[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

[finite pecan]

||what if the sword and the crown kissed||

[vocal latch]

My interpretation of ancients timeline lol
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-Fecto Elfilis invades a world
-Fecto Elfilis captured and contained in the Eternal Capsule at Lab Discovera (its ID being F86)
-Scientists make a planetary warp technology based on ID-F86's spatial transport ability
-30 years after capture, Fecto Elfilis splits into two beings; Fecto Forgo and Fecto Elfilin
-The people leave the world with their technology to a land of dreams
-At some point they settle in Halcandra
-They see Void sparkling like a star and write a book of riddles and legends about it
-Void becomes Void Termina, Destroyer of Worlds and gets sealed by Four Heroes with their Heart-Spears
-Scientists become friends with Jamba Tribe, who master magic, and form prosperity
-Many artifacts are presumably made by this time which are found in several planets
-A galactic crisis happens, but is stopped by the Jamba Tribe
-The Jamba Tribe is banished to the end of the galaxy due to the scientists fearing their power
-A conflict occurs with them, Metal General and the Fortresses of Shadow (Jambastions) could have been made during this period by the respective groups
-Halcandra and its people fall

[junior fiber]

yoo this is awesome

[vocal latch]

thx lol

[leaden terrace]

👍 👍

[vocal latch]

I could've added more of Hyness' backstory but I feel like the stuff with him chasing the Jamba Heart's legends and recruiting the Mage Sisters was far more recent, so I don't think it'd fit tbh

[lofty condor]

Niceee

[junior fiber]

||i also think they spread to other planets after halcandra too, like popstar and stuff||

when will they explain the crisis

[vocal latch]

||Oh agreed, at the prosperity time 100%||

[leaden terrace]

today

right now

[junior fiber]

yipee!!

[junior fiber]

||hope we get to see them at peak prosperity while im still alive||

[vocal latch]

||Yo I saw a cool Alien rn which kinda looks like a rat||

[rustic trellis]

[faint galleon]

When is ||Galacta Knight sealed away||

[novel fog]

also note the fact they seem to name Void/Niru after their word for 'you' lol

[vocal latch]

||I dunno||

||Could be the galactic crisis or at the same time as when they lost trust to the Jamba Tribe||

||Due to both being sealed/banished for the exact same reason ||

[leaden terrace]

being too silly

[lofty condor]

It will never not be funny how ||the Ancients left their original world to go to another one only to have it destroyed lol||

||Like Bro that’s gotta suck lmao||

[junior fiber]

they cant stop taking L's

[finite pecan]

||talk about putting the L in Lor||

[leaden terrace]

||Bitches be like "We have our whole future ahead of us" No you don't the darkness is coming 😂||

[vocal latch]

GALACTA KNIGHT SPECIAL PAGE (KIRBY SUPER STAR ULTRA)
いにしえのじだいに その力ゆえにふういんされた でんせつのせんし。はるかなるときをこえ いざしょうぶ！
A legendary warrior who was sealed because of his power in ancient times. Distant time has been crossed, now fight!

HYNESS (KIRBY STAR ALLIES)
かつてともであったヤツらはわれらいちゃくのチカラにおそれたのか、いちぞくをみなことごとくふういんしぎんがのはてへとおいやった！
They who were once our friends, perhaps fearing the power of our clan, sealed the entirety of our clan and drove us off to the ends of the galaxy!

Y'know

the funniest thing is

The Jambandra has some weirdass parallels to Nova

[junior fiber]

mr ancient was not having it

[vocal latch]

First of all, you need the Milky Road/starry path to even get there.
Both are described as being at「ぎんがのはて」"the end of the galaxy"
Both have a crystalized quirky heart

[vocal latch]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-magolor-epilogue-magolor-sad-magolor-cry-gif-27649123

[tawdry mulch]

||close to mine but I go crazy with more things like
-Shining form of Void was a Pop Star
-Galactic Crisis was Galacta Knight trying to prevent dimensional destruction under the ancients. They stopped him but were scared off into Clash verse (or their societies were damaged beyond repair) and took the Jambastastions with them.
-They eventually do kick out the Jambastions back into the dimension they abandoned
-Galacta does show up in Clash verse in SKC but fails to stop their antics resulting in dimensional destruction leaving Halcandras floating island behind||

[vocal latch]

||I just assume Shining Form of Void was Void due to how it's right before that phase (basically) plus its theme lol||

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[tawdry mulch]

Perhaps but I want to think out of the box cause that's BOOORRRIINNGGG honk shoo shoo shoo mimimimimi

I would not write a book about that

[novel fog]

would you not write a book about a cool star-like thing

[tawdry mulch]

I could but stars are real so people probably did that already

[leaden terrace]

i mean theres prob millions of books about stars anyways so clearly people would write a book about a cool star-like thing

[tawdry mulch]

Ancients discovering those shiny things in the sky are actually stars

The cornerstone of the cultural Renaissance

Maybe they did just write about that cause it looked cool they do put stars on everything

[vocal latch]

TRUE VOID TERMINA'S FIRST CORE SPECIAL PAGE (KIRBY STAR ALLIES)
星のように 輝く彼を見て、古代の人々は 謎と共に書物に残した。
Seeing him shine like a star, ancient people described him in a book of riddles.

His theme during that phase's called「最終楽章：煌めき星」"Final Movement: Sparkling Star", his title is「星誕」"Star Birth" (or Star Arise), his defeat sound is STAR ARISE and the credits arrangement from The Sound of Kirby Café 2 is called「きらめき星、うまれて」"A Sparkling Star is Born"

Just collecting like all I can think of rn btw

Not trying to debunk ur idea lol

[lofty condor]

What book did the Ancients write anyway
Was it this

[leaden terrace]

exactly

[vocal latch]

Just providing my own reasons for my thoughts

[tawdry mulch]

I like the idea that they moved to Pop Star and it's surrounding planets cause it was super awesome and cool like some holy Land but then got bullied by Galacta and said "uhhhh this alternate version of this planet is our holy Land now this place stinks! "

"The horrible destruction of our society wont happen again trust us!!!"

[vocal latch]

-has a riddle about four matters (Dream, Dark, Heart, Soul) and the birth of origin's creator
-explains in a follow-up how depending on the energy gathered, Void can be born into a variety of beings
-mentions how the Jamba Heart, Void's vessel, came from Another Dimension
-describes how Void Termina was sealed by four heroes
-provides another riddle (?) on a ritual of unsealing Void Termina

[tawdry mulch]

Four mattlors

[novel fog]

for sparkling stuff, they mentioned Void was supposed to be born again as something in the sparkles in Music Fest interview iirc

[leaden terrace]

why are they all riddles anyways

do they do this back then too

or do the ancients just love riddles

[tawdry mulch]

Ancients were trying to be cool I guess

[vocal latch]

WHAT

Oh it's in the pramphlet isn't it

[tawdry mulch]

Music fest lore

[novel fog]

what, you didn't know?

[vocal latch]

I didn't read the music fest pramphlet lol

[tawdry mulch]

Clearly he became Ripple Star look at its face

[novel fog]

https://www.ndw.jp/kirby-30th-musicfest-5/ think I've mentioned it before

[vocal latch]

thx

[tawdry mulch]

Why does it have a face

[novel fog]

in this line
そして希望に繋がる終わり方にしたかったので、きらめきの中で何かに生まれ変わるはずのニルを見た後、エンディングで現れるワープスターに出会う「ラストフレンズ」という曲につなげました。

[leaden terrace]

8D

[novel fog]

iirc something like "I also wanted the ending to lead to hope, so after seeing Niru, who is supposed to be reborn as something in the sparkles, I connected it to the song "Last Friends" where we meet the Warp Star that appears at the ending. "

[tawdry mulch]

Me staring at the classic Kirby unlock on the table

[limpid edge]

TF is that?

[vocal latch]

Uncultured

[finite pecan]

dark prognosticus (however its spelled) from super paper mario

[rustic trellis]

Ancients would definitely write the dark prognosticus and not think anything of it

[tawdry mulch]

The book of legend smhhh

[finite pecan]

ayo i spelled it right?

[vocal latch]

Kumazaki: And since I wanted the ending to lead to hope, I connected it to the song "Last Friends", where after seeing Nil, who is supposed to be reborn into something that sparkles, we meet the Warp Star that appears at the ending. Including a different structure from the suite version of the game, it became a complete suite that gives a sense of the flow of the story with Nil.
SOURCE: https://www.ndw.jp/kirby-30th-musicfest-5/

Thx Ultrby for the quote

[tawdry mulch]

Horray new link translation thing

[vocal latch]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-gif-19575284

[cursive sandal]

Magolor's black hole is just his final smash

[vocal latch]

I think I do those a lot tbh

But sources do be important

[tawdry mulch]

We love citing sources to verify shared information!!!

[unreal stag]

why would ||the sword have a name anyway||

[vocal latch]

why not

it's cool

After all the Void star and birth talk again

you gotta think

0² is a fallen angel, so would that make him a falling star, and in a sense, a shooting star

[rustic trellis]

but how are we gonna spread misinformation on the internet if we cite sources?

[leaden terrace]

we dont

instead we gaslight people

[vocal latch]

Clearly this means that Zero is Galactic Nova, who is the Jambandra, which contains the Jamba Heart, which is Void Termina, which is Dark Matter, which is evil Kirby, who is Galacta Knight

[vocal latch]

omg he truly is a shooting star 😱

[leaden terrace]

no way

[rustic trellis]

yo is that a ztar

[vocal latch]

guess a falling star does fit the falling angel theming kinda lmfao

only kinda tho

[solar harbor]

No it's Dark Nebula (real!!!)

[faint galleon]

Dark Nebula ‼️

[leaden terrace]

now that u mentioned dark nebula

i kinda like to see this image is like

pop star after dark nebula fell through

cartoonishly

[vocal latch]

Again, I dread the day where a K64 remake releases with 0² Soul and it ends with him exploding with...purple and black stars coming out of him

[spark lotus]

iirc ||the sword is also used by a king and it's like.. what a coincidence||

[obtuse vessel]

I just realized return to dreamland is the first game to tell us about the ancients in the first place and now epilogue is finally telling us how they died

[limpid edge]

Galaxia

[tawdry mulch]

||Add an axe to this and we have all of Terminas memory weapons 😳||

[unreal stag]

but galaxia looks cool and it's actually owned by a cool guy

that swords just

on the ground

not every sword has to have a name and a history

[limpid edge]

But it's turned into a cool sword by a cool guy

[spark lotus]

oh and there are multiple of that same sword

and the other swords are decayed from time

[finite pecan]

||ok but imagine just randomly finding a sword on the ground and it turned out to be a legendary sword||

[limpid edge]

But he made it SPECIAL

[spark lotus]

it was on the wall before ||crowned doomer got rid of it|||

[obtuse vessel]

Wait, the sword has a name?

[spark lotus]

||it kind of is in an ancient ruin though||

[spark lotus]

it's debatable

[vocal latch]

||Magolor with his magic can make a regular sword to a Ultra Sword...and his Ultra Sword during Soul resembles Galaxia ||

[spark lotus]

and I mean.. usually legendary swords have names..

but that'd be assuming a bit about Galaxia I guess

don't think anything's confirmed about it within the confines of the games

[limpid edge]

It is "Master" in AM

[spark lotus]

could be referring to the copy ability Kirby gets

[leaden terrace]

||someone here talked about how galaxia might've been associated with master crown and idk how to feel about it||

[peak dagger]

Ok, so my thoughts

|| If the sword originally had a name, it's long since forgotten. However, I can easily see Magolor choosing to give his sword a name later on just because it's cool, and also it probably saved his life. ||

[spark lotus]

or some people argue Master Sword is a different sword (though nintendo def changed it to be different from zelda)

[leaden terrace]

||i dont think that swords ever coming back again lol he turned it into ultra sword||

[unreal stag]

see that's how i'd see it if it was named

[vocal latch]

||I feel like Galaxia was made by the ancients too at this point lmfao||

[unreal stag]

he'd name it

[leaden terrace]

everyone's a fucking thief in this galaxy

[vocal latch]

||I mean, in the anime, where the design and name originated, it was made in ancient times too LOL||

[spark lotus]

always hesitant to mention the anime but ye, like 50,000 years ago

[vocal latch]

||Unless Meta Knight's like really fucking old lol||

[peak dagger]

We don't know, maybe it was inherited through family lines, instead of found somewhere. We don't know anything about the history there.

[leaden terrace]

||i mean that would mean he'd know galacta knight. except nova lectured him about it||

[spark lotus]

at some point it's not grave robbery anymore

it's archaeology

[finite pecan]

wonder where the line is drawn

[junior fiber]

magolor the "archeologist"

[tawdry mulch]

||Maybe tbh. I'm curious if him not having a sword in Clash is indicative of anything lmaoo. If somehow that is the same Meta Knight before getting Galaxia||

[maiden crane]

i think if the civilization is long dead its the latter

[spark lotus]

wait he's in clash? I know he shows up in the clash novels

[leaden terrace]

itd be crazy if we literally meet one of the last living ancients

[proper spindle]

Hyness

[tawdry mulch]

||I do think Landia and mayyyybeee the Mage Sisters and Hyness the same||

[peak dagger]

He hangs out in the background anyway

[proper spindle]

We’ve met plenty of just straight up ancient beings at this point

[tawdry mulch]

||Mostly sure about Landia||

[tawdry mulch]

Does he have his sword in the novel

[rustic trellis]

im waiting for the ancients to never have been real and it was all just an epic prank by marx

[spark lotus]

one of the things that cooULD be in support of this is the fact Dark Meta Knight's sword has a completely different look from Meta Knight's in Star Allies, but this could also just be the sword having the ability to change shape (the "Master Sword" is very inconsistent throughout AM) as it seems implied to in the anime (and also in Robobot if Mecha Knight still uses "Galaxia")

[spark lotus]

I forget, if he does he certainly never uses it

[leaden terrace]

marx gaslit magolor who then gaslit everyone else

[spark lotus]

they might call him a swordsman at one point but mostly Team Kirby does all the work and he does some information gathering (and has some menial chores forced on him by Kirby lol)

[rustic trellis]

Meta Knight when hes too busy washing the dishes to kill god with team kirby

[vapid kestrel]

||Me slamming my head against a wall every time someone thinks Mistilteinn refers to Magolor's sword instead of the Master Crown||

[leaden terrace]

😭

[spark lotus]

is ||Mistilteinn literally just mistletoe in a different language||

[leaden terrace]

its just a name

[peak dagger]

I'm still in the camp of "the Ancients were a widely varied group who are probably the ancestors of everyone" rather than being one specific society lol

[vapid kestrel]

||Yes||

[leaden terrace]

what language is it tho? i never learned where those teinn names ceom from lol

was it norse

[peak dagger]

Ok but in fairness ||when you Google the name, the sword is the first thing that pops up|| so it's understandable that it's an easy assumption

[spark lotus]

yeah see if it were just a name ||the legend of the sword with the same name being relevant would hold more water, but that sword doesn't have a unique name, it's just named after a plant||

thing is, it seems intentional it's ||Mistletoe in whatever language Mistilteinn is..||

[leaden terrace]

like i said before it can just mean both ||master crown and the sword, basically the fight||

that would be much less hassle

[spark lotus]

only issue is if the sword actually had a name before the fight it'd be weird

[leaden terrace]

HAL has always done those double triple quadruple meanings in their names

[junior fiber]

tbh i dont see why it matters lol

[leaden terrace]

its really not that far off to think so

yeah

[peak dagger]

||Feels Norse or related to me||

[vocal latch]

(https://twitter.com/Kirby_JP/status/1187564748788789249)

"Meta Knight", a resident of Port Village!
This time, Meta Knight has come to Port Village! The adventure of the hunters has progressed!
The way he flies on the sea breeze is just awesome, even for a squid! (DeepL is really struggling here I think or I just have no idea what it means help what squid is it talking about does he mean ultimate squishy or is he calling Meta Knight that)
There's equipment at the Shoppe that's just right for him! Don't just stare, go shopping!
Don't go anywhere without buying something!

[spark lotus]

because there's ||multiple of that sword on the wall, and magolor just has a legendary sword now, why else would a sword have a name? the idea Magolor named it later seems pretty cool to me||

[leaden terrace]

even for a squid 😭

[junior fiber]

meta knight the squid!!

[leaden terrace]

i wish meta knight was real

[vocal latch]

https://media.giphy.com/media/FOW1b5Y3AOO0kX3KEh/giphy.gif

[junior fiber]

you say that like they dont have living replicas of kirby meta knight and dedede walking around in HAL labs

[vocal latch]

Would Dedede be ID-F33

[leaden terrace]

you can just say ID-DD3

F was for fecto

[vocal latch]

Nah see

[leaden terrace]

Oh...

[spark lotus]

DD DD DD DD DD DD

[vocal latch]

Dedede is actually

Fecto Dedede

because remember

[leaden terrace]

Youre right. How could I be so foolish

[vocal latch]

Fecto derives from perfect

and don't forget...

King Dedede is already perfect.

[tawdry mulch]

Where him sword 🤨

The town is UNDER ATTACK get to work bozo Spark Bonkers is here

[spark lotus]

maybe the squids are watching him, like even to a squid

[vocal latch]

Meta Knight is chased by an army of squids

[leaden terrace]

Meta Knight gets splat
"Ugh! I feel... dirty...!"

[tawdry mulch]

If this incredibly minor detail of him not having a sword ends up being a real thing that matters my jaw will drop

[spark lotus]

"The way he flies on the sea breeze is even squid-esque!"
what i got from deepl just now

[tawdry mulch]

They made ||Magolors Ultra Sword matter so idk what to expect from these guys||

[spark lotus]

he doesn't have his sword in the dreamy gears novel eityher

i think his sword has some backstory, from being made to him obtaining it

what we could glean from that is probably that he wasn't born with the sword in his hand, at least

[leaden terrace]

i then he just forgot his sword

thats why he flew away (and forgot to bring his sword again)

sorry guys hes a pretty forgetful person

[spark lotus]

they might be calling him "creepy" or something

probably because bat wings and all

[vocal latch]

Woah new lore in RTDX website huh

[spark lotus]

"The way he flies on the sea breeze is even a bit snazzy!"

[spark lotus]

is this a joke, im looking at the squid agents part like

[tawdry mulch]

No it's canon just checked

[vapid kestrel]

I blame the English translation for ||leaving out literally calling the mastercrown a mistletoe||

[rustic trellis]

Mk doesnt speak about what happend in '93

[leaden terrace]

Ermmm too on the nose !!! snort

[spark lotus]

neat someone posted it already

im subscribed to this guy and I was still late Dx.. wait.. oh im not actually subscribed

[tawdry mulch]

I almost feel like this mistake would still be made given that the song name clearly is calling ||the tree Mistilteinn lmaooo||

Then they did a Google search and it was joever

[vocal latch]

||The last line for some reason reminds me of Ultimate Choice Void Termina description lmfao||

[coarse flower]

What are we getting mad about

[leaden terrace]

what

[tawdry mulch]

We hate swords

[leaden terrace]

yeah

cant you see

were getting real riled up about swords

a single mention of a sword and we lose it

[vapid kestrel]

||Me when I see Astral Birth: Void, and search up what Astral means (It means Star and Kirby is related to stars meaning Astral Birth refers to Kirby||

[coarse flower]

Ok but seriously what’s the issue

[junior fiber]

yeah i dont see the issue either lol

[leaden terrace]

were just debating what ||mistleteinn|| refers to

[coarse flower]

||in mythology, misilteinn is the name of the sword and the tree||

[leaden terrace]

||i have not heard of a tree being named mistilteinn||

[vapid kestrel]

||That's not 'in mythology', that's just literally what Mistilteinn means, it's a tree. There's a sword in mythology named after the tree||

[leaden terrace]

yeah

[coarse flower]

Ok then ||but it still makes sense to call the tree that, especially since the sword is turned into magolors ultra sword||

[vapid kestrel]

||Yes, the tree is mistilteinn, that's what we're saying||

[tawdry mulch]

Double meaning oh em cheeeese

[vapid kestrel]

||Or rather, that's what the song title literally says||

[coarse flower]

Oh

[coarse flower]

I thought y’all were saying the ||sword was it||

[leaden terrace]

id wager its just both

[vapid kestrel]

||Mfs be like "But Mistilteinn is a sword and the Master Crown is not a sword||

[coarse flower]

That’s ||terminas arm tho||

[tawdry mulch]

Sword lore

[spark lotus]

||that's the crown on the end of it before the sword part||

[leaden terrace]

||yeah and its master crown||

[coarse flower]

Not the ||real crown||

Just a recreation

[spark lotus]

there's a relation there

[leaden terrace]

||its still master crown||

[vocal latch]

||nothing is real...
nothing...void...
void is real ||

[spark lotus]

||Void Termina's crowns and Master Crown in deluxe even do the same attack||

[leaden terrace]

||magolor soul uses super abilities including ultra sword because its master crown||

[floral mantle]

Me watching people ||getting confused over Nutty Noon Magoland.||

[tawdry mulch]

Poor souls

[coarse flower]

Well what if ||precorruption crown was used against void||

[leaden terrace]

we dont even know that

[neat path]

Whoa, playable Galacta Knight!!!

[spark lotus]

oh fuck

[leaden terrace]

TRUE

[tawdry mulch]

||Sorry fellas gotta beat extra mode 100% to even get the seeds to figure that one out||

[spark lotus]

well no actually

[vocal latch]

||I like to think Void Termina has the Master Crown attacks either from
a) the Jamba Heart of the distant past encountering the Master Crown's shards from the present through their travels in Another Dimension beyond time and space
b) Hyness' tribe was involved in its creation, so his sacrifice caused Void Termina to mimic weapons they made||

[coarse flower]

Yeah it doesn’t HAVE TO BE ||void created it||

[spark lotus]

||Void Termina's crown looks exactly like the crown as Magolor (and not Magolor Soul for some reason) used it||

||while the crown as Landia uses it (and how it seems to look when nobody is wearing it) looks different||

[leaden terrace]

||void didnt make it but void is definitely most likely related to master crown||

[floral mantle]

I have seen people call RTDL Deluxe|| an alternate timeline because of Magoland...||

[leaden terrace]

i feel like HAL's doing everything in its power to tell you that lol

[coarse flower]

||magolor’s didn’t have wings||

[tawdry mulch]

I think it's cause ||the ancients used the darkness spread by the Jamba Heart to make the Crown, and Termina remembers that||

[spark lotus]

it did actually

[novel fog]

||well, it is mistletoe specifically (and referring to crown itself probably), note that in mythology it is not just a sword though, but also a mistletoe that was thrown and turned into an arrow/spear iirc||

[coarse flower]

Not ||phase 1||

[leaden terrace]

||traitor magolor (phase 1)'s crown has wings, just not sprouting out||

[spark lotus]

you have to look pretty closely at it but the ||wing patterns are pressed up against the crown's base||

and yes I am talking about phase 1

[novel fog]

||but yeah in JP media it's used for a lot of non-sword stuff I believe lol||

[coarse flower]

It’s not there

[vapid kestrel]

||I think people also need to have some awareness that, again, the story is not written in English
You might go 'but Mistilteinn is the name of a sword' and while that might be the English association of using that word, if you actually google mistilteinn in Japanese every article explaining what the word means first says that its a type of tree that appeared in norse mythology that was fashioned into an arrow to kill the God of Light Baldr, and only after that says that it also appeared in Gripssonar as the name of a sword||

[vapid kestrel]

Me when I get sniped

[leaden terrace]

they made it easier to see in deluxe too

emphasizing on the shading

[spark lotus]

Landia's version of the crown doesn't really have that eye on it either

[vocal latch]

Could someone make a cool render of Traitor Magolor's crown?

[leaden terrace]

to be fair landia wasnt using it at all

[spark lotus]

true but that kinda adds to the point

[leaden terrace]

at least not to a point that it transforms

[vocal latch]

Would be cool if we had all crown variations one day as some render lol

[spark lotus]

though Landia was probably using it to stay merged into one body 🤔

[novel fog]

||also is mistiletoe actually a tree I thought it was a parasitic plant that just takes nutrients and stuff off trees||

[leaden terrace]

yeah...

HAL pls

[vapid kestrel]

Well the crown actually has two appearances based on whether Landia is wearing it as a four-headed dragon vs when he's split up

[spark lotus]

like it just looks like that by default if Landia wasn't even using it

[spark lotus]

I did not know that

[odd rover]

||Yes it is a plant||

||The very one people kiss under on Christmas||

[leaden terrace]

ngahhh whyd they make THIS one complicated

i get everything else but why this

[coarse flower]

That’s more like ||another layer of gold and still clearly different from VT||

[tawdry mulch]

Landia EX also has his own crown appearance now taken from Kirby clash deluxe lmaooo

[leaden terrace]

its still wings

||its literally telling you that theyre wings. master crown has wings the entire time||

[vapid kestrel]

Well yea its not a tree Jp just uses the 'tree' kanji more loosely for plants in general

[vocal latch]

No, it's 100% wings

[novel fog]

ah, makes sense

[vocal latch]

||Even the Mistilteinn form has wings, but those are more angelic than batlike||

[spark lotus]

anyway ye this is funny (sorry you're kinda getting buried right now lol)

like ||I can see where they're coming from with the alternate timeline stuff honestly, like theme park magolor is mainline magolor gone to another world - this would be leaving out all the time travel stuff, which is somewhat vaguely unbelievable (seems pretty normal to me though.)||

[coarse flower]

Not to me it isn’t ||and it’s still way different from VT’s||

[vapid kestrel]

Crown's 'default' appearance on merged landia vs the appearance on split landia

[vocal latch]

????

[leaden terrace]

||its still wings... of course the wings are sprouting out in VT's but theyre totally different shapes so who cares. it's still master crown. it's got wings, so did magolor's||

[vocal latch]

How are these not wings

[floral mantle]

||I mean, Magolor Time Traveling is fine, it's not like he time travel to Kirby Super star to take betrayal off the menu.||

[coarse flower]

Ok but that’s an ||emblem of wings not actual ones||

[junior fiber]

but...

[odd rover]

Huh I never noticed

[vapid kestrel]

Ok and?

[spark lotus]

this is so weird, I'm assuming that's merged Landia on the left with the four talons, but in the cutscene it keeps that model despite Landia being unmerged

[leaden terrace]

BUT THEYRE WINGS

[coarse flower]

That’s an ||emblem of wings||

[junior fiber]

they're wings lmao

[vapid kestrel]

The point is they're wings, etching or physically modeled regardless

[leaden terrace]

YEAH

basically

it literally doesnt matter, they share the same traits

[vapid kestrel]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1077968255232254092/1084154759075868692/ryujinx_capture_2023-03-11_11-43-28.png

Here's a closer look I took yesterday

[leaden terrace]

thats as simple as it can get

[vocal latch]

Plus both the VT Wings & Magolor Wings are batlike

[coarse flower]

The point is that ||it’s NOT THE SAME AS VOID TERMINAS AFTER ALL||

[spark lotus]

yeah currently I believe ||Themepark Magolor (and his themepark) is from the future, like they somehow got there from time travelling or rift stuff||

[austere willow]

so like

[leaden terrace]

it doesnt have to be the same

it really doesnt

[spark lotus]

they're hardly different.

[leaden terrace]

master crown changes like all the time

[austere willow]

since Magolor's not Halcandran why is he head to toe in Gear motif. is it Halcandra culture or something

[floral mantle]

It does say in the ||Magoland Intro||

[leaden terrace]

nerd

[coarse flower]

It did, that was the entire darn argument

[spark lotus]

besides the ||wings there are so many other things that are the same, the talons, the eyes, the fact it's a crown||

[junior fiber]

my reaction to this discussion

[austere willow]

like were halcandrans REALLY INTO GEARS for some reason

[vapid kestrel]

The Master Crown has like seven different appearances in RtDL Dx who cares if the Void Termina crown is not exactly the same its literally more similar than the different versions of the crown within RtDL itself look

[leaden terrace]

LITERALLY

[coarse flower]

Lemme teach you simple machines

[floral mantle]

Magolor is a ||Halcandra weeb?||

[spark lotus]

well, ||it says it's a different place and time, at least in the english localization. and the mask souvenir Dees say they traveled to the main story from a distant world or so. I guess different time can only really imply it's the future, but "different world" is a little strange||

[leaden terrace]

theyre keeping it vague i guess

NNNNONONO ok

[floral mantle]

Maybe|| its from Clash?||

[junior fiber]

he wears hyness merch

[peak dagger]

A lot of it just feels like "don't think about it too hard" to me

[coarse flower]

Because ||VT’s being different proves he didn’t create it and that it’s also not the original||

[floral mantle]

Watch they make a Kirby Party game with ||Magoland Lore|| somehow

[leaden terrace]

||But it still proves they're related so why does that even matter||

[vapid kestrel]

No one was saying it was the original

[coarse flower]

Hyness was jambandran

[floral mantle]

Imagine Kirby Lore in a Kirby Party Game

[spark lotus]

I don't know how I feel about the idea that ||the main story of deluxe is completely the story/timeline of RTDL, like anything that happened in deluxe basically retcons whatever contradicts in the original||

[vapid kestrel]

The Crown literally shatters in RtDL why would VT have the original crown

[junior fiber]

the one he had is probably just a copy based off memory

thats just what i think

[coarse flower]

Because people always assume what I just said I was arguing against

[vocal latch]

I don't like the memory idea because it's purely based on Dark Matter Clone, which is from a game all about computer memory and shit

[vapid kestrel]

So basically you made up an argument we were not saying

Cool

[floral mantle]

Can't wait for them to announce a Merry Magoland Party game spin off with Lore inside the said game

[spark lotus]

very true. I was thinking that earlier, they just want to do mask lore drops and reference their other more recent games without destroying canon haha (and then they forget ||to remove magoland from the background of nutty noon, but that's generally kind of meh to writeoff, yknow?)||

[coarse flower]

That’s my theory tbf

[coarse flower]

True. But I’ve seen it so many times back in the day

[austere willow]

random but do you guys know if the little metal square thing from reg magolor is still there on Manager Magolor https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/kirby-fan-fiction/images/e/e0/Manager_Magolor_KRtDLD.png/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/250?cb=20230120091318

the

[broken rune]

it is

[coarse flower]

Well didn’t kumazaki confirm it in miiverse

[junior fiber]

yeah you can still see it a little

[leaden terrace]

u can see it

[junior fiber]

barely

[austere willow]

oh

[vocal latch]

Miiverse wasn't a thing anymore when Star Allies came out

[vapid kestrel]

It is

[vocal latch]

Dark Matter Clone having rainbow sword data in its memories is purely because KPR lore is all about "Heheheheh memories"

[coarse flower]

This franchise had Mario in dedede’s arena (super star) so this isn’t a big deal

[vapid kestrel]

OH
Dammit how did I not realize that

[spark lotus]

that's just fanservice-y references though, no lore drops there

[coarse flower]

I meant DMC

[vocal latch]

yea

[leaden terrace]

One more thing
||Master Crown - can summon super abilities including ultra swords
Void Termina - can summon big swords, through Master Crown-like joints
Gee I wonder what this could mean you guys||

[coarse flower]

Or it was a power dark matter had, kumazaki said this

[vocal latch]

Yeah, but my point was that applies to him alone.

[floral mantle]

Sometimes I wonder if we looked too hard

[spark lotus]

but yeah it might by ||clasholor, who's also the one we follow in the epilogue? this is supported by the fact Landia (with the Master Crown which is supposed to be shattered) shows up in Magoland after you defeat Landia in the story mode. interestingly, I believe Clasholor is actually the Magolor from Deluxe's EX mode, because the soul cutscene we see is only seen in the EX mode's boss fight (and not the True Arena.)||

[coarse flower]

Magolor had ||the super abilities because Kirby used them against him||

[junior fiber]

🤯

[leaden terrace]

where did you even get the ide athat ||MC copies people|| now

[floral mantle]

||Clash Magolor is the same Magolor from OG RTDL|| tho

[leaden terrace]

we have no evidence of that

[austere willow]

WAIT

TIHS MADE ME REALIZE

[coarse flower]

No it was ||magolor himself doing the copying, he does it again against the crown||

[odd rover]

Huh

[austere willow]

WHAT IF THE WHOLE CONTENTION ABOUT THIS STUPID IS LINE

[novel fog]

||note the Void Termina swords are specifically supposed to be like Ultra Sword too (note the similar blade) lol||

[austere willow]

iS THAT MAGOLOR IS NARRATING IT

[spark lotus]

Kirby copied the ||Super Abilities, and Magolor also uses Super Abilities. I don't think you copy someone who copied someone, you just copy the original person||

[vocal latch]

do we have the JP

to see if it's his speech pattern

[spark lotus]

oh yeah he talks about Pop Star being a distant world on the twitter promotions, right?

[austere willow]

EXACTLY

[novel fog]

really this line has like TKCD vibes to me

[austere willow]

ALSO THAT

[novel fog]

it isn't

[coarse flower]

It still said rainbow sword was in dark matters dna

So it did remember

[vocal latch]

When did I say it didn't

I literally said it was in its memory

[spark lotus]

are you about to say that the "distant world" stuff is framing

[vocal latch]

SAME

[leaden terrace]

||Tree crown shares that laser barrage move with Void Termina, in which uses MASTER CROWN. So Master Crown could've had abilities of its onw, including that AND the super abilities||

[spark lotus]

and ye someone said earlier that the point was it's like the only evidence..?

[leaden terrace]

||Also, I think Magolor would've known how to do the other Super Abilities too...||

[spark lotus]

||question is where do the Super Abilities in the main story come from. Unlike in the original they explicitly come in from star shaped portals, but why? it's kinda weird.||

[leaden terrace]

🤷 i dont think we rly know that

they kinda kept it mysterious

[spark lotus]

||reminds me of how you can see Magolor's rune in the texture of the Other Dimension tiles||

[junior fiber]

AD shenanigans probably

[leaden terrace]

unless im gonna be proven wrong on that again

[spark lotus]

..in Star Allies that is

[coarse flower]

In ||its own boss form it never uses the super abilities. Heck it uses the Marx brambles but not the super abilities||

[vocal latch]

||I genuinely had a mandela effect before this remake came out that they came from AD portals, only to learn the novel first mentioned this idea and it's not in the OG game at all lmfao||

[spark lotus]

uh oh.. that seems pretty accurate..

[junior fiber]

ah so it is AD stuff

perhaps they come from a dimension where everyone is stronger

[leaden terrace]

||honestly i cant tell if thats just to keep the boss fight fresh. i wouldnt want to account EVERYTHING in the boss fight||

||the point is that it can do THAT, and it can do THAT. ||

...

oh wait yeah

||Magolor phase 2 has the eye roll down whenever he uses a super ability when usually its missing||

[tawdry mulch]

Maybe super abilities are like an enhanced version of the copy ability evolutions using ancient magic hermmmm

[leaden terrace]

so... is that good enough evidence?

[austere willow]

i tink Super Abilities are what makes the Magologue Bosses powered-up and elemental

like AD is a lot of things

[spark lotus]

the ||lor's parts also buff the bosses||

[leaden terrace]

yeah

[junior fiber]

[austere willow]

and part of it is just energy somehow

[spark lotus]

at least in ||Puffer's pause description||

[austere willow]

that reminds me

so like

[spark lotus]

I think the ||Super Abilities come from the Energy Spheres||

[austere willow]

Did the Energy Spheres get eaten by the Doomers after the Lor crashed

its been said that "by the help of a super ability" you entered Another Dimension

[spark lotus]

because they always show up before you ||use the Super Ability to uncover a rift leading to two of them, and the star shaped portal is the same||

[novel fog]

||well the enemies come from another dimension at least yeah||

[austere willow]

so the reason you would want to even like

open a way into AD

is because the energy spheres were already there, therefore taken and eaten by the Doomers

right(?)

[spark lotus]

I think it's possible that ||it's really just buffing one of the normal enemies, Blade for Ultra Sword, Chilly for Snow Bowl, etc||

[tawdry mulch]

Spheres created the portals when they crash landed and Doomers said "oh shit yummy"

Super abilities opened up the pathways to the sphere dimension

[spark lotus]

thinking the ||energy spheres (and the Lor in general) are what opened all the rifts (and caused Magoland to time travel)||

[leaden terrace]

nom nom nom

[austere willow]

i dont think the Energy Spheres do anything on their own

like

think about it

the times you get it from AD are only because they got eaten

[junior fiber]

they're probably spheres with energy

[spark lotus]

also

[austere willow]

ya but thats not really saying anything

"its energy" everythings energy in this goddamn series

[spark lotus]

iirc ||The doomers in their pause descriptions lost the ability to do dimensional travel on their own, so that's why they seek out things like the energy spheres?||

[floral mantle]

Magolor hates these things

[leaden terrace]

i think they just exist

as collectables

[spark lotus]

is there evidence for this im curious

[leaden terrace]

kumazaki said it

on an interview

[junior fiber]

boringg

[spark lotus]

oh right

hmmm

kinda contradicts the ||opening cutscene of magolor epilogue||

[austere willow]

it really doesnt

[austere willow]

Extra Mode doesnt change anything from the main plot

wait a fucking minute

Ah nevermind

[spark lotus]

so which one is canon 🤔

[austere willow]

its whichever whatever

[spark lotus]

or are we just supposed to write off the fact we see the ex mode cutscene

[odd rover]

||Magolor Soul||

[tawdry mulch]

It doesn't matter cause they're basically the same lol

[leaden terrace]

||ex mode isnt canon its just a gamemode, magolor soul is canon however||

[spark lotus]

||it happens in both modes||

[austere willow]

there's no problem with substituting either EX mode or Main Mode

BEcause its still the same damn plot

like what is there to Decanonize

[leaden terrace]

yeah

[austere willow]

HR D3?

thats it

[novel fog]

||which what? I mean Extra Mode Soul is main world at least||

[junior fiber]

kind of weird to think about an EX mode being the canon one though

[odd rover]

||It overrides Magolor Phase 2||

That’s literally it

[junior fiber]

but i've accepted it

[spark lotus]

||they use the ex mode cutscene though, so if it's not canon that'd mean clasholor isn't canon ||

[leaden terrace]

||its just magolor soul tho||

[austere willow]

interview says that it is though so regardless its still the same Magolor

[leaden terrace]

yeah

[austere willow]

and the "Magolor that we all know"

i think

as a fandom

we should stop trying to justify our headcanons by going through loops and olympics

[leaden terrace]

but dont love

[tawdry mulch]

The only difference between the cut scenes is Magolor Soul has thorns lmaoo

[austere willow]

And just say Headcanons

[spark lotus]

||It's not Magolor Soul from the main mode, it's the spiky one with the extra horns from Ex mode, and it's not even the one from True Arena because it has the part where Magolor goes into the light (lol)||

[spark lotus]

true though../

[austere willow]

I think that [x]. but thats just my headcanon. would be great

[peak dagger]

They also use soul form in the novel adaptation, for what it's worth

[novel fog]

||Magolor Soul isn't in the main mode||

[austere willow]

like idk

we are jumping through every hoop to go "but its Extra Mode" so what tho.

[odd rover]

I was just gonna say this

[spark lotus]

wait what???

[leaden terrace]

its just called magolor

[austere willow]

ya thats just "Magolor"

[leaden terrace]

||and magolor has always been going into the light, no matter what in og rtdl||

[pliant socket]

It's just called magolor lmao

[leaden terrace]

like literally why would it matter

they just confirmed how the battle went so alright cool

[pliant socket]

Magolor/Magolor Soul are basically interchangeable!!!!

[leaden terrace]

yeah that can work lol

cooler that way i think

[junior fiber]

soul is the one they acknowledge more anyway lol

[peak dagger]

RtDL is one of the few games where I really think it doesn't matter whether we're looking at story or extra mode. It's the same story. Just some of the bosses are harder and we get some different pause screens. It's just another look at the same story.

[spark lotus]

this is even weirder imo

[pliant socket]

"But they used magolor soul in the epilogue opening"

MY BROTHER IN CHRIST THEY ARE THE SAME BOSS 🗣️‼️‼️💯💯

[novel fog]

not really, they don't usually call different final boss forms different names (ingame)

[austere willow]

the point is that the events that happened only require 2 things: The Crown being hit by the Sword and then Later Shattering and Magolor ascending as Light

that is all that Magolor Epilogue needs to happen

[leaden terrace]

yeah

so basically the same thing and therefore what mode it takes place indoesnt matter

[pliant socket]

Very true, it doesn't matter since they basically cover the same exact story beats no matter how you cut it

[junior fiber]

rtdl canon is multiple choice

[spark lotus]

I feel like people are getting kind of aggressive about this suddenly 😅

[leaden terrace]

being as aggressive as i can i hope you can see the vileness behind my screen

[austere willow]

its the repeated conversations of this same topic nonstop

[odd rover]

Soul is the cooler design

[spark lotus]

I wasn't there for the other ones I guess, weird

[tawdry mulch]

Everything is canon the world is on fire Kirby is real

[leaden terrace]

ok so what if magolor took the crown and then suddenly gets teleported away huh huh

what can you do huh

[austere willow]

i wouldnt doubt that u werent there u have like

[leaden terrace]

WHAT Can you do i cut it

i cut it real hard

[austere willow]

the

[pliant socket]

i'll cut you......

[odd rover]

||In fact like long ago (way before FL came out hell KF2) I made a post on r/Kirby and the title was “Magolor Soul is the canon version. Fight me”||

[leaden terrace]

ILL CUT YOU!! IL CUTT ALL OF YOU ✂️

[junior fiber]

dont cut me

[odd rover]

I may be a prophet

[spark lotus]

with the whole ||"Room of Eden" thing and repentance stuff the soul part is kinda important, its weird bc I feel like in the original the red and blue magolor orb fight was still called "Magolor Soul," why would they change that.. and you can say we've moved on from the topic of the ex mode stuff, this is a weird change||

[austere willow]

no

it was not

[novel fog]

||no, main mode Magolor was always Magolor||

[austere willow]

it was not called "Soul" at all in the Main Mode

whatsoever

[leaden terrace]

yeah not a single instance calls it magolor soul

i think its just misinfo

[spark lotus]

anyway i wasn't expecting other people to have ||come to that conclusion honestly, like others have said it's one of those things that you wouldn't really notice or care about||

[leaden terrace]

becuase magolor soul is much more popular

[austere willow]

There was never soul

[vocal latch]

||TEAM KIRBY CLASH DELUXE/SUPER KIRBY CLASH:
これははるか昔、 ずっと遠い世界の物語...
This is a story from a long time ago, in a world far, far away...

MERRY MAGOLAND:
これは、 いつかの時代のどこかの世界のお話。
This is a story about some world in some time.

SOUVENIR-SHOP WADDLE DEE:
こちらは はるか とおくの世界にある…
(I'm) from a world far, far away...||

[leaden terrace]

its not like people cared about phase 2 magolor anyways so like

makes sense

[spark lotus]

dang lol

[craggy sable]

tbh Magolor Soul's design is a bit subtle at a glance

[leaden terrace]

(i mean i care :()

[junior fiber]

soul is cooler!!

[leaden terrace]

NOOOOOOOOOO-

[novel fog]

yeah, same goes for JP of course

[craggy sable]

Altho the fact we haven't gotten a unique name for the 3rd phase of Magolor is still... idk

[leaden terrace]

what 3rd phaes? huh?

[junior fiber]

what would it be

[leaden terrace]

wdym? huh?

[junior fiber]

magolor soul revenge?

[craggy sable]

or 2nd phase

[leaden terrace]

huh? i dont get u. huh?

[craggy sable]

idfk

[spark lotus]

that might be spoilers

[leaden terrace]

(/j)

[austere willow]

||There's still no 3rd phase even if ur talking about spoilers||

[craggy sable]

It's the 3rd phase because the first phase you fight the LOR

[austere willow]

||Magolor Soul TA does not have 2 phases with its 1st lifebar||

[leaden terrace]

ermm technically

ermmm

[craggy sable]

Listen Magolor was controlling the ship so we're technically fighting him then

[austere willow]

in any case i think the whole Magolor Soul thing is like

in the og development Soul was just this cool thing

[leaden terrace]

people see lor and magolor as like a different fight i think

so it doesnt rly count

[austere willow]

but then like 10 years later they were like

"Damn this concept SLAPS"

and canonized it

[leaden terrace]

yeah i think thats the case, considering they put a lot more effort in the phase 2 magolor design

and magolor soul seems just like "ok what if we make it spicier"

cus this is their 2nd time doing a soul extra boss

[craggy sable]

I must be confusing "phases" with "forms"?

[leaden terrace]

(marx soul was a major design change too)

[novel fog]

I prefer the normal phase 2 design in some ways but Soul is cooler yeah

[vocal latch]

My headcanon is he's the Story Mode design in his first health bar phase and Soul in the second

[leaden terrace]

sounds cool!

i like that

[spark lotus]

I never realized that souls weren't even canon by RTDL because of the whole "Magolor (not soul)" thing

[vocal latch]

I mean, you could argue he's still "Magolor Soul" just not by name, Traitor Magolor also isn't called that and just "Magolor" but yea

[leaden terrace]

honestly bless them this IS one of the best kirby designs imo

[vocal latch]

I like calling him Crowned Magolor

[leaden terrace]

like, super awesome design generally, and super cool color palette

[spark lotus]

like I knew most of the souls were arena only things and THOSE weren't canon but yknow I thought Magolor Soul was one of the few that were

but now I know it was a lie

[craggy sable]

Magolor?

"Magolor?"

[leaden terrace]

i mean ||magolor soul IS canon now so lol||

[spark lotus]

ye

[craggy sable]

I mean, EX mode ain't that different

You could say it's a...

||True Story!||

[spark lotus]

was that entirely for the pun

[austere willow]

Magolor Soul and Drawcia Soul are the only souls (with the word Soul in the english title, Chaos Elfilis may count due to a pun left in the original language) that appear in a Story Mode where Kirby is the Protagonist

[novel fog]

I mean, technically most of the Souls are canon (just most of them are in parallels and not main world)
like Magolor has a Marx Soul sticker in Super Clash and mask in Magoland at least

[leaden terrace]

SRSLY THO who told them that the black green slimy color would be the perfect fit ????

it couldve just been black and roll with it but NO THEY PICKED THE EVEN COOLER COLOR

[austere willow]

in any case that brings me to my headcanon

[leaden terrace]

WHO AT HAL DID THIS!!!

[spark lotus]

zombie moment

[leaden terrace]

I wanna thank them

[craggy sable]

Soul Forgo got slurped by morpho knight anyways

[junior fiber]

yummy

[austere willow]

if it stars Kirby as the playable character, and its a story mode, and it doesnt conflict with anything prior. it is canon

[vocal latch]

#MarxSoulCanonSupremacy

[austere willow]

idk why some people consider Canvas Curse non-canon

[novel fog]

lol do people really

[spark lotus]

or other spinoffs like Epic Yarn

[leaden terrace]

oh yeahhh right marx souls literally the only one

😭

[craggy sable]

spinoff

[spark lotus]

I mean

I dunno what a spinoff really is

[vocal latch]

only what

[spark lotus]

a game where Kirby doesn't play like Kirby? maybe?

[novel fog]

like it is pretty obvious that Canvas Curse is canon
like Paintra and Vividria exists

[main fractal]

Spinoffs have no reason to be non canon

[leaden terrace]

soul mask iirc

[austere willow]

Puss in Boots is a spinoff, but its still shrek universe

like

a spinoff isnt an AU

a spinoff is not like the mainlines

[odd rover]

A piece of media that diverges from the main media

[craggy sable]

Just cause CC was a spinoff and we'd assume that those won't contribute to the actual canon like the other Kirby spinoffs

[main fractal]

I don't think Dream Course being canon will destroy anything

[leaden terrace]

a spin-off can just be different gameplay

[odd rover]

The universe will implode actually

[leaden terrace]

story is harder to determine

[tawdry mulch]

Dream course will destroy the Kirby canon

[main fractal]

Oh

[craggy sable]

Until Triple Deluxe and Star Allies started having whole bosses related to this final boss from a touch screen game

[leaden terrace]

Do NOT let Keeby be canon

[spark lotus]

would guess people see canvas curse and go "AU where everything is clay" because there are clay mechanics and stuff, same thing with Epic Yarn although if you look deeper normal Kirby literally gets turned into yarn and goes to a yarn world and other things become yarn temporarily

[vocal latch]

OH that, yea

[austere willow]

canvas curse is the DS game

[junior fiber]

blasphemy

[vocal latch]

Too late.

[leaden terrace]

NO... NO... NOOOOOOO

[craggy sable]

Totally not like a Kumazaki Bias moment or anything

[austere willow]

Rainbow Curse, the clay game, doesnt even like say anything's made out of clay the assumption is that they just took the colors

[spark lotus]

though if Canvas Curse is canon that implies things about the power of color/rainbows - like they already have power in general, like the Rainbow Sword and the Rainbow Medals and it's everywhere really -

• the fact paintings can come to life

[leaden terrace]

i think drawcia soul's moves r just rly cool

thats prob why they kepe using it lol

[craggy sable]

Ball

This is Ball's revenge

[novel fog]

I mean, even before then bosses were using attacks Drawcia originally used lol

[tawdry mulch]

Still don't think the masks are indicative of canon. Theyre in the same boat as stickers and keychains for me

[novel fog]

well Magolor made them himself so

[austere willow]

WAIT

[leaden terrace]

idk they probably arent too important but the selection is weird something tells me smths going on

[fleet osprey]

masks aren't canon

[austere willow]

WHAT IF MAGOLOR MADE KEYCHAINS AND STICKERS

[tawdry mulch]

I feel like if they were meant to signify alternate fucking universes Magolor would have said something about it lmao

[vocal latch]

What if Magolor retroact-

SAME BRAIN

[spark lotus]

tbh the masks are the only reason I could see for why they bothered with saying Magoland is a different place and time

[austere willow]

what if EVERY SINGLE COLLECTIBLE ITEM

[vocal latch]

SAME BRAIN

[austere willow]

IS MAGOLORS DOING

[leaden terrace]

Oh he DID give you some of those didnt he

[vocal latch]

AAAAAAAAAA

[tawdry mulch]

Deep keychain lore

[austere willow]

HE'D LITERALLY BE THE PERFECT CANDIDATE

[spark lotus]

they reference old Sectonia which is the first time we (officially) see her in full color

[austere willow]

HES AN INTERDIMENSIONAL TRAVELER

[vocal latch]

He made the Enemy Info Cards in K64 all along

[leaden terrace]

Dude

Oh my god

[vapid kestrel]

NO WAY

[craggy sable]

Magolor would never make merchandise off his lowest point in his life

[vapid kestrel]

MAGOLOR MADE THE SUS STONES

[leaden terrace]

TRUE

[tawdry mulch]

So real

[austere willow]

real

[spark lotus]

they also drop some details about the Dark Mirror which is my personal favorite

[fleet osprey]

did magolor make the mass attack medals

[novel fog]

it does have the Master Crown gem lmao

[leaden terrace]

He knew about Leongar so he mustve been inspired by his soul

[tawdry mulch]

Yes

[junior fiber]

necrodeus erasure 😔

[craggy sable]

Magolor MADE Mass attack

[spark lotus]

hmmmm

[fleet osprey]

yeeeeah i dont wanna play with you anymore

[austere willow]

me when im referring to the Keychains and Stickers and not the Sus Stones Codes Cube and Whatever

[spark lotus]

would be nice to have an origin for those

like why do they have Kirby's face. Void???

[fleet osprey]

void made mass attack

[craggy sable]

Null

[spark lotus]

/j

[tawdry mulch]

Void mass attack real

[austere willow]

you say that like Kirby;'s face is an uncommin face

[junior fiber]

the real question is who made the FL figurines

[spark lotus]

..true

[fleet osprey]

I did

[austere willow]

the Waddle Dees presumably

[spark lotus]

Kirby's species is the ancient's race

[novel fog]

how did they figure out what Chaos Elfilis looks like smh

[craggy sable]

Which Waddle Dee Greg

[junior fiber]

thank you for your service strimp

[austere willow]

planted a camera on elfilin's fur

[vocal latch]

Magolor: "Bravo, Kirby. Bravo. You've truly earned your reputation as a hero... ah, it is time for me to reveal my greatest secret; every collectible you've chased? They were MY creation, MY idea, MY money you were spending, with all those Play Coins, Gem Apples and Star Coins, I can realize my plans of universal conquering with capital! And for being such a big help in all of this, your planet and every parallel version will be the first to witness my true management!"

[leaden terrace]

LOL

LOL

[tawdry mulch]

The deepest loee

[spark lotus]

Magolor probably met everyone in the future since he's already time travelling

[tawdry mulch]

Magolor made the green greens banner in that one level in triple deluxe

[fleet osprey]

LOL

[leaden terrace]

MAYBE HE DID IT JUST TO MAX OUT THE FUN KIRBY WOULD HAVE...

[vapid kestrel]

I mean Chaos Elfilis is literally just Fecto Elfilis, who they have seen, in different colors they could've just asked Kirby

[junior fiber]

bro planned everything

[austere willow]

REAL

REAL

[vocal latch]

TRUEEE

[leaden terrace]

"Kirby! You fought Elfilis?! Did he look any different?"
"haiiii bwabwah"

[novel fog]

well they would of have to have made it before they beat him lol

[spark lotus]

8-bit kirby stone transformation statue canon

[vocal latch]

Every fucking reference at this point is fucking Magolor all along ohmahgah

[tawdry mulch]

Psychic waddle dees????

[junior fiber]

if a future kirby spin off takes place in another universe they better make it the same magolor that'd be really funny

[covert jasper]

[leaden terrace]

How are we suddenly going to this conclusion after RTDLDX

[tawdry mulch]

This will be Kirby lore in 2033

[vapid kestrel]

Magolor actually designed all the levels too

[leaden terrace]

Before RTDLDX:
Oh he's just a silly man who gets himself in silly antics
After RTDLDX:
HES HERE, HES THERE, HES EVERYWHERE

[tawdry mulch]

||Clash is canon therefore every thing is canon smhhh||

[vocal latch]

||Manager Magolor casually implying he may have time traveled to the past to fucking witness Kirby eat 30 eggs which Dedede threw is funny AF||

[fleet osprey]

magolor made this

[vapid kestrel]

Every puzzle that's randomly in a forest for no fucking reason?
Magolor put them there

[junior fiber]

you mean he designed that one cutter puzzle

[spark lotus]

he really is though. the painting in triple deluxe

[tawdry mulch]

hpl6 shi

[craggy sable]

"I saw the rise and fall of civilizations"

"I've seen families destroyed by the forces of bad luck"

"I know who she used to be"

"But that won't stop me from merchandising it all"

[peak dagger]

Every Magolor ever needs to be the same one imo.

[spark lotus]

it's no wonder nintendo's constantly giving him cameos and leaving other characters to rot. it was foreshadowing

[junior fiber]

fr

[austere willow]

MAGOLOR IS THE LEVEL DESIGNER

[junior fiber]

dreamy gear AU game but its the same magolor

kirby rpg AU but its the main verse magolor

[austere willow]

ACTUALLY THAT MAKES SENSE HE MADE THE CHALLENGE STAGES

HES LITERALLY THE DEVS

[leaden terrace]

Oh

[vapid kestrel]

Magolor visited our rreality, that's why he wrote about Obama in Dream Collection

[leaden terrace]

my fucking god

[spark lotus]

haha magolor went back in time to try taking over the world again and that's how EX mode was born /j

[tawdry mulch]

That's why he's making all those parks its mini games to build up making a real game

[craggy sable]

Magolor is a time traveler

[junior fiber]

was this the vacation home he bought

[covert jasper]

WHAT

wait I see now

[vapid kestrel]

: Magolor who is Obama
: There are many mysteries I know and many more I do not. For example, what is Obama's last name?

[covert jasper]

kumazaki's plan all along was to slowly reveal that magolor is the mastermind behind every kirby game

[austere willow]

did we ever get a rip of that Magolor and Taranza painting texture

[spark lotus]

the funny thing is he mustve taken inspiration from ||the stages the altar made/summoned rifts to for him||

[vapid kestrel]

They're low quality af

[austere willow]

THE ANCIENTS ARE THE DEVS

[fleet osprey]

OH MY GOD

[vocal latch]

Dedede's nightmares before Adventure were actually Magolor just hiding as the monster under Dedede's bed

[leaden terrace]

Magolor suggested Dedede to steal food

[tawdry mulch]

Toby Fox can eat his heart out HAL is going super meta

[fleet osprey]

"hey what happened to the star rod?"
magolor with a star rod shaped nose: "idk"

[vocal latch]

Magolor told Taranza that he encountered this awesome penguin hero from the lower world and gave him a cool mirror

[leaden terrace]

Magolor told Marx to trick Kirby so he can rule Pop Star and also trick Marx so he can also rule Pop Star

[spark lotus]

every hal room ever

[leaden terrace]

(Marx died too early)

[peak dagger]

The only theory of this nature I actually like

[junior fiber]

wait for the reveal of the level end door lore

[vapid kestrel]

Magolor actually caused his own birth in a time loop

[vocal latch]

Magolor made a ritual to revive Zero for jokes

[craggy sable]

Magolor created Marx that's why he just showed up all of a sudden

[leaden terrace]

Magolor drew the dark matter to Pop Star in the first place

[vocal latch]

(Magolor made fun of Dark Matter for having no friends)

[vapid kestrel]

Magolor was the one who created the breeze that blew Kirby to Dream Land

[leaden terrace]

Magolor brought life to Drawcia's painting

[tawdry mulch]

Magolor Fan magic

[junior fiber]

Magolor fucked up Hyness' ritual

[vapid kestrel]

Just like in his boss fight when you use Snow Bowl

[spark lotus]

Magolor is the painter 😂

[thin forge]

what about star allies

what did bro do

[leaden terrace]

Magolor was the one that got Galacta Knight sealed

[spark lotus]

Drawcia, Paintra, Vividria, he made them because he was lonely /j

[craggy sable]

Magolor attempted to take over a fairy planet because he felt like it

[vapid kestrel]

Magolor is the one who made Meta Knight dress exactly like Galacta Knight

[junior fiber]

28 million retweets

[peak dagger]

He created the Dream Rod that summons friends

[lofty condor]

He gave Hyness the instructions of how to summon Void Termina. Problem is he was scammed with fake instructions and ended up botching the ritual

[granite cedar]

https://twitter.com/Dededaio/status/1634977360218050561?t=aSp4sGxWDsRnSjq5wHkb9w&s=19

Klu 🐧 (@Dededaio)

I bested my previous true arena runs WITHOUT souvenir items 😎😎😎

Twitter · Mar 12, 2023, 5:59 PM

[tawdry mulch]

Magolor met a Kirby from a destroyed universe and told him to take revenge on the s ancients so he became Galacta Knight

[junior fiber]

REAL

[granite cedar]

I am finally true gamer

[leaden terrace]

WOOOOOOOOO

[craggy sable]

Dedede truly is too powerful

[austere willow]

EPIC WIN

[vapid kestrel]

Magolor is the one who created Kirby fans

[austere willow]

also hi klu

[novel fog]

I mean, the simple theater credits theme in Forgotten Land is called 'From Those Who Departed for Space' lol

[lofty condor]

https://tenor.com/view/w-loop-gif-11231459

[leaden terrace]

Magolor's the one that convinced Kumazaki to insert him in the games

[austere willow]

here you go Klu

[craggy sable]

Magolor is the judge, jury, and executioner

[leaden terrace]

TRUE

[vapid kestrel]

Magolor is the one who told HAL to hire Kumazaki

[austere willow]

real

[junior fiber]

dont even

[vocal latch]

It's an entire ass video I found

in Japanese

about how Sakurai is actually Magolor

[leaden terrace]

JFLHKAWDP:AWUDWAD

[thin forge]

ok how about forgotten land

[granite cedar]

BRO.... 😭

[novel fog]

lol yeah I heard about that lmao

[craggy sable]

Sakurai's revenge

[vapid kestrel]

Magolor is the one who made Forgotten Land 3D

[austere willow]

Magolor is definitely a character that just represents the devs in a cosmic way

[thin forge]

NOOOOOO

[austere willow]

tbh

and i love him for it

[vocal latch]

https://youtu.be/GyBsplVqXgg

[junior fiber]

magolor is kumazaki self insert

[granite cedar]

Nah thats Dedede

[craggy sable]

Magolor was the one who gave susie the job

[granite cedar]

And Drawcia

[spark lotus]

"by the way, let me just destroy this misconception the fandom had forever ||I'm not actually from Halcandra||"

[covert jasper]

WHAT

[granite cedar]

Magolor is the devil on Kumazaki's shoulder

[leaden terrace]

OMG ITS

ITS 4 MINS LONG

[novel fog]

Magolor feels like everything really lol

[vapid kestrel]

Magolor is the one who gave Dark Matter Blade and Drawcia those cloaks with the funny pattern on the edges

[leaden terrace]

5 minutes long actually

[spark lotus]

Magolor is an isekai protagonist

[austere willow]

i mean

he literally is

[granite cedar]

Wait is that video theorizes Magolor is some sort of analogy for Sakurai???

[austere willow]

twice over

[vapid kestrel]

He was selling them at an amusement park and Dark Matter Blade and Drawcia both bought one

[leaden terrace]

YEAH

[spark lotus]

it really feels like it with how he probably learned his runes from Another Dimension's tiles

[vocal latch]

I think Sakurai is just Magolor in disguise

[granite cedar]

What are the arguments im genuinely interested

[spark lotus]

I didn't even realize how accurate the statement was

Susie technically got isekaid a few times too

[austere willow]

hiii klu

[novel fog]

yeah
it is mostly supposed to be jokey video though lol

[leaden terrace]

LOL IT

[austere willow]

we're talking about how Magolor is the secret force behind everything

[leaden terrace]

IT USED SAKURAI'S TRICK WITH ZERO SUIT SAMUS COMING TO SMASH ULTIMATE

[junior fiber]

how did this topic even begin

[covert jasper]

next you will tell me kumazaki is void

[austere willow]

So like someone was like "Magolor made the masks its in this artwork"

and i was like

[peak dagger]

Klu coming in to the madness with actually relevant arena scores and everyone is just shitposting

[vapid kestrel]

Magolor is the one that wrote Star Dream's blueprints

[austere willow]

"MAGOLOR MADE THE KEYCHAINS AND STICKERS FROM THE 3DS GAMES"

[junior fiber]

you say this like he isnt

[austere willow]

and it spiralled into saying Magolor's behind everything

[craggy sable]

Magolor wanted to expand his workforce so he caused the dimensional rifts

[novel fog]

I'm sure someone will make a theory about that eventually lol

[vocal latch]

We've said this a few times in either this chat or OG RTDX chat lol

[craggy sable]

(Parallel Susie was the only suitable employee)

[vocal latch]

Tbh

Magolor truly is everywhere

[thin forge]

its obvious kumazaki is kawasaki because hes cookin fr

[junior fiber]

its strange what the fanbase has turned magolor into lol

[granite cedar]

magolor is the one that forced rtdl gang come together to form a stable time loop where he gets rescued by them and gets redemption arc so he can stay alive in the present

[leaden terrace]

more like what HAL has turned magolor into

[covert jasper]

this implies magolor knows about HAL.

[junior fiber]

both

[leaden terrace]

OMG

[craggy sable]

Is Magolor a friend? foe? the lord and saviour? No

[austere willow]

Why else do you think Magolor's an Egg. Gigi

[craggy sable]

He is Magolor

[austere willow]

Magolor is the dream Hatched

[covert jasper]

OMG

[granite cedar]

i mean. magolor might just know about Holive, Alivel and Lightron

[novel fog]

I mean, doesn't he have like HAL boxes in Clash lol

[covert jasper]

[peak dagger]

Don't forget we get to visit HALcandra

[craggy sable]

(Halcandra sucked)

[peak dagger]

Indeed

[granite cedar]

me when the secret behind kirby lore is that HAL is behind everything

[junior fiber]

HALtmann works company

[granite cedar]

(big shocker?????????????)

[vocal latch]

||They really should've called Locandra "Labcandra"||

[craggy sable]

(Haltmann works co. sucked)

[junior fiber]

||i dont even know what Locandra means||

[covert jasper]

wait does this mean magolor that drew the doodles

[granite cedar]

too on the nose tbh

[vocal latch]

that is very true

but it'd be funny as fuck

[covert jasper]

did magolor draw these.

[leaden terrace]

Balcandra

EZ

[austere willow]

Yes

I think Magolor would

[craggy sable]

There's no Manga Magolor

[junior fiber]

the dedede one goes hard

[covert jasper]

magolor draws well

[granite cedar]

Magolor when he actually draws respectable doodles of his friends (And Bonkers with Kracko for some reason)

[vocal latch]

Wait the best thing is, Magolor legit theoretically made stickers for a fucking Invader Armor for ??? reason

[austere willow]

"Hey Kirby can i see your doodles m not gonna turn them into stickers i swear"

[covert jasper]

LOL

[granite cedar]

Me when Robobot Deluxe drops

[leaden terrace]

ejfKJFLAJDAd

[junior fiber]

all for profit

[granite cedar]

and HAL canonizes that he's behind stickers

[covert jasper]

KUMAZAKI WOULD DO IT THAT IS THE THING

[granite cedar]

except doodle stickers

those are Kirby's

[covert jasper]

good

[vocal latch]

Those Play Coins will help him for his secret plan!

[junior fiber]

he'd find such a dumb roundabout way to make this real tbh

[granite cedar]

okay but.

oh my god.

are they really doing this. hear me out

what if they are gonna justify subgames in 3ds duology as Magolor's theme parks.

[leaden terrace]

oh my fucking god

[craggy sable]

Magolor invades Dedede's dreams

[granite cedar]

drum dash IS literally already canonically there too

[junior fiber]

magolor is their golden child 😭 bro refuses to become irrelevant like the rest

[novel fog]

I mean, Drum Dash is a thing so they could do it

[peak dagger]

They already started with Drum Dash tbf

[craggy sable]

And makes him play intense rhyrhm games

[spark lotus]

Nightmare Wizard moment

[granite cedar]

with drum dash they were being careful

[spark lotus]

Prince Fluff my beloved

[granite cedar]

but now they can go all out

[novel fog]

and Team Kirby Clash is fitting for him
3D Rumble is also like challenge stages I suppose

[granite cedar]

yup

and kirby fighters can work as his take on arena i guess

imagine

commentator magolor

[leaden terrace]

oh my god

[austere willow]

YASSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

[novel fog]

omg I would love it

[cursive sandal]

Magolor appearing in every single modern Kirby game except forgotten land in some form