Deltarune Ch3&4 Spoiler Thread

[split elbow]

beat both chapters

no stuff missed (i think)

both routes

yay

[pliant loom]

So guys what is your chapter ranking?

Mine is 3 1 2 4

[fathom canopy]

hey chat there's something about chapter 3 that has me a bit confused? Spoilers for the whole chapter
||Who, or what, is Ramb? They definitely seem to be the freedom guy of the chapter and they mysteriously disappear after getting the mantle, with the dust bunny in the room mentioning that something terrible happened to them while we were away. I feel like I may have missed some dialogue explaining what's up with em||

[pliant loom]

Note nothing in here is bad

Diet god is still god

[fathom canopy]

3 < 1 < 2/4
I think 2 and 4 both excell in vastly different ways since they have wildly contrasting tones

[honest nest]

unused chapter 3
||so apparently the "cancelled cowboy show" was referenced in the game... but the part where it was referenced was also cancelled
...damn||

[pliant loom]

||the game sections in 3 just drag||

[split elbow]

worst to best or vice-versa

[honest nest]

||oh my god it was even a cowboy PUPPET show||

[pliant loom]

Worst to best

[split elbow]

yeah makes sense

[fathom canopy]

||3 has some pacing issues and the secrets are kinda bullshit||

[pliant loom]

||friend inside me real!||

[honest nest]

||friend inside me fake 😔||

[silent dock]

||he'll always live on in our hearts||

[fathom canopy]

||inside our hearts...||

||he will forever be our friend||

[nimble jetty]

(late chapter 4) ||oh god||

yeah this boss is tough LOL

[honest nest]

||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IoctSayKfa8|| looks like someone else beat me to it

[silent dock]

I was just watching that, hehe

[unique copper]

oh cool thanks!

[unique copper]

||honestly i agree, 3 is definitely my least favorite chapter so far||

[north jetty]

I haven't played 3-4 yet

But from what I can tell, 3 seems like it'd be REALLY fun and charming the first time,

And really fucking tiring on repeats

[unique copper]

yeah that’s about right

[honest nest]

chapter 4 weird route
||https://fxtwitter.com/EetsSeemple/status/1931460019456979009 https://fxtwitter.com/neoShootingstar/status/1931471599171178566 sooo... yeah||

SimpleeEllis DELTARUNE SPOIL!!!!!!!!! (@EetsSeemple)

WAIT OH MY GOD. That's the same red pixel that was found on one of the sweepstakes 2 pages, when you clicked on it it would take you to a page full of audio files that were "m.mp3" and "e.mp3". And each "m" was layed out like a keyboard to say "thank you."

Quoting Spunky Tunky (@SpunkyTunky)
︀
Toby Fox Removing The Snowgrave asset due to fandom misinterpretation is the funniest thing that could've happened on day 3 of the Ch 3+4 being out if I'm being so fr, like how do you go from a falling rose to THE EVIL RED PIXEL ON THE SCREEN.

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FxTwitter · Jun 7, 2025, 9:15 PM

8byte (@neoShootingstar)

@EetsSeemple 😉

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FxTwitter · Jun 7, 2025, 10:01 PM

[covert nest]

|| I might have found a glitch, I started the mike event to where you get the hand thing but I realised I didn’t get the mouse controller thing on my switch 2 so I got the switch 2 version but when loading my save from the mouse thing it caused an error ||

[honest nest]

if you got an actual genuine error i think it's a good idea to report it to the devs

[unique copper]

||there’s just a LOT of mandatory dialogue and cutscene stuff, and very little exploring
And a lot of the secrets feel kinda unfair||

[covert nest]

||yh checking technical support now||

[round olive]

Late Chapter 3
||If you win Lancer from the Gumball machine, he’ll be in your inventory even when petrified lol||

[bitter light]

||friend inside me canceled due to leaks||

[silent dock]

chapter 4 spoiler
OH MY GOD
||SOMEONE I KNOW WAS JOKING ABOUT THIS A WHILE AGO LMAOOOO||

||they're joking about gerson resurrecting as a darkner thanks to their dust||

[honest nest]

||https://fxtwitter.com/koekonaut/status/1931182011613577589|| chapter 3

k (@koekonaut)

deltarune spoilers////
︀︀
︀︀I JUST FUCKIN REALIZED BHAHAHAHAHA

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FxTwitter · Jun 7, 2025, 2:50 AM

[honest nest]

||"single room"||

[round olive]

||Should’ve said “enjoy my single piece of dialogue” smh||

[silent dock]

chapter 4

[old bramble]

Reallll

Ch 3 ending
||Anyone else hear martlet's theme in black knife or am I just insane lmao. I know it wouldn't be intentional... but I swear if martlet were a toby fox character I would assume it were intentional y'know lmao||

[opal pumice]

so a thought i've had for a bit now

so ||the odd controller's meant to be the knockoff controller right?||

[old bramble]

I wanna say so yeah

[opal pumice]

||and it's described as having pink and yellow buttons||

it just kinda came to mind because i remember an old stream of ch 1 i watched a long while back and the streamers' reacton to that knockoff controller bit is 'yeah, the madcatz controllers!'

(not that madcatz is (or was, rather) the only manufacturer of off-brand gaming peripherals, but it does seem to be the most recognizable one of those from that generation of gaming)

so ||would that be another friend - cat connection||

[old bramble]

||That would be gigabrain foreshadowing if intentional 👀||

[molten sigil]

does anyone know what the shadow crystal text is in chapters 3 and 4?

[old bramble]

Damn ok why does it not embed the spoiler properly when forwarded

Whatever lol

[merry swift]

can't believe spamton got two divorces in his lifetime

[balmy reef]

Man I love this face

Man also the music slaps

It's probably the best music in the game

[round olive]

Chapter 4 secret

||https://youtu.be/WM3SuMzl0eM?||si=507dOREVzwWGYoEL
||carpet||

[old bramble]

Ayy nice

[silent dock]

||chapter 3 dark world: "You thought you saw the television get smashed to pieces"
chapter 3 light world: impossible to see in game because you never get to open your inventory, but see the image below

chapter 4 dark world: "You thought you saw the lobby of the church"
chapter 4 light world: "You thought you saw Noelle close against you, whispering"||

[molten sigil]

very, very interesting

[balmy reef]

https://youtu.be/iqoYq4x0RQw?si=zOSDQe83DuJWofvr I love this track

[pearl bridge]

Spoiler tag. Please

You haven't been spoiler tagging

[safe abyss]

||do you think Noelle's mother Carol is a Roaring Knight?||

[old bramble]

||it's either carol or dess but I'm leaning toward dess. one reason why is that her being a parallel to asriel and his demonic transformation from undertale would be sick lol. also the sword looks like a bat||

[merry swift]

||yeah, definitely leaning more towards dess||

[pearl bridge]

||I was convinced it was Carol before but...now im not so sure||

[merry swift]

||part of the reason i don't think it'll be carol is because unless some trickery is at play here, i don't think she would've been able to do all the things the knight did and then go to the holidays' house, and then continue doing knight things||

[untold kite]

||It's obviously papyrus in a reindeer costume ||

[nimble jetty]

||The asriel parallel makes me think it’s dess, especially witj all the references to dess in chapter 2 and relation to kris||

[silent dock]

chapter 4 weird route
||it's been THREE DAYS😭||

[nimble jetty]

VERY LATE CHAPTER 4 ||im gonna cry||

also late ch4 ||where did his icon go||

late ch4 ||MY SILLIES||

INSANELY LATE CHAPTER 4 ||waoh...||

VERY LATE CHAPTER 4 ||I'm not crying... you're crying!||

END OF CHAPTER 4 ||holy fucking shit||

hold on

hang on.

is there a place to save before chapter 4 final boss? in case I quit the game

[pearl bridge]

(Chapters 3 and 4)
||The Shadow Crystals coming from the knight seems to be the reason why The World Revolving randomly has the Nightmare Knight motif...but im thinking...is it really the knight that's giving the shadow crystals themselves to the secret bosses?||

[fathom canopy]

||Old man was "given" a shard and "told" to use it||

||I think it could be the knight like "hey random turtle can you use this to kill Susie ok thanks" and old man going "lol no?"||

[pearl bridge]

||What's making me think this way is that Seam knows about the knight, yet doesn't say that it was the knight who drove jevil mad||

||Well its ambiguous, but curiously so||

[fathom canopy]

||the king does say that it was jevil who met the knight, not him||

[pearl bridge]

O

H

When????

[fathom canopy]

||he says that if you interact with him with tenna on the castle town||

||it's a cute interaction||

[pearl bridge]

||This is...curious....then what the hell is the deal with Spamton||

[fathom canopy]

||basically lancer gets tenna to be the king's new jester, and the king speaks a bit about jevil||

[pearl bridge]

||Who the hell was spamton calling then????||

[fathom canopy]

||maybe the same person that was talking to Kris via phone||

[pearl bridge]

||Carol||

||WAIT. SPAMTON DOES KNOW A LITTLE ABOUT THE KNIGHT||

[nimble jetty]

hold on, I just noticed something about the game design in endgame chapter 4 that makes me mad.

||WHAT DO YOU MEAN THERE IS NO SAVE POINT IN THAT LITTLE SPACE AT THE BOOK CASE WHERE YOU BATTLE THE TITAN SO YOU CAN SKIP THAT WHOLE CLIMBING SECTION????||

[pearl bridge]

||SPEAKING OF [communion]||

[nimble jetty]

I cant quit the game dude

[balmy bridge]

AINT NO FUCKING WAY...

[pearl bridge]

||So...if the guy Spamton was calling was the Knight...does this confirm KnightMayor?||

[nimble jetty]

||THATS SO GENIUS||

[fathom canopy]

||It's interesting, tenna wanted to know the secret to spamton's "success", which was related to whoever was calling him, tho when tenna picked spamton's phone, all he could hear was garbage noise (gaster connection)
However, if the caller was actually the knight/carol... Then tenna actually was killed by the very key to being a big shot||

Big spoilers for chapter 3

And 4

[pearl bridge]

||Carol calling spamton would make another direct parallel to Kris as well||

[fathom canopy]

Another thing

||spamton's existence is directly connected to Noelle||

[pearl bridge]

||Well the parallel exists anyways but it becomes a lot more blatant as to why Kris is creeped out by Spamton||

[pearl bridge]

[fathom canopy]

tldr ||the holidays are the center of everything ever||

[pearl bridge]

||BUT THEN WHAT DOES THIS MAKE OF THE WEIRD ROUTE. WHAT WOULD CAROL/KNIGHT EVEN THINK ABOUT IT||

||BECAUSE SPAMTON INITATES IT ON THEIR OWN||

||With our help of course||

[fathom canopy]

||I kinda of have a theory
I think carol... Wants the weird route to happen. She wants Noelle to become stronger. Cuz carol herself... Is already sort of like that||

||but Kris... Doesn't?||

[pearl bridge]

||Kris wants Dess back. That is their desire.||

[nimble jetty]

alright im done for the night

holy shit

deltarune has made me cry 5 times in the past 3 days dude

wtf

These chapters were worth the wait

[nimble jetty]

Wait how

[nimble jetty]

||OMG WAIT YEAH THE PARALLELS||

[fathom canopy]

||carol addressing specifically YOU, not Kris, saying that you're welcome, even tho Kris DEFINITELY does not welcome YOU, and then being like "very well Kris we are looking forward to tomorrow" at the end of chapter 4 if you do snowgrave are part of the reasons I believe this||

[pearl bridge]

||Carol says that Noelle is looking forward to tomorrow.||

[fathom canopy]

Ok so basically during the spamton sweepstakes ||we learnt that spamton comes from a glitched cat that noelle created by messing around in her pet game. she created him by inserting some data from a mysterious email||

[fathom canopy]

yea that

[pearl bridge]

||Its hard to tell if Carol is in the know about Snowgrave.||

[nimble jetty]

||I see||

[nimble jetty]

||carol was born from a snowgrave||

||thats not canon but its funny||

[fathom canopy]

||carol I know you're snowgraves||

[nimble jetty]

these past few days have
officially put deltarune as my favorite game of all time

[fathom canopy]

It's a strong contender for me

[nimble jetty]

its between this and forgotten land

but when all is said and all is done

yeah it's deltarune ftw

cuz this is the only game to make me cry more than once

[fathom canopy]

||chapter 4 ralsei was heartbreaking||

[untold kite]

Chapter 3 secret ||So apparently you don't need to do everything perfect for the|| ||shadow mantle path||||, you can get it through either all S-Rank or all Z-Rank (worst rank) https://youtu.be/Kfdjv8zOLDA?si=sylycR_kxTHmCjx5||

[nimble jetty]

||IKR????? LIKE WTF||

my favorite character has gone from ||ralsei -> berdly -> tenna -> susie -> gerson -> ralsei|| in the span of 24 hours

[final tendon]

secret bosses
||the knight watching in horror as their ultimate attack suddenly gets parried by someone laughing like GYAA HA HA||

[fathom canopy]

||first in chapter 3 we get some glimpses of ralsei's self depreciating mentality and insane feeling of inferiority that raises some red flags... Then in 4 we get to see how desperate he is and how bad the situation is||

||ralsei's character compared to previous chapters had an insane jump in development||

[pearl bridge]

||"Lend me your power, Titan...this is BASE GERSON we're up against!"||

[fathom canopy]

||chapter 1 and 2 ralsei is a fine boy
chapter 3 and ESPECIALLY 4 bro needs therapy ASAP||

[pearl bridge]

||Something tells me that Ralsei might be the one who needs to be sacrificed for the prophecy|| CH4

[fathom canopy]

||saying "good. Keep smiling" to him during that one scene is like. One of coldest dialogue option in the game||

[fathom canopy]

||I suspect it might be either be the girl's love or the dark world as whole (and all of his inhabitants)||

||I'm leaning more towards girl's love (Noelle)||

||and if that's true, I wonder what could that mean for dess being gone...||

[pearl bridge]

||It means the Holiday household is cooked||

[quaint island]

ch3, do you guys hear a resemblance or is it a reach

[final tendon]

more secret boss spoielrs

[nimble jetty]

Chapter 3 ||tenna be like https://www.tumblr.com/smallpwbbles/785717802273226752/deltarune-chapter-3-spoilers-last-family-feud||

[pearl bridge]

||https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R8U5tnnCvQI || (Chapter 3, datamined)
What the fuck

[opal pumice]

wait how do you get here

[honest nest]

chapter 4 ||https://fxtwitter.com/ImagesDeltarune/status/1931222296120721511?t=WkPmIX1gXsD5n91rCn1tvw&s=19 WHAT THE HELL
THAT IS THE SECOND NON-GONER THAT HAS SHOWN UP THERE||

Media With Deltarune Music (@ImagesDeltarune)

little thing in chapter 4 that i saw a tweet about and wanted to clarify
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︀︀spoilers obviously

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FxTwitter · Jun 7, 2025, 5:30 AM

[safe abyss]

Is it okay to use cheats in Deltarune?

[round olive]

Chapter 3 optional dialogue

||Is this the only time Ralsei acknowledges Asriel’s existence?||

[opal pumice]

||technically he was never told to use it, old man just had a feeling someone wanted him to||

[honest nest]

what the hell
||black deer?? like the knight?? but somehow toriel causes this when everyone thought asgore caused dess's disappearance somehow??||

[pearl bridge]

||God...whatever happened to Dess will be the most gutwrenching thing ever, they've been building it up||

[opal pumice]

|| https://deltarune.wiki/w/File:Knight_battle_slash.gif#/media/File:Knight_battle_slash.gif ||

i gotta say ||something about this slashing stance makes me think of skating||

[pliant loom]

Who is top left?

[opal pumice]

||the shadow mantle holder in the sword route||

[pliant loom]

Ah

[opal pumice]

||next to that is "mike" (or rather "battat" mike/green pippins)||

[pliant loom]

I did that fight already

[opal pumice]

||i saw shayy go through the mike room and someone in chat called the green pippins 'pippins silva' once he pulls out the corkboard and i felt validated because that's what i thought when i first saw the fight on youtube||

[opal pumice]

||i also should note...doesn't dess have skates under her bed?||

[honest nest]

chapter 3 ||https://fxtwitter.com/lesbocean/status/1931444734616359394?t=eg2JdipqJi8UrJi5KyTDxw&s=19|| i swear every time i open twitter i see someone post some new obscure secret

mo 🪸🍉 working on zines! (@lesbocean)

@Bosslayer1234 @Eep_UTDR @Galacteasers my gf is asleep so i'll answer! the sc in the post is the only one i took when i found this but i reopened my game to take a vid. my steps were 1. input 1225 points into the ball machine (b room is lit up afterwards, idk if it affects anything?) 2. exhaust dialogue with ramb in>>

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FxTwitter · Jun 7, 2025, 8:14 PM

[opal pumice]

so current checklist for replay of the things i missed
ch. 3
||* t-rank room (i might not go for the z-room tho)

• other dialogues with ralsei and susie
• moss in board 2
• tenna's marathon bit
• bonus room and pipis wardrobe
• love wins room
• egg room
• ball machine 1225
• getting behind the ramb storefront
• beat the knight||
  ch. 4
  ||* 75% red 25% juice name
• mike room with everyone
• berdly phone
• missed soul vent scenes (kris piano, asgore and the shard)
• susie and noelle extended run dialogues
• library bird on the wait spot
• beat hammer of justice + upgrade ok heal
• a climb challenge room i missed initially
• play organ tunes
• egg room
• dog race room||

anything else i should be aware of

i should check if ||clicking 'don't click' on noelle's pc first before anything else is different||

oh and if ||something happens if i choose to think of what the knight's doing when susie gets the sheet music||

[round olive]

Chapter 3 optional dialogue

||Is this the only time Ralsei acknowledges Asriel’s existence? ||

||This is if you decide not to not watch what Susie is doing with Tenna, and decide to talk about Ralsei’s face instead||

[molten sigil]

i REALLY wonder ||why ralsei looks like asriel now, with the fact that he's now a way more fleshed-out character who isn't some kind of doppelganger and isn't upholding some kind of secret malicious facade||

[old bramble]

yay im done with both routes
now i can browse twitter and see all the spoilers i want

ch 4 ||I was really hoping ch 4 would bring noelle into the dark world if you were doing weird route - I'm a little sad we didn't get that. Maybe next chapter or smth||

[alpine dawn]

||the game is really pushing the red horns angle in the sword route, but i think there is 2 possible explanations
A.- Ralsei is Kris´s memory of Asriel younger-self, pure and uncorruptable
B.- Kris´s vision of what an idealize offspring could be, like, they believe this is what toriel wanted as an offspring instead of them
C.- is the red band but got alsrie´s fur stuck on it so it became like Asriel||

[jagged lotus]

||If the numbers in the website are anything to go by, seems like chapter 5 weird route might be even more messed up than chapter 4 was, which is kinda nuts considering what chapter 4 was... ||

[molten sigil]

that's probably because ||there'll be more noelle in chapter 5, the only reason chapter 4 was tame was because noelle isn't in 80% of it||

[old bramble]

speaking of ||that couch scene made me so uncomfortable 😭 like obviously but goddamn toby did not hold back on that||

other thoughts on chapter 4 i have to say it ||gerson is the best character in this game so far. coolest secret fight and he's just awesome. i love seeing sides of UT characters we never got before. Also really like that quiet banjo part of his song. Kickass||

[round olive]

3 only appears if you highlight it, right?

[opal pumice]

||well ch 4's number on the applicability listing was small||

[jagged lotus]

yeah (chapter 3 secret) ||That's probably because of how you get the mantle is very reminiscent of the weird route||

[opal pumice]

and also ||it's the point where the game gives you hints as to how to initiate the weird route if you haven't yet||

[round olive]

||It’s also probably how you’re meant to find out about the Weird Route on a full playthrough||

[opal pumice]

so question

would you consider ch 3 to be ||the end of the first act of this story|| or ||the start of the second act of this story||

[balmy bridge]

i mean

||its where the last of the silly stuff ends||

[final tendon]

HEAVY CHAPTER 3 SPOILER

[old bramble]

Something about this screenshot isn't right.
||It needs a big flashing highlight over the word "Darkner" and also gaster needs to be edited into the image somewhere||

[round olive]

||I mean chapter 4 still has silly stuff, but obviously it’s balanced with serious much more than the previous chapters||

[final tendon]

minor ch3 spoielr

[fickle otter]

I am a monster

Why did i name myself this

I feel sick

[gloomy onyx]

🥚

...Oh

...Oh did you-

[fickle otter]

Yes

And it’s just going to be worse now

Isn’t it

[gloomy onyx]

Well I guess you can say it will... ||snowball|| from here!

Hah.... ha.....
-# May god strip mercy from our souls

[final tendon]

erm
what the spoiler

[fickle otter]

|| https://tenor.com/view/deltarune-deltarune-chapter-4-kris-kris-deltarune-valid-crashout-gif-16159344894430269507 ||

Tenor is to blame

[final tendon]

lol yeah

[fickle otter]

In my language ||executor|| is called ||soulcontroller|| fu…

[round olive]

Chapter 4

Undertale Yellow

[balmy bridge]

Wholesome father and daughter...

||# GRINCH||

[final tendon]

||back in MY day everyone thought she was gonna be a gyftrot||

[balmy bridge]

Chapter 4

Guess whooo...

||Deltarune fans already lost it.||

[final tendon]

||GATSER||

||aka what i named myself and vessel in my new save file||

[balmy bridge]

You...

You're not supposed to do that somehow

[final tendon]

||name myself gatser?||

[opal pumice]

ch 4 spoilers

[balmy bridge]

Oh, I see now

[final tendon]

||GYAA HA HA||

[fickle otter]

Anyone

Does it usually say

“We” called it

To the vessel

||I called mine dess||

[silent dock]

latest patch dropped

[minor delta]

||I still cant get over this thing||

[old bramble]

||"a certain a boss"||

[silent dock]

||I don't even know which one he's talking about? is there a boss that gives you armor?||

[inland dagger]

||probably referring to the shadow mantle||

end of chapter 4 ||so chances are extremely likely that the chapter 5 dark world is in the flower shop with asgore involved in the plot in some way right?||

[fickle otter]

||or somewhere in the festival area||

[inland dagger]

||convieniently dark fountain shaped flower stall ran by asgore||

[torpid shuttle]

||this isn't true, that was the original interpretation but a q&a clarified that noelle is only a former contact of spamton's; she was the only one to ever open his spam emails (he sent her a pipis for cat petterz that broke the game)||

https://x.com/Fangamer/status/1571390954271277056?t=-9V-upXEkG5oGG4pvpkiUQ&s=19

only tagging these bc the message i'm replying to is tagged due to being related to a conversation about chapters 3 and 4. this is post-chapter 2 era (2022) stuff though so it should be safe to click^

[fathom canopy]

wth had no clue there was a qna

Thank you

[fathom canopy]

chat i was looking thru the files and found this does anyone know where this plays

i assume it must be in chapter 3

[silent dock]

chapter 4 end spoilers
|| https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/828939041785380884/1381072162617819146/m2-res_480p.mp4?ex=6846d7ee&is=6845866e&hm=a122a1c4180a3ee42789c8bea44ff1c5def7f849cb6bd58e7d169cecfbc6a986& ||

[torpid shuttle]

chapter 3 ||i'm pretty sure it's the dog ACT easter egg in the rouxls fight||

[fathom canopy]

the wha

i totally missed that

[torpid shuttle]

i did too i just found about it online lol

||i think if you wait long enough, an annoying dog button shows up in the ACT and when you choose it it shows an annoying dog smash reveal-like splash screen||

[fathom canopy]

insane

[inland dagger]

oh my god its real

ch3 ||i deadass thought it was a fake image going around||

[calm carbon]

Beat chapter 4 but uhhh I forgot to do the || Mike fight || I hope I'm able to do that in the next chapter or something

[old bramble]

||you can only do it after ch4 - you can just open up your file and go back and do it||

[inland dagger]

||considering mike is just in the castle town chances are they are able to be fought by then||

[calm carbon]

Oh ok kewl

I'll have to check that out then

[inland dagger]

||cant you do it before? as long as you type in the code to enter the room||

[old bramble]

oh actually not sure lol ||i only figured out the mic thing after the chapter||

[calm furnace]

Spoilers up to the end of chapter 4 lol

[calm carbon]

💀

[opal pumice]

||buble||

[minor delta]

||he’s kinda like Infinite from sonic forces, except not necessarily a joke||

[nimble jetty]

bro wishes he could ||aura farm|| as much as ||gerson||

[silent dock]

||yep, once you know the code you can do it as soon as the door shows up||

source: I did that on another save file

[silent dock]

||I love the extreme dissonance between people who have just finished chapter 3, being terrified of the knight; and people who did the secret boss and finished chapter 4, constantly roasting them||

||like the perception of this character changed so drastically over 24 hours||

[shrewd dove]

finally started ch4|| AND MY HEART IS MELTING AWWWWW||

||SUSIE AND KRIS REALLY DO DESERVE A TREAT AFTER THE BULLSHIT THE KNIGHT PUT THEM THRU||

||OMG TORIEL'S CHURCH CLOTHES ARE HER OLD UNDERTALE SPRITE ||

[south lion]

|| https://youtu.be/Yl_apbUsKg8?si=gcO-xVpeN_4d6tPq||

[honest nest]

https://hushbugger.github.io/deltarune/text/ the deltarune dialogue dump was updated to have all the text from chapter 3 and 4
WARING: because there's like thousands of lines of text it takes ages to load lol

[silent dock]

||oh, seems noelle has dialogue for the new equippable stuff
makes sense||

[old bramble]

I find it so interesting that she ||can flat out equip the black shard and candycane pencil. Coincidentally the "girl" in the prophecy also wields a sword...||

[silent dock]

||WAIT SHE CAN??||

[inland dagger]

||yeah she can||

||candycane pencil doesnt surprise me since its quite literally her own pencil but the black shard is hella fucking sus||

[honest nest]

WAIT WHAT HOW

||oh shit it's because the icon isn't actually a sword but the shard itself||

[silent dock]

||interesting as well since it's got that unique slash animation||

[inland dagger]

||the candycane pencil is still a sword btw in thr darkworld, just that noelle can equip it||

[pearl bridge]

Me when ||Noelle, the Knight's apparent relative, can equip the sword that comes from the Knight||

[inland dagger]

ch4 ||ive honestly been thinking that theres a decent chance the "monster girl" the prophecy speaks of was meant to be noelle||

||but somehow susie took her place among the party||

[old bramble]

||how heartbroken she's gonna be if she finds out the prophecy didn't choose her after all... but on the bright side she's the girl that gets to change fate which is cooler||

[inland dagger]

||it also adds a lot more questions about the weird route ||

[honest nest]

i know riiight

[inland dagger]

||ralsei does say that the monster girl of prophecy is supposed to be able to equip ribbons||

[honest nest]

chapter 4 ||https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7f1RK1m7qvc|| this is probably my new favorite area theme in the game. i definitely think it beats out field of hopes and dreams and pandora palace

[silent dock]

yess and the area it first starts playing in? hgfbhsdbgs amazing

[honest nest]

here is my INSANE!!!! deltarune chapters tier list

[silent dock]

yeah that's accurate

[honest nest]

from what i've seem most people seem to agree with this lol

[silent dock]

||I saw a theory that the prophecy can be interpreted in different ways, and maybe Carol is doing everything she can for Susie to be the girl from the prophecy, otherwise it would happen to Noelle instead||

||like she doesn't want whatever terrible fate awaits them to fall upon Noelle||

[inland dagger]

||gerson did say stories can always be reinterprered or something along those lines||

[honest nest]

oh. my god.

[silent dock]

||so she makes sure Susie is the hero instead||

[inland dagger]

||but at the same time Ralsei explicitly knows every detail of the prophecy||

[honest nest]

how do i make this about gaster

[silent dock]

actually speaking of

there seemed to not be that much gaster stuff this time around?

[inland dagger]

||not the specifics, since he would probably be specific if it were a dinosaur or deer monster or something, but ralsei knows stuff like "the final tragedy before the world is saved" and "the equipment the monster girl should be able to use"||

[silent dock]

||well then again, he knows the difference between what Susie should equip and what Noelle should equip||

[inland dagger]

||yeah thats a weird detail but its also like, the main thing thats evidence towards "susie isnt the girl of prophecy"||

[silent dock]

chapter 4 I think?
||WAIT WHAT||

[honest nest]

what in the hell is that from

ooh wait i think i know

||in the dark sanctuary, if you choose to not think about susie, you can think about the knight instead. it's probably that||

||really interesting that kris seemingly doesn't want you to know the knight's identity||

[silent dock]

||also basically confirms that they know who it is, if that wasn't 100% certain before||

[shrewd dove]

chapter 4 ||nice loredump about jevil from king. Also YIPEE QUEEN THE GOAT IS BACK ||

[torpid shuttle]

ch4 ||i can add to this since i've thought a lot about it - there seem to be two girls mentioned in the prophecy, each using different images. first comes "AND LAST, THE GIRL. AT LAST, THE GIRL." showing an image reminiscent of the Rude Buster's visual effect. this is what prompts Susie to continue walking and see the rest of the prophecy. immediately after this, we see "THE SECOND HERO, THE GIRL." who wields a sword. after this is the prophecy line that talks about how "LOVE FINDS ITS WAY TO THE GIRL.", showing the same image but with a heart on her||

ch4, ch2 & ch4 weird route ||my interpretation of this part of the prophecy is as follows:

• "AND LAST, THE GIRL. AT LAST, THE GIRL." refers to Susie, who really should not be here, but is the last piece of the "main route" prophecy. nothing else about the prophecy shown in the main path of the dark world ('optional' or 'skippable' prophecy sections such as hell's tail or Jockington are still very much viable) will come true as long as Susie is in the party as per the main route
• "THE SECOND HERO, THE GIRL." refers to Noelle (who may or may not be a stand-in for Dess, speculated to be the Knight), who LOVE finds its way into in the Weird Route||

[silent dock]

interesting

[inland dagger]

||oh wait why would it say "at last the girl" if she is the second hero in the prophecy?||

||man whoever wrote this damn prophecy needs to start differentiating their characters better smh||

[torpid shuttle]

||as i see it it's because Noelle doesn't join the party until after Susie does. but what I also mean to say here is that the weird route is the prophecy (or rather, that the prophecy is fulfilled in the weird route)||

[opal pumice]

as a one piece fan it's funny seeing deltarune get its own version of akainuposting

or shanksposting

[inland dagger]

||im not sure about the "weird route is the prophecy" thing but i can see the idea that the "at last was the girl" and "the second hero" did refer to two different characters||

[silent dock]

||the prophecy writer be like "I'm going to focus all my attention on describing lancer's exact wording, rather than silly details like 'who the heroes are' "||

[torpid shuttle]

||the thing that makes it for me is that "LOVE FINDS ITS WAY INTO THE GIRL" with a picture of "the girl" (who people speculate to be Noelle since she wields a sword and Noelle can wield the cane and the Black Shard) with a heart (SOUL imagery) seems to me like a nod to. LOVE. i.e. Level of Violence||

[silent dock]

||more like it can be interpreted both ways, depending on the route||

[inland dagger]

||i mean for all we know the prophecy does come to pass either way and the "monster girl" is just interchangable between the routes||

[torpid shuttle]

||I can see this too yeah, but there's a lot of nods to the weird route that make me think at the very least that the second hero is supposed to be Noelle||

[inland dagger]

||i just realized though that like, the 3 heroes are in the prophecy pretty explicitly and gerson wrote his stories based on that||

||and "the dragon" is susie||

[round olive]

https://tenor.com/view/your-mom's-a-your-mom's-a-grinch-mordecai-rigby-regular-show-gif-13030540204759339220

[inland dagger]

||who is, presumably, also still part of the three heroes in his books||

[round olive]

Someone should remake this gif with Kris and Susie

[inland dagger]

||the dragon being stopped in Lord of the Hammer's chapter 1 probably means there is a lot more detail about susie in the prophecy than we got to know considering how much that one snippet of gerson's writing managed to parallel susie's own arc in chapter 1||

[honest nest]

unused stuff
||oh shit there IS extra unused text in the code
i just somehow haven't seen anyone talk about it||

[silent dock]

oh yeah I checked that out and forgot to mention it

[honest nest]

||okay this is literally just the first time kris and susie enter the dark world lol||

whoops i cropped the image too much

[untold kite]

||Wait, when can you equip it on her?||

[inland dagger]

||via save editing||

[untold kite]

||aah okay||

[silent dock]

chapter 4 weird route
||just saw the old "equip" cutscene, why did they change it?||

[honest nest]

chapter 4 ||so apparently gerson boom is named after a smash bros match between 2 players named Gerson and SuPeRbOoMfAn, which lasted over 50 minutes due to "turtling". https://fxtwitter.com/sirthedaniel/status/1931639381548294492||

damiel 🥩 (@sirthedaniel)

//#deltarunespoilers deltarune spoilers
︀︀
︀︀fuckk i just noticed the secret boss who's named after two smash bros players doesn't allow items in battle. thats kind of funny

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FxTwitter · Jun 8, 2025, 9:08 AM

[inland dagger]

||i havent watched it myself but supposedly it mightve been changed due to people misreading what the wilting rose was meant to represent and toby didnt like people reading it as that||

[honest nest]

||some inappropiate stuff that probably shouldn't be discussed in detail a server like this one which was very obviously not the intention||

[silent dock]

oh I think I get it

ok yeah that's fair

[inland dagger]

||weird route is meant to be uncomfy and horrific but not in that way so||

[honest nest]

||and the single black pixel was already foreshadowed in the spamton sweepstakes too https://deltarune.com/chapter4/||

[silent dock]

yeah, I did make that connection

||it's just I didn't even know there was originally a different cutscene||

[shrewd dove]

||ch4 got into noelle house and WTF A SAVEPOINT||

[honest nest]

yeah toby said he added save points to the light world a while ago

||is the one in noelle's house somehow the first one you noticed?||

[shrewd dove]

||nope i noticed one outside as well||

[honest nest]

||so why the surprise||

[silent dock]

||yeah those are probably not canon, toby mentioned he really didn't want to put them in the game at first, but it was just too convenient||

[shrewd dove]

it was all in one message tbf

[honest nest]

😭

[shrewd dove]

Like ||i noticed the forst lightworld savepoint in the grass outside and i forgot toby said there was gonna be those her||

[calm furnace]

||https://fixupx.com/Dinosauriaetc/status/1931688076503359491||

Zhuchengtyrannus (@Dinosauriaetc)

#deltarunespoilers
︀︀// Deltarune spoilers
︀︀
︀︀It's funny that like a week ago this would have looked like a Deltarune shitpost

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Chapter 3

End of

[honest nest]

spoiler for Star walker ||https://fxtwitter.com/Macheesecheese/status/1931593399620010071 WHAT I DIDN'T SEE THIS ONE||

Maccheese - TEAM HORIZON (@Macheesecheese)

STAR <3<3
︀︀WALKER
︀︀
︀︀#DELTARUNE

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FxTwitter · Jun 8, 2025, 6:05 AM

[round olive]

Chapter 3
||Honestly I wish Toby used that unused sneaking song for those first few seconds where you move slowly while sneaking||

[unique phoenix]

ch3 secret ||as much as i'm stuck on the Roaring Knight, i fucking love this fight - even tho im getting my ass kicked im having the time of my life||

[honest nest]

same lol

[honest nest]

lol same

[fathom canopy]

been looking back to all of the ARG links from before the chapters released

cute

[honest nest]

true

[fathom canopy]

so i guess we know the band now

its not ||written by dess||

[honest nest]

||unless the band does include dess
because of those handmade and band posters in her room||

[fathom canopy]

oh that makes sense

im mostly looking for things related to dragon blazers so i can post my crackshot theory

https://deltarune.com/icepalace_glaceir/

||dragon blazers being inspired in lord of the hammer and lord of the hammer being inspired in the prophecy is driving me crazy||

||why is there a dragon blazers dungeon in the shadow mantle game||

[honest nest]

||basically there's a deltarune movie in-universe||

[fathom canopy]

chapter 3 and 4 spoilers btw

[honest nest]

it really is strange

[fathom canopy]

also ||this is making me wonder if the ice palace will be a dark world, the holiday mansion||

[silent dock]

it's pretty cool

it also means ||we can try and predict stuff that'll happen through any lord of the hammer, or dragon blazers mentions||

[fathom canopy]

||also... dragon blazers canonically has a weird route... which, like, yknow||

[honest nest]

||exactly what we're doing with gerson's dialogue about chapter 5 lol||

[silent dock]

||"it's like when your sister gets cursed in dragon blazers 2" tell me more susie, is this a potential argument in favour of dess knight?||

[fathom canopy]

||things that happen at the ice palace (according to dragon blazers): there's a fire monster, the wizard leaves your party, there's the lost woods area like in chapter 3, you can do the "evil route"||

||could this be chapter 6?||

||oh and ofc the ice party member is there||

[jagged lotus]

chapter 3 secret ||Just saw people pointing out that this room has 7 flowers and an enemy that throws red spears...||

[honest nest]

oh my god

[nimble jetty]

i beat the final boss

oh my god

[honest nest]

in chapter 1 ||we learned about the legend||
in chapter 2 ||we learned about the roaring||
in chapter 3 ||we fought the knight||
in chapter 4 ||we fought a titan||
so what the hell is chapter 5 gonna do

[honest nest]

chapter 4 i'm assuming?

[nimble jetty]

END OF CHAPTER 4 ||THE GOAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!||

[honest nest]

SHIT I JUST REALIZED I DIDN'T LOOK FOR THE MISPLACED PIXEL IN THE CHAPTER 4 FINAL BOSS ARENA

[nimble jetty]

chapter 4 end ||ABSOLUTE CINEMA||

[honest nest]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-toby-fox-deltarune-undertale-annoying-dog-gif-8008262428142715398

[nimble jetty]

dude i beat it in only 2 attempts today

holy fuck what a boss

[honest nest]

nicee

[nimble jetty]

chapter 4 end ||IM TEARING MYSELF APART OH MY GOD THIS HITS WAY TOO FUCKING HARD HOLY SHIT||

[shrewd dove]

CHAPTER 4 ||KRIS WHY TF WERE YOU TALKING TO THE KNIGHT AFTER YOU DISCARDED THE HEART??????||

||MY DUDE||

||WHY ARE YOU HELPING THE ENEMY????????||

[fathom canopy]

||i wonder if our choices will have any weight on ralsei's mental state in the next chapters considering we get plenty of opportunities to either make him feel better or way, way worse||

[nimble jetty]

(chapter 4) what an ending bros

the he

[fathom canopy]

oh... the tv

[untold kite]

||heya.||

[fathom canopy]

||is john fox ever going to adress how bringing the tv to metatton (or just leaving him at toriel's) moves tenna away from the castle town but not like, all of the other darkners who are part of the tv, like shuttah or the weather couple||

[nimble jetty]

ouughh

finally finished chapter 4

what a chapter

ohhhh okay

[shrewd dove]

ch4 ||mmm i dont trust kris anymore man||

[nimble jetty]

so tl:dr ||once you finish chapter 4, if you try to go back it takes you backj to before the titan||

||i assume you can skip this once ch5 releases?||

[shrewd dove]

||i get they hate us (the heart) but did they really had to go THAT far as to work with the knight...?||

[fathom canopy]

||i think they added that just in case you missed the mike fight||

||so you can do the little minigames while you wait for chapter five||

oh chapter 4 spoilers btw

[silent dock]

||actually, Kris usually stops you from saying anything mean through the way they say it
I urge you to look it up, it's pretty interesting!||

[fathom canopy]

oh i had no idea (no way in hell would i ever pick up those choices to even know)

[fickle otter]

||good. Keep smiling I casually said on the snowgrave route.

I want to die||

[silent dock]

||I couldn't, even on weird route||

[fickle otter]

||I hope toby wouldn’t be cruel enough to be able to break ralsei like noelle||

[final tendon]

||i love being evil i did that in 0.2 seconds||

[silent dock]

||anything mean that isn't necessary to progress that route I won't do

In other words, "I can excuse murder, but I draw the line at being mean"||

[fathom canopy]

||that scene in ralsei's room where you can straight up tell him that its wrong for him to have feelings like what the fuck||

[fickle otter]

[shrewd dove]

i couldnt

i refuse to be a bad person

[fickle otter]

It’s not worth it

[shrewd dove]

also ch4 ||i finally met noelle's mom...boy she sure looks homophobic||

[fickle otter]

||snowgrave breaks you like you break Noelle. Not worth it||

[shrewd dove]

||kris wtf you just ruined noelle's day ||

||bad nonbinary fella||

:l

[north jetty]

||I just realized||

[fathom canopy]

she knows what you are

[north jetty]

||Susie probably eats random shit like chalk and flowers||

[fathom canopy]

"probably"?

[north jetty]

||Not because of any specific motives,||

||But because she isn't fed at home||

[shrewd dove]

||she'll taste a good smack in the face eventually (if she's the knight that is)||

[north jetty]

||Just look at the shot of her room in the start of Ch3 and her blatant distain to her own apartment||

[shrewd dove]

ch4 ||are you happy kris? are you happy already? >:l||

[north jetty]

||SHE IS NOT CARED FOR, HER EATING OBJECTS AND BEING SO ENTHUSED BY THE THOUGHT OF REAL FOOD (like Toriel's pancakes and the church drinks) IS BECAUSE SHE'S NOT USED TO IT||

TOBY WHY

[shrewd dove]

Ch4|| guys i think carol IS the knight, why was she MUCH more nice to kris AND only kris?||

||she was the one on the phone||

[north jetty]

Assuming you're only in early Ch4 rn?

[shrewd dove]

"early"ish yes

[north jetty]

Ah

[shrewd dove]

||still on hometown||

[north jetty]

||Def could be Carol||

[shrewd dove]

||just passed the cutscene on noelle's house wher ekris ripped the heart out and had a "call2 with the knight||

[north jetty]

||But I'm leaning more towards the Dess knight theory ngl||

[shrewd dove]

||i dont trust carol atm||

[north jetty]

||OH CAROL IS DEF A THREAT||

||THAT IS OBVIOUS FROM THE GETGO||

[shrewd dove]

||like, sure susie didnt gave a damn and will keep donig whatever she wants with noelle but like.....she got here early BECAUSE KRIS CALLED HER||

[north jetty]

||But I don't think she's THE Knight||

[shrewd dove]

||I DONT TRUST KRIS ANYMORE||

||I'M FORCED TO WORK WITH SOMEONE WHO IS....probably getting blackmailed||

[north jetty]

||Okay but if Kris is corroborating with Carol,||

||Who's to say Carol isn't corroborating with the real knight?||

||Plus, for the knight's opening animation where they summoned the sword, it starts off looking much more like a bat||

||NOW WHO IN THE DELTARUNE WORLD DO WE KNOW AS A BASEBALL PLAYER||

[shrewd dove]

||maybe carol wants dess back, and she KNOWS kris will do all she says ||

[north jetty]

||Yeah, that's what I'm theorizing||

[shrewd dove]

||maybe kris isnt evil...but is not doing the best choices||

[north jetty]

||Dess is trapped in the dark world in some way, Carol and Kris are trying to bring about the roaring because they think it could somehow bring her back||

||Or smth like that||

[shrewd dove]

||maybe they think the knight can bring her back but they're both being deceived||

[north jetty]

||Look, the horns tell me the knight has to be either Dess or Carol||

||The initial baseball bat appearance of the sword makes me lean more towards it being Dess||

[shrewd dove]

||its a haltmann/susie situation i think||

[north jetty]

||So that's the theory I came up with through that info||

[pliant loom]

||he befriended your mom last night||

[north jetty]

||Dess is trapped in the dark world, she's fulfilling the role of the knight and working with Carol and Kris||

[shrewd dove]

||it makes sense, there is NO way carol woul'dve created a fountain in front of EVERYONE that obvious||

[north jetty]

||There is more I can add to either support or debunk this theory but
A. I need to think a little more thoroughly about them
B. I'm pretty sure it's info dropped in late Ch4, so I don't wanna spoil you before continuing with the discussion||

[shrewd dove]

its okay

[twin dove]

||I wonder if theres a reason that dark fountains havent been opened before, if its something that everyone can just do?
And just what makes the central fountain so special to the other ones?||

||Then theres also the question of why kris’s soul is so special in all of this, why is it the only thing able to “shine” and why cant the monsters do it?||

[north jetty]

||Prolly the classic "only humans can feel determination" for the second question||

[shrewd dove]

ch4 ||OH OK THE KNIGHT IS BACK||

[twin dove]

||Susie mentioned using determination when opening her fountain||

[shrewd dove]

||DUDE I JUST ENTERED THE DARKWORLD GIVE ME A FUCKNIG BREAK||

[north jetty]

Be sure to say hi to them!

[north jetty]

||Yeah true||

[shrewd dove]

||...if kris even DARES to do a thing ot them||

||considering the knight refused to harm badly kris and they just.........kneeled||

[north jetty]

||So you wanna know what happens if Kris hypothetically made it up and reached the knight?||

[shrewd dove]

||yep, i couldnt even get to the top||

||call it karma, kris....||

[north jetty]

||They just... stand there.

Susie keeps telling them to attack, and they don't.

Eventually Kris just lets themself get knocked down by the knight.||

[shrewd dove]

||KNEW IT||

||GODDAMNIT KRIS||

:((((((((((((((((((((((((

[north jetty]

||What an asshole||

||First they take all the pie Toriel made, then they team up with The Embodiment Of Destruction||

[pearl bridge]

||We've been double Kris-krossed||

[north jetty]

||Smh||

[shrewd dove]

||kris how could you ||

[pearl bridge]

(Chapter 3, secret boss, datamines)
||https://youtu.be/6jwYQ8HvDiY?si=X4jqL9WyO3pPnpIM ||

[twin dove]

||Honestly the only reason i could think of for kris’s soul being the one to seal fountains is something to do with the player or vessel. It is pretty interesting that the vessel creation screen is inside of a dark fountain, and we still dont know who dismissed gaster and put the soul back into kris.

Its likely its kris’s soul and not “the players” cause the cage has a lot of marks around it as if the souls been in there a bunch of times.

Personal theory is that whenever the central fountain was made gaster approached whoever made it (likely kris) through the darkness and encouraged him to make the vessel, we still havent seen the actual central fountain after all.||

[fathom canopy]

random crack theory chat chapter three and four spoilers and also undertale ||when ralsei is talking about the dark world lore in chapter 3 and he says the gaster quote and the almagamate shows up like 5 seconds after that, its making me wonder if, since the dark world can revive people as seen in chapter 4, and the creation of dark worlds is linked to determination, if the almagamates' creation and the whole concept of darkness are connected somehow. i dont think its like "woag this explains undertale!!!1" but just kinda of a possible connection. idk. why the fuck is ralsei quoting gaster anyways||

[shrewd dove]

ch4 ||OH NEW BATTLE THEME THATS NOT RUDE BUSTER HELLO??????||

[jagged lotus]

|| Oh yeah, it's peak||

[north jetty]

Yeah so the music across the entire of Ch4 is like

Batshit insane

Might unironically be a new peak for Toby

Which is fucking saying something

[shrewd dove]

the one playing rn while im walking is fantastic

[gilded warren]

Me watching this having never seen the actual fight

[honest nest]

kinda chapter 3 and 4 but it's just old items that are updated so
||I'VE BEEN GETTING 50% LESS TP FROM MY TWIN TWIN RIBBON FOR THE ENTIRETY OF CHAPTER 4???||

[shrewd dove]

||HOLD UP GERSON THEME SOUNDS EERILY SIMILAR TO SPEAR OF JUSTICE????????||

[honest nest]

i thought that was like... really obvious lol

||all of his themes are based on undyne's combined with his own short leitmotif||

||or more likely in-universe, undyne's leitmotifs were based on gerson's||

[shrewd dove]

i didnt rememebred that

[pearl bridge]

(Chapters 3 and 4 story spoilers)
||So like...I think its very evident that the Knight is altered significantly moreso in the dark world than a normal lightner would...some people have suggested corruption but I think there's another possibility. Why does the Knight have an eye embedded in their chest||

||Yeah yeah yeah something something Dark matter, but like unironically...what if it is a titan having taken over a Lightner's body to bring about the roaring. What if Carol is being manipulated by the titans directly (if she's the knight) or if she's being manipulated becaus Dess's body got taken over by them||

[fathom canopy]

||apparently they have a helmet that can be taken off which is weird||

[pearl bridge]

Huh

[twin dove]

||ok so like consider||

[fathom canopy]

Rorschach test

oh my god i see it

[twin dove]

||The possibility of gaster being related to titans to a degree||

[pearl bridge]

||Where does this come from||

[fathom canopy]

me

||its from the scene in chapter 4 where you can close your eyes to think about someone. if you think about the knight, the following text appears||

[silent dock]

||we sort of discussed it earlier, when ralsei asks you to close your eyes in chapter 4, you can also choose to think about the knight||

oh there ya go

[pearl bridge]

||Oh...||

||Kris KNOWS||

[halcyon tendon]

||ok so i have yet to beat chapter 4 but like||

||I dont understand if Kris is evil or if theres a bigger cause as to why they’re assisting the knight||

[silent dock]

||I really don't think it's as simple as "they're evil"||

[halcyon tendon]

||ye i figured||

||there has to be a genuine reason for them helping the knight||

[north jetty]

Another possibility, and I'm gonna get into full Ch4 spoilers for this,

[halcyon tendon]

i ||follow the dess knight theory so maybe Kris is trying to find some way to restore Dess which is why they don’t attack the Knight when they get the chsnce||

[north jetty]

||You know how the deceased like Gerson are affected in Dark Worlds? Versions of themselves are trapped in bubbles of time in specific darknesses, but outside of those they're fragmented and corrupted?||

||What if the knight is a fragmented version of Dess? One with incomplete memories, corrupted into the knight?||

||And at some point, a dark world is opened up where she is brought as her real self||

[pearl bridge]

||Hmm...wouldn't that make the knight a full darkner||

[pearl bridge]

||And thus unable to enter the light world (which it can do)||

[north jetty]

||...and what if this is why her, Carol, and Kris are trying to bring about the Roaring?||

||To bridge open the gap between light and dark, no matter what?||

[twin dove]

||The knights horns do look like antlers…
Its also important to note that the fake gerson was actually a statue brought to life, and not related to his soul. I theorize the dark world is able to give life to anything, and give it its own desires.

No way to tell if the knight would actually be dess themself, or if its possibly a construct given life by carol or kris using darkness.||

||Its strange why the regular darkeners would turn to stone if the roaring happened though…||

[pearl bridge]

||Darkners turn to stone outside of their dark world...now imagine if the entire world was essentially a foreign dark world||

[pliant loom]

Question how was the image made?

[shrewd dove]

ch4 question,|| i couldnt access the mike's room before entering the church's dark world, can i go back there after i seal the foutnain?||

[silent dock]

||yep||

there's more specifics, but I'll leave it at that

[twin dove]

||Its the isolated sprites of the titan unfolding||

[shrewd dove]

zhh ok

[twin dove]

…kinda random but funny thing
||my little dark knights i made months ago look like mini roaring knight spawn xD||

[honest nest]

ranked deltarune characters based on how cool they are

[silent dock]

truuuuuuuuue

[pearl bridge]

||GYA HA HA||

[silent dock]

||aura farming knight vs neg diffing gerson||

[shrewd dove]

||gerson is a lovely oldman||

[honest nest]

||>dies

gets revived in the dark world
doesn't question it
pretends to be the nicest grandpa you've ever met
doesn't even reveal his name
takes undyne's leitmotifs (or likely the other way around)
teleports around as casually as sans
hosts a tea party
becomes a secret boss
takes undyne's soul mode
is too smart and powerful to use a shadow
is an incredible mentor to susie
writes a letter to his son knowing they'll never be able to meet each other again
vanishes
randomly shows up at the final boss
uses one of the most powerful attacks in the game along with susie
doesn't even use up tp
easily beats up a fucking titan
refuses to elaborate further
vanishes again||

||>is literally too smart and/or powerful to die in undertale||

[silent dock]

contains spoilers for the secret boss and final boss of chapter 4

[gloomy onyx]

(Chapter 4)
||https://youtu.be/VSuLUMZ3D7E?feature=shared||

So far this is basically the first and only allusion to ||Spiders...||, and by proxy ||Muffet||

[north jetty]

||https://fixupx.com/Mokkoyu/status/1931713090845913518?t=1lfLl365f-jgRkSM5ecTzg&s=19||
Ch3 finale spoilers

Mokkoyu(Comms open, comic work) (@Mokkoyu)

Deltarune Roaring Knight

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FixupX · Jun 8, 2025, 2:01 PM

Rawest fanart for ||The Knight|| I have seen yet

[pearl bridge]

||https://youtu.be/dTuXxhCjubs?si=VNCBpcRbUJKPQXjY || Chapter 4, weird route

[north jetty]

||It's insane how they make you feel so terrible for Kris in the Weird Route||

||BRO IS LOSING HIS GRIP||

[gloomy onyx]

Is it adding up?

Or is it subtracting down?

Or does the mere existence of it all multiplies it around?

Considering that...
(Chapter 3+4, Stuff forshadowing it, and Secret Boss)

• ||In the SweepStakes website, we're not shown anything regarding Chapters 6 and 7 on the webpage specifically alluding to The Weird Route...||
• || The "Sword Route" is one BIG heavy allusion to the weird route ||
• || Gerson's last novel according to his fight was at chapter 5, and yet when there was an opportunity for others to continue it... it just stopped? ||
• || Then there's the prophecy and constant emphasis on "the girl" ...||
• and lastly... ||The Knight seems to be closely affiliated with the holidays||...

But what does this all mean? Where does it go???

So many questions

[honest nest]

||how much weird route exclusive dark world dialogue did i skip through?? 😭😭😭||

[gloomy onyx]

(Chapter 4)
Like... ||Is the prophecy really just... never actually destined to happen?||

[honest nest]

man i can't wait to watch all the new theories for these chapters

[gloomy onyx]

if there is no ||Mike||, is there even a ||prophecy||?!

[honest nest]

||there wasn't supposed to be a mike, but everyone came together to create multiple mikes||

||...there isn't supposed to be more than one ending, but everyone will come together to create multiple endings||

[gloomy onyx]

There's a great paradox when it comes to all this...

||To be told exactly what happens next... doesn't that... invalidate it all?||
|| Without knowing, the outcome would be certain... to be aware of an outcome if at all... means everything!||

[honest nest]

||i hate the concept of the (lack of) free will||

||and the paradoxes that come with it||

[gloomy onyx]

||Our existence has been pre-determined... we're meant to BE in this world||

||But whatever has allowed us to be... it didn't account for what we were||

[honest nest]

||nvm i just didn't see this at all lol||

[shrewd dove]

||i mean mike DOES exist, just not in the way we thought||

[untold kite]

Real

[honest nest]

||add

directly calls out the weird route
to list of reasons why gerson is the coolest mf not alive||

[gloomy onyx]

||The mere fact we're an entity who has not only experienced this very world before via replays... but also experience a completely different iteration of the world... that's going to mess up something||
|| There's a main story we HAVE to follow... but we've been given the incredible power of exploration, and we end up finding things that shouldn't be found... and doing things that shouldn't have happened ||

Or at least... it should feel like it...

...And yet ||With major clues to alternate routes and secrets... and a "collection counter"... these incentives... even this layer of freedom is pre-determined||

[opal pumice]

||his last novel was at ch 6 actually (he said there was one more after 5 before it stopped)||

[gloomy onyx]

Ahhh misremembered!

... wait

(Chapter 4, Secret Boss)
|| Ok so he's bothered to briefly summarize chapters 1-5 of his novels... but when he mentions the 6th chapter... he just brushes it over... ||

||And of course, he wanted the next generation to continue the story... but they didn't...||
|| So... The Prophecy and this whole determinism... it is still valid up to chapter 5 ||
|| Everything has built up to this particular chapter... and perhaps with the weird route... it ends right there... ||

||Whatever happens from Chapter 6 and onwards will ultimately matter from our own set of decisions made beforehand...||

But wouldn't it be odd ||To essentially lock us out of 2 whole chapters if we commit to the weird route?||

[twin dove]

||I mean it could make some sense, kinda like how genocide is shorter than true pacifist.||

[gloomy onyx]

Hrmmm...

...Oh... Oh...

[opal pumice]

question

[honest nest]

chapter 4 secret boss
||so apparently the DELTA RUNE on the ice key door has a fourth triangle right below the angel.
interesting. very, very interesting.

IT'S DEFINITELY NOELLE I'M CALLING IT||

[opal pumice]

ch 4 ||has anyone checked if anything's different if you don't give tenna away, then returning to castle town at the end of the dark sanctuary||

[gloomy onyx]

(Chapter 4, Final Boss and later)
||You know it's... it's putting a strange amount of emphasis on Sans here...||
|| First off, dude casually just uses his teleportation abilities in hometown, but nobody bats an eye... He's able to do this despite being in the light world, which shouldn't have magic||
|| Second off, after defeating the titan... back in the light world, the track playing is called "The Place where it Rained"... which is just "Its Raining Somewhere Else"||
|| Oh yeah and Sans is uh... with your mom... Like these moments just seem like a lot for someone who's just a store janitor...||

Ok hear me out on this...

[fathom canopy]

||I know sans is the funny jokey haha guy but reminder that the mystery of what's going on with the machine in his basement, the picture with the "don't forget" and his connection to Gaster are still unsolved||

||I feel like we've grown so used to the meme status of sans that we have forgotten just how much of an enigma he actually is||

none of this are spoilers idk why I'm tagging this it's just Undertale stuff

[gloomy onyx]

||Like it just feels obvious that Sans Undertale is Sans Deltarune... like no arguing against it... But perhaps a certain route could be the catalyst for his inexplicable existence in Undertale??||
|| If, theoretically, Deltarune ENDS at chapter 5 when doing the Weird Route... could that be where it all starts??||
|| What if Sans couldn't return to Deltarune not because of some broken machine... but just because his world no longer exists?||
|| His whole judgement and of course final battle in the genocide run... could this have been because of whatever happened back in Deltarune? Mind you, the Weird route relies on a special sort of cruelty... perhaps Sans Undertale has some sort of... survivors guilt??||

[honest nest]

||sans is ABSOLUTELY getting an important role in this game and i can't wait to see it||

[fathom canopy]

Here's my two cents on sans deltarune

||1 - he has a shadow crystal
2 - he is doing your mom||

[gloomy onyx]

fuck you sans!

[fathom canopy]

Third cent

[gloomy onyx]

you ruined my life!

💀 : ||How could I ruin your life? I wasn't even here||

[fathom canopy]

Papyrus will show up literally at the end of the game like at the last scene like "hey guys sorry I'm late"

[gloomy onyx]

God this bothers me about this supposedly obvious idea...

[fathom canopy]

bonetrousle plays for 2 seconds and immediately cuts to the credits

[gloomy onyx]

||If Sans and Papyrus are from Deltarune... Why doesn't Sans care more about his bro? Not only does he allow him, the last living connection to his home (If we're taking the "survived the end of Deltarune" thing seriously), to die... but there's even that one ending where he's totally chill about it!||

[honest nest]

not a big surprise
call it recency bias but i don't think undertale is ever winning a poll like this again lol

[fathom canopy]

Even before the new chapters I already preferred deltarune

[gloomy onyx]

Unless...

[honest nest]

same lol

[gloomy onyx]

(Chapter 4)
|| There is no Mike ||

[fathom canopy]

But granted chapter 2 is like almost a whole game of its own

[gloomy onyx]

||There is no Mike, There is no prophecy... there. is. no. brother!||

[fathom canopy]

papyrus was never real

[hearty knoll]

Asriel who?

[gloomy onyx]

Here's a fucked up idea

[fathom canopy]

oh that's fucked up

[gloomy onyx]

||Papyrus is Sans Undertale||

[fathom canopy]

How does Baby Bones fit into this

[opal pumice]

|| https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMhBS-5zPqo ||

[untold kite]

Chp 3&4 spoilers: ||C-learly the Knight is still Papyrus, he could just be wearing a deer antler headband! ||

[fathom canopy]

I just wanna point out

||the knight's antlers are shaped like carol's and not dess||

||carol is the only one in the holiday family to have antlers shaped like that||

[untold kite]

||have we ever seen dess' antlers though?||

[gloomy onyx]

Wait now hold on a damn

[fathom canopy]

||yes||

||Tenna's flashback||

[gloomy onyx]

...Oh no you are right on something there nevermind

[fathom canopy]

||When we get to see the dreemurs and holidays all together we can see everyone's antlers and carol's the odd ones||

||this only makes me more suspicious that carol is a red herring cuz it's WAY too obvious... Like, there has to be a catch||

[pearl bridge]

||Its da freaking bat (hey reference) thats throwing me off. Like...fuck it does resemble a bat at the start but also...it just doesn't look blunt enough???||

[gloomy onyx]

(Chapter 3, Finale)
||But why does the Knight initially hold it like...||

y'know??

[fathom canopy]

I have a theory
||What if in the same way Kris has ralsei, Carol has the knight? ||

[north jetty]

||WAIT||

||Oh my god I think you're right||

[fathom canopy]

||they are both modelled after people who they miss||

[north jetty]

||THE KNIGHT MIGHT NOT BE DESS, IT'S A MEMENTO TO DESS HELD BY CAROL||

||THAT WOULD ACTUALLY MAKE SO MUCH SENSE||

||I'm still gonna hold onto the "Dess knight" theory tho||

[fathom canopy]

||so the knight is kinda of its own thing, not a secret identity, but more like something that takes orders from someone- Carol
I assume that if the knight could be unmasked- which apparently they can- just like ralsei- they might look like dess, but still different||

||after all, knights usually serve someone||

[jagged lotus]

||But what about the figure they were chasing in the light world?, wouldn't this Imply that they are a darkner?||

[fathom canopy]

||true, it can't be a simple darkner||

||but it has to be something strong enough to quickly run across town while carrying undyne||

||and ofc darkners can't open fountains||

||but whatever the knight is- is definitely not a regular lightner/darkner, so it's possible the rules could bend to them||

[jagged lotus]

(chapter 3 secret) ||Apparently there's also this, could be a coincidence but considering all the other evidence it might be intentional||

[final tendon]

ch3 secret boss ||anyone have tips on the lil zelda boss guy||

[shrewd dove]

LMAOOOOOOOOOOO

[round olive]

Chapter 4 Weird Route

||Wow, I wasn’t expecting the ending to be different||

||Also RIP Jackenstein||

[final tendon]

||nvm i beat him i need help on the knight now 💔||

||my strat rn is just spamming rude buster and defending as much as i can and using up all my revivemints||

[round olive]

||Make sure to use Kris’ breathe act at the start. It’ll last the whole fight and is VERY helpful for the final attack ||

[potent belfry]

Ch3 ""secret"" boss ||hi friend is struggling with the knight, any advices?? He even has the shadow mantle for it||

[final tendon]

||yeah i been doing that||

||what usually gets me is the sword attack where theres like a bajillion of them in 2 rows next to u||

[old bramble]

||if you haven't already, worth going back and getting all the golds from the gacha machine. i used tennatie on kris and found it handy. think there's a possibility of another revivemint too if you haven't gotten it already||

[opal pumice]

||nooooooooooooooooooooooooooo :(||

[final tendon]

||ok so bad news i uhhhh did z rank for the secret room bc im too ass to even bother getting s||

[old bramble]

ohhh rip lol

[opal pumice]

wait ||does the b room open up when you return to the green room after the escape then||

[round olive]

Chapter 4 secret boss

||https://youtu.be/cm40vT7a2fM?si=Jn1VM3LSIur5GB0h||

[round olive]

Chapter 4 Violence
||I love how pissed off the Water cups get if you beat up Miss Mizzle lmao||

[final tendon]

||nah i checked||

||also just beat knight yayy||

[alpine dawn]

you know, i know people are still playing the game and/or want to avoid spoilers be releasing videos this early but....man i really looking foward to remixes and intrumentations of ch3-4 music

[potent belfry]

Asking for this again

[final tendon]

||dw people gave me tips in replies to my message earlier||

[opal pumice]

y'know it just hit me right now for some reason

deltarune is only halfway through

and already it feels so much more monumental and massive than undertale ever was

[final tendon]

undertale was the stepping stone to toby's true fever dream

[calm furnace]

Chapter 4: ||so in the regular Deltarune thread we see that the actual fucking producer of Deltarune is in this server. Check his favorite ability rq via roles ||

||Not even Oda could pull off such legendary foreshaodwing||

I should specify post chapter 4

[shrewd dove]

ch4 ||i think i just got to the secret boss, sweet!||

[untold kite]

No

Way

[shrewd dove]

ch4 ||YAY I BEAT GERSON SECOND TRY||

[calm furnace]

It’s terrible. I love it.

[opal pumice]

wait a minute (ch 3) ||is the darkner behind the changing curtain in several places in tvworld that you never see (and at one point pushes you away, giving you saber10) meant to be kris' upstairs cactus that loves them||

||the one that gets somewhat despondent when kris flirts with the second watercooler encounter||

[round olive]

Chapter 4 secret boss

||https://fxtwitter.com/cantsaveveryone/status/1931751922693783755||

ging waster (@cantsaveveryone)

@pipislover1997

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FxTwitter · Jun 8, 2025, 4:35 PM

[fickle otter]

Can we all agree chapter 3 ||secret bosses are water coolers||

[opal pumice]

am i on to something here

on another note i had another realization regarding ch 3

so you know how ||the reward rooms take the letter rank to indicate what's in the room||

||c-rank for (water)cooler (and then later crater), b-rank for ball, and a-rank for arcade...also t-rank room gives you the tv pose room||

||they say the s-rank is for star...but what if it's also for sword...or snowgrave...||

[final tendon]

||whats z rank||

[opal pumice]

darn it you foiled the pattern

[inland dagger]

ch4 ||what the fuck do you mean ralsei casually uses fire magic in one of his acts against one of the enemies||

[old bramble]

YOU'RE ALSO IN THE ANDREW CUNNINGHAM STREAM

(or you just coincidentally saw that in your own game at the same time as me watching this stream)

[inland dagger]

yeah im also watching his stream lmao

but again like (ch4) ||if susie is slowly actually becoming better at healing what if ralsei ends up also learning to use his fire magic as an attack||

||with chapter 5 definitely being all about plants with the flower foreshadowing + the asgore foreshadowing ralsei learning to use his fire magic as an actual attack could be a good plot point||

[old bramble]

thinking about this interview from 2019

||T: I was going to give a certain character a fire spell, but decided against it for the first chapter. As for what I’m looking forward to… well, it’s hard to describe this without spoiling anything, but a certain character will learn a certain type of spell that they aren’t really good at. Actually, they’re so bad at it there’s essentially no reason to have them use it at first. But the fact that they learned it and keep practicing it is really heartwarming.||

hmm..... ||ralsei when are you gonna learn it||

[gloomy onyx]

(Chapter 4, Beginning)
||Why does Noelle's basement ambience have to be... garbage noise?!||

[inland dagger]

my guess is ||after seeing susie get better at healing, and after the whole thing with the titan fight, he'll probably want to start going on the offense more when he can and start using it||

[old bramble]

||that's what im thinking yeah! esp if we fight more of these things - being able to put out the darkness with fire seems apt||

[inland dagger]

||theres also the possibility that asgore might play a role in actually helping ralsei but who knows||

||we all thought toriel or undyne would play a major role in chapter 3 but the former is "fridged" for the whole chapter and the latter appears last minute and gets kidnapped 💀 ||

||the most toriel did these past 2 chapters was motivate kris and then embarass them and possibly bring up trauma with susie by getting drunk||

[old bramble]

||the toriel bait was crazy. im still kinda bummed about that even if it's important for the narrative they're doing here. i would have loved to see her interact with the dark world||

OOOh new patch dropped and a certain cutscene got changed again
(if you do not know what cutscene that is immediately by me saying it, don't click this spoiler!)
||https://fixvx.com/katnfriendz/status/1931984539833806857 ||

kat ☆ DELTARUNE SPOILERS (@katnfriendz)

DELTARUNE SPOILERS
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THE WEIRD ROUTE GOT UPDATED AGAIN. HOW IS IT EVEN MORE DISTURBING??????? https://t.co/ws9nDUODzA

QRT: UnderTale
Another hotfix patch for PC&Mac. Next we will try to get some of these fixes to console. The next patch after this will take a bit longer.

▶ Play video

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jun 9, 2025, 7:59 AM

[inland dagger]

||first time ive seen this cutscene at all, im assuming the "cracked effects" replace the rose that was removed?||

[old bramble]

||indeed - the initial hotfix replaced it with the single red dot from the sweepstakes which was like. meaningful but kinda eh||

(i prob should have tagged to be more specific but i didn't wanna necessarily give away what is or isn't in the chapter lol)

[silent dock]

||none of the holiday family has horns that abruptly change angle like that actually||

[fickle otter]

Witnessing all of the versions, this one captures the scale of the action accurately ||rose was really disturbing||

[silent dock]

it's not though?

[old bramble]

Yeah I would say it's ||really good - I think they did a good job capturing the like. permanently scarring nature of the interaction||

late chapter 3 stuff ||how did i not realize until now that glowing snow (the abandoned green room theme) is just a slowed down remix of the Uwa!! melody||

[silent dock]

chapter 3 end
||this one angle where the knight is in the middle of turning towards the gang, makes them look even more like a reindeer I think||

[torpid shuttle]

||also when it charges towards undyne lol||

chapter 3 end ||totally not a deer||

[inland dagger]

ch4 ||just realized the very real possibility that sans will wake kris up the morning of chapter 5 and go "its a beautiful day outside"||

[silent dock]

||people really forget that that's asgore's line huh||

||maybe he'll just go "hey kiddo. i know things are a bit awkward right now, but i'd be glad if you called me dad"||

[inland dagger]

||okay i will admit i forgot that but ig theres a chance for asgore to say it next chapter too||

||chapter 5 is the day of the festival itself isnt it?||

[torpid shuttle]

||chapter 5 is the festival yeah||

||I still think its all but confirmed that asgore will be involved in the dark world next chapter too but I can see that being left for chapter 6 somehow||

||I feel like the festival is a big moment and a big time to open a fountain where more people would see than even in the church itself - and idk how flower king comes into play there or how it'd involve jockington at all (who Is relevant to the grand scheme of things because he's part of the prophecy as absurd as that may be)||

chapter 3 and 4 (not that the above messages aren't lmao) ||I really like the idea that papyrus will show up in asgore's dark world as his "royal guard" because we never got to see that in Undertale (much like gerson's battle capabilities)... and then he's like, oh no i'm not The knight i'm just A knight||

[old bramble]

||garden dark world -> jockington representing the serpent from the garden of eden (im not sure im cooking||
||also oooh I'd love to see papyrus hell yeah||

[fathom canopy]

||What if while everyone is enjoying the festival asgore is alone in his flower hole so Kris pays him a visit||

[torpid shuttle]

||alternatively both chapter 5 and chapter 6 could take place within the same day similar to chapters 2 and 3/3 and 4||

[torpid shuttle]

||i could see this but there's no way noelle isn't getting involved in chapter 5 too lol. maybe kris goes to see him, they discover a dark world and then they have the other lightners join?||

||I do think that idea is more in line with how somber the game got at the end of chapter 4 though, like a dark world involving kris's family more directly than even Toriel being kidnapped in chapter 3 is sure to match the tone that the game just left on||

||and speaking of toriel i really like that shes a queen in the dark world, thats definitely another element building up to the flower king dark fountain, right||

[inland dagger]

||i think jockington isnt actually relevant to the grand scheme of things i think the prophecy is just that stupidly detailed||

||after all it literally is like "this stupid bouncy ball child will say "toothpaste" and then boy"||

[torpid shuttle]

||I can see that but the prophecy only relates to things that happen in the dark worlds so that'd be a strange outlier||

||so like at the very least he's got to be in a dark world at some point. I doubt it'll be as a party member though the game seems to be pointing towards noelle as the only other "hero"||

[old bramble]

on the topic of lancer ||I still wonder about the fact that he's the only other character who could take ralsei's place in the prophecy given he was also a lonely prince from the dark. I doubt it'll go anywhere but it would be interesting if they had to make a makeshift prophecy team||

[fathom canopy]

||jockington will 100% be relevant for the prophecy because it would be so fucking funny bro||

[nimble jetty]

Honestly

If I were to rank the chapters it’d go 4>2>3>1

Its so close between 3 and 2 but ||I like the character variety of 2||

||Tenna carries chapter 3 so insanely hard||

||Gerson also solos the entirety of Chapters 1-3 I’m sorry that turtle aura farms like crazy||

[pearl bridge]

(Chapter 4, hospital, non weird route)
||https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Fx0kkcZ1X3c ||

[nimble jetty]

Damn

[pearl bridge]

||Oh my fucking god||

[nimble jetty]

||Holy shit dude||

[silent dock]

||no longer evil red pixel||

||which I interpreted as like, a drop of blood, since you're literally jabbing a thorn in her finger||

[opal pumice]

now that actually feels 'right' for this scene

[nimble jetty]

||I can’t bring myself to do weird route because I’m too attached to these characters||

[nimble jetty]

Okay everyone, favorite new theme from chapters 3 and 4?

[pearl bridge]

(Chaper 3 and 4 story)
||Oh||

[silent dock]

I saw that yeah

[pearl bridge]

||Forget the bit with carol, I just find that about Dess' computer intriguing||

[silent dock]

||although asriel's computer mouse is also on the left||

[fickle otter]

Third sanctuary

[fathom canopy]

||tbf in a sprite based game its hard to say what way are the characters handed||

[inland dagger]

||unfortunately every other desktop in the game is also "left handed", asriel and noelle's are||

||so that point may be moot||

||although the knight in particular does seem to be left handed as their front facing sprites show them holding the sword in their left hand||

[inland dagger]

ch4 ||apparently the sprite names for the queen limo prophecy and the tenna slash prophecy are both labeled with "boss", the asgore prophecy is also labeled with "boss"||

[nimble jetty]

||wait, where are the queen limo prophecies and the tenna slash prophecies? i never saw them||

[inland dagger]

||the queen limo one is in the first sanctuary, i dont remember where exactly||

||the tenna slash one is in the second sanctuary, in the room you get introduced to the moving piano||

[nimble jetty]

||oh I seeZ||

[inland dagger]

||but yeah considering those two have their prophecies labeled with boss its looking like asgore wont just play a major part of chapter 5 but be the major boss of it||

[nimble jetty]

||Asgore boss fight returning would be so incredibly cool, especially after the Hammer of Justice fight with all the Undyne references||

[final tendon]

||thinking abt the knight in chapter 4 does say thats a helmet so||

[inland dagger]

||im excited as hell to hear his leitmotif in a brand new song||

[nimble jetty]

||The original is also a banger||

||If Toby makes asgore's them not only a remix of Asgore's theme, but also crosses it with the deltarune leitmotif and the leitmotif of the Knight then we may be on the verge of peak I fear||

[calm furnace]

||My idea for how papknight could work is either he accidentally creates a dark world by like idk accidentally dropping a knife on the ground while thinking about how bad he wants friends or something like this. I think it would be really funny if everyone just calls him the “roaring knight” because they assume that’s what he is, but he makes no sense to dispute it as he thinks it’s just a cool nickname people gave to him out adoration. ||

[honest nest]

chapter 4 weird route ||https://fxtwitter.com/jojoton56/status/1931985363662221369 the visual was changed again, i think this is the best one||

Jojoton56 (@jojoton56)

// deltarune chapter 4 spoilers weird route
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[untold kite]

yeah, was sent smwhr above iirc

[calm furnace]

||I don’t think jockington will be in it that same prophecy has a stained glass of cutie patootie lancer with something like “the pointy-headed one will say “toothpaste” and then “boy””. All of Deltarune kinda has jokes and I don’t know how much we’re meant to read into them lol ||

[calm furnace]

||My leading theory (and what I personally hope happens) is that ralsei gets his fire magic or at least gets a buff to it via a weapon by fighting the chapter 5 secret boss solo like Susie did. I’m kinda cooking with my entire idea for chapter 5 secret boss I’ll be real ||

[inland dagger]

ch4 ||chapter 5 secret boss could actually be flowers this time considering asgore is shaping up to be the main boss||

[pearl bridge]

||Firegrave will be real...but with Ralsei instead of Toriel||

[unique phoenix]

HEY IMPORTANT (Ch3 secret)
||DO I DEFEND HERE. OR DO I ATTACK.||

[calm furnace]

defend

[inland dagger]

defend

[unique phoenix]

||fuck ||

||i ded qq||

doable tho!

[pearl bridge]

||Probably should have healed if you had any items||

[unique phoenix]

||some other time||

[unique phoenix]

||I had a sole revivemint||

[pearl bridge]

||Ooooooof||

[untold kite]

||Howdy, I'm Flowey. Flowey the Flower!||

[opal pumice]

y'know what's an interesting thing

for a long while i was wondering how, if dark worlds are incapable of crossing over with one another, the card castle denizens are aware of that of cyber world's, despite the abandoned classroom and the library computer lab being two separate rooms in two separate buildings

and this gave me the answer that ||kris and asriel used to just bring over stuff from those two locations and play pretend frequently in their home||

which then made me wonder ||why did the knight target these two locations initially, and if that connection was coincidental||

[potent belfry]

Ch3 spoilers : || ||

[nimble jetty]

||the song that follows this is lowkey a banger||

||tenna will be living rent free inside my head till the end of time||

||I didn’t even like chapter 3 that much bro wtf||

[torpid shuttle]

||the thing is that Lancer's still in it and he does in fact say toothpaste and then boy though so||

||I think jockington at the very least will be in a dark world, even if he's not relevant he might show up in a room. With a beard. And that'll be it,||

[opal pumice]

i think my chapter ranking thus far is 4 > 3 >= 2 > 1

[calm furnace]

||Fair enough but I don’t see why an obvious biblical allusion in a snake wouldn’t be in the church dark world lol||

||Granted given the fact that the demon summoning catti and kris did might be important given it was mentioned again, and jockington is attached to Catti’s hip, it’s not impossible ||

[torpid shuttle]

||I think all the prophecy murals refer to stuff that happens in the dark worlds specifically, so I feel like jockington will grow the beard at some point and it won't necessarily be plot-relevant (besides the implication that he'd be in a dark world)||

||maybe thats just what he looks like in the dark world. toriel and asgore get crowns, kris gets an armor, but jockington just gets. a beard||

[calm furnace]

Could be funny

[fathom canopy]

it will happen

[untold kite]

Ch 3+4 stuff, Ch 5 speculation ||So Gerson mentions gardens burned when talking about the fifth chapter of his book, which was based on the prophecy, and there's also a prophecy about the flower man trapped in asylum, with an image of Asgore's silhouette, looking like his Undertale sprite. Chapter 5 seems pretty likely to involve Asgore and flowers||

[inland dagger]

||its all but confirmed asgore himself is the chapter 5 boss as his prophecy is labeled as "boss, which queen's and tenna's prophecies also have||

[fathom canopy]

||ya'll think flower king (the store) is gonna get a fire in chapter 5?||

||theres probably evidence/information about whatever the fuck is going on with dess/the bunker in flower king and it sort of makes sense that the knight/carol/kris might want to set the place ablaze because of that||

[honest nest]

chapter 3 ||https://fxtwitter.com/jugokove_/status/1932062960337535295||

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[fathom canopy]

for real lmao

it makes a lot of sense ||susie was so pissed at ralsei at chapter four||

related to the art itself, this is an exceedingly goat-like depiction of ralsei

[opal pumice]

i've been scrolling through tumblr for the moment and i'm gonna say that as of right now ||i'm a firm believer in dess knight||

[honest nest]

same
i'm just now quite sure how yet

[nimble jetty]

||The end of chapter 4 was so tense bro, I could tell susie just wanted to murder ralsei right then and there for not telling her about the prophecy end||

[nimble jetty]

||I was a believer the moment I thought about the parallels between Asriel and Dess||

[opal pumice]

same

||dess could be to deltarune what undertale's version of azzy was to that game||

[nimble jetty]

||Also, another thing, I think Carol is working with the Knight because she somehow knows it’s Dess, though The reason she showed that kindness to Kris in chapter 4 could’ve either been family friend closeness. Or the fact that Kris without control of the player is evil. And Carol wants to keep Susie away from Noelle because it’ll turn Noelle against Susie||

[opal pumice]

who do you think ||is the person on the other end of the phone||

[nimble jetty]

||Rudy||

||Okay but fr I think it’s actually Dess||

||Dess travels around in the Light World as Dess but can only be the Roaring Knight in the Dark World(s)||

[fathom canopy]

||have you ever noticed how roulx and the knight are never together in the same room? suspicious||

[nimble jetty]

Wait guys

||Susie creates a dark fountain because she uses a sharp object, and has a genuine desire to make a dark world so she can see the old man, which is the reality she wants… correct?||

[fathom canopy]

||whoever is the knight must have known the old man before he died||

[nimble jetty]

This might be a crackhead theory but ||What if the Knight, in the Light World, tells Asgore how to make a dark fountain after asgore learns about Sans and Toriel and asgore creates a dark fountain so he can have his perfect world? Remember, Asgore has his trident for sharp object||

[fathom canopy]

||does he have a trident in the light world tho||

[nimble jetty]

||He had one in Undertale||

||isn’t Undertale in the Light world or am I tripping||

[fathom canopy]

||i think asgore making a fountain makes a lot of sense tho||

[fathom canopy]

i mean yeah but like different worlds

[nimble jetty]

Ah

[inland dagger]

||part of me hopes asgore doesnt make a fountain out of purely jealousy and more "this is the missing link to dess's dissappearance||

||cause it seems evident hes still on the case with that despite not being on the force anymore||

[nimble jetty]

||Do you guys think Carol’s so bitter because of knight connections or because Dess went missing||

[fathom canopy]

||because shes a grinch||

||and probably a lot of reasons||

[nimble jetty]

||also what if Gerson’s ashes allow him to manifest in the Dark World||

[inland dagger]

||probably the latter||

[nimble jetty]

||she’s the town mayor so she probably has a lot of work to do at any moment and is breaking under the pressure. i wouldn’t be surprised if Dess was the thing that kept her going…||

[fathom canopy]

||dess is missing, rudy has a terminal ilness, some random girl touched your missing daughter's guitar, theres a prophecy about the end of the world that likely involves your daughter, and on top of that shes the mayor||

||that and her personality might be kinda like that||

[nimble jetty]

||rudy has WHAT||

[fathom canopy]

||i mean, its heavily implied that he huh||

||is not doing well||

[nimble jetty]

||Yeah… huh||

[inland dagger]

||i thought it was pretty clear that whatever rudy has clearly isnt just some common illness||

[fathom canopy]

||its like a mega illness or something||

[inland dagger]

||its very much a debilitating disease, if you talk to him after church he says just being there was already a lot||

[nimble jetty]

||I think either Dess and Carol could be the Knight though. Dess makes the most sense straight-up but Carol creating the dark fountains to escape Reality… now that’s a good motive.||

[fathom canopy]

||i think carol's motives are probably beyond mere escapism||

||i used to think kris was doing it for escapism, and maybe they are in a way, but i smell something cooking with carol||

[pearl bridge]

||And uh...he passed away in Undertales universe too||

[inland dagger]

||oh yeah right hes confirmed dead there||

[nimble jetty]

||In a world where you can create realities with a knife and a dream, escapism is very much a real thing someone could do I think||

[nimble jetty]

||I feel like Kris and Carol are less connected than we think||

||Like yeah, Kris is controlled by us half the time but he also drags Noelle away from the Heart in chapter 4 weird route iirc?||

[inland dagger]

||i mean the motive for kris working with carol could be as simple as "if their deal goes well kris gets their freedom back"||

||in which case weird route noelle would uh, be unfortunate collateral||

[nimble jetty]

Wait

(Weird route) ||the new cutscene confirms that Kris puts the heart into Noelle, right?||

[inland dagger]

||i dont think thats what happens||

[nimble jetty]

||That’s what it looks like||

[honest nest]

chapter 3 and 4 ||and then chapter 4 goes back to "Go back and forth between rooms" lol||

[fathom canopy]

||well theres, a couple things. a throuple things actually
1- the voice of the phone during the beginning of 4 being like "im coming there" and then 5 minutes later carol arrives sooner than what she told noelle
2- carol saying the PLAYER is welcome to her house. like, not kris, but THE PLAYER
3- carol phoning kris at the middle of the night in the weird route||

[opal pumice]

i think my one problem with ||carol as knight is...how'd she get to the church before both kris and susie and how would susie have not noted that||

[fathom canopy]

||thats exactly what makes me think that its a red herring||

[nimble jetty]

||Yeah||

[nimble jetty]

||Yeah I can see it but That makes me wonder what Kris’s actual actions would be||

[inland dagger]

||cant she have like, gotten into the church right after they left, made a fountain, and then rushed over the the holiday residence once she got word they were there||

[nimble jetty]

||Would they still be saving the world if they weren’t a Cage?||

[fathom canopy]

||well, but the knight is already in the church||

[nimble jetty]

||And the knight is also in the dark world once they get there||

[fathom canopy]

||she could be the one making the fountains, sure, but when kris and susie got inside, the knight was already there||

[inland dagger]

back to this btw ||im pretty sure its just meant to be visercal imagery about the very disturbing stuff youre forcing kris to do, especially when the original scene was a wilting rose before the current hotfix||

[fathom canopy]

||makes me think kris, carol and the knight are all working together||

[nimble jetty]

||So… stabbing a thorn into Noelle?||

[fathom canopy]

||if i had to guess, i think that cutscene is basically the point of no return for snowgrave. after this, noelle is permanently fucked and you can no longer abort it||

[nimble jetty]

||I wanna say that Kris has no bad intentions and just wants their freedom back||

[inland dagger]

||i mean its quite literally putting the thorn ring back on her so yeah||

[fathom canopy]

||probably, and i bet they want dess back too||

[nimble jetty]

||Like it’s shown that Kris has visible discomfort and an immediate sense of danger when both they and Noelle see the heart, to the point of grabbing noelle and rushing her out of there.||

[inland dagger]

||like the weird route is you basically gaslighting and mentally torturing noelle in ch2, chapter 4 seals the deal with you forcing the ring back onto her||

[nimble jetty]

||It’s very clearly apparent that Kris would be doing all the heroism in Deltarune, but wants their freedom back anyway||

i could be misinterpreting scenes idk bro lol

[fathom canopy]

||i think that we will likely see kris and the soul coming to terms and cooperating for whatever the "good ending" of deltarune might be||

||if there is any||

[nimble jetty]

||Definitely!||

[fathom canopy]

||but, for the bad ending, i expect the opposite||

[nimble jetty]

||Toby said they could only be one ending, but I think that your choice between Snowgrave and Normal decide how you reach that ending.||

[fathom canopy]

||we, player, forcing noelle to beat up kris, the body||

[nimble jetty]

||my thoughts exactly||

[fathom canopy]

||im curious to see how will this go||

[nimble jetty]

||Kris will definitely be the sacrifice, so I think good route will be Kris and the Soul offering themselves up while weird route is the soul possessing someone else and killing kris||

^ my theory

[fathom canopy]

||the journey is more important than the destination, but what kind of ending could somehow be the same for such wildly different routes?||

[inland dagger]

||admittedly the "only one ending" could be a false thing and thar there is indeed a different ending||

[fathom canopy]

||could be||

||i think that might very well be the case if ralsei's dialogue at the end of chapter 4 means something||

[nimble jetty]

||I think we’re looking at it the wrong way. There will be one result (no matter what route it is, kris will be sacrificed) but the way you achieve this sacrifice is determined by the route||

[silent dock]

||but it's "an inferno of jealousy" specifically
I think it's just gonna be asgore finding out sans befriended his ex lol||

[inland dagger]

||the "only one ending" could play into the fact that as far as the world of deltarune is concerned, the story has been prophesized down to the minute detail||

[nimble jetty]

||yeah that’s definitely the case||

[fathom canopy]

||asgore having beef with sans and sans being oblivious to this sounds hilarious||

[nimble jetty]

||I am really curious to see what happens to Kris and the soul.||

||I’m still under the impression that Kris would perform all that heroism out of their free will, so they don’t have any bad intentions and just want their freedom back.||

[inland dagger]

||but we also have evidence that our current party isnt even following what was prophesized ("And last was the girl" and "the second hero" prophecies might refer to different people and that ralsei knows the monster girl of the prophecy should be able to use ribbons)||

[silent dock]

||it's 100% carol
weird route outright confirms it||

[nimble jetty]

Where

[fathom canopy]

||at the end when she phones kris at night||

||very last scene of the weird route chapter||

||before cutting to the credits||

[inland dagger]

||im not entirely convinced that scene "confirms" its carol||

||but regardless carol is sus as all hell||

[fathom canopy]

||But! i dont think that 100% confirms shes the knight, just that whatever is going on, she is involved||

yeah

[opal pumice]

i do think ||carol is involved in whatever conspiracy is happening in hometown||

[inland dagger]

|| if anything i think the main thing it confirms is that Kris hides stuff in the UI from us somehow, cause we would have the option to call Carol or (probably) The Knight if their phone numbers are right there on their phone||

[opal pumice]

||to what capacity and to what her agenda's aligned with i couldn't say||

[inland dagger]

||that and of course their personal knife is no where to be seen in their inventory when we check it||

[opal pumice]

i will also say ||i do believe kris is the knight's accomplice||

[pearl bridge]

||What the hell does the Knife become in the dark world||

[opal pumice]

||again for what reason i can't say||

[pearl bridge]

||Shits probably the endgame weapon||

[opal pumice]

also one more thing

[nimble jetty]

||Hmm, I’ve only seen the normal route version||

[opal pumice]

it's noted that ||dark worlds are affected by the mindset and perspective of the person opening them (hence why the lighting shifted between the first sanctuary and the second)||

[fathom canopy]

ralsei.................................

[inland dagger]

||in the weird route ending carol calls kris and just wants to confirm with them if noelle is coming with them to the festival iirc||

[pearl bridge]

||I was gonna say that as a joke||

[opal pumice]

||what does it mean that kris' opened dark world doesn't seem in any way incongruent with those of the knight's||

[fathom canopy]

||what the fuck was the knight thinking when they opened the silly ass gamer cyber world bro||

[opal pumice]

again it's odd

the first two targets were the abandoned classroom and the library computer lab

[nimble jetty]

||Yeah I just looked it up lol||

[silent dock]

||in the weird route you actually hear her voice, rather than just that creepy whispering||

[fathom canopy]

||i wonder if maybe abandoned classroom was open by dess||

[nimble jetty]

||Assuming it’s Dess, I think these targets were picked because of proximity to Noelle||

[silent dock]

exactly