#Return to Dream Land Deluxe
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idk was checking the chat, saw that you were talking about scope shot and took the chance
Blooming Blasters can be improved and turned into a better minigame tbh
Booming blasters is just top down ranger ability
and its boring!
i still like to remember my reaction to the ranger ability
my eyes can't believe what i was witnessing
kirby with a gun
that'll be Kirby on the Draw
Dedede's winning animations in the minigames are peak
Society if SSU didn't include Kirby on the Mid:
i still gotta find a way to install kirby super star ultra in my 3ds
Hai
So real for this
I will be staying in the one without magoland....scope shot solos

i like to imagine that if we had a canonical merry magoland
like, the real one on kirby's universe outside of the game
It would actually have every single minigame in the series including Scope Shot and such
every single minigame no exception
average kumazaki verb
Ultra Magoland deluxe
God what is it like having a conversation with Kumazaki
from the funny
WHAT
to the stupid
when we bringing back that sticker?
localizes it as burst
when we bringing back that sticker
wait now that i think about it
how would this minigame work with bandee and meta knight tho
why do they have different mechanics?
i dont recall anythng of the sort
would they not just hopscotch
normally
spoiler they don't
yea makes sense
whether or not they eat it, they'd have taken the apples
i can imagine meta knight and bandee pulling out the same baskets as in egg catcher in this one
That's the spirit
Kumazaki dropping the phrase "world line" like any of use understand what this means
...you do realize this is kirby we're talking about
stares at wiki page you know what yeah I'll just ignore this one idk what hes cooking
yea but i feel bad for bandee and meta knight adjakdñszj
...What if we got a Kirby Battle Royale Remake in the style of Kirby's Return to Dreamland Deluxe with lots of new stuff to fix all the issues with the original game
Kirby
idk just had that random idea while looking at all of the minigames
the funny
we love to see it
btw, what y'all think of this idea?
i think it would be pretty neat if we had something like this
Probably better this way lmao
between dedede drum dash deluxe and battle royale to get a remake for the switch, i would want battle royale
kumazaki dodging questions compilation
They sh ould put 100 kirbies in battle royale
ANOTHER FUNNY I LOVE THIS LOOOOOL (the first line is the title of this section that is starting)
It's funny cause says "Yes. But actually playing the whole game can make you come to different conclusions"
interviewer: 🫵 you are biased kuma
Kumazaki is the creator of Magolor
Kumazaki is the creator of Magolor.
Kumazaki is the creator of Magolor.
Kumazaki is the creator of Magolor.
when I review this I will probably change to "Kumazaki, you are the creator of Magolor." since funny japanese but yes for now please laugh
magolor the kuma self insert
Sleep being an actual copy ability to fight and Kirby attacked with his pillow
We need that to return askldzsñ
for the record, this is the RtDLD chat, so if you want to talk about ideas for future kirby games, your best bet is to use #kirby-kingdom
alright alright sorry
i get too carried away when i talk about kirby asdkjlajklas
i start with Kirby Return to Dreamland Deluxe and my worst result is ending on Kirby's Mass Attack
wanya
Context makes it sound like the way we talk about "continuities" or "timelines".
wanya wanya?
it's actually 1 PM here but good night dee
I kinda have a problem
after relistening to the Magolor Fun Disc (one of those japanese fan album CDs)
...it has the best version of Welcome your new overlord lol
I have a true arena addiction
and I now wish there was an EX version of that song where Ishikawa just dubsteps it
lol
Like seriously I need help lol
anyone else having an issue with EX boss masks not unlocking?
I got Whispy Woods' and Mr. Dooter's masks but nothing after
I guess the obvious question but have you been defeating said ex bosses? if you've defeated them and return to magoland, they should all be given to you
for the record I'm all the way in Dangerous Dinner
ohh
oh wait
did you revisit magoland?
do I need to go to Magoland to get them?
yeee
Yeah
ahh that'd do it
there we go then haha
Related, I've been finding joy in fighting the ex bosses wearing the mask of their normal mode counterpart
disappointed there's not a D3 mask
I was hoping for that rather than a Metal General EX mask
yeah same
Also a Lor Starcutter mask would be really funny
the lor has come to play in merry magoland
I find it funny that the cone Kirby got a mask instead of the car
I guess cuz the car got a rock form
tru
I was disappointed that neither phase 2 nor soul get masks
phase 2 of who
mago
(you might also hear it referred to as Crowned Magolor - but he doesn't have a real name lol)
other than just Magolor
can't wait for free dlc to come out a year later that adds more masks
gOD ACTUALLY THO PLEASE
oh
It would be so awesome
it would be so cool
"no longer a sidekick no that's not me" - elfilin becoming a playable character
planting hints to the greater kirby multiverse in this discord as we talk
better yet make Elfilin the main character
instant improvement
The Lor Starcutter has come to play in Merry Magoland!
I KNEW IT
the masks kind of act as the games big quantity collectible
lmao fight the starcutter while it wears a whispy mask or something
also hi guys
besides the spheres
whispy's REVENGE
biblically accurate whispy woods
holy woods
that should be a new "curse."
holy woods, what the crown are you doing
I don't know.
man I remember people joking about penultimate whispy fight
I didn't expect it to be the literal final fight lmao
Imagine how cool it would be to have a canon Meta Knightmare
I still can't get over how the two big jokes about the epilogue more or less came true
actually predicted some stuff
mfw our jokes come true and the theories we come up with are dead wrong
And then an Ultimate Cup Z-like canon boss rush has Meta Knight challenging you in the penultimate fight, being the hardest Knight fight to date.
the HAL intern in this server seeing us talk about morpho being a given
that would be sick
Like his experience fighting Galacta, Dark, and Morpho have trained him to become almost Kirby’s equal in power
a secret final fight where the world isn't at stake but meta knight just wants to kick your ass
like starfy's secret final boss lol
A Meta Knight fight where he doesn’t hold back, but he still provides a sword for a fair fight
hopefully no insta-kill moves this time, right 
all thats missing here is peak music
What if you’re FORCED to use the sword, and you can’t reject it.
Or maybe you CAN reject it, but he’d fight a lot less fair
It would be awesome if a potential true arena Meta Knight was the ONLY opponent capable of piercing invincible guards with basic attacks
When you get caught by the tornado gust and lose 80% of your hp 
i kind of hoped that when you beat Traitor Magolor and/or Magolor Soul, they would show up to play in Merry Magoland
one side of me says that this is stupid and makes no sense, while the other just wants to see Magolor Soul paint caricatures or something in Magoland
wait what was the other one
imagine the master crown
bros prob bigger than the entire park
I would love it lol
Clash jokes
ahh
i was so close #1019293243944476672 message
the game ends with magolor putting on a green version of his outfit to replace his destroyed one
honestly RtDLDX pretty much just confirmed some things I was already suspecting about the Clash universe anyway
I originally imagined it being an alternate universe where Dark Mind won in Amazing Mirror and the Kirbies ended up getting stripped of their powers, hence why they use actual weapons and armor and why it has such a prominent role
well we always knew clash verse was an AU
and that magolor as the same
what this game confirmed was the timeline of magolor getting there
although it's also nice to get more confirmation of stuff in games rather than supplemental material outside of them that is japanese only lol
wasnt it confirmed that clasholor and magolor were the same character like a week before rtdx dropped
through some article or something
It was dug up in the weeks leading up to RTDX
thats funny
You reject it, only for MK to come down and kick the sword
it's nice that Kumazaki was able to get the idea be turned into an entire mode/small game
I mean the interview is from 2017
it was just like
a rare fact I guess
yeah the idea was as far back as that
I don't remember if that mini arc in the TKCD website also confirmed that
I never knew that but it definitely explains the kirby statue
it was a common theory anyway
nice that RTDLDX delivered the chance for it to happen
with only magolor calling him kirby of the stars and stuff
I can't remember if I'm gaslighting myself but I remember people in 2019 or something going "ah yeah this is the same magolor as revealed in this stupid japanese only source"
I was so sure we were finally getting galacta back story 😭
i saw the fiery puffer on the back and was 100% sure we were getting hades
should've taken into consideration that it also said "interdimensional traveler" there too
I thought morpho/galacta were locks 
I liked what we got but still lol
kumazaki instead was like: christianity

because he's gonna make GK and morpho the focuses of their own games 😈
I was really hoping for a completely new final boss because all the other final bosses are just basically more rematches
The omega ultimate Meta Knightmare where you have to fight Dark, Galacta, and Morpho at the same time
Three Mage Sisters but even harder 💀
Master Crownn kinda is
please take that idea out of my mind I cannot handle worse mage sisters
Istg next mainline better be the Knights lore game
Stop using Galacta poorly!!!!
fr
i like how they did morpho in FL though
mfs be like "a whole game about GK/Morpho wouldn't work" but then HAL does it and it works
we need an acronym for morpho that isnt MK
Just call him morpho
shorten it more im lazy
morp
good
morp is my 2nd favorite forgotten land boss
FL Morpho is good but quite predictable compared to Phantom Meta
デラ以前に10年前の公式大全の時点で「クラウンに意識があるように見せたくて王冠の目をいやらしい笑い目にしました」って書かれてるから完全にアウトです
talking about this note of crowned magolor design
やらしい笑い目 (eye that laughs in a creepy way)
Mor. K
Or its Japanese name BK
Wait shit not Burger King
so from what the original design note says the crown's eye should be even more creepy like the crowned magolor himself?
what does that mean 
Magolor Soul joins in on the juggling with Dooter
Isn`t it saying "I wanted it to appear like the eye came from the Crown, so I created an eye with a nasty smile"
As in the way magolor's eye is also a smiling mouth is to show that the eye belongs to the crown
sounds interesting
anyway there are more fanart of the crown itself recently
so its eye has expressions lol
I just read the ESRB summary of RtDL Deluxe
This is a side-scrolling adventure platformer in which players assume the role of Kirby, a small round character trying to help an alien. Players traverse whimsical levels while using cartoony weapons/skills (e.g., swords, bursts of fire/ice/electricity, jetpacks with small cannons, oversized missiles) to defeat robots, dragons, and boss characters. Fighting can be frenetic at times, with gunfire sounds, missile/bomb explosions, screen-shaking effects, and cries of pain; enemies disappear into puffs of smoke when defeated. Mini-games contain additional acts of fantasy violence: aiming and shooting projectiles at targets or opponents; samurai-like duels in which players use fans/pies to hit opponents.
definitely worth E10+ /s
ESRB make sense challenge (Impossible)
hot
love it when i cant dodge anything
the lasers aren't even that hard when they can be dodged via i-frame moves
Yea lol
But Im only really thinking about no ability anyway
back in Star Allies when the knights have tornadoes that can't be dodged at all
Even then you can probably just dodge through the laser with how fast it moves across the screen
basically SA knight tornado equals to Star Dream Soul OS's desperate attack in terms of hitbox
O-oh, I thought I was safe in the corner
some Dark Mind disco bomb reference I guess
Oh I guess it is pretty similar huh
But yea the fun part about this is I made it so that the apple is floating in the middle of the air here
So no ability kirby can't hit it
what's no ability kirby even supposed to do normally? Can you just inhale that big apple?
this will affect no damage runs I think
Yea you can super inhale his gem apples
You could also try breaking them by slide kicking I know you can break the small apples that way I dunno about the big one
You could also inhale the enemies he summons to spit stars at the apple too
the apple that kills you instantly
100 HP damage per bomb right
Mork
yes, but the combo rate is 0.25
so total damage of all three bombs at max level is 100+25+25=150
Ah
also what’s tsubazeriai? the sword fight at the end?
yes
it means sword lock yea
ah
or just struggle
that name is also used in FL truck QTE
me after eating a gem apple
it's basically how HAL calls QTE
me when i eat the apple that kills you instantly (ive blown up into pieces and this is the last piece of my body that is not yet turned to ashes)
Yea
I think they used CloseContest instead for SA
And I think they just called it Screw in PR? Or maybe that was something else, I forget
Screw is funny
well it is a drill screw fight
Who designed a screwhead onto Star Dream 😭
well Soul OS just doesn't give a f*ck and inhales Kirby anyway
soul os stops the epic music
btw speaking of no ability
Kirby just doesn't see the nuke apple because the tree was already beaten
実際にビデオを録画したのはfentuさんで、私は彼のために投稿を手伝っただけです。今回は、switch自身の記録映像を使った編集映像です。
Haltmann thought it would be funy
"It's for maintenance"
ok yea I successfully dodged through my giant hado lasers lol
Master Crown needs way more health smh
no ability is surprisingly fast for this battle
Oh actually I was able to break the big gem apple with air puffs
HAL just keeps the 0.75 multiplier for TA in RtDL Deluxe
in previous titles sometimes they just give TA bosses a separate multilier
they can give the ME bosses higher HP but no
I think it was just Robobot that had separate multipliers right
even TD has them
Well in the first place Kirby doesn't fight them outside TA so they could've given them twice the HP and given Magolor twice the damage
DMK has higher base HP, but Shadow Dedede has higher HP in TA
I think they just wanted epilogue bosses to have low hp
Whack
still Dedede is bulkier because he has higher defense
This appears in the corner while you’re watching Nickelodeon
the king dedede's theme remix in rtdl/rtdx is really good
Lmfao yeah I went into FL like "I know Morpho will be here and it will be raw"
And it was raw
And he actually impacted the plot!!!!! Wowzers!!!!!
we all knew what was coming when the butterfly appeared in the intro cutscene and was quite clearly getting sucked into the portal
knight fights in the main plot 🤯
GK did a similar thing in Robobot but it was non canon harharhar
HAL actually changed MK's attack names for the FL version
And also localized out IIRC lmfao
...Well, this doesn't accomplish anything except making him look stupid
Actually im not sure if it was mentioned that GKs attack is what activated soul OS in game
If anything it more clearly highlights the hitboxes of his roots
So maybe its a bad idea lol
the roots look so funny
Galactic Counter hitbox
Wait normally the buildings in the background don't break until he uses the red hado laser at the start of phase 2 right
It starts at phase 2 I think
laser is start of phase 2 but that's not what the question is about
I didn't even notice they broke
Yes the buildings break when he does the laser
FAYE OMG YOU KNOW WHAT THIS LOOKS LIKE
in ME the buildings break immediately when the battle begins
It's when he does the laser that's when they break
HDKFBDGHKNVJDFKBVG HOLY CRAP THAT'S SO ACCURATE
However it seems like the buildings actually start falling when being to battle Master Crown
so only for the first time
if Magolor dies, the next time it's like The True Arena
I'M GONNA EAT TREE CROWN'S TASTY ROOTS 😋 😋 😋
No they break as the fight goes along
Yeah they start falling
now I understand
It's just by the time the laser happens they've fallen down
they start breaking during the intro
Great attention to detail
so if you skip the intro, they don't break as fast
Failboat chat: Yes, we want to eat the Crown's tasty roots. (harassment)
Ah ok
Holy shit I never noticed the buildings crumbling during the crown fight (
i am not observant)
:rdj:
the buildings also have similar designs to those in Egg Engines
Coming up next is the Dark Meta Knight Show, only on NICK TOONS
"Insert random clip from the show here"
what song is Another Domination?
vs Crowned Doomer
I realized when I recognized the grand doomer motif
Man you dont know how fucking in zone I was when I first heard that intro
Hazemoto be like: How do I accidentally make the best modern Kirby boss battle theme yet
STICKO
YES
I like that Crowned Doomer is just the same guy. Grand Doomer ultra hating he just came back
He's such a hater ❤️
wait what country is 0th again
with a sick new look, too
Grand Doomer? More like Grand Hater
Crowned Hater
“You steal my ship part? I steal your apple out of spite!!”
Grand Doomer stealing the Apple in an act of cosmic justice is pretty funny
God said "L Magolor"
"Can't spell Magolor without the L"
Wonder how the Grand Doomer and Crown exchange went.
👑 "Use your position to get me those apple slices"
🟠 "or what"
👑 (gets into his open mouth)
🟠 "I'm so hungry for apples"
Malaysia
Damn girl we need sleep!
I gotta wake up early due to fasting 😔 😔
gl on the fasting 💪
thanks were only like 5 days in or smth. 25 more days to go 
0th is the entire country of malaysia
yeah
Damn gl
PLATINUM ON ALL STAGES GG
dammit man im on mobile i thought there was a hair on my screen
Hey guys I beat just the true arena in rtdldx with normal Kirby and no souvenirs !
Nice
GG
octav didn't u say this already
but gg
No that was robobot
Ah ok, gg all the same
Hell yeah! Welcome to the No ability club!
I would never be able to do that
Hey, I once thought the same thing
I once thought that then I did it in Soul Melter EX so I feel a little accomplished
Same
I almost wanna get Star Allies JUST for the Ultimate Choice alone, but I just can’t justify $60 for it
dang
It does sometimes go on sale at other places
pog
who was the hardest for you
If I could get it for $30, that would be worth
Looking out of raw curiosity, looks like both Walmart and Target have Star Allies for $45 physical ($53 digital, why the difference? no idea)
So, not $30 low in my quick search, but who knows in the future. Also used copies probably exist
I might try that in the future
I’m gonna crack Magolor open like an egg, and scramble his guts. Not out of hatred or anything, I just feel like it :3
must be a local thing, it's the same price where I live physical & digital. Was at walmart today to pick something up and saw some copies of SA, still full price here
this is still the deepest lore tbh
This makes me cry. i can't believe this made me cry. Kumazaki, you did it again
This is true art
to Dream Land
Now that I think of it I kinda want a remake of triple deluxe, with Taranza story with it.
I'm imagining PEAK
Interesting
Plus we could see his friend and more about the mirror
I'm imagining KINO
Me when I see CINEMA in my kirby game
The counterpart to this would be Taranza calling for Sectonia and then seeing these four fucks
HAHAHHAHAHA
Credits playing this at one point https://youtu.be/MdQYyRvZjyU
"Eternal Dream" from the new Kirby Memorial Arrangements album. All rights belong to HAL Laboratories, Nintendo, and their respective composers.
"Sectonia...! Please listen to me...! I'm still here...! Snap out of it...!"
(high-pitched whirring sounds as four Miracle Fruits levitate into the sky from behind him)
"Hey, HEY, WHAT GIVES?! HEY STOP! STOP! STOP STOP STOP STOP! WHAT THE HELL"
Are you saying you want Taranaza mode to imply that he's the reason that Sectonia Soul exists
Yes 
😭 😭 😭 😭 😭
Not directly
but the miracle he hoped for did occur, but not in the way he wanted...
THATS AWFUL
A miracle happened, she resurrected, but she forgot herself and couldn't hear his voice anymore...


man taranza epilogue would be so coolllll
I want it
Gotta wait like 5 more years tho 
My concept for it is that taranza will try to get the mirror world version of sectonia to the real world, and fights dark taranza
i really like dark taranza's desing and i wish it wasn't stuck on a 3ds eshop exclusive game
what if for a Taranza Epilogue
you'd gather pieces of a seed or whatever
to grow a Dreamstalk
maybe they help with the growth? idk
whatever caused that dreamstalk seed to fucking glow in that cutscene
but then again a lot of seeds grow immediately
The 🐍 when it's important:
it was due to their hopes and dreams or whatever
but then uhhhh
something takes over that seed
and it becomes
FLOWERED DARK MI

A
Idk but seeing a variant of Dark Mind based on Sectonia would be COOL
Actually true
Tho you'd be jumpscared
OH MY GOD
I think it being a moon would be funnier
what if its Mr Shine and Mr Bright expy
like how Master Crown is a Whispy Expy
THOSE FLOWER CYCLOPS THINGS
you know, that'd also be a funny expy for a Marx-centered mode LOL

with Void and Elfilis i feel like Kirby's skewing away from like
well not truly skewing away but like theres this vibe where there's a reason as to why a character would choose to be evil like idk
i have the vibe that they wont put Dark Mind as the reason Sectonia was corrupted
they want you to know that Evil comes from Anywhere
but also that Good comes from Anywhere
Oh my idea was less
Dark Mind from Amazing Mirror caused it but
it'd be kind-of like Sectonia's own negative thoughts LOL
or well I guess you could make it a Nightmare expy too if it's dream themed lol
i feel like Whispy works as the expy because they signify the original sin/misdeeds theme
and it connects to Magolor
i think Taranza should fight Morpho Knight personally idk
insect + moth (related to death) + sunset
I think Morpho should go hard on the death theme
Or you could have the 4 eye flowers from SoS intro be the "antagonists who are cooking"
actually
yeah why not
make those the antagonists

eh
i feel like we put so much into putting the little pieces on the big picture
Magolor Epilogue just needed the Gem Apple and the Master Crown and thats it
especially if its gonna be similar to epilogue, tha tmeans you'd be fighting bosses like. Coily Rattler 3, Paintra 3, Pyribbit 4
Idk I like funny flowereds 
Flowery Expy because both would have been caused by Taranza 
Thats literlaly just sectonia
exactly
ehh

(I don't think she should be final boss for that LOL)
Not really sure what'd be a viable "original" final boss
Morpho Knight could work, 100%
Para Matter when/aka Drawcia:
Magolor fights the Master Crown as an atonement for misdeeds
Taranza's misdeeds is helping/enjoying overruling a kingdom/country
Like, there's a whole lot of other aspects to him like
imagine Puppetry
Thats the thing with him he's got a puppetry theme but he was like a puppet himself, ordered by Sectonia
Ok i got it
either Dark Taranza (epic super kirby clash lore again!) or a "Dark" Sectonia
nah its not the mirror im trying to go for
im trying to signify a Puppeteer figure to his "puppet" minion status
the Themes™️ of the character™️
me when King D-Mind & Queen Sectonia are the real masterminds
yeaahhhh i think thats the vibe i dont want to see
Its Taranza's story not Sectonia's or Dark Mind's or the Mirror's
you know with Metal General's new lore right?
if it doesnt focus on Taranza as a character than it kinda fails as a successor to Magolor Epilogue personally
literally Paintra's Master over again
I don't think Dark Mind or Sectonia would fit either lol
It's like if Magolor Epilogue had uhhhh Hyness or 0³ LOL
Honestly my main wish for Taranzalogue would be if it's a mix of HiAD/IIFD & Epilogue lol
You'd try to resurrect Sectonia as Taranza but the mode doesn't actually end with something like that
well it will because it'll lead to SoS in TA in my idea 
Taranza Epilogue should focus on him getting over the desth of sectonia
Yease
Give taranza a reason to seek sectionia beyond pure denial
"Sectonia. Show me the secret password to removing Bugs from Floralia"
"pw3825749391f294529187"
"thats too much...!"
Finally. A water Pyribbit
hyribbit
empy?
Empyrean is very different from pyro and hydro
ah yes like Electricky is a word that exists
Why is it electricky? Electric would be perfectly fine
because the original name is a pun
its not the same pun
but they made it a pun in English
It means Dooter is a bitch
to keep the vibe
Why does nobody like the name Electricky, it’s funny

i like it
Empyribbit would be fucking cool btw
I love it, it is so silly
Fits nicely with the name Dooter in that way
Electricky Wicky Dooty
https://gamebanana.com/mods/432548 finally the only mod that matters for rtdx came out
waiting for the mod that enables co-op characters to be p1 and im replaying the whole game
Why was night sky not the reward for all 120 missions
I mean I guess it is if you consider that ceremony a reward
ooh that's pretty
also someone modded kf2 mask into the game and honestly it looks raw on rtdx dedede
oh damn
it's stuff like these that makes me somewhat tempted to mod my switch but at the same time I don't want to get banned by Nintendo 
Simply be rich and have a second switch 
merry magoland but epic
honestly if it wasn't for joycon drift i'd probably have a switch lite
#gigabyte-grounds lol
The person who made that mod talks there sometimes
IKR I was thinking the same thing after completing the missions
That'll be so cool
2 many lasers
🇫
Too many... lasers? How?
actually it wasnt the laser attack
he was moving through the portals and then the game crashed
in the end what I retain of RTDX the most
Magolor vs like 300 ft tree
Rampaging doomers
Also Whispy is honestly harder than master crown
Disagree
3rd hardest for me
This is for no ability
Master crowns attacks are pretty much all inhaleable and there are stars
Whispy has gordos and poison apples which make the fight really tricky with no ability
It’s crazy how MC went from a genuine challenge with mag to a complete joke with basic inhale, the epilogue bosses in ta being way too underpowered (or overpowered for ramping doomers) is the exactly what happens when you don’t balance around kirby
Rampaging doomers should definitely drop more recoil stars
i mean rampaging doomers are just a background boss lol
but anyway the Epilogue Bosses suffer from the same problem Morpho Knight did in SA where they're balanced around someone barely getting any upgrades
i think they tried to compensate for this by making them harder to hit but eh
Fiery puffer has such low health for a post game boss, it’s depressing
rampaging doomers are annoying until you start to realize how to avoid their damaging trail
Yea, hen I found out you could duck under many of their attacks it was a life saver
unfortunately i'm blind as shit and there's barely any contrast so i can't even see the trails
its still hard to keep track of them but not as much as on my first playthrough of epilogue
didn't have any trouble with them tbh
i realized pretty early on that their clouds were just delayed explosions so i could literally just i-frame through them safely
seriously tho
the whole ME becomes easy when you get Magic Barrier
Merry Magoland but based
Invincible guards typically turn any challenge into a joke
Only a handful of boss laser attacks can get through
if you read the interview this month you probably know
HAL wants to make the game approachable to players of all ages
i don't remember accidentally dying until reaching master crown
and that was because i was deliberately prolonging the fight so i could see all the attacks
Yep, being approachable has always been the series’ philosophy, it’s why it has such great potential
Still waiting for a mod with this as reskin for ME
Lil baby
bitch...
Come on HAL make plushies of all Magolor costumes I'll be happy to surrender my money to funny catboy
I hate this egg! He removed scope shot from his ship
Magolor in ME is broken only if you upgrade Magolor Surge
Magic Sphere is just weak
He is Scope Shot enemy #1
bosses have 75% HP in TA but considering there are 21 battles I think that's fare
it's already the longest TA in the series
tbh i wished the ME bosses put up more of a fight in TA
Soul Melter EX isn't even that long with no ability because Star Bullet gets an exclusive buff here
Fiery Puffer is quite reasonable to me
if you stop the phase 2 rolling, you are good
if not you waste 20 seconds
Electricky is a bit easy because he's the level 1 boss of ME
Rampaging Doomers and Crowned Doomer are all about memorizing their patterns
their patterns are better than the Mage Sisters I would say
Imo it would drag everything down too much
It felt just right to me
same
concentration is imporant
the only thing I don't like about the remake is the ability nerfs
Despite having a lot of bosses, TA in RTDX had great pacing
Which is not something i can say for some of the past ones
Helps replayability
it felt underwhelming to me
in part because I first-tried it lol
Anyone got a compilation of all of Magolor's costumes
Well not everyone is peak gamer like you are i guess
I second tried it, magolor soul dx caught me off guard
Either way replay value in the long run is more important to me than the difficulty the first time you play it
Kill Magolor
i had the benefit of knowing about new soul beforehand, I probably would've died if I hadn't known that the blackholes were bs
Me when my precious game breaking sand ability was taken away from me by two black holes
what's better than a Black Hole? 2 Black Holes
Stupid Magolor smh
one thing to meation is that RtDL and the remake tend to have higher damage output because of the combo rate being fixed 0.75
since TD, moves have their own individual combo rate, usually resulting in lower DPS than RtDL
let's say, Sword and Spear are the worst abilities in TD because of their pathetic combo rates
but they are quite good in RtDL
that contributes to the TA difficulty
actually the final thrust has i-frames in TD and SA, but not RtDL
is RTDL DX Dedede better than RTDL Dedede in terms of usage?
i've noticed that at least with bandee
he'll just keep moving forward into the boss like in og rtdl
yes
but i remember SA / KF2 having him held back when using that spear jab combo
Original rtdl Dedede was ass in hindsight
he got the job done
Spear Barrage has 24 base power
but in TD, the combo rate reduces consecutive hits to 10 power
24, 10, 10, 10...
then the boss has a defense modifier
so even worse damage
here's a TD TA video of Spear
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0eg0MyBIwdg
currently Spear has the worst TD TA time record (not counting no ability) btw
RTDX Dedede is arguably the best playable appearance of his
the DMK fight is the worst part of the video (as the player mentions)
But i think both Bandana Dee and Meta Knight were nerfed by comparison
To their SA appearances that is
hmmm in terms of damage?
oh
Well
I think Bandee can't do one combination of attacks anymore and Galactic Counter is no longer invincible
not really when both games have different boss i-frames
Ah
Bandee is just as good as in RtDL
they should've given Bandee that scrapped move they found in the files of OG rtdl
where he does that copter spin below him
meanwhile MK is just swole with Galactic Counter
would've been so useful for him imo
true like the arrow rain during copter
now here is Spear in RtDL Deluxe
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekHXhEogGDM
imagine a boss fight with Galatic Counter Meta Knight
sub 14 is like 7/10 for speedrun tier
tbf atfl MK's charge move that you parry is kinda like that
at least similar
to speedrun with Spear you have to use Spear Barrage but not reaching the combo rate frame threshold
wtf is that spear throw damage gaw dayumn
so you ahve to time it
if the consecutive hits within 24 frames it is multiplied by 0.75
Kirby game have so much fighting game-like mechanic.
why do you think i like it
That's also why I like it
but in SA the combo rate time is much longer so it's impossible to do the same trick
DO THEY HAVE TO FLEX BY DROPPING ABILITY TO AVOID FATTY PUFFER LOL
I like Kirby because games scratch itches of interesting interaction with the environments but also letting me destroy everything in my path in style
huh really? does it do more damage
yeah I don't remember exactly how much but it's like doubled?
resulting in some abilities even slower than no ability in extra
same lmao, I need more merch of this lad
Soul Melter EX only
i cant read
Float up next to him
Depends on the situation
Also because Poison Apples will damage you if inhaled
Which will stink if you were eating a whole group of normal ones when this thing shows up
Also floating is a bad idea because EVERY attack falls from the ceiling
it never falls right next to whispy
the top right is always the safe zone
the whole point of Whispy EX is that this is the first time he can inhale Kirby
eh? Normal whispy can too?..
I thought normal Whispy could inhale you in RtDL
yeah even in the original
right I just typo'd
it's not meant to be a hard fight
EX adds the root attacks
so you can't always stay at the bottom right corner
but that's it
for no ability speedrun it's still faster to get inhaled to end his defense buff quickly
One thing I hate about this ta specially is that you have to shake the controller/wiggle the control stick for a super inhale and I’ve never been good at mashing, qtr or anything in that capacity so have to do that the whole 40+ minute run while cramping my big adult hands around the small joycon controller can get tiresome
You can just hold the inhale for a few, it just takes longer to activate
(Also I’m a cheapskate and can’t be bothered to buy a new controller just for Kirby)
super inhale is less demanding compared to Spark or Needle
Yeah I know, but it takes a second and many times I need it in a pinch for quick reaction to multiple projectiles
Fair
Yeah, one of the reasons I dislike spark/plasma so much is the heavy reliance on it
if you only want to challenge it once that's enough
in speedrun you just have to shake it during the Lor shooting
I did all the checkerboard chase missions without breaking my perfect winning streak
I understand the remake should keep the old shaking control, but the shootings in PR and SA are just better imo
shaking affects your movement control
does Spark/Plasma have a Hold B move?
also charging a shot slows Landia's movement
the current Lor EX TA record is around 48 seconds btw
phase 1 is actually very easy because the starting point is actually the safe zone
you don't move and spam charge shots
Lor's boomerangs just won't hit you
Huh. Always thought you had to adjust your position to be at that blindspot
Cool to know for later
the easiest way to buff Spark without changing its mechanics is just lowering the mashing/shaking threshold
That's basically what they did for the 3DS titles, wasn't it?
I don't think it's even changed in 3DS titles
I swore it took far less overall inputs to charge to full Spark in those titles...
to compensate for the loss of Wii Remote shaking
but also the damage nerfed (as was the moveset) to compensate
what if we incorporate Mecha's stored charge into Spark?
where we hold B to create and Spark Barrier, but once we flick up after the holding we get one spark charge
so I'm reading some datamine values
where we can shoot as a spark arrow?
RtDL (proably the same in deluxe)
max charge value=1000
shake remote +10
mash d-pad +30
TD
max charge value=2000
rotate stick +60
mash d-pad +72
RtDL requires 660 charge value to reach max level
minimum: 660/30=22F
(of course that's TAS input and impossible for human)
TD requires 1320 to reach max level
1320/72=19F
so it's barely a change for human
Huh, so that does confirm my suspicion - even if the data is ultimately only a few notches different
trivia: in TD if you both rotate stick (+60) and mash d-pad (+72), stick is prioritized
so mashing d-pad is better
meanwhile Archer for comparison
Shot: 16 power, hold 28F or less
Snipe Shot: 24 power, hold 29F-63F
Magic-Star Arrow: 50 power, hold 64F
Spark/Plasma max level: 40 power
I haven't counted the charge time of Mecha but it's just way slower
and Full Charge Blast does 12+9×2+12=42 damage in total
HAL holds back a lot when giving Mecha's values
Feared that it would end up being too strong only for sand to be the best instead
It definitely feels like they held back a bit with mecha
Everyone was also worried on seeing it in the trailers for the first time lol
But nope, it was sand they should have been concerned about lol
I just calculated the Spark Robobot Armor max laser
72+18×5=162 damage
the base power is 72 lol
imagine if it has no combo rate
The ability to attack from a distance is still nice at least
I want to never play tome trackers and Kirby on the draw again but I also want to 100% rtdx
tome trackers took me the most tries to 100%
They probably do that because it lets them position themselves better than dodging does
yeah it's more about positioning
There’s a lot of iframes after swallowing an ability and you have free movement during it unlike a dodge
Those 2 minigames and the magoland tour missions are the only things left
I’m really close to 100%ing rtdldx, as long as you don’t count Magoland
I might be unhinged
I spent day 1 downloading the game
I spent day 2 getting 120/120 in Magoland
I got Kirby Master by March 4th
RTDL Deluxe is a good family game
Even better than Forgotten Land
Oh for sure
Problem is I only got to play with someone else for the first time last week
I see.
how was the experience?
A lot of the puzzles become even funnier if you play multiplayer
Oh playing with my brother was a blast
We got up to a ton of shenanigans
And yes, he did the funny
You're laughing under that mask
Magoland is actually very necessary for 100% 
it's weird how you can't adjust the amount of rounds in a magoland tour
what is this dream buffet
cant believe we can adjust samurai kirby wins needed for victory but not this 🙄
you can adjust the amounts of rounds...
based on difficulty
wait
nevermind
I thought Easy only have you go through 3
Chips
Ok, just gotta say, something that has been making me lose my mind lately is the Kirby model in RTDLDX…
Is it forgotten Lands model? A slightly changed version? Like I don’t get it…
Sometimes it looks like FLs models, other ones it doesn’t, but obvs they wouldn’t just swap the model out every 5 seconds
I think it's just a modified dream buffet model
The one in magoland is the fl model tho
Different models for Gameplay and Magoland? Wild
I think
They do that with the NPC and enemy Waddle Dees as well. I wonder if it's the same for the bosses that come to play in Magoland?
I’m talking specifically Kirby tho
Waddle Dees I knew about and can spot the difference
But like sometimes Kirby looks like FL and other times he looks more like Star Allies
Ultimately it doesn’t mean anything, and I’m not complaining about it, I’m just curious
of all things to talk about here I am
Guess it’s just a mouth texture playing tricks on me
Because it's cool
I think his eyes are reflecting the green surroundings the same way they reflect the stars in the Star Allies art
Doesn’t look like the Star Allies model imo
idk much what it means but lol (from https://gigi9714.wordpress.com/2022/07/31/translation-of-the-kirby-and-the-forgotten-land-interview-from-the-june-2022-edition-of-nintendo-dream/)
The eyes are smaller
but it was a conscious decision at least
big ol eyes
people be comparing models for kirby and I'm like "they all look cute idk"
True
except Super Star
that is not a model
Tbh Kirby character designs are simple but differences between designs are subtle enough for people be like “Hmmm this Kirby is better than this Kirby”
THATS WHAT I THOUGHT
they're all good except kid kirby there
Kid Kirby with his flesh hair:
gross
Kirby multiverse game where Kid Kirby cameos
I remember someone that looked at the files said that
I’m a huge fan of FLs model tho
Huh really
they made kirby so bouncy in FL
really want to know if they used some other models for the bosses that visit magoland now.. since they bothered swapping models. But I guess those guys havent appeared in a 3d game
i legit dont know how you can say that
fr
Rip
look at him
Silly little guy

with better eyes
SA eyes are so blue wow
It’s all in the face
i remember being disappointed 5 years ago kirby's eyes didnt actually have the cosmos in them lol
also is that even a pic of RtDL DX"s model
That’s the SA model
I see
the easy way to tell if its KSA or FL model is is the smile actually a 3D shape
FL does, KSA and its variants do not
KF2 and SKC also used a deferent model than SA
besides, KSA's model is more used in 2D games than FL's
It was basically HD 3DS model wit some big ol eyes
oh wtf his mouth is 3d
explains the blackened mouth
never realized tbh
they all pink and round and shape like a friend
Ye, but with trained and obsessed eyes like ours, we can tell even the smallest differences
No????
The sa model is never used in rtdx
It's just a modified dream buffet model which was modified from FL
No, the fl model is only used in magoland
I know.
I stated that before.
Saying that it uses the SA model is completely incorrect though
oh my lord what have i missed in this channel over the last 72 hours💀
but yes agreed
I never thought I’d be this fast in Samuri Kirby 100:
now get 0
What I did was take a blind guess at when the ! marks were going to show up, and hope that when I push the button, it would be after those marks showed up already
I think what I already got was enough to satisfy me.
so you're telling me
i'm ONE FUCKING HUNDREDTH OF A SECOND
from completing the 10th or higher mission🥲
anyway the thing is that you can do the mission without doing the online 1 try a day one
you just need to play the subgame
The upper “1” on the screen in that photo represents your finishing position, and the “fastest time” is exactly how long it took you from the time the signal showed up
ya 1 frame
damn🥲
The mission that drives me insane is the one for beating all 5 CPUs in a row on Hard without faulting in regular Samurai Kirby
Took me 164 attempts to do it the first time, and not much less the next 2
Even getting a platinum medal on the Item Challenge in Extra mode took me less time
Samurai Kirby scales to your first few opponenets
if you were crazy fast against the first few the game scales as hard as 10 frames at Meta Knight
So far, 3 of the 4 files I played that sub-game on, Mega Knight’s speed was exactly 16 every time, until I beat him once, then he moved onto 15 each time after that
After I did complete that true extra mission on all 3 files, then deleted 1 to start over, on the new one I have now, I beat him again twice in a row 2 separate times, but I didn’t count either of them because the first time, I cleared hard, normal, then hard again, but even though there were no faults in between, so I thought it would still count it, and the 2nd time, I did fault once, but restarted before That round ended, which normally makes it not count as an actual fail
didnt know that
1 tip I can give for those struggling to complete that mission for winning on hard twice in a row, is that 2 of the other 3 times that it did count it as completed before, I lost to mostly Meta Knight & Magolor several times in between my 2 full wins, but I restarted before it moved on to the next screen & I didn’t fault in the middle of any of those matchups every time in between, so it still said I completed that mission
So I guess it doesn’t count it as a fail if you restart fast enough & don’t fault.
question: are there any resources comparing the pause screen text in deluxe vs the original, preferably with the original japanese versions as well?
yeah
hold on
wait no nvm lol
deluxe vs the orgiinal
i dont think ive see nanything like dat
i know faye looked at the wii descs
but i dont think she put ALL of the original wii text in her doc
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1kXu7_JbpaqUUbd3B5Mhhljdc7g4FYONxjKGKeDwsI-s/ found it, ty anyways!
Hey, so I actually finished up these translations a week after the game came out, but I forgot to post these anywhere outside of the r/Kirby Discord, oops! I’ve also added the original Wii descriptions at the end of the doc. I eventually plan on making another document translating all of Magolor’...
awesome
faye moment
Faye is a hardworker
Faye more like Faye-ry cool
So you're saying you can rig it
possibley (?)
TIL Master Crown's leaves can be Super Inhaled for the Leaf ability
Lucky for me that I still had consistency when doing the samurai Kirby missions
Avg 16-17 frames, highest 15 or 14... now I can barely get less than 18 for some reason
i just learned that in magolors 2nd non-soul phase his eyes become red
and more evil looking
how have i never noticed this
I knew that because I made a pillow of that face in school


