[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

[faint glen]

they really dont touch on meta knights flaws a lot

[junior fiber]

he's a little battle hungry

[faint glen]

well aside from not saying shit and instead acting on his own behalf (cough squeak squad)
so i guess dmk being quiet af is accurate

[main fractal]

Dark Meta Knight is probably romk MK if he never changed

[rustic trellis]

DMK doenst care unless you step into his turf

then its fair game

[odd rover]

You think Meta Knight fantasizes about getting into fights?

[main fractal]

He dreams of it

[rustic trellis]

Not all the time, but sometimes

[faint glen]

i mean he has at least once

[junior fiber]

what would happen if void looked into the mirror lmao

it shatters

[odd rover]

Mirror Void.

[fleet prism]

*It's just you, Void

[main fractal]

Voids a vampire?

[rustic trellis]

DMK on his way to clobber Phantom Gorimondo for the 30th time

[odd rover]

Shinya Kumazaki appears actually

[junior fiber]

real

[faint glen]

i mean if meta knight was mad that dream land was too lazy
and mirror world is all everyones bad attributes
then dmk must be in hysterics at all times lmao

[main fractal]

Why would I do that

[faint glen]

just silently

[fleet prism]

DMK is to Meta Knight what Memphis Tennessee is to Shadow the Hedgehog

[rustic trellis]

Void looks in a mirror, and he sees a mirror, which through it he sees a mirror, which he can see a mirror inside, which houses a mirror, which a mirror is visible from within...

[main fractal]

Maybe Dark Meta Knight was the nice guy who lost patience

[hexed vault]

if you guys are just discussing general kirby stuff it can go in #kirby-kingdom

[odd rover]

True

[faint glen]

true i guess the convo did kinda migrate

[fleet prism]

this is actually all epilogue spoilers all of those characters show up in the very real epilogue

[faint glen]

god i wish

well not all tbf

[hexed vault]

😳 no way I'm in here way too early then

[rustic trellis]

Wait you guys didnt play the second epilogue?

[main fractal]

The final story where DMK kills Kirby was something

[rustic trellis]

smh go back and plainum rank the true arena

[hexed vault]

[faint glen]

||technically skc is the magolor epilogue epilogue||

[fleet prism]

after you beat the true arena Dark Meta Knight shows up and teases Kirby and the Amazing Mirror 2

[faint glen]

||and star allies is the magolor epilogue epilogue epilogue||

[odd rover]

Anyway I can’t wait for the final Kirby game where Shinya Kumazaki is the final boss

[main fractal]

Shinya Kumazaki and Sakurai fuse as one

[vapid kestrel]

Help

[main fractal]

The bandana warrior stamps upon the great earth

[fleet prism]

Me when the bandana wearer kicks in

[ruby narwhal]

Shimomura as secret ta exclusive boss

[odd rover]

True

[faint glen]

wait pink devil > pink hero?
*insert funny "reverse american kirby" joke here*

though i wouldnt be surprised if they literally had to change that line because devil mention in the west

[vapid kestrel]

It's been a thing since SS but until Planet Robobot they always localized it out

#kirby-kingdom message

[thin prairie]

Baro#8858 - #kirby-kingdom

Kirby has been called the「ピンクの悪魔」(pinku no akuma) "Pink Demon" since Kirby Super Star. However, the localization varied.
In Kirby Super Star it was localized as "Pink Wonder", in Kirby Super Star Ultra it was localized as "pink terror", in Kirby: Triple Deluxe & Super Smash Bros. for Wii U & 3DS it was "Pink Puffball", and Kirby: Planet Robobot onwards it was consistently translated as "Pink Demon".

Quoted by Sacred Faerie#9691 • [352190357880045579] · Feb 24, 2023, 4:42 AM

[faint glen]

ah interesting

[rustic trellis]

and then we americans retconned it into hero

sad

[vapid kestrel]

I think the translation here is unedited from the original Wii one

Yep

[rustic trellis]

why am i getting deja vu

we have talked about this before havent we

[vapid kestrel]

Yea Kirby's title is a semi-common conversation topic in this server

[ruby narwhal]

“When the bandana-wearer kicks” ah yes, bandees signature weapon, kicking

[junior fiber]

i wanna see a future villain call him that

[junior fiber]

his kicks are so strong he can kick on the air to fly

[odd rover]

Bandee knows 15 types of martial arts

[vapid kestrel]

So like actually, has this title ever been used outside of a boss rush-related text

[ocean mauve]

you know it would be clever if we got a set of antagonists that villify kirby (kinda like beast pack with the wanted posters) and refer to him as the Pink Demon

[feral wind]

Hey this kinda joke is kinda :(

[junior fiber]

if only leongar called him that i would've died

if the kirby rpg villain doesnt call him that i will die (in a bad way)

[rustic trellis]

Maybe kirby goes collecting the legendary mcguffin and the villain group goes "hold up this pink demons gonna use this for evil purposes, we gotta stop em"

[junior fiber]

i'd like someone to call him that as a sign of respect but this works too

[faint glen]

theyve never really bothered to do anything with kirby's possible faults since adventure/nidl lol
well and squeak squad too i guess but no one seemed to like that they did that there so
its a lot more just "i wouldve gotten away with it too if it werent for you meddling puffball"
but maybe thats by design i guess, they just want kirby to be this source of happiness that contrasts with the new chars they develop

you could argue gullibleness in rtdl but uh
so did literally everyone else including meta knight so

[proper spindle]

Just beat Magolor epilouge

[junior fiber]

novel kirby def has faults lol

[proper spindle]

Holy shit

[main fractal]

Mwta Knight got tricked by an egg

💀

[faint glen]

ah i havent read much novel

just the gayest one

which i guess kirby is in but he was pretty forgettable

[rustic trellis]

Meta Knight furiously serving omelets on the halberd for a week after the events of rtdl

[proper spindle]

I was not expecting the series' most raw boss fight to be against a tree

[rustic trellis]

Whispy Woods was a raw fight

I agree

[faint glen]

he dropped gordos

[proper spindle]

Also was that a goddamn city in the backdrop of the fight

[rustic trellis]

It was indeed a city of trees

Some might even say a landscape

[faint glen]

||yeah its theorized it was halcandra b4 death||

||or during death, i guess||

[proper spindle]

God the implications here are wild

How did Magolor get back to the main dimension if he just became Green Magolor at the end

Did the Lor come and find him?

[faint glen]

well he can kinda just travel through dimensions

[rustic trellis]

i know ive been dancing around this before, but even though this is the spoiler chat you might want to use tags

[faint glen]

though we dont really know how

[proper spindle]

Oh uh ok

[faint glen]

||he travelled to halcandra somehow before even finding the lor||

[proper spindle]

||So Magolor's just... actually as strong as Kirby now||

[feral wind]

||there’s many options, it could be Susie found him, it could be the lor, it could be him gathering enough power to do it on his own||

[proper spindle]

||Also Ultra Sword really was just a casual foreshadow for the finale of this huh||

[solar harbor]

||I would say using the Black Mirror as a gateway between Kirby Clash and Another Dimension is plausible but that was already destroyed by Team Kirby||

[proper spindle]

||Also who were those elemental bosses?||

[rustic trellis]

||Magolor pulling a monsters inc and rebuilding the mirror shard by shard||

[faint glen]

||just ad guys||

[proper spindle]

||Were they parts of the Master Crown, gone sentient?||

[faint glen]

||they live there||

||it said they were working for their "boss" which was crowned doomer, i guess||

[rustic trellis]

||Crowned Doomer wanted a nice apple for a snack, but magolor ruined that||

[proper spindle]

||Also I was not expecting this to be the origin story for gem apples, of all things||

[solar harbor]

||Let alone be making the Kirby Clash games actually canon||

[proper spindle]

||CRAP YOU'RE RIGHT THEY'RE CANON NOW||

[ruby narwhal]

||according to their descriptions, they are physical manifestations of each dimension’s element||

[jade galleon]

||I just thought they were neat apples that happened to look like gems||

[solar harbor]

||Guess that explains why Magolor got the Gem Apple Bombs in Star Allies. Master Crown has a similar attack as well.||

[proper spindle]

||Wait||

||If the clash games are canon, doesn't that means Galacta Knight is ALSO now a canonical opponent Kirby has faced||

[solar harbor]

||He has yet to make an appearance in the main dimension, though.||

[proper spindle]

||Yes but he's actually canon now because Magolor was in the dimension when he showed up||

||IS TARANZA ALSO MAIN GAME TARANZA||

||HOW MANY IMPLICATIONS DOES THIS HAVE OH MY GOD||

[solar harbor]

||Clash Taranza is just his own self, not mainline Taranza||

||This makes me wonder if Sectonia died of different causes in the Clash universe, but that's a story for another day||

[proper spindle]

I mean unless team Kirby killed her too in the exact same way I don't think it would make sense for her to have died like that

[vapid kestrel]

Oh tf

@lost briar Since you were asking about internal names, the text file use to use BattleKing and TrueBattleKing as the internal name for The Arena and The True Arena instead of Arena and Arenaex which are used in the map files, the text file for deluxe used Arena and Arenaex
Lol

[lost briar]

hmm

[vapid kestrel]

Would come from Jp name of the arena which is 格闘王への道 Path to the Fighting King

True Arena desc

[solar harbor]

||Heh, the translation goes raw||

[vapid kestrel]

I think they've used ホントに ホントの "truly true" in like

Every true arena description

Ok guess not

[heady relic]

こうかいしませんね is the series phrase when you are about to delete your save file

[vapid kestrel]

Oh true

No Regrets, Right? moment

[heady relic]

it's also used in Star Allies Soul Melter EX and Forgotten Land The Ultimate Cup Z

[vapid kestrel]

They've got a lot of recurring phrases in the boss rush descriptions huh

[thin forge]

the black hole:

sorry for ping-

why do i never see what time messages were sent

everytime i open discord it places me in a random-ass time so i think im replying to recent discussion

[gleaming nest]

Woah what is that

[thin forge]

an eyeball

but a robot one

[cursive sandal]

the ability challenges theme in the epilogue goes so hard

[craggy sable]

What the fu-

(Magolor Epilogue Forshadowing)
(Stolen from a comment I saw plus my own findings)
||"Judgment of the Malus Pumila"... Malus Pumila is used to describe apples... This whole-ass epilogue keeps forshadowing about apples 3 times it's crazy||

[vocal latch]

I just realized, ||don't the 3 Elemental bosses in Magologue also fit with 3 Elemental Doomers you encounter||

[broken rune]

||does water count as snow||

[solar harbor]

Also look at the acronym

[vocal latch]

||Electricky Dooter's electric like the Green Doomer, Fiery Puffer's fire like the Red one, Hydriath ig is the only contradiction but its pause menu does connect it to ice as well||

||and there's a Ice Doomer lmfao||

[solar harbor]

||Poseiblu is also somewhat associated with ice, since it's iirc an amalgamation of White Wafers and Onion Ocean||

[cursive sandal]

discord user Baro "What a d-mind!" #8858 when they find out about elemental creatures in video games

[craggy sable]

Yeah that's one of the 3 times

[vocal latch]

Nah I know dw lol

It's a funny trope

[cursive sandal]

yeah, I was just joking

[vocal latch]

I just wonder if it's connected here ||because all of these bosses follow Grand Doomer||

[cursive sandal]

elemental creatures are cool

[vocal latch]

||or ig Crowned Doomer now lmao||

[cursive sandal]

||my guy gained 2 tail feathers out of nowhere||

[vocal latch]

||So I wonder if the bosses are meant to be like "based" on the Sphere Doomer variants or smth???||

[cursive sandal]

||a shame the bosses don't follow the progression of doomers in the main story||

[thin forge]

how many bosses are there

i just beat ||the puffer||

[cursive sandal]

||doomers: fire, electric, ice||
||bosses: electric, fire, water (which is kind of related ig?)||

[cursive sandal]

||6||

[vocal latch]

||Hydriath's JP pause screen also associates him with ice for some reason lol||

||Well the arena is in ice ig lmao||

||Snow||

[solar harbor]

||I mean, after all Poseiblu is a water-ice place||

[thin forge]

||what are they i dont have a list||

[cursive sandal]

||and normal goriath is ice||

[cursive sandal]

are you sure you want me to tell you what all the bosses are

[thin forge]

yeah i already know the final ones

[vocal latch]

Electricky Dooter, Fiery Puffer, Hydriath, ||Rampaging Doomers||, ||Crowned Doomer||, ||Master Crown||

[thin forge]

i just need the order i fight em in

[cursive sandal]

oh

[thin forge]

ok thanks

[thin forge]

question, do i fight the last three back to back?

if i do, do i at least get healing-

[cursive sandal]

||only the last two||

||and you don't get healed between them, but you don't get sent back to the first one if you die during the second||

[vale river]

I come with meme

[cursive sandal]

||rampaging doomers is the boss of the fourth world||

[thin forge]

oh i see

[cursive sandal]

||I guess you do fight all 3 back to back if you go straight to the final part of the mode after them||

[thin forge]

as a perfectionist im gonna fully upgrade everything before that

[cursive sandal]

||I triggered the crowned doomer fight accidentally by passing through the altar area and got the crap beaten out of me||

||I then grinded black hole and magolor cannon challenges until I maxed everything and obliterated the final two bosses||

[burnt slate]

wouldn't trickery 6 challenge be faster?

[cursive sandal]

idk

[burnt slate]

you gain 1600 for abt 1 minute of work

[cursive sandal]

probably faster

[fathom cradle]

Yea it's the best grinding stage for sure

Also bc it's pretty braindead

[cursive sandal]

black hole gives a similar amount of points but takes longer

[jagged dirge]

How do you get to 100% in story mode? Just beat the final boss after getting all 120 energy spheres and I'm at 91%

[vale river]

get all 120 energy spheres in Main Mode and clear all challenge stages, get all 120 energy spheres in Extra Mode and clear all challenge stages, clear The Arena, clear Magolor Epilogue, and clear The True Arena

that will get you a 100% save file

[cursive sandal]

in story and extra the challenges are 1% each

you don't need to get a good rank on them though, only complete them

[vale river]

the same is true for magolor epilogue levels, just beating the final boss is good enough

[jagged dirge]

So I need to do The Arena, The True Arena, do all the challenge stages, and then Magalor Epilogue, gotcha

[vale river]

yep yep

[jagged dirge]

Oh and the other 120 things

[fathom cradle]

You do need ||gold or higher on all epilogue stages to unlock a bonus stage||

[jagged dirge]

I can't believe there are 120 more

Noted, thanks for that info

[vale river]

~~technically speaking, saying "clear all Challenge Stages" is as good as saying "get all 120 energy spheres" because Item Challenge unlocks at 120 energy spheres, but that's unnecessarily reductive ~~

[jagged dirge]

Oh found the challenge stages

They all unlocked at once lol

[vale river]

lol nice

good luck and have fun!

[jagged dirge]

What is "Extra Mode" btw?

[cursive sandal]

the main game but harder

[jagged dirge]

Oh boy

[cursive sandal]

it's not a good higher difficulty, most of it is artificial difficulty

[jagged dirge]

So I have to play through all of the game again and get all the spheres again

[cursive sandal]

yep

[jagged dirge]

This doesn't sound that fun

[cursive sandal]

definitely a weak extra mode

[jagged dirge]

I'll do it though, Kirby is worth it

Maybe I can do the extra modes and challenges throughout my play through of extra mode

[cursive sandal]

half health, almost no healing items, all bosses and minibosses are harder, enemies are made bigger, there are more enemies

[jagged dirge]

In order to not burn out

[vale river]

your Main % reaching 100% doesn't give you 100% on the overall file

you need to do EVERYTHING

[jagged dirge]

That actually kinda sounds fun ngl

[vale river]

in the remake especially it's kind of a lot

I mean I like it, it's my favorite game ever

but it is still a lot to do

[jagged dirge]

Will I need to visit Merry Magoland? I assume so at some point if I'm going for 100%

[lost briar]

yes

[coarse scaffold]

the pain of trying to 100% RTDL

[vale river]

oh wait, how much of Magoland is part of a 100% file

[jagged dirge]

The most painful part sounds lime this extra mode

[vale river]

I thought you could safely ignore it

do you actually need 100 missions in magoland

[jagged dirge]

I have so far not gone to it yet lol

[vale river]

for a 100% file

I know you need it for the super complete full 100% file but that doesn't count for the number percent

like, I was missing the completed jukebox but still had a file with 100% on it

[jagged dirge]

I'll do that anyways, I want a super complete full 100% file

[vale river]

ah

then yeah you'll need to eat magoland for breakfast

probably lunch and dinner too

and pack a to-go box

[jagged dirge]

Well, I would ask what Magoland has to offer, but I imagine the game will explain that for me when I visit it for the first time

[vale river]

very true

enjoy

wrong emoji

[jagged dirge]

Thanks!

[vale river]

enjoy

[fathom cradle]

You do need to do the first 100 missions for 100%

[jagged dirge]

How many missions are there?

[vale river]

I see why you hesitated to replay it

[jagged dirge]

replay it? How do people have time for this lol

[fathom cradle]

There's 100 at first, then 20 harder ones get unlocked after you do the first 100

[vale river]

King did the True Arena with every character already

and also the normal Arena with everybody(?)

[jagged dirge]

Ah, gotcha

[fathom cradle]

Not every ability

[vale river]

on like day 2 he was done done

every character, not every ability lmao

[fathom cradle]

Just each of the actual chars

[vale river]

that would take quite a lot more

[jagged dirge]

Day 2?!

[fathom cradle]

OK lol

[jagged dirge]

That's very impressive sir

[fathom cradle]

What was impressive was the amount of free time I had maybe

[vale river]

I can't imagine doing the arena as MK lmao

[jagged dirge]

Anyways I think I'll probably stop for today after the main story. Thanks for the help with all the info guys!

[vale river]

or did they give Shuttle Loop busted invincibility like later games

good luck with the challenge stages!

[fathom cradle]

Shuttle loop does have good iframes but tbh I couldn't get the hang of it without taking too much damage early on so I only used it in specific circumstances

[burnt slate]

galactic counter melts health

it's real easy to kick most bosses into the next phase with it

[burnt slate]

it's the opposite. every game after rtdl was nerfing shuttle loop's i-frames

[pure lagoon]

Real talk
If ||Magolor comes back and reunites with Kirby. Did they ever recover the Lor Starcutter?||

[vale river]

what the heck for some reason I remember getting hit every time I tried using shuttle loop in rtdl

I guess it was truly a positioning skill issue

[vale river]

||this happens in Star Allies, and Magolor has the Lor yep!||

[pure lagoon]

||Well that makes me happy. I was starting to think it just got lost it space.||

[solar harbor]

||Why would it be lost in space if the Lor Starcutter has a mind of its own||

[pure lagoon]

||since it got defeated i was thinking that||

[burnt slate]

it's mostly bc shuttle loop is slow to start unlike robobot/SA

[vale river]

interesting

[burnt slate]

also if you're trying to use down thrust afterwards, you'll get hit bc down thrust does not have i-frames in rtdl

[vale river]

all platinums in main mode cleared up

hooray

[fathom cradle]

also mk used to not take damage from counters right

i swear he does here

[vale river]

yeah he takes chip damage now

[heady relic]

also mk has less health in RtDL than others

[vale river]

someone else could tell you if it's equal to the damage you'd take from guarding it

BATMAN DIES FIRST

[fathom cradle]

LK

[lost briar]

he only takes chip damage if it's something his guard would take damage from

aka now his counter uses his guard's effect rather than straight up invincibility

[fathom cradle]

oh so that's how that interacts

i did see wmex (i think it was wmex) show how ||gk multi stab goes through counter since it's considered a grab lol||

[burnt slate]

ya

[vale river]

busted command grabs

dlc meta

[fathom cradle]

meta chump

(new meta knight special)

[vale river]

oh come ON

i did sand EX and had like four seconds over thirty and it's still just gold

stingy game :(

[fathom cradle]

the sand challenges seem to be especially stingy with time for whatever reason

i think i had to be at like 38 seconds or something to get the plat

even 37 didn't work iirc?

[vale river]

don't be saying that to me fr 😭

wait I jsut got 38

nvm say it all you want

thank god I am free

[fathom cradle]

[vale river]

I'm so pumped for wing ex

always been one of my favorites

[fathom cradle]

wex

i think the wing one is fun

🤝

[vale river]

🤝

I hate whip I hate whip

goodbye whip challenge

much better in new challenge stages fr 🤢

this is not spoiler content

away

other channel is busy

i return

i got bomb already? lmao

good riddance

[fathom cradle]

whip one is definitely not as fun

personally i think water is a bit of a slog too

[vale river]

hehe

hoho

[cursive sandal]

f whip, all my homies hate whip

[vale river]

goodbye hi jump

I don't like water but I don't dislike it

oh mecha time

there's one section I don't get the intended strategy for

everything else I think I understand but not that

[vapid kestrel]

Help me

[thin forge]

they use "traveler" a lot, even in english

[vale river]

that's so annoying lmao

mecha ex done sob emoji

i forgot how hard it was to LEARN a challenge stage

[lost briar]

some changes are so strange and reductive they annoy me

like getting rid of "Four-Headed" from Landia's title

[vale river]

first try water ex lol

i just did regular water so that checks out

no real differences between the two

wing ex is pretty different though

lol first try wing ex

item ex

and then my file is completely done

[vapid kestrel]

It's so weird b/c like
It sounds so much worse without it

Guardian Angel: Landia

That looks so naked and weird

Like at least put a The at the front if you're going to get rid of the 'four-headed' part???

[vale river]

first try item ex as well lmfao

that's kind of anticlimactic

but hey. true finally complete 100% file

[vapid kestrel]

funny item challenge

[vale river]

it should have been like

Sword Challenge 2

[vapid kestrel]

Do you have the complete jukebox then

[vale river]

yeah

I got that when I beat the true arena

[vapid kestrel]

nice

[vale river]

so like. monday? idr

I feel like doing all of magoland feels more tiring than doing literally everything else lol

fortunately I have siblings to play with

so most missions passed with extreme laughter

just kind of mashing A on Smash Ride is exceptionally funny

[vapid kestrel]

It's so funny how they did this were they just too lazy to port a more modern GK into RtDL? Or were they actually like 'wait that's fire we should keep that'

[vale river]

"wtf, that's BS. we removed that ages ago."
"...which means they won't expect it. keep it in."

[solar harbor]

This feels extremely wrong tbh

[vapid kestrel]

It's part of the ending of the game tho

[craggy sable]

Literally a character

[vapid kestrel]

||MFs adding the SKC eruption attack but reusing the RtDL version of his multislash||

||I think it's so funny how much mileage they got out of that attack mfs put that attack on 3 fucking bosses, literally an ME boss, an EX boss, and a TA boss||

[lost briar]

they even added it to HR-D3 which tells me that Vanpool must have some sorta kink for lasers that erupt fire from the ground

[vale river]

we love reusing code yum

[vapid kestrel]

||They should do this for PR too
You know how PR had a bunch of attacks from bosses that left like hitboxes on the ground
Instead of just eventually disappearing all of those should suddenly blow up before they disappear when they remake PR||

[vale river]

you're so right

can't wait for 2029

[burnt slate]

cant wait for soul os heart to mute the sound constantly with its ground laser explosion

with every blast

[vapid kestrel]

Fuck Soul OS really did do it first huh

[lost briar]

can't wait for Kirby 3D Rumble to get replaced with Kirby's Chef Challenge

[vapid kestrel]

Is there like
Literally any other attack in the game that affects the audio

[burnt slate]

not on the top of my head

[fathom cradle]

yea it's really weird

[thin forge]

i hate the stupid fire left behind by boss attacks

what does it accomplish

its horrible

[burnt slate]

to prevent you from just i-framing through the boss/attack

[fathom cradle]

i just think it's funny they ||reused it outside of gk||

||the audio effect is kinda cool at first ig but honestly i don't like it cutting out the audio bc that's my kirby music you're taking away ||

[heady relic]

surprise buff to HR-D3

[thin forge]

bad

[burnt slate]

HR-D3 did get a collection of small buffs

[fathom cradle]

he moves slightly faster across the stage too when he spins

[burnt slate]

like making it move faster during the spin move on the arena

[fathom cradle]

lol

[burnt slate]

ya

[fathom cradle]

🤝

[burnt slate]

shame that they didn't give it shockwaves for the charged fist/drill slams

[faint glen]

i do not think this is a shame

its hard enough as is with 2 phases i feel lol

[burnt slate]

i do since it's no different from the regular ones

[faint glen]

ah fair

[burnt slate]

[faint glen]

well depends on the ability i guess

[heady relic]

I don't remember how it works in the original
but as its parts are teared off, its hitbox gets smaller

[faint glen]

i hate when i think im safe in phase 1

and then it has a hitbox near the top of the screen after the punch/drill

[fathom cradle]

i was wondering if they would do anything to prevent you still just hugging it the whole time to avoid all its attacks when it attacks you directly

[faint glen]

you can mostly do that in phase 2 yeah

[fathom cradle]

(they did not)

[faint glen]

i think its part of the way of making it "easier" tho
though it still has the spin move

[fathom cradle]

🦔

this was listed under spin

i guess just spiny or spines or something

[faint glen]

[fathom cradle]

[faint glen]

spinni never spins this is so sad

actually i guess he might if u whack him in smash ride

[fathom cradle]

[languid copper]

damn why is Nago the only Animal Buddy mask with sound effects

[heady relic]

kumazaki cat priviledge

[languid copper]

understandable

[lost briar]

he got SFX in star allies

solely for that single attack he appears in for Cleaning

[languid copper]

ahh, now i want to test a theory you know how Ultra Sword has a small chance to draw a unique sword, I want to test it with Dark Matter Clone/Swordsman to see if I am able to draw a rainbow sword

[lost briar]

i do not understand

[faint glen]

i actually tried with ultra sword to get morpho sword for like
several minutes and didnt get it lol

because i got it so quick in the demo i actually was like "dammit so morpho is in the game huh"

[novel fog]

this thing? that's in original

[vagrant cave]

True Arena easier than getting 30 on egg catcher lvl 3 fr fr that's the true final boss

[solar harbor]

This kinda feels like a bad comparison in my eyes because I did get Lvl3 30 once

It felt easy

[faint glen]

the vinesauce vinny on the table:

[vagrant cave]

I've only got 30 once

I've played it like 50 times or more

[faint glen]

tbf u cant cheat on that like u can w true arena

[vagrant cave]

yessir

key point

sand

[languid copper]

no rainbow sword

[languid copper]

but the real shit is trying to get 800 points in Kirby on the draw

[vagrant cave]

[languid copper]

[burnt slate]

||boo, 2nd phase TA mag soul basically has the same moveset as the 1st phase after he does the super abilities||

||no different patterns or anything other than a single new screen flip combo where he does the surge rush + juggle||

||also never knew you can hit spark dooter during his intro anim. they usually should have invincibility during that time||

[vapid kestrel]

I mean the way it prevents that is that its body leans forward tilting downward and makes contact damage with you as it attacks, honestly covers a pretty big area as it does so
I think it's fine enough for new players

[vapid kestrel]

||Wtf||

[vapid kestrel]

??? Why are you at the top of the screen during the punches?

[burnt slate]

nvm, I was just hitting him when the i-frames just ended

[fathom cradle]

Tbh I still think it's way too slow and it doesn't really change the fact you can still just stay right next to him and never get hit by the laser or punches

But then again it probably doesn't need to be that much harder for most ppl lol

Actually Faye wtf are you talking about he doesn't hit when he leans down unless you are literally like a pixel next to him

[vapid kestrel]

Bro how far away are you standing from him I remember having to practice so hard as a kid to stand close enough to him to hit him with hammer without getting hit by him leaning down for his laser
Hell I still got hit when I fought the mf on emulator a few days ago I think

[coarse scaffold]

ay yo sorry for the abrupt appearance
someone a few days ago mentioned the epilogue final boss confirms magolor to be extremely sadistic, what u mean bro 😭
i can't find it unfortunately :/

[vapid kestrel]

|| https://youtu.be/RMi_cTg6hG8?t=281 ||
PoV: Definitely not a video of me sucking ass

[fathom cradle]

I guess I'm just used to backing up for the laser ig?

[vapid kestrel]

Ok yea I guess the amount he leans forward for laser isn't 'practice standing at the right spot' but rather literally just remembering to back away before he leans forward

[fathom cradle]

I didn't trust my memory so I booted up the fight on extra mode just in case

Now the punches you can absolutely just stand still for though

Just used Ninja quad shock on him

[vapid kestrel]

I wonder if that's the kind of thing where us being familiar with the boss already just instinctually stand far away enough that his punches won't lean him into you though, like I wonder if a player who's new to HR-D3 would stand closer to him than we would

[fathom cradle]

Could be

[vapid kestrel]

There's also that thing falco mentioned where his hitbox gets smaller as he takes more damage and parts of him fall off

[fathom cradle]

That probably makes sense, it also just gets way easier to just have better awareness of that type of thing as you play more kirby

Lol you're probs right, I'm just being a boomer complaining

[vapid kestrel]

|| I mean it would've been cool to have new variations of Halcandra bosses regardless
Not having Whispy made sense but man no new Metal General/HR-D3/GK or other Knight/Landia/Lor or some new shooting boss ||

[fathom cradle]

||yeah I was def hoping for harder or at least different variants of the other bosses too||

||poor gk lol||

[vapid kestrel]

||Mfw they did literally nothing with the Knights||

[fathom cradle]

|| ||

[urban bluff]

mfw ||dmk's mirror clone has more recognition than galacta in Rtdldx||

[thin forge]

wait is there a galacta mask in the game

[fathom cradle]

Yes

[thin forge]

phew

[fathom cradle]

Now that would've really been sad

No hr-d3 mask

[thin forge]

i still wish there was a void termina mask

outer phase and inner phase would be cool

[fathom cradle]

Honestly kind of surprising they didn't considering it's not like they were shy about having void termina treats in dream buffet

[thin forge]

yeah it isnt like hes SUPER new anymore

[fathom cradle]

And star allies IS 5 years old at this point even if it's still on switch

[thin forge]

i understand not adding elfilis masks tho

that games more recent

[vapid kestrel]

Ok this is me standing closer than I normally would, but I don't think this looks unreasonably close for someone to want to stand, and the punches did hit me when he has no damage, I'll check again for most of his armor gone

Yea there's definitely no way for him to hit you when he's damaged a lot

[fathom cradle]

Bros got that lollipop figure

[faint glen]

mecha

[vapid kestrel]

I think its funny his head doesn't have a hitbox when he leans into the punch, I guess he's too far into the z-axis?

[lost briar]

all the cool masks we could have gotten were taken by Smiling Elfilin and Focused Adeleine

[vapid kestrel]

But yea should also consider like a new player might not damage the boss as fast as someone familiar which for the way his body hitbox gets smaller as he takes more damage means that him leaning forward for his attacks is also more dangerous to people who damage him slower

[fathom cradle]

Smiling elfilin is some funny shit

[vapid kestrel]

Me when smiling alt of character with no mouth

Honestly funniest shit ever

[lost briar]

should have been Music Fest smh

only difference is having the funny hat

[solar harbor]

It's extremely oddly specific they decided that masks of characters showing different emotions was a good idea

[austere willow]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQHd60brUo4

(this includes All Bosses)

[ocean mauve]

that one cuphead video

LANDIA HAS A DASH?

[austere willow]

its always had a dodge

[ocean mauve]

I think I completely forgot until I saw this video

didn't use it once my entire 100%

[rustic trellis]

its bothersome to use tbf

you cant be charging or have a charge

which in a quick lor fight will never be the case

[vapid kestrel]

I mean tbh I never understood why people called it a dodge
Technically it makes you invincible but its pretty unwieldy to use it as one and its much more useful as an attack

Its almost as powerful as well executed full charges so if you don’t want to be shaking your remote the whole battle you can just
Occasionally press A instead to win nearly as fast

[rustic trellis]

unfortunately as an attack its simply outclassed by shaking the controller

and the upside of having i-frames is negated by the simple process of "dont get hit" which is pretty easy in the lor fights

Meaning most people wont have a need to use it, wont see anyone else use it, and even cause some people to not know of its existence

[vapid kestrel]

Kirby schmups are always easy but Lor has like the hardest patterns of any 2D shooter boss in modern Kirby tbh

…I guess thatms literally just COGS, Core Kabula, and Grand Mam huh.

[rustic trellis]

yeah, just cause its the hardest doesnt mean its hard. funny english language -est moment

[crimson lodge]

Y’know... with how common Kirby schmups surprisingly are... I kinda hope we get a really hard schmup boss in a future game.

[rustic trellis]

I mean we got star patrol

which is close

[crimson lodge]

What's that?

[vapid kestrel]

It’s a vertical shooting subgame in Mass Attack

[crimson lodge]

Ah.

[vapid kestrel]

I’m sad we haven’t had a 2D shooter in a finale since Lor

[crimson lodge]

True.

[vapid kestrel]

Planet Robobot really teasing me with Dark Matter Blade and Heart of Nova recreation but they’re both on foot battles

[crimson lodge]

Pffft... imagine if we had the entire bloody halberd inside star dream and he's just HUGE.

With the Heart of Nova part being larger to compensate.

[vapid kestrel]

The Robobot Jet Mode is right ther though 😭

[rustic trellis]

I think a full on 2d shooter kirby game would be a cool spinoff

We could even have different characters specialize in different things, like dedede being slow, heavy shots, MK being weaker, swift shots, and Bandee being multi-shot for spread

[vapid kestrel]

Honestly I don’t know of a single example of a shooting game with 3D models I think that would be hilarious

[craggy sable]

You know what I haven't seen any fanart of the Final Boss for the Epilogue...
Calling Dibs!

⚠️ WIP crop of said Final Boss from Magolor Epilogue ⚠️

Surprisingly hard to draw these kinds of shape, but still easier than doing Fecto Elfilis' ears that's for sure

[fathom cradle]

[craggy sable]

But alas I gotta like, sleep, and realistically by fanartist standards someone is real close to making their rendition of the boss

Also this is the motivation I need to draw again

[swift oracle]

finally beat epilogue 🙏

what a silly creature

[solar harbor]

Magolor truly did some epiloguing

[vapid kestrel]

I have spent like ten fucking minutes trying to find a list of japanese music titles for rtdl dx online bc im on my phone why the fuck does nowhere have one

[solar harbor]

Aren't they datamined

Could ask someone else who has datamined the game

[vapid kestrel]

Anyway wow yea there really isn’t any art of ||Master Crown||

[thin forge]

||he too complicated fr||

[vapid kestrel]

This is like the only one on pixiv
||https://www.pixiv.net/en/artworks/105779759||

Stupid broken pixiv embeds

[solar harbor]

This art reminded me of ||the fact I had to learn that the red laser is unguardable, the hard way ||

[vapid kestrel]

Elfilis is like the only time a final or extra boss had a guardable laser besides three mage sisters which are made from non final bosses

[lime acorn]

||50/50 chance to happen but if someone rips Magolor's crying voices from Supreme Lord's Coronation, I will die||

||Or at least, a decade will be taken away from my lifespan||

[vapid kestrel]

||Its baked into the song and not a separate file unfortunately||
||Are they even different from the sounds he normally makes||

[lime acorn]

||I see, now I get to live longer :D||

||Because these sounds shuddered me and makes me depressed as fuck||

/nsrs /lh

[thin forge]

where in the song are they exactly

yall got any timestamps

nevermind

[austere willow]

so that theory that Green Winds Remix remixes Beyond the Hill but intentionally makes it similar to the TDX motif

and the Blue Blizzards Remix remixes A Stroll on the Ocean Floor but intentionally makes it similar to KPR songs

im like

trying think if Red Sands somehow references KatFL or KSA

actually wait

Hmm

I wonder if you can argue that this could be based on the Song of Supplication motif

Actually yeah what if the underlying vibe is actually just Song of Supplication if the theory that these 3 remix tracks try to pastiche off of a previous game

[novel fog]

WiKirby has them lol

https://wikirby.com/wiki/List_of_Kirby_series_music_names_in_other_languages on here

[austere willow]

IMPERATOR goes hard

[novel fog]

||wouldn't be surprised if they are different, pretty sure they are edited at least||

[austere willow]

anyway, do u guys think that Red Sands Remix could be potentially pastiche-ing off of Song of Supplication

i think ultrby was there when it was discussed

[vapid kestrel]

Ah

[vapid kestrel]

I KNOW RIGHT
I LOVE THE WORD IMPERATOR SO MUCH

Wait actually.........

[verbal aspen]

ok am i just being skill issued or are the bosses in me really fucking hard lmao

[ocean mauve]

which one are you struggling with

[verbal aspen]

i died to (2nd boss) like 4 times

[ocean mauve]

tbh upgrade surge and spam it

it's really good especially on that boss

[verbal aspen]

mines only lvl2

i guess i should focus it more then

[ocean mauve]

if you get the one where you can go back and forth it makes it easy to maintain i-frames

(aka the "2 in a row" which should be level 3)

I actually maxed it first because surge is just so insane. just a great move overall lol

[verbal aspen]

anything else i should focus on

[ocean mauve]

I find levitation pretty handy just for movement ofc. magic bomb's up+down attack is pretty nice too. moves like neutral b and up b aren't super critical because you can just surge for most of your dps but ||there's situations where fire is needed|| so hey

and I guess more obviously if you're having trouble bc of taking damage, health might help you out

[unique gyro]

I usually use it as optimisation

[ocean mauve]

other than that I usually just kinda try to level up what I can at the given moment and keep it sorta balanced. but yeah! have fun and try finding out what works for you lol

[unique gyro]

cause being up close and hitting with Dragon Spiral means you save a few split seconds if it's a boss transition, or the killing blow

compared to having to charge and shake

a very speedrunner way to look at it, yes, but that's how I traditionally did the Lor Starcutter fight during my peak in RtDL back in the day

[wintry turtle]

I just realized we DID get remixes of the main RTDL level themes, just through epilogue

Holy shit

HOW DID I NOT REALIZE THIS

[austere willow]

isnt Remix literally in the name

[granite cedar]

i was a fake fan and at first its deadass thought its just a remix of some song that was called "Green winds" so i helplessly tried to find it via youtube

[wintry turtle]

I erm... didn't opt to actually look at more than like the first 100 tracks

[austere willow]

in any case do you think the theory that while these 3 Remix tracks are in fact RtDL remixes

[granite cedar]

instead its just an original medley of a few stage themes from rtdl that i couldnt recognize at first

Lmao

[austere willow]

that they reference or pastiche TDX, KSA, and KPR respectively
(Green Winds Remix, Red Sands Remix, Blue Blizzard Remix)

via how its composed

[granite cedar]

i can kinda hear tdx, but i didnt really listen to other two enough to assume ksa and kpr

[wintry turtle]

I need to listen to them again

[granite cedar]

in green winds guitar gave me floral fields vibes lowkey

[austere willow]

for Green Winds its the Fine Fields motif (which is derived from Beyond the Hill from the first place)

[granite cedar]

oh true

didnt think of that but you are right, they sound similar

[austere willow]

for Blue Blizzard, its the A Stroll on the Ocean Floor but its remixed in a way that it structurally plays like Vagrant Counting Song

for Red Sands, possibly a stretch but I think its pastiche-ing (pastiche, meaning, make similar to on purpose) Song of Supplication via the instruments and that 1 short segment i posted that wasnt from Haldera Volcano

[lime acorn]

||INWARD STRUGGLE||

[leaden terrace]

I will make art of ||Master Crown||. The rest are cowards.

[vapid kestrel]

|| Ok does this make Magolor's voice clearer or no at this point I have listened to this song too long and don't know if I'm imagining it or not||

[wintry turtle]

This guy is doing a service

[leaden terrace]

i guess its clearer

[austere willow]

its certainly more noticeable and agreed that its his voice clips

[leaden terrace]

did i ping u twice mb

[wintry turtle]

Bruh it DOES

The FUCK????

[austere willow]

yeah so it was noticed by Leo and Ultrby, and iw as like

"yeah it sounds like Robobot but its technically A Stroll on the Ocean Floor"

and then i was like its definitely possible its intentional

[wintry turtle]

Idek what to say anymore man

HAL is just

Awesome

[wintry turtle]

HAL is the 5 star personal chef that cooks for us

[leaden terrace]

im a weirdo and im still obsessed with ||magolor soul phase 2|| so heres my gijinka art based on the desc gwehehe bye

[glossy jay]

Forgotten land could have a different flow of time as well

[glossy jay]

Thats amazing

[leaden terrace]

ty

[thin prairie]

maybe ||the master crown|| was just hungry

and it wanted to eat ||the apple||

what if we are the bad guys here

[leaden terrace]

right

this is the true story..

[thin prairie]

what if it forgot to eat breakfast

it would be so hungry

poor little thing

[wintry turtle]

Love this

[unreal stag]

i think the extra mode original sin began with adventure

kdl1's extra mode was actually pretty neat methinks

[smoky rampart]

I listened to the remixed track for ||Magolor soul phase 2|| and can I just say....

Who the fuck at Hal labs decided this was okay??

||His little squeaks and cries calling for Kirby made me legit bawl like a baby, I just wanted to help him so bad. I'm glad this one isn't canon.||

[austere willow]

wow baro. that one comment worked.

we've changed history

[leaden terrace]

really???

[granite cedar]

what comment

[leaden terrace]

||i assume its the magolor soul phase 2 one saying that this is basically the bad ending||

[granite cedar]

ahh

[vocal latch]

🤝

[main fractal]

What cement?

[rustic ether]

|| https://youtu.be/iQ1vrU0onhA god i love this boss theme ||

[leaden terrace]

cement 🧱

also same

[lofty condor]

Banger theme

[leaden terrace]

welp there he goes 😭

he falls so fucking pathetically now i just feel bad LJMAO

[ruby narwhal]

I like how he sticks his arms out like “please I’ve fallen and I can’t get up-”before comically exploding offscreen like a cartoon

[austere willow]

I LOVE THAT THEY MADE HIMF ALL OFF THE STAGE LIKE CLASH BOSSES DO

[long turtle]

||The Kirby Clash 3D in the Corner:||

https://tenor.com/view/transitions-kinemaster-black-guy-suit-tiktok-gif-25279479

[austere willow]

wha

[long turtle]

Its a bit of a weird predict but ||i feel like the next spinoff is a kirby clash in 3D||

[austere willow]

whyd u reply to that one

[long turtle]

||because true arena magolor will be in it ||

[leaden terrace]

very possible

[long turtle]

||probably gonna be named like alternate magolor or whatever||

[leaden terrace]

and id be more than welcome to see it

[granite cedar]

im thinking

if ||parallel magolor will be a thing|| then

||can we free him? and if we free him, what he will be like afterwards||

||will be he be "evil" magolor now, angry that his kirby couldn't save him or||

[leaden terrace]

||i always thought parallel magolor to be a literal husk of magolor's former self, only thing left is master crown... but i actually really like the idea of saving him for once after a failed attempt. second times a charm||

||but id wager if he is freed, hed definitely be more different, much less time to think back on what happened maybe||

[granite cedar]

a lowkey theory

||kumazaki using clash verse to justify having evil versions of the characters that been redeemed||

[leaden terrace]

YES

My dream scenario

[long turtle]

||what if||

[leaden terrace]

I love evil people!!!

...characters

[long turtle]

||once parallel magolor is freed, he becomes the shopkeeper of the clash universe while the original magolor goes back to his universe||

[leaden terrace]

||"take my torch and continue running this shop for me."
"who the fuck even are you? why are you giving me these weird looking apples? im not even"
"goodbye"||

[granite cedar]

you know im now sincerely thinking about that ||dark matter being referred to in the present tense remark|| and ||kumazaki's words about how they would like to keep him a villain for now||

i feel like ||dark matter might end up as main villain of clash 3||

it would fit with ||parallel magolor too, even if we don't 100% know what is the relationship between evil energy in the crown and dark matter||

[leaden terrace]

oooOOOOO

[slender compass]

definitely want to see more of ||Dark Matter||

For ||Kirby's evil counterpart they haven't been a major player since Squeak Squad beyond head canons and theories||

[leaden terrace]

makes sense

what weve been getting since is pretty great

||which might make a dark matter return even more exciting||

||cus think about it... i dont think kumazaki has truly shown how he would make a new dark matter villain. its probably gonna be a total surprise||

[waxen kiln]

||Is completing 100 magoland missions required for 100% completion?||

[long turtle]

||i would love to see dark matter again as a major boss fight of some sort, it would be so cool||

||plus, banger design if its swordsman||

[rustic ether]

||i guess nobody remembers Void Termina lmao||

[granite cedar]

yes

[leaden terrace]

||I don't think Void Termina is dark matter though, at least not technically||

||Same way Void isn't related to Kirby||

[rustic ether]

||wait I thought he was tho||

||did I miss something in Star Allies? XD||

[leaden terrace]

||It was never stated/directly implied that Void specifically acts as a progenitor of Kirby or Dark Matter or straight up being either, just that he consisted of four matters/elements that make them. From my understanding, he's kind of like his own thing, comprised of all the matters at once and being an essence of chaos and Kirby only acts as a new influence to him||

||Thinking about it now... they're probably more 'siblings' than anything, but even then they're like. Not that related. at all||

yknow thinking about it this is a much better and easier to understand explanation in a way it's so much more interesting and nuanced i love it

[waxen kiln]

[granite cedar]

its not that bad

||extra missions on other hand||

[rustic ether]

||i feel like there were many implications tbh XD||

||Kirby is just that kind of franchise to me that doesn’t do coincidences||

[leaden terrace]

well theyre not coincidences

[humble crest]

||checkboard chase extra missions man|| 😭

[leaden terrace]

||They're absolutely intentional, but not in a way most people thought it was||

[granite cedar]

TRUE

[humble crest]

Took a hour only for that

[granite cedar]

I STILL DONT KNOW HOW I GOT THOSE

i deadass blanked out

[humble crest]

Same lol

[magic gate]

I specifically scanned my kirby amiibo during the nova fight in the first attempt so I could fight it like nova lmao

[slender compass]

didn't a description ||confirmed Void is the creator and origin point for all beings?||

granted ||whether he has any special connection to DM and Kirby specifically or not is still unknown||

[leaden terrace]

||iirc he is called something along the lines of 'the progenitor of origin'||

||Void may be way more than we think but im kind of convinced in star allies hes just a newly born being that was infused with all the energy and still taking in more, so hes not related to anything in particular||

[charred ember]

Just finished magolor epilogue

o(-(

[thin forge]

basically yeah

either that or it describes ||him as the CULMINATION of all those things||

[novel fog]

||yeah, 淵源の祖 (something like 'ancestor/founder of the origin'), though it does not state whether Void actually created it, and it is part of a riddle||

[slender compass]

it should be noted ||the orb in the battleground of Magolor Soul EX has Void's lines||

[novel fog]

||it could just be that it is just like the origin, or that it was thought to be like the origin by ancient people; it could also be that the 4 substances combined are what created/are like (what made) the origin||

[novel fog]

||it also pulsates, who knows what it means though lol||

[slender compass]

ambiguity

[austere willow]

im TELLING yall

[leaden terrace]

||having a panic attack not knowing whats going on i guess lol||

[austere willow]

its the ORIGIN of something possibly the dimension

[fleet ocean]

hi i love green winds remix

[leaden terrace]

||i wonder if master crown is related to void in that it is actually just another void encased in the crown? we know that it can just possess whatever it wants if it can, and always grows an eye when it does. not to mention magolor soul is supposedly a manifestation of the crown, so in a way it must be its true appearance, right? a spherical form taking on the last traits of magolor whose face also resembles void
on another note, would the gem on the master crown be important too? i dont have a lot to say on that but i thought thats also interesting||

[fleet ocean]

||it could just be dark matter||

[leaden terrace]

||yeah i was wondering why i mentioned the eye part but you know, association is association||

[austere willow]

@granite cedar #kirby-kingdom message

[thin prairie]

Klu#3385 - #kirby-kingdom

but those two enemies are like intentional design contrast

Quoted by Clay#9838 • [432404529619795968] · Mar 3, 2023, 2:46 PM

[austere willow]

so youre saying

Magolor ||Soul TA uses Mecha and Sand to represent those design contrasts||

[novel fog]

||idk if it is another Void, but it could be something similar; it is possible that it was influenced/dyed by the hatred and obsession of other supreme rulers, similar to how stuff like Void is influenced||

[austere willow]

while the og Super Abilities represent classic kirby

[leaden terrace]

yeah smth like that!

||i honestly said void as a slightly loose term there||

[thin forge]

its heavily implied, if not outright confirmed that ||void created the master crown||

[leaden terrace]

nnnn idk

[granite cedar]

IT COULD BE THE CASE

[austere willow]

heres my vibes

RtDL is a "classic middleground"

[granite cedar]

it was in a way "ultimate classic kirby" experience

[austere willow]

TDX is "nature/fairytale centric"

KPR is "technological centric"

KSA is like.

[granite cedar]

but with all enhancements brought by deluxe

it can be considered distilled "10s kirby" experience

[austere willow]

a new "classic middleground"

[thin forge]

consider: ||he uses several in battle, on top of using two ultra swords in his first phase||

[granite cedar]

its not the best 10s kirby but it now has a little bit of everything that made games from that period special

[austere willow]

i wonder if they'll go for an extreme specific theme next game because despite FL being literally

[vast vapor]

they just polished it to an incredible degree

[austere willow]

abandoned human-esque world

[vast vapor]

now it feels complete

[austere willow]

it still feels...

"middleground"

[granite cedar]

i had a theory

[austere willow]

isnt that funny,the game thats meant to be new

[granite cedar]

think about it

[austere willow]

its like

classically Kirby, anyway

[granite cedar]

triple deluxe was nature and fantasy. robobot was sci fi and technology

FL is like. nature AND technology

so what if next game is sci fi and fantasy

[austere willow]

(RtDL DX)

[granite cedar]

.. .

true actually LMAO

[austere willow]

thats what i mean by middleground :P

since KSS, Kirby's kind of like

basically there's no "oh tis game can only have nature"

[thin forge]

and star allies?

[austere willow]

Star Allies is Middleground, also

KSA is more fantasy and interplanetary? i guess?

fantasy and space

yeah. fantasy and space

[granite cedar]

star allies is like a little bit of everything

[novel fog]

Star Allies doesn't really have too much of a specific stage/level theme really compared to the others yeah

[thin forge]

all of the time

[granite cedar]

i do wonder what "theme" for the next game could be but also like

[maiden crane]

a little bit of everything

[thin forge]

all of the time

[maiden crane]

[thin forge]

apathys a tragedy and boredom is a crime-

[granite cedar]

maybe HAL has retired the whole "theme dominates everything" shtick and instead focuses on how setting can dictate the story

[novel fog]

though of course it has lot of more specific themes elsewhere

[slender compass]

It is possible ||The crown was used against Void and Void copied it, but somehow the crown took after Void too and became evil||

[granite cedar]

because honestly id prefer that tbh

[austere willow]

IM SAYINNNNNNNN

[granite cedar]

there still can be themes

[austere willow]

MUSIC THEME

[granite cedar]

but

[austere willow]

COME ONNNNNNNNNNNN

[granite cedar]

its more focused

[slender compass]

in hindsight I wonder if the ||Ancients even made the darn crown||

[austere willow]

slams table slams table

[thin forge]

i still think its ||void who made it ||

[austere willow]

Hi-Fi Rush, NoStraightRoads, Wandersong...

its so RIPE for the taking and KIRBY SHOULD TAKE IT

music themed game msuic themed game come on come on

[maiden crane]

Kirby but hi-fi rush

id play

[granite cedar]

hmmm

i wonder now

can setting of dream land And music theme can be combined

[faint glen]

~~ drum dash deluxe ~~

[granite cedar]

because i genuinely feel like next 3d game will have dream land in it.

[novel fog]

||they did iirc, Landia EX's description in original RTDL implies it heavily at least||

[austere willow]

Rhythm Route, Melody Town, Dedede's Drum Dash

WITH KIRBY'S EXTREMELY FLASHY FASHIONABLE SLEEK ART DESIGN THEYD PULL IT OFF

like KSA, RtDL DX, KF2, and KatFL's UI design is like

on point

fleek

sleek

[granite cedar]

HAL flexing their UI design when everyone else have boring clean minimalistic UIs

[faint glen]

Music based game would be cool, tho i do somewhat feel like its too non-dire of a plot
Unless the antagonists are killing ppl over music
Or resurrecting the Music Satan or somethin idk

[charred ember]

||does anyone have the pause screen description for master crown? i was so caught up in the fight i forgot to check||

[granite cedar]

music can be translated into intense narrative well

again. wandersong

everyone should play wandersong

[austere willow]

i havent played it but ive watched at railer and i KNOW what its going to do

[granite cedar]

i played it

[faint glen]

I do kinda want the next game to have a stylistic theme tho
Forgotten lands was kinda cool but also it did feel somewhat generic at times too
"Foreign wildlife" can be many many things

[granite cedar]

and its narrative is beautiful

[faint glen]

Still did better than rtdl and sa id say tho
Esp the mall

[austere willow]

Forgotten Land isnt foreign wildlife is

Forgotten Land.

its empty human world

[faint glen]

I guess but most wasnt rlly civilized

[maiden crane]

||VS Master Crown
Those who wear the Master Crown will
gain power, but so will the darkness in
their hearts. Thanks to the red fruit, it's
become a wrathful wreath—a destroyer
called the tree crown without a ruler!||

[austere willow]

c

CIVILIZED??

[granite cedar]

i think the idea here is the contrast of just how alien and realistic this world feels compared to usual kirby locales and kirby's usual characters

[faint glen]

Ever, i mean

[austere willow]

girl the entire desert area is a port and a resort

[granite cedar]

so it still feels unique because among 3d platformers this kind of setting is not really a thing

[maiden crane]

there was an entire civilization in the forgotten land that just
fuckin noped out one day

[charred ember]

||ooh interesting, i wonder how Landia was not overcome by this darkness?||

[faint glen]

Ok fair i guess? Most of it i recall was wildrness tho

[maiden crane]

and left everything else behind

[austere willow]

the only wilderness was the starting area

???

[faint glen]

Moonlit canyon?

[austere willow]

Thats also part of the oceanic beach

[maiden crane]

isnt moonlit canyon like, one area

[austere willow]

if you notice the architecture its a dried up shore

also YOU GO THRUOGH MINES

IN THAT LEVEL

[faint glen]

Ah i guess i forgot more abt fl than i realized
But fair

[austere willow]

with a giant ass metal shutter door, presumably for waterflow

[faint glen]

I just remembered winter horns like. Exists

[austere willow]

and cinematic flair

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqigaFzqhys

[maiden crane]

originull wasteland(?) is like

[austere willow]

i rememebr when this played in trailers

[maiden crane]

a weird place to think about

[austere willow]

i was like

ThATS A PIRATE THEME

but some people were like

[charred ember]

its a dried up ocean isnt it

[austere willow]

its a DESERT THEME

and im like

ITS BOTH

yeah because dried up ocean

[maiden crane]

because its all dried up yeah but
how tf did this entire area dry up

[thin forge]

ye

[maiden crane]

and then next door is a volcanic hellscape

[thin forge]

maybe elfilis landed there

[faint glen]

Couldve been a long time later
Or yknow like u said, eruption lol

[charred ember]

i mean stuff like that has happened irl

[faint glen]

Oops sory 4 ping

[austere willow]

the island couldve just raised higher and the water receded

[charred ember]

some irl deserts were once vast oceans

[austere willow]

via geological formations

[maiden crane]

i guess

[austere willow]

girl u play splatoon

[faint glen]

I guess its kinda just that for me
FL mostly just feltl ike a combination of rtdl and robobot
Its been a while since theyve tried something totally new thematically

[austere willow]

the 1 game where the entire world was flooded or sommat

global warming n shit

the eiffel tower is in SCorch Gorge for some reason!!

[novel fog]

||https://fxtwitter.com/bubblekine/status/1631663973186830336 || idk if anyone has posted anything like this here yet, apparently you can do this lmao

[austere willow]

well thats stupid

Trickery Level MAX fr

[novel fog]

999 is max combo you can get

[maiden crane]

i mean splatoon doesn't have a volcanic hellscape next to the splatlands

[fleet ocean]

simple answer: (im pretty sure) it didnt

[austere willow]

ok now thats HAL dedication

[faint glen]

Honestly just what i want from the next game is at least some worlds that are not
Fields. Desert. Water. Lava

[fleet ocean]

didnt they do that with katfl LOL

[faint glen]

LMAO on brand

[austere willow]

im SAYING IT ONCE AGAIN

music themed game

You know how Rhythm Route was a city of EDM

[fleet ocean]

Dedede's Drum Dash

[austere willow]

and jazz somehow

imagine.

[faint glen]

I mean id be down for sure
Hell ive made concepts for music based levels and stuff in the past for unrelated things

I definitely dont think itd ever happen but it would be cool

[unreal stag]

fl still did have 'grass area', 'desert area', 'water/beach area', 'lava area', and 'snow area'

just combined them all with city aesthetic

[faint glen]

Yeah id say winter horns changed up enough

But the rest, idk

[fleet ocean]

oh i was responding to the comfy sleeping areas

[faint glen]

Ah

[fleet ocean]

message sent late

[unreal stag]

oh heh

discord prank'd

[fleet ocean]

😢

[austere willow]

i think they should keep a method to somehjow get Sleep Ability anywhere

[granite cedar]

i def feel like next game will have more comparatively inspired settings but FL still felt pretty memorable to me

[solar harbor]

||The Master Crown pause screen description notes that when one wears said crown, their powers become souped up, but so are their dark and negative thoughts||

[granite cedar]

i think the "most generic one" is abandoned beach but i still enjoy it

its kind of relaxing in how filler-y it is

literal beach episode

[faint glen]

Well it gave sunshine vibes, which helped

[solar harbor]

||Landia has pure-hearted intentions in that case, that being to stop Magolor from stealing away the Master Crown, so his dark thoughts don't seem to be amplified there||

[granite cedar]

yeah abandoned beach just feels

warm?

i feel like a lot of beach/water levels miss that vibe which makes them feel comparatively whatever

[faint glen]

My only gripe with that world is it had tropic woods at the end

[granite cedar]

i honestly find tropic woods fucking hilarious

[leaden terrace]

its so generic yet FL did them in such an interesting way

[granite cedar]

he has no relation to beast pack or plot

he doesnt show up in story-related boss rush

he's just

an asshole

an asshole tree

[leaden terrace]

like, ok, abandoned city, abandoned malls, abandoned towns

OKAY

HOW ABOUT WE MAKE THEM LOOK COOL FOR ONCE

And they did

[granite cedar]

we disturbed its sleep and now it went sicko mode on us ok

[thin forge]

abandoned amusement park

[leaden terrace]

that too

[granite cedar]

kirby really has bad way of interacting with trees

[faint glen]

Its just that like .
Idk i feel like woods is becoming an excuse for hal to not think too hard about making new boss ideas lmao

[unreal stag]

ye

it's very summery

[thin forge]

kracko wasnt in fl

[faint glen]

Like "oh we havent done whispy yet we can do that uhh . Its a beach so hes a beach tree now"

[faint glen]

I didnt say kracko

[granite cedar]

been this way since day one lowkey

look at sakurai games

[austere willow]

i dont think they really think of Woods as a copout

[granite cedar]

he got away with reusing exact same whispy woods fight three times lmfao

[faint glen]

True twin woods did exist lmao

[austere willow]

especially with how experimental theyve been with Woods

like

RtDL, classic

TDX HE JUMPS AROUND

KPR HE JUMPS AROUND ALSO CIRCLE BOSS ARENA

KSA: also jumps around but is fucking huge

KatFL: he can PROTECT himself what the FUCK

[faint glen]

I mean boss idea from the start not the fights themselves

[leaden terrace]

yeah you can tell they want to keep even whispy's fights fresh

[novel fog]

well in KPR he straight up walks and stuff lol

[leaden terrace]

for each game

kdl3 whispy woods did have him walk and it was horrifying lol.

[austere willow]

and KRtDLDX ||wait thats not Woods||

[leaden terrace]

LOL

[main fractal]

[faint galleon]

||Queen Sectonia boss TWO||

[rustic trellis]

me when dl1 and adventure are the same fight, and dl2 is just him not getting covid

[faint glen]

I just expect them to keep fights fresh at this point lol
I want then to make new designs as well that arent just the main characters from the game

[novel fog]

yeah, though main thing with the fight is dividing the arena into two sides (and having two players on each side assuming you have something like 4 players/3 CPU helpers)

[faint glen]

Like i feel like tdx was the last time there were new boss designs that werent just the main chars from the game lol

[thin forge]

i know, but kracko was used a lot too

[faint glen]

Aside from maybe one in robobot but if they existed i honestly forgot lmao

[faint galleon]

Uuuuuh
Susie and Haltmann!!!

[faint glen]

I mean not the main chars

[thin forge]

clanky woods?

[granite cedar]

https://youtu.be/sWhPMiNTZfU?list=PLYtpiSW7hexB_M9q_yqdWxwe5r1NBPYna