bl1-2-tps-media

[last willow]

orange

[tawdry shell]

if you count bugs nearly every character is broken tho

[last willow]

||pink banana||

[cunning sable]

Thats a person not a fella

[last willow]

Idk any with maya except the turret thing

[sullen girder]

Maya and Gaige infinite kill skill glitch

[tawdry shell]

yeah sal is jank but if he worked like fully intended he wouldn't be as busted

[peak ether]

I saw an opportunity and I took it

[sullen girder]

CA stacking on Zer0

[last willow]

No kill like overkill is beyond busted

[tawdry shell]

https://www.lootlemon.com/location/opportunity

[peak ether]

He would collapse and fall apart actually

[cunning sable]

If you need Glitches to play a character are you really playing them right

Im saying NEED glitches

[sullen girder]

Sal having his survivability cap skill tree only being once per gunzerk just.

Completely goes against the tree thats actually good

[last willow]

I dont i run around with grog and orphan maker/dpuh

[peak ether]

https://tiphereth.zasz.su/cards/404002/
Yo like

[cunning sable]

Ew

[last willow]

Its not hard to normally play

[sullen girder]

Oh Om? So you use the glitch of Moneyshot reading the main guns mag and applying it to the off hand?

Tsk tsk tsk. Needing a glitch

[cunning sable]

Sal but no Gunzerk

[sullen girder]

Aka. "I didn't spend any skill Points"

Because like. 95% of his skills are tied to Gunzerk

[last willow]

He is buns without it to a extent i will admit

[sullen girder]

At least everyone else can function without their action skill

[cunning sable]

Kreig is a sort of Do or Dont

[sullen girder]

Yeah Krieg is the only one designed with builds in mind to not use BXR

[cunning sable]

You either build for it or completely ignore it

[sullen girder]

Axton, Zer0, Maya, and Gaige are all like "Yeah using it definitely helps. But its not like we need it"

[tawdry shell]

what da hell

[sullen girder]

unless its Melee Zer0

[sullen girder]

Ew torgue grip reload speed

[cunning sable]

Gaige to an extent can modify hers, and Axton
But gaige moreso

[sullen girder]

Love Thumper

[peak ether]

No I'm serious about this btw if you took away
Moxxi
Offhand glitches
Whatever the fuck Pimplaunching is
And all of his other major bugs
Sal would genuinely be the worst VH in the game

[cunning sable]

Stuff like Sharing is Caring and Make it Sparkle
The Clap, Robot Rampage

[sullen girder]

Spinning Claws and Love Thumper

It can only go well

[cunning sable]

Ive yet to use a Thumper on DT

Mostly I've done WTF and Transformer setups

[sullen girder]

Oh yeah, SiC lets Gaige be the only vh to use WTF

[cunning sable]

Theres aslo Black Hole shenanigans that gets funny

[peak ether]

I fucking love having all my healing in a mid as fuck skill tree totally didn't make lvling in Normal + Tvhm the most miserable agonizing experience in this piece of shit game

[sullen girder]

"Just use a grog"

Oh god wait

Grog is the bl2 reddit equivalent of verified twitter users going "@grok context???"

[cunning sable]

What if we just
Remove the grog
And rubi

Watch the bl2 players scramble to use any moxxi weapon

[sullen girder]

Could also make it so moxxi lifesteal isn't applied to the player

[peak ether]

Better yet

[sullen girder]

Sal players would instantly crumble under op10

[peak ether]

Just get rid of Moxxi life steal altogether

[cunning sable]

Nerf it to like
1%

[sullen girder]

Give them all nade splash actually

[peak ether]

That alone would change people's tune on Sal

Cause now they have to engage with his unique healing tools

[cunning sable]

They'd probably still use Hoarder setups
Thats just topneaa spam

Or butcher

[sullen girder]

Would KittenZerker be as viable?

Since Kitten is a moxxi weapon

[cunning sable]

Its good regardless of the.lifesteal isnt it

Like the Hail

[eager laurel]

yeah

[peak ether]

Moxxi alone kills any and all interest in Gunzerk tbh

[sullen girder]

And Creamer then

[eager laurel]

sal no lifesteal would be heavy red investment for sex rex

[sullen girder]

Creamer is genuinely like. Stupid broken and no one talks about it as a Launcher

[cunning sable]

Creamer is a funky item

[peak ether]

Because the idea of "duel wielding any weapon combo" sounds cool as fuck

Then you look at endgame Sal and everyones just offhanding the same 3 guns

Or just 2 of the same gun

[cunning sable]

The only time they did it again was Nisha?

And that was pistols only

Oh, Claptrap had funzerker

[peak ether]

Clone

[sullen girder]

Nisha was at least forced to be an exact copy and it made sense for her theme

[cunning sable]

Zane or Jack

[peak ether]

Zane

[sullen girder]

Jack clones just shoot the energy balls

[cunning sable]

Isnt that just a duplicate rather then dual weild

[peak ether]

Except Double Barrel is the most interesting take on the idea and it isn't even fucking duel wielding

[sullen girder]

Yeah Zane clones shoot a copy

[cunning sable]

Ahh, Grease Trap

[peak ether]

The loading tips directly made the call back

[cunning sable]

I didn't know that

[peak ether]

Smth smth duel wielding that doesn't require you to hold 2 guns

[cunning sable]

I dont think ive ever seen that tip

[sullen girder]

Well i gotta go get some sleep. Peace

[peak ether]

And then they make an off comment saying "there is no way this can be exploited for an unfair advantage, probably"

[cunning sable]

Would Athena and Aspis count
Cause i think you can hold it and shoot too

[last willow]

Yall fw the cat

[wheat harbor]

@last willow no spam

[last willow]

[peak ether]

Based Australian

[last willow]

😭?

[peak ether]

[last willow]

Tps dev

[tawdry shell]

slots coming in clutch

always gamble 🙏

hhhrnnrnghhh

:3

[last willow]

[zinc gyro]

Lascau better XD

[umbral loom]

real

[opal ingot]

nah that's the torrent so it's not better

[midnight mesa]

Love the shiny aura they have.

It's a mod?

[eager laurel]

I believe it’s reshade?

[tawdry shell]

item lights

it’s a mod for bl1 as well

[midnight mesa]

I like it

[tawdry shell]

it’s really nice

makes things a bit laggy during raid farming tho

[eager laurel]

@graceful plaza

all the different gun crit changes

[graceful plaza]

Oh wow ok

Ty

[eager laurel]

so for preadd you have all Jakobs weapon types except sniper, the Grog Nozzle, Leadstorm and Hyperion Pistol barrel

[sharp lily]

It's a duplicate except that then you can swap weapons and clone keeps the one you gave him.

[sharp lily]

Wait so the "crit penalty" of ARs is scale? So it is just additive with skill crit and stuff? I thought the formula had something like AR crit penalty in the denominator or something. I'm confused

[eager laurel]

(2 + Preadd) * (1 + Scale)/(1- NegativeScale)+PostAdd

ar crit penalty is negative scale

and so is PiP

[sharp lily]

Ahh okay cool. Also I thought it was -25% too...strange I'm just misremembering that I guess

Wait does the etech AR get the -20% for the weapon type and the -50% for the barrel? @eager laurel

[eager laurel]

yes

[sharp lily]

Yikes no wonder so many people just skip over Blasters lol

[eager laurel]

and the etech snipers have -100%

[sharp lily]

gross lol. With crit being such a huge part of damage formula especially in this game that's a lot of reduction in overall damage

Cuts all your normal skill/gear crit bonuses in half 😬

[scenic briar]

The blaster penalty is so crummy that with enough pain is power points on krieg, you can do LESS crit damage than bodyshot damage. Pretty funny stuff

[sharp lily]

That's crazy...I assume that pain is power isn't even required to hit that point on a railer lol

[scenic briar]

While the railer crit penalty is really high, snipers have enough base crit that it doesn't lose damage from crits off the bat

[eager laurel]

yeah it's neutral

but then any crit boosts from skills are getting diminished by the neg scale

[scenic briar]

Pain is power does say it doesn't grant its gun damage to snipers. Does the penalty still apply to them then?

[eager laurel]

no clue

[opal ingot]

[marble birch]

at least it was just a bunny

[eager laurel]

you might want to cap your framerate if you don't want loot getting lost like that

[marble birch]

cap to 60 or 120

[eager laurel]

120 should be fine

[marble birch]

thx

[eager laurel]

i cap it to my refresh rate which is 165 and that's still fine

[marble birch]

vsync?

[eager laurel]

not unless you have terrible screen tear

vsync adds a slight delay that generally isn’t noticeable outside of competitive fps games imo, so you can use it if you want but it doesn’t do anything if you aren’t getting screen tear

[stone isle]

My first Pearl.

[scenic briar]

Cool! I've never personally gotten a serpens, which is a shame considering how much roland I play

[worn lake]

My first on pc was a rose shield lol

[sullen girder]

My first 2 that weren't Undertaker were rose and bessie

[sharp lily]

Serpens is awesome. That was my second pearl. First was undertaker. Both from Craw though

Congrats btw

[peak ether]

Body 4 :(

Womp womp

[eager laurel]

?vh

[serene escarp]

The Vault Hunter role allows you to upload and embed pictures and other media in certain channels and stream to VC. It also allows Nitro users to use external emotes. The Vault Hunter role is an activity role and requires you to reach level 2 with the Lurkr bot. All you have to do to level up is to chat with other users in the server.

[inner lantern]

i just learned that apparently Krieg is in Breaking Bad

[midnight mesa]

Hello there Jason Douglas

[inner lantern]

yh and hes also Beerus, Lord of Destruction

[small peak]

He’s in the walking dead too

And plays Satan in Preacher

Bros everywhere

[inner lantern]

also in Dr Stone, and Black clover (only a small side character in the latter tho)

[small peak]

Met him at a small local event a couple years ago in my Krieg cosplay, he’s super nice

[inner lantern]

i wouldnt be saying kriegs catchphrase to people that are unaware

[small peak]

I have a Krieg decal on the rear windshield of my car ft. him and “IM THE CONDUCTOR OF THE POOP TRAIN” sometimes I wonder how that looks to people behind me who probably have no idea wtf that means

That was also my text notif sound for a time 😭

[inner lantern]

just dont say something about getting onto meat bicycles to random people

[shy jay]

This any good?

[pallid garden]

Mm x7

[shy jay]

35x7

[peak ether]

Everything but the mag

Mag 3 is :/

[pallid garden]

Mag 3

[shy jay]

Yea

[pallid garden]

I think mag 3 is the tech bonus

[peak ether]

It is

[pallid garden]

So

Womp womp

[peak ether]

But on revolvers tech is kinda a meh stat to boost

[shy jay]

Tho in pt1 its pretty nice for where im at

[peak ether]

You already have guaranteed procs even at x1

[pallid garden]

Stock 1

You want stock 0 right?

For that reload

[peak ether]

Stock 0 on mag 5 specifically

[shy jay]

I’ve also been using this to shred mfs

[umbral loom]

Not punching with brick is a sin.

[shy jay]

I’ve been searching for berserker coms but I keep getting centurions and blast masters 😦

[pallid garden]

Thats

A pretty nice parted rifle

AR, best body, mag 5 best mag

Stock pretty decent

Honestly will probably carry you till you're like level 40 or 50

[shy jay]

Wait really?

Nice ig

[sharp lily]

Dang! That is a great roll. Too bad its only level 20.

[pallid garden]

Right

[sharp lily]

Only thing that could be better is the material and the stock

[peak ether]

I would've preferred barrel 5 but yeah that's a very good roll

But barrel 4 vs 5 is a preference thing

[shy jay]

The Golden Chest has been giving me really good gear thus far

[pallid garden]

Barrel 4 does more damage doesn't it

Just like less accurate

[shy jay]

It’s vladof tho
Accuracy by volume of fire is their whole thing

[pallid garden]

I would prefer barrel 5 on Roland

Barrel 4 on brick

As brick is more of a "say hello to the end of my barrel" type of guy

Man I can't spell for anything

Typical borderlands player

[sharp lily]

Roland already has some AR accuracy in his skills. If anything I'd swap those

[pallid garden]

Roland is the only character I play with a distant play style

Everyone else I barrel stuff

[shy jay]

Just got these from a random vendor in rust commons obv not the best but still cool imo

[sharp lily]

Nice! Defender can be fun and anarchy is obviously really good.

[pallid garden]

Most playthroughs I avoid the anarchy like it's the plague

[sharp lily]

Why is that?

[pallid garden]

I find the weapon boring

Would prefer using a fury or a stinger over an anarchy

And if I want a pellet spam I'm using a shotgun or masher

[sharp lily]

That's fair. I never really use Machine Pistols because I lean more toward SMGs or MGs.

[pallid garden]

A double fury goes crazy

I'll always sing it's praise

Or say a torment on Lilith

[sharp lily]

Highest fire rate in the game right? Even higher than a stinger?

[pallid garden]

I don't remember tbh

Stingers can reach 18.1

[sharp lily]

I wish gear calc still worked 😭

[pallid garden]

I do know a burst fire machine pistol can reach 22.something

[pallid garden]

Or is it 18.3

The average for a stinger though is like 17.9

[sharp lily]

Ahh is it only the burst fire MPs that get above 20 fire rate? That's the number I was remembering 20+

[pallid garden]

Yeah the Bursts get up there

Regular machine pistols are on par with stingers

[scenic briar]

I'd definitely take get some over ready already

Probably also asbestos over juggernaut

[last willow]

Uhhh ill decline im Comfortable with what i built thanks tho

[scenic briar]

Sorry if I seemed like I was forcing those skill choices on you. I think they're good to keep in mind if you like not dying to dots or having decent gunzerk uptime. I used to fall for the ready already trap back in the day

[last willow]

Nah its alr

[last willow]

Im guessing ready already is but?

[scenic briar]

Investing in Get Some allows you to restore gunzerk cooldown WHILE GUNZERKING, which also activates Keep It Piping Hot until the cooldown is fully refreshed.

Since get some is a chunk of cooldown, it isn't affected by ready already either

[last willow]

[distant ginkgo]

I love this thing
It's heaven on Athena

[last willow]

Is that a conference call:0

[scenic briar]

Elemental Hyperion shotguns in general are crazy on her. Once you get to 70, look out for 3 or 4 ammo per shot glitch Hyperion shotguns, really nasty stuff

[distant ginkgo]

BRO, that's exactly what I want

[distant ginkgo]

imagine this gun but glitched with good parts and perfect error code?

oh my gawd

[scenic briar]

IMO you wouldn't need company man to be glitch, since the large mag is kind of unnecessary with Unrelenting active, and I think glitch hyperions have higher base damage than it

[eager laurel]

glitch thinking

[distant ginkgo]

true dat, what's the best farm for glitch gear?

[scenic briar]

Depends on what you're willing to do. If you save quit the first step of file search, you get one guaranteed glitch weapon and a chance at a few by going through Nexus. Slow, but basically no combat

[last willow]

I use the the 2 dogs that drop the grenade and laser there are bunch of chests on way and the thresher

[peak ether]

Athena kinda doesn't care for glitch effects and Company Man doesn't need the mag size increase

[scenic briar]

I suppose she doesn't need them, but I imagine most of them would still do well? Green/red ammo consumption being undone my unrelenting/elemental barrage shenanigans and whatnot

[peak ether]

Storm Weaving needs to be up and swapping off removes your active glitch effect

[last willow]

I once got a glitched jakobs ar that when it got to red glitch it did so much damage it phased immune phases

And 1 shotted bosses

[distant ginkgo]

so with that in mind, is company still the go to?

[scenic briar]

True, but it REALLY goes nuts if you can swap and get a quick reload off. It works sometimes

I'm describing a gambling cope thing I love, not exactly optimal

[distant ginkgo]

respect. Anything to spice things up

Glitched Ravagers tho, those are heat

[scenic briar]

I would still probably go for a glitch development since it has more mag size than a regular one, and, glitch effect or not, benefits a lot from barrage. Maybe that's because I use 1 ammo per shot Hyperion on everyone, I just like the chance to use the 4 shot ones once in a while

[distant ginkgo]

isn't development more raw damage?

with the torgue barrel

[scenic briar]

Maybe, I dunno

I use it for variety

[peak ether]

Yes

It's an amazing gun

Too bad you can no longer get it legit vanilla

[distant ginkgo]

community patch for the win but yes, very sad

[last willow]

High ass quality

[umbral loom]

wow verm found me in this game.

[wheat harbor]

is that exodus mod?

[pearl surge]

Is Anyone willing to help power level my Salvador to level 72 so I can use my weapon please?

I’m on ps5

[distant ginkgo]

Nope
Its a gun from vanilla
Got it through community patch

[wheat harbor]

i know its a vanilla gun
the skin just looked different
must just be different video settings

[distant ginkgo]

Most likely

I have reshade on so

[opaque scroll]

is it good ?

[tall surge]

good enough

[opaque scroll]

thanks!

[peak ether]

@dark stone

This is a perfectly fine pistol spec

[dark stone]

Mine is a bit all over the place right now because I’ve been using it for Eridian leveling

[peak ether]

For pretty much everything you wanna do

[tall surge]

ive heard Swipe is pretty good

probably better points spent than Ransack

[peak ether]

My two biggest pieces of advice to new players on Mordecai is don't sleep on Bloodwing and ignore Trespass

[peak ether]

It is I just prefer extra loot drops

[dark stone]

Doesn’t Smirk deal more damage?

[peak ether]

I once got an almost perfect Ogre from Ransack

[peak ether]

No

[dark stone]

Huh, I must be mistaken then

[tall surge]

makes enemies drop health vials

[peak ether]

Sniper tree is honestly the weakest of the 3

[tall surge]

money and ammo too
but the health vials go crazy

[peak ether]

That's Swipe not Smirk

[tall surge]

oh

same thing smh

[peak ether]

? reading

[serene escarp]

If you’re a Borderlands player then odds are you don’t know how to read this.

[tall surge]

who cares about smirk past lvl 10

[dark stone]

I can see why people would say that, with the only actual reason being to push all the way to the shield-piercing skill ASAP

[peak ether]

That skill is pretty bad

Enemy shields don't scale correctly

So just about anything will delete them

[dark stone]

Once you reach the Eridians though and have more than likely a solid sniper, you’ll probably be grinding levels off the final couple areas for a while to get money, loot, levels, etc.

[peak ether]

Any strong parts sniper is going to one shot basic enemies through their shields w/o it

[peak ether]

Yeah it's useful for that and only that

And even then it still isn't super necessary

Trespass is a noob trap

[dark stone]

I still use it for that, and if I feel the need, maybe invest in Ransack to get better loot drops along the shield piercing on Playthrough 2 then hit the Vault a couple times to see what I can score

[peak ether]

Even on Sniper specs I still don't grab it

Because I'd rather use those points on something more helpful

https://www.lootlemon.com/class/mordecai#_5505510_5055502_5505505

[dark stone]

I’m a dead-set sniper at heart but I love revolvers so I only really prioritized snipers for a quick one shot headshot kill

[peak ether]

By not speccing Trespass here I can use those points to grab Swipe for more ammo and health, Gun Crazy for better weapon flexibility, Lethal Strike for potential close range dmg, or Ransack for more loot

[dark stone]

But when it comes to fighting Craw himself I’m easily overwhelmed and quickly stressed out by the sheer number and amount of enemies that I need to remember the weaknesses of

I’ll be fully honest the only enemy in Craw’s arena I’ve memorized the weakness of is the armored crab that needs corrosion to kill

[distant ginkgo]

idk why, but this looks pretty

[distant ginkgo]

Tvhm gonna be a breeze now with this setup

[cunning sable]

Thats not a breeze thats a storm

[worn lake]

Average bl2 experience

[floral pelican]

Is this a good gun for mordy

[tawdry shell]

seems fine yeah

[umbral loom]

eww tediore grip

[opal ingot]

ew harold

[opaque scroll]

😦

[steady jungle]

🤦‍♂️

[opal ingot]

🚮

[steady jungle]

double penetrating ammo waster 🔥

[umbral loom]

I've never seen such a bad roll before. Like this is some real negative RNG shit. lmao

[tawny fractal]

is this good or nah?

[eager laurel]

it's very pink

slag actualizer is not the move

get a slag pimp

[cunning sable]

Ewww

Dpuh

On zero?
Eeeeewwwww

[steady jungle]

i wish this was gibbed

for my next trick, i'll be getting a story 94 sham in normal mode

[serene yew]

😎

[hollow prism]

It's just a dpuh with matching grip what's the problem

Dpuh isn't THAT bad you guys are overreacting.

[pallid garden]

R/woooosh

[opaque scroll]

@hollow prism

😔

[opaque scroll]

Well, was just doing the quest and instantly got a bee shield.

[lunar swift]

Actually wtf

[opal ingot]

bl2 moment

[lunar swift]

Honestly that's twice in a row Iv died in some BS right at the end of digistruct

I cba

[hollow prism]

No

Tediore grip, dp is honestly not a great accessory if it's not Sal, and personally that's a dogshit sight

[opaque scroll]

I don't really care about the sight since I use it while gunzerking but for the tediore grip I'll try to find better

[shy jay]

lol

[cunning sable]

Its still my least favorite item in bl2

[shy jay]

Real

[hollow prism]

Non unique rare Jakobs snipers:

[cunning sable]

Still hate the Harold more

[hollow prism]

Literally green or purple ones would be better but they're fucking bolt action

[lofty flame]

I will not tolerate Buffalo slander

[hollow prism]

Bolt action

[opal ingot]

dp is not good on any character, even on sal

[opal ingot]

better than purples imo

[hollow prism]

How? They're bolt action

[opal ingot]

higher damage per shot

just swap away and swap back to reset the fire rate

[hollow prism]

I mean I guess.

Feels fucking awful though.

There are worse guns to use I suppose

[steady jungle]

it'll do work ofc but why do i gotta get a perfect roll at level 8

[hollow prism]

True lol

[fluid gazelle]

@eager laurel @sullen girder i confirm, it works with season2 pass

[eager laurel]

Sick

[fluid gazelle]

thanks tho , i never had to knew

[pallid garden]

What the sigma

[flint swallow]

[proper tinsel]

Got some good loot today

[sullen girder]

I mean. Parts are whatever/bad

[fluid gazelle]

any chance to redo this mission, i kill all of them by mistake

[eager laurel]

just turn in the mission and he will respawn

[fluid gazelle]

ye. i wanted to lvl up here 😄

thx anyways

[keen bone]

you can also farm both if you don't and if you have the fast travel in lynch from what i did

[fluid gazelle]

even if i turned in?

i only see Mick here after i turned in

[sullen girder]

Nah you need the mission active

If you kill just the leader, you can save quit. And you're back at the "Shoot one of the clans" choice

[fluid gazelle]

but now i cant..i turned in ..

[sullen girder]

The only reason to farm both is to get a Slagga anyway. Which you already have one

Best to get a slagga
Kill the Zafords
Turn it in
Travel to lynchwood
Travel back
Start farming Mick

[leaden stag]

henlo

late to the convo but I generally pick side stuff based on what char am running

like for instance I dont really want a Maggie on Krieg so I kill hector on him

[sullen girder]

I mean. For Slagga and Maggie specifically you can just kill Tector in normal mode. And it'll work all the time

[leaden stag]

I kinda like it to be on lvl for shield stripping

[lofty flame]

Thats maliwan

So neutral

[umbral loom]

that's maliwan grip?

[bleak forge]

ok

[lofty flame]

Yeah

[umbral loom]

some of them look so similar I can barely tell them apart.

[lofty flame]

Bandit

[sullen girder]

Oh thats bandit yeah

[bleak forge]

fuck i forgot to copy screenshot

[lofty flame]

Tediore

[bleak forge]

It felt good while it lasted
Fucken read knly fail

[lofty flame]

That is in fact matching grip but sadly no accessory

[lofty flame]

Also @real sage its red

[real sage]

im talking about slow hand

[steady jungle]

🤤

[umbral loom]

every time I get a gun I like. it's a fucking tediore barrel.

[real sage]

Raid boss 1 on gaige is down

[tall surge]

poger

[real sage]

raid boss 2 down

Not sure which one to do next

vora I dont think ima do at all

[scenic briar]

You have a conference call, so haderax?

[real sage]

alr

[scenic briar]

If you get him in the right spot sith bee/conference fall, he just kinda dies. Like launch bee damage, but just to his back crit

[tall surge]

vermivorous

have fun!

[real sage]

now its vermi time yay

[real sage]

the legendary battle

[tall surge]

oh you actually did it

impressive patience

[real sage]

i tried for 30 mins and nothing so I spawned him in

dead vermi

[tall surge]

can you kill it with the train now

[real sage]

https://tenor.com/view/stare-cat-cat-stare-fast-gif-9103868621036733672

[real sage]

dragons down

guess I craw then hyperius

hyperius then I can finally move on to the next character 🥹

[leaden stag]

if it makes you feel better its worse that it has no element

[lofty flame]

No Gee?

[opal ingot]

no vora?

[leaden stag]

no dexi?

[worn lake]

Kek

[real sage]

6 times ive killed myself with the norfleet trying to kill hyperius minions. the sham is a sham

[graceful prairie]

That's badass

[sullen girder]

Yeah Sham sucks

Also what element is your norfleet

[real sage]

corrosive

[eager laurel]

why not drunk hive?

just one shot hype

[real sage]

That shit is lame

but ima 100% do that against vora

Not gonna spend like 20mins in that fight

[eager laurel]

fair enough

[real sage]

I did an oopsie but a win is a win

Getting an akaline turtle really made this fight a breeze

[sullen girder]

I don't know if it actually helps in that fight

[real sage]

I was getting a mean corro dot from the sand worms that kept killing me sometimes

[eager laurel]

i like the green, really makes you feel like you’re in the fight yourself

[leaden stag]

so gee doesnt give second winds, guess thats another thing added to the potentially unhelpful info list

[prime zinc]

Anyone else encountered this bug?

Right click fires the luck cannon and left click fire the launcher lol

When i equip the pistol in slot 2 it takes out the launcher and pistol

[bleak forge]

ay chat whats this grip

[opal ingot]

vladof

[bleak forge]

thanks

[zinc gyro]

It's modded so it's prpbably a bug, but my salvador in bl2 is wired lile that so idk

[long solar]

Sal just kinda does that

[zinc gyro]

He's on the presequen

Presequel*

[lofty flame]

Thats Nisha

[zinc gyro]

Nah nisha dupe the pistol she's holding XD

[lofty flame]

Look at the hand model

[long solar]

The way you said it seems like you were saying how sal does it

[long solar]

I know

[lofty flame]

And class mod name

[zinc gyro]

Since he's using i said that because it's maybe normal for the mod to behave like that

[peak ether]

That's a setting in the options screen

Gunzerker Auto Switch

[zinc gyro]

On the tps mod?

[peak ether]

No bl2 sal

[zinc gyro]

Well i know that, but here we are talking about his mod

[lofty flame]

This sucks

[autumn ledge]

What does this do, specifically?

[peak ether]

Swaps what trigger shoots which gun when in Gunzerk

[autumn ledge]

So the right trigger shoots the left-hand gun, and vice-versa? Why would someone want that?

[peak ether]

[autumn ledge]

LOL. Oh, well. I invert my Y axis on the controller to where up is down. After so many years, I can't play NOT inverted; it really messes me up.

So I can't judge.

[primal pollen]

yo im new to boderlands can any1 tell me how to refight a boss after i killed it already and done other missions?

[sullen girder]

Save quit and go back to the boss

A few bosses can't be refought though

[lofty flame]

@swift sable
https://youtu.be/6ttmcRiPSvY?feature=shared

[swift sable]

oh you need some wicked skill for that

[lofty flame]

You can just open it from below and get the items by jumping

[swift sable]

i cant even get onto the first ledge lol

[lofty flame]

And then just check your inventory after

[swift sable]

so what am i looking for from this

[lofty flame]

Random stuff

Nothing in particular

[swift sable]

i need stuff thats better than this junk

[lofty flame]

Ravager is pretty nice unless its underleveled

[swift sable]

it needs to do more damage

[lofty flame]

You might consider getting a relic that actually increases your damage

[swift sable]

where

[lofty flame]

From the chest

[swift sable]

bad news, i can only loot 3 of the 4 chest items

[lofty flame]

Save quit and try again

[swift sable]

oh no i mean consistently

[lofty flame]

Missing one is better than missing all of them

[swift sable]

eh

i mean is this just the best quality im gonna get or what

like all of this loot will be as meh as this

[lofty flame]

At that level probably, but a 17% boost is miles ahead of a 0% boost

[swift sable]

boooo

im having a way tougher time than i did at this part of the game on normal mode

[lofty flame]

Yeah because normal mode is much more lenient

[swift sable]

well yeah but i need one weapon of each damage type

which i dont have

because theres so many different types of resistances now everywhere

[lofty flame]

Welcome to borderlands farming

[swift sable]

maybe i need to actually spend my badass tokens

[lofty flame]

That'd marginally help

Unless you've spent literally zero of them and have like a bajilion sitting around

[swift sable]

is 75 a lot

thats how many i have

ive spent zero

[lofty flame]

Idr

[trail radish]

insane...

[sullen girder]

Sucks on krieg, refarm

[main berry]

Does anyone know the chances of rolling a pearl out of the tiny Tina slot machine?

[swift sable]

@steady jungle

level 32 and im just getting my ass handed to me by the assassinate the assassins miniquest

how 2 suck less question mark

[hollow prism]

I'd pick up a moxxi weapon like the kitten, grog, rubi, cher-amie or heartbreaker, ideally the grog nozzle.

[swift sable]

healing is an issue sure but i also dont deal damage

[peak ether]

None of these are available yet

[hollow prism]

And a way better shield. Just getting a good turtle shield will help, especially if it lowers your health a lot for more capacity. There's a mechanic where you cannot be oneshot if you are above 50% health, it's called healthgate, so the less health you have the easier time moxxi weapons will heal since they are based on damage dealt.

[swift sable]

also, isnt the grog nozzle one of those types of guns that makes you worse at the game for using it because of how good it is

crutch, thats the word

[peak ether]

Teaches bad habits more like

[hollow prism]

Only puritans who tell other people how they should play believe that.

[swift sable]

sure but i dont want to only be able to play the game with the grog nozzle

[peak ether]

Ideally you don't want to crutch on the grog

Other healing sources are usually better

Axton doesn't need it

Maya absolutely doesn't

[swift sable]

que en cambio

[peak ether]

Krieg has ToTK

[hollow prism]

Krieg doesn't need it yeah

[peak ether]

Melee Zer0 maybe

[swift sable]

law and order keeps melee zero alive no

[hollow prism]

I mean you can use slag transfusions but you want your grenade for Axton at the very least

[peak ether]

Sniper absolutely not because it breaks CA

[hollow prism]

Melee Zer0 is either rubi or grog, they're basically a requirement

But like grog is still a good gun you should absolutely use

[peak ether]

Love Thumper and Hide are the go to shields for that

[swift sable]

so circling back...

[hollow prism]

For early game builds sure, you can get them from a previous playthrough and have it be your starting gear

[swift sable]

fair enough

so if all of those guns mentioned arent available, hen what can i do

[peak ether]

Punchee instead of Hide if playing legit because getting a usable Hide is awful

[hollow prism]

Slag transfusion then is a good option but it takes your grenade slot

[swift sable]

no es siempre asi

[hollow prism]

Doesn't punchee have same damage as love thumper?

[swift sable]

but yes anyway

[peak ether]

[swift sable]

talking about axton again

i want to go back to having fun so please help me figure out where i can get the guns that wont keepgetting me killed

[peak ether]

Punchee is less dmg than Hide but you can actually get one you want

Respect your skills and grab Quick Charge

[real oracle]

purist, not puritan

[peak ether]

Axton has really good shield stuff

[hollow prism]

I think a good shield and a good transfusion would help a lot, and then just practicing good positioning, using your turrets for aggro relief, and enemy prioritization.

[hollow prism]

Yes that was the word I was looking for

[swift sable]

actually, technically both are true

to be a puritan is to believe oneself to be above others in morality and ethics

[hollow prism]

I mean yeah that's kind of what I was getting at

[swift sable]

so technically...

[hollow prism]

Use your tools

[swift sable]

where from

[swift sable]

i really cant aim

[peak ether]

Quick Charge exists

[swift sable]

thats why i picked the turret classes

[hollow prism]

You can get the shield from vending machine farming or world drop sources.

[peak ether]

All classes need to aim

[swift sable]

in sacrifice of longbow sounds rough though

[hollow prism]

Adaptive shields are really good too

[swift sable]

sure but bosses are big

[peak ether]

Yes even Gaige

[swift sable]

big groups are small

and theres lots of them

[peak ether]

Sacrifice left tree

For now

[swift sable]

no scorched earth?

[hollow prism]

You could also use a non-elemental resistance relic but might struggle for damage then.

[swift sable]

ouch there goes my dps

this better be worth it

[swift sable]

oh my relics dont buff my damage, not that lucky with drops lol

[peak ether]

Scorched Earth dmg drops off a cliff later on

[swift sable]

sure but right now

hold on

[hollow prism]

Assasinate the assasins... that's like, shortly after firehawk? Man I can't remember when it's unlocked

I thought at least one moxxi weapon was available atp...

[peak ether]

At the same time

[swift sable]

same time

[hollow prism]

The good touch? Yeah you can probably get that one.

[peak ether]

Good and Bad Touch

[swift sable]

where from

[hollow prism]

Yeah just thought of it

[peak ether]

Tipping Moxxi

[hollow prism]

If you're still struggling

[swift sable]

i am always struggling

[hollow prism]

They're also pretty good for damage so there's thst

[swift sable]

i do not usually suck at videogames

believe it or not

tip moxxi how much

[hollow prism]

You can get a fast ball from the firehawk quest line, it's a really good item for axton

[hollow prism]

Until you get the gun

[swift sable]

ah its random

[peak ether]

Random

[swift sable]

does tipping more at a time increase odds

[hollow prism]

Pretty sure it's like a random amount you have to tip

[peak ether]

*In Memorium

[hollow prism]

What

[swift sable]

urrrgh hold on

[hollow prism]

I thought fast ball was a dedicated drop from the firehawk cult leader

[peak ether]

The quest that unlocks the Fastball farm is In Memorium

It drops from Boll

Not Incinerator Clayton

[swift sable]

Does ASsassin Rouf have an issue with randomly disappearing from the game?

[peak ether]

Clayton drops the Pyrophobia

[hollow prism]

I-

WHY WAS I SO SURE IT WAS CLAYTON??

[peak ether]

Good question

[hollow prism]

Maybe I've seen a lot of world drop fast balls from him before

[peak ether]

I have never seen someone make that mistake

[hollow prism]

I'm an old man give me a break

💀

[swift sable]

assassinate the assassins done, resxpeccing now

[hollow prism]

Bruh

The lightning smg Wot drops (right, RIGHT?) is pretty decent.

It's not like, specifically good on axton but

[peak ether]

It's a gun

It shoots

[swift sable]

assassin wot?

google says that gun reeeks

i got it and sold it

it looks shiny though

[peak ether]

The Emperor or Commerce

[swift sable]

Commerce

[hollow prism]

Fr?

[peak ether]

Emperor is actually solid

[swift sable]

i sold commerce

[peak ether]

It literally has nothing special

[hollow prism]

I've heard the opposite, that the commerce is decent and the emperor is shit

[peak ether]

It straight up has no gimmicks or stat changes

It's just a blue Hyperion SMG and that's it

[peak ether]

Emperor is a solid SMG it's just bland and forgettable

And is in direct competition with the Sandhawk

[swift sable]

me when i make 3 misinputs in a row and have to resetmy skill tree three times LOL

[hollow prism]

I'm done believing what I read on the internet I'm playing with these guns meticulously and forming my own opinions

I clearly have gone senile and need a refresher

[swift sable]

here you go @peak ether

[peak ether]

Yeah that's fine

[swift sable]

so now what for gear again

tip moxxie and what else

[peak ether]

Dw I used to believe this shit too

[hollow prism]

Get a tanky shield

[swift sable]

kinda sucks that im gonna get to Double Up so late

because of this heavy survival investment

[peak ether]

Double Up is mainly important for Uvhm

[hollow prism]

It doesn't matter: survival is more of a priority. Can't deal damage if you're already dead.

[peak ether]

This early it's not too important

[swift sable]

bad touch down

[hollow prism]

That's like why you play axton anyways

[swift sable]

it doesnt look very good

[hollow prism]

Has 70% crit modifier and lifesteal from ALL sources. If you throw a big damage grenade, you'll basically heal to full. Etechs are garbage

Also get the fire one too

[swift sable]

good touch is next, im selling my junk for coins to give her

apparently this is canon too

[hollow prism]

Etechs have a really bad negative crit penalty

[swift sable]

axton stars in nudie mags with moxxie in bl3

from what ive been told

[steady jungle]

not all etechs lol

[swift sable]

that and the battle royale arena

[hollow prism]

I'm racist

[steady jungle]

oh

[hollow prism]

./j

[peak ether]

E Tech SMGs are amazing

Pistols are fine

[hollow prism]

Yeah they're pretty decent

[peak ether]

ARs are complete ass

[swift sable]

this a good enough shield

[hollow prism]

Pistols are dookie idk what you're talking about

Darts are SO bad

[peak ether]

I said fine

Not good

They're usable

[hollow prism]

I'd rather use like an actually good pistol

[peak ether]

Yes

[swift sable]

i think my proudest achievement in this game would have to be

[hollow prism]

Anarchist my beloved:

[peak ether]

But if you wanted to run an E Tech pistol it'll still work

[swift sable]

(and to preface, ive made it VERY clear i cant aim)

but to kill jack at the very end

i managed to whip out a 720 noscope sniper headshot second try

they both use the same ammo

I ALSO really hate scopes

too bad you can only get one gun per run, because the good touch has a 2.4x zoom

[hollow prism]

I have no idea what my best accomplishment in borderlands 2 is, but getting like... 20 MMF chain with Melee Zer0? Pretty epic

[swift sable]

@peak ether dont suppose i can get another one of thsese

[peak ether]

You can get infinite Good Touchs

[hollow prism]

It was in petes bar tbf so it was like not too impressive but still.

[swift sable]

no lo se

[peak ether]

Bad Touch is once per character

[swift sable]

ah

well my bad touch is good enough right

[hollow prism]

And when I say 20, I mean that as a realistic estimate. The floor was covered in bodies.

[hollow prism]

I don't have the stats memorized show us the gun model

[swift sable]

huh

[peak ether]

Dahl Grip

[swift sable]

what

[peak ether]

Not good

[hollow prism]

Dahl grip, F

[swift sable]

lemme alt f4

[peak ether]

No accessory either

[swift sable]

hold on

savescumming, the thing REAL champions do

[hollow prism]

Shit it can really spawn with no accessory?

[peak ether]

It's technically a blue

Not a purple

Iirc

[hollow prism]

I don't use SMGs I'm not as well versed in their parts

I know grips at least though

[hollow prism]

Maliwan is the weird loopy one.

[swift sable]

once per character my ass pandora LOL

ah hold on it saved on me dammit

lemme try again

apparently you can get TWO before dam fine rescue

okay hold on this is some annoying RNG

@peak ether how hard is it to get a good uhhh roll on this gun

i didnt know i had to be looking at the gun model

[peak ether]

All grips are weighted equal

[swift sable]

whats an accessory

[peak ether]

And there's 5 of them

2 of which are ideal

[peak ether]

Bonus part that offers further stats

[swift sable]

here, peep this one

[peak ether]

Hyperion Stock, Dahl Grip, Blade accessory

[swift sable]

bad

also, fun fact, its no longer called Mrs Moxies on the second one you get

[peak ether]

Normally purple rarity guns and higher have guaranteed accessories

But the Touches don't

[swift sable]

yeah ill reroll again

isnt it weird though that it isnt called Mrs Moxies

it was like Malificious

i get that its coded like a prefix but still

[peak ether]

Accessory prefixes have the highest priority if present

[swift sable]

ah

so Mrs Moxxies is bad to see then

[peak ether]

Followed by barrel

[swift sable]

so Blade = Malificious

lemme guess, dahl grip

[peak ether]

Iirc the priority order goes

1. Accessory
2. Barrel
3. Element
4. Grip

[swift sable]

is that just a guarunteed roll

[peak ether]

No

[swift sable]

so im just triply unlucky

[peak ether]

You just got unlucky

Maliwan and Bandit are the good grips

[swift sable]

0.8% chance fwiw

[peak ether]

Bandit because it has the best base stats Maliwan because matching grip bonus

[swift sable]

So is this what the game is like except for every other gun

and then you have to factor in like 2% drop rates

and annoying clear times for bosses

[peak ether]

Pretty much

[swift sable]

diabolical

fun game though

[swift sable]

which one of those is moxxie

[peak ether]

As a general rule of thumb you ideally want matching grip but if you can't you want the best base stat grips for the weapon type

[peak ether]

Barrel

[swift sable]

interesting

[peak ether]

Unique guns get all of their special traits and name from their unique barrels

[swift sable]

are the barrels what give the red word buffs

[peak ether]

Yes

[swift sable]

what about for grenades that are unique then

[peak ether]

They use unique payloads iirc

[hollow prism]

The barrel is fixed on unique weapons

Oh you said that

[swift sable]

7 resets in a row and we have seen 3 dahl grips and 4 copies of good touch

We love RNG

do my odds increase if i tip her like... slowly? or

do i have to wait fore the voicelines to end

[hollow prism]

Pretty sure it's actually

1. Barrel
2. Accessory
3. Grip
   Since element isn't a part 🤓

[hollow prism]

Honestly you wont be using it long enough to validate perfect parts

[peak ether]

Matching grip bonus refers to how if the manufacturer of the grip and the manufacturer of the gun match its reload speed and mag size is increased btw

[swift sable]

reload speed is big

[swift sable]

its a fast reset though

[hollow prism]

And if you get a different barrel well thats a different fucking gun lol

[swift sable]

we've been here for like 10 min utes right

[peak ether]

Element is a part and they have their own prefixs

[swift sable]

that isnt toooo bad surely

holy shit there actually is a clueless

high quality server

[hollow prism]

It's not a visible part though is it?

[peak ether]

Certain barrels even on non uniques have their own prefixs

[swift sable]

eleemnts change the color scheme dont they

[peak ether]

It is

[hollow prism]

Ykw I'm just going to shut the fuck up

[swift sable]

so it is visible

Like i had a lightning gun and a fire gun of the same gun

one was like white and blue, the other was red

[hollow prism]

I'm clearly in a subconsiously misinforming mood today

[swift sable]

okay so hold on

shes started to give me the good touch a LOT of times in a row

however, i have gotten the bad touch from her a second time in previous resets

what gives

is it random between the two

[hollow prism]

I've played broderlnqds 2 for like 11 fuckin years now and still don't know what the hell I'm talking about 💀

[peak ether]

Once you get a Bad Touch that character will only receive Good Touchs in the future

[swift sable]

incorrect

Before completing A Dam Fine Rescue, Moxxi can give a second Bad Touch.
After that, Moxxi will only give the Good Touch for the rest of the playthrough.

additionally, In co-op, Moxxi can award this weapon once per visit to Sanctuary. If enough subsequent tips are given to be awarded the Bad Touch (or Good Touch, it happens with both), she will give the award dialog and the tip jar will lock, but she will not start the animation of offering the weapon. Leaving and re-entering Sanctuary will fix this.

[eager laurel]

you can get bad touch again, it's just highly unlikely

[peak ether]

That came from the wiki so I'm already inclined to doubt it

[swift sable]

well

youve SEEN me get several bad touches after the first

so you know its possible

[eager laurel]

ll has the chance for it but i dont understand what they mean

[peak ether]

Anywho

[swift sable]

i mean you did see it right

im not losing my mind right

[swift sable]

like this was the third

[peak ether]

I just assumed you dashboarded or read only-ed

[hollow prism]

Just keep giving the woman money like a simp

[swift sable]

i have no idea what that means

[hollow prism]

That's what is really important here

[swift sable]

well i mean i got a bad grip and im not happy with that

[eager laurel]

for prefixes it's accessory, element, grip. there is no barrel prefix from what i know

[swift sable]

where does Mrs. Moxxies come from

[hollow prism]

No accessory

[eager laurel]

unique no accessory prefix

[swift sable]

so the absence of accessory is a prefix

that tracks

[eager laurel]

only for a unique gun, otherwise it will show the element / grip prefix

[swift sable]

this iss really starting to bother me

@peak ether when will i replace this gun and throw it out

[hollow prism]

Like 4 levels

[swift sable]

the less time i use it for the more i can justify having it suck

yeah alright ive gotten 12 good touches in a row

which is so bizzzare because i KNOW she can give the bad touch a second time

[peak ether]

^

[eager laurel]

it's just unlikely

[swift sable]

cool

dahl girp is completely irrelevant then

we ball

[peak ether]

4-5 lvls is when you should replace gear

[swift sable]

heres the good touch

[peak ether]

Any of the Moxxi related barrels

[peak ether]

Bandit Grip

[swift sable]

cool, taking

i totally forgot what i was gonna do after this

[peak ether]

You can also screenshot in the item inspect screen

[swift sable]

i spent so long alt f4ing

[swift sable]

habit from the fact i didnt want to risk it autosaving after picking up the bad touch

from now on thats the plan

so what was step two

step one was get these guns

and now what

[peak ether]

Bl2 gun parts are actually pretty easy to learn

[peak ether]

That Ravager

[swift sable]

what about it

[peak ether]

Bandit Grip

[swift sable]

its average at best unfortunately

its 3 levels old

[peak ether]

Ravagers are really good shotguns

Torgue Barrel on a Torgue shotgun

[eager laurel]

yeah they fuck hard

[swift sable]

https://tenor.com/view/beavis-butthead-beavisandbuttheadshow-gif-13367061995602198225

something something thats what she said

[swift sable]

yeah but it needs a replacement

[peak ether]

Unfortunate

[swift sable]

so i just

what now

i feel like there was a whole list of things i was supposed to do after the touches

[eager laurel]

relic

[peak ether]

You're still using the VH Relic

[eager laurel]

the vh relic isnt good

[swift sable]

get new relic where

[eager laurel]

anywhere

[peak ether]

That shit exists to get replaced at the first chance you get

[eager laurel]

chests usually

[swift sable]

no entiendo

😔

[languid pendant]

so I got this hornet, are these parts alright?

[peak ether]

Torgue Grip is decent

[swift sable]

am i really back to just resetting at the island for another hour

that was the wooorst

[peak ether]

Accessory is either accuracy which is a nothing burger or double which is shit

[languid pendant]

3.2x zoom

[eager laurel]

any hornet is fine, but ideally you want neutralizing, react or loaded prefix and dahl grip

[languid pendant]

and it's the floated hornet

oh

[eager laurel]

first what level are you

[peak ether]

So accuracy

[languid pendant]

gotcha

[peak ether]

Good

It's a usable roll

Twin is Double prefix

For Dahl pistols

[swift sable]

are there legendary relics

[peak ether]

Only one

[eager laurel]

one but it sucks

[peak ether]

And it's shit

[swift sable]

ive opened this chest to shitty blue sniper rifles like 3 times

is there a place with increased relic droprate

[peak ether]

Train?

[swift sable]

?

[peak ether]

Always has a few

[swift sable]

dont have lynchwood yet damn

[peak ether]

Marcus train from the headhunter

[eager laurel]

snowman train

[peak ether]

^

[swift sable]

hold on

[eager laurel]

you could also progress the story until Plan B and farm the quest reward

[swift sable]

newgame plus is so confusing

[swift sable]

oh im on plan B right now

farm how

[eager laurel]

check the mission log for it, does it show a blue relic as the reward

[peak ether]

The reward for it in tvhm and uvhm is a random relic

[swift sable]

yes

[eager laurel]

then you can farm that for something decent

[peak ether]

To replace the fact in normal mode it's reward was your third gun slot

[swift sable]

so is it another alt f4 moment or a save and quit moment

[eager laurel]

readonly

[languid pendant]

does the hornet deal more damage when ads?

[swift sable]

what

[peak ether]

Efficiency and Elemental artifacts are the most popular ones

[swift sable]

sounds like cheating

[eager laurel]

you can set your save file to read only meaning it doesnt save

[peak ether]

^

[swift sable]

so not cheating?

[eager laurel]

and farm the quest reward until you get what you want

[swift sable]

where is readonly

[eager laurel]

everyone does it, also it's a singleplayer game

[peak ether]

It's been normalized by the community

So no one gives a shit

[swift sable]

what about when bl4 comes out

[eager laurel]

right click save file and under properties should be read only, tick that

[swift sable]

does that work while the game is oppen or

[peak ether]

Bl3 you have zero reason to do it

[eager laurel]

yes

[peak ether]

So it's likely 4 will be the same

[swift sable]

hold on ill be back in a minute

Okay @eager laurel So run this by me again

Find the save file in my file explorer, properties, read only

Then what about when i find something i like

[peak ether]

Killer Six has a tutorial on how to do it

[eager laurel]

then you do the same but untick read only

and now your file can save

[peak ether]

Throw it into your stash

[eager laurel]

also yeah you can watch k6s guide

probably easier than me explaining

[swift sable]

link please

[peak ether]

The items in your stash are saved to your profile.bin save and not your individual character saves so it is unaffected by read only

[eager laurel]

https://youtu.be/6Lq3fKM514M?si=-WTdZFeueYT-LYlh

[swift sable]

So what about bl3 (and assumedly bl4) makes you not need that

[eager laurel]

You can also get an sdk mod that does it for you with a hotkey

makes it super easy

[eager laurel]

bl3 didnt have any good quest rewards except for Pearl of Ineffable Knowledge, so it wasn’t used much there

[swift sable]

neat

and what am i hoping for here

[eager laurel]

elemental relics usually

could do grenade stockpile if you’re doing a grenade build

[swift sable]

i dont get it

Specific elements

Or

[scenic briar]

Yeah, relics that boost single elements are important for total damage, since they provide a source of damage that's fairly rare in skill trees