bl1-2-tps-media

[eager laurel]

So, if you don’t kill vulcana you can farm minerva and helicon infinitely

Yeah I see where the issue came up, levin misinterpreted what zeta said

[stone isle]

These are bad?

[sharp lily]

I mean they're not bad but they're not max damage either. That one on the left is very tempting though

[eager laurel]

left is nice

[lofty flame]

Thats pill scope

[peak ether]

One on the left is actually a pretty good roll

[tawdry shell]

best sniper scope in the entire series

[peak ether]

I actually quite like it

[lofty flame]

Nuh uh Binary Rifle with the fuckin lasers that you can see from across the map

[stone isle]

I see on Lootlemon the best is ~500 damage. I'm preparing specifically for Crawmerax, if that puts this into better context.

[peak ether]

Don't pursue absolute perfection

[lofty flame]

I prefer the longer one that isn't the one the Cyclops uses

[tawdry shell]

yooo like like

https://www.halopedia.org/Z-750_binary_rifle

halo 4’s promethian weapons were fun

bolt shot is still dumb as shit in that game

[lofty flame]

I never got much into H4

[peak ether]

Also Loot Lemon's rolls aren't the only "god rolls"

Nor are they realistic to obtain

[stone isle]

I'm not going for perfection, but I am trying to get every edge I can. Like what should I be aiming for to oneshot the limbs, etc. I've never beaten a raid boss in Borderlands legit before, always cheesing normal mode or lowering OP/Mayhem levels.

[tawdry shell]

it’s 343’s best halo imo

[lofty flame]

I liked 5..... (the multiplayer/gunplay)

[tawdry shell]

armor design is a bit goofy but most of the game looks super cool and the gameplay is great, plus the campaign had a really nice story

[peak ether]

The one on the left is fine

[eager laurel]

What you have now should one shot

[tawdry shell]

i barely played it outside of the campaign

the MP was just too fast for me ig

[lofty flame]

I liked forge with the crazy weapon variants

And customs

[tawdry shell]

looks like it would’ve been hella fun if you learned all the abilities properly tho

[kind maple]

A double 20 of little importance

[peak ether]

Dramatic Enterance

Could also run less in Blackout

[tawdry shell]

hmmm

[peak ether]

https://www.lootlemon.com/class/lilith#_5055500_0505055_5505035

Smth like this

Last 5 points are a wildcard pick

[tawdry shell]

maybe i spread them out for com boosts or somthin

im playing with custom gear along side this so theres extra class mods and other items that might make be build a bit different

there's a class mod from the arsenal that's perfect for this and i want it so badly

this looks funny as shit

[peak ether]

Idk much about that stuff outside Hjb streams so

[tawdry shell]

fair

[peak ether]

The Hellsing reference

[tawdry shell]

i really wanna get uh

[peak ether]

Every com from that mod is a Hellsing reference and I love it

[tawdry shell]

damn i cant find the pic hold on

i wanna get a higher level version of this

it would refill during phasewalk cause it counted as health

it's so good

[trim hinge]

i remember having that

it spawned like these clone thingies

very silly

[tawdry shell]

oh wait it does more then just the skill boosts

the arsenal loot guide didn't list any extra details

[trim hinge]

yeah pretty sure all of the pearl coms have extra effects

unlisted

they are very overtuned

funny to see tho

[tawdry shell]

neat

i have a legendary com with some nice boosts

doesn't say it on the card but it has extra movement speed

[last plover]

is it bad that i always see montgomery jakobs as looking like this dude

[ionic flare]

Any good

[tawdry shell]

bl1 bee shield just dropped

(except it's not as annoying)

damn bruh

[last plover]

I don’t remember there being legendary shields in BL1, is that modded?

[tawdry shell]

it’s from the arsenal pack, massive bl1 loot mod

been in development for years

there’s legendary and pearl gear for every item type now, and i think at least 300 new unique pieces of gear?

it’s incredibly fun to play

there’s 2 other similar packs by the same dev(s?)
Vault Hunter Challenegs and Eridian Weapon Overall

VHC has a lot of different options, but its main idea is that it expands all the existing gear, making it to where every manufacturer makes every weapon type

EWO essentially evolves eridian gear to cover all item types (except class mods i don’t think) and actually makes them interesting to use

all 3 mods are incredibly fun

[sand bramble]

after 100 gruesome hours🥲

[worn lake]

Noice

[peak ether]

Arsenal is by Tha Camping Dutchman

EWO and VH Challenges is by Sleepmaster

[tawdry shell]

right, i get their stuff mixed up

[trim goblet]

gear in arid nexus boneyard. I am level 35, enemies level 28-30

[tawdry shell]

damn yeha you shouldn’t be struggling like at all idk man

[trim goblet]

is it bad gear?

[tawdry shell]

seems good to me, especially for normal mode

if your just in this spot for doing the main mission i dont think any mobbing is actually required

[smoky hound]

true freedom always comes at a price
this time i have to spend 15 €

[eager laurel]

that fixed it?

amazing gambit gearbox

[smoky hound]

season pass yes

not them

i sent a mail to them and they said they working on it

problem is only thing i have left is side quest

how do you reset a uvhm run?

[eager laurel]

?resetuvhm

[serene escarp]

https://gyazo.com/d17c7b37e69cbce7ca72fe6e2522f00e

[smoky hound]

thanks

ima do some side quest first tho

[narrow acorn]

help.

[eager laurel]

seek help

take the torgue grip one and stop farming

[shy jay]

Fr

[narrow acorn]

b-b-but dpuh :C

[eager laurel]

you dont need it

[narrow acorn]

you are absolutely not wrong

what I need more is a shock conference call but I haven't even gotten a legendary from warrior in 30 kills

[shy jay]

Then keep farming

[narrow acorn]

the dpuh farm was an attempt to make warrior a faster farm because it's quite annoying to have to deal with him going into the lava 37 times per kill

[scenic briar]

The ever so faithful Bee+ Lady Fist combo:

[shy jay]

Let that 1.25% drop chance fuel you and maybe the rng gods will bless you with a good roll

God I hate warriors drop rates

[narrow acorn]

wait is it seriously 1.25%

[shy jay]

Yep

[narrow acorn]

how do I manage to get legendaries from warrior so often on ps4 then wtf

[shy jay]

Just wait it gets worse

[eager laurel]

That’s just for the cc to drop, for a shock cc it’s 1/1120

[narrow acorn]

yeahhh let's not farm for a shock cc right now

[scenic briar]

It's 1.25% for conference call, because warrior has a bajillion mutually exclusive drops

[narrow acorn]

I'm only level 53

The cc was intended to farm norfleet so I could farm pete's bar

[scenic briar]

Norfleet is not good for Pete's bar, too much ammo consumed

[opal ingot]

on the non story kill

[opal ingot]

for this

[shy jay]

I wish crowded loot pools didn’t make certain items basically impossible to get without an insane time investment

[narrow acorn]

just use Logan's Gun

[civic salmon]

How does Ammo Shield work? I'm trying to get the Ammo Eater Challenge done. I had that Shield equipped and after killing 6 enemies, it haven't adsorbed any ammo, how does that Shield work? Is the drop chance low or anything or am I just doing something wrong?

[shy jay]

Instead of Norfleet use a Topneaa

[scenic briar]

Enemies have to hit YOU

?reading

[serene escarp]

If you’re a Borderlands player then odds are you don’t know how to read this.

[shy jay]

It’s just better

[civic salmon]

Oh I see, thanks pal. :D

[eager laurel]

How was shock cc going to get you a norfleet? Both norfleet sources are weak to fire

[narrow acorn]

Can I get a Topneaa from the golden chest in Sanctuary?

[eager laurel]

Yes

[shy jay]

Uhhhh if you’re reeeeallly lucky yea

[narrow acorn]

I'm playing Gaige, so I figured a shock build with shock cc would be more effective

[eager laurel]

Your best bet is the ffs launcher chest, if you dont have ffs then do snowman dlc

Shock gaige in 2025 💔

[shy jay]

Otherwise go farm snowman chest or the Lilith dlc launcher chest

[eager laurel]

Shock gaige isn’t real

You’re better off using the correct element

[narrow acorn]

My first time playing Gaige tbf. The original plan for this character was actually a deathtrap build

[shy jay]

Oof

[narrow acorn]

I watched a video where someone beat borderlands 2 with only deathtrap and promptly learned that's not a good idea.

[eager laurel]

You can make dt do good work on console but on pc he does no damage

[narrow acorn]

What's the difference between console and PC that changes his damage?

[eager laurel]

different pet scaling

Same with axtons turret

[scenic briar]

Deathtrap and axton turret have better scaling on console

[narrow acorn]

I see

[plucky flame]

jooooo has TPS actually started with weapon gimmicks?

[eager laurel]

what

[fluid gazelle]

just dropped random

is this good?

[eager laurel]

it’s just whatever

[fluid gazelle]

ok

[eager laurel]

if a cc doesn’t have an element, it’s not really worth keeping once it falls off

but it’ll be good for a little, especially against larger enemies

[fluid gazelle]

ook

is nice tho to see any legendary drop

i want a better sniper tho..i have a 39 lyuda but i have 50 almost and is kinda weak now

[tawdry shell]

what

[plucky flame]

nvm i just realized bl2 tediores already were grenades

[eager laurel]

bro forgot the WHOLE POINT of tediores

[severe stump]

Not Practicable tho

[plucky flame]

well i just played a lot of bl1 and to me no manufacturer really had a point until bl3

[midnight mesa]

I got this at my first try.

Is this a good cryo weapon for Aurelia?

[scenic briar]

It's A cryo gun, and she at least can boost bullet speed to help it out. Generally it's not great

[south pebble]

So I've been farming Crawmerax on BL1 and the strangest weapon just dropped

Apparently the 'five heads of death' and 'holy crap! It shoots rockets!' modifiers can roll on the same shotgun, and when they do it results in a rocket launcher 'shotgun' with pinpoint accuracy and a massive aoe

I would think this weapon is hacked if I didn't just see it drop from Crawmerax while solo farming

[tawdry shell]

yeah most shotguns can get the carnage barrel i think

[scenic briar]

The white text description is for the Carnage barrel, which not only can roll on all of the pump action shotgun legendaries, but overrides their projectile effects

[tawdry shell]

it’s the same thing with like legendary revolvers getting the masher barrel

[scenic briar]

So striker doesn't get its bonus crit, friendly fire/hydra don't fire in patterns, etc

[tawdry shell]

(except the masher one is a lot more useful)

[south pebble]

I know I've seen the carnage barrel on a few others before but doesn't it usually arc like the leviathan?

[tawdry shell]

no

[south pebble]

This one is basically a rocket sniper shotgun lol

[tawdry shell]

the only one that does is the jackal

[scenic briar]

That's only on the Jackal pearlescent

[tawdry shell]

which is a pearl

[south pebble]

Oh nvm

[tawdry shell]

jinx

[scenic briar]

So called 'free thinkers'

[south pebble]

Weird
I guess I just see the carnage barrel very rarely

At least rarely on anything worth using lol

[scenic briar]

It's everywhere in the gift shop

[tawdry shell]

enhanced gift shop anyways

[south pebble]

I pretty much just scan the gift shop for orange guns, eridian guns, COMs and reset each time

So
I know this isn't media strictly speaking but in the interest of obtaining more weapon screenshots to post

Does anyone know if there is any way to significantly boost pearlescent weapon drop rates as Lilith?

I know Mordecai has the one perk that works but Lilith afaik only has the +2 Find Rare Items from certain class mods which is either broken or does very little

resumes farming Crawmerax

[scenic briar]

+2 find rare items is from stuff like loot piles

[south pebble]

Yeah, I already swapped off that mod because it didn't seem to do anything to my drop rates and the find rare items COM had a relatively poor cooldown rate buff

drop rates from Crawmerax & the farmory, that is

[scenic briar]

Catalyst gets up to 30%, it's really good, especially for gift shop/armory farming

[south pebble]

I see no reason to ever unequip this haha

+9 Intuition is serious speed

[scenic briar]

Catalyst com my beloved

[peak ether]

*accessory

[tawdry shell]

[peak ether]

No

[tawdry shell]

[stone isle]

I didn't know I was playing BL3

[trail radish]

LET ME IN

LET ME IIIIIIIIIIIIN

legit only dropped a shitty flakker

[upbeat narwhal]

K

[sullen girder]

Are you in uvhm

And are you slagging enemies

[trail radish]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEw71DTJAQY

[tawdry shell]

swag

[tawdry shell]

getting nearly 30K per melee hit

sadly it seems the blade of the eridian weapon doesn't apply in phasewalk

the shart

[tawdry shell]

I GOT IT

[tawdry shell]

@peak ether look at this thing

i can make girl power valid for a phasewalk build

now inner glow and girl power just constantly regen both health and shield

[midnight mesa]

Ok, thanks

[tall surge]

why it +

[tawdry shell]

vault hunter challenges

[opal ingot]

hault

[tawdry shell]

all the gear from that mod has a + at the end so you know it's not a vanilla drop

[tall surge]

i thought it was cuz its a plague crux

[tawdry shell]

it's the one that makes every manufacture make every gun type

[tall surge]

and the + is a crux and- you get it

[tawdry shell]

https://tenor.com/view/chewing-while-performing-hand-exercises-gif-4114693469246322080

[tawdry shell]

oh my god shock cores heal me

this thing is insane

[tawdry shell]

wasn't even farming, just got a pretty good roll, it's a vanilla item as well

i think it's good anyways

nice fire rate and it's double so :p

[hardy moat]

finally popped my pearl virginity after around 40 craw kills.. I love BL1.

honestly if I knew Mordecai is the worst solo craw class I would've picked Lilith when i started this game

[peak ether]

Reverse Bloodletter

[peak ether]

Bleh parts

At least it has barrel 5

[clear halo]

The next logical step is a nemesis invader

[eager laurel]

why do you think he’s the worst? I’m pretty sure he’s second fastest

[tawdry shell]

yeah him and lilith the 2 best classes for craw lol

[sullen girder]

Afaik if you get good enough. Mordy has the fastest craw kill

Lilith just has a "I FUCKED UP" button

[eager laurel]

Nah there’s no way he has enough movement speed to get the back before lilith

lilith can get all the front and phasejump for the back

[sullen girder]

Hm

@peak ether ?

[stone isle]

So if the gift shop red chests were "buffed" in Enhanced, does that mean the gift shop in non-Enhanced is worse if you're just going after legendaries? How does the non-Enhanced gift shop, Enhanced gift shop, non-Enhanced Armory, and Enhanced Armory red chests all compare to each other?

[peak ether]

https://youtu.be/hB37TbKy5lc?si=n8I6NQ5mEuXZdtbz

[peak ether]

@hardy moat Brick is the worst character for Craw

[stone isle]

I was gonna say grenade jumping might be involved

[scenic briar]

Enhanced gift shop has ridiculous drop rates (which actually results in a lot of thumpers, carnages, and eridians because of how their drop values are), and enhanced armory has "better than any chests in non-enhanced" drop rates, but are still kinda whatever.

For base game stuff, enhanced gift shop, for dlc stuff, craw (or enhanced armory for way slower, guaranteed runs)

[peak ether]

Best is personal preference between Lil and Mordy

Roland is fine but slower than Lil and Mord

[fluid gazelle]

how is this ?

[trim hinge]

very good one

[fluid gazelle]

how do i check what is good and what not on a weapon ?

[scenic briar]

If you want to be COMPLETELY sure, then there are websites that go over which parts and accessories do what. It's a lot, but if you start remembering names/part shapes, you get an idea of what's good over time

[sullen girder]

?parts

[serene escarp]

Bl1 Part Visual Charts

https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/Gun_Component_Charts
BL2 & TPS Parts
https://bl2.parts/

[sullen girder]

Matching grip: Going to be the best 99% of the time

Matching grip is just "grip matches manufacturer" so Dahl on Hornet

Matching. Bandit. And Vladof grip are great on almost all guns

[fluid gazelle]

So mine is Dahl grip?

[sullen girder]

Bandit

You want Dahl grip ideally because of matching grip bonuses

But Bandit is 2nd best

[fluid gazelle]

Ok so the most important is the Grip on a weapon right ?then after what should i look ?

[trim hinge]

grip then accessory

usually

[fluid gazelle]

And for accessory there is an option on average for the weapons? Or is super specific with each one?

[trim hinge]

i mean, damage, fire rate

cant go wrong with those

[sullen girder]

Double is pretty overrated

[sullen girder]

And Mag. Mag size is good

[trim hinge]

truetrue

[sullen girder]

Stock only really matters on Dahl guns.

All parts matter on a launcher

Oh and shotguns you always go Vertical Grip. Don't think theres a shotgun where that isn't the best accessory

[eager laurel]

damage / fire rate / mag accessory on most guns
Vertical grip / critical damage accessory on shotguns

[sullen girder]

Oh yeah High Pellet jakobs like quads go crit

Unless its Twister

Then you yo vgrip for the fire rate

[eager laurel]

vgrip is just busted

[scenic briar]

Evil accessory

[fluid gazelle]

So the prefix of a weapon , that means something?

[eager laurel]

accessory denotes what prefix you get.
Prefix is just an easy way to know what accessory you have

[scenic briar]

In 2 and TPS, yes

[sullen girder]

React on Hornet is... reload speed iirc

[fluid gazelle]

How can u say what that means ? :)) guys there is a lottt

[eager laurel]

It’s fire rate no?

[sullen girder]

@fluid gazelle

[peak ether]

Unless it's Jakobs

[sullen girder]

Yeah Fire rate

[sullen girder]

Corrected myself Ameko

[peak ether]

Zzz

[eager laurel]

Click the little drop down below accessories to see the prefixes https://bl2.parts/pistols/#accessories

[tawdry shell]

first time i've seen one of these that ain't a thumper

the new thumpers are busted tho

[eager laurel]

thumper anarchy?

that would definitely be a gun of all time

[sullen girder]

Thats a Bruiser Anarchy tho

[tawdry shell]

nah i meant a jakobs smg

[sullen girder]

Oh wait what

[tawdry shell]

all the ones i’ve found were thumpers

[sullen girder]

Oh

[tawdry shell]

the thumpers in VHC have crazy damage boosts

[fluid gazelle]

Says dahl for “react” that means is a dahl accessory?

[tawdry shell]

i’ll try to get a pic of a good one if i find it

[sullen girder]

No

Look at what React is under

Then look above the list, and see what that thing does

[tawdry shell]

lol

they just have insane damage now

found this thingy too :3

[trim hinge]

how do those items be dropping in the wild

the manu mod items

[fluid gazelle]

I understand vertically but u have horizontal where says Dahl

[sullen girder]

The names mean nothing. It changes based on manufacturer

React and Dynamic have the exact same bonus, just one for Dahl, one for Hyperion

[tawdry shell]

vanilla loot pools can be edited now cause of the whole editable basemaps thing

[trim hinge]

woa

thats sick

[peak ether]

Oh no bone 2.0

[eager laurel]

the manufacturer has a different name for the same accessory, to fit the theme of their weapons

[sullen girder]

Dahl is tactical
Bandits misspell stuff
Tediore is basic
Hyperion has class

[peak ether]

Vladof is Slavic slang iirc

[sullen girder]

They are the russian company

Patriot
Unending
Dva
Purging

[tawdry shell]

DAMN

[trim hinge]

thats a fun one

[tawdry shell]

i wonder if there’s any like legendary fire rate relic

that’d go insane with this thing

[cunning sable]

Is that a mod

[tawdry shell]

yeha it’s a gun from the arsenal

i don’t realize this thing works like a chopper lmao

[opal ingot]

where damage

[cunning sable]

Eatid

[hardy moat]

reddit says lilith>>>roland>brick>mordecai.

lilith always has enough time to go around the back of craw and hit the back spots, roland can use turret to draw aggro but not a guarantee like lilith, brick can try to do the same or make craw turn back after firing just because he has health to tank craw spores, mordecai has nothing

[tawdry shell]

first issue is your listening to reddit lol

roland and brick have other alternatives for getting around craw yeah

but mordecai literally just kills him quicker

[tawdry shell]

it’s a little over 230 something i think

[opal ingot]

i sarcastically asked my question cuz that's just my quote
but good to know

[hardy moat]

because of his sniper mod right?

it's less time consuming and consumes less ammo but the difficulty itself is higher imo

because of the back

[tawdry shell]

pistol com

gunslinger boosts pistol damage and crit, combined with mordi already having really good reload speed and stuff like gun crazy he can just one tap each of craw’s crit spots

[peak ether]

Reddit is Reddit

[tawdry shell]

evident by this (i think he misses some shots on the eye however)

[peak ether]

Gun Crazy with a Masher

Preferably a Masher Unforgiven

[hardy moat]

also the minions are more aggressive in goty enhanced, you can't replicate this in gotye

[peak ether]

? They aren't

Why would they be

[tawdry shell]

gun crazy is such a funny skill

[tawdry shell]

i think he just got lucky that none rushed him in this vid

[peak ether]

It doesn't boost dmg as a passive

^

[tawdry shell]

jumping a lot helps a lot too

[tawdry shell]

damn am i tweaking

oh i AM tweaking its fire rate

[peak ether]

Kills this fast take a lot of skill and luck

[tawdry shell]

dunno where i got the damage boost from whoops

[peak ether]

It boosts Deadly and Relentless which are dmg skills but not pistol specific

But as someone who kills Craw as every character Mordecai is nowhere near the worst

[tawdry shell]

i still hate that it randomly boosts loaded

one of the mods i used changed it to boost hair trigger

[peak ether]

The reason Brick is the worst in my experience is because the fight is setup in a way where he just can't use most of his strengths

Brick's biggest strengths are his massive explosive boosting class mod and strong kill skills

Which is where the problem comes from

None of the best Craw killing guns are explosive

And kill skills aren't free like they are when mobbing

The melee part of his kit is also useless

So there goes his best way of getting health back

Craw is an up hill battle for Brick

[tawdry shell]

just punch him

[opal ingot]

just merge three silent nights on an unforgiven masher

[tawdry shell]

just use a stock combat shotgun

[sharp lily]

Just use a reaper pistol

[autumn matrix]

whats the fastest way to level up in BL2?

[serene escarp]

Common XP farming spots

• Rabid Skags - Arid Nexus Badlands, max 15 skags around the first area near the fast travels. Good for krieg with a bloodsplosion build.
• Ancient Dragons - Specifically good for Salvador due to being able to speed kill them.
• Mick Zaford - At the end of the Clan Wars questline. The easiest farm, and drops the Maggie to make farming easier. Generally good farm on PC with fast load times.
• Mutated Badass Varkids - Have to have the Mighty Morphin quest active, and make sure you don't complete it.
• Saturn - if you can get enough damage to make it consistent. Can be used to cap off a run of the rabid skags as well.
• Uranus - Easy legendaries while farming.

[autumn matrix]

uhh...im a..level 17 zero

anything for that?oh wait....oh...thats a bot

wait THERE ARE DRAGONS IN THIS GAME?!

[umbral loom]

what kind of build?

[autumn matrix]

wdym?

[umbral loom]

yes tina DLC

[umbral loom]

what kind of build are you going for on Zero.

[autumn matrix]

like..my stats or my weapons?

[umbral loom]

like are you going for melee or sniper?

[autumn matrix]

im..im using mixed,like shottys,ARs,pistols,sniper too but i need that the least usually

i also got a rocket launcher

4k damage

[umbral loom]

oh ok so it's a casual run.

[autumn matrix]

is that a bad thing?

[umbral loom]

no

it's just most people usually have a certain build in mind when they play.

[autumn matrix]

i just unlocked fourth weapon slot i have a.. filled canon 247 damage,gentle shotgun supreme 55x19 damage 4 ammo per shot a 261 damage diaub sniper altho i have a 300 damage sniper for level 18,and i just equipped the 4K damage rocket launcher

[umbral loom]

is this like your first time playing?

[autumn matrix]

dormant turtle shield 726 armor and -133 hp,rubberized slag gernade around 800 damage

[autumn matrix]

yea

[umbral loom]

oh ok

[autumn matrix]

so uhm...you..got any tips?

[umbral loom]

don't play zero unless you enjoy either melee or sniping. His health pool is lower than the other 3.

Maya and Axton are way more newb friendly.

and far more forgiving when you make a mistake.

[autumn matrix]

i just picked him bc he looked the coolest,plus i don't think i can just restart everything,

[umbral loom]

I mean you can

but it's up to you

[autumn matrix]

yeah but...what about the progress on the story?

[umbral loom]

as long as you have decent gear, you should be fine.

[umbral loom]

You will have to replay a good chunk depending on how far in you are.

my suggestion is once you're done with NVHM, go try out Axton or Maya.

this way you can do a second playthrough with a better idea of what you're going for.

[autumn matrix]

NVHM?

[umbral loom]

normal mode

[autumn matrix]

your tips sounds very newbie friendly...except my plan is to just beat the game,kill handsome jack and start another one,possibly the one about tiny tina's made up story

[umbral loom]

that's sort of what I just said.

finish the story, then do a new playthrough on a different class.

[autumn matrix]

ooooohhhh...why tho?isn't it the same story diffrent character?

[umbral loom]

no

it's just to experience the game with a different set of skills.

[autumn matrix]

i only care about the story ngl

[eager laurel]

then just stick with one

[umbral loom]

cause the game goes like this:

you start on NVMH > You beat NVMH and unlock TVHM (true vault hunter mode) > then if you beat TVHM you unlock UVHM (ultimate Vault hunter mode)

[umbral loom]

I mean stick with 1 if you want to just do the story.

cause NVHM Is super easy.

[autumn matrix]

for the true ending?

[umbral loom]

there's no "true ending"

[smoky hound]

The story is the same

Js harder stuff

[umbral loom]

NVHM goes from level 1 to 30. TVHM is 31-50 and UVHM is 51-80.

But I don't wanna talk too much about UVHM.

[autumn matrix]

the normal mode is hard enough for me already...especially the badass gunloaders

[umbral loom]

that mode is kind of a nightmare for new players.

hell, even a nightmare for experienced players.

[autumn matrix]

and the wilbherm or whatever bossfight...

[umbral loom]

wilhelm is easy

[autumn matrix]

that made me struggle

[umbral loom]

esp if you do that side quest with tiny tina

she gives you a corrosive pistol

[autumn matrix]

that means im dumb...

[smoky hound]

You saw Saturn yet?

[autumn matrix]

how much damage does it do?

[umbral loom]

it's a dahl pistol

it's burst fire during ADS

just spam that pistol on him and he'll die in no time.

[trim hinge]

its a baby hornet

like deadass

[smoky hound]

Teapot?

[autumn matrix]

WHAT THE HELL IS THAT DAMAGE?!

[umbral loom]

yeah I was talking about teapot

[smoky hound]

That ain't normal mode

[umbral loom]

that's OP levels. Once you hit level 80 you can push the game to give you up to level 90 enemies even if you can't go past 80.

[smoky hound]

Numbers keep rising the more you progress

[umbral loom]

they will drop better loot but be harder to kill

[trim hinge]

the loot is the exact same lol

[umbral loom]

it doesn't go higher in OP levels?

[trim hinge]

only thing op levels does is make the game harder

[trim hinge]

no

[umbral loom]

oh

I've never made it to 80 so I have no idea. lmao

[trim hinge]

used to back in the past before ffs level cap

[stone isle]

The levels of the gear go up, but drop chances are unaffected.

[umbral loom]

I usually stop after like 50 or 60

[trim hinge]

but now op levels give you nothing

[umbral loom]

some. Certain things go up if you have a party of 4.

[stone isle]

wrt op levels

the thing we were talking about

i give up

[umbral loom]

I was talking about chubby/tubby chances going up.

[stone isle]

fuck me for trying to help

[umbral loom]

sorry my bad

[trim hinge]

they dont

used to but not anymore

[umbral loom]

oh...

[eager laurel]

they increase until lvl80

[smoky hound]

Only at 80+ I believe not op

[stone isle]

no, you don't apologize. i'm the idiot moron that shouls apologize for existing

[trim hinge]

back in the days they would increase up to op8

but now after the ffs dlc they are capped at level 80

[umbral loom]

why would they unpatch it?

[trim hinge]

they didnt

they just forgot to update it

probably

[umbral loom]

lmao

[trim hinge]

level 72 op8

[stone isle]

Double Anarchy (x4) vs purple masher (x7)

I'm ready for the fake screenshot accusations.

[eager laurel]

the damage numbers get clumped together because they hit at almost the same location

that's just how bl1 does it

[umbral loom]

why would you use an SMG and revolver against rakk hive? Just shoot him with a shotgun.

[eager laurel]

you're better off counting bullet holes on a wall or mathing it out

remove all skills and class mod, hit a body shot with all pellets and it should say 2,730 for the revolver

[stone isle]

It was to have a large target to show that the DA has pellets with "x4" on the card but the masher has no pellets with "x7" on the card.

But I guess I'm lying

[eager laurel]

@stone isle try this

or just count the pellets

[stone isle]

I am

One, two, three.

One.

[eager laurel]

those are not the pellets, those are the damage number

shoot a wall and look at the amount of bullet holes

[stone isle]

Each pellet should get a damage number. Or am I being too stupid to open a door that says "pull?"

[eager laurel]

^

bl1 clumps hits together into one number, pretty sure bl2 does this as well with shotguns

[stone isle]

So the DA actually has 10 pellets?

[eager laurel]

anarchy has 4, masher has 7

[stone isle]

Then why would the damage indicate it has 10 when I only shot once?

If what you said was true

[eager laurel]

are you going off the damage number? you still have skills and the class mod which increase your damage

[stone isle]

If 400 is the base, then 400x5=2000 and 400x4=1600 which is about what the other two numbers are. 1+5+4=10

[eager laurel]

where did you get x5 from

[stone isle]

400 base damage, as the smallest number in the screenshot, is one pellet

400 damage times 5 pellets equals about 2000, which is about the second number in the screenshot

[eager laurel]

which gun are you mathing this for?

[stone isle]

400 damage times four pellets equals 1600, which is about the third number in the screenshot

[eager laurel]

the revolver only shows 4264

which is about ten times base which can be accounted for by your skills

[stone isle]

I'm looking at the DA screenshot by itself.

[trim hinge]

vro

this is so funny

[stone isle]

If the smallest number in the screenshot is one pellet, that means one pellet is about 400 damage.

[eager laurel]

470x4 is 1880

you shot twice

[stone isle]

Look at my ammo.

I shot once.

[eager laurel]

am i supposed to know your mag size

[stone isle]

I knew it.

You caught me, I faked/cheated the screenshots.

[eager laurel]

it checks out as if you shot twice, one number is 1880 which is one shot.
the other two numbers add up to 1880

[stone isle]

That's not really a Masher, either. It's a level 1 pistol.

[trim hinge]

true

7/10 ragebait ngl

[trim hinge]

no damage

u stink

[stone isle]

I've been trying to find a video of someone reputable using a Masher vs Craw with a clear-ish damage number

[eager laurel]

what for

[stone isle]

You can see one number on the limb

And it's at a distance so if it had pellets it should spread

[eager laurel]

that shit is NOT legible

[stone isle]

You can tell there's only one number though

[trim hinge]

we cant tell shit brodie

[stone isle]

https://youtu.be/v4oX_mMEqUA?si=jlk7VmbZx7cD1aTd&t=97

[trim hinge]

cant say im surprised its from that channel

[stone isle]

It's the first one I found using a masher v craw.

In motion it's even clearer there's only one number.

[eager laurel]

4909 yeah it's only one number so what

[stone isle]

So...

That was my original question.

[trim hinge]

this is engagement baiting

no sir

not happenin

no sir

[stone isle]

I'm asking a question. I'm trying to learn the game.

[eager laurel]

My question is: The "x7" on guns means pellets, right?

the gun still shoots 7 projectiles, instead of cluttering the screen with 7 numbers, it clumps them together

[mellow cove]

vi you should listen to the voices

[stone isle]

"Does the 'xX' on weapon cards mean pellets?"

[trim hinge]

im listening to gojira rn

very fiye band

[stone isle]

If they do then why do some weapons display the pellets and some don't?

[eager laurel]

i was listening lingua ignota at work

[mellow cove]

you can not escape ther voices in ur head

[eager laurel]

caligula and then the 2021 album too

[trim hinge]

at work is diabolical

bro listening to butcher of the world at work

☠️

[eager laurel]

sorry i meant w+rk

[eager laurel]

shit's gas

[trim hinge]

i mean it is but damn

[eager laurel]

not like it was on speaker, i had my pods all up in my ears

[trim hinge]

fasho

[stone isle]

I guess that's the end of that, then.

[eager laurel]

correct

[stone isle]

Sorry for asking a stupid question.

[eager laurel]

apology accepted

[violet patrol]

dude

[smoky hound]

You don't do that when nobody is watching*

?

[sharp lily]

I wake up T-posing

[sharp lily]

Yes

[sharp lily]

On the item card? If there are multi pellets then they are always shown....not sure what you mean.

If multiple pellets hit the same target from the same source/shot....I BELIEVE they are always aggregated and displayed as a single number. At least in BL1 and 2/TPS I believe 3/WL works the same way as well though.

That's just how 'Lands games have always worked pretty sure

[tawdry shell]

gaming

this is so weird to look at lmao

1 number off

[sharp lily]

What the heck kinda mod is this?

[tawdry shell]

ultimate loot mod, it’s a mash up of 3 other mods

what your looking at here is a weapon from vault hunter challenges

main gimmick of that mod is that every manufacturer can make every weapon type

[sharp lily]

Crazy!

[trim hinge]

its a very good mod

am a fan

[tawdry shell]

i think my favorite part of all this stuff being combined is the scale of it all

like bl1’s gameplay is kinda reliant on the whole randomness aspect of the loot

so with having this much gear be possible almost every playthrough your gonna be running some new items

damn i find new chests every time i play this game

theres this white chest where the left badass lance spawns near the armory entrance

[trim hinge]

i remember that one

[tawdry shell]

damn that's pretty

forgot steam has a rcording feature

this thing is sick

this one isn't even a unique

im flooding this chat with random loot pics

my bad lol

first pearl for today

no clue what this is meant to do after testing it

[trim hinge]

i remember it being pretty bad

[tawdry shell]

hell yeah

no +5 tho :(

i think thats a good one

[trim hinge]

holy dps

[tawdry shell]

i remember this thing in bl2 reborn lol

[fluid gazelle]

what is an IED booster?

[zinc gyro]

Explosives

It can and will kill you

[fluid gazelle]

so is bad shield 😄

[zinc gyro]

Well no but actualy yes

[fluid gazelle]

how about Impaler is better than bee?

[sullen girder]

Almost everything is better than the Bee as an actual shield

The only ones that aren't, are like... Whisky Tango and Cradle

[fluid gazelle]

But The bee if u can avoid damage and you are skillful does a lot of amp damage

[sullen girder]

Which you can't unless you're like. Axton

Too many enemies. Avoiding gun fire is actually impossible

[fluid gazelle]

Kinda true

[peak ether]

Borderlands isn't a "just don't get hit 5head game"

You can try as hard as you can

You aren't getting through gunfights w/o getting hit by at least one bullet

[worn lake]

B shield works surprisingly well on maya aswell but you need to play rather defensively

[sullen girder]

Axton is the best user of it

Maya yeah i can see it

But you don't need it for mobbing

[cunning sable]

Wdym i play all my games like its Ror2 and it works out about 48.72% of the time

[tall surge]

@stone isle they are as different as it gets

[stone isle]

They all look black to me in every video I've watched.

[worn lake]

Crawmaggots are the most annoying imo

[tall surge]

what about in-game

[worn lake]

Is bro colorblind

💀

[stone isle]

It just looks brown to me.

Same withj this one

[opal ingot]

that one's weak to shock

[stone isle]

They all look the same.

[opal ingot]

those are both the same

[stone isle]

So does it only spawn one type at a time?

[opal ingot]

no

[peak ether]

There can be a max of 3

But it doesn't have any set rules on how those 3 spawn slots are divided up

[stone isle]

Another

[tall surge]

that is still the same one

[peak ether]

You can have 1 of each

2 of one and 1 of another

Or 3 of the same

[tall surge]

that is still the same one

[peak ether]

These are literally all the exact same enemy

[stone isle]

Is he running a mod that only makes one type spawn?

[peak ether]

You are grasping at straws here

[peak ether]

Bad luck

Is what

[stone isle]

There's supposedly three types but every one is the same.

[peak ether]

Bad luck

[tall surge]

why dont you just go in-game and fight craw yourself instead of looking at videos

[worn lake]

Lmao

[stone isle]

lol

[fleet flint]

dapper as FUCKKK

[stone isle]

First, I'm too stupid to open a door. Second, I don't have the gear yet.

[tawdry shell]

i know a way to get even cooler combos

https://www.nexusmods.com/borderlands2/mods/132

goated mod

[tall surge]

[tawdry shell]

the skins are a nightmare to sort though but the heads are fun

there’s a lot of cool ones that fit zero

[open magnet]

I hate the Craw Maggot. He just keeps knocking me off the arena if I don't kill him fast enough.

[open magnet]

Face of a man who sniffs nothing but gorilla glue.

[scenic briar]

Bro looks like he's being held together by gorilla glue

[tawdry shell]

close to the worst combo i’ve made

[open magnet]

Beautiful.

[autumn ledge]

@eager laurel Here's the screenshots. 79% base on the left, with bonuses at 100% on the right.

[eager laurel]

i didnt think 100 was possible on card but that is cool

[autumn ledge]

I mean, 100% is still highly unlikely in the base game, I guess. I don't have enough experience to say. And I've never seen a weapon with such an incredibly high effect chance.

[eager laurel]

im just used to never speccing the elemental effect skills because they stink compared to other skills most of the time

[autumn ledge]

I'm playing Maya as an elemental wrecking ball.

Cataclysm all the way up.

[eager laurel]

pretty sure a maliwan barrel matching grip snider (the gun you have) is the highest card chance

[peak ether]

Yeah it is

[autumn ledge]

Very nice. I got lucky. And I don't even remember where I got it, whether it was a drop or a purchase. I know I'd had it in the safe and had been using a fire element sniper rifle before deciding to give slag a try.
And it was truly a "HOLY CRAP" moment.

I think with Maya's Flicker at 30%, plus a decent enough Badass bonus, any elemental chance on a weapon at 75% or above will top you out at 100%.

[eager laurel]

pretty sure nothing else is above 70

just the perfect snider

[autumn ledge]

I can't remember if there's any class mods or relics that increase elemental chance, because I'm kind of locked into a shields buff and +4 Ward on the former, and and 18.6% cooldown bonus on my Phaselock.

[smoky hound]

Doesn't Terra class mods increase fire?
Or you trying it for slag

Nvm that's slag

[leaden stag]

Cool, never do it again

[lofty flame]

Memes go in #claptraps-secret-stash btw

[umbral loom]

ok

[eager laurel]

you arent corn anymore??

[lofty flame]

Not in pfp anymore

[eager laurel]

heartbreaking

[lofty flame]

Im still in essence

[opal ingot]

where corn

[lofty flame]

Vacation

[zinc gyro]

Hyperius the Invincible

[scenic briar]

Just ran something I've never seen before. Did you know the loaders spawned after you kill Felicity Rampant in the story STEAL THE GUNS SHE DROPS?

[lofty flame]

Yeah it so neat

Until they steal a fucking Machine

[scenic briar]

I usually just bolt it to concordia, that's both very cool and kinda scary

[stone isle]

I wonder how you were able to tell that this mod didn't have ammo regen without testing it.

[eager laurel]

the material

Once you’ve seen enough of the same brand com, you learn which material is which

[stone isle]

I don't know what that means

[peak ether]

The skin

[eager laurel]

Ameko knows which material has regen, and since seeing that your com didn’t have this material they knew your com doesn’t have regen

[peak ether]

That's how

The material is the item skin part and on class mods it's what determines what its second passive is

[stone isle]

I looked it up on Lootlemon because that was my theory, but it looks the exact same as the one that I got.

[peak ether]

The hyperion class mod materials look extremely similar

So I don't blame you

I used to fail to notice which one was which

[stone isle]

they look the same

[flint swallow]

think today is going to be a bl1 day

[eager laurel]

The colour and shine is different

[stone isle]

I mean the first is from Lootlemon, presumably a screenshot from Enhanced. I'm playing original.

Like these are both Tempests and very obviously different.

[tawdry shell]

if you want to like absolutely make sure your not missing the regen part, there’s i think both a mod and a way to edit an ini file to make text font smaller? letting more lines show up

[stone isle]

I just fire the gun. I was just confused on how Ameko was able to tell without testing it.

[eager laurel]

a simpler way to learn materials is to check the wear on the skin, mat 1 is most worn, mat 2 is slight wear, mat 3 is freshly painted

[tawdry shell]

i simply don’t learn item parts and hope whatever i get is cool

[fleet flint]

i’m real asf for this and you know it

[trim hinge]

this server is pg 13 btw

just fyi

[tawdry shell]

so close to 4

[trim hinge]

that an atlas smg?

[peak ether]

Top one is a darker red

[peak ether]

Because I've seen so fucking many that I can tell

[tawdry shell]

the purple one yea

i think it was a stinger

[trim hinge]

hell yeah

[stone isle]

Sorry

[peak ether]

Just going to show these

[stone isle]

Sorry

[peak ether]

I've played a lot of this game

[stone isle]

I wasn't saying that

[peak ether]

And most of those Liliths have ammo regen Specters

[tawdry shell]

now you need to do 5 blitz playthroughs when you get a pc

[peak ether]

Not into mods

[stone isle]

I wasn't doubting your ability. I was wondering what criteria you used to identify how they were different.

Sorry

[peak ether]

Oh

Like I said I don't blame you

Hyperion materials on class mods are by far the hardest to spot the difference in

It's usually pretty obvious

Jakobs might be a runner up

Because Jakobs mat 1 and 2 are somewhat similar

The difference is in the color of the metal

Mat 1 is a very dark grey

While mat 2 is a lightish grey

Mat 3 is obvious tho because it's a gold color

[tawdry shell]

not even like bug fix stuff

[peak ether]

Mods use Disposal on him

[peak ether]

Not even

[tawdry shell]

speaking of mods

this thing is so funny

it doesn't seem to work on knoxx though :(

[peak ether]

Does it do what I think it does

[tawdry shell]

when i throw it the enemies disappear entirely

[peak ether]

[tawdry shell]

they get flung into the air so quickly you don't even see it

[peak ether]

They get sent to the Backstreets

[tawdry shell]

the only reason you can still tell they aren't dead is the tiny red dot and being able to melee them if you stand underneath where they were

crazy ass fire rate for an anarchy

i wonder how high stingers get for vladof

[peak ether]

Vladof SMG just sounds so right

[tawdry shell]

hell yeah

[peak ether]

Shut the fuck up Steve

[shy jay]

Ayo!

[tawdry shell]

man the new eridian gear looks so damn cool

sadly none of these had the shiny rock material :p

still sick tho

[scenic briar]

The car grenade is the funniest by far

[shy jay]

Noice

[tired forge]

yeah

[silver heath]

w

[tired forge]

got a luh upgrade 😈 🔥

[vast yarrow]

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-huh-m4rtin-huh-huh-meme-what-cat-gif-5834484041415217257

how...

[tawdry shell]

nice fire rate for a X3

[vast yarrow]

the- what.

who wanna play TPS?

[tawdry shell]

first pearl com and it's not for me :(

[vast yarrow]

You poor, unfortunate soul

[eager laurel]

Save editing fail

[vast yarrow]

happens

but bro really got the bodiless gun

[tawdry shell]

just got the same one with 100 more damage lol

might be a fun craw killing weapon

[vast yarrow]

Crawmerax was HARD AF to kill

[shrewd sandal]

can u get bl 1 for free?

[vast yarrow]

I don't think so... Why would they do that?

[knotty lynx]

“stick em up” ahh salvador

[midnight mesa]

Wanna pat his head

[peak ether]

Wasn't expecting that

[fluid gazelle]

it is good for parts?

[trim hinge]

awful

[peak ether]

Dahl grip is unideal

[tired forge]

dp is a pretty bad accessory unless you’re doing grog dp sal, Dahl is accuracy so shit, overall pretty bad

also tediore sight is just ugly

[fluid gazelle]

i farmed this one so hard.. i wanted a dp why u say is bad if is dp ?

[eager laurel]

waste of ammo

[tired forge]

x2 weapons split bonus damages and things like overkill so they’re usually not that good and they cost too much ammo

Crammed or Intense are the preferred Harolds I think

[eager laurel]

but it’s still a harold, don’t worry about the parts until max tbh

[tired forge]

Trvke

[fluid gazelle]

thanks

[tired forge]

If you want a bigger scope on pistol parts in general, tediore, Hyperion, bandit, and Dahl groups are usually not that good unless they’re on pistols of the same manufacturer, x2 laser takes too much ammo and splits bonus damage skills in half, scopes usually don’t matter that much, and tediore barrel does nothing

Oh also bayonets actually decrease Krieg’s melee damage until a much higher level so they’re not worth using on him pretty much at all (except rapier)

[fluid gazelle]

man i dont even know at what i am looking, im a noobie still. I just made it at 3rd stage now and i need to farm some weapons. It still does a lot of damage at my curent lvl

[tired forge]

But that’s character specific

[tired forge]

What chatacter r u playing as

[fluid gazelle]

Zero

[tired forge]

Harold is good pretty much no matter what character or parts so you don’t need to worry about farming a better one if you don’t wanna

I managed to get really far into UVHM with a severely underleveled intense Harold with a Dahl grip

Slag helped though

[fluid gazelle]

i have s hawk sand also from second stage, and a lyuda sniper with no element

those three are my main , decent until now..

[tired forge]

What kinda build are you running

[fluid gazelle]

i picked up a random sniper build from somewhere

i die pretty fast

I also have a bee shield

i m kinda glass cannon

[tired forge]

If ur doing a glass cannon thing then stay far away if you can especially for a sniper build

Can’t say I’m much of a zer0 expert though

[fluid gazelle]

one question tho

if i made it in uvhm with zero, then i start a new char from scratch, can I pick uvhm with second char?

[tired forge]

Nah

[fluid gazelle]

sht

then i go with zero

[tired forge]

lol

new gamemodes are only available for the character you unlocked it on until you unlock it on a new character

[tired forge]

Also bee shield is an odd pick for zer0

[fluid gazelle]

I have an impaler too

[tired forge]

he already has very high damage so bee shield is a little unnecessary

It’s not bad exactly

[fluid gazelle]

but i prefer damage over resistance

cuz i feel i have no damage

really

[tired forge]

Ah

[trim hinge]

then ur build or ur guns are shit

[fluid gazelle]

i think build, and guns

:))

[tired forge]

UVHM is also just a little unbalanced

Slag starts to become necessary

[fluid gazelle]

yea i saw the difference

i just reached sanctuary

i have a lot to go

but i wanna go slow , farm what i need

[tired forge]

Do you have kunai yet

[fluid gazelle]

to enjoy the missions ..easily

what kunai ?

[tired forge]

It’s a zer0 skill

[fluid gazelle]

idk bro..

[tired forge]

When in deception you can throw up to 5 kunai at enemies that deal dot damage in random elements and can sometimes slag

It’s not a very consistent method of slagging but it works sometimes

[fluid gazelle]

how i unlock iot ?

[tired forge]

It’s at the bottom of the blue tree I believe

You could also try and get a magic missile too

That’s another good method for slagging

[fluid gazelle]

yeah i have no point in that

[tired forge]

It’s a good skill

It’s worth it

[fluid gazelle]

i really need to reskill my tree

i go to sanctuary now

but how to put them ?

[tired forge]

put what

Oh you mean a new build

[fluid gazelle]

yea

[tired forge]

I’m not much of a zero player so I don’t have much advice but try asking some other people maybe avid zero players or try Reddit

Or you can google “borderlands 2 best uvhm zero build”

Look for a video

I usually don’t trust those random gaming articles

[fluid gazelle]

there is pinned on bdl2 chat a simulator for builds

i have 51 points at my current lvl

i try there

[tired forge]

Alr

I’d recommend getting a legendary hunter com if you don’t have one already and once you reach 62 maybe try and get a legendary sniper

[peak ether]

Leg Sniper also does this funny thing where it gets worse at higher lvls

So fair warning

[fluid gazelle]

what is leg hunter com?

[peak ether]

Zer0's base legendary class mod

[fluid gazelle]

i have a leg lyuda

[peak ether]

And a really good one at that

[tired forge]

Yeah I’ve only played zer0 once and I never even got to uvhm

So I’m not very knowledgeable

[peak ether]

All of his leg coms are strong except the Slayer but all the Slayers are meh-bad

[fluid gazelle]

where to farm them ?

[tired forge]

I’ve only gotten to uvhm as Krieg actually but I’ve gotten to tvhm with almost every character cuz I just get bored

[peak ether]

Leg Sniper drops from tubbies at lvl 62+

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isn’t gaige’s slayer com not that bad for bonus anarchy stacks

[peak ether]

Leg Hunter can be a world drop

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For leg hunter I’d just farm the snowman dlc chest but it’ll take a while

[peak ether]

So farm the train or loot midgets for that

[peak ether]

No

It's in the meh category

[tired forge]

I thought it gave bonuses to preshrunk cyberpunk

[peak ether]

That +200 extra stacks hurts more than it helps

[tired forge]

Literally how

[peak ether]

And Necromancer/Prodigy are better for raids

[peak ether]

You do zero damage if you miss

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slayer com is pretty ass yeah unless ur going for speedkills

[tired forge]

Counter argument: run up to the enemies face because bl2 ai is stupid and they forget what to do

[trim hinge]

which is very niche

[peak ether]

Bl2 ai is smart enough to back tf off if you get too close

[tired forge]

Works for me

[peak ether]

It's what causes marauders to back pedal like crazy

[trim hinge]

and im pretty sure a necromancer is gonna be more dps anyway

[peak ether]

it is

[trim hinge]

with the fire rate and mag size

[tired forge]

Couldn’t you just get a ricochet fibber and then the accuracy tank doesn’t matter that much

[trim hinge]

so slayer is just kind of a waste for anything beside speedkills

[trim hinge]

considerably better with a necro com

or prodigy

[peak ether]

Necro and Prodigy are Gaige's two best coms

They're honestly better than all of her Legendaries outside niche builds

[tired forge]

Or just don’t play gaige because she’s shit boring let’s agree on that

[peak ether]

No

[trim hinge]

nah

gaige my goat

[peak ether]

Me and Vi both have played Gaige the most

[tired forge]

If you find gaige fun you have to have some sort of mental condition

Then again I find Krieg fun so

I also have a mental condition

Maybe I’m throwing rocks in a glass house here

[trim hinge]

ur hitting urself in the head with the rocks

cuz u have stv

teehee

[peak ether]

But on the point of high Anarchy hurting

[cunning sable]

I play dot gaige

Without anarchy

[tired forge]

If you don’t get 5/5 in stv as fast as possible in every Krieg playthrough are you really a true Krieg fan?

[peak ether]

For casual mobbing 200 is perfectly fine

[trim hinge]

im sure you do mew

[trim hinge]

honestly 100

thats already 175% gun damage

[cunning sable]

What do you mean

You know i do

[trim hinge]

yeah im sure of it

[peak ether]

If you hate Gaige "because fuck pre stacking" you fell for reddit misinfo

[tired forge]

I don’t hate gaige because of pre stacking I hate gaige because her action skill is just boring

[cunning sable]

That same gaige on my ps4 is the cursed one

You know what i mean

[cunning sable]

A mobile distraction is useful

[peak ether]

^

[cunning sable]

Krieg just does melee

[peak ether]

Deathtrap my goat

[tired forge]

Yeah and that’s like the only thing he’s good for at later levels

His ai is horrible

At least with kriegs action skill you actually have to do something

[cunning sable]

He has good stagger abilities, Clap is great for that

Aslo the shootable orb works wonders ive found

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deathtrap ai be like “I’m gonna try and give shield regen to this random psycho and try to melt gaige with a heat beam”

[cunning sable]

Ive never had that problem

[tired forge]

Happens to me all the time

At least it used to

Back when I played gaige

It might be better on console or something

[peak ether]

DT and Turret are stronger on console

[tired forge]

Yeah

I just don’t like Axton and Gaige that much because there’s not much input from the player for their action skills

[cunning sable]

Neither does zero or maya

And Sal your just shooting more

[tired forge]

Wdym neither does Zer0? You literally use it to perfectly time well-placed shots to get the maximum damage

[trim hinge]

if we think about it sal has the action skill that requires the highest accuracy

teehee

[tired forge]

That’s a lot of input

When i play melee zer0 I spend almost the entire duration setting up the perfect hit for the maximum damage it takes a lot of thought and input

[trim hinge]

yeah yeah keep telling urself that

[tired forge]

You have to think about where the crit area is, to go from the back, to make sure you can procc certain skills, to make sure they don’t know where you are for ambush, etc

[tired forge]

How is this even a debate

The only time it doesn’t take input is if you’re just using deception to escape

[cunning sable]

Unless you take unforseen

The copy itself doesnt do anything