[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

[maiden crane]

give kirby a job system ala final fantasy

[ocean mauve]

I can see inhale (or even copy lol) being a Check function for kirby to scan enemy stats and info (lore)

[maiden crane]

although idk if itd work making one character able to be multiple roles

but the rest are stuck in specific ones

[brave crag]

I mean isn't that how Persona works?

[granite cedar]

simply do final fantasy 6 thing where each character is attached to one job

[magic gate]

I'd imagine kirby could have balanced stats as a neutral grounds to work on and enhance from there. kinda like persona

[granite cedar]

and make many characters available

[brave crag]

I have never played Persona.

[maiden crane]

kind of...?

but theres well
more than 4 party members

[brave crag]

Well, we could have more than 4 party members too.

[maiden crane]

so theres more to team variation outside of this one character that can swap roles on the fly

[ocean mauve]

when they accidentally make some random shitter like Driblee the best party member while Bandana Dee is low tier

[granite cedar]

this

even if game is theoretically 3d

[ocean mauve]

(rpgs or games that make the important characters bad accidentally drive me nuts lol but it's fun when a random one is good)

[granite cedar]

...star allies has the models lmao

[brave crag]

Could have the 4 friends, maybe Gooey and Magolor, maybe a new character as well.

[granite cedar]

almost every major kirby character has an hd model as of now

[junior fiber]

idk if they did make an rpg i'd like them to stick with the main 4 so they can be fleshed out throughout the story

[vale river]

He HATES necrodeus

[fleet prism]

This, but for a Kirby RPG
Us fans would be interested because of how it is connected to the franchise, but what about the other audiences? Those who play Kirby for the platforming and usual gameplay may not be interested in an rpg. And what can this RPG have to attract the attention of RPG fans outside of the Kirby fandom?

[junior fiber]

but thats just a preference thing

[ocean mauve]

I feel this

have a few and focus on them rather than a bunch with loose connections to the overall plot

[magic gate]

I mean, miitopia was pretty popular if I remember right and thats an RPG

[maiden crane]

we could just give everyone a job system

[granite cedar]

kirby is just marketable

[ocean mauve]

though doing a PMD thing where you have a couple of mainstays in the party and a couple of custom party members could be interesting

[magic gate]

plus kirby has high marketability

[granite cedar]

there was a time where he could put him into anything

and it would sell

[fleet prism]

Miitopia had the miis and whole "you set the cast" value

[maiden crane]

yeah

[fleet prism]

Kirby has no points other than being Kirby

[maiden crane]

but tbf

that sells

[magic gate]

kirby sells lmao. Literally once its out on NSO I'm getting the expansion pack to play amazing mirror multiplayer for the first time

[maiden crane]

kirby being a cute pink orb (aka being himself)
is enough for some stuff

[junior fiber]

they could make their own interesting take on an rpg with his copy abilties

[granite cedar]

i mean same with mario rpgs really

was there really any audience for that before they actually happened?

if game is good they will start selling and mario was an iconic brand to make it happen

same with kirby

[magic gate]

Really all they need to do is be cute and relaxing games.

[granite cedar]

another thing here is really

[fleet prism]

it'd be a risky move for sure

[granite cedar]

is that with platformers with more dialogue there will be an unfortunate comparison to what came before, games that had less dialogue and story focus

and ppl will be like

"why it can't be like this"

meanwhile kirby rpgs are entirely new uncharted territory

there wouldn't be any comparisons except for other series

[magic gate]

good point. I was comparing star allies to return to dreamland the entire time I played star allies

[maiden crane]

just give me bravely default gameplay with kirby characters plastered over it and i will buy /j

[fleet prism]

Those comparisons to other series would then be even more valid

[granite cedar]

they would be valid to an extent yeah

but thats not a disservice

because people compare games between different series all the time

but when its within THE SAME series its much worse

[magic gate]

For instance. "Crash bandicoot is the dark souls of platforming games"

[granite cedar]

i feel like at this point star allies will never live down it's reputation because to this day you can't praise forgotten land and rtdl dx without someone barging in and going

"lmao its just HAL apologizing for star allies"

like stfu please

[leaden terrace]

||This is my favorite ething about it. I know we're talking Kirby but I genuinely love it when things just, don't go as expected and we ended up having a sort of tragedy especially w everything going on, albeit Not canon which is honestly for the better||

[magic gate]

I say this as someone that has over 170 hours in star allies, its not a good game to the general populace, it buts an ok game to kirby fans already.

[maiden crane]

if people actually knew their kirby knowledge theyd say this about nightmare in dreamland or something

lmao

[granite cedar]

i mean i wouldnt say that in general because thats a dumb rhetoric to have

only company that actually actively apologized for a project is sega with 06 because that was a public embarassment

HAL has no reason to apologize for anything because their worst projects are just mediocre

[tulip hamlet]

omg fr tho, Star Allies is a fine game, even if you consider it Kirby's worst its still good

[magic gate]

I had an enjoyable time in the extra mode and HIAD

not the main game though

[tulip hamlet]

Way more than you can say for alot of franchises

[granite cedar]

star allies is a flawed game for sure

but ppl calling it unironically bad need to play actually bad games

[magic gate]

I like sonic 06 vanilla so I'm not exactly one to judge on if a game is bad or not

[ocean mauve]

biggest thing I noticed when watching SA footage recently is Holy fuck his eyes are HUUUUGE

[magic gate]

I mainly noticed how you go so slow for how much open space their is

[tulip hamlet]

Alot of Kirby fans a spoiled, one okay game and its apparently the worst thing ever

It's like the gaming equivalent of first world problems lol

[granite cedar]

literally lowkey

kirby fans ARE spoiled lmao

[vale river]

If Star Allies is Kirby's big bad game then we are SET

[granite cedar]

nah that's amazing mirror

[ocean mauve]

:(

[granite cedar]

/hj

[vale river]

AM is Kirby's small bad game

[granite cedar]

fair

[vale river]

[tulip hamlet]

I love AM

[ocean mauve]

Amazing Peakor!

[maiden crane]

i wanna keep theory crafting what sort of classes and stuff theyd make for a kirby rpg

[magic gate]

I found AM pretty good. Missile is one of my favorite abilities in the series and I wish they could bring it back somehow

[tulip hamlet]

Personally I think the worst is the first game, but just cause it feels dated which is totally fair

[granite cedar]

even if i find amazing mirror infuriating its better than the worst of a lot of other franchises i can say this much

[vale river]

Maybe move to #kirby-kingdom ?

I will move too 👀

[maiden crane]

i would replay star allies over like
sonic forces

[leaden terrace]

I hated playing amazing mirror but I can't help but just enjoy the rest

[maiden crane]

so theres that

[wintry turtle]

EXACTLY, || so happy that's not the canon ending for his character ||

[granite cedar]

if your worst game is the first game it means your franchise is unironically doing everything right

[ocean mauve]

it breaks my heart to know there are so many individuals burdened with incorrect opinions

[granite cedar]

me when i see ppl praising kirby anime

[ocean mauve]

ok yeah I unironically agree dl1 is probably the worst just cuz everything after is better

ofc not criticizing dl1 bc it was an early gameboy game

but like you said klu it just means the series improved like a series is meant to

[magic gate]

I don't agree that DL1 is bad at all. Dated of course, yes. But not bad. I actually played it recently for the first time on NSO, really liked it

[granite cedar]

its not "bad"

[ocean mauve]

oh I don't think it's bad either

[wintry turtle]

I love anime dedede and game dedede

[granite cedar]

but its probably objectively the worst

its short, its physics are a bit wack

[ocean mauve]

I just think it has the least meat on its bones

[magic gate]

thats fair

[granite cedar]

but its still enjoyable for what's its worth

[vale river]

There's something to be said about your worst game being an early sequel because it means you course corrected hard to the right path
In this essay my bias against DL2 will

[tulip hamlet]

Unironically, the worst official kirby game is probably that one slide puzzle thing from the gba, which is hilariously to think about, cause its literally just a slide puzzle

[ocean mauve]

dl2 was fun!!!!

[granite cedar]

at least dl1 is not super mario land 1

[fallen gust]

The copy ability is literally a perfect way to adopt something like a job system

[tulip hamlet]

gbc**

[granite cedar]

based meowtactic

[wintry turtle]

DL2 is actually good

[tulip hamlet]

lmao

[fallen gust]

Dreamland 1 is pretty fun

[granite cedar]

i agree, the issue is that me (and many other people) want other characters other than kirby to be in the party

[maiden crane]

i have not played any of the dark matter trilogy but theres something bout "100% or no true ending for you" that makes me go hmmmmm

[granite cedar]

and only kirby and arguably gooey have copy ability

[fallen gust]

Well I want playable dedede too

[ocean mauve]

to modern standards dl1 is basically a demo

[granite cedar]

i guess

they can do something like final fantasy 5?

where by default main cast couldn't equip many jobs so they needed special magic crystals for that

[wintry turtle]

Yeah that's my one grudge with the dark matter trilogy but hey it's the only mainline games that have done it so it's whatever

[tulip hamlet]

The animal friends could kinda work, they half have copy abilities

[granite cedar]

they work only cuz kirby rides them

[magic gate]

not in star allies

[fallen gust]

They don’t have to do ff5 per say. Maybe Kirby is like your main character and can copy powers from others?

[granite cedar]

i mean if HAL wanted they can come up with excuses to give other characters copy ability

[ocean mauve]

maybe kirby has the copy ability system to give him a lot to play with while the other 3 are more static but very strong in what they're designed to do

[maiden crane]

give them like
variants that arent copy abilities

[vast vapor]

dl1 is a good game but personally I think adventure is where the series truly started

[granite cedar]

my idea to balance this out somewhat is to give other party members unique moves that kirby can never have + abiltiy to equip elements

[vocal latch]

Animal Buddies or Gooey

[fallen gust]

I can already see magolor being an op black mage

[granite cedar]

in many ways it really did

[vale river]

Maybe Kirby collects smaller essences and Copy Abilities but then chapter clears unlock elemental abilities that Kirby can use standalone but Allies can merge with

[wintry turtle]

That's why superstar exists

[granite cedar]

dream land 1 is just that weird low budget pilot episode that reeks of early installment weirdness

[ocean mauve]

makes sense - kinda like dream friends where they have some really good moves kirby can't access

[vocal latch]

Kirby's Dream Land is like the pitch pilot
Kirby's Adventure is the first episode

[tulip hamlet]

As of now (iirc) the only existing characters that canonically have it are Kirby, Keeby, the amazing mirror clones, Shadow Kirby, and Gooey
(then the animal friends/robobot armour when ridden)

Tell us if I missed any

[granite cedar]

kirby's adventure is proper season 1

wow

[vocal latch]

LMAO

[vale river]

But unless this convo is related to Magolor Epilogue we really ought to move to #kirby-kingdom

[vocal latch]

[granite cedar]

ok fair

anyway to return somewhat to both epilogue and kirby rpg convo

[vocal latch]

Magolor Epilogue is a masterpiece.

[fallen gust]

I dunno dreamland 1 is snappy and fun to play

[tulip hamlet]

Oddly specific yet surprisingly accurate loll

[granite cedar]

gimme kirby clash game with magologue gameplay

[wintry turtle]

Holy shit magolor

[fallen gust]

It’s not like a favorite of mine but for the gameboy it’s pretty good

[vocal latch]

YES

[granite cedar]

its literally perfect

and it can fit any character

[vast vapor]

magologue style gameplay

BUT, as a full game

[wintry turtle]

He's cooking

[vast vapor]

like a spinoff title

[granite cedar]

yeah

[vocal latch]

I kinda find it funny how this spoiler channel also kind-of became a ||Clash channel 😭||

[granite cedar]

thats what i mean

clash game that is a full game

not free to play

[vocal latch]

Yes!

[wintry turtle]

Just don't make it the star allies movesets again and we're good

[granite cedar]

HAL is too powerful im afraid

kumazaki said ||i WILL make them give a shit about clash||

and oh boy did he ever

[fallen gust]

I couldn’t get into clash thanks to those blasted apples lol

Not a fan of it

[granite cedar]

not a huge fan either

but now i at least take it seriously

to an extent

[wintry turtle]

Me who already loves clash:

[vast vapor]

when the ||somewhat ignored spinoff suddenly becomes relevant to the canon!||

[vocal latch]

||It's very suspicious to me that Magolor Epilogue ends with Magolor starting in the Castle Village (and Broom Hatter's presence), which literally only happens in Team Kirby Clash Deluxe, a game that will become unavailable this month.||

[celest grove]

I saw this quote somewhere about Magolor Epilogue's ending: ||An apple a day keeps the god away||

[vocal latch]

||So I still have the hope that this year they will announce a new, truly definitive Clash game.||

[fallen gust]

God what is that man cooking…I love rtdl DX but I already want more

[leaden terrace]

HSBSSBSB

[celest grove]

I just find it funny

[fallen gust]

[wintry turtle]

God please

[tulip hamlet]

||Show me another dev company that adds a whole extra campaign to a 10 year old game for the purpose of giving a backstory to the freetoplay currency in an obscure spin off title||

[granite cedar]

i love shinya kumazaki i love hal crew so much

[vocal latch]

This mf (Epilogue)

[granite cedar]

sorta unrelated to current conversation but im also happy that against all odds rtdl dx is like super duper well received

and is selling well

i remember server being very worried about these things lol

[vocal latch]

"Hurr durr it's just a lazy cashgrab port why does Kirby get so many games "

[fleet prism]

me

[ocean mauve]

I wonder what the sales numbers will look like

[fleet prism]

It's been surprisingly successful

[vocal latch]

86 Magollion Gem Apples

[wintry turtle]

I think HAL and Vanpool deserve a good break this year though

[vast vapor]

the first game to sell one magillion copies

[wintry turtle]

Hell even next year if they desire

[tulip hamlet]

I think Forgotten Land really bolstered the popularity of Kirby in general, given this game came out not even a year later it was p on track to sell well, especially given its a remake of an already popular game

[vast vapor]

I expect literally nothing else kirby related this year

[fleet prism]

I was really really worried it'd be labelled as another lazy Nintendo remake, or even worst, a lazy Nintendo remake with a downgraded look, for outline and dedede dislikers

[vast vapor]

this and forgotten land were already more than enough

[vocal latch]

||I expect the next spin-off to be Clash but they could announce it whenever lol, could be late this year or next year or after.||

[ocean mauve]

kid named amazing mirror
side note I keep thinking your icon is donphan idk why

[vocal latch]

Kirby's Dream Buffet SWEEP 🔥🔥🔥

[tulip hamlet]

Amazing Mirror online is so cool

[granite cedar]

i expect non-game stuff

theres no way they are not gonna release music fest on streaming services and home releases this year

[vocal latch]

Magolor anime spin-off

[granite cedar]

but also

[vocal latch]

First show to make one magillion views

[tulip hamlet]

Right back at ya 2

[granite cedar]

i actually expect a spin-off announcement. like, unironically

because. the hell is b-team cooking

i thought rtdl dx is their turf. but its vanpool

[ocean mauve]

kirby dream buffet deluxe

[granite cedar]

lmao

[thin prairie]

They have been cooking up a feast alright

[granite cedar]

nah that will be on switch 2

[thin prairie]

Like jeez

[wintry turtle]

Funny because I really hoped the series would focus more on Another Dimension after hearing Scattered Souls Across Isolated isles and that's pretty much exactly what they did. Now I hope they do the same with || clash ||

[vast vapor]

OKAY I lied

I DO expect more games to hit NSO

other than amazing mirror

[vocal latch]

Wait won't we basically have every 90s Kirby game on NSO lmao

[thin prairie]

Kazooiee is a liar (and a mass attack lover) ! Defeat him!

[vocal latch]

That's crazy

Like legitimately

We'll soon have every 90s Kirby on NSO 😭

Well except Toy Box ig LOL

[vast vapor]

not kirbys toy box

no you know what?

[tulip hamlet]

Out of Heroes in Another Dimension, Forgo Souls Isolated Isles, and Magolor Epilogue, what's yall fave

[vast vapor]

add toy box

[vocal latch]

Unless they became insane and decided to make Satellaview games available

WHICH WOULD BE AWESOME

[vast vapor]

they’d add it before mother 3 that’s for sure

[tulip hamlet]

Mines probably epilogue

[thin prairie]

Magolor Epilogue

[vocal latch]

Magologue 100% 🔥

[thin prairie]

How long has mother 3 been in development for?

[celest grove]

the worst part about Toy Box is like

[tulip hamlet]

Based ngl

[celest grove]

it's not hard to emulate

[granite cedar]

my ranking

magologue > forgo dreams > hiad

hiad was the first so its the most flawed one, i respect it, but too much issues

visuals too repetitive, plot makes little sense

forgo dreams is much more impressive but reuses a lot of stuff from the main game (understandably)

magologue is mostly original and has great story

[vast vapor]

hiad is very good but owie ouch my eyes

[vocal latch]

Magologue remixes the stages in a great way.

[celest grove]

||magologue also ends with an original boss||

[vocal latch]

It's pretty but it's far too bright 😭

[vocal latch]

||And it's a fucking awesome Flowered Sectonia Marx 0² Magolor Master Crown Whispy Woods OC||

[celest grove]

||A reminder that now trees can be absolutely fire||

[thin prairie]

Hiad be like:

[celest grove]

Unironically I kinda want Star Allies to have an update just to fix some of its shortcomings

[wintry turtle]

Imo Forgo Dreams > HiAD > Epilogue

[granite cedar]

||HAL kinda made themselves hostages of their own mastery. now every whispy woods-like fight will look even worse in comparison to master crown lmfao||

[celest grove]

not all of it, but like framerate, some graphical adjustments

[granite cedar]

i wish

that is however quite unlikely

[granite cedar]

and feels like it's kind of too late at this point

[ocean mauve]

||maybe it's the End of whispy woods... (imagine end of evangelion but with whispy lying there instead)||

[celest grove]

it's never really too late

[tulip hamlet]

My fave actually whispy boss fight is probably either DL3 or Robobot

[vocal latch]

Super Mario Party had like the most random update ever

[celest grove]

A random update to Star Allies would certainly bump interest for a bit

[wintry turtle]

Actually I lied I like HiAD the most

[celest grove]

Super Mario Party had an update that suddenly fixed its most major issue

online

now applies to 99% of minigames

and boards

instead of just 10 minigames

[tulip hamlet]

Tbf mario party got an update cause of online interconnectivity, local play games rarely get such late updates

[celest grove]

nah

[granite cedar]

mfw hal randomly makes online update for rtdl dx lol

[vast vapor]

yeah but super mario party still sucks

[celest grove]

Super Mario Party's update had another purpose

[vast vapor]

[celest grove]

it was kind of a secret beta test for something inside it

[thin prairie]

Star allies deluxe

[celest grove]

I consider if you do a relatively significant update to an old game, people will talk about it

I consider 60 FPS to be actually significant in the game's feel

[tulip hamlet]

Re-release star allies but with Dream Friend Elfilin

[granite cedar]

60 fps for star allies would be dream come true honestly

[celest grove]

that said I don't know if HAL wants to go that far

[wintry turtle]

I still don't think frames matter most of the time

[celest grove]

I can deal with 30 FPS in FL

[vast vapor]

see you in 2031 for super star allies

[celest grove]

It really isn't an issue

30 FPS in Star Allies though... it kinda hurt a bit for me

same deal with Super Kirby Clash which has less of an excuse because it's all single screen

[wintry turtle]

I think 30fps would've been better for || Master Crown || if I'm being real

[vast vapor]

star allies was just unoptimized I think

[celest grove]

Star Allies definitely suffered from being HAL's first Switch game

[wintry turtle]

Idk why I feel like less frames make a boss more menacing

[celest grove]

Super Kirby Clash they had done the decision to use the exact same version of the engine as SA

[tulip hamlet]

While I definetly think more frames are better, I also can rarely tell the difference

[celest grove]

I can

I definitely notice the difference

[tulip hamlet]

so idrc between 30 and 60, even if I do prefer 60

[granite cedar]

tbh i dont know what it is but i feel like it would help SA specifically

if it was just a 2d platformer then fine

but there is a lot of focus on combat

and combat... just doesn't feel fluid to me at all

it's so. choppy

and rtdl dx just reinforced that for me

[wintry turtle]

I get that, I've just played SA so much that I'm used to it at this point

[celest grove]

you can get used to it

[shrewd turtle]

SA would be fine if it ran at 30 or 60 it just needs a consistent frame rate instead of chugging every time too much shit comes on screen

[granite cedar]

i want to say im used to it

but

[celest grove]

that's not the issue

[granite cedar]

after rtdl dx i cant go back.

like being real

even after demo. it was beyond weird

[celest grove]

And in any case it would be a huge boon to do the three mage sisters fight without the framerate dying

[shrewd turtle]

I wouldn’t mind that it’s 30 fps if it wasn’t so poorly optimized that it can’t even reliably handle its own 4 allies gimmick LMAO

[ocean mauve]

soul melter more like switch melter

[wintry turtle]

I still have yet to play SA or Clash again after DX

[tulip hamlet]

Iirc Star Allies had a 60 fps pause menu and 30 fps gameplay right?

[celest grove]

I don't wanna play Clash again

yes

Every menu is 60

All gameplay is 30... and less

[shrewd turtle]

I like star allies for a lot of reasons I think it did some really cool things but man it had some real problems

[wintry turtle]

Well Clash I mean fight a boss or 2

[tulip hamlet]

I couldn't go back to clash deluxe after super clash

[celest grove]

I did

I finished TKCD 2 weeks ago

[wintry turtle]

Idk if I could actually go through and grind Clash and beat all the bosses again. I'm still trying to get my heroic rank and level maxed

[celest grove]

100%

(by cheating with max gem apple tree because the eShop is closing and I don't wanna deal with the pain of using money on 3DS)

(but that's the only cheat, everything else was done legit)

[wintry turtle]

Oh nooooo thats right I can't legally max out my gem apple tree

[celest grove]

you still can

[wintry turtle]

Shiiiiit

[pliant socket]

Don't worry!

I did the same.

[tulip hamlet]

Iirc I just paid for max tree and treated that like a full priced game

[celest grove]

but it's annoying

[pliant socket]

Simply because i didn't want to spend my money

Im spending it on skc lollll

[wintry turtle]

I'd have to make an entire new nintendo account to link my 3ds account

[fallen gust]

Time to play some mini games and maybe try the true arena

[celest grove]

aside from max tree though I did go through the pain of farming stones and rare fragments

and 450 gem apples every 12 hours

and when it comes to SKC I already did 100% because I paid $40

I gave my mortal possessions to Magolor

To this day though

The only microtransactions I paid were for Kirby Clash games

(I still did pay some for TKCD in the past)

[tulip hamlet]

I wonder why of the 4 3ds minigames it was Kirby Clash and Fighters they made threequels of

Not complaining as those two where my fave of the respective main games

[vocal latch]

I mean Blowout Blast sequel isn't really necessary now that we have actual 3D Kirby

But a new Drum Dash would be cool

[tulip hamlet]

Either way I'm now calling the next game having some random end game lore drop surrounding the waning and waxing moon masks

[shrewd turtle]

If triple deluxe and robobot were anything to go by next kirby game is going to be more MK focused cuz FL was dedede focused

which will hopefully mean we see NORMAL Galacta knight again, kinda crazy that I’m pretty sure his fight in RTDL deluxe was his first true switch appearance that wasn’t Morpho or him under a different name

Although I guess his appearance in robobot was his only 3DS appearance so it’s not that weird

[tulip hamlet]

tbf he appeared for like 10 seconds in SA lol

[shrewd turtle]

True

[granite cedar]

i dont think fl was dedede focused tbh. it was elfilin focused

mk only barely had less screen time in comparison

[maiden forum]

I wouldn't bet on that

[shrewd turtle]

By “dedede focused” I mean it had dedede play a more prominent role in the plot, whereas MK didn’t really affect too much with the story

but yeah it’s possible they just won’t do the same thing they did with TD and PR so

I’m just speculating x3

[tulip hamlet]

Also liked the drop that meta knight can now just, refuse to be mind controlled lol

[maiden forum]

Seems like something they just did cause tdx didn't have any meta knight

[leaden terrace]

Just say no

they cant mind control you without your consent

[tulip hamlet]

Trueee

Amazing mirror is the only Dededeless main game right?

[shrewd turtle]

I still wonder what MK was doing during the dark matter trilogy, maybe he was going on a grand quest to get galaxia since I don’t think MKs sword being special really became a thing until afterwards

or maybe he just didn’t have any plot relevance.

[maiden crane]

wasnt his sword being a special thing caused by the anime
or am i misremembering that

[tulip hamlet]

I like to think he was getting ready for/recoiling from the Halberd incident during the DM trilogy

[shrewd turtle]

I think amazing mirror was the first piece of media that portrayed MKs sword as special before the anime came and gave it a name that the games eventually adopted

[vocal latch]

LOL I just realized part of this fanart became real https://twitter.com/yakiegg_Kb/status/1613107013080461312

焼卵 (@yakiegg_Kb)

ちょっとだけ期待してしまう

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RIP Real Dark Matter mask

[tulip hamlet]

Back then it was called the master sword, but I guess they realised why that would be a problem lol

[shrewd turtle]

Yeah I’m glad they adopted galaxia as canon, it’s a good name that fits meta knight methinks

one of the few good anime things lol

(In terms of lore I like the anime for what it is I’m just glad they didn’t try and make more of it canon)

[tulip hamlet]

I rlly liked the anime, if there's anything I still want to believe from it it's that Meta Knight still has thay strong accent lol

[fallen gust]

I know anime dedede has its fans but yeah

I way prefer the game depiction

Or the light novel depiction

[tulip hamlet]

I feel anime dedede was him before Adventure Wii/RTDL, or 64 depending on how you look at it

[shrewd turtle]

yeah as much as I found tiff and tuff to have agonizing English voices every other character has an absolutely amazing voice in the English dub LMAO

I love MK, dedede, the waddle doo soldier, and escargoons voices specifically

[tulip hamlet]

frr

The dub is unironically one of the most solid anime dubs out there lol

[shrewd turtle]

Kawasaki was another good one, Kawasaki in general was so enjoyable in the anime I kinda wish he became more of a character in the games even if it was a minor one

[shrewd turtle]

it’s biggest flaw is removing all the awesome music references the original Japanese version made

[vale river]

Coming from the non-spoiler thread real quick, sorry to interrupt
||So Magolor uses his ability to travel dimensions to craft or collect the different gear in Clash...? That's why he knows so little about each of them, they're from different worlds and times that he only glances at while swiping stuff||

[fallen gust]

Kawasaki had a big role in the light novel where he opened a cafe close to whispy woods

[tulip hamlet]

I'd argue he's become somewhat more of a prominent character, he's kinda been promoted from irrelevant enemy to uncommonly recurring side character

[shrewd turtle]

yeah idk ||we don’t really know much about how magolor created or obtained the armor and weapons||

[leaden terrace]

its amazing he had the attention he had bth

[tulip hamlet]

true 😔

[leaden terrace]

i love chef kawasaki!

[fallen gust]

I mean the character seems pretty popular. Hal seems to acknowledge a lot of the anime’s of influence

[novel fog]

||I mean, he knows stuff like how Galacta was absorbed by Morpho (if it is believed he wrote the descriptions), I think he knows a bit||

[leaden terrace]

eh? eeeehhhhhh?! sex

[tulip hamlet]

Like the fact he got returned in RTDLD for the sole purpose of showing up for 5 seconds in a minigame instead of just being replaced by a blade knight or something is cool

[shrewd turtle]

Parallel nightmare in clash was basically the closest we’ll ever get to eNeMeE being canon lmao he was even voiced by NMEs Japanese VA and he summoned monsters to terrorizing the dream kingdom just like NME did to cappy town

[vale river]

It's actually wild how Kawasaki is back

[faint galleon]

Magolor is a fucking nerd

[vale river]

Between Star Allies and RtDX

And maybe Dream Buffet? I can't remember if there's a Kawasaki color

[novel fog]

yeah there is

[shrewd turtle]

I think there is

[leaden terrace]

||magolors such a nerd that he witnesses non-canon events||

[tulip hamlet]

I'd say they've gotten some more notable head ups, like the monster teleporter in Mouse Attack and that one gym instructor dude in Mass Attack

[novel fog]

||is it really non-canon if he saw them||

[vale river]

||if you can travel between every dimension, everything is canon||

[leaden terrace]

thats very true

[novel fog]

||maybe it is in a parallel, but it is not like it does not exist||

[vale river]

||I guess that means they've confirmed the canonicity of arenas and speedrun modes too...? In some shape or fashion||

[vocal latch]

||I like to think he was one of the Dream Friends present there||

[leaden terrace]

||as non-canon as it can be i suppose||

[novel fog]

||nah there's more 'non-canon' things than that||

||like adaptations obviously||

[tulip hamlet]

I think the what if situations are like, alternate realities

They happened just not in the same timeline as the main content

[vocal latch]

me when

||Guest Star canonicity when it's wacky||

[novel fog]

||they seem to be considered 'parallels', like Clash||

[leaden terrace]

Guest Star making my brain melt everytime i think about it

[shrewd turtle]

magolor single handedly fucking up how we perceive parallel events in the kirby franchise

[tulip hamlet]

I find it funny that there's a parallel world where Kirby just fucking sleeps throughout the entirety of Robobot so Meta Knight does everything instead

[maiden swan]

Speak for yourself

[vocal latch]

||My headcanon for Guest Star is that Hyness' prayers opening that portal messed time and space up, which is why Dedede, Meta Knight and co. absorbed the Jamba Heart pieces again||

[maiden swan]

Thinking hurts so I take everything as simple as possible

[leaden terrace]

Thinking hurts so I take everything as complicated as possible

[novel fog]

and maybe Galacta (and Susie a little bit)

[maiden swan]

I’m not gonna respond to that

[leaden terrace]

and take out all the meat so i can have the core and eat it

that is how i approach lore

i dont know what this 'core' is

[vocal latch]

||```
https://twitter.com/Kirby_JP/status/1059641557672845312
Bonjam!!
When gathering immensely potent power, what was that
about other dimensions… right, right! Lord Hyness said
that a hole will be opened leading to Another Dimension!
He said, "What’s dangerous about travelling in
different worlds, crossing both time and dimensions~"!!

[leaden terrace]

||stupid stupid hyness||

[tulip hamlet]

||Mfs who gone around online proudly boasting to everyone how wrong they are for saying Clash is canon when they get to credit sequence for Magolor Epilogue||

[maiden swan]

||IT’S THE CONTINUITY!||

[leaden terrace]

||Im so scared for what is next now that Clash is canon wtf is Kumazaki going to cook for us||

[novel fog]

||時も次元 👀||

[tulip hamlet]

what IS he cooking???

[fallen gust]

[vocal latch]

||OH YEAH! this ties to Galacta Knight's appearance in Guest Star haha||

[maiden swan]

I don’t think anyone could predict what he has in store

[novel fog]

||though the time and dimensions terms are written differently for Galacta||

[shrewd turtle]

I didn’t personally have much trouble perceiving that GK was kinda just being tossed around what-if scenarios via multiple different things in different scenarios summoning him in to be fought, and Susie knowing about parallel Susie definitely gives me a weird vibe but it’s nothing too major

Magolor though? Magolor just casually creates armor and (canonically dubious) masks that completely fuck with what’s happened and what’s not because he just knows shit he should not

[novel fog]

||in different order and stuff||

[leaden terrace]

i have the wildest imaginations on where this franchise could go and even then they just uag, didnt quite hit

[vocal latch]

https://twitter.com/kaialone02/status/1232918534684135425

Yo-kaialone (@kaialone02)

"Today I'll show off the 'Dark Matter' set!

With that single eye peeking out from underneath the mask, plus the ominous glow of that blade, it's pretty nice and cool, huh?" (1/2)

▶ Play video

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[novel fog]

of course, though Galacta travelling through different scenarios would still sort of mean it is canon in a way/can be traveled to

[maiden swan]

If you told 12 y/o me that the butterfly that Meta Knight sees in the opening of KRTD was actually the grim reaper, I’d probably call you crazy

[vocal latch]

I like to think the only events where Galacta Knight appeared in the "main timeline" are Meta Knightmare Ultra & Guest Star's encounter

[tulip hamlet]

Tbf he is a mage, and given he has a whole minigame now based on scholarship I think he's always been some dude who just flies around learning about the galaxy and logging his findings

Lore Starcutter

[vocal latch]

||Crowned Doomer would def visit Kirby Café||

[shrewd turtle]

Being a scholar explains a lot of it but it doesn’t explain how he knew about how Morpho works in super clash or how he’s aware of ||marx soul and the EX bosses enough to make a masks of them in magoland, assuming the masks are canon and not just little for fun things||

[maiden swan]

||Would it just ask for apple seeds||

[vocal latch]

||I'm pretty sure masks are canon, you see him design them in this Stamp Rally artwork.||

[leaden terrace]

it was shown to him in a dream

[shrewd turtle]

honestly I wouldn’t mind this explanation lmao

[leaden terrace]

HES SO SILLY

[novel fog]

||and he knows the names of them, same with the gear in Clash||

[tulip hamlet]

||I wonder if he told anyone what he saw, like does bandana waddle dee know what he's actually farming when he collects from the gem apple tree lol||

[vocal latch]

||Exactly.||

[tulip hamlet]

Or was he just like holy shit apples

[shrewd turtle]

“Magolor gets sudden dreams of what-if scenario universes which is how he knows this” would be an explanation I’m totally cool with even if it’s a little contrived lol

[leaden terrace]

so i guess were on another stage of magolor discussion now huh?

[tulip hamlet]

gem apple juice

[leaden terrace]

||now we're realizing that magolor might actualy know so much more than we thought||

[vocal latch]

||In one of his Tweets (https://twitter.com/Kirby_JP/status/1270189117381332992) he says「モデルになった黄泉の騎士にツイテは、ボクもくわしく知らないケド…ナンダカむなさわぎがするネェ…。」"Even I don't know much about the knight of doom who this Gear was modelled after, but... I'm kinda getting bad vibes here..."||

[novel fog]

||still wonder where he gets some of that Clash gear from, like the legendary stuff||

[novel fog]

||maybe he is lying lol||

[tulip hamlet]

It's definitely not a stretch imo to say Magolor probably knows the most about "Kirby lore" than most of if not all the existing characters in the series

[shrewd turtle]

||well we’ve known Magolor knows way too much since clash released and they confirmed in an interview clash Magolor was the same as our Magolor, but back then I kinda just assumed he used the Lor to travel around time and space and that’s how he knew about all those characters. Now though I know that’s not the case so…||

[fallen gust]

tfw you are retroactively the most interesting character of the modern Kirby games all thanks to years of spin offs and a remake.

[vale river]

He put so much effort into the masks he does care about the theme park a lot

[shrewd turtle]

oh wow that’s super interesting for a lot of reasons

[vocal latch]

||I mean, all he knows is just what he saw. The butterfly sipping the soul of Galacta Knight and turning into Morpho Knight.||

[leaden terrace]

🍹

[shrewd turtle]

the fact that magolor saw that at all is sus as fuck

[vocal latch]

||I mean, he can either be the main character or a Dream Friend in a Guest Star run||

[novel fog]

||oh yeah, guess he just said he didn't know much||

[leaden terrace]

he cares about the marketing

[vocal latch]

Exactly

[leaden terrace]

AHSKDJSLDJALWDHWAd

[vale river]

LMAOOOOOO

[shrewd turtle]

Taranza don’t deserve this

[vale river]

Even worse is seeing it on a random waddle Dee in the plaza lmfao

[novel fog]

||probably did not want to find out more about who he was (at the time at least, who knows if he knows more now)||

[faint galleon]

Live Taranza reaction

[novel fog]

||imagine if he put the painting there himself lol||

[leaden terrace]

The poor dees not knowing what theyre wearing.

[tulip hamlet]

I feel increasingly sorry for the lil spider fella

[shrewd turtle]

he would do that

[leaden terrace]

dude he just does EVERYTHING he could just to piss off taranza

[fallen gust]

taranza is a big simp

no sympathy from me

[tulip hamlet]

Lol they'd wonder why taranza is given them such a horrified look

[vale river]

"Excuse me sir, I'm too short to reach the top shelf, could you grab me a Frosty Snow Globe?"
"Sure thing kid, here's your--"

https://tenor.com/view/doktor-turn-off-my-diarrhea-gif-18914453

[leaden terrace]

AWDHJOAIWRUY)AWr-04230232

[maiden swan]

Dark Meta Knight and Magolor probably bond over making Taranza as miserable as possible

[leaden terrace]

IM LOSING MY SHIT

[shrewd turtle]

It’s all fun and games until Taranza fights back

[vast vapor]

Lmao

[maiden swan]

Oh I see

[leaden terrace]

I mean Taranza is generally a pretty damn powerful character

[vocal latch]

https://media.giphy.com/media/8bsdcQy8iCnEzG7m77/giphy.gif

[leaden terrace]

we just dont know the full extent of it cus hes so not want to fight

[novel fog]

nah Magolor would probably beat him
everyone knows Fire (Revolution Flame) is supereffective against Bug

[leaden terrace]

its a good thing hes got rock type moves (gems) then!

[vocal latch]

Taranza might be the strongest but Magolor sure is the best at making him seem weak

[shrewd turtle]

Taranza and marx are both characters I don’t perceive as crazy strong at first but then I think about them a little more and yeah they’re both pretty strong characters

[maiden swan]

Magolor spams the surge

Ggs shake my hand

[leaden terrace]

also

magolor would be psychic type

taranza is bug type

bug > psychic

ez

[vocal latch]

All Magolor needs to do to beat Taranza is say some joke about Sectonia or just say his hair's a wig

boom

[novel fog]

oh true

[tulip hamlet]

I think that race of spider people in general are just naturally pretty powerful

[maiden swan]

Alright but what about race of beetle people

[fallen gust]

but magolor knows fire attacks

boom roasted bug

[tulip hamlet]

The lil bug underlings? They're like, slightly larger waddle dees in comparison lol

[fallen gust]

[leaden terrace]

sectonia didnt seem to have as powerful/potent magic as taranza, moreso better physical combat skills. but then again we only get to see her bee form

[maiden swan]

Magolor Surge is probably flying type

[novel fog]

I mean yeah, they can make gems, fuse with other things, use others as puppets, etc.

[shrewd turtle]

omg now you’re making me headcanon that the spider people race are naturally gifted with strength but are very weak mentally which is why Taranza has been affected as hard as he’s been and why sectonia was able to be corrupted by DMK

[leaden terrace]

like she just has

slow moving energy balls

zap

big boring gem

[novel fog]

I mean, she had same type of magic at least

[leaden terrace]

yeah

[vocal latch]

||I just realized Sectonia probably used her species' power of taking/giving energy to create Sun Stones lmfao||

[tulip hamlet]

Aww now I feel bad

[novel fog]

yep lol

[maiden swan]

She could also fuse with a planet-sized plant

Which

Is some witchcraft of some caliber

[leaden terrace]

meanwhile taranza can BURST, create GIANT energy balls that BOUNCE, shoot webs that turn into spherical cages, summon BUNCH of gems in succession

[shrewd turtle]

I wanna see pre-corruption sectonia using swords a 6 armed swordswoman sounds pretty rad

[tulip hamlet]

I wonder how many inhabitants of popstar just up and died during flowered sectonia, like she sucked up a bunch of life force then blew up in a planet sized explosion lol

[maiden swan]

Ehhhh they’ll be fine

[leaden terrace]

probably not that many considering kirby almost immediately killed her

[fallen gust]

No one died

[shrewd turtle]

about as many died when haltmann roboticized the entire fucking planet

[leaden terrace]

true..

[maiden swan]

Ripbozo whispy

[shrewd turtle]

I love how haltmann corps did some of the worst shit in the franchise and Susie’s SA desc implies she wants to keep doing that fucked up she and barely anyone points it out

[maiden swan]

If it’s not happening to popstar, it’s not kirby’s problem

[leaden terrace]

no wonder shiver star was made 😭 kirby didnt care

[shrewd turtle]

Like Susie is arguably the worst person in the franchise sometimes holy shit

Her Japanese SA desc literally had her admitting she wanted to fucking kill people

[tulip hamlet]

Infact think about how many Haltmann workers just blew up when Star Dream was defeated, like that was a whole planet of random guys just working their 9 to 5

[maiden swan]

She takes after her dad, what can I say

[leaden terrace]

the alternate translation is "I will exterminate the savages!" but idk if thats just as different lol

shes just using excuses to kill people

[tulip hamlet]

Hopefully alot of them like, evacuated or something

[vale river]

She a little confused but she did not get the memo

It's kind of cute that she wants families to stay together because she's been hurt

That's about where the cuteness ends lol

[maiden swan]

Now I’m starting to see why people depict her as a psycho

[tulip hamlet]

Then again we don't know how much of star dream was actually inhabited by people, it may have just been a tiny section in comparison to its size

[shrewd turtle]

yeah that ain’t even a fandom thing she’s just canonically a maniac

[shrewd turtle]

LMAO

[maiden swan]

https://tenor.com/view/magolor-susie-kirby-kirby-meme-susie-haltman-gif-25023318

This is a canon interaction

You can’t tell me otherwise

[maiden swan]

AYO?!

[vale river]

Fun fact! Bonkers has been in more games than Susie! This is because Bonkers is all-powerful

[tulip hamlet]

Love a girl who's a little wacky

just a little insane

just a tad psychopathic

[shrewd turtle]

Fun fact! Bonkers all-powerful

[maiden swan]

This translation’s probably to reference what her dad said

Where he calls all of Popstar a bunch of savages after Kirby beats his ass

[leaden terrace]

"My dad's been kinda mean to me recently..."
"Aw, really? It's OK, little guy. Susie will help you!"
(later...)
"Alright, buster" (pulls out gun) "What do you think about child protection services"

[leaden terrace]

trueee that might be it lol

[shrewd turtle]

I love how Susie’s story in robobot is a million times more sad and fucked up then taranzas but generally Taranza gets more empathy because Susie is kind of an awful person lmao

[maiden swan]

She sure is

[vale river]

Taranza genuinely did something good for Floralia, Kirby, Popstar and Sectonia

[novel fog]

translation? no it uses same word as original JP iirc at least

[vale river]

Susie did something good for Herself

[leaden terrace]

i mean susie clearly didnt have as much affection to haltmann since she spent like a long time in another dimension

maybe shed feel bad but would she feel guilty? who knows

[maiden swan]

I would not be surprised if her thoughts in the ending of robobot were “well time to colonize a different planet”

[leaden terrace]

meanwhile taranza was there the entire time

[rose dome]

||whispy was done being the first boss||

[leaden terrace]

wawtching sectonia transform and rule over floralia

not to mention hes the one that brought her the mirror sooo

by all means he is extremely involved

[maiden swan]

She seemed to genuinely appreciate his way of thinking enough to take after him, at least

[shrewd turtle]

yeah this is another reason, I doubt she felt all that much attachment to him when he was the reason she got stranded in another dimension. Sometimes I think her joining haltmann was both to knock some sense into her father and to make herself more powerful lol

[maiden swan]

Which is uh

Not a good thing in this case

[shrewd turtle]

Talking about Susie always makes me think about parallel Susie and how her haltmann insignias are replaced by king d-mind insignias

I wonder what that means

[maiden swan]

Sponsorship

[tulip hamlet]

Susie kinda just wanted to stick it to her dad and get a bunch of money, she also didn't directly cause haltmanns decent into insanity like Taranza did Sectonia

[novel fog]

okay yeah, ヤバン

[fallen gust]

I felt bad for haltman.

[tulip hamlet]

She was obviously influenced by him tho

[fallen gust]

fucking Susie

[shrewd turtle]

haltmann passed down his capitalism genes to Susie

but forgot to pass down his more redeemable qualities lol

[maiden swan]

https://twitter.com/awxtch/status/1605957585625964545?s=46&t=rP3wXcTPptPG_mWNDpoAvA I still think about this post a lot

Ashlxy Wxtch (OPEN COMMISSIONS 2/5) (@AWxtch)

Kirby Planet Robobot lore

#Kirby #Memes #Nintendo #art

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[leaden terrace]

qad9uQWpr-Y&PAWRAW)R&UAW(RYUW@E23e23

[shrewd turtle]

I do wonder if Haltmanns ruthless business choices were a byproduct of star dream or if haltmann was just like that

[leaden terrace]

I LOVE THAT MEME SM

[shrewd turtle]

LMAO

[maiden swan]

It’s so good

[tulip hamlet]

It's like Elfilis, it has a tragic backstory but it was already a turbo jerk so whatever lol

[leaden terrace]

prob both

i mean its not really a tragic backstory if its smth it totally deserved lol

[shrewd turtle]

true, you gotta have some form of cut throat if you’re the owner of such a big company I guess

[novel fog]

probably mostly Star Dream
didn't it do stuff like plan the invasion and all at least

[tulip hamlet]

He was going around robobotising planets I think

WASNT**

[maiden swan]

H: “I was thinking about moving our investments from military and toward more general manufacturing. What do you think?”
SD: “I am going to end countless lives.”
H: “Splendid.”

[shrewd turtle]

from the dialogue we get of haltmann when he’s actually sane and of his own mind he seems like a fine guy, I’d love if we learned more about his buisness before star dream basically took over

[fallen gust]

Haltman is very greedy but he does love his daughter and ultimately regretted making such a machine even if it's too little too late.

[vale river]

This is beautiful

[fallen gust]

I get the impression the assumed loss of his daughter changed him for the worse.

[shrewd turtle]

Yeah definitely

[tulip hamlet]

Susie seems chaotic neutral if anything, like she isn't blatantly evil but she's also blatantly a capitalist with too much power lol

[shrewd turtle]

oh I think she’s evil personally LOL

[maiden swan]

It’s Lusamine all over again

Except idr which came first

[shrewd turtle]

I mean again her Japanese SA description literally had her say death to savages and her English description says she wants to continue mechanizing planets and people

[maiden swan]

She got a rush out of putting a robotic suit on meta knight

[shrewd turtle]

In any other franchise she could fit as the big main antagonist

[tulip hamlet]

Minus popstar cause fuck trying that again

[shrewd turtle]

but I guess in kirby mechanizing the universe plays second fiddle to all encompassing gods of destruction

[novel fog]

well, idk why English one added that because she obviously can't do that without Star Dream lol
but yeah she's definitely not the best at least

[maiden swan]

What’s crazy is Star Dream could have theoretically went on its genocide spree had they not chosen Popstar

[shrewd turtle]

yeah star dream fucked up and that’s why he died

if he didn’t man he could’ve caused some damage

[tulip hamlet]

Tbf she comes from robobot which escenially had the highest stakes of any kirby game by the end, anything she does will look tame in comparison

[novel fog]

I mean, don't think it went full genocidal until it got Haltmann's mind/soul/heart or whatever

[shrewd turtle]

I can’t really think of any “sentient” characters (so not the gods of destruction who have very little character) that are quite as evil as Susie is, I guess DMK is pretty fucked up too but

forgo is too

Forgot about forgo

[maiden swan]

I would believe he’d end up “fusing” with it eventually given his state of mind

[shrewd turtle]

He’s an ass

[maiden swan]

Ha

Forgo forgo

[shrewd turtle]

forgor forgo 💔

[tulip hamlet]

She helps you but that's kinda because the existinction of the concept of living beings was at stake
That being said I definetly think she has respect for kirby by the end too

[fallen gust]

I don't think Susie's the most evil. She just seems petty and narccisstic.

you're typical ojou-sama in a kirby game.

[tulip hamlet]

In game having Dark Meta Knight and Taranza on the same team must be awkward as hell

in star allies that is

[shrewd turtle]

…and murderous, and ruthless. Those SA descriptions really didn’t do well for her public image huh

[fallen gust]

in one of those little SA animation skits, even Dark Meta Knight is afraid of Susie.

[maiden swan]

Put the fucking suit on

Susie said calmly

[tulip hamlet]

KIRBY GET IN THE ROBOBOT MECH

[shrewd turtle]

Evangelion but it’s Kirby

oh wow that’s terrible

[tulip hamlet]

yup lmaoo

[maiden swan]

Do you think she would try to get the Mecha knight suit on morpho

[tulip hamlet]

then again, the end is blatantly a gundam reference

[shrewd turtle]

yes

[tulip hamlet]

One thing I like about robobot is how they dropped that dedede is straight up the most powerful living being on popstar (or at least, native to popstar)

[shrewd turtle]

yeah dedede has gotta be the funniest Uber powerful being in the kirby universe

Kirby and MK have the potential explanation of being related to void or whatever the fuck for their power but dedede was just a funny penguin who wanted to be strong so he became strong damnit

[fallen gust]

The light novels basically point out that dedede is indeed very powerful and walks the talk

[shrewd turtle]

Bandanna waddle dee is another funny one

[maiden swan]

https://twitter.com/incorrectkirb/status/1523322270344744961?s=20 had to find this again

incorrect kirby (@incorrectkirb)

https://t.co/tZ1sGt8APu

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[fallen gust]

He’s not just hot bluff

[tulip hamlet]

Like Kirby makes him look wacky in comparison but in reality he may as well be a Demigod on popstar

[fallen gust]

Which is what I like about him, he’s like if anime dedede can actually fight

[shrewd turtle]

Dedede would put a lot of demigods to shame in power

[maiden swan]

It’s like eggman

[shrewd turtle]

Dedede would put a lot of gods to shame in power

[maiden swan]

They’re both really strong in their own rights but their arch rivals turn them goofy

[fallen gust]

Both metaknight and dedede are formidable warriors

[shrewd turtle]

dedede is a fat penguin with a hammer but damn it you don’t fuck with big avians wielding gigantic mallets

[fallen gust]

The power of the king

[maiden swan]

Yoma is your pfp Bonkers as a great ape

[tulip hamlet]

It's like a massive power jump, most creatures native to popstar are weak as heck or to lazy to care about anything, it's probably how dedede became a self proclaimed king so easily

[shrewd turtle]

Yeah lol

[maiden swan]

I wouldn’t call them weak as heck even then

You have to be pretty strong to even damage Kirby

[shrewd turtle]

The residents of dreamland all feel like saiyens with how they have infinite potential they just have to train to reach it lmao

[fallen gust]

Dedede is to Dream Land what Hoarah Loux is to The Lands Between.

[shrewd turtle]

Bandee is nothing but a normal waddle dee who decided he wanted to be strong

[fallen gust]

It’s actually an ape monster that Toriyama drew for dragon quest

[tulip hamlet]

I say most in a relative sense, like yeah they're are a good lot of rlly strong characters from popstar, but most of them are random waddle dees or something like a slightly stronger than normal chicken

[maiden swan]

I like my interpretation better

[tulip hamlet]

tho it is funny to think that every waddle dees has the innate capability to punch a fissure through the crust of the planet

[shrewd turtle]

considering Kirby himself isn’t even native to Popstar and who the fuck knows where MK came from yeah saying dedede is the strongest native Popstar resident isn’t a stretch

Hell I kinda consider dedede stronger then MK, so even if MK is somehow native to Popstar I think the quote still fits

[tulip hamlet]

MK is mentally stronger at least, and he has fell the strongest warrior in the galaxy

[humble crest]

||did you know that some masks have passive abilities||

[fallen gust]

Dedede's at least one of the strongest of pop star.

[maiden swan]

I would argue otherwise but we’ve been seeing Dedede as considered (in game at least) a tougher challenge in two of some of the most recent boss rush moves

[fallen gust]

If dedede tour counts as alt-canon, he beat dark meta knight.

[maiden swan]

Being The Ultimate Choice and The Ultimate Cup (Z)

[shrewd turtle]

Technically all 4 of the RTDL characters are capable of felling Galacta knight if we wanna assume the “dream battle” in RTDL is accurate to the characters actual strength

[maiden swan]

Wait

[fallen gust]

but Meta Knight is also no slouch given the mode in Planet Robobot.

They seem about equal.

[maiden swan]

Did Parallel Dedede come before or after Parallel Meta Knight

In Soul Melter EX

[wintry turtle]

After I think?

[tulip hamlet]

I think MK and Dedede are relatively the same in terms of raw strength, infact Dedede could well be more powerful but MK is a more experienced battler, being a warrior and all

[shrewd turtle]

Yeah MK is no weakling I just think that dedede seems stronger, at the very least he’s PHYSICALLY stronger (and seemingly by a considerable margin) but MK is definitely faster and smarter

[maiden swan]

Wanted to make sure I wasn’t mixing things up

[wintry turtle]

I've done smex with all characters I should definitely know lmfao

[fallen gust]

MK comes across as more skilled in combat.

[plain hound]

pretty sure robobot data called Dedede "one of the strongest lifeforms on the planet"

[maiden swan]

Probably not stretch to say MK has the edge in experience

[vocal latch]

We discovered ones other than Kine & Mine????

[tulip hamlet]

Is says he is the strongest life form on the planet, though it probably means native to the planet given Kirby exists and all

[fallen gust]

it's also because Dedede is lazy

[plain hound]

EYO???

[fallen gust]

likes to play chess with his minions lol

eat

[vocal latch]

Dani can you elaborate

Do you mean other than Kine & Mine mask or???

[plain hound]

TELL

[shrewd turtle]

maybe ping them lole

[tulip hamlet]

But yeah Mk straight up denying being mind controlled in FL is hard as hell

[plain hound]

you say hard

i say badass

[maiden swan]

Meanwhile Dedede

https://tenor.com/view/ah-shit-here-we-go-again-ah-shit-cj-gta-gta-san-andreas-gif-13933485

[tulip hamlet]

same dif 😌

[fallen gust]

Dedede is certainly very strong but weak-willed.

[leaden terrace]

yeah

[plain hound]

this canonically means Yin Yarn > Fecto Elfilis i dont make the rules

[shrewd turtle]

I think MK keeping some of his Jamba corruption powers in his FL fight is interesting

[tulip hamlet]

MK may have gotten stronger mentally since Epic Yarn

[fallen gust]

Susie somehow managed to acquire DNA from King Dedede, one of the strongest life-forms on the planet, in order to create this clone. It has the voice and look of the original Dedede...and it may be even more powerful

[maiden swan]

I’m not sure what’s more badass

Meta Knight outright powering through attempted mind control or an entirely separate entity being spawned from that struggle

[shrewd turtle]

key word: may be (it’s definitely not)

[fallen gust]

MK had enough of the brainwashing shit with SA being the last straw and went through hardcore training.

that's my headcanon.

[plain hound]

Alien:
-Cannot possess Meta Knight

Yarn:
-Can possess Meta Knight

[leaden terrace]

yin yarn's just built different

[shrewd turtle]

I mean to be fair yin yarn does some pretty strong even if we don’t know a lot about him

[leaden terrace]

not really hes yarn

[maiden swan]

One is psychological horror and the other is body horror

[tulip hamlet]

Honestly I think he got stronger since epic yarn, but yin yarn was certainly powerful

[shrewd turtle]

Very powerful yarn

[humble crest]

||I only know these 2 too|| 😭

[shrewd turtle]

[plain hound]

Yin Yarn toppled Dedede and Meta Knight, Necrodeus couldnt even kill 10 small kirbies

[leaden terrace]

if you put him on fire hed prob like

[plain hound]

MAN

[leaden terrace]

die immediately

[vocal latch]

[plain hound]

common Necrodeus L

[tulip hamlet]

Necrodeus was the closest to killing kirby of anyone dont sleep on him

[leaden terrace]

so much for being osmeone called necrodeus

[plain hound]

Dark Crafter straight up killed Kirby and Bandee

[humble crest]

I will try to discover if actually there are more of them later

[tulip hamlet]

Eeehhhh, they where frozen not killed

[shrewd turtle]

Necrodeus is at least better then DMK, he split Kirby into 10 weak versions of himself while DMK multiplied Kirby’s strength by 4 for seemingly no reason and only for one game

[tulip hamlet]

What is it with spin off antagonists being madly powerful and almost winning compared to most of the main series villains lol

[plain hound]

DMK is absolutely useless lmao

[leaden terrace]

okay you guys

dmk has very low self esteem

dont do him like this

[tulip hamlet]

Nah, DMK is a reflection of Meta Knight, and even beat him in a fight

[maiden swan]

Gonna split this warrior into 10

Damn, 10 warriors got hands

[shrewd turtle]

If it wasn’t for triple deluxe making him way more intimidating and SA giving him a banger as fuck moveset DMK would be a very disappointing villain

Defeating normal MK was his only notable feat lmao

[vast vapor]

DMK looks intimidating and is certainly pretty strong but if you threw a rock at him he’d probably shatter into pieces

[maiden swan]

He’s made of glass but also bleeds

Weird

[plain hound]

exactly MK was way weaker then then now lmaoo

DMK when Meta Knight brings in rocks:

[shrewd turtle]

Yeah I think it’s safe to say modern MK could whoop DMKs ass

[vocal latch]

He got a scar from that fight tho so

[tulip hamlet]

Of the star allies I'd say the weakest canonically is Adeline

[fallen gust]

god

for the next 3D kirby game, I hope either meta knight or dedede become playable.

[vocal latch]

That's actually true lol

[tulip hamlet]

Getting a scar > Losing lol

[shrewd turtle]

Canonically adeleine dies to a single attack from Kirby so yes most definitely

[vocal latch]

She only has 1HP...

[shrewd turtle]

I’d like to think adeleine has been training since crystal shards though

[vocal latch]

https://tenor.com/view/sans-bad-time-undertale-gif-14815919

[tulip hamlet]

Yeah she has more HP cause ribbon is there

[vocal latch]

SHE'S SANSSSSSSSSSS

[plain hound]

her health was boosted because ribbon lol

[shrewd turtle]

Because I like the idea of a random artist coming to popstar and then eventually becoming strong enough to stand alongside the godlike powers of the kirby cast

[tulip hamlet]

At the end of the day Adeline is just

A human girl
Which puts into comparison how much stronger normal inhabitans of popstar are in comparison

[plain hound]

Adeleine when I beat her head in with Kine the Fish:

[tulip hamlet]

Most people irl would get clapped by a waddle dee basically lmao

[shrewd turtle]

Mostly because of this art

[plain hound]

love this art

[shrewd turtle]

ikr it’s so good

[leaden terrace]

kirby with the scar.

[plain hound]

now if only someone would release that mage sisters vs wave 3 art in high quality

[broken rune]

more than 3 allies on screen at once… crazy

[leaden terrace]

i remember everyone freaked out seeing it

like "OMG KIRBY IS HURT???"

[fallen gust]

SA had some delicious fiery art.

[broken rune]

ribbon hanging on for dear life

[shrewd turtle]

and them fighting all three mage sisters, the actual game would be moving at a 2 frames per second framerate if that happened lol

[lost briar]

which one, there's like two of them

[faint galleon]

The hardest art in the history of art

[lost briar]

one with Kirby and regular allies
and one with Kirby and Wave 3 dream friends

[thin forge]

and then they all die when the second phase starts

due to that damn combo attack they do

[plain hound]

THE WAVE 3 ONE

[tulip hamlet]

Your switch dies first

[plain hound]

i want it in high quality so bad

[vocal latch]

its so good

[vale river]

It's so good wtf

[tulip hamlet]

Biggest power play was crowned magolor anyway, bro was just gonna make the entire universe his slave labour

[vast vapor]

everyone fighting except magolor who is trying to make a profit

completely in character

[plain hound]

such great art doomed to crusty resolution THE PAIN

[tulip hamlet]

Almost dying made him more of a capitalist than susie

[slender compass]

did they fix GD Ex's shield

in the original game when GD EX's shield broke you can still see og GD inside

[lofty condor]

She boutta die

[leaden terrace]

I RMEEMBER THIS GAHHHH

[slender compass]

rather than GDEX

[shrewd turtle]

here we see 2 chads fighting the mage sisters, Susie is also there

magolors here too I guess

[tulip hamlet]

Star Allies art went so hard for a game about saving the world with the power of love and friendship

[fallen gust]

lol at magolor

[tired moth]

up to some mischief

(as per usual)

[maiden swan]

Bombs? They’re yours, my friend

[thin forge]

people who say its bad irk me

like

who cares if the main game is easy

its still good

and the post game content

[tulip hamlet]

Fr who plays a Kirby game to have a challenge during the main story

[thin forge]

is amazing

[thin forge]

yeah we play to torture ourselves by tryna 100% complete the file

[tulip hamlet]

[lost briar]

i think people hated how the game played itself in singleplayer

[fallen gust]

I mean SA wasn't my favorite but I also think it gets a bit too railed on

[lost briar]

which basically was denying themselves a part of the fun

[shrewd turtle]

I don’t think SA was mid cuz it was easy I just think the level design was a lot weaker then other installments

It’s not bad it’s just weak compared to its siblings

[lost briar]

personally the way i see it SA is like way less frustrating than the other games

[fallen gust]

in a weird way, I appreciate it being mid because I appreciate how much the other kirby games did right.

[lost briar]

which means that those looking for a challenge in the story mode are going to be disappointed

[shrewd turtle]

SA made some of the best callbacks ever and the dream friends are a joy to control it’s just the level design that pulls down SA as an experience to me anyway

[fallen gust]

someone here said how like RTDL and SA are like polar opposite (RTDL being singleplayer game with multiplayer being an afterthought and vice versa) and it makes so much sense. As a single player dude, SA was just mostly kinda too monotonous for me.

that said, heroes in another dimension kinda had everything that the main mode lacked.

[cold pawn]

Star Allies shines bright in its Extra Modes which too few people are going to try.

While RTDL is a solid game even in its main mode.

[shrewd turtle]

If I ever play SA it’s to play soul melter as the fun as fuck dream friends lol

beating soul melter with friends while everyone is playing as a different dream friend is really fun

[fallen gust]

Star Allies brought so many fan favorites back, so I can't really rail on it hard.

[plain hound]

Kirby Star Allies:

Come for the Mage Sisters, Stay for the Dream Friends

[shrewd turtle]

I didn’t come from the mage sisters I came from the dream friends and stayed for the dream friends

[fallen gust]

I came for Rick and I stayed for Magolor.

[main fractal]

I came for the Kirby game and stayed for dream friends

[shrewd turtle]

I really didn’t care for the mage sisters personally I found hyness a lot more interesting as a character

Not that the mage sisters are bad characters I just think hyness is more engaging I love hyness

[cold pawn]

To be honest I think Squeak Squad should be called the worst Kirby game but somehow it's Star Allies (Squeak Squad is decent though)

[tulip hamlet]

Star Allies is a massive power trip

It's like that meme where you unlock the final boss but without the part where they're weaker than in the boss fight

Nah they're even stronger than in the boss fight lol

[main fractal]

Magolor and Daroach funny moment

[shrewd turtle]

nah I’d say they’re stronger when you play as them since you can spam their broken as fuck attacks constantly as opposed to how they only use them sparingly in their fight

(With the mage sisters specifically)

[lost briar]

personally i find that complaining about Star Allies is boring

now, criticizing the games that people find good, that's something

[tulip hamlet]

Thats just what I was saying

[shrewd turtle]

OH I misread your message sorry

[fleet prism]

completely unrelated but I just realized that he actually does it

[shrewd turtle]

brain damage x3

[tulip hamlet]

[main fractal]

||Dream Collections end credits are very sweet||

||And Magolor Epilogue definitely cements it further||

[ruby narwhal]

I was watching a ta run and found a small poorly timed visual bug with ||rampaging doomers, there should only be 4||

[vocal latch]

Wait where's Fatty Puffer

[fallen gust]

too busy hanging out on his fountain.

[cold pawn]

||a secret 5th doomer??||

[fallen gust]

because he's fat.

[shrewd turtle]

dead

good

[ruby narwhal]

I’m pretty sure I’m just being way too nit picky for something this small

[shrewd turtle]

Nah fifth doomer is a very important character to the kirby lore

[fleet prism]

||fifth Doomer is the crowned doomer real||

[floral mantle]

It's their boss checking up on them.

[cold pawn]

||5th Doomer|| is like Waluigi in SM64DS

[tulip hamlet]

It's the eldest one of the group

||Sphere Boomer||

[vast vapor]

dead

[thin forge]

i came for kirby and stayed for the expansive void termina lore

[main fractal]

||Maybe it's doomolor helper||

[thin forge]

||"bravo, other doomers"||

[tulip hamlet]

||You think Grand Doomer EX or Crowned Doomer is harder||

[ruby narwhal]

And now is the time we gaslight the entire community into believing that there is a secret ||5th rampaging doomer||

[rose dome]

magolor being a goofball

[rich meadow]

||Honestly grand doomer has always been easy to me||

[solar harbor]

||Crowned Doomer almost fucked me up tho, until I realized how to finally use Magic Shield||

[vocal latch]

||"He appears when you fight them for 86 minutes"||

[tulip hamlet]

||We need a twin doomer boss fight but instead of it being the normal and Fire one is grand/crowned doomer and greater doomer||

[rich meadow]

That sounds like something HAL would actually do... I will genuinely attempt that

[rose dome]

that oddly reminds me of revenge of dreamland

for some reason

[jolly valve]

||Twin Crowned Doomer and Grand Doomer EX||

[solar harbor]

You know what's fucked up about Magolor Epilogue is that ||I once thought there's gonna be a Frosty Woods boss battle, and then Master Crown appeared and I was like - oh god oh fuck is that the Whispy Woods counterpart in Magolor Epilogue||

[plain hound]

anyway Dedede/MK using Stage of the Partners against GK has me believe they are working together to defeat him

[main fractal]

Yes

Does bdee have the same as them or Kirby?

[leaden terrace]

||i remember close to release, we started joking that whispy woods would either be the penultimate or final boss||

the bingo that was made for it... its so sad LOL

[plain hound]

Kirby's

[odd rover]

Why is nobody talking about how the main four is now officially called Team Kirby

[plain hound]

I prefer Popstar Gang myself but Team Kirby is fine

[fleet prism]

There's already a Team Kirby in Clash

[vocal latch]

*Kirby Hunters

[fleet prism]

how about you go hunt some bitches

[vocal latch]

No.

[leaden terrace]

based pfp

[vocal latch]

I will play Magologue instead 😎

[fleet prism]

[thin forge]

i prefer

"the homies"

because thats what they all are

[jolly valve]

So what's a great ability for True Arena

[thin forge]

sand

[fleet prism]

me beating true arena irl

[thin forge]

bro used tornado

[vocal latch]

I'm always team Hammer for Arenas

[pliant socket]

based baro

I would have the hammer role but uh

Brown yuckyyyyyyy

[jolly valve]

I usually go for Hammer but

[ruby narwhal]

Spam sandcastles for the best dps when it comes to sand

[jolly valve]

And iframes lmao

[vocal latch]

valid lmao

[faint glen]

i usually go for hammer but they made it suck

whats a guy gonna do

[jolly valve]

Rip Hammer Flip

Twas Sakurai's fault. Sorta

[gusty current]

Fist can do solid damage as a read

[rose dome]

giving magolor a free house

[vast vapor]

sometimes sand lets you win by just mashing B lol

[glossy jay]

Omg imagine

Could be party based

You start with Kirby and always have to have him, and there's 3 other slots and you unlock characters throughout the story

[vapid kestrel]

The cutscene and song "Sudden Metamorphosis" is called "Transform Neoteny" in Japanese
So the idea is that Forgo is a larval form and Elfilis is an adult form, while the chimera forgo is a neotenic adult form

[leaden terrace]

ahhh

[novel fog]

thought it could be referring to Forgo in general

[leaden terrace]

prob just is

[vocal latch]

anyone have the JP of this?

[novel fog]

this it?

[vocal latch]

looks like it

yeah ok it's just "some world"

[novel fog]

do you need any of the other Magoland stuff

[leaden terrace]

me slowly realizing i can literally just use kirby as my way to learn more japanese

[odd rover]

#1077968255232254092 message I just remembered I got downvoted when I replied “But Forgo is already the larvae state of Elfilis”

[thin prairie]

Goober#1101 - #[SPOILERS] RtDL Deluxe

Speaking of weird Void theories I saw a theory that Kirby, the Knights, Fecto Elfilis, and Void display growth stages of one another and I felt like

Quoted by Goober#1101 • [618624060175286287] · Mar 2, 2023, 7:28 AM

[leaden terrace]

speaking of... wonder why they really played around w the idea of neoteny for fecto

it wasnt exactly the first thing that comes to mind for me when i see fecto

maybe that has to do with the whole 'ultimate lifeform' deal?

[shrewd turtle]

sorry I’m stupid what’s neoteny

[granite cedar]

i think it's because due to being incomplete

they've been reverted to their earlier stage of development

[leaden terrace]

yknow what this reminds me of.

princess bubblegum.

[granite cedar]

lol true

[granite cedar]

yknow i didnt even really