Star-Crossed World (and Forgotten Land Switch 2 Edition)

[sand patrol]

prolly just other things they have experimented on

[turbid nexus]

Why does every damn planet destroying nutcase want to invade the New World
Like geez go invade like
Aqua Star

[sand patrol]

what does IDF stand for

[hybrid bolt]

I wonder why some kinda hold a grudge to the dlc

like it makes development for the next Kirby title slower or something.

[vagrant hound]

Invasive Disaster Forgo

[sand patrol]

elfilin saying they have a psrticular bad feeling is interesting

[hybrid bolt]

It feels related to Forgo

[vagrant hound]

Can’t wait for Elfilin to not return for next 20 games after this

[wise flame]

Oh my fucking god we're fighting the KT-Extinction Meteor

[sand patrol]

esp since its def a weird feeling not just an unease

with the line "im not sure"

[wise flame]

So...

THe rats...

THis hasn't been the land's first rodeo

[vagrant hound]

Lowkey this sounds actually serious compared to other Kirby game

[hybrid bolt]

"forgo failed, send in his comrade."

[vagrant hound]

(Even tho other game are serious, this one especially feels serious)

[arctic gale]

Meteor that blows up entire new world

[wise flame]

But if... if the meteor has already been here before...

[sand patrol]

though he could just say this to emphasize how bad this thing is

[wise flame]

What happened??

[arctic gale]

Im so curious what it is

[sand patrol]

but still not really any contradictions to forgo theory

it lives another day

[wise flame]

Oh are we finally getting a pure evil guy?

[sand patrol]

star dream was pure evil

[hybrid bolt]

I think it's like

[wise flame]

Can we legally execute this man, the full package and all? No prisoners??

[hybrid bolt]

related to forgo

but not him

[sand patrol]

cause it couldnt be anything else

but still

[hybrid bolt]

i would be TIRED if it was him

[wise flame]

I'd very much want to kill something without regret

I've had it with feeling bad for things

[turbid nexus]

"We are the Elfilings! Feed us!"

[wise flame]

I've had it with being friends with a rat who's now part "redeemed evil guy who tried to destroy both worlds"

[hybrid bolt]

forgo isn't really that

and won't ever be imo

[wise flame]

Forgo is an evil guy yeah sure

But dude had a peaceful closure

I just want to violently end someone for a change

And when they come back we kill them and they die the nastiest rawest way possible

I'm slowly turning evil as I go on about this-

[sand patrol]

marx soul

[spiral void]

elfi being nervous makes me nervous
what is he hyping up

[sand patrol]

all im saying is cup ZEX would go so hard with a double forgo team up as the final boss

[toxic delta]

Pyribbit

who needs a final boss just go beat that guy up

[sand patrol]

so im not really in on galacta knight lore

how does this new info effect that theory

[wise flame]

Galacta Knight is bad-ass but also sad

[gleaming stream]

Elfilin is scared again, this can’t be good

[wise flame]

I just want Marx 2.0

[sand patrol]

elfilin was scared of awoofies

he is just bitch made

[wise flame]

HE'S A RAT

GET IT RIGHTTTTTT

[sand patrol]

he was afraid of awoofies when he can fucking fly

[wise flame]

BRO DOGS ARE scary IN GENERAL

Like look at those... those...

[gleaming stream]

Also, the music

[toxic delta]

basically completely dead as SCW villain (should have been dead when Starry figure was found but people are stubborn)
at most could be in ZEX depending on what they do for latter half

[wise flame]

Look at them eyes man they're mad, I don't wanna mess with a mad dog

let alone a bad dog

[sand patrol]

galacta knight replacing phantom meta knight would be a cool twists i guess

doubt it though

[toxic delta]

or Morpho maybe

[gleaming stream]

Always bet on Nebula

[toxic delta]

(also assumes Elfilis is changed up enough)

[sand patrol]

dark nebula would be funny enough

but i think atp im gunna rule out any returning foes

related to another one maybe

but i dont think they really would justm ake up new shit for dark nebula

that kinda contradicts what he is in SS

[toxic delta]

not really, but obviously meteor stuff doesn't seem to be going in that direction anyway

[sand patrol]

he wasnt trapped i na heart shaped crystal

he was trapped in a box

in my shed

unsupervised

[spiral void]

the nefarious left missing piece of the heart

[toxic delta]

I mean origin was probably different but yeah I think meteor would look different if it was him

[sand patrol]

i guess galacta theory is now being swapped in for more void shit

yippppeeee

not another 6 years of void discourse

[toxic delta]

tbf I wouldn't be surprised if there were parallels (there basically already are lol)

[sand patrol]

heart imagery

[toxic delta]

also birth

[sand patrol]

also calamity

[toxic delta]

and darkness and crystal sealings
that's about it rn

[gleaming stream]

Horrible

[sand patrol]

i think that would also kinda be lame if only cause i also find void's lore entirely uninteresting as well

i get its supposed to be just speculation bait but i dont like it

[toxic delta]

nah it's pretty interesting overall
but people just do not care to research what his whole thing is at all

really I just wish the explanations were more accessible at least

and that English localization didn't suck too

[sand patrol]

i think i just prefer when the hidden lore is more to tell additions to the story like TDX

or even FL

[twin fog]

I mean it is

[sand patrol]

but it still leaves forgo relatively mysterious

[wise flame]

Void's got a big problem where entire theories based around them are made without acknowledgement of niche/inaccessible areas of information that absolutely debunks them

[toxic delta]

primordial chaos-type stuff kicks ass
...and also fits in with bit of the series too in various ways

[wise flame]

Like yes, the information's there somewhere, but wow you gotta be in a nerd's club like here to fully grasp it...

[sand patrol]

i still have no idea what void is

[toxic delta]

I love my things that can turn into anything

[sand patrol]

cause i get conflicting answers

[wise flame]

Void is like

"I think therefore I am"

[twin fog]

void is my mom

[wise flame]

Wow another addition to the lore

[toxic delta]

Void is just
that child who is nothing that is influenced/dyed by things and can become anything

[wise flame]

Hence the "I think therefore I am"

[twin fog]

Zerbie do you just say words to sound smart

[sand patrol]

preferably

[wise flame]

Not in this particular moment, no

[toxic delta]

(basically simplest explanation without getting into all the specifics of the SA Voids)

[sand patrol]

okay so void is actualyl super simple and people just overthink tf outo f it

[wise flame]

I just used a word with the meaning I thought worked and rolled with it

[toxic delta]

for most part yeah

[sand patrol]

see from what i understood it was something kind of similar but more like the point was that despite how inherently evil void is kirby is good enough to potentially make them into a friend

[wise flame]

Anyways ignoring that for a moment-
Oh boy I can't wait to see what the deal is with Meteorz

I mean the dark star

[sand patrol]

at least thats what i thought all the flavor text was getting at

[wise flame]

or the... whatever the hell it will be revealed as-

[high widget]

Void is actually Friend Deltarune

[wise flame]

Maybe this "dark star" is just friendly

[twin fog]

The TL;DR of Void is "Man sees Kirby's face, man hears Green Greens (Maybe), 'This guy is related to Kirby', they ask 'hey what's Void's lore' and some random guy goes 'Void is what Kirby was before absorbing positivity' an goes 'the first thing I heard is right', then a few months later someone finally says 'actually the answer is not what you were told' and man goes 'um FUCK YOU ASSHOLE'"

[wise flame]

Maybe it's just unpleasant existentially

Like a baby crocodile

...wrong analogy

It's like... what's the ugliest harmless thing ever?

It's like one of those things

Alternatively, the classic trope of "warner of impending doom"

[sand patrol]

but yea bring on fecto glupshitto

im ready

[wise flame]

A harmless benevolent entity who has been wrongly concluded to be a problem to be rid of

[gleaming stream]

The only Void I like is Voidco

[wise flame]

At least dude knows his place

void void still doesn't know how to anything

[toxic delta]

oh no, Friend Hearts hurt the SA Voids and those ones are all implied dead LMAO (though Astral Birth Void dies happy at least)
but they don't fully make the latter clear ingame

[twin fog]

Like honestly if miiverse didn't exist for Kumazaki to say Star Dream was built from blueprints I feel like people would still be saying Star Dream is Galactic Nova after Haltmann found and repaired it and people would also be going 'um FUCK YOU' whenever someone had to point at some obscure JP magazine where Kumazaki mentioned Haltmann used blueprints to make it

[toxic delta]

https://vxtwitter.com/Kirby_JP/status/1371657545081745409 most we have of alive and happy Voids is like, possibly this small Void Soul-esque one
and good chance it's separately birthed one

星のカービィ (@Kirby_JP)

ジャマハローア！
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vxTwitter / fixvx · Mar 16, 2021, 3:00 AM

they're so small....

[twin fog]

Back when PR was new there were so many people that were pissing and crying after the miiverse post because they had come to the conclusion Star Dream was Nova itself and not just another of the same type of machine and they would argue about the stupidest technicalities of the ask-a-thon post and try to claim that it never actually said star dream was made from blueprints

That's basically void arguments except void arguments never died out b/c the clear answer wasn't anywhere as well known as miiverse

[toxic delta]

I wonder how people would feel if they actually straight up said Sectonia made the Sun Stones or that DMK didn't corrupt her lol

[twin fog]

I mean when you have a sentence that straight up says 'sectonia corrupted by the power of the mirror' and people still go "well DMK was in the mirror ! ! ! ! !"

[toxic delta]

don't forget TKCD existing though tbf it was barely clear wtf was going on there either

[vagrant hound]

DMK was in the mirror
He corrupted the mirror because he is evil ❌
He was stuck in the mirror like an idiot ⭕

[twin fog]

I want to take TKCD and burn it

[vagrant hound]

do not burn magolor's triumphant return!

[toxic delta]

put it basically everywhere but the places that got localized into English lmao

[wise flame]

Look we can only have one child

Either it's the one with Taranza or the one with Galacta Knight

Can't have both sorry!

[toxic delta]

ignoring the fact SA's localization stuff sucks and they'd probably find way to fuck it up anyway

(also ignore the fact the JP version of Hyness rant exists)

[twin fog]

Anyway begging for SCW to have a good localization

[wise flame]

It will

[toxic delta]

hopefully....

[wise flame]

It's totally not gonna like

[toxic delta]

I wish English sites were updated at least to check shit though

[wise flame]

have to add an additional piece of lore to explain why a character is named a certain way

[twin fog]

It should
This definitely feels like something Nintendo would have on high priority compared to say Wave 3 SA

[lean grove]

realistically its not

[vagrant hound]

Neichel will be named Nature

[toxic delta]

wtf are they localizing dark star as

[wise flame]

You wouldn't add a region exclusive lore over their major name change would you?

[lean grove]

probably evil meteor

that's pretty consistent in the flavor text and promotional material

[vagrant hound]

“Dark Comet”

Just watch it happen /j

[twin fog]

Ermmmmm neichel is already named in base FL ! ! ! 111

[toxic delta]

but meteor is already a seperate term....

[twin fog]

They will just conflate those terms

[toxic delta]

but unfortunately probably right

[vagrant hound]

I hope your pillow smells like Fecto forgo tonight

[wise flame]

The fact that leopard girl over here is called "Carol" by default in JP, she can be named "Carol" in english, but the localizers were like "Nah doesn't sound like she's from the beast pack"... and then they save her real name for a post-game reward

[twin fog]

They will call it Dark Comet and then we can make 5 million jokes about Comet

[wise flame]

And they bothered explaining this localization change for the figure- ughhhhh

[vagrant hound]

Dark Comet (omg comet like our admin!!!!!1!1!1!1!)

[toxic delta]

no she's called Clawroline in JP too it's just not as clear

[lean grove]

noa looking at the 100+ flavor texts to localize and giving up

[wise flame]

Very funny detail ngl but don't do-

fuck nevermind

[toxic delta]

this is mentioned in guidebook too

[wise flame]

Yeah ok nevermind about all that

[toxic delta]

only thing different is they do not make name change reason explicitly stated in JP ingame

and just almost appears as if a shortening of the name

[glad path]

The "nevermind all that" act from Gravity Falls?!11!/j

[twin fog]

Its like the funny Clocker name that's a combo of Crow, Black, and uh
...
Uh
Was it Locker?

[wise flame]

Hey I'm outta the loop on things but... have the interviews for FL not reveal any crazy tidbits?

I'd very much like every lore thing to be found in-game here

A negligible quirk like "oh she eats grass sometimes" I can understand being only found in an interview

[twin fog]

Yea FL is the anomaly where basically no story exists outside of whats in the game
At most you just have dumb random tidbits like how elfilis' attacks move at light speed or shit

[wise flame]

Good keep it that way

Miiverse made them too comfortable holding crazy details outta the game

[glad path]

Wait do Elfilis' attacks actually move at the speed of light

[wise flame]

hyperbole, I know

He's faster than sonic

he's faster than sonic

[twin fog]

The guidebook says that Green Flash and uhhhh fuck whats his thrust move called

[wise flame]

"the move that kills kirby"

[twin fog]

but yea the two moves where he charges with his spear pointing forward move at lightspeed apparently

[glad path]

W h a t

[wise flame]

Faster than sonic

GETS STUCK IN A FUCKING JAR

[toxic delta]

'crow' and 'locker' in English, 黒 and cry of a crow in JP

[wise flame]

Typical MOUSE BEHAVIOR

[twin fog]

Funny ass guidebook text

[toxic delta]

mentioning, still really funny Clockers only named ingame at all in...German

wonder if SCW will actually name them ingame lmao

[wise flame]

what the hell is a clocker-

oh those guys

[twin fog]

We will totally get clocker figure now right
Right

[toxic delta]

oh right Italian too

[wise flame]

"Clocker"

There's a bird in here, it found its way in!

[toxic delta]

guess the latter thing would be カーカー
still funny these seemingly have different origins despite seeming basically the same

[glad path]

Ah yes
The birds who I'm not convinced that the red thing in the center of their face is actually a beak

It looks like a weird eyeball to me

It's extremely reflective and I don't see any indication of a lower jaw

[wise flame]

Have you seen a bird

[glad path]

Yes, I'm saying clockers don't look like they have a lower jaw at all

[glad path]

Ok but you can see where a parrot's beak splits from a side profile
Clockers don't have that segmentation

Look at the ones on the sides
There's no indication of a lower beak half

[olive coral]

https://fxtwitter.com/Kirby_JP/status/1956914177509060706

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this music

chat i think we're fucking DOOMED

[glad path]

Also if those are beaks how tf would they open them

[tacit saffron]

yes calm evil music because meteor

reborn or something

seal it away again (that won't do at all)

somehow Astronomer Dee knows about the history of it

[somber temple]

I would vouch to rename it to Crocker for a better pun on "Crow"

but then it'd remind me of THAT teacher from Fairly Odd-Parents

[grave fractal]

So the Dark Star is said to bring calamity and devour everything, huh?

[olive coral]

[hybrid bolt]

the finale certainly gave me such an experience

Forgotten Land is my favorite kirby game for a lot of reasons.

[wise flame]

Birds typically open their mouths with their bottom jaw

Sure their top jaw moves a bit as well a bit...

IDK do your homework on this I don't got the time

I'm more bothered by how I can't google a bird that looks like that bird though

I SWEAR I SAW THIS BEAK SHAPE BEFORE

[olive coral]

sonic better watch his ass

[wise flame]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

-# You're not gonna understand the reference

[olive coral]

uhhh

cause you were also talking about how it's faster than sonic?

[wise flame]

I guess I have to elaborate...

||"Sonic's Ass Game", an official description of Crash Bandicoot by developers||

...I do not think the execution of the joke worked as well as I thought

[olive coral]

It did not :>

[wise flame]

As I suspect...

[olive coral]

you'll get em next time champ

maybe when the stars cross this world of ours

[wise flame]

These Stars are CROSSING me off

I am the original Star Crosser

[reef patrol]

I just checked Kirby news and WOAH that tracks hits different

[marsh hull]

This is still wild to me

The fact that SCW isn't post game exclusive and is accessible as you're playing through the game on a completely new save file at earliest

[torn vapor]

I’m not sure

Since the stages also go through late game stuff like redgar

And you need to beat dedede in order to access the forbidden isle

Which is where redgar is

[tacit saffron]

clearly that would have to apply to all "Levels"

[torn vapor]

So what they meant is that the starry levels can only be accessed when a world is beaten

Meaning that in order to fully beat scw you need to complete redgar which means defeating elfilis

So technically it’s not post game but also post game at the same time

Ultimate cup z ex is obv unlocked after beating forgo dreams and scw

[marsh hull]

Indeed

Raises a bunch of questions, especially if there's a whole final world unlocked after beating all the Starry Levels in the base game on that island shown in the trailer

I doubt its a whole new world but eh, I can never tell with Kirby sometimes

[shut pendant]

l o r e

[marsh hull]

I feel like out of all the Kirby games Forgotten Land might be the one with the most supernatural BS aside from Return To Dreamland lol

Maybe, I just feel like during and after World 6 we veer into pretty far off territory for how grounded the game usually is, like exploring different dimensions and now stars raining down and breaking reality in SCW lol

[tacit saffron]

well...

usually any post game levels after the game is done

either is fully new or just remixed

or just the whole game again

with some changes but not too much of being remixed (almost no new rooms to encounter)

[marsh hull]

I don't really see SCW as an entirely new 3D Kirby game and more so just an upgrade of the main game albeit a fairly major upgrade

Soooo like I said, I doubt there's gonna be a new world at all, if there is, it could be cool, but it's a $20 expansion so I doubt they'd get super duper crazy, ig we'll see

[tacit saffron]

FD was a bunch of remixed element stages combined into a bigger stage with at least one new room added to each

where as in Starry Stages you only get one remixed room at the start and then for the rest of it it will divert while still using elements from prior stages

[tacit saffron]

it's another "extra game"

[marsh hull]

Well yeah...

Aaaaaand not really

It's weird because it's not exactly post game content like most extra games are

The best comparison I can say is that SCW is kinda similar to the Extra Game in the original Kirby's Dream Land... just expanded upon to include new rooms for old stages

That said you can technically access it before the end of the game, just like the original Extra Game, whereas other Extra Games are post game exclusive

[tacit saffron]

unlocked after base main game

whereas this will be available shortly after completeing the first level of the game

extra/secret stages aren't usually unlocked after beating a certain boss either

you can play them before you go beat the boss

just like Mario

[marsh hull]

Well after completing the first boss of the game then you unlock the first batch of Starry Levels, not quite just after the beginning of the game but close to the beginning

[tacit saffron]

well still early

[sand patrol]

well actually

it looks like the overview trailer is slightly incorrect

its not unlocked after beating gorimondo

seems more like its unlocked after savign a certain amount of waddle dees

[marsh hull]

Sooooooo the amount of Waddle Dees you need to even fight Gorimondo I presume

Or maybe more than that, I'm not sure

Nope less than that 100%

Huh I didn't catch that before

[sand patrol]

you can see the boss door is still here and the level is unlocked

[marsh hull]

Yep I just now noticed LMAO

[sand patrol]

so prolly tied to unlocking astronomer waddle dee

[marsh hull]

That is... really early to unlock the SCW levels then

[tacit saffron]

if that's the case then these are just straight up EX stages

[marsh hull]

Just multiple of them per world... so like Star Allies

[sand patrol]

similar to the ones from PR and TDX i guess

[tacit saffron]

because that was the method in the 3DS games

[sand patrol]

but we also have no idea how they unlock in future worlds

dont know if they become accessible right after beating the main stage

after a certain amount of waddle dees are collected in said world

beating the boss

no clue

[tacit saffron]

one of the dees gets changed to astronomer

maybe after the 4th stage

[marsh hull]

I feel like even tho we got a lot of info about SCW I still don't feel like I know much about it

Which is good mind you, I'm just anxious to see what happens

[tacit saffron]

that's a good thing

[sand patrol]

i feel like we know a lot about it and not a lot cause its not that big of an expansion

gunna have 12 levels at least

[tacit saffron]

slightly shorter than ME

or a bit more than that

[sand patrol]

im guessing more then ME

cause levels in general are much bigger in FL

[marsh hull]

The original game had 25 regular levels

So 12 sounds like a lot for a minimum number

[tacit saffron]

right

there's more of them in ME however that's due to them being short challenges for Magolor to go comboing on

[sand patrol]

also this games levels despite having asset reuse are still built from the ground up besides the first screen

i think its actually insane the amount of detail that HAL put into the level aesthetics

[tacit saffron]

the extra mouthful modes are something though

[marsh hull]

Iirc they also rebuilt RTDLDX from the ground up

So I'm not too surprised HAL just loves doing that

[sand patrol]

SA i think is their worst game artistically of the modern titles

[tacit saffron]

usually the main mechanics/gimmick are like already done and dusted during the post game

[sand patrol]

which clearly was a symptom of having to go big

from a 3DS handheld to an HD console

[marsh hull]

Worst is subjective, like I can see people saying the opposite because of how graphically dense Star Allies is

[sand patrol]

it is but also FL blows it out of the water

in terms of detail

and the performance is just better

[marsh hull]

For me I'm 50/50, the game has a lot of fidelity to it and pushes 2D Kirby to it's limits graphically more so than other Kirby games

But then Star Allies is kinda bland in its themings which hold it back

[shut pendant]

this was a mistake not present in the japanese overview btw

[sand patrol]

yes

however this still does happen

so it does imply that its tied ot waddle dees regardless

or something else

which makes sense considering how you unlock the waddle dees in town is tied to the number

[marsh hull]

The best we know that it's somewhere around World 1 that you can actually access it

[sand patrol]

and astronomer waddle dee is likely the trigger for it

[marsh hull]

Actually I wonder how in the world SCW will impact the MAIN main game

[sand patrol]

i think they just worded it this way cause its the easiest to get across

[marsh hull]

Like the best comparison I can draw from is Pokemon with its DLC and how you can use DLC mons introduced there into the main game

[sand patrol]

and the amount needed is less then the boss gate anyways

so yea you will unlock it by beating natural plains

[tacit saffron]

after all the collectables thse days are supposed to reward the player for taking their time to do this optional long side quest

did it for Lor Starcutter and with WDT

[sand patrol]

i do think the fact to get this game complete now its 80 dollars is fucked up

even if it is 60 + 20 dlc

i just dont think this game really should be priced that high

(kirby games in general are overpriced)

[marsh hull]

The same can be said for most Switch 2 games or most Switch games at this point

Unfortunately gaming as a luxury has increased exponentially in price that people can't keep up and I don't blame them

But that's another story

[sand patrol]

i suppose elden ring + expansion was like 100 bucks

and SRCW is fucking 90

so its not the worst of base game + dlc pricing

[marsh hull]

I will say I am kinda glad that at least the Switch 2 version comes with a proper expansion for the game compared to something like idk Legend Of Zelda BOTW or TOTK Switch 2 editions costing that much as well

At least I assume they are, maybe they aren't and it renders this point mute

[sand patrol]

they only cost 10 extra but yea

TOTK goes up to 80

i think the difference is TOTK is massive

[marsh hull]

There's also BOTW DLC to account for btw

[sand patrol]

FL is pretty short

but its very concise short its exatly how long it needs to be

(FL is actually one of the most "perfectly" designed games out there I think)

[marsh hull]

That's why I don't really tend to equate video game length to price tag

[sand patrol]

i think it does play a heavy factor

[marsh hull]

Some games are designed to be short and long, just depends on what they do with that length

[tacit saffron]

don't forget Splatoon

[marsh hull]

It's not wrong to think that way ofc, equating length to price

Just not how I see it as I tend to prefer games of a shorter length or pretty much any length so long as it hooks me enough to be worth the price

[tacit saffron]

since Octo Expansion they've had "extra games" added to them through DLC

[marsh hull]

Which in the case of FL, it definitely does

[tacit saffron]

I do think Splatoon DLC extra games/story modes take way longer to complete

[marsh hull]

That's true, they are seperate from the main game tho iirc

SCW is an upgrade of the base game and is more directly tied to it which I find interesting

[tacit saffron]

they're similar to ME

[sand patrol]

its very hard to speratel ength and price just cause its always such a massive comparison factor

BOTW and FL being the same base price and they are both on opposite ends of the length spectrum

[torn vapor]

Tbh the games gonna be out next week

So lets see how the stages are rlly unlocked

[marsh hull]

I feel like that's because it's such a common factor when people usually say that a game should justify this price with this length

[sand patrol]

regardless of the semantics of the unlock method the main thing here is its a sunsequent adventure not post game

[marsh hull]

I personally have no issue seperating price from length, I more so join price and the quality of the content together instead

[tacit saffron]

+20 because they have more significant new content/DLC instead of just a hardware/software upgrade

[sand patrol]

i do think they did touch up their texture work as well

[tacit saffron]

this but 20+

[sand patrol]

not significant but they are not as blurry anymore

[marsh hull]

It's complicated, and video games are a pretty broad topic overall which makes them interesting to talk about

Which is why I wanna be non-binary when talking about them, accounting for multiple options for a game's worth rather than just... 2 or 3

[sand patrol]

i should also say that price is not something i will use to take away from the game design

[tacit saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/the-square-hole-square-hole-shapes-piklas-gif-24625312

[sand patrol]

price is not a flaw of FL cause at the end of the day the devs dont control that

and it doesnt have bearing on their work

[tacit saffron]

it's up to Nintendo to decide that

[marsh hull]

It's just a flaw of modern gaming in general

Just being too broadly overpriced which is unfortunate

[sand patrol]

like the eshop titles have fine pricing

[tacit saffron]

the only similar stuff to this on the market is extended tech demos turned into games

[rustic crow]

Ominous...

[tacit saffron]

that's right Canvas Curse 3 is coming out in 2026!

Use the mouse controls to get Kirby on the right path!

[sand patrol]

they did knock off one of FL biggest flaws

that being performance

so thats one of like my 3 issues with the game gone

-small ability pool (game is designed heavily around the ones it has anyways but its still a disappointing departure for fans)
-some secret missions (90% are fine so a very small amount are duds)
-buying shop items for certain figures is weird and maybe too cryptic
-not enough mini boss variety

thats about it and its all very minor

[tacit saffron]

the winner of mediocre boss variety is RTDLDX!!

how does it feel to get another win?

: alien noises

[sand patrol]

i think only one more mini boss would have rounded out the rosterb etter

and we are kind of getting that in SCW

but its exclusive to that stuff so meh

[tacit saffron]

shoutout to Blocky in DL3 for only appearing during the mid boss tower

[toxic delta]

think it's just a debug thing
else they could have easily just mentioned that on JP/Chinese/Korean article

[tacit saffron]

at least present wise you can expect to find at least 1 or 2 in a specific stage for each level

[toxic delta]

and there are other clear signs of debug stuff being used throughout most of the trailers

[sand patrol]

ive re evaluated sillydillo as a boss and while i think its still the weakest boss in the game i get the idea is he is supposed to be a boss where range attacks are the best option which no other boss really has

[toxic delta]

(funny coin counts)

[sand patrol]

its why the secret mission is beating him with hammer

the subbiest range with the slowest attacks

[tacit saffron]

these starry stages hosting a harder variant of existing mediocre class boss in the same level is another sign to being EX(tra) levels

[sand patrol]

not impossible

but also it being tied to finding atronomer waddle dee and thus waddle dee count makes sense too

so im not gunna count it out

doesnt really matter as its going to be unlocked in the first workd regardless

[tacit saffron]

the new are you winning Kirby Dee truly is the remembered land all along

because everyone forgot/doesn't know about them

soon enough we all will!

[tepid burrow]

The music:

[tacit saffron]

you should be more like I'M SO READY!

[tepid burrow]

11 days to go…

[violet gorge]

Something tells me the star of darkness is gonna resurrect regardless

Unless this dlc is gonna pull some
“Lol you ain’t got enough starries! Heres a uber boss”

[languid cobalt]

You know what

I dont think that elfilis is going to get another form

We saw that he merged back with elfilin in the ucz

So either there will be a new boss

Or it will be a chaos elfilis with a revamped movesey

[reef patrol]

My guess is that the Starries attempt to seal the heart but fail and the heart resurrects anyway and Kirby has to beat it into submission

[turbid nexus]

Agreed

Something is gonna go wrong at the last second as usual lol

[languid cobalt]

But the question is

Will it be aeon hero?

Or will it be some other big monster

[turbid nexus]

At this point I think it's a new guy
But my like, most unrealistic prediction is someone else from the Dark Matter Clan

Man these two weeks are gonna suck lmao

[languid cobalt]

Yeah

Especially the day before because we'll have to start dodging spoilers

[tacit saffron]

he has to open the heart

[tardy mortar]

would it be funny if there's a starry stage in... Forgo Dreams

where the real shit happens

or

new post game, Starry Dreams

[high widget]

that would be really funny

[remote herald]

When i know its some dark matter shit but i cant prove it

[tepid burrow]

You have summoned me

[remote herald]

Dark matter is inside that heart

[hearty sorrel]

lmao hiii

dunno if this has been discussed or not but like at first i thought its a silly easter egg. then i saw the lor starcutter symbols, and the starty crystals, and neichel is an in universe character??? whuhhh

[tardy mortar]

I mean Neichel has always been in-universe

She sang Welcome to the New World

[hearty sorrel]

but this is the first time shes mentioned in a level right?

[tardy mortar]

no

oh, in a level, maybe

but she has been mentioned in-game before

[toxic delta]

in a stage, but not in a level (sort of)

Natural Plains is Neichel Plains in JP (though neichel is also just considered a new world language word too)

[tepid burrow]

I wonder what Neichel’s real name is

[random tendon]

like I've said before I believe when we discussed this sign, I think this is just an easter egg, and in-game it's just an older advertising of a show for neichel and that's all

[toxic delta]

that being said yeah, she's mentioned in the credits but it's not really clear unless you already know

and was only elaborated on in Nintendo Dream interview afterwards

[vagrant hound]

with us knowing the meteor has fallen several times in past, I wonder how many times it fell during the life of Neichel unless she died to it (Plus it was told in the legend, so she mustve known about it)

[tardy mortar]

Neichel is a word in-game though

so honestly I kinda understood it was a nickname from the get go

with just the game

[hearty sorrel]

no but the reason im thinking about it is because the new somgs that have to do with the starry stages, and the motives of the whole mode, are weirdly vocal. a lot of singing in em

[toxic delta]

I meant like with English version

[tepid burrow]

Any Figure predictions?

[vagrant hound]

whatever, go, mike kirby, destroy the meteor

[toxic delta]

yeah, and billboard has one of the crystals so must have seen Starry stuff too...

[tardy mortar]

no

baseball bat Kirby

please send the meteor away

(and maybe destroy a planet or two it doesn't matter)

[toxic delta]

finally Star Slam Heroes 2

[tepid burrow]

Where is SA Switch 2 Edition?

[tardy mortar]

doesn't exist

[vagrant hound]

it'll happen when RTDLDX gets 86 updates

[tardy mortar]

RTDL DX 86.0.0

[tepid burrow]

Star Allies 2?!

Get It? Star Allies got many updates

[grave fractal]

I'm very confident it will explode and crystalize the volcano, yea

[tacit saffron]

ascending into the heavens

you fight Crystal Kracko

always goes where the winds take Kirby

[twin fog]

which no other boss has because that fundamentally contradicts Kirby's game design where you can bring whatever ability you want but don't have the power to switch them midfight unless the ability shows up in the fight other than switching to Normal

In the first place I fundamentally disagree with the idea that Sillydillo was intentionally designed to be a boss where range attacks are the best option

They give you hammer, bomb, and needle for the sillydillo fight with Hammer being the Waddle Dee mission, then they give you Fire and Ranger for Phantom Sillydillo

Only 2 of those five abilities are ranged attackers
Except bomb's design kinda sucks ass and it actually works more like a close combat ability if its used well

[sand patrol]

needle actually works cause its roll can hit sillydillos roll

and pick up and throw the stars they leave behind

bomb also lays them for him to run into

so yea

[vagrant hound]

I’m currently witnessing someone talking about how Elfilis is actually not a bad guy and will be shown in SCW

[sand patrol]

but also bosses were never designed ot beaten with every ability

they are designed to be beaten with NO ability

so in even the 2D games the certain bosses are weaker to certain abilities

[vagrant hound]

“They’re actually not invasive species”

“Neichel is spreading propaganda that Elfilis is bad”

I’m going to lose my mind

[twin fog]

We're not in 1996 no modern game has a boss that plays as god awful as phantom sillydillo does if you just bring in the wrong ability (Half the game's abilities)

[sand patrol]

it doesnt play god awfully thats just hyperbole

but you are at a disadvantage

but hammer still gets to nuke its health

[twin fog]

After suffering through an entire minute of constant uninteresting attacks before there's an opening if you don't kill phase 3 before it ever starts attacking

[sand patrol]

its not a terrlby interesting boss cause its attacks to force you to range are just roll

and roll again

he is just kinda mediocre

he aint no fucking pyribbit

thats for sure

[twin fog]

Yea
He's way worse

[toxic delta]

Ranger also isn't the best even here because charging takes a while (duh) so would moreso be easier to do normal shots during bit of moves if at all, and only is slight bit faster
(worth noting blueprint for Space Ranger also isn't gotten until Redgar too)
though even for speedruns, they use bit of Rapid Fire Shots or are close up anyway for good portion of the fight for Colosseum runs from what I can tell

[sand patrol]

at least you can always attack him with the right ability and with no ability you can bait the roll into corners to get spits in

[shrewd oracle]

Tbh i think pyribbit is way overrated for being annoying

[sand patrol]

pyribbit just background camps too much

[toxic delta]

TDX Pyribbit is just annoying yeah

[sand patrol]

nothing wrong with it in moderation

[toxic delta]

Clash ones are bit more iffy because it's Clash

[sand patrol]

elfilis also bg camps but generally its not for long and the chaos version ahs deadly attacks when it does

[shrewd oracle]

Chaos elfilis is fine, the normal elfilis fight they definitely camp too much

[twin fog]

I mean a lot of final bosses bg camp but the difference is they're final bosses and its cool
When some random guy does it its just annoying

[toxic delta]

Elfilis aura farms at least
(I think they're annoying too though)

[sand patrol]

i dont think its nearly as annoying as pyribbit though

[wise flame]

A background camping boss must have an incredible weakness or an opportunity for a great attack to compensate for the time spent not taking damage...

[sand patrol]

though ive enver found elfilis annoying period

[twin fog]

me staring at true arena magolor soul phase 2 and seeing he has full health even though he transitioned like 69 years ago b/c he just stays in the bg the entire time for super sand and super mecha bullshit

[sand patrol]

cause anytime he does come down its usually for a good bit

[wise flame]

Elfilis is only annoying when you're trying to best your own timescores

[twin fog]

I think its really funny how for the Ultimate Cup battle with normal elfilis they removed his opening attack where he uses orbital pulsar twice and just jump straight to the antares meteor

[wise flame]

It's so damn good to end their first form before they could do that laser grid thing

[toxic delta]

depends, sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't

[twin fog]

Like ig its not the first time, like Magolor Soul in wii skips black hole in the true arena as well

[toxic delta]

oh wait is the pattern stuff really different there? lmao

[sand patrol]

yea

[twin fog]

Yea elfilis immediately comes down with antares meteor in The ultimate cup instead of using orbital pulsars twice first

[shrewd oracle]

Tempest Sand and uhhh

[sand patrol]

once again i think if they sit in the background for a big attack you have to avoid or take a shit ton of damage its fine

cause you are still keeping engagement with the boss

[wise flame]

All I want for August 28th is for the Elfilis music to properly sync to the phases

[shrewd oracle]

Yeah this is why base orbital pulsar spam is boring af

[twin fog]

Mechalor Cannon /s

Elfilis's music sync is funny

They make it transition to the bridge once elfilis hits 70% then it loops the 5 second bridge until elfilis hits 40% which is when he transitions to phase 2

[wise flame]

Just cut to the finale when phase 2 starts already

[vagrant hound]

MAGOLOR???

[twin fog]

Like I feel like a more sensible way to do it would be like
At 55% (Or whatever percent would work best) they activate the transition to the bridge and once the music reaches the bridge, the next hit transitions elfilis to phase 2 regardless of what HP he's at

so the bridge doesn't end up looping for 69 years if the player is doing damage really slowly

And they can still set a hard limit for the transition to happen early out of sync with the music if the player is doing damage too fast

[sterile quartz]

I would have made it so the bridge keeps going once he's at 55-50% (but i swear it started at 60 not 70)

[remote herald]

What if...

[languid cobalt]

If the heart turns into a clockwork star i will literally eat a watch

[remote herald]

It would be so awesome though

[languid cobalt]

True

[remote herald]

My mind tells me this is some dark matter shit but my heart yearns for galactic nova

[sterile quartz]

my guess is that it's related to elfilis somehow
the translation implies the meteor will release something terrible if allowed

[remote herald]

ok im kind of just spitballing here

[toxic delta]

probably one of Forgo's species yeah

Elfilin's comments are also sus

[remote herald]

but the same can be said about a nova given a bad wish

[toxic delta]

not really

[remote herald]

kind of like the wish marx made

[sterile quartz]

what was odd about it

i just saw that he had a bad vibe from it

[toxic delta]

how he commented on the bad feeling (and feeling unsure) yeah

[toxic delta]

most Nova did is...move towards Pop Star

[sterile quartz]

im not sure if that's particularly sus

[sterile quartz]

im not even sure if it was going to actually crash

as even in JP marx just wanted to control the planet not kill everyone

[remote herald]

well there are multiple novas

[toxic delta]

*clockwork stars, we haven't seen another 'Nova'

[remote herald]

whatever you know what i mean

but yeah i think there is a non zero chance that its the heart of a clockwork star

becuase that would also explain why it crashed down like a meteor

[toxic delta]

'...Hey, Kirby. This feeling, I'm not sure... I have a very bad feeling about this.'
keep in mind some of his wording with Forgo stuff in base game

[nocturne pebble]

Wait does Access Ark not count

[toxic delta]

no

[remote herald]

well the ancients didnt make that but the existence of blueprints means there are most likely more than one

[tacit saffron]

evil feelings

[toxic delta]

definitely feels like he recognizes it but obviously can't remember stuff

[toxic delta]

more than one clockwork star, never said they were all considered Novas specifically though

[remote herald]

yeah i just used the wrong term

i meant clockwork star

[nocturne pebble]

Ah so like Nova the character

[toxic delta]

anyway main thing with Access Ark is uh
we sort of can't tell what HWC added, and what is partially Mother Computer side

[nocturne pebble]

That makes sense

[devout surge]

Dark mater

[hybrid hornet]

why does he recognize it if it's a different Forgo /joke

[remote herald]

what if the evil heart is actualy the friends we made along the way

[toxic delta]

(if ID-F86 was 'born' from one maybe)

[toxic delta]

like Mother Computer can make the heart portals too, is that part of original blueprints? is that even part of Access Ark itself?

[nocturne pebble]

I don't know maybe it has something to do with the biology, Forgo Dreams suggests the feeling of being Elfilis remains in Elfilin

[toxic delta]

that too

though there he more recognizes it due to when he fused with Forgo to make Elfilis right before

[devout surge]

Why would they make the final boss of the side-mode the same as the normal experience

[toxic delta]

who said that?

[devout surge]

#1357065850951041247 message

[tulip coral]

ultrby7457#0 - #Star-Crossed World (and Forgotten Land Switch 2 Edition)

probably one of Forgo's species yeah

Quoted by dutchmin.#0 • [183218676760182785] · Aug 17, 2025, 6:14 PM

[toxic delta]

one of ID-F86's whole things is consuming stuff
and that influencing its transformation to at least some degree

[tacit saffron]

[toxic delta]

even in Forgo's fucked up states

and same species does not mean they all look or act the exact same anyway

[nocturne pebble]

Mm on top of that, Access Ark also lacks some of the things we see from original Nova so yeah, who knows the extent of modification

[tacit saffron]

no way Forgo is Kirby

[toxic delta]

that'd be like saying all Dark Matter Clan is the same
when the only three confirmed members are very different

[nocturne pebble]

Fecto Kirbo

[toxic delta]

Dark Matter (the character) vs Zero vs Gooey

[devout surge]

Fair but still
It’ll be a minor bummer if it’s just another Fecto

[nocturne pebble]

They can do something new with it

[toxic delta]

I mean it'd be them actually elaborating on something with lot of potential for once
last time they did that was with.....Mirror World and Dimension Mirror stuff

multiple times

[nocturne pebble]

Kirby rarely has reoccurring main villains, and when they do they tend to change things a lot

[tacit saffron]

Kirby Clash games would like to have a word with you

[toxic delta]

also update/remake new extra mode bosses tend to connect to base game anyway

[tacit saffron]

[nocturne pebble]

The 50 versions of Kracko looking at me right now:

[toxic delta]

HiAD had Corrupt Hyness and The Three Mage Sisters
Epilogue had Crowned Doomer and Master Crown

....I guess SSU had Masked Dedede and GK if you count them, who are just harder Dedede and harder Knight that parallels MK theme-wise respectively

[nocturne pebble]

Even then those boss fights feel different from their "originals"

[toxic delta]

yeah

[nocturne pebble]

and they cover totally different story beats

[toxic delta]

only exception is with the SA stuff maybe

(though it's also the only free update one)

[nocturne pebble]

Yeah true

All is to say there's a huge precedent for similar villains not feeling same-y or lame in this series

[toxic delta]

and also Mages being revealed before release LMAO

[toxic delta]

yeah, or relatives

[tacit saffron]

[toxic delta]

again, Dark Matter Clan moment

Dark Matter's DL2 fights and Zero are bit different

[nocturne pebble]

Yeah fairly different I'd even say

They kinda share only one attack pattern

[toxic delta]

(hell DL2's one of the only games that has that style of fight that isn't a shooter in one way lol)

[tacit saffron]

deflect deflect deflect

[nocturne pebble]

Rainbow Sword is awesome

They should expand on it some day

I'll take even the most vague allusion

[tacit saffron]

well the most vague allusion is DMC

in PR

[nocturne pebble]

And I ate it

[devout surge]

Did it taste good?

[nocturne pebble]

(it is a legit interesting tidbit though)

[nocturne pebble]

Very

[toxic delta]

anyway, at minimum we could get
actual Larva fight
different weapon user
and/or also a dark star form fight
+darkness (and crystal) stuff in general too

[devout surge]

Walter White boss fight

[remote herald]

I close discord at galactic nova and come back to "larva fight" wtf is happening

[nocturne pebble]

On another note, if this meteor falling has happened multiple times, I wonder if they're trying to suggest that the fecto species has invaded the new world multiple times or that the meteor just happens to contain highly evil power and this time it just so happens that said evil is of the fecto species

[nocturne pebble]

I would love to see that soul forgo fight

[hybrid hornet]

gyeah the Soul Forgo

that got shafted by Morpho in the original

[remote herald]

Oh ok

[toxic delta]

there are probably other ID-Fs at least lol
considering 86 and 87

[hybrid hornet]

it will probably be interesting because I kinda feel like they designed Forgo without ever intending to make them a real boss fight

[devout surge]

They were probably other experiments at the lab

[toxic delta]

could contain some meteor stuff

yeah some other experiments too obviously probably

[tacit saffron]

also whose to say the power of sealing hasn't weakened over prolonged use of the ability by combining

[devout surge]

It is interesting to think about

[hybrid hornet]

its some kind of giant larva with barely any limbs to speak of, all of it's attacks would probably have to be psychic. Bet they give it some kind of ear tendril thing to fix that

[tacit saffron]

would add further to Kirby needing to destroy the meteor for good

[nocturne pebble]

Fighting the meteor itself would be a fire final battle

[tacit saffron]

I'm sure the Starries are like exhausted in some way

[nocturne pebble]

especially if against a new major mouthful mode

[toxic delta]

could also have some goopy limb stuff

[hybrid hornet]

86 was just a reference but it makes me wonder if Fecto/Forgo/Elfilin/Elfilis got reshaped repeatedly and they kept updating the ID every time, lol

[sand patrol]

nah

[toxic delta]

really depends on how much of that kind of stuff a 'normal' Fecto would have though

[hybrid hornet]

could have that and also this, together

[toxic delta]

probably not
they use same one for Forgo and Elfilis at least

[hybrid hornet]

you mean the F part?

or Forgo stays 86 even after Elfilin becomes 87

[toxic delta]

yeah the number

[hybrid hornet]

throwback to the tanks on Shiver Star

[rustic crow]

(World is beset by a dark force multiple times throughout the planets history)

Now we got Dark Gaia in Kirby?
Elfilin's real name must've been Chip this whole time

Now we just gotta get Super Sonic over here so he and Kirby can double team this threat

[sand patrol]

the truck is super sonic

[rustic crow]

Super Sonic and Kirby flying through Space side by side (with Kirby on the Warp Star)

[wise flame]

Nevermind I misunderstood the translated dialogue

I thought Astronomer Dee said this meteor visited the planet multiple times, but no I read too fast

...Wait, so the "legends" said that meteors have hit this planet multiple times before...

...and with the acknowledgement of the Dark Star within it all... Perhaps this is why everyone up and left the planet

Wondaria may not be space-themed for the sake of it, but rather its creators yearning to leave this world to avoid impending doom

[sand patrol]

i think its space theme cause space travel was quite a popular endevor

prolly was a big parto f their culture

[wise flame]

I do wonder if there's been any in-world indication of prior impacts

For something to have happened enough to be catalogued presumably in the peoples' archives, I sure don't recall seeing any of the sort in the present

[twin fog]

The dark star, coming once more to end society on this planet:
The people of this cycle, having already left because of eating forgo's intestines:

[ocean ingot]

There is one of the crystals present on the Neichel sign we saw

[olive coral]

Dark Star: lands

Forgo: So.. It arrives..

I better keep my ass in this capsule.. or I'M FINISHED ‼️

[shrewd bridge]

“Lets stop the [Dark Star] from resurrecting.:.” Now where have i heard this one before…

[ocean ingot]

Watch it just be Zero resurrecting for the second time, always bet on Zero Three /nsrs

[languid cobalt]

Who knows who it could be

Its probably a new sucker

[wise flame]

I do wonder if Elfilis was even involved with this entity prior to attempted invasion

[languid cobalt]

It will probably be related to elfilis

At the very least morpho knight

I remember there being a theory that aeon hero absorbed morpho knight when elfilis became chaos elfilis

So that could be another possibility

[wise flame]

Hrm,

Aeon Hero's got them Morpho-like runes and etches on his armor, but cannot tell the significance of that detail

Also Galacta Knight's more of a slice and dice guy rather than a... slurper

[toxic delta]

probably not with the portal stuff

(and there being time-space shenanigans anyway)

[wise flame]

I think he drinks out of the cup the way it is rather than using a straw

Getting side-tracked here-

[languid cobalt]

Here me out

There could be a fake out like parallel nightmare

[wise flame]

No, here you're in

[toxic delta]

SKC Channel desc also makes it less likely either way

anyway yeah it's probably another one of Forgo's species

[wise flame]

Forgo's already tricked us into thinking it's sleeping

This new thing has probably already taken action upon landing

[hybrid hornet]

I don't remember Aeon Hero having those actually. I'm personally going to take that as evidence they fused

[toxic delta]

also don't think they'll do boss fake-out this time because we already have something to reveal (what is to be born in the dark star)

[toxic delta]

tbf Epilogue stuff has it too

this is part of the whole reason I thought Morpho would be in back then

[hybrid hornet]

ehhh? I see "runes" and I do think the same stuff that was on the Lor's console

but in the context of Aeon Hero... those swirly fancy elegant patterns?

[wise flame]

A creature capable of mind control, dimensional warping, and even creating new realities entirely...

[toxic delta]

I'm talking like the HUD elements, not the runes

[wise flame]

...May be a stretch to assume Elfilis and this other entity are connected telepathically

[toxic delta]

the funny flowery sword stuff (pretty sure there were other instances too but can't remember off top my head where)

[wise flame]

...But it feels like there's more to Elfilis' reason of arrival than what base-game has shown us

[toxic delta]

oh right the Etereal Altar aesthetic in general

[wise flame]

The big thing to worry about is how Elfilis somehow recognizes Popstar

[hybrid hornet]

that's so neat

[wise flame]

How would a creature seemingly trapped in one world suddenly decide to steal away creatures from another world?

[hybrid hornet]

I do think Aeon Hero is from the past esp since Bandana Dee does the funny "maybe [you?/someone] will encounter him in The Future"

[vagrant hound]

Showing up because Magolor

[hybrid hornet]

the funny Pop Star on the blue prints:

[wise flame]

Perhaps Elfilis was working alongside the entity

[toxic delta]

but yeah Aeon Hero (Light/Dark) and Morpho's aren't really super-similar either
it is just a general thing at this point

[wise flame]

Being more of an enforcer tasked to weaken one world to let something else finish it off

[vagrant hound]

I always find it funny how cartoonish the broken glass in the back where Leongar is sitting

[wise flame]

In all that time it spent sleeping, it's managed to control the local animal population, who is to say its telepathy stretches beyond the planet's very atmosphere?

[toxic delta]

tbf he's ancient in all games (this is also the first time he's been to Dream Kingdom parallel so it's not that)

[wise flame]

With the acknowledgement of this species' scary intelligence and abilities, it is odd how the "Dark Star" is just... letting us re-seal it

No resistance or anything...

The only thing it's done is make a mess and just give bad vibes overall...

[toxic delta]

is also possible that since Starries travel space-time (probably another dimension road) it just ended up there anyway

[hybrid hornet]

oh yeah and Morpho Knight's design actually came before Aeon Hero's I think
so if either of them was inspired by the other it'd be Aeon Hero

[toxic delta]

or mix of that and dark star travelling it in general (assuming it is Forgo's species)

[toxic delta]

definitely before lol, Morpho is from GCN afterall

same type of markings back then

[wise flame]

I don't think the Dark Star is interdimensional, especially since it's something that is both visible and catalogued by the natives

[toxic delta]

I mean, that'd be like saying Elfilis isn't

[wise flame]

It's capable, sure, but it's just this thing that exists

The thing is, Elfilis was a surprise

It doesn't seem like anything in game has indicated that people were aware of this thing beforehand, unlike the Dark Star

[turbid nexus]

My guess is because it hasn’t "awoken" yet
Like a hibernation state

[wise flame]

That's what it wants you to think

That's what Big Meteor wants you to think!!

[toxic delta]

(and you can travel another dimension road without being able to make dimension holes or other space-time abilities anyway)

[wise flame]

I haven't even brought up those pink crystal guys (again)

And with the prominent Pink coloration for UCZex...

those things have to be a part of the entity

[turbid nexus]

Yeah we still don’t know the deal with this mf

[wise flame]

...Hrm ok maybe it's not wanting us to re-seal it, else these things wouldn't exist

[languid cobalt]

That makes me so excited because they're not revealing shit

[turbid nexus]

Like I wonder if this is a Dark Gaia thing where it’s minions are actually a piece of the entity itself lol

[languid cobalt]

You know what

That could be a possibility

Like

It crashed like a meteor, so its not out of the way to expect that it split apart

Kind of like if the jamba hearts were actual enemies

[drowsy shuttle]

So... i recently saw the new trailer in german
and the german title essentially translates as
"The world of fragmented stars"

[toxic delta]

yeah WiKirby has them all listed already

[toxic delta]

think it's moreso just part of its 'power of darkness'
though could have infected some of the crystals too

[gleaming stream]

Theory: Elfilin will do something cute

[gleaming stream]

I wonder what its name is

[sudden oracle]

I like the render of the new crystal guy

[wise flame]

https://tenor.com/view/mrbeast-mr-beast-rap-battle-mr-beast-introduction-gif-25612407

[gleaming stream]

Redraw challenge

[reef patrol]

Hmm, weird how only English goes with “star-crossed”

[wise flame]

If someone here finds a way to jailbreak a Switch 2, could you kindly please give me a model of that guy?

I'd love to model on my own but come on, it's gotta be cheap and quick!

[sand patrol]

it works

[lean grove]

it's clearly to allude to Galacta Knight crossing space and time to appear in this DLC

[gleaming stream]

The Nintendo ninjas will snipe them first

[wise flame]

No witnesses

[shrewd bridge]

Watch as i alchemically transition my switch 2 into a paperweight brick with one simple trick

[wise flame]

You Get: -$500 loss and Permanent Ban

I Get: Crystal Goon

[turbid nexus]

https://fxtwitter.com/somethinginworl/status/1957223561443115278?s=46&t=KjgI8a61BxDiubZJ7PvGsg

☠️Something In The World☠️| COMMS OPEN 2/3 (@SomethingInWorl)

All of the villains of Kirby fighting to be Star-Crossed World's final boss

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This is the third version of this joke and it never gets old

[toxic delta]

not good enough, needs every character with even the loosest connection

Sectonia is fast approaching

[gleaming stream]

That’s a reach

[toxic delta]

is joke (also I did say loosest connection)

please read lmao

[gleaming stream]

I did read

I was being ironic

[shrewd bridge]

You see sectonia has a heart shaped object on her chest

Therefore

[subtle peak]

DELTARUNE

[wise flame]

Dark Metaknight swoops in

As in the post-game of SCW you will explore a mirror world

[toxic delta]

also crystals and vocal elements and four-pointed stuff and-

[toxic delta]

and then Dark Crafter jumps in somehow and steals the colors

[sand patrol]

its gunna be real funny if this is just some new bumble fuck baddie

[toxic delta]

it's either that or Forgo species member at this point yeah

[shrewd bridge]

Guys i got it

Its obviously Dedede

[wise flame]

Oh my god bro

you all are WRONG

[toxic delta]

clearly it's Brobo from hit game Block Ball

[wise flame]

However you're CLOSER THAN THE REST

IT'S FUCKING 🐌

[shrewd bridge]

It be funny as fuck if escargoons first canon appearance was a dlc final boss

[languid cobalt]

"But sire"

[shrewd bridge]

Peak trolling

[toxic delta]

he came back for revenge after being forgotten (in the lands)

[wise flame]

2025 gonna be the year of reviving dead people

[shrewd bridge]

Obviously since dark star is reviving someone its gonna me mewthree 03

[hybrid hornet]

oh god yeah those things have the four pointed star face/masks 😭

the Galacta Knight freeze frame is crazy

[hybrid hornet]

and it also has horns...

[sand patrol]

hey just sayin the last time we had choir like vocals for an final boss was elfilis

just sayin

[twin fog]

Is this like
satire

[sand patrol]

just sayin

[wild rune]

The real Final Boss is actually Corrupted Astronomer Waddle Dee

[ocean ingot]

It'd be cool if some sort of space-time shenanigans happened during the final boss fight, and we see the New World in it's prime, or maybe during a prior meteor shower (who knows, maybe the previous ones were actually just Kirby fighting it throughout time)...

and what if... there was a Neichel concert going on and she's part of the bg music (this parts just for fun and Neichel cope)

ala Magolor Epilogue woth the Master Crown and the destruction of Halcandra or whatever the bg is

[vestal isle]

neichel concert recording as a 100% completion bonus

[spiral void]

this is beautiful

[heady ravine]

YES

[ocean ingot]

Neichel joins the Deedly Dees so they can play all the DLC songs........

[hybrid bolt]

why does this have to be late august.

[turbid nexus]

Two weeks left we can do it

[broken void]

they hate students </3

[vagrant hound]

Literally releasing on the week school is starting for many people LOL

Even in Japan, it’s the week school starts

[hybrid bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/fuck-them-ki-fuckthem-fuckthemki-gif-18750304

I'm so glad I'm starting ufo 50 tonight

[twin fog]

https://tenor.com/view/koseki-bijou-hololive-craddle-biboo-bijou-gif-16863911200050621207

Me rolling up to SCW release

[hybrid bolt]

biboo

[twin fog]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1135993105099796560/1390897010789322894/biboo_dropkick.gif

[hybrid bolt]

I was about to say that's probably not very effective but she's probably heavy as a rock

[sterile quartz]

If GK is in SCW then he wouldn’t be the meteor. Rather, the meteor pulls a star dream/parallel nightmare out of desperation/spite and summons him

[olive coral]

where'd you get this??

[olive coral]

i keep listening to this theme.. it's so good...

listening to it so many times has now made me remember oh hey it has the hyness "DINK" notes

SURELY that foreshadows nothing :D

that being said, do you guys think there's gonna be a new last battle mouthful or naw???

I'm 50/50

[sand patrol]

plane mouthful

[sand patrol]

i have a feeling the plane mouthful was originally going to be the one used to ram into elfilis at the end of the game

but they felt maybe it hit a little too close to home

[high widget]

this implies that theres a france

[somber temple]

it's giving me this old artwork vibes lmao

But I'd be surprised if it did make a comeback for the final boss of Star-Crossed World. Not sure how to do it though without repeating Halberd Robobot Mode lol

[somber temple]

also I kind of recognize that??? This looks like a still from the SSGV5 Merry Magoland video

[sand patrol]

Well

Like tge rest if the game

Not on rails but a full 3d flier

[hybrid bolt]

Pew pew

[turbid nexus]

https://fxtwitter.com/genki_jpn/status/1956787959791075829?s=46&t=KjgI8a61BxDiubZJ7PvGsg This tweet

Genki✨ (@Genki_JPN)

Kirby and the Forgotten Land + Star-Crossed World new leaflet in Japan!✨

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[sterile quartz]

All range mode SF64
(Or Ace Combat)

[remote herald]

Ok im back and with a murderboard

It all lines up

[twin fog]

Saying Elfilin is not a star is crazy

[random tendon]

dark star

[remote herald]

Holy shit

[random tendon]

ew kirby fandom wiki spotted

use wikirby

[tacit saffron]

yeah because he's a

[remote herald]

Sorry i just used the first thing i saw. I know wikirby is better

[tacit saffron]

not a 🌠

[random tendon]

https://getindie.wiki/

[remote herald]

Idk thats a very rat shaped object to me

[remote herald]

Ty!

[twin fog]

Me staring at the Gemini Reunion

[toxic delta]

true that's because Chaos Elfilis is a star instead.....
when the Deadly Sun is Grazing

but really Elfilin does literally have moon motif

[toxic delta]

and yeah that too

really it might be harder to find a major character that doesn't have some sort of 星 motif

also funny saying Jamba Heart/Void stuff and Dark Matter stuff don't have star motifs when like
okay latter's barely in the equation anyway (who is even actually directly talking about him lol, not that people have really been talking Elfilin either) but former has so much god damn star-themed stuff, and is otherwise very space and another dimension-tied lol
me when the Star Arises

also their original concept was Darkness Star but separate thing anyway

[high widget]

imagine if they added grazing as a mechanic in a Kirby game

[toxic delta]

that'll be for the Daroach game :)

[twin fog]

Kirby if it were good

[toxic delta]

went to go look at guidebook stuff again to check if there was anything else, man I forgot they straight up said that ID-F86 absorbs organisms and stuff in general lol
yeah no way in hell the dark star isn't another Fecto species member

[wise flame]

Hrm in 2-ish days it will be just 1 week before release

[high widget]

i mean grazing as a mechanic is in FL... only if you dodge

and makes time go slow

[lean grove]

I don't think that counts because you get total invincibility

[toxic delta]

there's also the whole 双星 thing + Antares
god I hope they do more of this kind of shit for SCW stuff

[wise flame]

May have been brought up already, but as release continues to loom over... I must ask again... Which side are you on?

[sand patrol]

im top right

i know how ti filter my internet usage for a couple of days

[toxic delta]

bottom one (I don't have file with upgrades)

[wise flame]

I'm middle down

[sand patrol]

omfg

im stupid

im top left

im not top right

im

[wise flame]

Damn this completely changes the context entirely

[sand patrol]

yea i always planned to do a fresh start

even before it was revealed its not post game

[wise flame]

I do hope SCW actually gives us an undo button

Speaking of upgrades, I should finish grinding on that for File 1

(File 2, with the exception of Crash, is entirely base-level. I'll start from there)

[green crater]

I'll probably be using my original save file that I beat the game with first. (Though I may use the second file which was my wild mode playthrough instead). Either way, though, I have a few well upgraded abilities, but most aren't because grinding isn't fun

[wise flame]

I could use the hammer exploit, or I can continue "optimizing" my hammer runs

I'm close to hitting the coin limit

[random tendon]

I'm curious how the mode is balanced around the evolved abilities

[twin fog]

I assume its just not

They'll just be like
Hard for the world they're associated with

[shut pendant]

i just realized we're very likely getting a wondaria dream parade remix since there's a starry stage based on it

[hybrid bolt]

I'm considering skipping the post game for my replay and head for SCW after

[tribal igloo]

WHEN I CROSS MY STAR WORLDS

[random tendon]

I will just use my 100% file because I dread replaying all of FL again

but I sort of forgot the evolved ability factor, I may just try to use them as I progress

I'm legit curious what the pacing will be like for a brand new save file with star crossed world, and I feel I may eventually do it as well, but I want the new content right away

[tribal igloo]

-# we kirby fans are spoiled as hell lmao

[random tendon]

after starving for 2 years with no news but yeah

[tribal igloo]

air riders

and a dlc

for one of the best games ever

[gleaming stream]

I’m on the secret 4th team

Y’know, the one that doesn’t have a switch 2

[hybrid bolt]

2 years being hungry is nothing

[tribal igloo]

light work

[random tendon]

when did robobot get DLC

[tribal igloo]

PPFFT-

[sudden mirage]

holy shit. I just opened super star ultra and they added a new campaign

[hybrid bolt]

https://tenor.com/view/evil-laugh-gif-14883606492298699285

[random tendon]

PEAK

[hybrid bolt]

robobot port in flames

[tribal igloo]

woag

[toxic delta]

tbf we had adaptations and a little bit of merch at least lol

idk what I'd do without the novels

[hybrid bolt]

resists the urge to compare my situation to kirby fans

[toxic delta]

damn they're finally giving RtDL DX more DLC huh-

[hybrid bolt]

[toxic delta]

(the DLC turns everything into Magolor)

[hybrid bolt]

everyone realizing tdx is just a 7/10 game when they played RTDL DX

[late girder]

Finally. Star Allies Wave 4.

[hybrid bolt]

now we're just being crazy

[toxic delta]

I mean SA is indeed one of the best lol

we even have Daroach

[tepid burrow]

Fair Player here!

[hybrid bolt]

the main campaign being kinda weak just drags it down for me

it's a bit overhated but I wouldn't ever put it top 5 Kirby game for me.

[twin fog]

I would b/c there are only 4 good kirby games

[hybrid bolt]

[toxic delta]

I like it, stages are pretty replayable

[high widget]

what is this

[toxic delta]

definitely above RBP in that regard, above TDX in that regard too though (but more since more abilities and stuff+multiplayer, not even counting stuff like the fundamental thing of system they're on obviously lol)

[high widget]

KSA my beloved

[wise flame]

That's you

Question is, which one?

[twin fog]

Taking the game with the least replayable stages ever and saying they're pretty replayable is crazy

[hybrid bolt]

I just don't care for the large number of abilities because the gameplay feels samey for me without a compelling novel mechanic

[toxic delta]

what lol

[hybrid bolt]

but it did feel like a game that was very much made with multiplayer in mind

so it didn't do much for me.

also, 30fps is just a big no for me.

[wise flame]

Star Allies is very much like...

[toxic delta]

I played and got more out of Story Mode than I ever did of TDX's and especially RBP's
the only stages I'd say aren't replayable much in there are the majorly Friend Star stages and that one Friend Train stage

[wise flame]

...It's so damned niche

[toxic delta]

tbh I barely notice it unless I play Fighters 2 or RtDL DX right before

do hope they do Switch 2 update for it though

is one of the games that could use it

[high widget]

30fps is fine

[hybrid bolt]

I didn't mind it with forgo land

[wise flame]

But the game does let itself chug with the very own mechanics it's working with...

[hybrid bolt]

it's not unplayable or anything with star allies but just disappointing after playing 60 fps Kirby for so long

it gets pretty jarring

[wise flame]

And for being the only updateable game, you'd think they would sneak in a 60fps update or something

[toxic delta]

eh, I played RtDL, Dream Collection, TDX, RBP beforehand and I didn't notice it unless people pointed it out

[twin fog]

30fps is not the worst thing in the world, but SA's framerate not being stable is what makes it so gross

[wise flame]

Castle Dedede