Tears of the Kingdom Leaks/Datamines

[sick orbit]

||Oh right, they haven't announced DLC yet.||

[naive hollow]

||yeah haven't seen him either||

[vapid bramble]

||can't wait for The New Master Trials and The New Champion's Ballad!!||

[sick orbit]

||I assume they'd probably want wave 1 with the OLED Switch pants or whatever out at launch.||

[naive hollow]

||supposedly no mention of Kass in the files||

[supple jacinth]

||which song do we assume is the final boss song||

||I was thinking it was the one labeled Dragon||

[naive hollow]

(story) ||Wind Temple boss and cutscene afterwards (note: few lighting bugs due to emulator issues)||

||I really liked the music throughout the dungeon, and the boss looks cool||

||also, there looks like 5 slots here with the rings on the hand, what's the 5th?||

[odd sluice]

||I'm going to assume it's Mineru, Rauru's older sister||

||Sage of Spirit iirc||

[naive hollow]

||would make sense||

[odd sluice]

||Sidon, Yunobo, Tulin, Riju & Mineru||

[humble elk]

Also don't think anyone has mentioned this here yet, but ||there are botw save data bonuses||

||the only ones I know of for sure are that horses registered in your stables are carried over and links house will have the champions ballad dlc pic if you did that||

||mfw I beat the game on wii u and not on switch||

||I know that's gonna bother the hell out of me if it's missable||

[naive hollow]

||is there proof (particularly for the horses thing), was hearing people debate about it||

||or is it just a rumor||

[humble elk]

I'm not playing the game myself but I've seen it corroborated across several places now

[naive hollow]

did it have pictures or anything

[humble elk]

I mean

Can't really verify just from ||pictures of horses in stables||

[naive hollow]

true lol

||and which save file does it carry over from||

[odd sluice]

||BOTW's Description for it was

Sword of the Six Sages
The Six Sages are said to have forged this
longsword to seal a demon king in the world
where the hero fought against the beasts of
twilight. The blade shines with a holy luster.```||

[humble elk]

No idea

Well I'm assuming ||it'll prioritize a normal file but I have no idea if they account for only having a master mode file||

I wouldn't be surprised if they introduced ||master mode in dlc again or something||

[humble elk]

||they renamed twilight bow to Dusk bow too||

[odd sluice]

yea

[analog saffron]

||Good tbh||

||Pretty sure iirc in the Japanese, dusk and twilight were two separate things||

||Dusk was good and Twilight was evil||

||Or well I'm assuming what they're translating as Dusk is 影 kage||

[odd sluice]

||Yeah, kage/shadow was good, tasogare/twilight was the bad stuff from meshing kage/shadow with hikari/light||

||Although they specifically use the English word twilight for the bad one||

[analog saffron]

||Honestly it's been a bit too long for me to say confidently what was what yea but a lot of themes in TP's story were kinda off in the localization||

||Would be interesting to see the Jp names of these TotK items||

||I say that b/c I thought tasogare was also good, only the English word Twilight was used for the bad things||

[odd sluice]

||yeah||

[odd sluice]

||Lol you reminded me of this video's translation fumble https://youtu.be/au4ZGt1MReA?t=236
The translator translated this as "Twilight Realm is a mix of Dark and Light World"
When Aonuma was talking about how the Twilight was created from fusing Light and Shadow Worlds
You can clearly hear 光の世界 (Hikari no Sekai) "Light World", 影の世界 (Kage no Sekai) "Shadow World" and トワイライト (Towairaito) "Twilight"||

[analog saffron]

||It's just fucked up because translator probably didn't go in with the context that the English verision caling it the "Twilight Realm" is completely contrary to the story of the game||

[odd sluice]

||Yeah||

||Imagine if TOTK didn't realize that Imprisoning War was an ALTTP reference and they went with something like "War of Seals" instead LOL||

[analog saffron]

||Actually now that I'm trying to refresh myself didn't Ganondorf claim near the end of the game that twilight is just straight up darkness||

||Like he had a line where he said he would mix light and shadow to create darkness right||

||Basically revealing that creating Twilight is like creating a Dark World||

[odd sluice]

||そして、我が神の　望みは一つ光と影を　一つの闇に！！
Thus, my god's sole desire… light and shadow into one — darkness!! ||

||Zant says it||

[odd sluice]

||Yup! He was trying just that||

[analog saffron]

||Ah yep||

||Man thinking about TP localization gets me sad
Game really is one of the best Zelda stories that gets punted to the ground by its localization||

||MFW "Dark Interlopers"||

[odd sluice]

||TRUE||

||Don't forget the funniest localization fail; they read "Auru used to be Zelda's tutor" to "ancient sages used to be Zelda's tutors" AND IT DOESN'T EVEN MAKE SENSE IN THE DIALOGUE LOL||

[slender epoch]

||Did they fix it in the remasters? Probably not I guess||

[analog saffron]

||Nah, I don't think they changed any text||

[slender epoch]

||"Remasters" they're ports what am I waffling about||

[analog saffron]

||Lol yea that was dumb af||

[odd sluice]

||Funny enough TWWHD had some slight differences between OG in text lol||

||Not TPHD tho||

[analog saffron]

||TPHD had 1% of the love and care WWHD had||

[odd sluice]

TRUE

||Weren't some of the mechanics literally worse in TPHD||

[analog saffron]

||I dunno I never even played it lol||

||In all of his fury and might, he was blind to any danger, and thus was he exposed, subdued, and brought to justice.||
||Absolute worst line in the English version||

[naive hollow]

||another one of these guys, I like them||

[odd sluice]

||literally removed the parallel to Lanayru's dialogue sigh||

[naive hollow]

||forget if I've seen this item yet||

[odd sluice]

||Minecraft||

[naive hollow]

||yeah lmao||

[naive hollow]

||another (mid)boss, Ambusher of Mipha Court, Sludge Like||

[naive hollow]

didn't get to get a good picture, ||but a hydrant lol||

||btw, water dungeon stuff's gimmick seems to be anti-gravity, not what I expected||

[dim quartz]

is there some sort of rebuy / repair / infinite weapon mechanic? because i see myself just hoarding things like this again to never use

or maybe this and the bow respawn?

[vapid bramble]

|i really hope treasure chest loot respawns this time

there were quite a few items in botw that were limited because they weren't carried by monsters

granted they were weak weapons but off the top of my head there was this rather rare wooden shield that was only really notable cosmetically

and the korok equipment

[vapid bramble]

at the very least if we have a cooking recipe list now, maybe we'll get an automatically updating weapon list as well

and lets face it, with how often i'm scared of using a weapon that will be so hard to get afterwards, it might as well be reduced to nothing more than its menu description

[vapid bramble]

||at first i wondered why they needed to change this name but now knowing more about the story, i'm wondering if they rewrote this because of the Sages||

[vapid bramble]

i realized i don't know the answer to this already, but does fusing something to itself do anything?
does it fully repair the item or can i get a stick on a stick

[odd sluice]

[MASTER SWORD]

[vapid bramble]

||it has no set attack power huh||

||then again it being obtained with just 4 hearts is a little sus||

[odd sluice]

||In this game you require two wheels of Stamina instead afaik||

[vapid bramble]

I see I see

||so I'm guessing when you fuse something to it you instead add to its attack power

though I dunno from that screenshot if it seems like it can be used without fusing anything to it?||

[naive hollow]

not best pics because stream stuff but ||Phantom Ganon is down here?||

also, ||Deku Tree bio||

[humble elk]

||I don't know exactly how it works but he can show up in other areas as well. I've seen it referred to as an overworld event where a bunch of floormasters will appear and eventually so will phantom Ganon. Idk if that means it's a recurring event or a one time thing that goes away if you beat him||

[naive hollow]

||idk, this looks like it was for certain event, but I did not get to see the before (and directly after) of when it happened||

||since it looks like that encounter might have to do with Deku Tree forest stuff||

[humble elk]

I mean idk the specifics but ||he can definitely show up in other places||

[naive hollow]

well yeah

||supposedly some hands show up and when going to attack them he appears or something is the rumor going around, I have not seen them myself||

||also the other pictures I have seen of him are outside||

||though, in that other picture he did not have a title I think?||

[humble elk]

Yes that's what I said lol

[naive hollow]

oh right lol

I forgot

||anyway, guessing some are random, some aren't||

[vapid bramble]

||floormasters huh||

||man, i'm looking forward to the enemy variety||

[naive hollow]

||there's a lot, and quite a few variants too||

[naive hollow]

||okay, finally saw the before and after of this, this encounter is not random||

||also yes you do fight the hands beforehand||
||there's bunch of gloom in this area, clears up after you beat Phantom Ganon, Koroks come down and talk to you after that||

||one last thing for now, were these weapons posted here yet||

[humble elk]

don't think so

ppl have said that ||fusing stuff to the gloom sword results in not getting the gloom effect though which seems super broken considering its base power is much higher than a lot of stuff i've seen so far||

[vapid bramble]

||tbh it could mean that there could be even more higher base power items||

[odd sluice]

||Yooo, haha, Deku Tree comes back after beating Phantom Ganon? I wanna think of that as OOT-inspired||

[naive hollow]

||two devices, neat||

[dim quartz]

||good GOD is there some sort of weapon repair / infinite weapon mechanic for unique weapons like this||

i need to know if this kind of thing gets lost forever

[naive hollow]

idk

[dim quartz]

[vapid bramble]

||maybe the boss can be fought multiple times for those drops? king said it was an overworld event as well besides the scripted one||

[naive hollow]

||yeah would assume the random ones would give you it too||

anyway, ||cool dragon||

[humble elk]

it's possible bc i've also heard that ||there are boss rematches of the dungeon bosses underground as well (not the ones before the final boss if you don't do dungeons)||

i saw screenshots but i don't have them on me now sadly

||the reason you could tell they were rematches and not just the pre-final boss ones is bc the caption above the name was different||

[naive hollow]

||yeah I posted pic of the Marbled Gohma I think||

||haven't seen the others||

[vapid bramble]

||what's the control input for the camera rune now btw||

[naive hollow]

||didn't get picture, but 'Gibdos' are in the desert||

[humble elk]

It's these guys

[naive hollow]

||ah, yeah saw those||

||also these guys (didn't get picture of the actual enemy unfortunately)||

||also see these guys are in desert too||

[dim quartz]

weird request: does anybody have a screenshot of whatever menu option lets you change the Hylian Hood from up to down

[naive hollow]

don't think so

anyway, mostly story-related stuff

more, ||note they make you prepare (like ask you where soldiers are gonna go) before this||

[naive hollow]

||supposedly pushing in right stick||

[naive hollow]

anyway, small bit more, ||idk how much more I'm gonna post of this area; also why much deserts suck so much lmao||

||midboss||

[vapid bramble]

dang that's sick

[odd sluice]

||Okay so there's no mentions of Malice/怨念 (on'nen) but there's mentions for 邪気 (jaki), which was kinda like proto Malice in ALTTP's manual LOL||

[naive hollow]

boss, ||this boss does a shit ton of damage, btw you can teleport out of boss fights||

||even with defense up stuff it does a lot||

||for second phase it summons Gibdos||

[vapid bramble]

||so like, it's the same as using the scope?||

||but it doesn't seem like there's a camera feature here in this preview, then again it probably could just be unlockable by purah again||

[naive hollow]

||oh, is scope different?||

[vapid bramble]

||scope is what was assigned to clicking the right stick in the last game and they probably aren't changing it here||

||but yes they are different||

[naive hollow]

||idk then, but pretty sure camera is in too||

||think I saw someone who had used it||

[humble elk]

||camera is in, you get it from robbie iirc||

||there were a bunch of images of enemies that leaked the first day or so from datamines, so I assume the reason those images existed is bc there's also gonna be a hyrule compendium again. Haven't seen it in action though||

[vapid bramble]

||i think we've seen the compendium tab on the menu already||

[dim quartz]

https://youtu.be/TUr0T-pf7Q4

[vapid bramble]

||looking up something reminded me of this
Zelda was a sage in OoT but she didn't have any title to go with it
but now this game gives her a title as the Sage of Time

which was a common fan designation for her in OoT||

[odd sluice]

||They never mention Triforce or Sealing Power in-game, though. Afaik||

[odd sluice]

||THE MENACE UNLEASHED||

[naive hollow]

||saw picture of this big guy, he is supposedly very strong||

[vapid bramble]

[vapid bramble]

you know i wonder something

... if enemy scaling returns, will Gold enemies as well?

[odd sluice]

||Little update on this: one of the Blood Moon cutscene variants is called DmT_SY_BloodyMoonDarkZelda_PreRender, looks like this is "Dark Zelda", might be Ganondorf using the same magic he used earlier to kill Sonia!||

[naive hollow]

||oh, Dark Zelda seems cool||

||though idk if the Zelda in the other cutscene is the Dark one, could be I guess||

[odd sluice]

||It's probably the same magic imo||

||Apparently it's Phantom Ganon?||

[odd sluice]

||little parallel between the two Imprisoning Wars||

[odd sluice]

||You get the Goddess Sword, now renamed "White Sword of the Sky" in the Forgotten Temple by the Hylia Statue in there apparently.||

[odd sluice]

||(the word "Malice" is apparently never used in TOTK)||

[glossy pond]

im confused about some parts of this

||does the descriptions imply that Ganondorf was sepperate from the Ganon that was in BOTW?||

[odd sluice]

||It doesn't confirm a relation between the two weirdly enough, tho I feel their connection is still obvious lol||

[supple jacinth]

||At this point I am confused about their relationship. I am theorizing that Calamity Ganon is actually some aspect of Ganondorf's power and some aspects of his personality (since the AoC version of CG does have some intelligence, though doesn't show much of its personality)||

[odd sluice]

||Calamity Ganon is literally inspired by Onryō, which are vengeful spirits who have such strong passions, jealousy, rage, or hatred that their soul doesn't pass on and seek vengeance on everything they encounter as things like natural disasters, the JP word for Malice is even 怨念 on'nen||

||Interviewer: How about Ganon?

Takizawa: When I first talked with Fujibayashi about the outline of the story, we talked about how "The latest Ganon is the same as Taira no Masakado's vengeful spirit." It is something that has become ingrained in nature, like a typhoon in the real world, a thing that is beyond human control. From there, it became a story of calamity. I was worried about the way to express it until the end, but there wasn´t much talk about the design. To begin with, in an open-air world, it is difficult to depict why villains are villains.

Fujibayashi: That's why it didn´t need words, it had to be overwhelmingly bad.

Takizawa: From there, we began to create a worldview by concentrating on key phrases such as ""An uncontainable vengeful spirit overflowing with malice" or "deep-seated grudge".||
SOURCE: https://hyruleinterviews.notion.site/To-Everyone-Playing-interview-with-Breath-of-the-Wild-developers-shortly-after-launch-a3003f9854bc402b82830b796e7f237b

[supple jacinth]

well that answers part of it There is also the question of ||What reincarnation meant for CG with Ganondorf's husk in the picture, would it have tried to become Ganondorf again, or would it have tried to become another entity, how does Ganondorf himself even come back (I forget if CG was obliterated or sealed in Zelda)||

[odd sluice]

||Calamity Ganon clearly tried to get a new body one way or the other, in Breath of the Wild it was building up a new body which was interrupted by Link, and in Age of Calamity he possesses the past!Terrako and Astor.||

[supple jacinth]

A bit of me wonders if ||Calamity Ganon is essentially Demise's mind, not Ganondorf's||

[odd sluice]

||Nah, I really doubt it lol||

[supple jacinth]

Especially since I think ||CG's goals contradict Ganondorf's, the latter wants conquest but the former seems to only want destruction||
regardless I kinda like the role reversal ||Ganon is usually the final form of Ganondorf, here its almost the opposite, depends on what the final boss is called||

[odd sluice]

||Calamity Ganon wants to destroy because it's specifically only his deep-seated grudge manifested.||

[vapid bramble]

||I think this Ganondorf is supposed to be much more older than Calamity Ganon is
being imprisoned long before the first appearance of calamity ganon
with Calamity Ganon being just akin to a force of nature that appears every few thousand years, I guess it's probably more like... a consequence of his imprisonment?||

[odd sluice]

[FINAL BOSS] ||The final boss is Demon King Ganondorf after consuming a Secret Stone, becoming Draconified Demon King, Demon Dragon||

[odd sluice]

||This seems to be the implication, yeah.||

[supple jacinth]

||Now what the heck is this, it doesn't even have Ganondorf's name anymore, is it even him anymore? ||

[vapid bramble]

||zelda is called the light dragon as well too iirc||

[odd sluice]

||The first phase is him in his Gerudo King form, the second phase is him in his Demon King Zonai form, and the last is that Demon Dragon lol||

[odd sluice]

||Yep! I heard that for Demon Dragon's battle, it's basically like Dark Beast Ganon but you ride on Light Dragon lol||

||So I guess it'll be more active than Dark Beast lol||

||A dragon will hopefully be faster than that giant as hell slow boar LOL||

Hm...

||Sealing Power is never brought up in the game, nor Triforce, if anyone's curious lol||

||I'm just glad they didn't completely forget about the mark appearing in BOTW & AOC LOL||

[naive hollow]

||oh was someone finally able to get to it? nice||

[analog saffron]

||I think it's pretty cool if they're establishing on'nen and jaki as two separate systems||

||It will also be funny because 'malice' would be a more accurate translation for jaki than on'nen||

[odd sluice]

||Yeah, it'd be pretty neat to differentiate them a bit while showing they have a connection lol||

[vapid bramble]

||i really wonder if all these amiibo weapon renames have a reason...||

||are they trying to imply they really AREN'T the actual weapons now that they are found in the world legitimately
i mean i guess obviously the goddess sword shouldn't be existing concurrently with the master sword but||

[odd sluice]

||There is a way but I'll reveal it later ||

[naive hollow]

||more big guys||

[naive hollow]

||👀||

[naive hollow]

ton of story

[odd sluice]

||Someone I know had the idea that these two Gerudo wearing those masks could be BOTW/TOTK's take on Koume & Kotake, def younger looking than in OOT & OOX that's for sure LOL||

||You can see one has a ruby while the other has a saphire on their forehead lol||

[naive hollow]

some more, ||for context first image is talking about why the fake Zelda/Ganondorf wanted them to close off the Ring Ruin||

[blissful nest]

Well

Probably game of the years

For many people

[dim quartz]

oh i'm curious when reviews go up

not for scores but i think its fun to see game journalists' takes on games i like (lol)

[vapid bramble]

honestly i kinda expect the scores to end up averaging slightly lower than BoTW if only because direct sequels to innovative games tend to lean towards a lower score

[humble elk]

it's usually wednesday morning 9 am est before launch for nintendo games

give or take a day but wednesday seems to be the most common

[vapid bramble]

5 more days i'm crying

but anyway yeah two days before seems about right

[naive hollow]

was looking at streams and saw someone got to final boss (unfortunately they got taken down midway through though)

[glossy pond]

||HIS HEALTHBAR LMFAOOOO||

[blissful nest]

Uffff

[odd sluice]

||Oh neat his symbol is based on 闇 yami (darkness)||

[humble elk]

@dim quartz (botw save data bonuses) ||btw your botw horses (in your stables) carry over, and you keep the Champions ballad dlc pic in links house if you beat that dlc||

I figure this would be pertinent for you just in case

||idk if it will update in the middle of playing totk so it's probably good to have these done before you start playing if you care||

[vapid bramble]

||I doubt the horse thing would unless they decide you can't register any new horses at all||

||the champion's ballad picture is so minor though that it should feasibly be able to just appear from thin air||

[vapid bramble]

||thinking about it, honestly it's really funny how the title of the game is only getting explained by these leaks
for everyone else it might as well be just called Breath of the Wild 2||

[humble elk]

||"we're not revealing the title bc it would be huge spoilers for the game's plot"||

|| >literally no one who hasn't looked at leaks has any clue what the title means

if they hadn't said it was a spoiler no one would have thought it was a spoiler||

[vapid bramble]

[vapid bramble]

||inb4 earlier at that point in development it was called Tears of the Princess Dragon or something||

[odd sluice]

Wtf

[vapid bramble]

||the funny owl/dragon/boar combo||

[dim quartz]

yo we got ||"aspects" giving us outright skins for link||

fortnitesque dlc incoming

also i was not expecting them to ||actually address the bluish, red-haired hero on the tapestry from botw||

[humble elk]

i've heard that this is ||the reward for completing all shrines||

which is actually ||a pretty cool reward||

[vapid bramble]

||that would make sense||

[humble elk]

god this game is going to be so good

[vapid bramble]

||did someone really complete all the shrines in just two-ish weeks though?||

https://tenor.com/view/megamind-discord-mod-discord-life-no-life-gif-26527354

[dim quartz]

thanks for the info, i do have everything in botw obsessively completed already

||i was into botw horse science and i filled my stable so im curious if there will be better stats in totk and what gear carries over||

||it took a lot of resets to get a 5-speed horse in my preferred color so it would be nice if the stat groupings are unchanged and i dont have to do that shit again||

||i remember finally rolling the perfect horse and then noticing that it didnt have my preferred fetlock length...||

speaking of no life

[vapid bramble]

||truly an indicator you were meant to be a horse breeder||

[dim quartz]

aonuma really said "let's put in hair options for horses but disallow trimming their fetlocks" 😡😡🤬😡💢💢

[humble elk]

I think it's actually only been a week since the full leak lol

Which is even funnier

[dim quartz]

look at my boy

[humble elk]

i just read that apparently (armor) ||every amiibo exclusive armor set is now in the actual game... except one. which is presumably the new link's awakening one||

[vapid bramble]

||well damn that sucks||

||i mean i guess i have both the official amiibo and an unofficial card for it so i guess i probably have some reasonable chance of being able to get it personally but damn if this shit doesn't suck||

||and then of course the paraglider stuff||

[dim quartz]

down with merchandise-locked content 😎

[glossy pond]

||what about the salvager's suit:(||

[humble elk]

Oh I forgot to mention, I think (armor) ||the only two things not in from botw are the Nintendo Switch shirt... and the salvager suit||

[humble elk]

[glossy pond]

||WE SHOULD'VE GOTTEN AN OFFSEER'S OUTFIT.||

[humble elk]

||mfw xenoblade's commercial success has now been cemented and they no longer feel the need to do cross promotion ||

[vapid bramble]

||wait so the ancient armor is still in the game?||

[humble elk]

||ok scratch that, three things ||

||at least from the dlc and amiibo stuff, i think the only stuff not in the game are the switch shirt, salvager suit, and link's awakening set||

||from the base game outfits, i don't think ancient armor is in, i'd have to look again to make sure nothing else is missing||

[vapid bramble]

||yeah it would be weird figuring out how to get that and what effect it would have||

[main stratus]

||make that four! the veiled gerudo set has also been destroyed||

||though the voe one still has sprites here so that one should be in, but yah anywhom 4 sets gone. ||

||which tracks bc afaik link doesn't need to disguise to enter gerudo town he just needs bare minimum clothing||

[supple jacinth]

||I am curious on the meaning of the 3 animals on the Zonai armor||

||are they meant to invoke the triforce goddesses, the owl is wisdom, the boar is power and the dragon is courage||

[vapid bramble]

yes they're pretty important in Zonai architecture in the first game

there are rectangular statues all over the game made by them and they are those three animals

[vapid bramble]

does anything replace the shiekah sensor in this game?

is it still here

[humble elk]

||yes _ _||

[dim quartz]

||is the beeping the same||

[lone ginkgo]

i'll call him "Clink"

[humble elk]

Goodbye.

[vapid bramble]

||It's over Impa. エインシェントブラースト[ANCIENT BLAST]||

[odd sluice]

TRUE

||Some of the lore here makes me just think they looked at the crackpot theories and delivered on them LOL||

[lone ginkgo]

wait how the hell would impa know that's what the ancient hero looks like

[vapid bramble]

||because the tapestry is on her wall?||

[analog saffron]

I’m so confused what am I looking at

[humble elk]

it's the ||reward for completing all shrines; it's an outfit of the hero from 10,000 years ago||

[lone ginkgo]

the person in the tapestry had orange skin, not green

[analog saffron]

||so why was the ancient hero a green dog thing||

[lone ginkgo]

zonai

[vapid bramble]

||still it's a depiction of the hero from 10,000 years prior||

[odd sluice]

https://www.reddit.com/r/tearsofthekingdom/comments/13cy8iz/totk_very_early_development_footage/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=android_app&utm_name=androidcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button

[humble elk]

Does anyone know how much ||botw save data stuff|| there is

I'm seeing some ppl say ||npcs will interact differently too|| and if that's true then 💀

[blissful nest]

Rip the question I’ve this is true how are they going in this

[little panther]

Flower girl gonna immediately remember us and just attack us

[viral fog]

||Can't believe that everything in this mural has appeared in a way lol. Even Dragon Ganon||

[humble elk]

||i did all of the great plateau stuff in champion's ballad in botw but idk if i want to do the rest before totk||

||but i do want that pic in link's house ||

mfw ||botw save data bonuses when wii u existed||

[analog saffron]

||Speaking of Dragon Ganon, I used to point out how I thought maybe Calamity Ganon's different forms were a reference to Puppet Ganon in WW||

||Dude starts off as a serpent trail of smoke, turns into a spider, then turns into a pig||

||While Puppet Ganon goes backwards being a standard puppet of Ganon (Who is a pig) into a spider into a serpent||

[humble elk]

I do not care enough about the ||picture ||

I think I want to play this as soon as it comes out in japan

[vapid bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-dry-thirsty-sweating-i-dont-need-it-gif-14344219

[humble elk]

[odd sluice]

Found a higher quality picture of the ||Ancient Hero's Aspect||

[vapid bramble]

||huh ok so it's a full body suit surely

I guess it's not surprising they didn't want to make it able mix with other outfits||

but also ||original champion tunic? is that actually obtainable or just part of the mod||

[odd sluice]

||It's called the "Tunic of Memories" and it is available yea||

[vapid bramble]

oh so that sounds like an amiibo reward if I heard one

[glossy pond]

Xenoblade fans

[viral fog]

||Wonder why they decided to retire Teba. Too old? Didn't wanna be fully close to AoC's new champions?||

[humble elk]

||to keep with the theme of the young taking over for the old I would guess||

||teba kind of sticks out from the rest of the champion successors in that he's very much an old fart, both in actual age and personality||

||tulin better represents that youthful energy/hope for the future||

||even paya takes over in place of impa afaik||

[viral fog]

||Makes sense. Loved him in AoC so at least he got to shine there. Imma miss him||

[humble elk]

||he was too much of a monster in aoc, they had to nerf him out of the story so he wouldn't solo Ganondorf by himself smh||

[viral fog]

True!

[vapid bramble]

||also they seemed to make a point that Teba has like

no special abilities, he's trying to emulate revali but doesn't have the ability to make a gust like him||

||meanwhile Tulin does in this game||

[glossy pond]

||That made him more badass if you ask me||

||sheer grit||

[glossy pond]

Still not over this, its so funny

||It looks like he’s hacking||

[supple jacinth]

WARNING WARNING WARNING!!! A tuber named Gamer’s Little Playground has posted the entire game on their channel.

I will not share the link for now

[naive hollow]

oh nice

makes sense, pretty sure embargo is up

oh right, it's Thursday (Friday in some time zones) anyway

[odd sluice]

holy shit this goes hard ||https://youtu.be/Lr8tZy0Z0mI||

||https://youtu.be/t4XdgFiH0KM||

[odd sluice]

they literally show a shot of the pre-final boss cutscene in the back of the box bruh

[lilac siren]

Someone f*cked up lol

[odd sluice]

true

[naive hollow]

lmao why

[odd sluice]

IDK

[slender epoch]

Wait a minute

[odd sluice]

[FINAL BOSS] ||Comparison between the transforming Demon Dragon & Calamity Ganon's spectral form||

Pretty cool visual nod design-wise

[glossy pond]

Im waitin

[odd sluice]

same

[humble elk]

Peak gaming incoming

It's here

[glossy pond]

@humble elk are you spoiling yourself on the bosses

[humble elk]

I already know what they look like

I don't know how to beat them though

I watched like 10 seconds of one of them

[glossy pond]

gotcha

i wanted to talk about ||Queen Gibdo and how terrifying it is that it implies that gibdo are actually bugs reanimating the carcasses of dead people||

[humble elk]

||is that the implication

I did see that some of them have wings||

[glossy pond]

||well i havent seen gibdos be bugs before now||

[mighty stump]

I may be stupid

ignore me

[harsh zodiac]

So here is the question, does thus game do stuff different enough from BOTW not only to justify as a sequel but deserving its 70$ pricetag as well?

[vapid bramble]

i feel like the 10/10 reviews should probably tell you a lot

[harsh zodiac]

Thats because they dont consider if its the same game as the previous one while scoring games

BOTW was good so TOTK scores gonna be good too. Its literally using the same map

[humble elk]

If anything there was a greater chance for it to score lower bc it was using the same map (theoretically anyways, I think the game feels much different)

It needed to pass a higher bar so it didn't feel like more of the same

So the good reviews are fairly indicative that the reused map wasn't an issue for many ppl

[supple jacinth]

MASSIVE SPOILERS for the arc before the final boss scenario, this arc plays after you complete the arcs for the other champions. Only click if you already know about this arc and know precisely what I mean ||What is the element represented by Mineru, the final sage.||

[supple jacinth]

another massive spoiler for the backstory storyline
|| Wait so it is said that the Hyrulian Royalty are descendants from Zonai and Hyrulian relationships, but from what I can tell we don't see if Rauru and Sonia had a kid before they met their demise. So... makes you wonder if it is a lie in one way or another or if they actual had a kid but just never saw them. Maybe this is all future DLC fodder.||

[glossy pond]

i was actually thinking about this too, ||i guess there's just some baby tucked away somewhere||

[analog saffron]

||I haven't been paying attention to the story that much, is the backstory of this game actually set at the founding of Hyrule||

[humble elk]

The game says that ||rauru and Sonia are the first king and queen of hyrule||

[analog saffron]

||Whack||

||Also I'm glad we finally got a queen's name in Zelda||

||Wait wow I have given 0 thought about this beforehand but that means that ToTK Ganondorf predates OoT Ganondorf???? Wtf that's actually crazy||

||I guess I should just
Actually learn all of TotK's story rather than having like 5% of the context but are they the same Ganondorf? My first reaction was 'so there are two Ganondorfs????? but then actually I'm trying to think about if there's anything about OoT Ganondorf that wouldn't be possible for him to have existed since the founding of the kingdom and nothing's coming up at the moment||

||I mean the big thing is that I always assumed Ganondorf was a regular human/Gerudo before he touched the Triforce (Or in the case of the TP timeline when he got executed and resurrected by the triforce of power fueling his malice) but from my limited knowledge of TotK he's already a demon right||

[naive hollow]

||he probably has no direct relation to whatever other Ganondorf you are talking about, he was sealed for a long time by Rauru's arm and stuff; also he is a 'Demon King', idk if they ever call himself a demon (though it would probably be after he got Sonia's Secret Stone)||
||I do not know if TotK is really directly connected to any other game besides BotW||

why does the spoiler tags put a space like that lol

thanks Discord

[humble elk]

||tbh with the stuff they included it barely even connects to botw substantially lol||

||they basically just did whatever they wanted to set up the plot for this game||

||which i think probably leads to more interesting stories but will drive lore enthusiasts insane||

[naive hollow]

||I mean bit of the characters are returning and past events are referenced and stuff but yeah||

[humble elk]

||i mean more in terms of overall lore, since yeah it's not like botw completely didn't happen||

||it's funny though since they don't acknowledge divine beasts or shrines or any of that sheikah tech being almost gone besides the stuff related to purah||

[naive hollow]

||yeah lmao, are Champions even mentioned||

[humble elk]

||"yeah that's called vah medoh's perch"
ma'am what happened to vah medoh||

[humble elk]

i've only done the ||rito quest, but so far i don't think so||

||it's funny, they even talk about how tulin is so special for being able to summon gusts of wind, yet no one makes the obvious comparison to revali and revali's gale. maybe they just don't know in this day and age ig? but you'd think they would at least know from link or something||

[analog saffron]

||Oh yea TotK Ganon was sealed right from the backstory to TotK true||

[humble elk]

i'm telling you

||skyward sword split baybeeee||

||split this timeline into even more branches||

[analog saffron]

||is there any reason it would be split though||

||Like does anything in TotK’s backstory just straight up not make sense without a split||

[humble elk]

tbh i wouldn't know, i was just making a joke

i don't know the actual specifics deeply enough to say, i just know vague details about what happens

[analog saffron]

||Honestly quite insane we just have 3 Ganons now||

[humble elk]

it's weird as hell though, since ||they talk about the first king and queen of hyrule here but they do also reference past games so much so it could just be following up from their statement about how botw is like a billion years in the future||

||this could just be a separate hyrule that was created no||

[analog saffron]

||It could be yea, we have funny nee hyrule in adult timeline that also does that after all||

||But like unless BotW and TotK takes place in new hyrule I think it’d be weird to just assume that this is a different hyrule that was never directly introduced||

||Also is the triforce relevant at all in this game lol||

[naive hollow]

||not really, I know the visual motif or whatever is on some stuff but that's about it I think||

[supple jacinth]

I this point I wouldn’t be surprised if they ||retconned that this new era has nothing to do with the past games||

[naive hollow]

||like here, also the Royal Crest||

[glossy pond]

@analog saffron hey can i talk timeline shit with you about this game

[analog saffron]

Yea sure

[glossy pond]

okay

||this game makes no fucking sense ||

[analog saffron]

Lmfao

[glossy pond]

||i cannot for the life of me wrap my head around how this, and subsequently BOTW, are supposed to fit in to the timeline, if at all||

[analog saffron]

||I think some people here suspect BotW and TotK are just their own separate thing that has nothing to do with the timeline/is a different split of the timeline which I think would be funny af||

[glossy pond]

||yea thats basically how (i have to) look at it as well||

somth like this

[analog saffron]

||Out of curiosity what about TotK is it that you think doesn't make sense with the timeline
Because I've only took quick glances at its story and stuff and haven't thought about it much||

[glossy pond]

guess it could also be this

[glossy pond]

okay, so

||(Major story spoilers) If Rauru and Sonia really are the original, first founders of Hyrule, then that means that Zelda travels back to a time that follows Skyward Sword and predates Minish cap.

This means there are now both two Zelda's and Master Swords throughout all the other games following Skyward Sword
But most importantly, 2 Ganondorfs/Incarnations of Demise. One fucking around each game, while another dehydrates under Hyrule Castle
Im like 90% sure there cant be two of those at a time
Sure, you could fix those with retcons, but, like, thats lame||

[analog saffron]

||Oh do they leave the Master Sword in the past or some shit again||

[glossy pond]

||Link transports the broken Master Sword through time to Zelda, so that by the time Link reunites with her, she's been healing it to a fixed state ever since the very founding of Hyrule||

[analog saffron]

||As for the two Ganons thing, that's weird even if BotW and TotK aren't connected to any other games because even with only these two games, Calamity Ganon exists at the same time as Ganondorf is being a raisin in the ground||

[humble elk]

the ||time bullshit|| is fucking weiiiird man

[analog saffron]

||Well there's also two master swords during Skyward Sword since Link stabs it into the Sealed Temple in the past||

[humble elk]

||bc that also means there's literally two of the same botw zelda||

(MASSIVE SPOILERS) ||the one that's a dragon the whole time and the one that's just. you know living normally before the calamity||

[analog saffron]

||Also now that I think about it I feel like it kinda sucks BotW and TotK just worfed the Master Sword so hard
Like it was always known as this invincible blade that was the absolute antithesis to demons and then it rusts in BotW and in TotK Ganondorf literally just breaks it because he's more evil than it is holy ig||

[humble elk]

Sword that Rusts from the Darkness

[glossy pond]

||there's a cutscene in TOTK that implies the master sword can grow infinitely powerful, which, like, ok ||

[analog saffron]

||I mean again Skyward Sword also did that with Zelda ||

[glossy pond]

||this is basically the proposed timeline of events that sucks ass and i dont want||

[analog saffron]

||Wait so Zelda transforms into a dragon and just has been around since the founding of Hyrule up to TotK as a dragon???||

[glossy pond]

think this one

[glossy pond]

or this one is better

[glossy pond]

yep

[analog saffron]

||Wtf was she doing that entire time couldn't she have like. Helped out. Does she not have any powers as a dragon||

[humble elk]

yea it's different from ||skyward sword||

[glossy pond]

||as a closed timeloop||

[analog saffron]

||Well no Zelda also went into the past in SS and literally just stayed there until the present||

[glossy pond]

||well she was in like amber but yea, same deal||

[analog saffron]

||Immortal dragon, amber, same difference||

[glossy pond]

||in Skyward Sword she did it to keep Demise sealed until he could be killed, while in Tears of the Kingdom she does it to heal the Master Sword and remain alive and defending the blade until Link can recover it ||

[humble elk]

oh i forgot about that part

i just thought she ||stayed in the past for a bit||

[analog saffron]

||They really said Zelda living 100 years inside Calamity Ganon wasn't enough girl has to live as a dragon for all of hyrule's history lmao||

[glossy pond]

LMFAO

||THEY DONT KNOW HOW TO MAKE HER RELEVANT IM SORRY||

||but this has been a Zelda problem forever ||

[humble elk]

||i'm not entirely sure bc i haven't watched all the cutscenes yet but one of them implies you completely lose your sense of self when you become a dragon||

[glossy pond]

||Spirit Tracks was the only game they did this right in. And i mean that genuinely||

[humble elk]

||so that could be their handwave-y explanation for why she doesn't do jack shit before||

||i mean you could view it as not doing anything to disturb what's already happened too ig ||

[analog saffron]

Lol

[glossy pond]

||yea, its essentially a sacrifice on Zelda's part until the very very post final boss end where the spirits of Rauru and Sonia basically go "nah dw we got you two" and turns them back||

||they essentially fridge Zelda for 10 billion years yeah ||

[humble elk]

literally bro

i need to play ||spirit tracks|| sometime

but i gotta get through ||phantom hourglass|| first

[analog saffron]

||But honestly is there anything about TotK that's a solid contradiction to the timeline or is it just "Um that's fucking weird"||

[glossy pond]

you kinda dont have to but i respect the dedication

[humble elk]

i want to play all zelda games anyways

i played through original loz and zelda 2, i got the worst ones out of the way

[analog saffron]

||I guess biggest thing is again that there have been other demon kings while TotK Ganondorf has just. Not been dead the entire time during those||

[humble elk]

||biggest thing would probably be with ganon i'm assuming, but yea idk the specifics yet||

[analog saffron]

||I think it's pretty interesting TotK never uses the word malice
At least that's what I heard, wonder if there's any significance to that||

[humble elk]

idk

[glossy pond]

||honestly its less direct contradiction and moreso "how the fuck can there be two incarnations of Demise's curse fucking around at the same time" with also a side of "wym there's been two Master Swords present in the world for all history and there was never any Super Sage character that said "hey I can feel two of them, there's another one fucking around in the sky I guess"||

[humble elk]

they really go out of their way to not ||address botw much though lmao||

like in terms of big overall lore

[glossy pond]

||saved for DLC, obviously ||

[humble elk]

i still think it could just be ||it's so far ahead this is just a new hyrule we're talking about that was founded (bc devs said fuck it) but ig that's a less satisfying answer||

[glossy pond]

||I'd fuck with that more tbh||

it solves a lot

[analog saffron]

||I dunno I feel like it'd be a bit of a cop out||

[glossy pond]

i can see it

[glossy pond]

||tbh i feel like the best solution is just saying "fuck it, different timeline" like this||

||but like
BOTW has a lot of references to previous games
so uhrghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh||

[analog saffron]

||Clearly BotW and TotK are not actually in the same timeline ||

....Wait

[humble elk]

actually the real answer is that ||the references are based off of the legend of zelda video games that were developed in hyrule by the zonai||

[analog saffron]

That's
I mean that's basically what happened to ALttP and OoT tbh

[glossy pond]

||no please not FNAF again||

[analog saffron]

||OoT being made as a prequel to ALttP and then its ending just
Is not actually the same timeline as ALttP||

[humble elk]

IS THIS ACTUALLY WHAT ||FNAF IS||?

i have literally no knowledge on anything related to that franchise

[glossy pond]

||no okay basically the intro the VR game implies that the first six FNAF games were in-universe an indie game developer trying to catch a buck from the hype of the mysterious surrounding the restaurant chain, but the end of the game reveals the company actually hired the game developer to make those games to scrub out negative PR||

[humble elk]

💀

[glossy pond]

||so the actual takeaway is that the events of the first six games did indeed happen, there just also happens to be in-universe indie games about those things||

[humble elk]

what the fuck lmfao

[glossy pond]

its uh

its a bit silly

yea

||FNAF lore is really solid from 1-6 and then after 6 it gets a little wacky!||

[humble elk]

🤪

[glossy pond]

but yea were you playing every game?

[humble elk]

Yea I was for a bit

I have oracle of ages, phantom hourglass, and spirit tracks left

Aaaand that might be it? For the main series

Oh I technically have not played four swords adventures either but I've mostly just given up on that for now for a variety of reasons

And I never finished tri force heroes

Other than that I've beaten the rest

[analog saffron]

||In the end gonna be honest I don't think the fact that two Ganondorfs exist at the same time really bothers me that much. Rather I've always just been bothered in the first place by the idea of multiple Ganondorfs. But if I accept that I don't really see the problem with two existing at the same time tbh. Demise's curse was basically just saying that demonic power, being hatred and malice, will always follow link and zelda so like
I dunno, if it's easier to go toward a new demon king than to break the TotK Ganondorf out of his seal then why can't it||

||But in the first place like. Why the fuck are there multiple Ganondorfs.||

[glossy pond]

||there wasnt before now||

[analog saffron]

Funny child timeline

||Four Swords Adventure is a different Ganon||

[glossy pond]

||Ganondorf in all the games has always been the same guy, starting in OOT and then he has three different fates across the 3 timelines||

[analog saffron]

||Ganondorf dies in Twilight Princess and also Four Swords Adventure has its own origin story for its Ganondorf||

[glossy pond]

||oh yea that guy. that's a new one ||

[analog saffron]

||FSA Ganondorf was the desert guardian and became demon king by finding the Trident||

||But yea like. Why are there multiple Ganondorfs. Zelda makes the most sense. Link is like. Unrelated people who are heroic. Ganondorf?????||

||Like are the Ganondorf just unrelated people as well and the Gerudo just always name their male-borns Ganondorf?||

||Honestly maybe its because of Twinrova||

||Like Ganondorf between TotK and OoT are different but what if those are the same Twinrova||

[humble elk]

Bro what the fuck is four swords adventures

[glossy pond]

||do they just keep trying to get boys named Finger Crenando to work as their apocalypse son until one works||

[analog saffron]

Game is so weird it feels like some weird fangame

[glossy pond]

||do you guys think Vaati counts as an incarnation of Demise's hatred ||

[analog saffron]

||But yea I guess maybe the reason there's multiple Ganondorfs is like.
Twinrova keeps grooming Gerudo males to become the next Demon King?||

[glossy pond]

||maybe im putting too much stock in this Demise shit then ||

[humble elk]

||who is twinrova in the grand scheme of things then||

[analog saffron]

||I have never come to a decision personally whether other powerful demons were part of demise's curse||

[analog saffron]

||Well in OoT Twinrova is the one who raised Ganondorf||

[humble elk]

||imagine if bro incarnated as a minish||

[analog saffron]

||Or well Koume and Kotake||

[humble elk]

Yeah but ||if we're extending her to totk||

[analog saffron]

||I just call them twinrova interchangeably||

||Well they're old hags in OoT so what if the younger ones in TotK's cutscenes are actually the same person||

||People||

[humble elk]

What about ||the oracle games then||

[analog saffron]

||shrug||

[glossy pond]

||i think my main gripe is that it just feels a little silly
Maybe this is the Writer Brain talking, but I feel like doing something this absurd and playing so loosely with it just to reinvent the Ganon Wheel to drive sales is uh

Well, I think its actually done really well within the confines of Tears of The Kingdom itself, but if I try to make sense of it on a wider plane it makes me sigh

And the takeaway from that, I suppose, is that I wish the timeline meant more than it does. I understand why it can feel restrictive, but then why commit to this psuedo-continuity of references they enjoy doing so much? idfk ||

[supple jacinth]

I wonder (various arc spoilers, better not click this at all unless you beaten most of the game) ||what happens if you do stuff early like get the master sword, recruit the spirit sage, take down phantom ganon day HC, what cutscenes acknowledge these things and how do they play out||

[lone ginkgo]

i wanna post spoiler art somebody made
in which channel can i do that without it being irrelevant

[glossy pond]

#1055578711619018835 ‘s fine, just tag it and put where its from

[lone ginkgo]

its a twitter link so it's fine

[glossy pond]

like “final boss” or “endgame”

[lone ginkgo]

already done
though i'm surprised spoilered links don't embed

[glossy pond]

Put a space between the link and the last ||

[lone ginkgo]

sick, thanks

[humble elk]

https://tenor.com/view/tyler-lie-lol-not-telling-the-truth-that-was-a-lie-gif-13885912

real talk where did this come from lmao

who made this

[vapid bramble]

https://tenor.com/view/omw-to-spread-misinformation-all-over-the-internet-gif-26525511