Return to Dream Land Deluxe

[midnight heart]

(the painting also shatters)

[sturdy ore]

Nvm she dead as a doornail

[midnight heart]

so, you're talking perma-death, like Sectonia and Haltmann?

[sturdy ore]

Yeah

[wicked wolf]

Drawcia Soul's death is also similar to defeating Dark Meta Knight's Revenge & King D-Mind's Revenge

https://media.giphy.com/media/dtjIoQtzp75mDuRqpy/giphy.gif

[sturdy ore]

Y’all think about how Galacta Knight has exploded like 3 times and still lives

[midnight heart]

Drawcia epilogue when

[midnight heart]

he usually leaves before he explodes completely, but I guess there's no reason to assume he doesn't do the full SSU death off screen

[hushed pine]

the little hand point always kills me

especially at this speed lol

[midnight heart]

oh i guess they do a little shove..

[solar nest]

galacta is just that fuckin cool

[midnight heart]

anyway my hc is that Galacta Knight epilogue is canon

he's done it multiple times

[sturdy ore]

He literally explodes into feathers in SKC

[limpid harbor]

galacta knight has many indentical twins

[solar nest]

the real canon reason as to why gk has come back is because he has drip

[midnight heart]

they say there's no record of anyone being able to terminate Galacta Knight

[regal pulsar]

well there's galacta knight and there's also galactic knight and also gelatin knight and also ketamine knight

[limpid harbor]

the brothers

[solar nest]

theres also meth knight

but idk if he’s gk’s brother im not sure

[tawdry stream]

maybe, if he's being dragged everywhere across time & space, SSU is just his final destination?

[jolly stream]

Manz is getting pulled through fights left and right, getting captured and maybe uncaptured by a butterfly, and who knows what else, only to die in some random point in space and time by Meta Knight.

[midnight heart]

the room of eden is definitely meant to be used - though we don't know for sure if it catches souls on the brink of death or just catches people who are near death but not dead - assuming the ancients used it it wouldn't be that weird for Galacta Knight to use it (despite their lack of connection)

[sturdy ore]

I remember PR says he’s been awoke and sealed numerous times but not terminated.

There’s a good chance there are many other Galacta Knight battles between appearences

[solar nest]

lmao imagine

[midnight heart]

also something I just realized. Magolor goes into the light.. in the epilogue beginning scene, too. they specifically used the EX mode version for it. Another "hint at death/afterlife" to add to the list

[tawdry stream]

tbh i doubt that anyone dying just happens to be sent to room of eden

[midnight heart]

yeah not just anyone

Magolor was in Another Dimension when he died

[tawdry stream]

also idk what the ex mag soul has to do with anything

[thin kindle]

gala when they die and end up at the room of eden:

[solar nest]

ah shit

[midnight heart]

literally what I've been saying 😭

[jolly stream]

https://tenor.com/view/kirby-planet-robobot-galacta-knight-who-pinged-me-gif-25418181

[midnight heart]

I mentioned it here because its just kind of a weird choice all around

[thin kindle]

the room of eden is for an apple that is the lore

[midnight heart]

True Arena magolor soul has a completely different cutscene

[tawdry stream]

it makes sense if you read the novel

[midnight heart]

EX mode keeps the part where he goes into the light

[thin kindle]

all hail the magic apple

[jolly stream]

Is the novel canon? I don't see why it would be.

[midnight heart]

its 100% a separate continuity

[tawdry stream]

in the novel it just replaces normal phase 2 with mag soul
so it could just be as simple as "soul is the canon phase 2"

[sturdy ore]

“Soul overrides phase 2”

[midnight heart]

oh yeah weve been over that

[tawdry stream]

its not inherently canon but kuma worked on it some and its new info is also shared in rtdx lol

[midnight heart]

I think it's interesting they chose Magolor Soul instead of (Crowned) Magolor :)

like yeah magolor soul is canon but still

[tawdry stream]

like the lor knowing mag's plan for example

[sturdy ore]

Cooler design lol

[tawdry stream]

true!

[sturdy ore]

They’re the same thing narratively

[midnight heart]

imo still adding another point to "death/afterlife" theming with the room of eden

[jolly stream]

You see, in reality, Main mode and Extra mode are both split timelines that then merge after the Magolor fight, and the catalyst for this split is Mr. Dooter deciding to not shave his mustache.

[sturdy ore]

Galacta Knight on his way to Eden to revive and hop back in his seal

[thin kindle]

remember everyone! There are 4 rtdl timelines! dont forget it! dont forget it! dont forget it! dont f

[tawdry stream]

im not sure what point that adds
unless you mean that both normal and soul go to eden? im confused

[jolly stream]

https://tenor.com/view/no-way-dude-no-oh-bugs-bunny-bugs-gif-22941840

[thin kindle]

dont forget it!!!!

[wicked wolf]

"Galacta Knight Returns" wouldn't make sense namewise then imo

[jolly stream]

Ghost Kirby from Squeak Squad is absolutely imperative to the lore.

[midnight heart]

ill admit its not much of a point because they had a lot of other reasons to make it magolor soul (being the canon one instead of Crowned Magolor)

[tawdry stream]

to us he's returning
nobody in-universe calls him GK Returns lol

[midnight heart]

but storywise the fact he ends up in the room of eden after having a soul form

[sturdy ore]

Ngl

I hate the word canon now lol

[thin kindle]

:canon:

[jolly stream]

What is Kirby Canon?

[wicked wolf]

Well to us he's returning from RTDL release-wise
But the name makes me think more of KSSU

[sturdy ore]

Shotzo

[wicked wolf]

Meta Knightmare Ultra & Galacta Knight
Meta Knightmare Returns & Galacta Knight Returns

[jolly stream]

Galacta Knight Ultra when?

[wicked wolf]

In Germany he's called Ultra-Knight lol

[jolly stream]

Holy fuck

[void blaze]

that's actually a sick name with it tying into the game's title

[tawdry stream]

my username is literally Galactic Knightmare lol

[midnight heart]

with various characters having this whole "sadly, I died. But I got better!" the room of eden being used for people to revive themselves doesnt seem that crazy

[wicked wolf]

Honestly tho a mode like that would go hard

you see him upgrade

[tawdry stream]

fr

[wicked wolf]

YOU COULD MAX OUT HIS ENERGY SPEAR SHOWER

[sturdy ore]

Tbh nobody really calls it that in-game other than “Free Magolor’s soul” which is just saying he’s being eaten by the crown

[wicked wolf]

EACH TIME IT UPS A NUMBER

YOOOO

[tawdry stream]

upgrade from normal-ass to dark

[jolly stream]

It's a shame Sectonia and Haltmann could never find it

[midnight heart]

they didnt have the willpower

[jolly stream]

What are you talking about, playable Galacta Knight already exists!

[tawdry stream]

tbh i think eden room is just something in some depth of AD, not hell

[midnight heart]

i wonder how many characters there are who are never called by their names in-game outside of their healthbar names

[thin kindle]

apple shrine all hail the magic apple

[wicked wolf]

I agree, I don't think it's where souls go to. But...

[sturdy ore]

Does this mean everyone fought personalized elemental bosses and then sold the fruit of knowledge in a parallel universe

[thin kindle]

inhale image incoming?

[wicked wolf]

bringing back the crackpot

YOU KNEW

[thin kindle]

🧠

[jolly stream]

But Kirby didn't inhale Magolor

[wicked wolf]

Irrelevant to the idea lol

[midnight heart]

personal interpretation is that the room of eden isn't in "hell" but intercepts people who would go to the afterlife

[tawdry stream]

i will continue advocating for novel's afterlife until we get concrete in-game hell

[thin kindle]

me too!!!

[wicked wolf]

the idea is based on the devs saying that enemies are transported "somewhere" after getting inhaled/defeated

[tawdry stream]

its the closest media to the games that isn't the games

[midnight heart]

waitaminute. something had to have opened that portal in the epilogue cutscene, right?..

[sturdy ore]

HADES GANG!!!!!!!

[sturdy ore]

Yeah the crown

[thin kindle]

crown perhaps

[midnight heart]

portals do just kinda randomly open but also not really

[thin kindle]

actually i didnt think about that lmfao

[wicked wolf]

I think it opened because of the power of the Master Crown, kind-of like how it's implied the Guest Star portal could've been from the Jamba Heart?

[thin kindle]

Crown was locked on

[jolly stream]

They're transported to the spot they spawned in once Kirby goes off screen

[thin kindle]

NEEDS that apple

[sturdy ore]

Isn’t the crown visible seen creating a rift

[midnight heart]

I think the fact True Arena Magolor Soul's portal is different from the Pop Star portal (and clearly against the crown's wishes) implies something here.

[tawdry stream]

honestly true, the crown shards even go in first

[wicked wolf]

wait

OH I misread

[tawdry stream]

and the crown wants the apple too

[wicked wolf]

I thought you meant the ending

[midnight heart]

plus, though the Epilogue portal is white instead of blue...

[thin kindle]

and the funny ad shapes come out of the crown during that scene right

[sturdy ore]

I wonder why the crown let Magolor in lol

[wicked wolf]

where the rift to the Dream Kingdom happened

[wispy crypt]

Flock of Doomers is like, extended, but I guess it serves as the general Doomer theme for the mode, even basic Darpas and Dippas use it since they're also Doomers

[thin kindle]

crown is VERY hungry for that apple

[tawdry stream]

oh

[wicked wolf]

The rift from the intro could still be from the crown lol

the ending rift could also be from the apple maybe???

it does have great power and whatnot lol

[thin kindle]

i think the apple caused the ending portal. sussy apple just comes out of the portal with Magolor even though an apple doesnt go in

[midnight heart]

honestly if you're willing to say that I find it weirder that the beginning portal wasn't also the room of eden

[tawdry stream]

maybe it was just a random occasional rift lmao

[midnight heart]

but I guess it being the crown explains the preferred interpretation of not everyone going through an epilogue on death

said preferred interpretation I do agree with by the way

but im not too eager to figure out the why there

[thin kindle]

resists urge to regurgitate dream kingdom theories

[midnight heart]

also Galacta Knight has a pretty close relationship with AD

so.. galacta knight epilogue? 👀

[wicked wolf]

What I still find interesting is that Another Dimension for some reason changes the color of clothes

[jolly stream]

Nah, I want Sectonia Epilogue and Haltmann Epilogue.

[regal pulsar]

wow good for him

guys do NOT go into the another dimension

it makes you white

[thin kindle]

TRUE TRUE TRUE TURE TURE TUREEEE

[jolly stream]

Oh wow, I can't believe the Mage Sisters were given the power of microtransactions too!

[tawdry stream]

the Void in the AD skies has a sense of fashion what can I say

[wicked wolf]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/933615439848808448/1080560539631108307/SPOILER_giphy-downsized-large_2.gif

[midnight heart]

I was just thinking the white makes you like a ghost but the mage sisters throws a wrench in it

[midnight heart]

mage sisters epilogue

[wicked wolf]

I wish someone on YT had a good recording of the Drawcia Soul battle ong

[jolly stream]

Void Termina epilogue

[wicked wolf]

I always find weirdly stretched ones 😭

[midnight heart]

there's probably a few other people that went through AD and stuff but didnt get bleached 🤔

[thin kindle]

susie

[midnight heart]

she does wear white though 🤔

[wicked wolf]

Well we never saw Susie in new clothes

[midnight heart]

the parallels don't

[wicked wolf]

We don't even know

what she wore

[tawdry stream]

her old clothes might've been different too

[wicked wolf]

well hairclip was def there

[thin kindle]

FAKE susie

not real

[midnight heart]

okay hold up though

[tawdry stream]

thats real susie!!!
(normal has normal colours bc robot!!)

[midnight heart]

given that Parallel Susie and Pres. Parallel Susie are the same person, and Pres. is after the character arc the rift on her mech's armor implies she dominated the dimensions, so she did get bleached (her hairdid anyway)

her skintone actually got darker

[sturdy ore]

I just believe extra-dimensional energy is a helluva drug lol

[midnight heart]

otherwise it fits with another hc of mine that AD is the universes' emotional sewers

where all your traumas wash away to be abandoned

(it's where the thoughts people had while possessed go, apparently)

[limpid harbor]

why it pulsating like that though

[sturdy ore]

Jelly

[limpid harbor]

yum

[tawdry stream]

i have embeds off so i cant see it

on data so

[random pine]

galacta prologue

[jolly stream]

Gonna come alive, and we'll fight Void Soul EX 2.0

[wicked wolf]

It's the Void-like core of Magolor Soul's TA Battlefield

[tawdry stream]

ah

[sturdy ore]

If Galacta Knight becomes playable it better be like Master Hand in World of Light

[regal pulsar]

badump badump badump badump

[tawdry stream]

[regal pulsar]

eats it like a hardboiled egg

[random pine]

wait til they abbreviate this as "V SEX 2.0"

[regal pulsar]

wait, this isnt hardboiled! this is softboiled

[jolly stream]

SEX

[sturdy ore]

Me when I revive Void as a cookie

[jolly stream]

KIRBY SEX UPDATE

[tawdry stream]

[random pine]

please never say that again

[jolly stream]

Ok

[random pine]

lmao

[sturdy ore]

So yeah Eden amirite

How did it even wind up in Another Dimension

[thin kindle]

was on Halcandra

fell down

[jolly stream]

I put it there, to confuse people >:3

[thin kindle]

so sad

[sturdy ore]

I think the fall of man happened to a degree in Kirby and Eden was sealed in Another Dimension

[random pine]

metal general when wood specific walks in

[tawdry stream]

maybe its just like
a fragmented AD-equivalent of something else originally near Halcandra?
like, we see the fall of halcandra too, which obviously doesn't make sense
so maybe that depth of AD is some kind of fabric-of-the-universe and just... has amalgamated material that doesn't make sense there, but that would in a normal parallel?

idk

[jolly stream]

The fall of Magolor

[sturdy ore]

I solved it

[thin kindle]

i think its halcandras remains

just fell to the bottom of ad

[midnight heart]

New list of afterlife/death themes in the Room of Eden
-His clothes get bleached for no explicit reason (insert picture of ghost from Kirby fighters here) despite appearing as his normal self in his defeat animation before he goes into the light
-Magolor's defeat animation (and also the one used in the epilogue intro) involves him going into the light
-The whole Room of Eden and apple of eden thing
-Doomers being deathlowpers
-Magolor Soul being the canon bit
-True Arena Magolor Soul also gets sucked into a portal against it's will, similar to the one epilogue magolor goes through (which also happens to lead to the room of eden just about)
-the redemption theme and slowly getting powers back via the altar which seems to be there for that explicit reason (revival vs recovery)
-bosses relevant to the story of RTDL are born to fight Magolor

[thin kindle]

after the crown tree raptrue

[sturdy ore]

Eden has never been portrayed as an afterlife though

[tawdry stream]

but why is it like... the intact version?
since we see the mangled result (presumably...?) in Egg Engines i think

[midnight heart]

its kinda the opposite of it, the very beginning, perhaps

which makes sense if the ancients built all that for the purpose of reviving things.. huh, it's like turning over a new leaf

[thin kindle]

whats in tact the tree fight background?

[tawdry stream]

yeah

its like showing the fall

[thin kindle]

probably just the past

or a projection of it caused by the crown apple combo since it just poofs back to normal after it dies

[midnight heart]

Crown Apple Combo

CAC

[thin kindle]

now why did halcandra have a magical crystal apple tree in the first place uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh idk

[sturdy ore]

So like it has nothing to do with death or rebirth

Because the garden was just this dope ass place and then humanity fucked up and got kicked out

[tawdry stream]

"hey clockwork star, make me a really cool looking apple"
"-> OK"
"cool but nvm i don't want it anymore"
[throws apple into AD trash can]

[pearl fjord]

Lmao why does the mask disappear so early

I guess they just set it to disappear the moment the transformation animation plays

[pearl fjord]

Funny mage sisters when they also repent in AD

[wicked wolf]

TRUE

[midnight heart]

the chances of them using it are higher than Galacta Knight's actually

[thin kindle]

wait this reminds me one of my predictions for ME almost kind of happened. I said GK was going to be engraved in a tree and he would use the tree to fight you

but that just happened with the crown lmfao

[sturdy ore]

I wonder why Galacta Knight would go through all that even though he doesn’t want to and that’s why Morpho Knight exists

[midnight heart]

personally I'd stubbornly choose life over death every time

you could argue Morpho Knight still killed him ig

I still think Galacta Knight was reborn because of Morpho

[sturdy ore]

“Man I want out of this cycle”

Causes it

[solar nest]

galacta knight has been through shit

[sturdy ore]

The Butterfly was the one who was reborn

[midnight heart]

eh, debatable

[thin kindle]

i just say GK was freed cause that happened to Forgo lol

[solar nest]

[thin kindle]

and Galacta has been through worse

[sturdy ore]

Reborn Butterfly

Wonder who that could be

[thin kindle]

he just does die in SKC

[midnight heart]

#kirby-kingdom message

[jovial quest]

Sacred Faerie#9691 - #kirby-kingdom

Interesting
I took a look and this translation was done by StarPunch on April 16 2022
The sentence is this

銀河最強と 言われる 白き騎士が もたらした、長年の 生命のさけびに 共めいし、黄泉からの騎士となって こうりんする。
I'll break it down part by part
銀河最強と = Galaxy's Strongest
言われる = Said to be
白き騎士が = White Knight
もたらした = Brought about/produced
長年の = long-lasting
生命のさけびに = Screams of Life
共めいし = To sympathize
黄泉からの騎士となって = Become a knight from Yomi/The Underworld
こうりんする = To descend
As far as I can tell, StarPunch's translation doesn't use the 共めいし = To sympathize part of the sentence, which is why she mistook the "subject" of the sentence to be about Galacta Knight instead of the butterfly
However, personally I would not say it's wrong that Morpho Knight is Galacta Knight reborn either

Quoted by NonaWax#1869 • [278295447838261251] · Mar 24, 2023, 3:56 PM

[thin kindle]

and comes back 2 seconds (dozens of fights) later

WAUGH

[midnight heart]

some morpho artbook translations are linked later on somewhere

[sturdy ore]

Hm

[thin kindle]

i kinda feel like Morpho being in FL from some red butterfly eating up Forgo puts a wrench in this

[sturdy ore]

What’s Morpho Knight’s Japanese title?

[thin kindle]

especially cause there are multiple butterflies of paradise

and the novel also mentions red butterflies becoming morpho before it ever comes into contact with Galacta so ermmmmm

[midnight heart]

eh, I've talked about the whole Morpho Knight thing too many times at this point

[sturdy ore]

Y’know the JP description also says “lost in the darkness of history”

[thin kindle]

lost in the darkness of a novel?!?!

oh yeah i guess everyone always reads that in a meta sense lmfao

[sturdy ore]

https://tenor.com/view/family-guy-quagmire-glen-jaw-gif-22600043

[thin kindle]

and not that hes a knight that people forgot about from the olden days

[tawdry stream]

yeah methinks morpho just becomes knight after eating any strong warrior screaming soul dude

[solar nest]

what if morpho eats dedede

[thin kindle]

he becomes Morpho Knight but he will occasionally go "rah"

[sturdy ore]

Me wonders

[thin kindle]

love!

[limpid harbor]

would be cool if the forgo one kept the heart pattern

[warm sun]

I feel like Galacta Knight actually bonded with Morpho

[thin kindle]

loveless

knightly bond!

[limpid harbor]

loveless circles

vs love hearts

[warm sun]

Reason why Forgo didn’t have the hearts was because they kinda didn’t want it to happen
Although it did benefit them at least

[sturdy ore]

Morpho Knight eating Galacta Knight vs eating Soul Forgo

[warm sun]

Me when I absorb the person who absorbed me

[mint notch]

Maybe gk still has a bit of hero in him deep down, which is why it shows the heart for him, whereas forgo is just a complete ass

[thin kindle]

i remember there being something about Morpho doing it so Galacta could rest for this fight or something

[sturdy ore]

Yeah he was put to rest

[thin kindle]

perhaps i am spreading misinformation

[sturdy ore]

Then Parallel Nightmare yanked him out of Hades

[limpid harbor]

i bet morpho just went after forgo because he's been alive for too long

[mint notch]

Maybe, after everything he’s been through, maybe he wanted to finally be put down (soul of sectonia moment)

[thin kindle]

probably lmao

[sturdy ore]

“Fuck you” - Butterfly probably

[midnight heart]

well Morpho got him before Fecto could have a Soul fight

[limpid harbor]

sectonia's def gonna get that butterfly treatment in the tdx remake

[midnight heart]

like right before it

[sturdy ore]

Bug gets eaten by bug

[solar nest]

the circle of life

[sturdy ore]

Morpho Knight when Sectonia wants to die:

Morpho Knight when Galacta Knight wants to die:

[mint notch]

Tbf both gk and forgo had lived unnaturally long lives due to their stasis and where long past their best by date, which is probably why Morpho sought them both out, to fulfill his grim reaper roll

[sturdy ore]

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-sonic-the-hedgehog-sonic3d-blast-saturn-running-gif-25117878

[warm sun]

Morpho after I tell them about the Isolated Isles and how they can feast on the most powerful dreams they want

[tawdry stream]

[sturdy ore]

Do you think Morpho’s natural diet consists of dreams while he eats powerful entities to become Morpho Knight

[warm sun]

Wouldn’t put it past them

[limpid harbor]

i like the idea that he goes after people that have lived unnaturally long so hopefully it happens a third time and becomes a pattern

[mint notch]

Or other characters who cheat death in some other way

[sturdy ore]

I like to think he attacks because “no witnesses”

[solar nest]

is morpho knight a cheeseburger

kirby lore

[limpid harbor]

manager magolor evading morpho like the IRS

[midnight heart]

the room of eden somehow finding him easily

[mint notch]

Kirby, bandee and elfilin who have now canonically witnessed what horrors they’re capable of:

[solar nest]

kirby would definitely consume morpho butterfly

“mmm tastes like apples”

[limpid harbor]

they're now his enemy number 1

[sturdy ore]

Morpho Knight is really bad at this no witnesses thing

[solar nest]

i mean he’s fighting kirby how are you supposed to kill him

always gonna have at least 1 witness

[sturdy ore]

What if Morpho Knight is just like “Hm I wanna get better at this whole knight thing”

[pearl fjord]

I mean Galacta Knight took like
Wanting to die for eras upon eras lol

[sturdy ore]

Hmm true

[pearl fjord]

Flirting vs Harrassment

[sturdy ore]

[mint notch]

“Finally, I can rest” vs “NOOOOOO, I WAS GONNA FIGHT KIRBY, REEEEE-“

[midnight heart]

the "screams/cries for life" bit makes me think

I want to interpret it as "I want to actually live" instead of escaping a cycle via death but idk

[solar nest]

he knows damn well he aint comin out alive after fighting the pink puffball

speaking of kirby

here he is eating bekfast

[warm sun]

https://tenor.com/view/one-piece-anime-tears-crying-nico-robin-gif-16675110

[sturdy ore]

If he wanted to live he was already pretty good at that lol

[solar nest]

bekfast kirby

[midnight heart]

actually live.. like live life. yknow. sometimes people say "this isn't living" even though theyre alive

reminds me of a cool fecto comic i saw

Morpho's trying to tempt Fecto into resting but they feel their struggles are all the more reason to finally actually live

[mint notch]

“I don’t want to survive, I want to LIVE”- The Captain from WALL-E

[pearl fjord]

Yomigaeru Gokuchou
Gokuchou means paradise butterfly
Yomigaeru means resurrect but rather than using the normal way of writing yomigaeru which is 蘇る, they use 黄泉返る where 黄泉 yomi means underworld and kaeru 返る means return/go back
*There's also a nuance in Jp between kaeru as 返る vs 帰る
帰る has the connotation of returning home while 返る which Morpho uses has the connotation of someone going back to a place they've been to before/returning to a place that isn't their home, implying 黄泉 Yomi (The underworld) is Morpho's home

[scarlet sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/fire-writing-gif-24533171

[midnight heart]

lore...

[solar nest]

damn kirby lore goes hard

[midnight heart]

was just thinking it was weird for a grim reaper to be "reborn," maybe you could pull something and say it has a meaning for both of them

[sturdy ore]

So like Yomi Return Home Paradise Butterfly?

[pearl fjord]

No Morpho is using the one where the connotation is not returning home

[regal pulsar]

what a pun that name is

[midnight heart]

yeah its like a 3-way pun

[pearl fjord]

Normally
蘇る = Resurrect
But resurrect could also be written as 黄泉帰る where 黄泉 = Underworld and 帰る = Return home, so literally 'returning home from the underworld'
But Morpho uses 返る instead of 帰る which implies that Morpho is returning to some place that isn't his home instead

[sturdy ore]

Japanese

[midnight heart]

wait.. morpho returns from the underworld........

[scarlet sierra]

How do you condense so much information into a few symbols

Japanese is cracked

[limpid harbor]

wish english could do that

[midnight heart]

guest star canon brick'd, shot

oh nvm actually

[sturdy ore]

I swear to god there are as many kanji for any situation as there are spongebob clips for every situation

[midnight heart]

wai- okay doesn't returns still mean that they've been out of the underworld before

ez yes if Morpho Knight's knight form existed before absorbing Galacta Knight

otherwise itd look like the implication is that they've been to specifically the Forgotten Land- is that the Forgotten Land title??

[regal pulsar]

japanese is the one teacher that tells you "no pain no gain" while they subject you to the most painful torture sessions every day

[sturdy ore]

It’s the Star Allies title

[regal pulsar]

for each word you learn, there's a 50/50 chance youll have to learn 5 more fucking variants of the same word because theyre all extremely context sensitive

Let alone you even know how to say them or ESPECIALLY write them

[midnight heart]

i guess its not that big of a deal since the butterfly is in all those random cutscenes

in this context its kinda weird

[valid locust]

RtDLD thread do not derail to general kirby challenge (impossible)

[sturdy ore]

Whoops

[regal pulsar]

this is what happens when the kirby games are so consistently good they just merge as one

[valid locust]

TRUE

[regal pulsar]

in our minds

[solar nest]

kirby lore is consistent and thats what makes it good

[regal pulsar]

more like its safe

it remains consistent because they didnt necessarily go out to retcon or do insanely crazy shit

idk if theres ever a real retcon anyways

[gritty lava]

when the butterfly's appearance in rtdx still did not lead to anything!

[regal pulsar]

SO TRUE!!!

[midnight heart]

they are just There

[gritty lava]

[regal pulsar]

magolor time travelling may seem crazy at first

but with the context that this has already been established in the first place same with dream kingdom already existing prior, it kinda makes sense

and i kinda doubt they would go crazier than that when it comes to time-traveling

[pearl fjord]

Kumazaki no longer needs to retcon anything because he can just say it happened differently in a parallel

[regal pulsar]

TRUEEEE

THE LOOPHOLES ARE REAL

[valid locust]

he solved all his problems

[regal pulsar]

you know

[pearl fjord]

Kumazaki when he brings in a depressed Ribbon from a timeline where Kirby did not collect all the Crystal shards

[regal pulsar]

faye now that you say it

kumazaki might actually do fucking whatever he wnats!

[gritty lava]

every series leads to a multiverse

[pearl fjord]

why do you think they put star-shaped portals in the Dr. Strange movie King

[regal pulsar]

[pearl fjord]

That's just an AU where Magolor is some teen girrl

[solar nest]

i have a feeling this means shits goin down

[gritty lava]

kumazaki when he goes back and makes dl2 a good game (it's a parallel which is why it makes sense)

[pearl fjord]

Actually I guess they would be elfilis

[regal pulsar]

i dont think it should mean anything plot-wise but... i sure as hell think crazy shit might happen

remember guys

magolor soul true arena...

[solar nest]

kumazaki when he makes dedede an e-girl

[pearl fjord]

Kumazaki when he goes back to make sure Dark Matter Blade survives DL2 and DL3

[regal pulsar]

true

let the best kirby character live

[solar nest]

kumazaki when he makes 03 (its a parallel universe so he can do whatever he wants)

[gritty lava]

kumazaki when he makes magolor soul shit out an apple (it's peak)

[pearl fjord]

I still like to imagine it came out of his mouth

[solar nest]

lmao

[pearl fjord]

Just
Under the eyelid with the eye

[solar nest]

so he spits the apple instead of taco bell shitting it out

[regal pulsar]

i depicted it as magolor soul coughing out the aple

[sturdy ore]

Au where Void Termina was a burger and I ate him

[valid locust]

[solar nest]

au where sectonia becomes a burger king instead of a bee

[warm sun]

I’m stuck listening to Another Domination again HEEEEELLLLPPPP

[pearl fjord]

So true

[regal pulsar]

Soooo true!

aw fuck youre making me do it again too!

[pearl fjord]

How to not get stuck listening to Kirby:
Listening to touhou

[valid locust]

no help.

[pearl fjord]

Another Domination still sounds like an attempt at Sonic music to me tbh

[warm sun]

Agreed lol

[regal pulsar]

i mean its v techno

it does sound like smth youd hear in sonic colors or sonic forces

THAT INTRO IS STILL SO GOOD WHATTTT

[inner jetty]

its definitely what happens when you ask someone who does not know how to create Kirby music to remix Kirby music

[warm sun]

It sounds like something out of SKC honestly but I actually enjoy it

[pearl fjord]

I keep thinking of Supporting Me but yea a more techno sonic song would probably be a better comparison

[inner jetty]

it is literally something that could be out of SKC

[regal pulsar]

i already liked SKC music (im super cheap)

so this is a no brainer for me

[pearl fjord]

Personally I take SKC music as an insult

[inner jetty]

it is an insult

[warm sun]

Me when I stay far away from SKC

[regal pulsar]

aw guys dont

dont leave me like that

[warm sun]

Leaves you

[regal pulsar]

nooo!!!!!!!!!

[valid locust]

YOU ARE BASED

I also like SKC music

[regal pulsar]

[wispy crypt]

Reminded me that I used the music as Phase 1 for my new form

[valid locust]

people are just too weak to take it

[wispy crypt]

Like a parallel to Galacta's theme in Robobot (which uses Grand Doomer)

[inner jetty]

me when i just wanted a remix that sounds like Grand Doomer's theme

[warm sun]

WELL I LIKE PARALLEL NIGHTMARE’S THEME AT LEAST DOESN’T THAT COUNT

[valid locust]

spared

[ivory knot]

I just finished the epilogue

It blew my nuts off

Damn

[wispy crypt]

DANG

You didn't get spoiled prior?

[regal pulsar]

it sucks how they completely reverbed on grand doomer's remastered theme

[earnest sphinx]

Bingo Highway was my first comparison

[pearl fjord]

Gigi be like ‘people are too weak’ and the music is just a bunch of nacho dust sprinkled on a steak

[regal pulsar]

usually the reverb isnt bad

but this feels way too much

[ivory knot]

Slightly, didn't detract much from the experience, since I already expected the things it exposed as canon

[valid locust]

that is still a steak and I like steak so

[ivory knot]

I did get spoiled the final boss' design, wich was a bit annoying

[regal pulsar]

usually the original rtdl theme is on top

cus i listen to it way more than rtdldx

[ivory knot]

But nothing that killed me honestly

[warm sun]

https://youtu.be/vE1u9ZvtUvY Alright time for this one

[regal pulsar]

TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE TRUE

[ivory knot]

The final boss theme is actually insane

[warm sun]

I think the fact that the other Doomers are flying in the background doing jackshit is hilarious

[wispy crypt]

Kirby Clash fucking canon

[ivory knot]

Although, what was Magolor's redemption about?

[regal pulsar]

another domination still totally blew me away, so hard that i didnt care about tree crown's theme at first

[pearl fjord]

The regulat doomer remixes in RtDL are good but I can never get over the orchestral doomer remix in TKCD

[warm sun]

I need to listen to that one at some point

[elder eagle]

They're showing off

[pearl fjord]

https://youtu.be/iPKc33jcfVU

[ivory knot]

It's really creepy, I like it

[pearl fjord]

Like man

[ivory knot]

But like, what did Magolor atone for

[regal pulsar]

lying

[ivory knot]

He just saved himself from death

[earnest sphinx]

...he literally backstabbed kirby & co to try and use the master crown for universal domination lmao

[ivory knot]

I do get that everything's really symbolic

[regal pulsar]

he tricked kirby and tried to take over the world. clearly thats one big sin or two to atone for

[ivory knot]

I meant

[earnest sphinx]

he got punished hard for it

[ivory knot]

Did he atone? Did he feel bad about betraying them?

[regal pulsar]

yeah

totally

lol

[earnest sphinx]

Yes and yes.

[ivory knot]

True

Wish he had some more dialogue about them

[earnest sphinx]

He destroyed the very artifact he sought out and he definitely regretted backstabbing them if his max flight upgrade blurb is any indication

[ivory knot]

Still, all the symbolism does make it amazing

[ivory knot]

Ohh what does he say in that one?

[regal pulsar]

he saw the main cast as friends

that he could fly up high with

[warm sun]

But he went down low instead!

[ivory knot]

MAN

I WANT TO FUCKING DIE

THATS SO SAD

I'm sorry I doubted you little wet cat

[warm sun]

https://tenor.com/view/angry-bird-sad-gif-21136900

[ivory knot]

Do we know what the fruit actually is?

[regal pulsar]

magolor: i love being evil! i love exploiting emotions of others! i love seeing their reactions when they witness my offenses!
also magolor: why dont i have friends? :(

[ivory knot]

Also, the doomer themes in the epilogue do make it clear it was originally a remix of Meta Knight's theme

[regal pulsar]

yeah and no

it resembles a lot like an apple but i dont think its explicitly stated to be an apple

[ivory knot]

When you max up the magic barrier he reluctantly says he wants to protect everyone dear to him

[warm sun]

Yeah, like himself.

[ivory knot]

I meant why is it magic and why does it give you your powers back

[warm sun]

[regal pulsar]

and his belongings

[ivory knot]

That too

[ivory knot]

Bro knows what he wants

[regal pulsar]

ah idk lol

[earnest sphinx]

i do think it says something when he upgrades his mischief to max he thinks about building a theme park instead of anything malignant

[ivory knot]

If he'd ask them to join him in his conquest, his loneliness would've hit harder

[earnest sphinx]

he did genuinely thank them for rebuilding the lor at least lol

[regal pulsar]

I really did appreciate that, by the way.

[ivory knot]

HE'S SO FUNNY

[midnight heart]

it's like the apple of eden though it's never directly called that - what was localized as "ethereal altar" is "room of eden" in jp

[ivory knot]

Oh damn

[warm sun]

https://youtu.be/0bWUiwT49-Y Back to listening to this bullshit

[regal pulsar]

TRUE

[ivory knot]

And I know the sword and try both relate to Norse Mythology

[regal pulsar]

we dont know if the sword is truly involved in the meaning

its possible but idk

[midnight heart]

wasn't Mistelteinn also the name of a spear or something

[pearl fjord]

It was a bow

[ivory knot]

Milstiltein is a sword made of mistletoe

[pearl fjord]

But yea when you look up the term mistilteinn in Jp the sword is not the first meaning that comes up, it's that it's the norse word for mistletoe which is used as an arrow in some story

And only after they mention that it's also the name of a sword in some other story

[ivory knot]

Oh true the arrow

[inner jetty]

yeah i'd say the mistletoe is immediately the most important part of it

[ivory knot]

It was like, purging right??

[inner jetty]

the sword is just a coincidental parallel

[regal pulsar]

WTF

[ivory knot]

The sword calls back to Kirby's own UltraSword finishing Magolor's first form

[pearl fjord]

Yea like it's pretty obvious why they called it mistilteinn, they literally call the tree a mistletoe in the jp description

[midnight heart]

Mistelteinn the sword is also used by a king which is even funnier

[ivory knot]

Damn

Also the tree fight counts as a dark matter fight

[regal pulsar]

-teinn is also part of the name thats occasionally used for mythical swords too, whic his whyi looked up

and found that result

[ivory knot]

🤙

[midnight heart]

kirby fans when they see things with one eye:

[ivory knot]

Jokes aside I do think it is

One red eye, possesses things, black mist, ancient related

Especially the master crown

[regal pulsar]

theres laevateinn and gambanteinn

[midnight heart]

there's some kind of "hatred and obsession" going on with it

[midnight heart]

Mistelteinn (the tree) doesn't quite measure up to these traits

what color is the crown's gem on the tree?

I forgot

[regal pulsar]

from what i cna gather master crown is kinda its own thing despite the similarities

[ivory knot]

The gem? The eye?

[regal pulsar]

we dont know its real association with dark matter

[midnight heart]

i know the eye is yellow

[regal pulsar]

just that its very likely associated w void

[midnight heart]

the crown's gem is either blue or red

[regal pulsar]

(which is not related to the dark matter but may consist the dark matter element)

[ivory knot]

It's a valid thought, I do like to think something akin to dark matter is inside of it

[midnight heart]

green.

[regal pulsar]

ITS GREEN

[ivory knot]

The gem has always been green

[midnight heart]

eh.. it was blue in the original

[regal pulsar]

its red in magolor soul fight

[midnight heart]

and it turns red on traitor magolor

it hink

wait no

still blue on traitor magolor at least for the first half

[ivory knot]

No, it's always green

[regal pulsar]

the gem illuminates blue colors but i think its generally green

[midnight heart]

it's red on Magolor EX

[ivory knot]

Ex color schemes are usually something to go by when delving into the lore

[earnest sphinx]

ratio

[warm sun]

Purple is my favorite color

[ivory knot]

THAT DONT COUNT

[earnest sphinx]

and if Magolor Epilogue's intro cutscene is any indication, Magolor Soul is the canon final boss of RtDL

So L + ratio + red crown gem

[midnight heart]

Magolor even has a full cutscene transforming into EX magolor hahaha

[ivory knot]

Really??

[plucky monolith]

yeah, in original RTDL it was bluish and green

[midnight heart]

oh yeah, they use Magolor Soul EX's death (and not the True Arena one) animation in the intro cutscene of epilogue

[regal pulsar]

love landia's colors btw

[midnight heart]

Crowned Magolor (the non ex Magolor Soul) also doesn't have a pause screen (and is just named "Magolor") while Magolor Soul does

[regal pulsar]

reddish orange + pink is a p good color combo

[earnest sphinx]

yep, just rewatch Hitting Rock Bottom. That's definitely not the version from Story Mode

[midnight heart]

this was kinda funny

existensial crisis over the color green

[inland wadi]

[ivory knot]

Oh shit

[midnight heart]

anyway kracko dark matter krack theory

[ivory knot]

NO

Well maybe

But let's not go there

[midnight heart]

it explains why waddle doos exist ‼️

[inland wadi]

You know

[ivory knot]

Green greens

[inland wadi]

Dark Matter and Kracko are both absent from rtdl

[ivory knot]

Actually yes

If dark matter was in rtdl Dedede would not be playable

[midnight heart]

nah but fr I think there's a theme of "hatred and obsession" with dark matter? maybe not actual dark matter, but like void

[ivory knot]

Not really

[inland wadi]

I don't really get why Kracko isn't in rtdl

[ivory knot]

Void is a neutral thing

[midnight heart]

"hatred and obsession" is from some pause description relating to the master crown, I know it appears somewhere else but where

[ivory knot]

I guess they wanted to make better, new bosses, tho I'd take kracko over dooter any day

[ivory knot]

The ancients did do ignorant and stupid shit based on hate and fear

[ripe mulch]

RtDL is a mostly original character line up. Whispy is the only returning one I think. I guess they just wanted to do their own thing since it was a triumphant return to console

[ivory knot]

Like sealing Galacta Knight and banishing Hyness' side of their race

[midnight heart]

hyness is apparently the embodiment of hatred and obsession ._.

[inland wadi]

I will not accept dooter slander

[ivory knot]

Condemning one to eternal suffering and fighting, and the other to losing his mind

[ivory knot]

His boss fight is pretty fun I'll give you that, I like the whole magician schtik

[midnight heart]

crack theory that's all you need to make dark matter

[inland wadi]

I could see Kracko being the boss of Nutty Noon over the Grand Doomer

[ivory knot]

His void subproduct is, he's just gone mad

[inland wadi]

but I guess that wouldn't fit very well story wise

[midnight heart]

no it seems like the line actually originates from Hyness or something, I havent found the actual stuff yet though

[inland wadi]

Since
A. Nutty Noon is the last area in Popstar
B. Super Abilites are used in that battle

[fossil saddle]

Void termina's crown laser attack, which I believe is called Crown of Great Evil and Obsession

[plucky monolith]

well, that description also mentions jealousy and desire, and is perhaps part of the 'darkness' Hyness gave Void
note that part of description is referencing past final bosses/villains in general

yeah, the Master Crown laser is Crown of Great Evil and Obsession

no hatred there though

[earnest sphinx]

would dark matter blade count? his reason for attacking popstar was the fact he couldn't stand to see people getting along and living happily when he himself had nobody to be around

[ivory knot]

The crown is evil and Magolor was pretty fucked up with power so I guess it fits

[ivory knot]

He wasn't capable of feeling happiness

[midnight heart]

maybe. It's not quite a repeated line as this series likes to do, but storywise..

[ivory knot]

Only jealousy and loneliness, wich turned to hate and rage

[inland wadi]

Part of me wishes Magolor wasn't a dubious little fella

[plucky monolith]

I mean, idk if anything says that

[regal pulsar]

dms be like |oC

[fossil saddle]

Only says he wasn't capable of making friends

[plucky monolith]

and we have another member of the Dark Matter Clan, Gooey, who seems to be able to be happy at least

[ivory knot]

I don't think anything says that per se, but it's severely hinted at

[plucky monolith]

though Gooey is weird in general

[inland wadi]

I think gooey is always happy because he has no idea what's going on at all times

[ivory knot]

How did zero find out about Popstar tho, is he an intelligent enough lifeform?

[earnest sphinx]

gooey's just
completely different than the rest of his species

[fossil saddle]

I think the idea is just that hyness was harboring those emotions at the time and those became the darkness that fed void termina

[midnight heart]

ive just been reminded of the fact Void Termina's crown laser specifically looks like Traitor Magolor's version of the crown

that still messes me up

[somber cape]

I BEAT TRUE MAGOLOR SOUL

[fossil saddle]

Not that he truly embodies them

[midnight heart]

yeah same

[inland wadi]

skill issue

[somber cape]

nuh uh

[regal pulsar]

skill issue?

SKILL SOLUTION

[inland wadi]

I still need to finish extra mode

[somber cape]

i did almost pass out multiple times throughout the fight though

[ivory knot]

I'm guessing Zero had to be relatively near to Popstar if he gave birth to Gooey and he landed there

[somber cape]

most stressful experience of my life

[regal pulsar]

im telling you guys the crown becomes more powerful the more darkness resides in the heart

[inland wadi]

Halfway through Nutty Noon

[ivory knot]

Irl or ingame

[fossil saddle]

Magolor Soul fight without memorizing patterns looks like hhll

[warm sun]

How is that a skill issue lol
That’s like, a skill succession

[somber cape]

irl

[plucky monolith]

it would be weird if he went there but did not invade

[ripe mulch]

Arenas be tense, I feel it

[inland wadi]

I said skill issue to confuse and upset everyone

[somber cape]

i got hit by the first laser attack and had a seizure irl too

very painful

[ivory knot]

Damn bro chill it's a Kirby game

Have a tea or sum

[fossil saddle]

You can't control seizures...

[midnight heart]

they stuck Gooey in a sack and threw him through space

[warm sun]

Oh
Well you succeeded in that

[inland wadi]

my man needs a maxim tomato in real life

[fossil saddle]

That's not how that works

[ivory knot]

I want to believe it was the swordsman himself

[plucky monolith]

well, he can also fly

[fossil saddle]

It is pretty strange that Gooey was captured in the first place

[ivory knot]

Like "weird ass mf, YEET"

[fossil saddle]

retroactively it makes it seem like he was exiled from the dark matter tribe

[midnight heart]

I imagine itd be hard to fly in a sack even if Gooey doesn't have wings..

[plucky monolith]

I mean, so were the Animal Friends lol

they mistook him for an animal I guess

[fossil saddle]

Lol maybe

[somber cape]

nope i literally had a seizure irl

[ivory knot]

Is it? He doesn't seem like the type to resist much

[somber cape]

what lasers do to a mf

[ivory knot]

Or to actually realize what's going on

[midnight heart]

i think story wise its like why bother with Gooey.. or the animal friends in general. were they being rebellious?

maybe the animal friends had already met Gooey before you save them all and were staging a coup

[ivory knot]

They are pretty dangerous

[fossil saddle]

I didn't mean to dispute that, I meant that that you can't really control when one has a seizure, playing a Kirby game doesn't change that

[ivory knot]

More than any commoner

[fossil saddle]

anyhow that statement wasn't directed towards you, so apologies if it seemed that way

[plucky monolith]

well, he doesn't even know who he is in the first place lol

[fossil saddle]

Based on the manual the threat of dark matter was already known so I like to think that the animal friends were rebellious (as in trying to stop dark matter) and the possessed dedede captured them as a result

[ivory knot]

The only forces to be wary of in Dreamland at that point were Kirby and Dedede, Bandee wasn't trained, and Meta Knight wasn't around

So anything that could oppose significantly was captured

I'm guessing their objective was capturing gooey, since he is the same thing as dark matter, and the animal friends were probably around him

[plucky monolith]

I mean, they also captured some random girl so who knows

[ivory knot]

What was the dark matter trilogy director's name?

[fossil saddle]

Shimomura

[ivory knot]

Ah that

I'm guessing he didn't like meta knight

Because he's not even mentioned or alluded to in any way

[fossil saddle]

Meta Knight appeared in 1 game when he was first directing Kirby games so

[ivory knot]

Wait true

Damn

[solemn sorrel]

I mean MK at the time was just like any other paint roller

[fossil saddle]

And then I assume that Super Star and Dream Land 3 were also in development around the same time

[midnight heart]

so back to the obsession thing, Magolor Soul looks more dark matter-like than Mistelteinn

[fossil saddle]

so for most of the trilogy meta knight was like nothing

[ivory knot]

That's because the crown has dark matter cough cough

[solemn sorrel]

I mean magolor isnt a tree

[fossil saddle]

Or an apple

[ivory knot]

How things change

[fossil saddle]

Indeed

[plucky monolith]

lol why did they capture her

[ivory knot]

That was funnier that it should've been

[ivory knot]

Acts of treason

Also how the fuck did ado get to Popstar

[fossil saddle]

She's not even from this world either lol

[midnight heart]

they do have similarities, like the smoke on the wings, the crown coiling around, the shape of the actual crown itself, the fact the eye is inside of part of the tree (the main apple, I assume)

[ivory knot]

And don't give me the "to study art" WHAT

[solemn sorrel]

she rode in on the spring breeze

[midnight heart]

Elfilis teleported her there

[plucky monolith]

yeah lmao
how did she and the other cameo characters get here

[midnight heart]

in the initial invasion before they were captured

[ivory knot]

Hell of a breeze to bring all these weirdos into the same place

[plucky monolith]

painted a spaceship probably

[ivory knot]

Actually hadn't thought of that

[plucky monolith]

or rode a Warp Star

[ivory knot]

Kirby 64 remake with adelaine prologue

[ripe mulch]

I've been playing the Japanese version of DL2 and I like her sprite way more than "girl gooey" lol

[fossil saddle]

If Crowned Doomer is any indication perhaps the crown takes different forms based on its wearer

Since Magolor became consumed by the hatred and obsessions of past rulers it took on that more dark matter esque look

[midnight heart]

I think the tree is the most individuality we'll see from the crown itself, and Magolor's form is still influenced by magolor's own darkness or so

[fossil saddle]

It's cuter for sure imo

[ivory knot]

Guess so

[regal pulsar]

i like to think he only looks this way due to design choices

like

[midnight heart]

cuz a tree doesn't have a heart presumably.. unless youre whispy

[regal pulsar]

orb

[ivory knot]

Goeey was lucky Meta Knight wasn't established in the DMT, cuz he would've dissected his ass on the halberd and waged war

[fossil saddle]

Speaking of design I just really like

[midnight heart]

i mean yeah i guess Magolor Soul's design existed way before Mistelteinn

[ivory knot]

Bro wasn't chill back then

[fossil saddle]

How both Magolor Soul and Tree crown show the master crown itself having this bear grip around the actual body

[ivory knot]

Doubt Whispies have hearts

[fossil saddle]

Wrapping around them as if they are imprisoned

[midnight heart]

noo... sentient trees, heartless?

[ivory knot]

I mean, they don't pump blood

[midnight heart]

oh,

true

[ripe mulch]

Not real ones
Metaphorical hearts perhaps

[midnight heart]

metaphorically though

because kirby series "metaphorical hearts" defo exist imo haha

[fossil saddle]

Souls if you will

[solemn sorrel]

Imagine being MK, you wage war on dreamland, try to oust king dedede and become the new ruler to lead a new, less lazy lifestyle (if the wheelies are an indication slave labor is on the table) and then you get your ship destroyed by a gumball completely unrelated to your crusade

[midnight heart]

i mean gim probably doesn't have an organic heart, and his heart gets summoned in the friendship laser scene in Star Allies

[fossil saddle]

Well the two aren't quite analogous but in this case I think it gets the same idea across

[ripe mulch]

The heart as an organ just pumps blood
But in fiction and metaphor, the heart is where your desires and true self exist

[midnight heart]

Gim is the yoyo robot btw

[ripe mulch]

"pure of heart"
"Follow your heart"
Etc

[regal pulsar]

i was gonna say no way wizard of oz

but i remembered it was the scarecrow htat got the heart iirc

[ripe mulch]

No scarecrow gets a brain

[midnight heart]

no the scarecrow wanted a brain i think

[regal pulsar]

WHAT no way

[ripe mulch]

Tin man got the heart

[midnight heart]

the tin man did want a heart i think

[solemn sorrel]

Dream Friend Gim realizing his processor his a good enough substitute for a heart

[regal pulsar]

ok so

No way wizard of oz

[midnight heart]

and the lion wanted courage

[regal pulsar]

i have bad memory

[midnight heart]

same

..sometimes

[solemn sorrel]

Me when broom hatter, gim, and leongar

[midnight heart]

its spotty

[ripe mulch]

Gonna headcanon Gim carrying around a heart shaped watch now

[midnight heart]

the most iconic trio

[serene creek]

if i didn't fuck up some hammer flips

i'd have went lower

[somber cape]

i can't wait for the true true arena (true arena but with normal bosses added to the start)

[solemn sorrel]

To disrespect your time even further, we added Pyribbit DX to the True True Arena

But thats not all

You can get a Pyribbit for your Pyribbit DX, absolutely free

[solar nest]

cant wait for the true true true arena, where you face three of the four main squad (obviously, this depends on who you picked, so if you picked kirby for example, you’d fight triple d, mk, and bandee)

[ivory knot]

🤓

Sorry

[silk frost]

Youtube user segafan13 uploading the entire rtdx ost on youtube

[ivory knot]

Why did Kirby know about the coup

[earnest sphinx]

hard to miss the big-ass warship

[silk frost]

Why is VS Waddle Tank such a banger

[pearl fjord]

its the SS boss theme

[brazen laurel]

Not me reading this as Squeak Squad

[solar nest]

eternal:

[somber cape]

can't wait for the true true true true arena, where you get to fight every boss in the entire series in chronological order

[solar nest]

cant wait for the true true true true true arena, where you fight every boss from the dark souls games kirbified

[ripe mulch]

Can't wait for the true true true true true true arena where it's literally just that Waddle Dee from Kirby Super Star's arena and it has twenty phases

[silk frost]

who

[solar nest]

cant wait for the true true true true true true true arena, where its just void with 500 phases

[solar nest]

eternal is also a youtube user who has kirby soundtracks

but they dont have rtdl dx rn i think

[silk frost]

Protogen boss fight but waddle doo beam attack

[solar nest]

they do have og rtdl

[somber cape]

each phase is also separated by a 50 second long cutscene

[solar nest]

and they also have sub-phases of sorts where when the hp goes down by half it plays a 40 second cutscene

[jolly stream]

Revenge of Big Twin Astral Birth Soul of Dark Chaos Parallel Phantom Fecto Void EX DX 2.0 OS Returns

(I probably forgot something, lol.)

[solar nest]

not only that but it also has the SA boss title

[jolly stream]

I'm too tired to think of what that'd be

[random pine]

essence of whatever

[jolly stream]

Essence of Joe Mama: Revenge of Big Twin Astral Birth Soul of Dark Chaos Parallel Phantom Fecto Void EX DX 2.0 OS Returns

[limpid harbor]

How many Jack Horner videos do you have

[wicked wolf]

[wicked wolf]

You know

something I was always curious about

the ground having that sparkle lol

[odd rampart]

its because otherwise it'd look like they'd be on a 2D png that ehy should be falling down from

[wicked wolf]

makes sense

[limpid harbor]

It’s iconic now

[limber vessel]

kirby got that 64 pose

[terse gazelle]

Better Question, Why Does The Effect Change?

It Goes From Two Cycling Lights To Orange Ripples

[regal pulsar]

visibility reasons ig?

[wicked wolf]

yea probs

[regal pulsar]

was it there in the og

[wicked wolf]

yeah

[regal pulsar]

ah

not sure why the different look but i dont think it should matter that much

they lose it as soon as the floor starts crumbling anyways too

[wicked wolf]

Me when cutscene & in-game are inconsistent

I like how DX was so faithful

they KEPT the inconsistencies

like flipping the opening scene 😭

[north drift]

what even is the battlefield supposed to be

[limber vessel]

wait

[limpid harbor]

I think a black hole of some kind

[limber vessel]

i know why they used forgotten land dedede in this game

[regal pulsar]

are there any other places they use these rings for?

[limpid harbor]

It’s a orb with a ring around it

[north drift]

like i still dont quite understand what the area you fight magolor is

[limber vessel]

so people can’t just say “this game is just the original but with Rtx on!!!”

[limpid harbor]

Maybe it’s just there to look cool too

[regal pulsar]

its a planet

or a star rather, with an exposed orb

[heavy vigil]

it's Void

[north drift]

the orb is just there to look cool

until you get to the true arena

[regal pulsar]

cus its literally on fucking fire

and the orb also pulsates and create pulses

idk what thats about

[limpid harbor]

Inb4 they never explain the TA arena

[heavy vigil]

that or the same one from the Kirby Clash games

[limber vessel]

[limpid harbor]

Can someone send the magolor arena

[limpid harbor]

Oh nice

[wicked wolf]

I wish this area of Another Dimension had a name

instead of just us calling it "Magolor's Arena/Battlefield" LOL

[limpid harbor]

It’s HIS arena he OWNS it

[heavy vigil]

I guess you can call it

[true heath]

maybe upcoming guidebook will name it

[heavy vigil]

Another Dimension inside of Another Dimension

[regal pulsar]

srsly wat is going on w this place

What Are YOU

[wicked wolf]

The True Arena version reminds me of these concept artworks of the Decisive Battlefield from Kirby Clash. https://fxtwitter.com/Kirby_JP/status/1456516723234926596

[limpid harbor]

The space disc

[terse gazelle]

Why Does This Feel Like A Movie Reference

[regal pulsar]

wait

i think it literally might just be a star lol

[limpid harbor]

It isn’t I’m just

[regal pulsar]

theres like, these things going aroudn in the bg

and its p similar to what u see in the sun too i think

[heavy vigil]

oh look more voids

[limpid harbor]

The black circle makes me think it isn’t a star

[regal pulsar]

i forgot what theyre called tho

[limpid harbor]

But it could be

[regal pulsar]

well at least the blue fire planet is a star and the black orb may be a different entity

[wicked wolf]

https://media.giphy.com/media/vA51K1OPjLQF6ObRXY/giphy.gif

Jk

[terse gazelle]

With How Much Star Imagery There Is In The Franchise, It Would Be Incredibly Funny If It Suddenly Changed To Photorealistic Stars For Whatever Reason

[heavy vigil]

literally Void

[wicked wolf]

wait wrong gif fuck

[regal pulsar]

Hmm hold on

[limpid harbor]

When are you gonna drop your gif collection

[terse gazelle]

Blue Void

Yummy

Taste Like Berries

[regal pulsar]

When a star explodes, it leads to creation of many elements

[wicked wolf]

https://media.giphy.com/media/vnALg6av8TwwLzQ73a/giphy.gif

[heavy vigil]

[regal pulsar]

Would that be relevant to Void at all?

[wicked wolf]

https://media.giphy.com/media/XfsLIjrglRkSsAZVg1/giphy.gif

[heavy vigil]

nope

[limpid harbor]

Idk what kuma was thinking with the TA void lookalike

[true heath]

hmmm

[terse gazelle]

https://tenor.com/view/wocky-slush-slurpee-7eleven-7eleven-slurpee-spinning-slurpee-gif-23082348

[heavy vigil]

the reason why is because it's a Void

[limpid harbor]

Like what does that even imply????

[true heath]

can this be the center of another dimension

[heavy vigil]

there's nothing there

[limpid harbor]

If anything

[true heath]

we know its not the BOTTOM of another dimension cuz thats where magolor went in epilogue

[wicked wolf]

you mean a...Voidalike ;)

[regal pulsar]

Ugh, Void, why are you so void of void

you void

[true heath]

but it being the center would make sense especially with this sphere maybe being void

[regal pulsar]

i cant imagine it being anything

in fact i cant tell whats going on

[heavy vigil]

I wonder if you can go even further than that in a dimension like that

[regal pulsar]

because it literally falls apart into shattered glass

after u defea tmagolor

wtf is up w that

[wicked wolf]

異空の数だけ、自由に飛ぶ「ニル」が いた。
星のように 輝く彼を見て、古代の人々は 謎と共に書物に残した。
夢が、闇が、魂が、心が…
その物質に 混沌と可能性が全て集い、淵源の祖となり 生誕する。
There were as many “Nil” flying about freely as there were other skies. Seeing him shine like a star, ancient people described him in a book of riddles. 
Dream, Dark, Soul, Heart…
With Chaos and Potential completely gathered within these types of matter, he is born as the creator of the origin. 

there's this ig

[terse gazelle]

Does Another Dimension Even HAVE A Centre?

[limpid harbor]

I thought it was a black hole and the blue fire you fight on is an event horizon

[regal pulsar]

mmm ok

[true heath]

shrugs

maybe it does

[terse gazelle]

Isn't It Just Like The Space Between Reality?

[regal pulsar]

to be honest

he literally summons a balck hole in there

[terse gazelle]

So Imagine A Ballpit Full Of Universes

[regal pulsar]

it would be unwise to summon a black hole next to a black hole

(youll just make it bigger)

[terse gazelle]

And The Little Bits Of Empty Space Between The Balls Is Another Dimension

[limpid harbor]

Don’t know till you try

[regal pulsar]

also hold on

i think i had a thought going on

but i cant fucking ugh

I GOT DISTRACTED

fuck

[true heath]

to be fair magolor wasnt particularly wise at that moment

[regal pulsar]

lemme think ok

[serene creek]

meh, i just did slightly worse

i was doing so good too

but magolor soul was scuffed

[terse gazelle]

The Black Hole Wasn't Even Sucking In Anything

That Blue Sphere Could Just Be The Core Of A Star For All We Know

[regal pulsar]

the most pathetic black hole ever

[limpid harbor]

It is pretty tiny

[regal pulsar]

no i think its p damn huge relatively

so you wonder why you dont get uscked in the moment the planet is in sight

[limpid harbor]

Erm fighting on an event horizon looks cool af

[regal pulsar]

just posting these images im trying... to get at smth here

i really want to think the circular shape of magolor soul's body has to do with void

also the 1st image was me trying to say "ok so these guys share the same color so they must be the same thing"

because i was trying to rationalize why the fuck does the planet shatter like glass after u defeat magolor

and my thought process is like "oh what if u basically defeat the core of that planet that took form as magolor soul???" but i dont think it even makes sense

because you dont even attack the core itself

[wicked wolf]

It's the only time we see Another Dimension collapse like that too.

We already know that the dimensions are unstable because of the dimension wall (caused by the portals that lead you there?), but we never see them in-game shatter like glass

[regal pulsar]

which goes back to my insane cracked up theory

that the core must be !!! the source of master crown's power

which is why theres this whole thing about blue fire being a recurring motif of the master crown

and ALSO it shatters like glass just like how master crown itself shatters... what am i saying ugh

[true heath]

probably because you will be squished before it will shatter

[regal pulsar]

another thing is that when it uses monster flame, the dragons are blue instead of orange but thats prob just for consistency

[true heath]

my current insane theory that this sphere was always a void's core and it starts to look more void-like in TA fight because master crown's dark energy is at it's peak there

[regal pulsar]

the reason why i brought the theory up is cus it couldve explained why magolor chose to fight there (so it mustnt be a coincidence, especially w current circumstances). master crown mustve known and influenced him so it can maximize its combating advantages ?

[wicked wolf]

I like to think it's a Void of another world (not the one we fight in Star Allies) wandering the galaxy as it is dyed by things, and the Master Crown in the True Arena dyes it with dark matter similarly to how Star Allies' Void Termina came to be.

[regal pulsar]

in TA, the core shows its true form, LIKELY close to incarnation if we take void termina into account

[honest yarrow]

Meta Knight TA 11:35
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr_6UVO8Anc

Meta Knight's best of segment is faster than Dedede thanks to Galactic Counter spam

[odd rampart]

ok but like

i love that they chose THIS face as Void'ssplash screen

its like

[honest yarrow]

MK best of segments can sub 11 but that requires precise control

[terse gazelle]

Is This Lo-

[odd rampart]

wbat is lo

[regal pulsar]

ss

[limpid harbor]

locandra dimension

[limpid harbor]

you madman

[ivory knot]

A fight againts the main four would've been cool, from Magolor's perspective

Tho it'd be a way cheaper way of storytelling than the tree

[wispy crypt]

Some of us speculated Magolor might fight against... Traitor Magolor

Which I also think would be one of the manifestations the Master Crown projects towards Magolor to try to throw him off his redemption arc

[midnight heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wiqvk09bb4

[wispy crypt]

DAMN

[earnest sphinx]

[midnight heart]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jyi2gDz0k9I throwback

this one also has no dashing

its not damageless but they take very little (no healing)

[hushed mica]

Wack

[royal gulch]

Bro I thought 99,999 would be the max amount of Magic Points in Epilogue

[valid locust]

DFGSDJGJDGJDFJG THERE IS NO WAY THIS IS TRUE

[earnest sphinx]

LMAOOOOO