Star-Crossed World (and Forgotten Land Switch 2 Edition)

[fringe silo]

the weird heart thingy looks like closed wings somewhat

[vagrant hound]

It’s gonna be dangerous dinner!! Haldera volcano’s long lost cousin!

[grave fractal]

The funny

[brittle hamlet]

the dark heart also looks like it has Forgo inside so

idk

[violet gorge]

Fecto forgo is inside

However it does kinda look like closed wings

[vagrant hound]

So what’s you’re telling me is we get to sacrifice the Starries, got it

[nocturne pebble]

Dangerous diner where the food is poisonous (kirby's doomsday)

[sudden oracle]

|| The Revenge of Dark Nebula, Shadowy Star ||

[nocturne pebble]

Because like what even is that in the 3rd image 😭

[twin fog]

Here's the thing, we know

• SCW literally unlocks after world 1 so its earlier-game than Forgo Dreams content
• Phantom Gorimondo is in ZEX
• Crystalized mid-bosses are in ZEX
• True Arena in SSU featured all the new bosses and simply did not have the bosses that didn't get new variants in Ultra
• SMEX in SA featured every boss in the game, even Goldon/Silvox who didn't get a harder variation in 4.0.0 reappeared with more health
• True Arena in RtDL DX just added every boss in ME (6 extra rounds) on top of everything that was originally in True Arena, except replacing Magolor Soul with a new harder variant
• There are 10-19 rounds in ZEX

So our options are:

1. ZEX features crystallized versions of existing FL bosses and ZEX will have all 10 UCZ bosses but replace the two mid-boss rounds with crystalized variants, and new SCW variants of bosses are fought alongside the old variants like in RtDL DX, but for some reason they have not shown us new variants of old bosses like they did with RtDL DX. This also means that there are at most 7 bosses in SCW, whether completely original or new variants. The Crystalized variants will also be easier than Phantom bosses like with ME bosses vs EX bosses, which is why they'd want both in the new cup instead of replacing hard bosses with easier variants (Most likely imo)
2. ZEX features completely original bosses only and they don't want to spoil any
3. ZEX will not feature any new bosses outside of its finale (Absolute nonsense)

[nocturne pebble]

We're just crysrallizing everything

[grave fractal]

It wouldn't surprise me if the final level's gonna be in the clouds / space considering, well

starry path

lmao

[toxic delta]

clearly it's the Darkness Star from early SA stuff

[brittle hamlet]

Cant believe people havent seen this

[nocturne pebble]

You know what yeah I'm more convinced of that now lol

[vagrant hound]

Where’s Goku

[sudden oracle]

HAL: “How can we confuse the Kirby fans as much as possible? “

“AHA! Multiple meanings for the final boss and lore! That’s it!”

[violet gorge]

Wheres goku?

[grave fractal]

TRUE

[vagrant hound]

😭 😭 😭 😭 😭

[violet gorge]

[grave fractal]

Bro the devilish Fecto design will be so cool

I'm excited

[sudden oracle]

It rly does feel like this tho lol

[brittle hamlet]

Doom Elfilis

[nocturne pebble]

At first I was a little disappointed that the big reveal might no be something new but tbh exploring more about Forgo would be so cool...

[violet gorge]

If we do get a new elfilis I hope it’s actually a new design and not just a recolor

I was kinda disappointed by chaos elfilis

[green crater]

Give us something even harder to draw

[violet gorge]

[nocturne pebble]

Thing is, I dunno why they are wording it still like the meteor itself is the danger when there is something inside it

[heady ravine]

Was there a news drop?

[violet gorge]

New trailer

[green crater]

Trailer posted in Kirby News, also some Twitter posts

[nocturne pebble]

We want Queen sectonia levels of little details here

[brittle hamlet]

overview trailer released

[grave fractal]

a friend inside...

https://tenor.com/view/you-have-alerted-the-friend-friend-inside-me-toy-story-woody-toby-fox-gif-1162874799341684255

[vagrant hound]

Check #kirby-news

[twin fog]

Elfilis wasn't just a recolor though
Elfilis got a recolor in addition to a completely new form like Sectonia and Star Dream did
It's Magolor Soul and Void that are just recolors
Though at least Magolor Soul has a lot of bells and whistles added onto his model
And meanwhile Sectonia's new form is just
The recolor's head ripped off

[nocturne pebble]

Elfilin is quivering

[brittle hamlet]

Magolor Soul isnt really a recolor

kinda

his design differs slightly

[grave fractal]

Yeah but he doesnt have a new form is the point

its just a reskin of his old one (obv its not literalyl jsut a reskin)

but it's not the same as how Drawcia, Star Dream and Elfilis get a whole ahh new form

[brittle hamlet]

ah i see

A new form would be nice but I dunno

[nocturne pebble]

I don't think it's going to be a new elfilis, might be a specifically Forgo thing, or might be something else entirely

[twin fog]

I've mentioned this before but it's funny how RtDL gave Fatty Puffer and Dooter model differences and then gave up for the rest until Magolor Soul

[arctic gale]

Shucks

[nocturne pebble]

cuz based on the structure I assume you have to beat base Elfilis in order to unlock the final stages, so an Elfilis fight doesn't really work narratively

[violet gorge]

yea I guess the soul ball thing is a new form but still I just was hoping a bit more from elfilis itself after absorbing morpho’s power when I first played

[arctic gale]

Oops was scrolled far up without my knowledge so my message is ultra irrelevant

[grave fractal]

Could be one that visually looks like Forgo, yeah, would be some fanservice as we never fight larval Forgo when it's alive or a soul

[heady ravine]

Yoooo Gear Mouth was one of my Mouthful challenge ideas!

[nocturne pebble]

They made my grand doomer into a lava ball I won't forgive this

[heady ravine]

Not the wallrunning part, but still.

[toxic delta]

who says there is/that that's not considered the meteor?

[turbid nexus]

There’s a HAL spy among us

[heady ravine]

I didn't even submit the idea though

[lucid minnow]

Ain’t no way

You predicted it

[nocturne pebble]

Yeah that's what I mean, my wording wasn't clear there, would be super fun to fight some form of them head on!

[heady ravine]

They must be really crafty

[green crater]

Elfilis's parent, twice as big and ten times as mean /silly

[vagrant hound]

Elfilis’s long lost brother

[nocturne pebble]

Ah well admittedly it just looks like something is in there (I swear there's a shot that looks like you can see the eyes), but I guess you could consider any large high velocity object entering the atmosphere a meteor

Still kind of weird though?

I can see them doing it for narrative reasons, where the characters don't really know

[twin fog]

Elfilis's mirror world counterpart that was created when Forgo pulled in the Dimension Mirror through a mysterious vortex and looked at it

[vagrant hound]

Kuma loves mirror and egg

[wise flame]

From RTDL all the way to Star Allies, there was this pattern of the penultimate world(s)/levels having most if not all their enemies be replaced with variants that heavily associate with the final boss in a way

FL, all the way to the end of the main story... doesn't do that

[twin fog]

Where did PR and SA do this

[wise flame]

Access Arc

...Fuck nevermind I had to think for a good while on this... RTDL and TDX were the only games to do this

[twin fog]

they gave up

[ocean ingot]

Teasing the Neichel final boss.........

[green crater]

It's a cool thing when they do it fr though

[wise flame]

I think access arc only introduces a new waddle dee variant

[toxic delta]

Haltworker is seperate

[twin fog]

I will now make a video essay on how Revenge of the Enemy is 3DX's version of Guardian Angel: Landia and how this is also a trope RtDL and 3DX shared that got abandoned

[toxic delta]

not really considered a variant and Waddle Dees still appear there

[wise flame]

and "Chapter 3" of star allies already established another waddle dee-like via the jambelievers

[ocean ingot]

too late :D

[toxic delta]

either way FL has Primal Awoofies which are way more direct so

[wise flame]

I'd like to use a whole OTHER game as reference but that goes into spoilers-

[nocturne pebble]

Can't see the eye but yeah, the figure of the creature is pretty visible imo

[vagrant hound]

That’s Magolor

[grave fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-fecto-forgo-kirby-katfl-gif-25243266

[twin fog]

Boss theme for the first boss in the finale that gets reused for the first phase of the extra mode's secret boss
And then PR just had Inner Struggle for MK+ without also having a Revenge of the Enemy and GK just used Grand Doomer out of nowhere and the trope ended

[wise flame]

Basically I think SCW's potential new world(s) is going to be populated with "new" enemies only found in this area... but most of them will fulfill a niche already found in the Forgotten Lands

[sudden oracle]

||this game will have a double fakeout, first one being Galacta to Dark Nebula then to Neichel||

[nocturne pebble]

or Magolor's evil brother badolor

[grave fractal]

CORE Undertale

[vagrant hound]

Let me actually fight Dark Nebula again </3

[grave fractal]

give that damn dark star some aura

[brittle hamlet]

I need an explanation as to how Galacta now suddenly has the ability to create the very thing he was trapped in for a milennia

[wise flame]

Final worlds that majorly reskin enemies are cool AF very dissapointed Kirby stopped doing that

[grave fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/dark-nebula-kirby-kirby-squeak-squad-gif-15451553476517899316

[sudden oracle]

Peak

[twin fog]

Explanation: He's not in the game or he'll show up as Random Fucking Guy that Crashed His Car in The New World and Now Punches You In The Face

[brittle hamlet]

What if they were like
Original
and they walked

[wise flame]

You see, Galacta Knight realized he could escape very easy

However, one good whiff of the outside world convinced him that it's best he stays inside

[grave fractal]

https://gif.fxtwitter.com/tweet_video/GxiGh9DbYAALp2x.gif

[lean grove]

so I guess since they're not revealing any new abilities there aren't any

[twin fog]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1393268009216507914/1394140012236243136/vopddvyo1ncf1.gif

[wise flame]

Nobody sealed Galacta Knight... he sealed himself

[grave fractal]

This theory is pissing me off

[sudden oracle]

Oooh imagine if ||Dark Nebula turned the Starries into Nebula versions of themselves which are evil||

[lean grove]

either that or the new ability evolution is again after the final boss and indeed a spoiler

[twin fog]

I am fully convinced that the only reason the Jamba Heart is a crystal in SA is b/c there's remnants of starry power in it though

[shrewd oracle]

give us a 5th sword

do it

[green crater]

If they don't, it's because they are cowards

[grave fractal]

It'd feel weird if there's no connection at all, considering both have a tie to sealing evil lol

[twin fog]

Galacta Knight Sword that instantly kills every boss if the first attack you land is a charge attack

[grave fractal]

Well Jamba Heart is a vessel but yea

[brittle hamlet]

Morpho Sword EX trust

[wise flame]

Man you guys call it a sword but it's a lance

[toxic delta]

they should make them be completely seperate. it'd be funny

[toxic delta]

filenames have called it one too tbf

[wise flame]

Doesn't matter anyways because he uses the pokey cone like a normal sword regardless

[nocturne pebble]

Wouldn't be the first time we have two similar yet completely unrelated things in the series

[grave fractal]

this feels likely

[toxic delta]

one million more heart motif final bosses please

[wise flame]

Even though the whole thing felt like it was designed specifically for Super Star's cool AF take on the multi-hit attack

[nocturne pebble]

The Starries are so baby though it'd be funny if there was a Mama or Papa Starry

[lean grove]

also tbf it never actually uses it like a lance

[grave fractal]

LUBBA

https://tenor.com/view/lubba-mario-galaxy2-luma-rosalina-mario-gif-21542995

[heady ravine]

why does astro dee have a tissue box full of figurines?

[wise flame]

yeah as I said, didn't matter anyways

[twin fog]

I want to light this mf on fire

[thorny fulcrum]

I am on the path to become the number one astronomer dee deefender

[grave fractal]

Rosalina will show up at the end of Star Crossed World 🗣️

[nocturne pebble]

YES

[grave fractal]

same

[wise flame]

What if you wanted to fight Elfilis 2

[twin fog]

Its a raffle box

[grave fractal]

wait

[wise flame]

But then

woman

[grave fractal]

NEICHEL IS GONNA BE KIRBY ROSALINA

TRUST

🙏

https://tenor.com/view/bro-just-typing-shit-atm-man-funny-tiktok-gif-6754206601808444804

[green crater]

The box is so funny lol

[toxic delta]

oh right his actual movenames too

me when Glide Sword

[heady ravine]

dude has like at least 30 thirty figures in that box

[obtuse berry]

Mystery box where there's a 5% of pulling out needles

[nocturne pebble]

COOK COOK

Crack theory of neichel secret boss

[tepid burrow]

I hope so

I want to actually see Neichel

[grave fractal]

freedom motif will be there

[lean grove]

I will say it's crazy how they confirmed new arena before confirming any new bosses
... though the fact phantom gorrimondo is there implies there is no new replacement for him at minimum

[violet gorge]

They likely just don’t want to spoil them since the new bosses are probably late into the dlc

[tepid burrow]

I became a Neichel Fan Now, Help me

[lean grove]

I'm still betting there's a new world added in the DLC but man

[violet gorge]

That being said no new copy abilities being shown off is even more surprising since I’m pretty sure the old Nintendo treehouse description said there was gonna be a new ability

[wise flame]

The boss pacing is gonna worry me

[sudden oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/me-atrapaste-es-cine-its-cinema-cinema-esto-es-cine-gif-17729711691959966457

[vagrant hound]

Neichel went to space to become mama Starry

[wise flame]

So like for "half" of SCW's playtime, you'll be going through levels

[grave fractal]

screaming ape final boss theory

[lean grove]

I really would have bet on that new midboss giving an ability but it really just gives starry coins huh

[tepid burrow]

I want to marry Neichel

[nocturne pebble]

I am too, that shot of Kirby and Elflilin ascending on the world map appears to have this crystal cloud thing above it, which would be perfect for flooring for a new world's levels

[toxic delta]

it said they showed a new one (which they didn't)
could easily just be an error either way

[wise flame]

And then there'll just be a part where suddenly there's bosses

[violet gorge]

You’re probably right

I mean if there is a new ability usually they’re shown immediately

[toxic delta]

I still bet there will be new evolution though

[wise flame]

So yeah no it looks like the Volcano won't be a secondary HUB world as I thought

[toxic delta]

even if just one

[green crater]

Starry something

[wise flame]

I was hoping for some sorta Starry civilization or something, but I guess these things are deadset on THE MISSION

[toxic delta]

Starry Crystal Needle?

[twin fog]

That or that both the new variants and the originals will be in the arena at the same time like with ME in RtDL DX TA

[wise flame]

Eh would you really want to build a settlement right beside the evil fucking heart of doom?

[grave fractal]

yes.

[wise flame]

There's gotta be more to do with that island...

[sudden oracle]

||100% completion for Star-Crossed World will feature an image of Kirby, Bandee, Elfilin, and the Starries all singing together with Neichel in the stars above||

[nocturne pebble]

Starrys do turn themselves into a super seal, maybe they don't have time to relax together

Poor babies...

[wise flame]

...Than just checking progress and potentially accessing another plane of existence

[toxic delta]

what if I worship the heart of doom instead. what then
-Hyness, probably

[wise flame]

Also, Astronomer dee concerns me

Surely there'll be dedicated gacha machines

[toxic delta]

wonder how second set will be handled

[vagrant hound]

Kirby sings with Neichel, except everyone dies on spot

[languid cobalt]

Im 100% sure krackos in this game

[toxic delta]

Astronomer Waddle Dee 2 when

[wise flame]

I do not want to scroll through a lot of dialogue just to get a duplicate figure

[vagrant hound]

Where’s Dedede… I need Dedede…

[languid cobalt]

Wait whos neichel?

[vagrant hound]

If Magolor isn’t in the game, we need Dedede in the game

[vagrant hound]

The singer

[tepid burrow]

Neichel is death herself

[vagrant hound]

Welcome to the new world and stuff

[languid cobalt]

If we have boss redesigns, that means 1 more dedede for this game

[green crater]

Neichel is the singer of the vocal song in the intro

[languid cobalt]

Fun

[wise flame]

Hey wait a second-

[vagrant hound]

Megaphone Mouthful mode

[wise flame]

The colors, the eyes... it reminds me...

[violet gorge]

That being said maybe its on the back of the download card that got leaked. I haven’t seen it myself but Im not sure if we’ve seen everything that was on the back of it in the new trailer (maybe someone can just tell me if we have. Don’t have to outright say what it is but just if theres stuff on it that hasn’t been shown even now)

[vestal isle]

insert ranting chuck mcgill gif here

yuppers... im all in

[green crater]

That first one is such a cool shot

[grave fractal]

I just know that area will be pretty as hell

[toxic delta]

its not, everything on there has been shown now

[green crater]

The kind of shot that makes me kick my feet in delight

[grave fractal]

It has to be a new level bro

it'd be so peak

(it's probably just the final boss battlefield )

[violet gorge]

Ah ok thanks
Yea alright there probably isn’t a new copy ability then

[toxic delta]

it was literally just the two new mouthfuls lmao

[wise flame]

No way it's fucking-

(source linked below)
https://youtu.be/kxdUhduD3Og?feature=shared

[vagrant hound]

Four heroes of yore

[acoustic sage]

https://tenor.com/view/donkey-kong-country-king-k-rool-dkc-tv-series-cartoon-gif-17334788577718321737

[violet gorge]

Lol ok thanks

[sudden oracle]

||Red + black colors = Dark Nebula

Dark Nebula confirmed.||

[wise flame]

You know, there's gonna be 4 arenas now

Ok what if we made a 5th?

No the 5th cup is a boring one

[nocturne pebble]

Shots like these remind me how freaking insanely beautiful this game is looking. Like the cutscenes especially radiate a cinematic energy that feels very...I dunno lol

[wise flame]

There's gotta be a cup specifically for SCW stuff only...

[nocturne pebble]

Reminds me of a certain animation studio but I can't seem to put my finger on it

[grave fractal]

this WILL happen 🙏

[sand patrol]

so about the discrepancy in the jpn and na trailer where they say you need to beat natural plains to start SCW I think its actually tied to waddle dee unlock number

not world completion

which is why you CAN get it before beating natural plains

[wise flame]

Extra Stages return

These are literally extra stages

But now tied to a whole different story entirely

[toxic delta]

pretty sure it's just dev file error

they do say the same thing in JP trailer

and there are other discrepancies across trailer variants too

[twin fog]

Trailer makers pulling out their 100% legit dev files:

[toxic delta]

#1357065850951041247 message me when

[tulip coral]

ultrby7457#0 - #Star-Crossed World (and Forgotten Land Switch 2 Edition)

finding more inconsistencies with trailers lmao
(Italian and JP at least vs English and Korean; no Starry Coins vs Starry Coins)
doesn't mean much but funny

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Quoted by ultrby7457#0 • [183218676760182785] · Aug 5, 2025, 4:00 PM

[green crater]

Really, the main thing is the confirmation that the new stages unlock as you go through the game. The exact details aren't as important imo

[toxic delta]

yeah

[sand patrol]

I think i can confirm with these two screenshots they def upped the texue resolution

[gleaming stream]

Yummy gravel

[vagrant hound]

Squished Elfilin

[gleaming stream]

I didn’t even notice that

[violet gorge]

Actually I do wonder if you’d have to beat the main game before you can do the final encounters of star crossed world. Since it having an EX arena implies most of the stuff there (at least in the endgame) will likely be around the same time or after forgo dreams
That or maybe something flew over my head. A lot of things tend to…

[toxic delta]

also checked UK one and they have actually sort of normal amount here lmao
only person to actually play through the game

[toxic delta]

probably but moreso it has to at least be after Redgar Stage 4 at minimum

[sand patrol]

i think thats what they mean

you have to rescue elfilin

[tepid burrow]

Question, will the data from the Switch 1 Edition carry over to the Switch 2 Edition?

[toxic delta]

I mean if you can do it before it would be in a very short window

[sand patrol]

yes

[toxic delta]

no reason why it wouldn't

[tepid burrow]

Thank goodness

[sand patrol]

the upgrade pack is just a DLC basically

[tepid burrow]

I don’t want to do the whole game all over again

[nocturne pebble]

Is there an opportunity after beating Leongar to leave the level?

[toxic delta]

yes but like
Stage 4 is not the final boss lmao

Stage 4 is Gathering of the Beast Council

basically it depends on if there's stuff after (which they haven't shown yet)

[languid cobalt]

Im curious

Did we get any news on the bosses in star crossed world?

[toxic delta]

like I could see Discovera stage still

[nocturne pebble]

Yeah that makes sense

[languid cobalt]

Yeah a full lab discovera stage would be amazing

[violet gorge]

That alongside the fact it seems like fecto forgo is inside the cocoon meteor thing. (Assuming this is in fact fecto forgo and not like another of the same species or like a weird astral projection)
Then like how would they even get here if you they’re supposably stuck in lab discovera by the time you get here? Like would you just be locked out of star crossed end game until you go back and defeat fecto? Or like is there some time shenanigans going on here? (Again assuming this is fecto and not another fecto)

[vagrant hound]

They’re Forgo Fecto

The evil brother

[sand patrol]

why are we assuming that fecto forgo is the only one of its species

I should say why are we NOT

[forest shell]

guys its possessed glacta knight

[violet kiln]

i was gonna say i think it'd have to be a different member of its species

[toxic delta]

could be another of its species, or space-time shenanigans (possibly from parallel world)

[twin fog]

i want to eat it

[forest shell]

considering the fact that this is a kirby game, the possibility of space time shenanigans being at play would not surprise me

[violet kiln]

nothing particularly positive. they did not market any new bosses and in fact showed phantom bosses (including sillydillo and gorimondo) in the new arena

[nocturne pebble]

Even if it is another species, the fact of it being another species has zero impact if you haven't seen fecto forgo yet

[toxic delta]

yeah definitely isn't when they like, point out its life cycle and all

[nocturne pebble]

(for a new player)

[acoustic sage]

Yeah maybe Forgo's portal ended up either sucking the meteor in or attracted it towards to New World

[violet gorge]

Because as far as we know fecto is the result of the split of elfilis and elfinin. So like wouldn’t that imply fecto doesn’t exist naturally? That or unless you are of the headcanon that fecto and elfilin are moreso just biologically the same species but in different stages of life because of the split rather than being two offshoot subspecies that only exist because of it

[wise flame]

SCW really do be the the first:

• Kirby Paid DLC
• Switch 2 Edition Entry
• Secondary Story Mode that can be played without having to beat Story Mode
• Secondary Story Mode that co-exists inside story mode
• Secondary Story Mode that may have content only accessed after beating Story Mode's final boss

[toxic delta]

Forgo is just the larva, the state before 'growing wings' (becoming an adult)

[nocturne pebble]

Yeah there's also this

[twin fog]

Meteor retconned into FL's story:
Fecto Forgo: 🙈

[sand patrol]

well i possed maybe when its in the meteor it also reverts to this larval form

so thats what you are seeing

[twin fog]

We're told Forgo is Elfilis reverting into the form from before it gained wings

[charred fiber]

"I'm not Forgo, I'm it's twin brother Borgo"

[sand patrol]

then it will get an elfilis like transformation once freed

[wise flame]

Fecto Elfilis already had their whole arc completed

[green crater]

Or maybe this is literally just a baby

[wise flame]

It's gotta be another

[toxic delta]

(also keep in mind Elfilin is considered a 'child', which probably ties into that too)

[sand patrol]

clearly when they are compromised they revert to this form in someway

[vagrant hound]

Elfilis’s baby

[sand patrol]

could be a baby too

[wise flame]

Tardigrate ass curling behavior

[twin fog]

Funny guidebook lore

[green crater]

Me when I'm stressed out and find myself in the fetal position

[vagrant hound]

Invasive species at finest (Elfilin is going to be shield)

*sealed

Bye bye Elfilin… forever…

[acoustic sage]

Ursula's crazy sister

[wise flame]

Another Dimension is basically a dumping ground of things, right?

[violet gorge]

So like if fecto was never reunited with elfilin would they eventually become elfilin anyway? Is that the implication? So like is it truly more so like the age/ stage of life thing I mentioned? Or am I reading this all wrong?

[wise flame]

I wonder if the doomers will be connected somehow

[acoustic sage]

What if Elfilin ends up absorbing this one's essence as well and turns into SUPER Elfilinlis

[twin fog]

I think it would've forever remained incomplete, its just that coincidentally for some reason splitting apart causes it to revert to what it'd look like when it was young

[nocturne pebble]

Well it needed elfilin to return its mental and physical faculties it seems like

[wise flame]

What does the raw, singular unit of an Elfilis look like?

If you break them apart enough... that is?

[toxic delta]

you mean Elfilis? considering Chaos Elfilis they probably would've been able to, just not as they 'normally' would've been since it seems unstable

[sudden oracle]

Whatever this endgame is gonna be like, it’s gonna be WILD (pun intended)

[wise flame]

3rd difficulty option when?

[acoustic sage]

The sludge

[sand patrol]

if this were to be a new fecto i imagine its name will be "Fecto ------"

not elfilin ex or something

[violet gorge]

This logic makes sense

[vagrant hound]

Dark nebula possesses the forgo

[toxic delta]

hard to really tell though when there's no other one of their species to compare

[tepid burrow]

I can talk about Neichel all day because of Today

[wise flame]

Fecto Crystallis

[charred fiber]

Always bet on Dark Nebula

[vagrant hound]

I need em back

[wise flame]

Anyways so like do you think she'll actually show up?

[green crater]

We need more Dark Nebula

[tepid burrow]

Always bet on Neichel

[sand patrol]

no

[nocturne pebble]

The evil meteor was actually dark nebula after being banished to the shadow realm

[sand patrol]

she will likely just remain a visual reference

[acoustic sage]

Fecto Stellaris

[sand patrol]

and the reason these lyrical songs exists

[twin fog]

Actually what if the lore of SCW will be that Elfilis actually split up into three
The scientists just didn't know b/c the third piece was split off into another dimension and they never saw it

[acoustic sage]

And their good counterpart, Stellarin

[nocturne pebble]

Actually I think they might give her a figure (in the form of like a poster)

[sand patrol]

yea thats possible

[tepid burrow]

[nocturne pebble]

Yeah seems upon the same level like the lightworks company and other visual references in the main game

[violet gorge]

Nah she’s gonna be alive and become one of the oldest characters in canon along side her elfilin and fecto forgo buddies

[wise flame]

If Neichel is human-like... and if she bothers showing at all... it would be the first time since 2000 that a Human character of any sort has appeared in the games with a prominent role

[nocturne pebble]

Not particularly plot relevant but big enough for worldbuilding

[twin fog]

Our faces when there's just a screenshot of the Music Fest as a poster in SCW

[green crater]

That would be epic

[wise flame]

Neichel will look like Adeleine somehow

They do not elaborate on this

[toxic delta]

I hope we get more actual lyrical songs at least
make Alivel remix have the lyrics

[tepid burrow]

Neichel is Adeleines Mother

[wise flame]

When asked, HAL goes 🤷‍♂️

and then they confirm that Magolor did something lore-breaking

or whatever

[nocturne pebble]

Me too, I hope SCW has an equivalent "welcome to the new world" type of song

[ocean ingot]

They do that with ever language, except one has a sliver of a 1 that can be seen on the Kirby side, so we know there's between 10 and 19 bosses

[nocturne pebble]

Soooo maybe Twinkling Star Showers perhaps 👀

[acoustic sage]

You don't need to tag it

[violet gorge]

Did anyone translate what the sign says yet?

[tepid burrow]

Testing

WHAT

WHY IS IT TAGGED

[sudden oracle]

That dark cloud thing… it looks an awful lot like Galacta Knight

[violet gorge]

Because she’s too powerful

[turbid nexus]

You’re it

[ocean ingot]

I literally have a drawing or photoshop somwhere of the wings unfurled... lemme find it

[nocturne pebble]

Neichel Twinkling Star Showers

There's bottom text too but I can't read it very well

[ocean ingot]

Also the Car Mouth Cakes have crystals on them

[tepid burrow]

For some reason, i keep on thinking, the people who live in the forgotten land are animals

[sudden oracle]

||Round and has wings, guys, I think we’re getting Galacta Knight||

||You can kind of see a mask too||

[acoustic sage]

Oh wait it's because it has SPOILER in the file name

[twin fog]

Look at my totally real gijinka of the SCW final boss ! ! ! ! ! ! !

[vagrant hound]

https://tenor.com/view/touhou-ufo-whatever-go-whatever-go-my-ufo-nue-houjuu-gif-12543684101186196555

[tepid burrow]

Wowzers!!!

[sudden oracle]

Guys you can see it too right

[ocean ingot]

[vagrant hound]

Shutterstock jumpscare

[sudden oracle]

Tell me that doesn’t look like a Knight

[acoustic sage]

But still it seems really weird for them to censor her like this given we've already seen what she looks like

[tepid burrow]

Please, i want Neichel to be in the game other than the billboard reference

[acoustic sage]

(Technically)

[forest shell]

im probably just gonna play scw for the first time on my non 100% save file and then wait for the wikirby stuff to cover the new challenges

i dont have the time to look on my own

[sudden oracle]

||NEICHEL IS GONNA BE THE ONE WHO DEFEATS GALACTA KNIGHT 🗣️🗣️🗣️||

[rustic crow]

||Will the finale to SCW involve another Mouthful Mode finisher like the main game did with car/Bigrig Mouth? Or do you think it'll be something else?||

[nocturne pebble]

We don't know what the inhabitants of the New World looked like, using a human for Neichel at the music fest was done because we only have humans to work with

[tepid burrow]

Maybe shes hiding a dark secret in her eyes.

[acoustic sage]

I feel like this might mean they're foreshadowing her making an in-game appearance somehow, and so they wanna hide what she looks like in-universe

[nocturne pebble]

so it's not like they're really censoring anything imo

Ohhh that's what you mean

[acoustic sage]

I mean I feel like it's fairly safe to assume the original inhabitants of the New World were humans

[tepid burrow]

What about Shiver Star

[green crater]

I do think that it's entirely reasonable to just leave her off screen if they want to. Like, just keep her to the music and stuff like that billboard

[late girder]

ermm.... there are no red pandas in the new world tho....

[acoustic sage]

All the levels are designed like typical human structures and settlements, unlike the fairly whimsical look of basically every other Kirby level ever

[tepid burrow]

Wait… i Just though of something!!! Let me cook everyone!

[nocturne pebble]

Given all the fantastical stuff we've seen in Kirby not even made by humans, I think the new world inhabitants being human is just one of many possibilities

[green crater]

I mean, why can't there have been humans/human-like creatures in multiple places? But also yeah there's no guarantee they were, in either place

[sudden oracle]

||Close-up of the Neichel poster||

[acoustic sage]

Not to mention the Beast Pack (who were left behind while the other inhabitants went to Dream Land or whatever) are comprised entirely of Earth animals (not counting new recruits)

[tepid burrow]

What if the people of Shiver Star moved to the Forgotten Land before their Planet got frozen?

[acoustic sage]

Typical posthuman Earth trope of having the animals evolve to take their place

[green crater]

I've gone from thinking "humans other than Adeleine in Kirby is dumb" to "eh whatever, sure, maybe there's lots of humans, doesn't have to mean anything special"

[tepid burrow]

They used Dimension Portals to get to the Forgotten Land

Think about it

[nocturne pebble]

Yeah basically my thoughts on it too

[toxic delta]

New World people only discovered space-time travel after Elfilis showed up. so no

[violet gorge]

Actually what are the chances of leongar or clawroline are actually getting a variant in this dlc?
Because though at this point Im less sure I still feel like the egg dog getting crystal claws could potentially be foreshadowing of some kind

[acoustic sage]

Wouldn't it be the other way around?

[tepid burrow]

Sure Adeleine went to Dreamland but everyone else went to the Forgotten Land

[tepid burrow]

I guess so

[toxic delta]

yeah, though either way it wouldn't just be one place anyhow

New World language also has connections with Jambastion language, +Halcandra

[nocturne pebble]

They went all over the universe yeah

[shut pendant]

every single mainline kirby antagonist fighting over who gets to be in star-crossed world

[toxic delta]

still betting on Star-Crossed Carol

[violet gorge]

Its gonna be necrodeus

[acoustic sage]

Donkey Kong Bananza lighting

[nocturne pebble]

which reminds me, I wonder if they are ever going to elaborate on those blueprints about Popstar and Kirby you can see in the background of the Copy Ability workshop

Probably not but it'd be kind of funny

[languid cobalt]

This reminds me alot of the king k rool bananza speculation

[tepid burrow]

Neichel has glasses

[ocean ingot]

Maybe those were just made by Armor Dee

[toxic delta]

might mention it in the new figures since that's covering old stuff

[tepid burrow]

Maybe she’s wearing those to hide her eyes

[tepid burrow]

And a hat too

[toxic delta]

this implies he made and scattered the blueprints. so no

[acoustic sage]

I do have a theory that the "spacefolk" like the Haltmanns and Mage Sisters are a descendant/subspecies of humans

[green crater]

Yeah, if nothing else, if you're leaving your planet because of over population, why would you send everyone to the same place? You'd just have the same problem on another planet. I'm sure they spread out.

[toxic delta]

yeah

[acoustic sage]

After they went to Dream Land, the inherent magic of the place caused them to diverge into different body-types/species

[violet gorge]

I don’t think you’re actually supposed to speculate on the origin of the ability scrolls or stuff like that I doubt they had any thought of canonicity behind them. Though it is fun to speculate about them

[sand patrol]

Wouldn't tgink too hard about ability blueprints

[acoustic sage]

Maybe the blueprints found in levels aren't specifically blueprints for ability hats

[toxic delta]

I mean they could have just left them blank

(they didn't)

is worth noting novels decided to use it as point too but hard to tell if games will go in same direction with it

[green crater]

Also, "being fun to speculate" is absolutely why people speculate

[sand patrol]

Would have been neat if they were more thematically tied to the world though like you get the clutter needle in a art store or sonething

[acoustic sage]

Weapons Dee just analyses them and tries to turn them into upgrades for abilities

Maybe then the boss ones are like reports on the bosses, with Weapons Dee using them to replicate said bosses' abilities

[toxic delta]

King Dedede is sure known for his Homing Bombs

Clawroline is known for....Pencils?

[violet gorge]

I mean they could’ve yea but they probably didn’t because they wanted to give them a neat design. Again they are fun to speculate on however, I just don’t think hal intended for us to give them deep thought. That being said it is fun to think of the blueprints, alongside ability scrolls, and temples being made for copy abilities specifically in a sense of like maybe a civilization besides kirby himself getting use out of copy abilities. Always found that interesting though admittedly its all very gameplay first, story second.

[toxic delta]

tbf you can say that for everything in the series

people said similar for Magolor in Clash

[violet gorge]

True

[vagrant hound]

MAGOLOR

[toxic delta]

(even with the interview lmao)

[vagrant hound]

Trust me, Magolor WILL appear

[tepid burrow]

Gear Mouth

[nocturne pebble]

After Master Crown Tree though I don't think any crazy shit HAL pulls will surprise me again (in that way I mean)

[acoustic sage]

Kirby becomes a sphere doomer

[nocturne pebble]

like they can put together the most unrelated two things and I'll nod my head yes this makes sense

[toxic delta]

also abilities were never just Kirby to begin with
me when Gooey, Droppy, possibly Animal Friends, possibly TAC, Miracle Matter, etc.
and Magolor having them in his ship for some reason (nerd)

[brittle hamlet]

Gem Apples are made of crystals just putting it out there

[violet gorge]

Honestly thinking about what Im actually saying makes me feel contradictory lmao
“You’re not supposed to speculate on them. So here’s how I like to speculate about them”
If anything I guess I feel like these details specifically aren’t gonna be given the same attention as like magolor or the ancients or etc. etc.

[vagrant hound]

Recolor Starries into red and it’s gem apple

Starry apple

[sudden oracle]

||if this doesn’t scream Galacta Knight then I don’t know what does||

[tepid burrow]

That actually sounds yummy ngl

[grave fractal]

imma be honest, I always thought this was overcomplicating it even for Kirby standards lol

[toxic delta]

nothing about it is GK?

[vagrant hound]

It’s a

Circle

Probably planet shape

[violet gorge]

They’re joking

[sudden oracle]

The shape and the wings

[toxic delta]

it's just Neichel poster with some covered spots (including some covered four-pointed stars)

[vagrant hound]

Kihon Wa Maru

[grave fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[sudden oracle]

It has feet too

[grave fractal]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-kirbys-adventure-how-to-draw-kirbo-kirb-gif-23048773

[sonic quail]

My dad works at hal and he told me we're getting galacta knight sword‼️(the only new copy ability)

[tepid burrow]

Crystal Needle

[vagrant hound]

Stop with sword upgrade!!!!!!

Can we get crash upgrade

[void jay]

Honestly i think galacta or nebula are the only ones who have a chance. And id also bet a lot for original enemy or something related to forgo

[violet gorge]

What about a needle upgrade since that actually has crystals

[toxic delta]

GK only really has a chance for ZEX

[tepid burrow]

No, we will get a Sleep upgrade

[violet gorge]

You say that like a joke but Id love that 100%

[sudden oracle]

Dark Nebula is still an option tho 😈

[void jay]

Nebula (or something nebula-like but not fully, as in void was to zero) would be very cool

[tepid burrow]

Neichel

I can’t stop talking about Neichel

[acoustic sage]

Why the fuck would he be on a billboard that's at least three decades old

[vagrant hound]

Needle died

[toxic delta]

could also be Jamba-esque
or mix of things

[sudden oracle]

Because GK is old

[vagrant hound]

Starry Sleep Kirby

[tepid burrow]

That actually sounds legit

[violet gorge]

I need sleep kirby with battle royals move set lol

[vagrant hound]

Starry Sleep Kirby will turn every enemy around into Crystal while sleeping and doing same effect as the deep sleep

It temporary slows down/stops their move

[violet gorge]

What about ice
Ice also is basically crytals

Crytals

[vagrant hound]

It’s okay I wanna cry too

[nocturne pebble]

I defo think the new world people are humans but I'm so scarred from the past like 8 years of discussion in this fandom 😭

[vagrant hound]

(I already cried 3 times)

[tepid burrow]

I think im becoming Yukkuri

[violet gorge]

Of laughter right?

[vagrant hound]

Magolor !?

[tepid burrow]

Yukkuri with Magolor
PoyoGuy With Neichel

[vagrant hound]

No I had 2 crying with happiness and excitement and 1 crying in sadness and being upset

Emotional rollercoaster 🔥 🔥

Wondaria reference

[toxic delta]

tbf they could be human-like (like Susie, Mages, etc.) or multiple different species (even besides the Beast Pack/animals)
do think at least some were human though

[nocturne pebble]

Galacta Knight ❌️
Grandpa Knight ✅️

[turbid nexus]

The Spaceship Wonderia

https://tenor.com/view/hardpretzel-spongebob-patrick-roller-coaster-screaming-on-roller-coaster-gif-15822836723246643102

[nocturne pebble]

Yea that's also possible

which is cool tbh

[tepid burrow]

Guys hear me out

Neichel and Galactia Knight teaming up as the final boss

[nocturne pebble]

There's so many kinds of creatures in Kirby that are advanced

[tepid burrow]

Like in SA

[nocturne pebble]

Neichel Knight

[lofty gyro]

Meta Knight
Morpho Knight
Sis Knight

[tepid burrow]

I’m going insane, please help me

[tepid burrow]

Always Bet On Neichel In Star-Crossed World

[toxic delta]

I can't wait for him to come in last minute to steal the heart, totally

[sudden oracle]

The duality of man

[toxic delta]

it will give 'great power' and totally do nothing else

[sudden oracle]

What’s next, Hyness?

[violet gorge]

Yes!
Always bet on jamba heart in star crossed world

[tepid burrow]

I’m going to be joining the trend

[vagrant hound]

Two types of people

[late girder]

ALWAYS BET ON BEANBON IN STAR CROSSED WORLD

[sudden oracle]

I’m gonna bet on her

[tepid burrow]

Batamon in SCW1!1!!1!1

[vagrant hound]

I’m betting on Daroach, ngl

Magolor and Daroach

[silk jewel]

Neichel is really just shadow ringle in disguise

[ocean ingot]

Magolor Daroach yaoi for SCW

[vagrant hound]

I do ship them…

On lor starcutter…

[tepid burrow]

Galactia Knight X Neichel

[sudden oracle]

W ship

[sand patrol]

.....

it doesnt

like at all

[turbid nexus]

Meta and Commentator Dee watching another vortex appear inside of the Colosseum after a meteor falls into it (they’re going to have to commentate from outside again)

[sand patrol]

When the final boss of ZEX is fecto elfilis and fecto shmoopendoo team up

[toxic delta]

if everyone's doing one of these them I'm gonna do one too
I'd replace the chips with hexagons if I wasn't lazy

[silk jewel]

the dice

[sudden oracle]

🔥🔥🔥

[arctic gale]

Not the miracle matter dice

[tepid burrow]

Miracle Matter fits here! Unsurprisingly!

[toxic delta]

I love my dark stars......

[vagrant hound]

still waiting for miracle matter dice merch

missed opportunity frfr

[tepid burrow]

Imagine Neichel merch

[vagrant hound]

simply buy music fest bluray

[toxic delta]

can't wait to roll it and then it turns into bomb form or something

[vagrant hound]

one of a miracle <3

[lean grove]

wonder what's going to happen should someone should start the game up after beating dedede the first time but before the final boss

in other words when elfilin is gone
are they going to get a different cutscene or are they not going to bother

[vagrant hound]

dedede finally moves from his bench

meta knight finally moves from the colosseum pillar

[lean grove]

"this story takes place in another place and time" ass narration from magoland pops up

[vagrant hound]

😭😭😭😭😭

they're actually connected to magoland

[sand patrol]

so i dont think this DLC could possibly run well on switch 2

though not major it does look like they are using the tech for some stuff they couldnt do before

particularly the sign mouth prolly would not work with how fast it goes, even the truck at the end of the game doesnt go that fast

[shrewd oracle]

i like to think that kirby is actually just eating literal crystals with the new car mouth kirby cake

[arctic gale]

You mean switch 1? Lmao

[sand patrol]

yes

i dont think switch 1 would be able to handle culling the enviorments that fast

[tribal igloo]

I still find it funny that I think yesterday I said overview trailer now and it did come out😭

[wide peak]

switch 1 would handle some stages well and some well lesser well

[trim sail]

Nothing from what I've seen in the trailer indicates that SCW couldn't run on the Switch 1 fine at 30fps with 540p-720p DRS

[shut pendant]

i was gone for one hour 😭

[sudden oracle]

The quartet of the century

[gleaming stream]

Always bet on betting on something

[toxic delta]

idk bit of the crystal effects seem harsh

[gleaming stream]

Hard candy!

[magic eagle]

Make me one but with our goddess

[gleaming stream]

I wonder where scw takes place

[sudden oracle]

I forgot

[gleaming stream]

After the events of the game or in the middle

[ocean ingot]

My switch 1 exploding when i somehow run Star-Crossed World and Crystal Sillydillo uses Gotcha Dillo

[sudden oracle]

I’m assuming after? Not entirely sure though

[ocean ingot]

Overview Trailer confirms it unlocks after beating Natural Plains

[sudden oracle]

Ultimate Cup Z EX hints towards after

[gleaming stream]

[ocean ingot]

So it happens alongside the main story

[turbid nexus]

My Switch 1 after hitting one Big Starry Flower

[acoustic sage]

WHO'S UP FOR ROUND 2?

[magic eagle]

Can I have the template please

[vagrant hound]

Good thing the pin message cap increased!

[acoustic sage]

Thank you Morpho for increasing the pin message cap

[acoustic sage]

Also Morpho Knight EX's design is interesting because I always interpreted the black parts on its normal mask as holes and not markings

[vagrant hound]

We might have to start sending yall to meme channel 😭

[acoustic sage]

Morpho when Elfilis' crazy sister emerges out of the meteorite:

[vagrant hound]

It’s funny as hell tho

[magic eagle]

Here you go Yukkuri

[lean grove]

bro I took all you guys' financial advices and I'm broke now

I have no more money to bet

[magic eagle]

Use Gem Apples instead

[acoustic sage]

Something I thing peculiar about Elfilis' crazy sister is that the outer-shell appears to actually be their ears wrapping around, similar to Elfilis when they're curled-up

[ocean ingot]

This new high quality look at the meteor fills me with whimsy

[acoustic sage]

Perhaps this (or something similar) is what their larval state is SUPPOSED to look like, when not the result of part of their body splitting-off

[sand patrol]

am i crazy for thinking this evidence is more solid then any galacta knight

[toxic delta]

not really, Elfilis is actually in the same game and all

[acoustic sage]

What, Elfilis' crazy sister?

Honestly yeah

[silk jewel]

ok ok I’ll do one last one

[sand patrol]

may just be a genderless species

so more like elfilis's crazy person of special relationship

[acoustic sage]

Yeah I'm making a reference to something specific

[toxic delta]

so it's bit more plausible for final boss to be related in way HiAD and Epilogue's was to their base games

[tepid burrow]

How would there be another Elfilis?!

[toxic delta]

same was as any other species? lol

[acoustic sage]

Elfilis'

crazy

sister

[toxic delta]

it would be really odd for them to talk about Fecto the way they do if there was not more than one (and also how many entitles in Kirby are actually concretely one being with no others of their species?)

[sand patrol]

more like another fecto

[toxic delta]

yeah

[tepid burrow]

Right, my mistake-

[acoustic sage]

Yeah the whole emphasis on Elfilis being a species

[toxic delta]

(but not really much difference rn tbh)

[acoustic sage]

Hell, they don't even have a proper name

[sand patrol]

the forgo part of the name seems more derived from their state of being while elfilis is their name

[acoustic sage]

It's more of a scientific/Latin one

I did initially think this was like a Jamba Heart or something related with how the outer-shell is similar to the whole weird flower altar from Star Allies, but...

That don't look like a heart to me...

Or at least not a perfect one

[shut pendant]

if i had a nickel for every time a switch kirby game got an update that added a truer arena, i'd have 2 nickels

[acoustic sage]

It's this blip that really threw everything out the window

[silk jewel]

false arena next game. Trust 💪 💪

[acoustic sage]

Like it's gotta curve there

[tepid burrow]

So no Neichel

[toxic delta]

tbf Ultimate Choice was weird case in the first place

[tepid burrow]

Or Galacta Knight

[sand patrol]

neichel is just a real person

im p sure

[acoustic sage]

See?

[sand patrol]

the idea is that WE were the population of the forgotten land

[toxic delta]

and with SMEX being the 'extra mode' version of it in general lmao

[tepid burrow]

But what about Shiver Star?

[sand patrol]

hence why the credits theme is "those who departed fro space"

idk shiver star could just not really matter

[toxic delta]

we have no idea who inhabited Shiver Star

[sand patrol]

or they are just electing to ignore it

[tepid burrow]

Interesting

But not really interesting at the same time

[sand patrol]

either way its all but confirmed the FL residence were human or at least very very close to us

[toxic delta]

(same way we have no idea who inhabited Rock Star)

[sand patrol]

even if it isnt earth

[green crater]

And again, even if there were humans on Shiver Star, who's to say there's only one place humans could be? Like even if you want to assume that all humans come from the new world, it would be insane of them to not spread out to a lot of different places after they left, imo anyway

[toxic delta]

yeah lol

[gleaming stream]

Can’t wait for the soundtrack

[shut pendant]

nuh uh, i've never been there

[tepid burrow]

I love the Elfilis species

[acoustic sage]

Speak for yourself

[shut pendant]

my favorite species of 2x0.5 confirmed members

[tepid burrow]

Is Fecto Forgo and Elfilin apart of the Squeak Squad?

[languid cobalt]

That could go hard for an au

But for now elfilins a good boy

[violet gorge]

How the heck would daroach convince fecto forgo to join the squeak squad?!?

[languid cobalt]

Simple

"Hey we're going to steal the fountain of dreams, you want in on this sweetness"

WAIT

HERE ME OUT

What if termina shows up

[sand patrol]

"do you need a stable income?"

[wise flame]

I'm listening, although it's because I got ears-

[languid cobalt]

Not void but the body void copy

[magic eagle]

Elfilin is a chinchilla, he can’t be a squeaker

[wise flame]

EXPLAIN THIS
https://youtu.be/9tuSfQODseg?si=Upba5gQjyHn4wVZd

[violet gorge]

Eh still a rodent

[wise flame]

Hrm okay something bothers me now...

[magic eagle]

Grunting

[wise flame]

...Like on one hand, the Starries are stated to be responsible for sealing up the heart

On the other hand...

...Who's sealing the Starries?

[sand patrol]

im guessing some other civilization that inhabits AD

[wise flame]

damn it's always Another Dimension

[sand patrol]

and they sealed away another fecto for similar reason to the human of the forgotten land

except the humans captured and tortured it to use its powers

[magic eagle]

Hyness…..?!?

[wise flame]

It seems like that one mid-boss may be related to the Starries

[violet gorge]

The secret good civilization because uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh staries are actually gonna be EVIL yea they will BETRAY you! The friend in the kirby game is actually EVIL
My kirby speculation is so original

https://tenor.com/view/laugh-lol-laughing-hard-dedede-gif-12010976

[wise flame]

But if we know anything about Elfilis... and boy do we know Elfilis...
I got a feeling that thing may be a product of the "heart"

The eyes, the gloop...

[sand patrol]

oh yea add that to the fecto evidence pile

clearly theres AD ties

[wise flame]

Elfilis, although sealed, still can do things

[violet gorge]

We can agree that the purple sky tears are AD right? Like it would be surprising if it wasn’t big AD portals

[wise flame]

But this new creature seems to do things better, capable of manifesting (?) new lifeforms... granted its "seal" has been broken

[rose field]

i completely forgot about this DLC until the trailer popped up in my feed 😔

[toxic delta]

convince them to destroy rich people idk

[rose field]

oh wow that's a sinister heart.

[toxic delta]

probably is

the real question is will they directly say lol

place your bets now

[wise flame]

Hrm, now that I think about it... Galacta Knight feels like a tempting thing to add here but...

[violet gorge]

Always bet on AD appearing in literally any modern kirby media

[wise flame]

With what they've shown so far, it seems like the "hearts" seal is the result of manual effort by the Starries

[rose field]

oh is that ||neichel i am hearing?????||

[toxic delta]

where is it in Blowout Blast smh

[wise flame]

Meanwhile we've been shown in Robobot/Super Clash that sometimes defeating GK can "re-seal" him without outside help...

[toxic delta]

is anyone? I think they did it to themselves

[wise flame]

Why is everyone stress curling omfg

[toxic delta]

and are just stuck in the state from when they sealed the dark star/meteor

[violet gorge]

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh…….

[sand patrol]

yea

basically they are dormant and need to be "reawakened" so they can reseal the heart

[wise flame]

Useless!

[rose field]

EX version of gachapon machine is crazy

[tepid burrow]

More Gambling!

[wise flame]

Tasked with a great responsibility, freezes when something goes a little wrong

[violet gorge]

I wonder if the staries are gonna stay after the dlc’s events
I guess it depends on if we reseal the evil or actually defeat it

Yk like so they don’t have to leave to reseal it

[sand patrol]

im gunna guess yes maybe

they will just stay on the fallen star volcano

but the dark heart will be gone

also plane mouthful is back on the menu

[bleak musk]

so what do people here think of the dark heart and the crystal heart

[sand patrol]

cyrstal heart is likely from the starries

sealing it

[toxic delta]

moreso it IS from the Starries, we basically already know that lol

[rose field]

it looked like jamba heart in its crystal form

i assume they are the same heart, atleast.

[toxic delta]

since they do reseal it during the story as well

[wise flame]

Heyhey just forgot... level names...

[sand patrol]

i wouldnt get too hung up on the jamba heart

[toxic delta]

tbh I don't really think the dark star is Jamba Heart, they could be related but it definitely isn't the exact same thing

[rose field]

yeah i dont think it is either

[sand patrol]

heart iconography is like the second most prevalent in all of kirby

[wise flame]

...Oh wait we only got one level name revealed in the trailer oops

[rose field]

i just thought it looks like jamba heart

[sand patrol]

and fecto eilfilis already has heart shapes in its design which is intentional

[toxic delta]

me when like almost every modern main series (+Super Star (Ultra)) final boss has heart motif

even Magolor and Lor sort of though in different way

[tepid burrow]

Starry Forgo is the Final Boss

[ocean ingot]

Got bored and decided to highlight the similarities between whatever's within the heart and forgo. Second image i color shifted and scaled forgo and stuck it in the heart. (I personally think it's something else)

[vagrant hound]

It’s Magolor!!

[acoustic sage]

I do think the ears are suppsed to be what's wrapping around the core

[rose field]

any other evil hearts I should know about

(i forgot is the original nova nucleus heart shaped)

[lucid minnow]

I think that’s all of them?

[ocean ingot]

Yes

[tepid burrow]

The heart does look like Soul Forgo now i see it.

[rose field]

i can see this

[ocean ingot]

-# this also took like 20 minutes cause i wanted to make the dark heart and forgo with transparent bgs 😭

[toxic delta]

yes

[tepid burrow]

No Galacta Knight Final Boss 😔

[rose field]

ah.

[wise flame]

Ok initial anagram prediction regarding FL's "remixed" levels: MAGIC CRYSTAL

Current Level names confirmed as of now:

• 1-1: Meteor Shower's Arrival
• 4-1: Crossing Wondaria
• 4-2: Spinning Dream Parade (newly revealed)

Result (assuming only 2 remixes per world): M- -- CS -- -- --
Verdict: Ok with only ONE new name reveal, there's either a chance that an anagram exists... or they're just names... feels like the latter since it doesn't seem to add up past "magic"

[ocean ingot]

Funny transparent guys

[acoustic sage]

Twins

[toxic delta]

doesn't add up with JP from what we can tell rn either

[ocean ingot]

ME DI CS FR OM TF (2)

Final boss is TF3 guys

[wise flame]

The only 7 lettered word starting with "S" I can even think of is... secret...

But that has like... no thematic relation???

[ocean ingot]

Magic Starry (but there's an extra letter slot )

[ocean ingot]

Secret is six letters?

[acoustic sage]

https://www.merriam-webster.com/wordfinder/classic/begins/common/7/s/1

[wise flame]

...fuck

[acoustic sage]

Just skimmed through it and found 'species'

That could work

[wise flame]

Well call it "secrets"

Again this relies on the idea that the level names even spell anything

[rose field]

MA GO CS HO PP E!

[vagrant hound]

MAGOLOR

[ocean ingot]

Magic Stardom - Neichel final boss confirmed

[ocean ingot]

Wait

MU SI CS TA RD OM
Music Stardom

[toxic delta]

first one already made it not likely, new one isn't helping

[wise flame]

So yeah may just be a pre-release coincidence for english then...

Ah well, there's probably an anagram somewhere

...Yeah no I'm still clinging onto the "new worlds" thing

[violet gorge]

When you gotta metamorphosize just for a manicure 💅 ✨
(This is forgo’s true motivation)

[wise flame]

Oh yeah btw at 2:54-3:33... that's a new song

Very Dream Buffet-ish

[toxic delta]

also have one of the European languages, French, for instance
for further reference

[wise flame]

I don't seem to recognize anything... feels like a song you'd play for a minigame

[toxic delta]

finally, Tilt and Roll 2

but yeah I would not be surprised if there's more to do in Waddle Dee Town that they're hiding lol

especially considering the Car Mouth Cake variant

[ocean ingot]

Third Café mode, a strange yet familiar cake appears...

[wise flame]

Ugh what are they gonna do with the "entrance" part of Waddle Dee Town??

Now that Arrival Point is just in the map... something has to take the old warp star's place...

[ocean ingot]

Build a five story parking garage for Magoland

(it might stay the same, considering that's how you arrive, map could just be an additional way so the Starry Stage cna have a place)

[wise flame]

At the very start of the game, there was this long pathway leading up to the town... but that part gets cut off to the "ramp" segment afterwards.

Perhaps they'll make use of that space... or just keep it as a transitionary build-up segment...

[rose field]

huh that is astronomer waddle dee in the heart cutscene

for some reason my brain registered that as bandee

[ocean ingot]

So from what I'm grasping, the gang explore the volcano at the beginning, find the trapped Starry and the dark heart, then go and reseal the heart with the Starries, but that seems to cause it to transform and then we ride a weird crystal elevator from the volcano to a crystal island in the sky...

[vagrant hound]

I can't believe Kirby is going to heaven

[turbid nexus]

Kirby and Bandee fight a Titan

[shut pendant]

...i do not get this logic

"if canon character appears in canon mode it becomes not canon"

[vagrant hound]

This is the same logic as "If Magolor shows up, it's always canon"

(which is true /s)

honestly why do people dont want canon gala smh

[shut pendant]

/srs*

[acoustic sage]

Never understood the "Galacta Knight isn't canon" crowd

[tardy mortar]

was there a moment when Magolor appears it's not canon

oh wait

[ocean ingot]

If Dale shows up it's non-canon. He's too powerful to be canon, we can't let it happen

[vagrant hound]

the world revolves around magolor

therefore, fl is not canon

[acoustic sage]

Sure, none of the fights THEMSELVES (apart from the Star Allies and Super Kirby Clash ones maybe) are canon, but why would they build up all of this lore surrounding him if it meant jack?

[shut pendant]

i get that people don't understand that everything is canon
i get that people don't understand that meta knightmare ultra is canon
i get that people don't understand that kirby clash is canon
i get that people don't understand that galacta knight is canon
but i don't get saying that galacta knight existing in something automatically makes it not canon

[lean grove]

seriously there's so many cutscenes with elfilin that they're probably just going to be like "you can't play these stages until you beat the game"

[ocean ingot]

true, forgotten land is a game, not a camera company

[silk jewel]

Most likely already posted but this is so funny

https://fxtwitter.com/depthsofwikirby/status/1952745140184813814?s=46&t=RqMmuZaDPQB62JaKgB_VaA

Depths of WiKirby (@DepthsOfWiKirby)

Magolor: COLLECT MY ENERGY SPHERES
︀︀Kirby: sorry i can't i EATED them all 💔💔💔

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FxTwitter · Aug 5, 2025, 2:54 PM

[shut pendant]

woah i love that account! it is my favorite twitter account. i wonder whose account it is?

[silk jewel]

Mine now

[shut pendant]

[rocky berry]

427 likes....

[shut pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/jevil-deltarune-crazy-jevil-fight-gif-27335657

[vagrant hound]

everything magolor related is made by me

[ocean ingot]

88 reposts... tragic

[shut pendant]

OH MY GOD

I AM THE CHOSEN ONE

[rocky berry]

https://tenor.com/view/invincible-invincible-title-card-powerplex-invincible-powerplex-aaron-paul-gif-1733043707559351643

okay that ending to the gif was not something i expected lol

[spiral void]

Incredible ❤️

[shut pendant]

actually that says invincible

[vagrant hound]

Invincible candy theme

it will play again in new remix

[silk jewel]

inedible candy

[twin fog]

I love clicking a gif and it just blindsides you with random shit

Or you can see there's text but its too small to read in preview size and you gamba on it not saying something stupid

[vagrant hound]

😭

nahhh cause I hate when it happens and it's very bad

like super duper ooc

[twin fog]

https://tenor.com/view/tenshi-tenshi-hinanawi-touhou-touhou-lost-word-gif-22409942

[vagrant hound]

TLW reference?

[twin fog]

I can't believe forgo dropped all his seal crystals across the new world

[ocean ingot]

Random little detail, but you can see the warp star above the Volcano when the first stage is unlocked!

Likely the whole freeing Starry/finding the evil heart cutscene is part of the opening

Also rip Hi-jump 💔

[vagrant hound]

hi-jump was replaced (good)

[toxic delta]

Morpho appears in FL, noncanon
clearly

[sand patrol]

maybe this year FL will be nommed for best art direction right

[twin fog]

No Kirby game after Super Star is canon

[toxic delta]

DL2 also does not exist

[twin fog]

There is no reality any nintendo game ever wins an art direction award

[sudden mirage]

hi jump if it was awesome

[toxic delta]

DL1, Adventure, and Super Star are the only games I think

[sand patrol]

if there was anything i think this game doesnt get enough credit for is art direction

at least by the wider audience

[violet gorge]

It was already outperformed by sands guard attack. It got double replaced

[toxic delta]

it was already outclassed in base RtDL

[vagrant hound]

[hybrid hornet]

fr,, (I dont even care what he does i want him confirmed to be alive 👉 👈 )

[twin fog]

Hi-Jump y r u bad

[shut pendant]

FACT: kirby's dream land, kirby's adventure, kirby super star, kirby nightmare in dream land, kirby air ride, kirby air riders, and the super smash brothers series of video games are the only canon kirby games

[violet gorge]

Oh poor hi jump, HI JUMP FANS COME ON AND DEFEND YOUR ABILITY!!!!

https://tenor.com/view/hop-on-the-cycle-frontier-the-cycle-frontier-hop-on-the-cycle-frontier-gif-26888181

[rustic crow]

Reject Hi Jump
Embrace Poison

[toxic delta]

they should make a mode tied to and having continuity with rest of the game where he has his backstory explained and you see him get summoned and you fight him and
oops, I made MKU again

and then once you fight him they should have it be referenced in relation to like 3 different games afterwards

[hybrid hornet]

and then he dies again for the funny joke (literally)

[sudden oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/galacta-knight-boss-kirby-gif-10853596791543531404

This is what happens in SCW lol

[sudden oracle]

He appears and then flees instantly

[vagrant hound]

I still dont like how gala's glowing eyes are wide visible

[lucid minnow]

well, nobody likes hi-jump

[vagrant hound]

take that back! I've seen hi-jump fan!

(not me)

[toxic delta]

only one?

[hybrid hornet]

wdym

[sudden mirage]

hi jump rolls hardest challenge stage of all time, asked to leave series

[vagrant hound]

RTDLDX gala's eyes are already opened before getting out the crystal

[hybrid hornet]

oh, true

[twin fog]

They broke the animation of his eyes so they're just on the entire time

[violet gorge]

Notice how the sentence is singular, not plural*

[vagrant hound]

yeah I actually know one fan

they do hi-jump speedrun

[toxic delta]

the fan's name is nobody

[vagrant hound]

hi-jump speedrunners when they encounter metal general (they're cooked)

[violet gorge]

Can’t believe there’s only one hi jump fan
Thats one more than I expected there to be

[vagrant hound]

tbh

[sudden oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-nightmare-in-dreamland-kirby-game-boy-advance-game-nintendo-gif-24402441

[sand patrol]

So is twinkling star showers is the name of the main theme?

[ocean ingot]

Huh, apparently there's an expired present code: CROWNED that gave two fried eggs and coins

[vagrant hound]

I like the hi-jump outfit a lot

[lucid minnow]

me too

[sudden mirage]

ok to hi jump’s credit there are much worse abilities

[violet gorge]

Joking aside hi jump was surprisingly good in adventure
Its just that the damage output in rtdl is so neutered for like no reason

[ocean ingot]

hi jump was the only reason i beat Mecha Kracko lol

[vagrant hound]

hi-jump in adventure and SQSQ is goated

[sudden oracle]

Tornado works too

[vagrant hound]

mecha kracko shows up in star crossed world

[violet gorge]

Hi-jump anywhere BUT rtdl was at least decent
Funny how one game could completely destroy an abilties legacy lmao

[sudden oracle]

Honestly so based if they decided to do that

[violet gorge]

High jump in fl would be so funny, kirby will bang his head on the invisible flight ceiling

[vagrant hound]

hi-jumps to the side

[sudden oracle]

Or he’ll break it

Nah, that’s just Toy Hammer

[vagrant hound]

hi-jump sounds like a good ability to get glitches on

[violet gorge]

Can we have this but like unironically
I will say it a million times if they let you free aim the jumps it would immediately become an S tier mobility ability

It would probably actually even outdo wing in terms of mobility

[vagrant hound]

honestly being able to go sideway would be fun

and it would work with 3d as well

[tardy mortar]

Cannon Kirby

[vagrant hound]

but at that point people will just ask for wheel in fl but we already have carby so

[tardy mortar]

he fires himself in all directions possible to jump

[violet gorge]

Yea but like really imagine it though. Missle with the burst movement of jet
Thats what free aim high jump would be

[tardy mortar]

it's probably too good for game design

Gonna Magolor Surge instead

[vagrant hound]

I honestly want to see more evolution or new ability (or returning)....

but the new mouthful looks so fun

I love the gear mouth so freaking much

I didnt meant to put magolor

(/srs)

[violet gorge]

I was kinda hoping for a new ability since the Nintendo treehouse description lied to us

[tardy mortar]

I don't believe you

[vagrant hound]

NO IM NOT JOKING SOB

[toxic delta]

wdym the Kirbys are the Energy Spheres, clearly

[tardy mortar]

but we do need Steampunk Kirby in a game

[vagrant hound]

magolor please show up so I can eggsplode in peace

[tardy mortar]

give me Dreamy Gear Magolor in a game

[toxic delta]

or he's eating the Dreamy Gears

[violet gorge]

Kirby just followed in the league of the doomers

[vagrant hound]

the gear mouth hints the upcoming dreamy gear rpg game

[violet gorge]

Those gears are probably really tasty

[vagrant hound]

I forgot about waddle dee

[toxic delta]

it'll actually be a visual novel just to annoy everyone

[violet gorge]

You say that like people wouldn’t be hyped regardless lmao

[toxic delta]

(never said they would be majorly annoyed lol)

or make it Adventure game

[tardy mortar]

finally the non action kirby game

[violet gorge]

Star stacker is a puzzle game!

[toxic delta]

action-puzzle smh

falls from the sky quickly so it must be action

[tardy mortar]

looks at Sutte Hakkun

[sand patrol]

Gear mouth sounds like it would be like a puzzle baded ability

Nah

Sonic the hedgehog

[sudden oracle]

After Kirby Air Riders launches we must prepare for the inevitable Kirby RPG starring Kirby, Elfilin, and friends

[toxic delta]

that being said it is genuinely considered that

[sudden oracle]

And all Beast Pack members

[lucid minnow]

Heck yeah!

[toxic delta]

I thought it was gonna be for messing with platforms and stuff before the trailer lol

[sudden oracle]

Maybe gear will be used for puzzles too and they’re keeping it a secret from us

[wise flame]

Ok remind me again... are starry levels unlocked based on waddle dee counts per world?

[toxic delta]

no they said in trailer, is first unlocked after Natural Plains, then afterwards from completing Starry World stages beforehand (and presumably those from completing their normal equivalent)

[wise flame]

Yeah I recalled a descrepency between the english and JP trailer... just wanted to make sure...

[toxic delta]

only thing is with visuals, US trailer used dev file lol

JP says the same thing there

[wise flame]

Just so that I can say uh, words about a certain group of "players"...

[toxic delta]

(UK also had it fine)

[wise flame]

YouTube "Gameplay Archivists" when they have to replay all of FL again with their Super-Duper-Unfair early access physical copy before showing SCW on day 1:

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-screaming-then-running-away-spongebob-squarepants-spongebob-spongebob-meme-running-gif-14848209682511966800

[toxic delta]

I mean, if they want to show off just SCW they can continue from old file

[wise flame]

Hrm actually just wondering... say you got the digital copy of the original...

But then you get a physical copy of the S2E

[toxic delta]

saves are tied to console, not cart

[wise flame]

Will the physical S2E be a separate thing or will it act like an expensive upgrade pack?

[toxic delta]

probably latter for time it is in there but would have to ask someone who has that specific set up
not that it would change much either way

[wise flame]

Well shit...

[toxic delta]

because again saves are console thing

[wise flame]

Yeah no the joke failed immediately

[torn vapor]

https://x.com/KirbyEarthbound/status/1952764890583605361?t=OzIZp4PjPa3TDTawQWWh_Q&s=19

KirbBound (@KirbyEarthbound)

THE BACKGROUND HAS SIMILAR POINTED ROCKS TO THE GALACTA KNIGHT FIGHT HE MIGHT BE IN THIS

X · Aug 5, 2025, 4:13 PM

OH THERES A CHANCE