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||im sure he'd find a way to make it work for the plot||

silent dock