bl1-2-tps-media

[peak ether]

I haven't played much of either tbh

I prefer Resident Evil

But from what I did play I liked them

NFS is the big one I care about

[shrewd rampart]

Resident Evil is just too predictable for my taste. Like I couldn't stand Village because I knew when I was going to get jumped.

But to an extent that was the same with Dead Space, but only in certain spots, and especially the bloody warehouse in the second which I psyched myself up over nothing.

I strongly recommend the first two. The Third one...eh...not really. It doesn't like the previous two, and if I recall right there is a cash shop in it.

DLCs suck.

At least to me they do.

In the third one.

[peak ether]

I haven't played 8

I mainly play og 4 and 6

The RE engine REs don't interest me like how the classic and action ones do

[shrewd rampart]

I did OG Resident Evil 3, RE4 Remake, 7, and 8.

I got RE4 and 8 on pc but played them more on my nephews console.

PC is a bit too out of date for either.

[peak ether]

I've played
1 Remake
Og 4
5
Rev1
6
Rev2

All of which I enjoyed

[shrewd rampart]

RE4 remake kinda sucks because it punishes you for being a packrat.

The A.I or whatever will tinker around in the background to make it harder if you have a lot of goods on you.

It's like the Temu version of The Director for the Left 4 Dead games.

Wait, hold up, I meant Resident Evil 2 remake. Not 4.

Der.

I have not touched Resident Evil 4 or the remake. I wanted to, but for one reason or another I didn't. The RE games afterwards didn't interest me.

Think that was about the time I started playing the snot out of the Dead Space titles.

[peak ether]

Every Re game post 4 has a system like that

It's just 2 remake's version is fucking stupid

Og 4's enemy AI gets smarter or dumber in response to how well you play

And if you're especially getting your ass kicked will straight up remove enemies from certain rooms

Ammo drops become stingier or more generous

Even dmg sometimes goes up or down

[shrewd rampart]

Yeah, I remember dealing with it in RE2 and after seeing a speed run in where the player dumped ammo at certain points before proceeding I did a bit of that.

[peak ether]

What og 4's Professional difficulty does is it simply locks the adaptive slider to the highest point it can go and removes the option to buy the Ballistic Vest

Which is why speed runners prefer playing on the hardest setting and not the easiest for og4

Normal on og4 is inconsistently hard

And if you're really really good at the game you could be playing at what is effectively Professional and not even realize

At least if you're on Professional you know how the enemies are going to behave

But anyways

The reason I prefer RE is kinda just

I played it first and kept coming back

And while I did play and enjoy the Dead Space trilogy I didn't have the lvl of familiarity I had with RE so I naturally kept playing more RE instead

It's actually quite hard to get me to try new games out

On account of my Autism

Like I only really play a handful of games

Like my favorite games are
Borderlands
Library of Ruina
Risk of Rain
Halo
Resident Evil
Fallout
Elder Scrolls
Terraria
Minecraft

Devil May Cry is sneaking into that list too

[flint swallow]

"Ameko's 10 games/franchises you MUST PLAY"

[winged void]

Holy shit someone woke up on the wrong side of the bed why is this what my media channel opens to

Oh that makes it sooooo useful 😭😭😭

[peak ether]

Holy fucking shit wtf

I was not mentally ready for that

[north prairie]

Projection final boss

Yeah wtf

I thought you were gay too unb😭

[unborn swallow]

Ttwl :3

@trim hinge this was what was community voted in that group

Left is majority vote, right is the average

[trim hinge]

hot mama in S tier

alright bro

[unborn swallow]

I can repoll the vote

I doubt the answer would change

[north prairie]

If it gets boosted by a bone that means at minimum its 2 rankings higher than it should be

Sorry i dont make the rules.

[unborn swallow]

Whya

[unborn swallow]

Quick lookup

[north prairie]

@unborn swallow who am i missing thats really egregious

I know i have to be missing something big

Im just blanking

[copper wasp]

...is this a shitlist of some sort

[north prairie]

Trying to compile a list of somewhat notable borderlands tubers to rank

[copper wasp]

OH

[north prairie]

😭

If they primarily play 3 or 4 i probably do not know them jsyk

Spowerade for sure i missed

LFX too

I dont think i’ll rank lfx

[unborn swallow]

Stereolotus, ancientrune, invaderguy90, over9000, fiercechrimera, arachnica, me, girthquake, neptaleijon, quag_tbj, rokarus, ashbell kght, yodaofsoda, epicnng, cc spirit master, spuddycube, joeforlong, admiralbahroo, constantcanadian, hextator, senjougahara, jiffynano, kody mchugh, bumchn, filthyeagle, bryaneagle, prismatic, byrdman, monarchy, lonemaster, v00doo, johnborderlands, lateblooman, saoirseae, toonami, shadowevil, tstag, guysosly, kurtdawg13, rorzah, fishman6, stouty22, solid t, itzpugly, powerade, eruption fang, raidsauced, wamr, slimothy james, primal liquid

There's more i missed i know but

[north prairie]

Okay thank you

FISHMAN

how the fuck did i blank on one of my favs

Alright im only gonna rank the ones here im familiar with

[unborn swallow]

I missed ancientpangolingaming

There's legitimately so much more

[north prairie]

Ancientrune for some reason i thought was lazydata💔💔💔

[unborn swallow]

OOBATZ

HOWD I FORGET OOBATZ

Please forgive me oobatz

[north prairie]

I mised bahroo somehow

[unborn swallow]

Darksmoke11, deceptix, wholymilk

[north prairie]

Darksmoke i missed somehow

[unborn swallow]

Altered

EM-P5

[north prairie]

I like rorzah too hes been making pre sequel gear guides. Doesnt really go in depth but thats kinda chill of him

[unborn swallow]

Gamechanger97

Commoncold

Holy fuck there's a lot of creators i know of

[north prairie]

😭

Sorry but im filtering out the sub 1k subscriber channels that mainly do bl3/4 builds

Well maybe girthquake can stay because ive watched a good bit of his stuff

[unborn swallow]

DONT FORGET ZETADAEMON

They have like 1 video

[tawdry shell]

listing borderlands youtubers?

[unborn swallow]

Yes

[tawdry shell]

has cashew been mentioned

[unborn swallow]

Yep

[tawdry shell]

oh whoops

uhhh

nolaftw is one

[north prairie]

EpicNNG… err i dont think i watch enough of him to rank

[tawdry shell]

bl1 modder, he’s cool

[north prairie]

If i ranked VPG over K6 would i get killed with boulders

[unborn swallow]

I forgor he was real

[tawdry shell]

there’s 2 other obscure borderlands creators i can think of

turk645 and gitrmanuk

[unborn swallow]

Yes

[tawdry shell]

both have a lot of bl1 mod vids i obsessed with as a kid

gitrman made a lot of custom maps

[north prairie]

VPG unironically getting glazed

Is he wrong yes is he cringe yes do i love him for it yes

[unborn swallow]

So actually i'm subbed to both somehow

I just checked

[tawdry shell]

https://youtu.be/7nvAc1-2o6U?si=-krA_fu-0eq_-NuQ

goated content

[unborn swallow]

I was in the russian borderlands scene for a minute but i left

[unborn swallow]

There's far too many

[north prairie]

Why

[unborn swallow]

They were.... Dumber than the English community

[north prairie]

Theres this one guy that posts borderlands stuff in bl2 reddit and his game is in cyrillic and im like waow thats the russian borderlands guy every time

[tawdry shell]

Justin V is another random one

custom map creator for bl1

wow he hasn't uploaded in 15 years

whole account is showcasing custom maps and then some miencraft beta gameplay

handsomejackboy is another bl1 youtuber

still active, he's the guy that did all the legendary guides

[north prairie]

Oh my god

Yes him too i remember him having an insanely like dated intro its so lovely

[unborn swallow]

Less than handsome jack, some old guy in Hawaii are bl3 names

[peak ether]

You take Moxsy off there

Demonite too

Nvm read down a bit

[north prairie]

Did you think it was a shit tuber list or something lmao

[unborn swallow]

Yes

[peak ether]

Yes lmao

[peak ether]

When you open your list with MAK and then K6 no wonder I'm gonna assume that

[north prairie]

We got derch :]

[peak ether]

SGZ doesn't deserve being mentioned

His vids suck

And it's mostly recycled garbage

[violet spear]

Not a list of good ones. Just a list of ones in general.

[peak ether]

I still don't think he's important enough to mention

The major names I think of in the Bl YT scene are
Joltz
K6
MAK
Bahroo
Gothalion
Yoteslaya
Moxsy
Thiccfila
Epicnng
LazyData
ShadowEvil
Derch
Demonite
Man of Low Moral Fibber

Garnet Anarchist is slowly making a name for himself tho so he might soon make the list

But the ones I listed are ones that have made an actual impact on the community

[unborn swallow]

Yoteslaya

[lofty flame]

Personally I'd say if Spartan doesn't get to be mentioned then neither do MAK, MoLMF or Yote

[unborn swallow]

Look

People do cringe shit

It happens

But yoteslaya directly did more than just cringe

[shrewd rampart]

^

[unborn swallow]

Directly causing death due to ignorance is so much vastly worse than the others have done in my eyes. Not that i think the other 3 are to be redeemed at all

[shrewd rampart]

And Derch abandoned his discord channel.

[unborn swallow]

Derch made a video recently

[shrewd rampart]

I recently looked to see if he faded entirely, but his youtube is still fairly active.

He tapped out between me leaving the first time and coming back to his Unofficial Discord channel which is a ghost town. I @ him but unsurprisingly nothing happened.

[unborn swallow]

Meh

[shrewd rampart]

I tried the youtube thing, but i do not have the voice or charisma for it, nor the equipment, but I did alright writing guides Plus being a Jakobs nut my range is fairly narrow anyways.

[peak ether]

I only said made an inpact

I never stated it was a positive one

I actually dislike most of the names I mentioned

[unborn swallow]

I like demonite & shadowevil off that list

Also Arachnica has made impact !!

[peak ether]

Of the ones mentioned the only ones I look at favorably are Moxsy, Lazy, Derch, Demonite, and Shadow

[peak ether]

Eh I feel he's still niche

Even if I like his stuff

[shrewd rampart]

I have only watched maybe half a dozen youtube videos.

[unborn swallow]

His forgotten and purple box series get a lot of traction in the casual sphere

[peak ether]

Pretty much the only ones I like are the ones who go into the nitty gritty of the game mechanics and how things work

[shrewd rampart]

Concerning Borderlands. Demonite, Derch, and some others were forum users back in the day, so I got a good bead on them, plus I like my own path which is oddball.

[unborn swallow]

What does demonite do anymore

[shrewd rampart]

He was the first one to whack an OP8 Iron God using Axton's turrets.

[peak ether]

So
Fierce Chimera is the only one who does that for Bl1
Derch and Demonite's old Bl2 stuff is still good even if they don't upload much anymore
Garnet and Alpha BO1 have picked up the Bl2 torch
Aracnica and Ancient Rune have good Bl3 stuff
Stereolotus started his channel off with 3 but had shifted more into a Bl2 channel

[unborn swallow]

He shifted to bl2 out of necessity

He's algorithm meta gaming

[shrewd rampart]

I think if I ever did pick it up again I would focus on Jakobs--after getting better audio equipment--and just Borderlands 2 and maybe TPS and Bl1.

[peak ether]

Bl1 Jakobs is kinda boring tbh

[unborn swallow]

Bl1 Jakobs is kinda sad

[peak ether]

They don't even have buffed crit in 1

And they only make 3 gun types

Which is the smallest selection in 1

However they do make the Skullmasher

[shrewd rampart]

Biggest thing with bl1 jakobs is the knockback.

[peak ether]

Meh

[oblique kelp]

I'd probably add yes Arachnica
also Squeek Cheesetaker and Vynilic Puma

[shrewd rampart]

You can aggro juggle enemies in the corner with some Jakobs.

[peak ether]

I don't like the mat3 knock back tbh

[unborn swallow]

Unforgiven

[peak ether]

Bl1 Unforgiven isn't real

[unborn swallow]

Who is squeek

[shrewd rampart]

A three round point blank burst from Roland with Sledge's Shotgun can de aggro enemies due to the knockback. Not practical, but hilarious.

[shrewd rampart]

This, that gun is way to hard to get.

[peak ether]

I know the name but forgot what he does

[unborn swallow]

Can every borderlands youtuber just randomly go in to a 5~10 minute rant mid video about an incredibly neglible part ef gameplay

[oblique kelp]

tons of builds Maya Krieg Gaige etc
https://www.youtube.com/@squeekcheesetaker6593/videos

[shrewd rampart]

I've heard the Striker in the first game has a -30% crit penalty, but I never tested it myself.

[peak ether]

And a tiny bit overrated

[shrewd rampart]

I can go into a rant about how gearbox missed the bloody mark on making the TPS Razorback only having 50% melee bonus and not 100% or higher.

[peak ether]

That's news to me

[shrewd rampart]

Like, if ya gonna give me a rifle with no scope and a fixed bayonet...make it so that bayonet is nasty. I wanna reenact ww1 bayonet rushes.

[peak ether]

I personally want to get into YouTube too but not exclusively Bl

A mix of Bl Ruina, and maybe Terraria and other games I like

[shrewd rampart]

For guys it's all about the voice and having good recording. For the ladies, ya gotta look reasonably nice and have a decent voice.

Without good quality equipment I am a 1-2/10 on the voice spectrum.

[unborn swallow]

We have very different target audiences

My target audience is people like Ameko

[peak ether]

Same

We don't care about going big

We just want the info out there

[unborn swallow]

if you don't want to get jumpscared by NUMBERS and SUPER NERDY WORDS and mechanics you've never heard of being treated like common knowledge

You aren't my target audience

🔥

[shrewd rampart]

I just liked uploading Jakobs stuff.

Only thing I got on my channel right now is the op7 Iron God video I recorded way back in the day.

[oblique kelp]

I just play the game cut and upload and that's all...

[unborn swallow]

Make a 20~40 minute talking about the specific use cases of the different jakob non-unique shotguns

[shrewd rampart]

Ooph. I do not think I can talk that long.

[oblique kelp]

Jakobs shotguns vary enough in BL2 unlike ARs

[shrewd rampart]

I'd have to write out a paper to do that.

[unborn swallow]

I mean

[shrewd rampart]

Yeah. Quads are generally good if you are hitting something big or shoving them in the face of something up close and personal at the expense of ammo.

[unborn swallow]

Just hit record start talking 🔥

[shrewd rampart]

Coach guns are fairly balanced and can kick off a lot of talents or ensuring certain passive talents are consistent.

Tri barrels I am not familiar with enough to speak on them, while single barrels are the most accurate and ammo efficient at the cost of power.

Jakobs shotguns would be my weakpoint as I do not deviate much outside of Coach guns.

Hm, actually just non-red text until recently, most run end game with Vault Hunters with Gaige being my latest Jakobs run.

[wide fog]

yoteslaya was a reckless and terrible person for what he did

[shrewd rampart]

I need to get a far better mic setup before I start yammering.

and i need a time machine to go back and apologize to some people for saying that Gaige and Jakobs do not mix well.

[shy jay]

gaige with a jakobs gatling gun specifically rips really hard

[shrewd rampart]

So far Gaige does good with weapons such as the Buffalo Gun which forces you to get closer with it becoming a brutal battle rifle.

As far as pistols that one is tough, but the Maggie does well on her. With shotguns Triquetra or Coach Guns do swanky on her.

I am usually parked between 100-150 anarchy right now to maintain some accuracy while also still being able to hit things at a certain range.

Gatlings are nasty on her.

I am still only in NVHM, so take my takes with a grain of salt, but I am forseeing having to play her has a fan the hammer type of Vault Hunter with Jakobs.

[shrewd rampart]

My problem is I am not good with getting into the technical jargon to make a video that long. I am a hillbilly redneck; I am gonna just go say what I wrote previously and leave it at that.

[peak ether]

However I will say the rumors you heard about Bl3 Jakobs were right

Jakobs has some strong/fun guns in 3

[shrewd rampart]

They look amazing from what I have seen.

[shy jay]

Jakobs really hits its stride in 3

[peak ether]

Skullmasher, Headsploosion, Monacle, Wedding Invitation, Garcia, TK's Wave, Flood, Maggie, Seventh Sense, King's/Queen's Call, Rowan's Call, Clairvoyance

[shy jay]

its where i truly became a Jakobs Enthusiast rather than simply a Jakobs Enjoyer

[peak ether]

Bird of Prey

[shy jay]

my faveessssss

[shrewd rampart]

The Striker in BL2 was what converted me fully.

[shy jay]

companion, but only in low mayhem/playthroughs, wish it scaled better

[peak ether]

And I can't forget the abomination that is the Blade Fury

[shrewd rampart]

Jakobs in the third installment have that old battle hardened appearance in that they are parked primarly around ww1/ww2 appearance.

[peak ether]

One of the AR mags has a Garand ping when emptied btw

[shrewd rampart]

A lot of them look like they can be dragged through the trenches, over the hill, used to club someone to death, and then shot.

[shy jay]

love it but if it wasn't jakobs i know id utterly despise it

[peak ether]

Dw

Facepuncher is sitting in the corner to receive your hate

[shrewd rampart]

Stop talking dirty to me.

[shy jay]

been hating it for 5 years
fuck fake melee, just make true melee better

[unborn swallow]

The "popular" jargon is stupid arbitrary bullshit with no real actual definition

So feel free

[peak ether]

I swear the Bird of Prey was made for Amara

[unborn swallow]

Type B crit, Type 2 Crit, Scale Crit, Generic Crit, Regular Crit Bonus

Like, that's the same thing

With 5 names

[shrewd rampart]

Just hit a crit spot with Jakobs. Things will happen.

[unborn swallow]

Mhm

What happens though?

Why does that happen

[shrewd rampart]

The bullets hurt gooder.

[peak ether]

Their head becomes a cloud of pink mist

[shy jay]

just shoot em in the face its not that hard

[unborn swallow]

[shrewd rampart]

Or crystals.

Or butt, depending on the target.

[peak ether]

Mouth

[shrewd rampart]

Or in the case of Goliaths--if you are me--you pop that ugly ass helmet off to then go hide somewhere to giggle while Goliath goes ham.

[peak ether]

It's so fucking good

I just wish my phase cast 250 one had the 4 shot mag

[shy jay]

i try to get at least one godliath per playthrough

[peak ether]

And not the revolver cylinder

[unborn swallow]

The informational videos i want more people to make is like

"The Rex is a Unique Jakobs Pistol. It's not particularly strong in any stat comparative to the non-unique variant, however the Rex has an additional +50% Pre-Add Crit damage, so when added to the initial +50% Pre-Add crit bonus of Jakobs Pistols, we get an effective base critical bonus of 3×, and due to how Pre-Add crit words, this end up being Multiplicative with traditional Scale Crit modifiers like Sniper class mod."

That's the information i wish more people did

[shrewd rampart]

I managed to once get a caustice Goliath all the way to just before BUNK3R fight.

The Rex is about equal to the Unforgiven, but in body shots it is more...forgiving due to its raw power.

The Unforgiven with good parts and an Allegiance Relic can land more critical hits reliably, but is more difficult to obtain, whereas the Rex there is a reliable source.

The Unforgiven will look more pretty on the stat page while the Rex just does not care as it hits harder.

With the Rex it is probably better to get the Straight Shootin' prefix as its accuracy is not quite as good as the Unforgiven's with a Jakobs grip and whatever scope prefered, most likely a Jakobs scope due to field of vision and getting a red dot with matching grip.

I have not checked in a while, but the Rex might get a scope magnification bonus like the Damned Cowboy does.

However, the Rex's fire rate and recoil are...ugly, which it shares with the Elephant Gun and the Damned Cowboy. Making it more punishing if you miss with it, and follow up shots are sluggish compared to the Unforgiven and are comparable to continental drift to just about any other Jakobs revolver, red text or no, in Borderlands 2.

Pop quiz or whatever on the Rex this weekend.

The Hammerlock weapons are also a throwback to the old Victorian era firearms that fired absurdly big/powerful bullets with sluggish fire rates and recoil, and their names reflect that. The Elephant Gun is often just a generic name for the big ass rifles that were chambered in 700 Nitro Express. Rex is a bit vague, but maybe a reference to the .577 Tyranosaur rifle which hurts both the target and the shooter.

Damned Cowboy may not refer by name, but it acts like a .45-70 rifle, which are painful to shoot.

I suppose a correction; Elephant Gun is the only Victoria Era throwback. The other two are just references to "Big Bullet. Big Hurt. Big Recoil."

...and that concludes this week's Jakobs rant.

[pastel zealot]

@peak ether which one do i use twin
(im melee brick)

nvm found 200 x 7 masher

[rancid bramble]

Does anyone know why the supernova is a Etech or whatever it is in tps and a legendary?

[peak ether]

Defiler

[peak ether]

Sometimes it spawns with lower rarity cores

The top one is a green

The bottom is white

[fickle fossil]

Got a picture?

[modest forum]

.... here is my skill tree and I hare to adimt it..... I need help.

@north prairie Here is my set up.

[north prairie]

I dont play a lot of wilhelm but this looks sorta fine. I will say the right skill on the green tree straight up gives you free gun damage

[modest forum]

I was thinking of using the green skill tree.

[north prairie]

You’d have to talk to someone who knows more about wilhelm.

But you really shouldnt be losing to deadlift that bad i dont think

[modest forum]

Here is the gun I am using.

And now I just realized I no long have ammo Regeneration..... shit.

@north prairie Good news. The green skill tree help me out. Bad news I gonna have to get rid of 3 of my lazer guns now. No ammo regeneration means I can't be all lazer anymore.

[north prairie]

Wilhelm likes lasers but you really dont need 3 anyhow

Especially since certain elements in this game kinda suck

[shrewd rampart]

I never cared for lasers when I played TPS, but I am an old school doorknob that likes bullets.

[north prairie]

I mean corrosive is only useful for claptastic voyage really because RK5 and Felicity are easily cheesable and fire is legit just horrible in TPS.

[shrewd rampart]

Yeah I was about to write out how absurd fire is in TPS.

[north prairie]

Fire got such a downgrade from 2 to TPS

[pastel zealot]

I'm a lazy bum i'll show it once im back on pc in a day or two

[shrewd rampart]

Oh it is good when enemies use it, but when you use incendiary, you may as well be using a bloody water gun.

[fickle fossil]

I wanna see!

[pastel zealot]

Later!

[fickle fossil]

Damn.

[modest forum]

So in the Pre Sequel what are the most popular weapons to use?

[north prairie]

I personally like the Boomacorn, The Machine, Vibra Pulse, and Rosie for going through a playthrough as fast as i can to get to UVHM as they are all good guns that are super easily gotten. As far as meta weapons go

Vibra Pulse and Rosie are still up there, alongside the Machine which is pribably like top 3 in the game, the luck cannon is stupid on Nisha and Jack specifically. Glitch rarity versions of good non uniques like glitch quads, ravagers, droogs etc are great. Flayer, Laser Disker, skullmasher

Lots of great weapons in this game i usually just settle on the easy ones to get and flesh out my gear in UVHM

[modest forum]

Welp I piss off Nel then I took his gun.

Ok maybe not the best Skullmasher but better then using 4 lazer guns with my current skill tree set up.

[shrewd rampart]

Well, it has a Jakobs grip, which means it gets the stat bonuses, after that you are kinda splitting hairs.

Or at least to me it looks like it has a Jakobs grip.

Hard for me to tell, but a Dahl stock isn't so bad.

[peak ether]

That's Maliwan

Unfortunately

If you look close enough you can see the piece of it that juts out

[shrewd rampart]

Yeah I cannot see good enough on the grip to see it properly.

[peak ether]

Tbf

They look extremely similar at a distance

But the easiest way to tell is the Maliwan grip has that extra piece way out front and doesn't have a trigger guard

[north prairie]

I totally thought it was jakobs too

[shrewd rampart]

I probably have noticed that if I had not had too many drinks while squinting at it. The trigger guard is a dead give away now that you mention it.

[modest forum]

Here is a better look at the gun.

[shrewd rampart]

shrugs I wouldn't worry about parts too much until max level. The Skullsmasher acts more like a semi-auto shotgun than it does a sniper rifle. It is a nasty piece when you get used to hip firing it at targets, and it works good against large targets. I personally feel the scope is something of a joke with it.

I am gonna guess you are in TPS, I would save that for any Nisha playthroughs since she has talents where hip firing with her is extra nasty.

[peak ether]

I wouldn't worry about parts in general

Bl2/Tps stat deviations are the smallest in the series

As long you have the correct element is all that matters

[shrewd rampart]

Yeah, grip is about the most impactful thing, everything else just makes slight tweaks, and even then you really have to be a hardliner or just obsessed with perfection to try and get everything perfect.

And element, if you are not using Jakobs.

[peak ether]

You don't even need perfect in Bl3 which is a game infamous among the higher lvl players for having too many parts

[shrewd rampart]

I think about the only time parts matter is in cases of the Orphan Maker and Swordplosion where the extra two pellet prefix can make or break a weapon.

And yeah I have heard of that, and the amount of legendaries is a bit absurd to me.

[peak ether]

Bl1 and from what I know 4 are where parts are a huge deal

[shrewd rampart]

Like, just the number of Jakobs had me blink a few times.

[peak ether]

Yeah

Bl4 actually has less Legendaries than 3

[shrewd rampart]

They may as well just named legendaries after forum users, although the Moncole has me squint a bit, as that looks like a throwback to Battleborn, where a certain sniper robot has a quote that is supposed to be a reference to PsychicHazard who was a mod on the borderlands forums.

[peak ether]

Meanwhile you can count on your fingers the number of Legendaries Atlas has

Literally

They only have 10

Rebel Yell
Carrier
O.P.Q. System
Linc
Multi Tap
Res
Atlas Replay
Freeman
Ruby's Wrath
Plummage

[shrewd rampart]

I never really cared all that much for Atlas in the first game, so that barely registers with me.

I wanted an Atlas Ogre, but never was able to get one.

[peak ether]

I've had several lol

I've played a shit ton of Bl1

[shrewd rampart]

I think I have maybe 2-300 hours in the first one. I had to force myself to farm for anything.

[peak ether]

I've currently been grinding out 3

[shrewd rampart]

Hammering away at 2 with Gaige.

Doing Scarlett DLC for the Bullet Buckaneer head.

[peak ether]

The Bl3 Harold is a warcrime btw

Why did they buff it

Why!?

It was already good when Dlc 3 dropped

[shrewd rampart]

Unkempt Harold is just a different play of wording on Dirty Harry, which is just a stab at Jakobs...why does that thing still exist as a snub?

[peak ether]

To break the game

Anarchy and Harold kinda just sit at the top of the Bl3 hierarchy not counting non guns, launchers or Lucky 7

Fucking no one likes the L7

[shrewd rampart]

I wasn't too impressed with the pistol in bl2.

[peak ether]

It's good in 2 and easy to get so it's popular but not the absolute top

[shrewd rampart]

But by the time I got it, I already knew the damn thing was an idiot stick.

[peak ether]

3 Harold just woke up one day and choose the nuclear option

[shrewd rampart]

I like popping crits and precisions shots, or failing that being a gunslinger from my games long ago and real life shit.

wait...hold up.

I need correction here--according to the wiki the harold in BL3 can have elemental types?

[peak ether]

Yes

[shrewd rampart]

Am I reading this wrong.

[peak ether]

No

[shrewd rampart]

WHY

[peak ether]

Explosive as an element doesn't exist in 3

So most Torgues can have any element

[shrewd rampart]

.............................................................................

[peak ether]

There's weird cases tho like the Flakker

Flakker can only be NE, Fire, or Rad

[shrewd rampart]

Just...wut.

[peak ether]

Radiation is the new AoE element

[shrewd rampart]

I AM NOT EVEN A TORGUE FAN BUT WHY THEY NOT HAVE BOOMS? WHY ELEMENTS THIS IS [censored] AND WHOMEVER MADE THIS DECISION NEEDS TO BE CLOTHESLINED BY A SHARK WEARING A BOLO TIE.

[peak ether]

They still explode

[shrewd rampart]

But not explosive.

RIght--they be faking it like the Cobra from bl2.

Diet coke explosives.

[peak ether]

It's just Bl3 recognized how stupid """splash""" was in 2 and simplified it to just

Splash dmg

And then added shit like the Plasma Coil that has "splash" dmg but with a radius of 0

[oblique kelp]

yeah kinda weird manufacturer

[shrewd rampart]

So...they could have just upgraded Torgue to be exclusively radiation because they launch nukes with their weapons? Like They just wanna fry everything?

...so basically if I deviate from being a Jakobs nut I am in for a headache.

[peak ether]

Maliwan actually has the best rad guns normally

[shrewd rampart]

....

[peak ether]

Because Maliwan guns in 3 don't get the element penalty period

[shrewd rampart]

As far as I am aware of part of their gimmick is they never received an damage penalty for being elemental...but radiation? Really?

REALLY?

[peak ether]

They actually did in 1

[shrewd rampart]

I never noticed, but that is probably because Maliwan was just so good.

[peak ether]

You can see it on their dmg numbers

[peak ether]

Maliwan's base gimmick in 3 is every non unique Maliwan rolls 2 elements that can be swapped on the fly

[wide fog]

and the charge up of the weapon

[shrewd rampart]

Yeah, I think Bl3 would cause me to suffer some sort of brain trauma if I were to play it.

At least the Jakobs guns look nice....

[peak ether]

It's a really good weapon sandbox tbh

You have over 300 unique guns to choose from

[wide fog]

of which most of them are viable
unlike a certain prequel

[peak ether]

Ehhh

[shrewd rampart]

My brain is wired to where watching paint dry is enjoyable. BL2 Jakobs tinkering can keep me occupied for quite a long time.

[peak ether]

Most of everything in 2 is op 10 viable if you work hard enough

[wide fog]

fair

[peak ether]

I actually feel 3 has more bad guns than 2 does

[wide fog]

that’s because there’s more guns

[tawdry shell]

simply make a game with no bad guns (halo)

[shrewd rampart]

It depends on the Vault Hunter. Maya can make any gun work, especially if you slag.

[peak ether]

H1 Needler

[shrewd rampart]

Except on legendary setting.

[tawdry shell]

shhhhh

[peak ether]

H2 Magnum

[tawdry shell]

it can work as a shield stripping tool at least

[shrewd rampart]

Halo 1 needler sucks.

[tawdry shell]

hey it WAS good till it got nerfed

[peak ether]

We already have a gun for that

[shrewd rampart]

Halo 2 needler is...alright. Pistol sucks.

[peak ether]

It's called the plasma pistol

[shrewd rampart]

Unless paired with plasma pistol.

[peak ether]

H2 Needler is actually good in campaign

[tawdry shell]

hold on i gotta check how severe it was

[shrewd rampart]

Yeah, it is nasty in campaign and in cramped quarters in PvP.

[peak ether]

It needs a second mag to kill on its own

That's how bad it was

[shrewd rampart]

Mauler in Halo 3 can go kick rocks, that shotgun is overtuned as balls.

[tawdry shell]

ik how bad it is now, but it was decent on release

it got nerfed in the 1.1a update

doesn't say the exact amount though

it was still mid on it's own but duel wield it actually seemed to compete somewhat with the BR

[shrewd rampart]

BR and shotgun combo on lockout in halo 2 was how I stacked a lot of bodies, including the supposed state Halo champion where I live.

[peak ether]

Tbh these days I've been more interested in Bl2

Than 3

[shrewd rampart]

Most of the people I am friends with on the forums have way more hours in 2 than 3 and play 2 more often these days.

[peak ether]

Bl3 once your build is set the game mostly plays itself

2 requires you to actually engage with the enemies

[tawdry shell]

apparently on release it was 9 headshots to kill in multiplayer? which is far better then 13

[shrewd rampart]

Exotek has something like 7.5k hours in bl2, but I think he loves tinkering with mods these days.

[peak ether]

I mostly hang around the 3 crowd here

This server in general is actually biased towards 3

At least the regulars are

[shrewd rampart]

I stay in bl2 chat and here.

Exotek did make me a nice rifle, unfortunately I lost the mod a long time ago.

[peak ether]

The Harold emote used to the Bl2 one until someone said as a joke to change it to the 3 version

[shrewd rampart]

Let me see if I can find the picture just for flexing reasons.

[peak ether]

Bl3 harold

[shrewd rampart]

Here we go.

[peak ether]

I float around

Sticking to 1, 3 and medias

My Autism doesn't like active channels

Or the average Bl2 player

[shrewd rampart]

I am just anti-social. Once there are too many people in a channel, I go do something else.

[spiral obsidian]

Same lol

[peak ether]

Same

[shrewd rampart]

Well either you have not realized I am a Bl2 player or I am not average.

[peak ether]

Nah you're chill

[spiral obsidian]

I play but am different

[shrewd rampart]

Exotek does have a mod for bl2 but I am not interested in such a drastic overhaul; elemental Jakobs just does not sit well with me.

[peak ether]

I'm a vanilla purist

Just in general

[shrewd rampart]

The Stinkpot rubs me the wrong way, but I will use it. I want to try out the Greed on Gaige, and the Twister is just absurd.

[peak ether]

I think a small handful are fine

[shrewd rampart]

Yeah, I think if they are done right and are creative, I can sit with them.

[north prairie]

i feel like jakobs ARs are ass until one randomly hits the mark

[peak ether]

Hellwalker can go back into the pit that spawned it tho

[shrewd rampart]

Jakobs ARs are like that shot of whiskey your uncle/dad/older sibling gives ya before you built up a tolerance.

Ya gonna choke on em.

[shrewd rampart]

We used to have a creative thread on the forums. I came up with something like the Hellwalker on it, but my idea had the gun covered in skulls, dripping blood, and released the most god awful howl every time you fired it.

It was a coach gun and I would like to try and track down the name, but what is archived of the forums is only the first page...so I wouldn't find it.

[peak ether]

Boneduster

[shrewd rampart]

About the only other noteworthy thing I came up with on there was a reference to Bioshock 2. Instead of a rocket it fired a drill that bored into a target.

[peak ether]

why am I farming a Harold

[shrewd rampart]

I might have made more, but I cannot recall them.

[peak ether]

Ultrakill Screwdriver

That is literally the Screwdriver from Ultrakill

[shrewd rampart]

Nah, it was The Bouncer or something with the red text of "Zip'em Daddy!"

I made a shield that cheesed off the Brick fanatic on the forum, because it basicaly was a maylay shield that did Brick things.

Spunky117 ranted at me over the shield and asked me why I didn't make it sooner.

There were some other ideas we kicked around such as...uh...I'd have to track it down, but unstable weaponry.

Basically elemental weapons that could either do okay damage or suddenly do absurd and they looked like they were gonna blow up in your hand.

I took a screenshot of the discussion. I will see if I can find it.

[peak ether]

What the Screwdriver does is fire a drill that digs into an enemy creating a blood shower around them

[shrewd rampart]

Found it.

[peak ether]

And you can punch the drill to deal all of the dmg immediately at the cost it no longer creates blood

[peak ether]

But it'll keep going and can implant into a new target

[shrewd rampart]

Overloaded weapons as we were brainstorming. Or Primal I think someone called them.

[peak ether]

Oh hey a Harold finally

Jakobs grip dmg accessory

So a good one

[tender aspen]

Thank god it wasn’t a DPUH

[peak ether]

I would've been annoyed

[tender aspen]

I’d throw that shit off the edge it ain’t even worth the vendor

[shrewd rampart]

Welp, that is enough nostalgia for today. I really do not want to sift through anymore screenshots from the old days.

[tawdry shell]

this is beautiful

[shrewd rampart]

This gate brings back memories.

[winged void]

Poor guys died atleast 1000 times from my grenades

[fickle fossil]

What is this wizardry?

[north prairie]

Its one of the mods joltz showcased to give bl1 QoL

[tawdry shell]

yes and no

it is one of those smaller mods, but it's all included in one big mod

Pandora Reimagined

big QoL overhaul for the game, lots of new features and balancing changes

best things so far has been fixing the wonky xp system, and making the game actually hard for once

[north prairie]

Yeah because it has like OP levels or something like that basically right

[tawdry shell]

no?

your probably thinking of the pt3 mod

this mod changes like the values of everything lol

https://www.nexusmods.com/borderlands/mods/109

the article section has the patch notes

[north prairie]

I see i see

[tawdry shell]

enemies are lowkey kinda brutal now, i knew it would be harder but damn

refreshing to see though, the mod has been super fun

it's also managed to make bl1 co-op run smoothly for once

could never get it working right with the vanilla game

[tawdry shell]

where would yall put the last 3 points?

im debating between die hard and sting like a bee

[trim hinge]

in the balls

[tawdry shell]

https://tenor.com/view/noting-this-down-noting-gif-17958861

[peak ether]

Reduce Liquidate to max Die Hard

5/5 Short Fuse 5/5 Liquidate is overkill

[tawdry shell]

makes sense

[shrewd rampart]

...and the first legendary of True Vault Hunter Mode goes to...this dingus.

[peak ether]

But Dva tho

Gaige can't even use it lmao

[shrewd rampart]

It's also not Jakobs.

I think either BL2fix or UCP bumps up legendary chances. No Beard also respawns instead of being a one and done enemy.

What.

[gentle forge]

Loadout

[shrewd rampart]

Even with mods, the Judge is an ugly duckling amongst Jakobs.

[peak ether]

Should've made it a Masher

Not really

The Judge is a Bl1 unique Gbx accidentally put into 2

[shrewd rampart]

It's...a stop-gap sort of gun.

It is roughly about as 1/3 the power of the Unforgiven in base game.

A decent blue Jakobs is gonna give it a hard time, but a epic is gonna whack it good, especially with a Jakobs barrel which the Judge lacks in base game.

The Tediore barrel really screws it over in base game.

If ya get it, great, but it sure as hell ain't worth a farm session.

Unless you're into collecting.

That said, I am gonna use it.

[peak ether]

You mentioned how you aren't opposed to an elemental Jakobs as long as it did something interesting and I just remembered a Bl3 gun that might do that

The Companion

It's a fire Jakobs pistol with a 0% DoT chance

But a guaranteed DoT on crit

It's uh

Okay at endgame but it has a neat effect

[shrewd rampart]

I was working on a Borderlands fanfic a long time ago, but one of the legendary, or higher, weapons I created was a gatling Gun called the Songbird.

The longer you shot it, the more benefits it got; +6 seconds it would be incendiary, plus 9, it gained explosive as well.

It was an auto with no magazine, its magazine was your ammo.

[peak ether]

I mainly know it because early into the game's life it was my favorite gun before changes to the game left it behind and it never really recovered fully

So like CoV w/o the overheat mechanic

[peak ether]

Also it has one of my favorite red texts

"You can't take the sky from me"

[shrewd rampart]

That sounds like an elemental Jakobs up my alley.

I would be okay if Jakobs got a rocket launcher sort of thing, but it be like the m70 grenade launcher or perhaps even a shouldered artillery gun.

[peak ether]

They were going to have grenade launchers in 1 until the gun type got scrapped

The legendary was going to be called the Terror

[shrewd rampart]

I had a chance to get a Vietnam era m70, but the guy at the gunshow really buggered that thing up so bad it wasn't worth it.

Which would have been a good foundation for a Jakobs 'rocket launcher'. THe m70 is a single shot with some horrendous kick and is a single shot only.

[peak ether]

I thought it was the m79?

[shrewd rampart]

I was allowed to shoot one some years back, those things kick like hell.

yeah you are right.

m79. Sometimes nicknamed the blooper due its sound when fired.

[peak ether]

China Lake Borderlands edition

Now that'll be a weapon

[shrewd rampart]

I like you, you know your old fashion nade launchers.

[peak ether]

I know it from Bo1

It was ass in zombies

[shrewd rampart]

I never got to shot one of those, those bloody things are rare. I think maybe 500 were made, and that may be generous.

[peak ether]

Yeah

A Wa2000 would also be cool to see IRL but good fucking luck

Walther really out here designing one of best rifles and only making triple digit numbers of them

[shrewd rampart]

I saw one of those 25mm gas launchers at a gun show here in the states, the ones with the circular barrel.

[shrewd rampart]

Eh Walther is one of those underdog companies. They ugly, but get the job done.

Army getting their willy bent out of shape by Sig. That company is ass.

U.S Army I should say.

Sig Sauer is the most overhyped gun company here in the states. Where I live, we got a store called FIn Feather and Fur, and those doorknobs got their only little special place where they can sell their over priced crap.

Their Legion pistol line...you want over priced junk that will fail after being dropped in a sandbox? We got you here...fork out 1500 American dollars or more, we'' bend ya over.

[peak ether]

I don't have real firearm experience so Idk what my preferences would be irl

Beyond no interest in full auto

[shrewd rampart]

CZ is the sleeping monster.

Their pistols are ABSURDLY good.

My personal carry is one, and I dragged that little sucker through hell and back,.

But the FK BRUNO is the true raid boss. That thing...ya gotta look that monster up on youtube.

It is a CZ...but with the INVINCIBLE title tacked on, if ya catch my drift.

[peak ether]

Which tbh kinda carries into games

[shrewd rampart]

full auto is ass.

[peak ether]

I love shotguns and snipers

[shrewd rampart]

If you serve, you burst fire your guns, or ya gonna melt the barrel and leave your teammates high and dry.

[peak ether]

Doesn't the new service MG not have quick change barrels?

For some stupid reason

[shrewd rampart]

Quick change has been a thing since the second world war from what I can recall, the MG42 had it, but you still burst fire.

Your squad machine guns are meant for suppressive fire.

[peak ether]

Yeah

Keep the enemy scared so they don't wanna peak

[shrewd rampart]

You ain't looking to just mag dump like in bl2.

The thing is. If you fire for too long, your ammo will cook off.

In that, your gun will fire without your input.

And by that time, the receiver and barrel is gonna be soft, you now have a grenade...

From all that heat.

You can look up vidoes of idiots shooting far too long.

[peak ether]

It also causes the barrel to warp and crack

[shrewd rampart]

Yep.

With enough heat it will droop too, rifling goes bye-bye...and you can see the gun glow in the dark.

By that point, you better be putting belt to ass running away.

Because even if the gun does not go kaboom, whoever the NCO or higher is in the area, they gonna be wanting blood.

At least with in the U.S with the SAW or the M2. The M134 you are gonna run out of ammo before that thing gets even remotely uncomfortable.

[peak ether]

But anyways

I've kinda noticed my preference for manus in Bl leans towards the ones that reward precision

Dahl, Jakobs, Hyperion, and Maliwan

In 3 Atlas

[shrewd rampart]

My exprience with BL1 is...limited, but the game seems to push you towards being a nail driver with whatever weapon you like the most with its version of badass skills--cannot recall its proper name--so I can see that being a thing.

[peak ether]

Proficiency

[shrewd rampart]

That thing.

[peak ether]

And yes it rewards sticking to what you like

My current Mordy has like

[shrewd rampart]

I usually got suckered into revolvers or shotguns.

[peak ether]

Lvl 29 for pistols and the rest are >10

[shrewd rampart]

Roland I just gravitated towards shotguns and Mordecai I liked wheel guns.

[peak ether]

Gun Crazy is the single dumbest skill on that character

And it's tier 1

Takes Mashers and turns them into x14 monsters

[shrewd rampart]

Mordecai is nuts in the first game.

[peak ether]

Kills Craw in under a minute if you get good spawn rng

[shrewd rampart]

Yeah I never was good in that raid. I just liked running around being an idiot.

[peak ether]

I kill him for fun

[shrewd rampart]

I think I did Craw maybe a handful of times.

[peak ether]

Bl1 is my cozy game

For when I wanna play some Bl but don't want to get my balls crushed by 2 or deal with the nonsense of 3

[shrewd rampart]

Yeah bl2 is....it can be nuts.

[peak ether]

However I like every Bl game that isn't 4 tbh

Wonderlands included

[shrewd rampart]

Four is ass.

[peak ether]

But I'm still learning Wl

[shrewd rampart]

The others have their niche despite my personal grudges.

[peak ether]

4 really looked at 3 criticisms and learned all the wrong lessons

[shrewd rampart]

Any game with Dunevo or whatever you call it, I wanna throw hands.

[peak ether]

It's an insult to Bl2 and 3

[shrewd rampart]

Yeah, it takes the worst aspects of all the previous games, threw them in a blender, and poured them into a smoothie...with all the goods tossed to the curb.

BL3 tempts me despite how much I hate it. But Bl4...yeah...I would rather jump into a wood chipper than give that thing the time of day.

My pc cannot handle bl4 anyways.

[peak ether]

You can even see it in the marketing
"Bl3 gave legendaries out too easy"

4 drop rates are worse than 2's and guns have even more parts than 3
"Bl3 story was bad and didn't take itself seriously"
4 story is soulless and interesting meanwhile Bl2 isn't original but at least it's entertaining and Bl3 while having very poor quality actually feels like Gbx tried

[shrewd rampart]

It's a...uh...I think eight year old rig that was mid tier back in 2018.

[peak ether]

Oh and Ava is just gone

That alone pisses me off as one of the 10 Ava fan

[shrewd rampart]

I would ignore bl3 story for my own reasons.

[unborn swallow]

Hey ameko

[shrewd rampart]

Ava I would suplex into a tsar bomba.

[unborn swallow]

Ava is probably among the best written characters

[peak ether]

She's better in the dlc missions

[unborn swallow]

In the franchise

[shrewd rampart]

I'm gonna ignore ya.

[unborn swallow]

Feel free

[shrewd rampart]

On that.

[unborn swallow]

How are you pfox

[peak ether]

But no Amara in 4 straight up feels like she's only there because Gbx has zero balls to put Ava in because people did not like her

[peak ether]

Could be better

[shrewd rampart]

Her voice annoys me in general. It sounds like someone trying to do voice mods for a character...and it is ass.

[peak ether]

Something tragic just happened in my life so I'd rather not go into it

[shrewd rampart]

Like they went on Amazon, got the most generic shit for voice recording, while finding the most annoying person to listen to.

[unborn swallow]

They killed what little backstory amara had for this btw

[shrewd rampart]

It is like a drill going into both ears...and they be meeting in the middle. That is Ava.

[peak ether]

Oh and we're like

9 months into Bl4

And the game has had less major updates in that time than 3 did

[shrewd rampart]

Everything else besides the two derp twins and Maya getting flatlined for stupid reasons is fine.

[peak ether]

By this point 3 had 2 major story dlcs 2 events and a Takedown

Bl4 had

[shrewd rampart]

BL4 does not even have a proper discussion thread on steam.

They even were bold enough to advertise some sort of chairty on borderlands 2. I was drunk. I posted things. My things were not nice.

[peak ether]

2 mini dlcs 1 story one and an event that didn't have its own map

If anyone is still considering buying Bl4 my advice is just

[shrewd rampart]

I seriously want to fold up Randy.

[peak ether]

Buy literally any other Bl game

Just any of them

[unborn swallow]

I own them all !!!

Except 4

[peak ether]

Tps and WL are better deals than 4 in its current state

[shrewd rampart]

I learned Sambo, military version, from my brother who is a decade and a half older than me, he is ex...spook. Let's go with spook. He made people disappear for a living.

[peak ether]

I'd rather run the Underdome 20 rounders as every VH in 1 than play 4

[shrewd rampart]

^

[peak ether]

Again

[shrewd rampart]

^

[peak ether]

Because that is something I already did

[shrewd rampart]

I never wanted to not get an extra skill or advantage in a game until I touched Moxxi's Underbeerg.

[tender aspen]

Real

[unborn swallow]

Bl3 storytelling is awful but the story matters and the characters are well written imho

Bl4 is... It's uh... I can't say it's anything positive

[tender aspen]

I’d rather be watching the borderlands movie again then play bl4 at any time

[shrewd rampart]

The biggest thing Bl3 has going for it...is the gun wise it is AMAZING.

[peak ether]

Bl3 guns are so nice

[shrewd rampart]

With Bl3 it is kind of a bit of a...split I suppose. You either love it or ya hate it.

[unborn swallow]

I think Caring about the story of a borderlands game is extremely stupid

[shrewd rampart]

I am in the hate group, but I admit Jakobs guns give me a bit of a...excitement in how they work and appear.

[peak ether]

^

I am one those "gameplay over literally everything else" people

[shrewd rampart]

BL2 as about the best story, and that shit is swiss cheese at best.

[unborn swallow]

That's what borderlands was built upon

Bl2 story isn't good, it's just enjoyable

[shrewd rampart]

It has more holes than a backstop I mag dumped a 12 gauge shotgun into with a hundred rounds of buckshot.

[peak ether]

^

[tender aspen]

So true

[peak ether]

If you want a good Borderlands story play Tales

[shrewd rampart]

And the jokes are ass.

The game is good despite the jokes, not because of them...which was something learned in Battleborn...but Gearbox is slow at learning.

[peak ether]

On God if you're a Bl player and haven't played Tales fix that

That game has me listening to Kiss the Sky constantly now

[unborn swallow]

@sly ferry makes a better story than bl writers, if you want bl story, go there

[tender aspen]

I’ve still yet to do claptastic voyage nor do tales past episode 1

Just never got around to it

[peak ether]

Most franchises the writing goes to shit when an outside team gets their hands on it

[shrewd rampart]

The only time I remember Tales is when someone brings them up...then memory decays faster than the most volatile reactive compound on earth; I forget instantly.

[peak ether]

Borderlands the 1 time that happens the writing improved

[shrewd rampart]

Borderlands 1 was a hail mary or whatever.

[unborn swallow]

Bl1 was but it defined the genre

[shrewd rampart]

They were surprised it did so good...so they did some shady nonsense with Sega to make Bl2, do not quite me on that, and that resulted in the sequel.

After that...erp.

[tender aspen]

I compare bl1’s story to 4, with bl1 still winning out because it was made from nothing

[unborn swallow]

Damn near every single fucking borderlands 2 die hard likes everything that bl1 isn't

[tender aspen]

Bl4 had 13 years to improve from the OG, and somehow went backwards

[shrewd rampart]

I would do some shady shit for the Maliwan Defiler to be in Bl2.

[peak ether]

We already do

[unborn swallow]

Infection

[peak ether]

It's called the Infection

[unborn swallow]

Peak gun

[shrewd rampart]

I feel that BL1 did a whole lot better with shotguns than bl2 did...fight me.

[unborn swallow]

They're entirely different weapon types

[peak ether]

I'd argue with you if you weren't right

[unborn swallow]

Combat Shotgun vs Shotgun (generic)

[peak ether]

You're forgetting Assault Shotguns

[unborn swallow]

TRUE

[shrewd rampart]

Rifles in bl1...yeah they're better.

[unborn swallow]

meh?

[shrewd rampart]

That side magazine reload and some of those box magazines...MMM

[unborn swallow]

I dislike bl1 combat rifles

[tender aspen]

I miss when sledge was a knockback shotgun and not a random burst fire shotgun because yes

[shrewd rampart]

^

[peak ether]

We can't be friends

[unborn swallow]

bl1 sledges knockback sucks

[peak ether]

Stompers go hard

[unborn swallow]

I prefer bl3 rifles

Im sorry

[tender aspen]

Bl3 rifles slap

[shrewd rampart]

My sibling on Pandora. That knockback was so good despite being so pointless.

[tender aspen]

Plus I just like the way they look

[unborn swallow]

Bl3 rifles feel so fluid, bl1 rifles feel girthy but i never use them over smgs

[shrewd rampart]

DID YOU NOT LIKE BEING ABLE TO YEET ENEMIES INTO A NEIGHBORING COUNTY/COUNTRY WITH THAT JAKOBS KNOCKBACK.

[unborn swallow]

No

I didn't

[peak ether]

Yes actually

[tender aspen]

Where’s girthquake when we need him most?

[shrewd rampart]

We will never be friends Amara.

[peak ether]

That knockback can get you killed

[unborn swallow]

I'm not a fan of him

[unborn swallow]

Also kills your second shot damage

[tender aspen]

To each their own I guess

[shrewd rampart]

Good thing I am anti-social bastard that does not care to have friends.

[unborn swallow]

We are borderlands players

[tender aspen]

I liked the knockback because it was funny and became something I never see on guns

[unborn swallow]

I don't talk anyone here outside of this server really

[unborn swallow]

Little Yeeti

[shrewd rampart]

Because I loved sending that pumpkin ass looking fool in Dr. Derp's Zombie Island of nonsense way over yonder to the point he forgot I existed with a three round burst from Sledge's Shotgun.

[tender aspen]

That had knockback?

[unborn swallow]

Yes

That's the whole point of it

[tender aspen]

Unfortunate that I would never use that gun

Oh yeeti, I get it

Hm I probably will still never use it

[unborn swallow]

We might be the most adversarial bl players

[shrewd rampart]

I used the knockback to corner the enemy to where I could...do things with them...

Past tense their backsides

[tender aspen]

👀

[unborn swallow]

[peak ether]

We just look into stupid shit beyond mortal comprehension

Also bruh I am so rusty at Craw

[unborn swallow]

I literally can't do craw

I refuse to grind craw guns

[tender aspen]

Craw was beat once by me, and it took like 20 tries before

[shrewd rampart]

Basically if you ever played Pyro in Team Fortress you would have a knack of using the knockback to just obliterate a target in a corner.

[unborn swallow]

I have, and I don't care for it

[peak ether]

In the wise words of Mr. Torgue

[shrewd rampart]

Knockback juggle.

[peak ether]

"Don't fight like shit this time"

[tender aspen]

Explosions?

Damn.. close enough

[unborn swallow]

What's the top 3 sg's in bl1

[peak ether]

Plague, Hammer, and I wanna say Crux

[tender aspen]

Crux my beloved

[unborn swallow]

Crux crux & hammer

[shrewd rampart]

Also with Jakobs knockback it becomes an environmental hazard. You can just yeet an enemy off a cliff.

[tender aspen]

I always liked the Crux

[shrewd rampart]

I love crux.

Maliwan is my side chick when Jakobs ain't putt--er....dropping.

[peak ether]

Bro how am I not dead this Craw run is so ass

Okay nvm

[unborn swallow]

[tender aspen]

My one craw kill took like 10 minutes ngl

[peak ether]

But it's hard to narrow that down because Bl1 shotguns have a strong line up and I kinda don't see Bl1 guns as different weapons

They're mostly just deviations of the same blue print

[shrewd rampart]

I seriously do not remember any of my Craw kills, but I know I shoved that overgrown crawdad into the oven.

[tender aspen]

Think craw would taste good if he was cooked?

[peak ether]

As long as it doesn't have a Butcher barrel and can get body 5 and a good barrel it'll be fine

[shrewd rampart]

crawdads are some good shit when made right.

[peak ether]

Fuck the Bl1 Butcher

[tender aspen]

I got my raid boss sandwich here, it tastes like victory and hell

[peak ether]

At least the Hydra turns a target into paste point blank

[tender aspen]

I forgot the butcher existed in bl1 because I only found a single one ever in the gift shop

[peak ether]

Butcher barrel is a straight nerf to the shotgun

[shrewd rampart]

crawdads, or just Craw, are just southern crabs you do not have to buy. You can pretty much catch them everywhere east of the Mississippi in the U.S.

Not sure about westerwards.

[peak ether]

It's incredibly rare for how awful it feels to use one

[shrewd rampart]

Butcher shotgun is kinda ass in bl2.

[tender aspen]

I like it in bl2

I think it’s fun, but we all have our differences

[shrewd rampart]

^

[peak ether]

Okay got a kill in

[shrewd rampart]

That is all that matters. I should actually thank it as while running Butcher shotgun build...I came a cross a Jakobs Striker...and then I was Enlightened to Jakobs.

On Maya.

[peak ether]

Perfect Double Vladof Repeater

I'm Mordy

Actually not perfect

Mag could be better

[shrewd rampart]

So I wanna ask...I heard that some white guns in bl1 are insane in damage output, that true?

[peak ether]

Eh

[shrewd rampart]

As in they push out much, much higher than legendaries and pearls.

[peak ether]

Rarity in Bl1 works off a score system

So if a gun is white it means it spawned either at literal or close to worst parts possible

Bruh a Common Man com

[shrewd rampart]

I was just curious and it has been...uh...I do not how long ago I heard such a thing was a thing; maybe ten years? I just thought of it and wanted it put to rest.

[peak ether]

Fuck this shit ass game

[peak ether]

Basically in Bl1 the parts are tiered based on how good they are

Body 5 is always the best one if a gun has 1 body 1 is always shit

Barrel 4 always has the best dmg with decent accuracy

Barrel 5 is best accuracy solid dmg

Higher quality parts are worth more rarity points

And the game assigns a color based on the total

[shrewd rampart]

I was just curious, and I do remember having some Tediore ass revolver with a masher barrel that rode me for an absurd amount of time...no idea parts. BL1 parts I have .5% knowledge of.

[peak ether]

This is why Bl1 has 3 legendary rarities btw

[unborn swallow]

Just.. the wrong take, but sure

[shrewd rampart]

It just reloaded absurdly fast and had a solid magazine sidze.

[unborn swallow]

It was pretty heavy majority an S tier weapon

[peak ether]

The 3 legendary rarities directly correlate to the non legendary rarities

[shrewd rampart]

I hate everything non-Jakobs. They can all burn in hell...I hope that clears things up. Just throw them into a blast furnace and call it a day.

I may or may not be joking.

[unborn swallow]

Im not going to comment

I must remember this is bl official

[tender aspen]

Should rename yourself to the Jakobs brand simp

[peak ether]

Yellow = white/green legendary
Light orange = blue legendary
Dark orange = purple legendary

[unborn swallow]

What's White Rarity above dark orange i have a Thanatos ranked higher than my Reaper

[peak ether]

A bug

[shrewd rampart]

I like Jakobs...that does not mean I think they are the best. You really need to have the right mindset to want to use them in Bl2.

If that makes me a simp...k.

[unborn swallow]

Technically the right answer

[tender aspen]

I’m obviously joking

You can like what you like

[peak ether]

Butcher is a decent gun but it really wants that VGrip

[shrewd rampart]

I am slightly hammered so if I overract bear with me.

[peak ether]

I only dislike it in 1

[shrewd rampart]

Butcher I liked but I wound up using the Striker due to using less ammo for more...boom I suppose on Maya.

Basically I got more out of per shot.

[peak ether]

Also before you Moze players get any ideas

[unborn swallow]

Overcompensator is A/B ranked

Butcher is S

[peak ether]

No

Just no

[unborn swallow]

That's how big a difference it Vgrip is

[peak ether]

Use a Boogeyman

Even still I don't like the Boogeyman all that much

[shrewd rampart]

V grip is kinda...eh with Jakobs unless you are using a Orphan Maker.

[unborn swallow]

For reference

[shrewd rampart]

With something like the Striker you may wish to have Doc's for critical hit bonus or the accuracy prefix to ensure you whack a target.

[unborn swallow]

Lmao

[unborn swallow]

Use a dark army!!

Go watch Sulphur Moze

🔥

[unborn swallow]

Jakobs is pretty consistently rated lower than hyperion

[shrewd rampart]

....I do not care.

[unborn swallow]

[shrewd rampart]

I am the wrong person to talk to about min/maxing.

I like Jakobs, that is that.

[unborn swallow]

I like Amara

[shrewd rampart]

Cool.

[unborn swallow]

I still put my biases aside

I don't make it my personality, just my persona

[tender aspen]

I like shitting on bl4

[unborn swallow]

Morally correct

[peak ether]

Do I even have biases

[shrewd rampart]

I just like Jakobs. There are some absurd builds with them, but they are mid tier without builds. Jakobs will never punch as high as other companies in Bl2, and I accept that...

[unborn swallow]

You're pretty unbiased in this franchise

[peak ether]

Weird but ok

[unborn swallow]

Most people including myself have very arbitrary opinions based on nothing but vibes

[unborn swallow]

I'm glad they improved jakobs in bl3

[shrewd rampart]

So...I am not a vibe. I like a certain gun company...I do not care what others think; what the trend is. I like it...regardless of its efficienty. I am the stone wall here that does not care.

Cool. I like the aesthetic of Jakobs of BL3...but unless gearbox hands me a copy, I ain't playing for my own reasons.

[peak ether]

And the follow up?

[unborn swallow]

Oh, that was just it

[shrewd rampart]

I like the bayonet attachment on Jakobs. I can practically hear the whistle being blown before a bayonet charge.

[peak ether]

I see

[unborn swallow]

You don't really seemingly have arbitrary or biased opinions when you talk to others

[peak ether]

I intentionally don't restrict myself to a specific options in games

I try to understand everything at a lvl where if I have to use it I can

[unborn swallow]

Vladof pistols bl3!!

[peak ether]

Lightshow

[unborn swallow]

Not real

Fake weapon

[peak ether]

Bro why am I so ass at this rn

[peak ether]

But funnily enough

In the Project Moon server someone said I talk like a character whose defining character trait is he hates giving opinionated answers

[shrewd rampart]

Oh?

[peak ether]

Like he straight up avoids having to give his own personal thoughts

[shrewd rampart]

Sound like someone that just wants to go with the flow so to speak. Not making to big of waves by being something of a neutral party....I think.

[unborn swallow]

My hot take is bl1 zombie dlc isn't fun

[unborn swallow]

GO WITH THE FLOW AMARA REFERENCE???

[shrewd rampart]

The only reason I like the Zombie dlc is I am not driving...at all.

[tawdry shell]

i don't think saying anything in borderlands isn't fun is a hot take lmao

[shrewd rampart]

Amari is a Siren...right? Some muscular chick that can summon extra arms?

[tawdry shell]

amara

[unborn swallow]

[shrewd rampart]

Amy...Army....Imy. Impy...k.

Something something not Jakobs Bl3 thingy...sure.

[unborn swallow]

Amara is probably the best jakobs user

If not fl4

But Amara does silly stuff

[shrewd rampart]

Most Sirens do.

Maya was my Jakobs squeeze until I moved onto Axton...now Gaige...probably later the others.

Comfort pick.

[unborn swallow]

[peak ether]

The character in question

[unborn swallow]

I don't think many sirens are "goofy"

[shrewd rampart]

I didn't say it either.

I have no knowledge of Lilith in the first game.

[peak ether]

Lilith is purely functional

[shrewd rampart]

Maya is aburd in how good she is with how she can turn even just about the worst gun into something useful...

[peak ether]

She gets the job done and there isn't much past that

[shrewd rampart]

...and that is about it with my knowledge on Sirens.

The third one...muscle mommy or something.

Maya is the one that really helped me kick in the door with Jakobs due to her abilities.

[peak ether]

Phasewalk is a good action skill with multiple use cases

She has a strong crit buff

High Velocity is 20% always on bullet dmg

[shrewd rampart]

I was just a brute force player in the first game.

[peak ether]

Enforcer gives you more bullet dmg on kill

Girl Power is a strong shield regen skill

[shrewd rampart]

Brick, Roland with heavy shotties, and Mordi with Jakobs.

[peak ether]

Phoenix has good AoE coverage

Radiance and Venom don't have the dmg to be worth going out of your way for

Blackout and Hard to Get makes her action skill spammable

She has a well rounded kit that covers everything she needs it to

But beyond that isn't too interesting

[shrewd rampart]

I really do not know why I never picked up Lilith. Might just have been I was an old school heavy hitter sort of player where I liked biggg muscles, damage, or just shock and awe.

Purty girl with tattoos....confused man thoughts.

[peak ether]

She was my first pick purely because she was the only female character

I'm that guy who almost always picks the girl option when given

[shrewd rampart]

Maya was not my first pick in Bl2. I took up Axton, Zer0, and Sal first before I understood the game...that was back before DLC.

[peak ether]

Lilith, Gaige, Athena, Moze, Spellshot were all my first picks

[shrewd rampart]

I was a Pointman Axton way back before UVHM was released; turret shields could block Hyperius' shockwaves. I was always the last man standing.

[peak ether]

Well

Spellshot/Brrzerker for Wl

Because that game's class system is completely different than how the main games do it

[shrewd rampart]

TPS I had a Wilhelm build, but Athena was my squeeze...and Nisha I dabbled in once I got over my dislike of her action skill.

[peak ether]

Why?

I thought combining a sorcerer class and a warrior one would've been interesting

Turn enemy into a sheep then hammer it with attacks that do frost dmg that then cast my spells for free

[shrewd rampart]

I know nothing of Wonderbread.

[peak ether]

It's an uh

Different game

Gameplay is good but it has a nothing to do at endgame problem

[shrewd rampart]

I used to work with a co-worker who was...he was really into borderlands more than I did...basically no safeties I suppose, he played the snot out of everything up until bl4.