bl1-2-tps-media

[rain cliff]

That ain't it chief

[patent cobalt]

having to crutch on bee for ladyfist headshots to do good isnt a good playstyle for me so switching it out i think is the play here

[rough galleon]

it isnt if you do the math of crit dmg

(base+preadd)*(1+scale)(1-negativescale)+postadd

base is 2
lady fist is 8 scale (a lot of crit bonuses listed are scale)
so its 16 x 311 dmg per shot

but yeah
switching out is fine
minmaxing dmg isnt that important (esp when not maxed lvl)
consistency is

[patent cobalt]

yeah, but you gotta think, how often are you hitting headshots on skags

skags are my example once more

idk i really like the judge tho like even when not compaired to anything its a fun gun

[rough galleon]

often
they dont nod their head much, like to howl now and then and can stagger, making it easier to land crits

[patent cobalt]

thats just not often for me

[rough galleon]

but again
if getting crits for you isnt consistent
then swapping is a fine choice

[patent cobalt]

btw im finally off the bee shield

it feels weird

[rough galleon]

in most cases
lady fist will outdmg law greatly that being said

[opal ingot]

@rough galleon @patent cobalt

[patent cobalt]

so the same as the boom bewm fight flesh heads armor body

[rough galleon]

are you watching the same video?
Corrosive Lyuda did 506k on leg, 1088k on head
Fire Lyuda did 126k on leg, 851k on head

Corrosive wins

[patent cobalt]

shhhh im bad at reading numbers 😭

[rough galleon]

thank you for this btw

Wilhelm is a pain in the ass to read in OE since he has like 6 hitregions LOL

[opal ingot]

[opal ingot]

wait no
corrosive crit would be more cuz sniper crit
fire leg (if it was flesh) would be more
and fire crit did over 800k
so his head is flesh

[rough galleon]

both 1088k corrosive and 851k fire was on head tho in your video

0:11 and 0:13

fire than corrosive would do more dmg on the head if it was flesh

and leg is clearly armor from the massive difference

[opal ingot]

well yeah but like
have you factored in sniper crit damage bonus

[rough galleon]

I didnt I guess?

125% crit scale for Lyuda

[opal ingot]

so it's just more crit than usual
which would add up to more
corrosive also just does more
if his head was armor
corrosive crit would be more than 1088k

[rough galleon]

66,2924 was the base card on Lyuda
crit is 2x1.25
fire on armor is 0.4, on flesh 1.75
corrosive on armor is 1.75, on flesh 0.6

Corrosive
662,924 x 2 x 1.25 x 1.75 = 2,900,292.5
662,924 x 2 x 1.25 x 0.6 = 994,386

Fire
662,924 x 2 x 1.25 x 0.4 = 662,924
662,924 x 2 x 1.25 x 1.75 = 2,900,292.5

were you using a Bone of the Ancients?

[opal ingot]

deputy's badge

[rough galleon]

hmm, odd
cuz yeah, the math should have the right element doing almost 2 times more dmg than listed

but 994,386 is the closest to what I saw for Corrosive
which could mean its flesh?

idk, it doesn't make sense for fire to do less dmg if it was flesh

saw 949k for Fire on head as Get Some proced KIPH I assume

[opal ingot]

i'll do more testing tomorrow maybe

[rough galleon]

its weird
if it was vulnerable to any of these elements
the crit dmg was waaaay too low LOL

Corrosive on head with shield was 1051k but thats shield so semantics

those are all the numbers I saw that matter

[cunning aspen]

it finally dropped

[rain cliff]

[peak ether]

First Craw of the character

Shit roll

[lofty flame]

This roll SUCKS 🍅 🍅 🍅

[peak ether]

This thing tho

444 dmg

[lofty flame]

Magnificent

[peak ether]

Reminder people rarity is cosmetic in Bl1

[lofty flame]

Woaw

[wheat harbor]

it feels like a slap in the face that those coms can even roll such low parts

[grizzled oracle]

@thorn hawk convert this to a pc save or whatever ur on then load it up

[thorn hawk]

https://tenor.com/view/ip-grabber-ip-grabber-thanos-gif-21846609

what is this

[grizzled oracle]

a bl2 savegame

with the zero head on it

[thorn hawk]

with it already unlocked or what

[grizzled oracle]

when you open your inventory it gets given to you due to how the head is supposed to be exclusive

along with all the other community cosmetics lol try not to spam accept too fast

[thorn hawk]

gotcha

I mean I was gonna try getting it on my main Zer0 but

[thorn hawk]

Is it the item or does it just get sent straight to your unlocked page

[grizzled oracle]

consumeable skin

so the item

[thorn hawk]

oh okay so just load it up, grab the unlockable I want and then send it to the secret stash

[grizzled oracle]

uh the skin will delete itself if you savequit

its flagged by sanity check ur not supposed to have it

[thorn hawk]

mm okay so i'd need to play on the character to use it

and i'll assume its a fresh level 1

[grizzled oracle]

you can use the skin on any char

itll unlock for the account

its a normal skin consumeable

[thorn hawk]

mm okay

so i'd need to constantly use the consumable each time I log into the character

[tawdry shell]

there’s also saves that just have every customization for all characters

[tawdry shell]

once you click a cosmetic item it’s unlocked forever

[grizzled oracle]

have you never unlocked a skin before ?

[thorn hawk]

wait im confused now

cause im trying to get the portal Zer0 skin on my current Zer0

[grizzled oracle]

yes you consume the skin item to unlock the skin

[tawdry shell]

skins and heads you usually pick up from drops
click skin and head in inventory
now you have skin/head

[grizzled oracle]

then you can change your skin at the respec station

[tawdry shell]

that’s all it is

then you can change it at the new u station yeah

[thorn hawk]

okay cause you confused me when you said it would delete itself

[grizzled oracle]

you're not supposed to have it

that save makes it a pending mission item to get around the sanity check

[thorn hawk]

For clarification, I want to get it on THIS zer0

will it or will it not give it to this one

[grizzled oracle]

🤦‍♂️

[tawdry shell]

when you unlock a skin for a vault hunter it’s permanently unlocked for that vault hunter

[thorn hawk]

Thats not what im fucking asking

[tawdry shell]

so unlocking a head for zero will make every zero you create have that head available

[thorn hawk]

OOOH

okay so I am just special

[tawdry shell]

dw we’re all a little slow

[thorn hawk]

didnt see this

[grizzled oracle]

?reading

[serene escarp]

If you’re a Borderlands player then odds are you don’t know how to read this.

[thorn hawk]

what does that say

yeah I never created a 2nd zero so I wouldnt have known that

but we good now

[tawdry shell]

anyways you can technically just set what your character has on gibbed with one of its options, but it doesn’t really let you like unlock everything in mass

if you wanna unlock everything for each character just use these saves

https://www.nexusmods.com/borderlands3/mods/355?tab=posts

[thorn hawk]

honestly the only thing i'd need is just instructions on how to use this

[tawdry shell]

put character save in save folder

[thorn hawk]

unless its literally as simple as download and done

[grizzled oracle]

google gibbed and download it

[tawdry shell]

gibbed isn’t needed for downloading saves lol

[grizzled oracle]

?reading

[serene escarp]

If you’re a Borderlands player then odds are you don’t know how to read this.

[tawdry shell]

my fault gang

just play on the 360 instead

[grizzled oracle]

so real

[thorn hawk]

this?

[grizzled oracle]

yes

[grizzled oracle]

@muted panther

[tawdry shell]

amazing username

[rough galleon]

ok testing time:
Zer0 no skills but action skill (wasnt used for testing, just to lose aggro), no BAR, no COM or relic
OP10 Lady Fist on level 82 Wilhelm, Win-Win Lady Fist with 611,385 dmg on the item card

Corrosive Lady Fist:
Crits
5942k Head
17332k Leg joints

Non Crits
962k Body, Hands and Legs
330k Flesh/exposed Arms

Fire Lady Fist:
Crits
4333k Head
990k Leg joints

Non Crits
55025 Body, Hands and Legs
240k Flesh/exposed Arms

Shock Lady Fist:
Crits
9904k Head and Leg Joints

Non Crits
550k rest

I dont fucking know but there's the stats LOL

[muted panther]

Preesh big fella

[rough galleon]

so uhhhh with that for Wilhelm:
#bl1-2-tps-media message Wilhelm has a 75% fire resist modifier

**Leg Joints are armor (it isn't technically, its "none" lol, may default to Armor)
Body, Hands and Legs are armor

Head no idea but Shock is better (Flesh but has resistants)
Shock is better on flesh/explosed arms (Flesh but has resistants)**

@patent cobalt

this is why I hate trying to figure out Wilhelm

the only thing I didnt test is "hips" I guess?

yeah this HitRegion be weird

armor is established, what the fuck is PhysMat_Metal?

[grizzled oracle]

nerd

[rough galleon]

Honestly the best interaction for sand skids is being able to just go full vertical

[rough galleon]

last one
this is why ArmoredPsycho's head is weak to fire lol
'GD_PsychoShared.HitRegions.HitRegion_Head'

[peak ether]

@versed matrix

What I run

Multiple choices

Warmonger, Berserker, Centurion, Blast Master, Skirmisher

[rough galleon]

no Prize Fighter 😦

[peak ether]

With investment yes

Certain skills and coms

Rockets do grenade dmg

Brick has a certain com with grenade dmg as a passive

You can see where this can lead

[tawdry shell]

same way you got your other class mods lol

ik that's one of his most commonly used coms

idk anything about brick tho

[peak ether]

Fix that

[tawdry shell]

nah im in a cod zombies mood atm

plus i just finished a roland playthrough lol

[peak ether]

This isn't even a good roll and it still does work

[wheat harbor]

revenge does nothing for it

it
does nothing for it

[peak ether]

Revenge is bullet dmg

Rockets don't get bullet dmg boosts

Only gun, elemental, and grenade

Why ppl think carnages are shit

[wheat harbor]

yes

[peak ether]

They don't know that

[wheat harbor]

which is why they benefit of grenade damage

[peak ether]

If you do you can actually start addressing this downside and actually start buffing them with the correct sources

[wheat harbor]

would a carnage even beat out an explosive shotgun

it just kindaa has
x1 shotgun disease

[peak ether]

idfk

I need to experiment more with them

If I even have one

[wheat harbor]

i really think the carnage should be like
x3

with adjusted damage

i just dont think x1 shotguns are really ever good

[tawdry shell]

all that makes me think of is that one skill blitz had

[peak ether]

Uh why did the new guy get banned?

[tawdry shell]

scattershock adding a projectile to shotguns each point

[wheat harbor]

you remove the entire close quaters mechanic of shotguns where theyre inherrently designed around not hitting all projectiles
and then impossible to actually balance them accordingly without beign busted

[tawdry shell]

boost it to 10/5 and use a carnage

destroys your frames

it was SO funny with the boom stick

[peak ether]

Do I not have any Carnages on my Bricks

[tawdry shell]

nola reworked that skill tho

[rough galleon]

sus comments in BL4-media and Borderlands-4 from what I know

[peak ether]

Nvm I do

[tawdry shell]

its both more broken and less broken now

[peak ether]

Oh

[trim hinge]

yep

[tawdry shell]

cause it no longer adds a projectile each point to shotguns

instead just
doubles the projectiles of all weapons

[sullen girder]

@rough galleon

[peak ether]

Was asking because he dm'd me a message out of confusion

[rough galleon]

I want to say some of the pellets flew into the leg joints beside it but it does look like the nut is a crit spot LOL

[sullen girder]

Oh the guy who was saying "repeaters are ass. Kill craw melee only brick"

[rough galleon]

thats good tho

[tawdry shell]

yeah

i REALLY wanna see a melee craw kill now (if you can even punch his spots)

[peak ether]

Yeah him

[sullen girder]

You likely need to be launched by craw or get upto the structures in the arena

[peak ether]

Turns out kinda?

[rough galleon]

mano to crabbo

[peak ether]

Turns out this is hella fucking fun wtf

It's performing like a cheaper alternative to a launcher

[rough galleon]

@wheat harbor actually since you're around

Ive done testing on Wilhelm and found a lot of the numbers just doesnt make sense for the HitRegions

can you elaborate?

Ive already figured out Boom Bewm are Metal enemies instead of Armor (still dont know why their visor takes extra dmg from fire tho)

#bl1-2-tps-media message
here's my work

[wheat harbor]

did you lok deeper into the physmat

the damage surface type is specified there

so the body is armor

huh
the leg join has no physmat

[rough galleon]

what about the Head, Exposed arms/Engineer arms and Leg Joint

[wheat harbor]

so it should default to armor?

[rough galleon]

yeah those are what Im mostly curious on

[wheat harbor]

head should be flesh

[rough galleon]

but it took less dmg from Fire

Shock did the highest LOL

[wheat harbor]

why the fuck is the head adjacent to the hips

[rough galleon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[wheat harbor]

wilhem has 75% fire resist

[rough galleon]

BRUH ok

[wheat harbor]

so shock being neutral makes it better

[rough galleon]

where do you see it?

oh GD_Willhelm.Character.CharClass_Willhelm

ok that makes a lot more sense

so I guess since the visor for BoomBoom isn't listed for PhyMats
it defaults to flesh?

also thank you Zeta

[thorn hawk]

Oh how I love you... just melting these robots away like they are butter...

[wheat harbor]

oh hell yea a flying PC?!
that rocks

[thorn hawk]

slagga + flying pc has been making these uvhm hyperion robots die like level 20s

proud of what I got goin too

just wait till i get a higher level lyu

[tawdry shell]

my only critique is having points in fearless

it's not worth the investment, ambush is far better

free damage boost while in deception

[thorn hawk]

kaboom

[tawdry shell]

peak

[leaden stag]

2 fang user

[lofty flame]

As opposed to the many other choices zero has

[leaden stag]

I made clon go explody

[wheat harbor]

just use hyperion snipers

[rough galleon]

Dahl sniper
Problem and ammo deleted

[quiet sapphire]

all is farmed legit without mods

[leaden stag]

never liked the skullsmasher too much

glad the amigo sincero came along

[quiet sapphire]

the amigo was a great sniper but since op5 i didnt get another one, i will keep my eyes open for one ty

[leaden stag]

Its a quest reward you dont exactly keep your eyes open for it

[quiet sapphire]

okay makes sense i kinda speeded through the dlc

it was the sniper you got from brick if i remember correct

[leaden stag]

yeah

[quiet sapphire]

is the Pitchfork better than the Skullmasher? if so ill be doing terramorphous a few more times

[leaden stag]

pitchfork could be more useful for terramorphous if its a fire one

granted, preferably with a bee shield

[sullen girder]

Lyuda is better than both

[quiet sapphire]

i farmed op10 terramorphous 4 times now and didnt get a single pitchfork dropped :C

[quiet sapphire]

Farming for Lyuda probably isnt that hard either

[peak ether]

It's not

The Bl2 pitchfork is kinda just sad

It's a good sniper but the Lyuda exists

And is better

And is also 10 times easier to get

[cunning sable]

If it was 1 ammo would it be better?
Or would a higher damage count improve it

[quiet sapphire]

nvm i got a pacifying pitchfork now thanks to a dude with whom i killed terra

i love bl2 community man

[tawdry shell]

i think the damage is fine, maybe the bullets being closer would be better?

a lot of smaller enemies you won't hit every bullet with the pitchfork i feel

[cunning sable]

Neither will the Lyuda i think cause they go out to the side

[tawdry shell]

yeah but the lyuda doesn't really need the side ones to begin with :p

[quiet sapphire]

any suggestions for a better handcanon preferably with element? the unforgiven is very nice but maybe there are stronger ones

[lofty flame]

Hand cannon? They're all pistols

So naturally I'd recommend Lady Fist

[rough galleon]

the funny if you crit, they die moment

[quiet sapphire]

@lofty flame i know we only got pistols, hand cannon is a destiny only thing maybe thats why i call revolver like guns hand cannons idk. And as it seems from the numbers the lady fist is much weaker than the unforgiven but still ty for the suggestion

[tawdry shell]

the lady fist is arguably the strongest pistol in the game lol, 800% crit is dumb

the unfrogiven ironically is one of the worst

[quiet sapphire]

okay i will give lady fist a try

[rough galleon]

Lady Fist dmg item card x 2 x 8 is your dmg if you crit, add elemental multiplier if matching

not to mention its pretty solid fire rate, reload speed and high mag size for dps

[quiet sapphire]

damn its the tk baha quest reward. i did all my main and side base game missions before hitting op10

[rough galleon]

time to reset

[quiet sapphire]

maybe but i dont wanna reset all just for the pistol. i still got some dlc´s i could run at op10 where i also could get a nice pistol

[tawdry shell]

there's the greed from the pirate dlc

fire jakobs pistol

[rough galleon]

nothing really compares to the insanity of critting on a Lady Fist in regards to pistols

but yeah, feel free to grab whatever then

[tawdry shell]

there's a hornet
gwens head
thunderball fists
a high rarity elemental vladof anarchist

uhhh there's probably some others

looking at LL there's less pistols then i remember

[rough galleon]

Maggie gaming

[tawdry shell]

no element tho

[rough galleon]

/playdead

[quiet sapphire]

the close quarters hornet sadly is much weaker. but i could still run dragonkeep and hammerlock on uvhm. And sick pistols there?

[rough galleon]

in regards to uniques, no

Stinger is a slow Anarchist
Grog Nozzle is more of a tool than a weapon

[quiet sapphire]

i saw the grog nozzle on joltz stream and it is very handy, but didnt know the name. im getting this bad boy for sure ty

50% slag chance also isnt to bad

[rough galleon]

its the highest lifesteal in the game
the slag and drunk effect is a secondary effect

[quiet sapphire]

very nice

[nocturne ruin]

What am I doing wrong here?

I was getting success with the door trick but it suddenly has stopped working recently

[rough galleon]

not close enough

if it worked before, what did you change?

[nocturne ruin]

I was as far into him as it would let me go

[nocturne ruin]

That's what I don't understand

[rough galleon]

the tesla can trigger the fight; I usually use singularities with no additional dmg

[nocturne ruin]

it didn't when I tried before
am I throwing it too close?

[rough galleon]

mayhaps?

[nocturne ruin]

Wdym by trigger the fight? Isn't that how you get the door to close?

[rough galleon]

yeah, but you can also just shoot/hit him too

the tesla can trigger the fight early instead of the singularity portion grabbing him

[nocturne ruin]

do i actually need to even throw one of the grenades when I'm in there?

[rough galleon]

its a lot easier with characters that have knockback for the final hit (IE Fistful of Hurt, Execute, Nuke etc)

you want him to be as close to the door as possible
from what Im seeing, he's just slightly off

you throw it at the door or directly under it

[nocturne ruin]

so maybe it is too close?

the grenade itself

[rough galleon]

probs

[nocturne ruin]

I just remembered that getting gee that close I used the ceiling trick so that might be why

[rough galleon]

I would throw it to the far right side of the door in that clip instead of like barely moving him LOL

[nocturne ruin]

wouldn't it pull him to the right then? Like away from where I was trying to stand at him

[rough galleon]

from the clip
the door has more room to the right
if you move him to the right, Gee would be closer to the center of it

and slightly more closer to being under it

[nocturne ruin]

i think it was me throwing the grenades wrong because I just tried again and bro died easily

dropped a slag patriot which is neat i guess

would be neat if i wasnt krieg

[rough galleon]

play a new character then

[nocturne ruin]

not just to use a sniper lol

[rough galleon]

you can use snipers on Krieg

Pain is Power is the only skill that doesn't synergizes with snipers

[nocturne ruin]

Pain is Power is kinda important for my build-

[rough galleon]

its not an important skill is the thing

and landing crits usually yields more dmg

[nocturne ruin]

+50% melee tho

[rough galleon]

then why do you care about using snipers on a melee build...?

[nocturne ruin]

I dont
I was just mentioning that snipers suck on this build

[rough galleon]

a lot of guns would on a melee focused build

or at least be far less effective

[nocturne ruin]

arguably they are all equally useful
it's just that pain is power makes snipers in particular less good

[rough galleon]

25% reduction of ALL crit

assuming 5/5

[nocturne ruin]

legendary sickle makes it 10/5

[rough galleon]

cool so 50% less

[nocturne ruin]

it's not balanced out by the gun damage buff?

[rough galleon]

Gun Dmg is not 1:1 Crit Damage

[rough galleon]

Scale Gun Damage = 1.5x with PiP
Crit = 2 x .5 = 1

Weapon Damage = (Base Damage x 1.5) x 1

you lost half of your dmg and even more so when adding more factors

"The Scale Weapon Damage gained from PiP is basically never worth the crit damage lost unless it’s something like the Carnage. Also applies to melee crit lmao."

this is mentioned in the Krieg guide lol

its only good for guns that can't even crit to begin with but even then, those guns are usually are small exceptions

[rain cliff]

I never take PIP on Krieg

But i do really like the Carnage

[rough galleon]

I saw it as niche but doing the math, it literally isnt worth it

like yeah, if you like splatguns, PO, Carnage etc
PiP is a dmg buff

otherwise uhhhh

[rain cliff]

PO?

[rough galleon]

Peak Opener

[rain cliff]

Ah

I use a Crunch with Carnage

[rough galleon]

fair

[rain cliff]

And a Torch usually with Hellborn

Reaper for Bloodbath

[rough galleon]

you act like Bloodbath isnt used on like every gun Krieg build lol

same with Hellborn
its a pretty common secondary tree for Krieg cuz its just buffs for being on fire

[rain cliff]

5/5 is usually enough for mobbing

anymore feels like overkill

no pun intended

[quiet sapphire]

bloodbath is a key element in almost every krieg build, true

[rough galleon]

tbf, you dont need a longer kill skill duration when mobbing

so the Reaper is just overkill itself

[quiet sapphire]

also Krieg is the word for War in german

[rain cliff]

DAS IST GUD

BLITZKRIEG!

[rough galleon]

man if Torch was Incendiary dmg, Krieg would go much harder than he already is

[rain cliff]

Burn* Damage

[rough galleon]

Burn isnt the same

[rain cliff]

I know

[rough galleon]

but at least his DoTs are funny

[rain cliff]

DoT's are not fun at OP10

[rough galleon]

150% from BBB and then 65% with Leg. Torch OP10

his DoTs can still melt in OP10 if they can take burn

but generally, you kill before the DoTs do lol

[rain cliff]

Killing an enemy with the DoT alone won't end well

More fun making everything explode

[cunning aspen]

mfw you get the drop but it's under level :(

[wary sigil]

(for another message)

[cunning aspen]

89% drop :)

[wheat harbor]

PiP is... weird
mathematically yea
as soon as you have other gun damage bonuses, you do less damage on crit with PiP than without
but then krieg gun choices make crits less important

PiP does help you get bloodbath going too

but ig you can just
badaboom?

[rough galleon]

not like Bloodbath is a hard conditional either since a lot of grenade and launcher dmg choices has high dmg lol

[wheat harbor]

yea

[rough galleon]

the hardest part of it is that its a kill skill
so its horrible on some raid bosses xd

[rain cliff]

Some Guns can proc Bloodbath and Benefit from it

Like the Carnage

[rough galleon]

lot of guns actually

[rain cliff]

Any gun that deals Grenade Damage can proc Bloodbath

Hornet

Slow Hand

Blockhead

Peak

[wheat harbor]

i mean
no gun that does grenade or rocket does it as impact so

if it procs bloodbath
it benefits from PiP

[thorn hawk]

and so the grind begins

needa get level 60 fire, corrosive, and normal

[rough galleon]

you def dont need to get Normal

[thorn hawk]

for what purpose should i not

nevermind i got a level 60 electric lyudmila too

[wheat harbor]

if you have fire and corrosive thats enough

enemy shields are rarely a problem

[rough galleon]

Non elemental guns doesnt benefit from the elemental system which is a dmg multiplier and also does slightly less dmg to those with armor

Unless you are just collecting
If a gun can roll elements, you should get said elements

[wheat harbor]

the only real argument for normal is like
fire resist flesh enemies like fire skags

[thorn hawk]

in uvhm these mfs shields are more durable than the HP

[rough galleon]

Then again
Shock is a better NE/Explosive

[wheat harbor]

i mean
you have the damage penalty on the weapon

shock is just worse for flesh

[rough galleon]

Fair

[wheat harbor]

unless youre talking about shotguns

since they dont have an elemental damage penalty

[rough galleon]

Oh thats weird

[wheat harbor]

mhm

[rough galleon]

But wouldnt an elemental relic make up for the 20% nerf anyways

[wheat harbor]

technically tps lasers also dont but
theyre only elemental

[wheat harbor]

ig?
but who wants to run a shock relic

you dont want to swap relic every time a different enemy appears

[rough galleon]

WDT Gaige/too lazy to swap

Tho yeah, if you are just matching, I guess shock relic isnt necessary

[wheat harbor]

i mean
youd use a fire or corrosive relic in most situations

WDT gaige is a joke

[rough galleon]

Heh

I guess a case for shock being used best is for Vora and Pete shield

[wheat harbor]

the only time youd do shock gaige is if youre actually using shock exclusive weapons

otherwise youre just
throwing out damage

[tall surge]

Only really go for shock gaige if youre also maximizing dot damage

[rough galleon]

Honestly as much as bl2 people fixate on shock being the generalist
Ive never really thought of the numbers NE weapons can do

[wheat harbor]

NE just mostly suffers from not being boostable compared to shock

[rough galleon]

But let say facing an enemy who takes neutral dmg to shock

Would a relic that boosts NE gun dmg be worse than a shock elemental relic?

[wheat harbor]

NE gun damage?

as in
gun damage for NE weapons?

yes

[rough galleon]

Like a relic that boosts sniper dmg

[wheat harbor]

everyone has gun damage boosts

gaige is the only one with a shock boost

but still has way more gun than shock damage

[rough galleon]

Not talking about skills
Purely the relic spot

[wheat harbor]

i mean sure if you dont have anything else
ne + sniper relic would do better than shock + shock relic
assuiming relic values are the same

but
its context that matters in the end

[rough galleon]

Cuz Bone of the Ancients is the most talked about

Would a shock BotA outperform a sniper relic
Lets assume the snipers are hyperion, one is NE and one is Shock

[wheat harbor]

also huh
Grenades dont have an elemental damage penalty

[rough galleon]

Wait what?

[wheat harbor]

ok bone and heart do have the same boost

[wheat harbor]

elemental damage penalty isnt inherrent to elements
just gun element parts have a negative scale gun damage modifier

[rough galleon]

Oh gotcha

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/643679940730159107/1359250549907652759/image.png?ex=67f6cc38&is=67f57ab8&hm=37150d7b028264dcfb272d0744024afbdf1f297189dbad47eb59522bd6b0316b&

So with the 42% of the gun dmg boost and elemental dmg boost

The NE sniper would still win in this formula is what im trying to wrap my head around

~~No right? ~~ actually nvm
Both are just a 1.42x, the extra 20% from being NE would be better

[wheat harbor]

yea

but thats assuming you have no other gun damage boosts ofc

[rough galleon]

Ye which uhh isnt gonna happen

Me when i forget to do basic math so i have to write it out

[wheat harbor]

[cunning aspen]

:)

finally 100% borderlands 2 achievments

[rough galleon]

Congratz

[jolly tartan]

Congrats

I only got dlc trophies left

Never finished hammerlock DLC lmao

[minor plank]

Nice. I need to play a wider variety of characters for that

[rough galleon]

@sullen girder yeah seems like Mac can buy it

[sullen girder]

Huh

[rough galleon]

the apple icon means Mac can run/buy it

[wary sigil]

Wz are there two pruples?

[sullen girder]

First one is an Etech, which uses an etech barrel and changes how the gun shoots

[wary sigil]

Is Etech a part maker or gun maker? The gun itself is Maliwan

[sullen girder]

Etech is a rarity.

The barrel makes it an etech

If you turn on colourblind mode. Etech guns will be "Magenta"

[wary sigil]

Ahh

[short vortex]

looking for a group to play a new game with

[tawdry shell]

make a post in #1354428652305256739 or #1354561905871552573

whichever game your looking for

[thorn hawk]

man the fuck is gettle doin...

[scenic briar]

This Mad Mel guy? I know him,

[tawdry shell]

lmao this happens all the time with dialog, never understood what causes it

[cunning sable]

Its because Gearbox

[rough galleon]

Scooter is so helpful

[cunning sable]

Not when he dies

[rough galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/bonk-hammer-fwosty-hit-you-gif-20114808

[cunning sable]

Oh thabks i needed the massage

[rough galleon]

np, I gotchu

[plucky flame]

https://www.instagram.com/p/DIPEqY9yvL9/
noice

Instagram

[wheat harbor]

restricted profile

[ionic wadi]

where do I ask for gun drops? Lol

[rough galleon]

the lfg trading channels

[serene escarp]

If you plan to play, boost, or trade with someone, please read #find-groups-and-trade to get set up! This channel has all the information you'll need about our LFG channels!
Getting started is as simple as answering yes to "Are you interested in LFG or Trading?" in id:customize! Enjoy yourselves Vault Hunters!

To embed links or upload images in our trading channels, you'll need the Vault Hunter role! You earn this when you reach Level 2 with the Lurkr bot within this server. You gain XP through talking in the chat.

[wide fog]

etech is essentially a glorified purple rarity, in all honesty it shouldn’t even be its own rarity it’s just a different barrel

[cunning sable]

but its SPECIAL!!!!

[wide fog]

it’s like picking up breakfast and then dessert in the binding of isaac, same thing different name

[cunning sable]

It was either that or laser weaponry

And Tbf i think Lasers fared better off

[sharp timber]

I had to refund bl2 vr for many reasons

This is one of them

Granted I can play without it but holy hell.

[thorn hawk]

@rough galleon this

[rough galleon]

then yeah, just download gib and convert the save or I can send the list for spawning it in

[thorn hawk]

which is this correct?

I wanna make sure I aint downloading somn that'll cause my pc to spontaneously combust

[tawdry shell]

that's correct

[rough galleon]

https://github.com/gibbed/Gibbed.Borderlands2/releases
its also in the pinned messages of BL2

[tawdry shell]

also just
?gibbed

lmao

anyways github is the right one yea

[rough galleon]

download the bl2_saveedit_1.0.46.zip

[thorn hawk]

well I play borderlands 2

so I dont read

badabingbadadone

[rough galleon]

to put it bluntly, if you can't read instructions, you are gonna have a rough time modding/save editing lol

[thorn hawk]

No im kidding I can obviously read

though some help would be very much appreciated

and idk if there are any tutorials for 2025

[rough galleon]

just any video should work

nothing really changed for gib

[tawdry shell]

^

i have a vid for giving yourself gear n such

i only know the basics of gibbed tho

[rough galleon]

TRUE

time to promote Blue Knight

[tawdry shell]

[rough galleon]

I can lay out some of the advance things

[rough galleon]

soon™️

[tawdry shell]

[thorn hawk]

Im boutta make the ugliest knights known to mankind

cause I cant draw

[tawdry shell]

real

[rough galleon]

thats the fun part

[thorn hawk]

like a game of gartic phone

[rough galleon]

anywho
#borderlands-2 message

this is all the steps to make the PN2 head for Zer0

[tawdry shell]

you can also just

[thorn hawk]

wow this is actually

[tawdry shell]

slow if you wanna unlock all customizations, but if you have specific stuff you wanna have on you can just chose it

[thorn hawk]

really simple

[tawdry shell]

yeah

willowtree is pretty similar as well

[thorn hawk]

god bless my small brain for these simple cheats... and may gearbox never find my address

[rough galleon]

if they do, what are gonna do?
extract your virtual items away? oh no

[thorn hawk]

idk they have steam

they might send a firing squad under the guise that I stole shit

[rough galleon]

surely

[thorn hawk]

slash jay...

oh wait

where is that save with all the cosmetics

ez

[tawdry shell]

.

[thorn hawk]

No the save file

[tawdry shell]

that has save files

[rough galleon]

scroll slightly up from it

[tawdry shell]

with all cosmetics

[thorn hawk]

that xbox 360 save file whats his name sent

dw i did find it

[tawdry shell]

oh

[thorn hawk]

@tawdry shell @rough galleon hi friends so how do I work with the item giver thingamabob, need that fire lady fist and conference call

[tawdry shell]

copy item code off lootlemon
paste into inventory
set manufacture grade to your level (lootlemon makes it op10 by default)

also they will both be shock by default so you'd wanna change the elemental part to whatever it is you want

[thorn hawk]

whre is lootlemon thing

is it a website or

[tawdry shell]

yes

[rough galleon]

?lemon

[serene escarp]

If you are looking for reliable source for all your loot needs for any of the Borderlands games, make sure to check https://lootlemon.com/ !

[tawdry shell]

goated site

[thorn hawk]

thank you much

[rough galleon]

#bl1-2-tps-media message

I found it Blue

based youre getting a Storm

[tawdry shell]

oh that's not the vid i was referring to

[thorn hawk]

storm....

[tawdry shell]

https://youtu.be/Z6ltFgx8AK4?si=3c-LKHJxHeBsdCjz

[rough galleon]

goated

[thorn hawk]

if one can erase a shield with a single bullet, what good shall storm be?

[tawdry shell]

i didn't wanan talk so i made this and a willowtree one

[thorn hawk]

im already on the site

just looking for that code

[rough galleon]

funny AoE

its an alright gun in all seriousness but is very fun to look at

[tawdry shell]

it's in the item pages when you click on them

just gotta scroll down a little

[thorn hawk]

you said fire conference and lady fist should help with haderax correcto?

[rough galleon]

correct

Lady Fist to bring it down
then its down and opened its mouth, Fire CC

would recommend getting a Toothpick and Retainer for movement too

[thorn hawk]

gyotcha

[thorn hawk]

could you tell me what gamestage is

[rough galleon]

its just levels

[thorn hawk]

set it to 60?

[rough galleon]

change the top level to yours

dont change the one at the very bottom

yeah

[thorn hawk]

so dont touch this

[tawdry shell]

manufacture grade is the only thing you need to change for level iirc

[thorn hawk]

gyotcha

[thorn hawk]

just wanted to make chure

[rough galleon]

that one you can play with

Game Stage is the one at the very bottom lol

[thorn hawk]

god bless this very simple process

with no bullshit to step on, just a clean road to free weapons.

[thorn hawk]

do I get mouthwash relic for toothpick too?

[rough galleon]

if you plan on using Toothpick as a weapon
Mouthwash makes it stronger

Toothpick Retainer is just to move around

[thorn hawk]

got it

[thorn hawk]

@rough galleon hey so how do I exactly convert darkness's xbox360 save into a pc save

cause its jut not allowing me to open it from the gib thingamabob

[plucky flame]

How

[rough galleon]

you should be able to open the file in gib

[thorn hawk]

yeah it just says its unavailable

[rough galleon]

cuz its not a legitimate save file name I assume
you need to rename it to save(whatever numbers)

so like save5013

[thorn hawk]

do I spam numbers

[rough galleon]

like I said before
only 4 digits

[thorn hawk]

okay

[thorn hawk]

so this should work now

or do I remove game

[rough galleon]

save5013

not SaveGame

[thorn hawk]

guhugotcha

alrighty lemme try now

[thorn hawk]

still didnt work

[rough galleon]

then probs corrupted, oh well

[thorn hawk]

sadge

[thorn hawk]

@rough galleon rq so when does it reveal the top of its head

so I know when to pull out lady fist

and not die in 3 seconds

[rough galleon]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=emfYWHcQC_A

there is no "reveal"
its always open

[thorn hawk]

oh okay

[rough galleon]

this video shows someone doing it with Sand Hawk but the premise is the same

hit crit spot on head until it falls to the middle
open fire at mouth

[thorn hawk]

got it

bruh haderax doesnt stay open long enough for me to shoot i in the mouth

[thorn hawk]

Oh hi there

I got that crossive lyudmila finally

[glass raft]

omg???????

[thorn hawk]

:3

[opal ingot]

dogshit parts good accessory go for another

why didn't you farm gettle tho

[thorn hawk]

1800 attempts got me nearly 3 levels and 20 other lyudmilas

[opal ingot]

hardly believe you did 1800 runs

[thorn hawk]

exaggerated number

it was a lot though

[clear halo]

@rough galleon

Grinder and grinder moonstone

[rough galleon]

Flayer doesn't have such a specification

[clear halo]

Yes that’s why i am trying to underatand what i should grind and how

Because seems to be 2 different pool

[rough galleon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[clear halo]

Because is not part of the shotgun pool

Wait maybe requires a claptastic voyage legendary

[rough galleon]

mayhaps

[clear halo]

Yeee is part of the claptastic voyage lootpool

What a mess the grinder

[leaden stag]

0.43% 🗣️ ‼️

[tawdry shell]

goddamn those are really good parts i think

at least for the first 2 anyways

i would just see how well a couple attempts go and then trade gear if need be from there

[rain cliff]

WOW

Those are good

[ember kernel]

lmao

[rain cliff]

You should be fine man

[ember kernel]

So just focus on looking for an anarchy ? im still farming for shield and class mod anyway

[rain cliff]

Yeah HX Torgue Anarchy

[tawdry shell]

personally i prefer stingers but yeah you can get one with better damage

[ember kernel]

used a stinger for 99% of the game as well xD. Ill look for both

Sells for gold cap but the red arrows annoy me?

[scenic briar]

??????

[tawdry shell]

truly the class mod ever

[thick ore]

Easy craw carry

[wheat harbor]

bl1 coms are painful sometimes

the fact that it can be blue with no skills HURTS

[peak ether]

Rarities have zero effect on stats Zeta

[wheat harbor]

?

parts effect rarity

do the skill parts not effect rarity?

[peak ether]

They do

But it's just like guns

A high value part somewhere else can raise the rarity to be blue sometimes

[wheat harbor]

i know

im just saying that
the stat bonus parts are rated too highly imo

[peak ether]

I would assume they're rated the same

Also

It just one part to determine skills, one to determine passive strength, then material to determine secondary passive

[wheat harbor]

ugh
bl1 editor doesnt wanna open rn

[fair sluice]

Unkempt harold + Bee shield

[rough galleon]

both those characters can 1 shot BNK-3R without much gear

Chain Reaction on Maya
B0re on Zer0 lol

[opal ingot]

harold on characters that benefit from it the least
and also the bee lol

[leaden stag]

beerold makes me wanna play solo

reminds me of today´s rando

was chilling with my fresh krieg at lvl 26 then a guy came in with a lvl 30 char legendary class mod, norfleet, bee shield and some other meta stuff

like bruh

[rough galleon]

@leaden stag BaseValueConstant would be the skill points

ConstantOperand2 is the level required for the COMs to have the skill points

[clear halo]

chain reaction?

does it make bullets bunce inside BNK-3r

because has multiple hitboxes?

[wheat harbor]

they can bounce around because of the turrets

well
it tries to make them bounce but
They keep hitting bunker itself again

[clear halo]

I see

[lucid fog]

@rain cliff you there?

[rain cliff]

Not long mate

Working

[lucid fog]

Look at the Nomads

[rain cliff]

Pretty funny one

[lucid fog]

I post more if i encounter more

[rain cliff]

No worries mate

[rough galleon]

First time ive seen them bounce like that

[opal ingot]

they left

[rough galleon]

Oh rip

[devout hearth]

i was playing knoxx dlc and got a world drop, after that I killed one soldier more and immediately got a new drop

can someone tell me what the chances are

[peak ether]

No one knows

Because Bl1 odds are not consistent

Different enemies have different chances of better parts

And certain legendary parts are rarer than others

[clear halo]

@strange grail

[strange grail]

Bro my luck is terrible 😭

[strange grail]

I’m so sigma

[rough galleon]

Nice

[peak ether]

More like

Stigma

Because fire

And fire as in burning man

And burning man's weapon of choice

Stigma Workshop Weaponry

wtf am I even saying

[rough galleon]

Go back to the Molar workshop

[peak ether]

No

[rough galleon]

Come back with something tremor

Awh shucks

[peak ether]

Too busy building poise

[rough galleon]

You mean charge

[peak ether]

Smh I only have a single charge ID

And like 9 poise ones

you just aren't a stigma male

We should all aspire to be like burning man

no you shouldn't

[dusk ocean]

are these considered good attachments?

[peak ether]

All but the stock

Jakobs stock is misery to use

[leaden stag]

yeah, even moreso if you arent the host

the reccoil makes it feel like you are playing gaige at 300 stacks

[dusk ocean]

on all snipers?

[leaden stag]

but hey at least its not a blue jakob sniper

[dusk ocean]

i still gotta learn

[leaden stag]

bolt action 🤢

[peak ether]

Yes

[dusk ocean]

wym bolt action

[peak ether]

White and Blue Jakobs snipers use a bolt action body

Makes them bad to the point Greens are better than blues

[leaden stag]

you get an unusable delay after each shot

to put it in simpler words

you can shoot a green sniper twice or thrice in the amount of times a bolt action shoots once

[dusk ocean]

wow i did not know that

does this also apply to other guns or only snipers?

[leaden stag]

snipers

[peak ether]

Bandit ARs are fucking like that too

[leaden stag]

every other gun generally behaves as they should

[peak ether]

But it's Bandit ARs

So who cares

[leaden stag]

I never use bandit ARs

yeah

besides the chadbar

[peak ether]

Blue and Purple Bandit ARs have a dmg debuff

That comes after the improved stats the higher rarity bodies normally have

So they just get punished

[rough galleon]

Bet

[peak ether]

For no justifiable reason

[leaden stag]

ARs ass

its that shrimple

[peak ether]

No

[leaden stag]

well uh save for the select elite

Like bekah

[peak ether]

It's specifically bandit ones that are ass

[leaden stag]

sawbar, kitten, thompson

[peak ether]

The rest are fine

[leaden stag]

not even newbies pick up purple bandit ARs

saw it with my own eyes yesterday

[peak ether]

Doesn't take a genius to notice

[leaden stag]

yeah its just sad

[peak ether]

I've never seen a single person who said they like bandit ARs

Not even ppl who like Bandit me defends them

[leaden stag]

they are too busy taking their meds

that reminds me

I tried to use the evil smasher yesterday

reloaded 20 times to no avail, threw it away

[peak ether]

Guns like that are annoying to use

So fair enough

I refuse to use the Lucky 7 because of it

[leaden stag]

the base mag is so painfully low

[wheat harbor]

ehhh still really comes down to the barrel

jakobs bandit and dahl barrel ARs are pretty ass no matter the manufacturer

[leaden stag]

didnt the UCP specifically get rid of a 20% crit damage penalty

[wheat harbor]

yea

[leaden stag]

why is that even there

[dusk ocean]

for harold what are the best parts i should be loking for? matching grip?

[leaden stag]

pretty much

for prefix either hard, intense or double should do

[cunning sable]

Id take crammed over DP

[leaden stag]

I forgor what that one and explicit do

[dusk ocean]

loot lemon doesnt say either

[cunning sable]

Crammed is Mag

Explicit is Accuracy

And then Stiff is stability

[wheat harbor]

bullet speed and accuracy

actually not bad on the harold vecause its so short range

[cunning sable]

Oh its bullet speed too?
I wasn't aware of that

Isnt that bad on the Harold though because farther split

[leaden stag]

yas

at the very least velocity on harold feels like ass

[strange grail]

Is this a good bee chat not good with parts

[wheat harbor]

i mean yes further split but
is that bad?
the harold splits quite close to you

getting range on it is actually good

bullet speed is bad on a lyuda since its so fast that increasing it just makes a dramatic difference

since it multiplies the base speed

[strange grail]

@rough galleon

[rough galleon]

yeah I know

thats the spot people tend to do decades ago too

[strange grail]

@opal ingot

Xp bar does move can u not see ?

[rough galleon]

so about 200xp per second?
a rapid skag is 6k xp for about 30s a kill

[opal ingot]

it's so insignificant that bashing your head against a wall is better

[rough galleon]

probs shorter but i want to be generous

and thats not to mention that avgs out
and theres other things to kill with rapids...or another rapids in that timeframe

[strange grail]

well yea

This requires me to be lazy tho

[rough galleon]

yeah
its fine as an afk method
just not "op" nor efficient

which has always been the case

[strange grail]

Well yea

[rough galleon]

you called it op

[strange grail]

Tbh it would probably take around 4-5 hours maybe to hit 72

It’s op to me cause I get to be lazy all day

[rough galleon]

are you pc?

[strange grail]

nope

[rough galleon]

alright
was about to say
save editting is just faster and less brain numbing

[strange grail]

what is save editing

I don’t play pc so I don’t know half the pc things

[rough galleon]

as the name entails
editing the save so you can just be max lvl

[dusk ocean]

matching grip are the other parts good?

[sullen girder]

Torgue pistol so no

But dmg accessory is good
Dahl barrel is garbage

[dusk ocean]

So torgue pistols are trash?

[sullen girder]

Yes. Have you used one thats not the harold?

[leaden stag]

Ive tried hard to give them a go and just go back to torgue ARs

whenever am not on ravager range

[dusk ocean]

not rlly

matching grip, not sure if the stock or sight is good tho

[sullen girder]

Barrel matters on non unique guns
Stock doesn't matter unless dahl gun
Sight never matters unless launcher

[dusk ocean]

so matching grip?

[sullen girder]

I. Didn't mention grip at all

?bl2parts

?parts

[serene escarp]

Bl1 Part Visual Charts

https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/Gun_Component_Charts
BL2 & TPS Parts
https://bl2.parts/

[dusk ocean]

so u just look at the chart?

idk i was watching joltz and he always says matching grip like its a good thing

[sullen girder]

Matching grip is good because it gives bonus mag size and reload

For barrels, typically you want matching barrel since it gives a damage bonus. But Vladof is best if the gun can have vladof

Shotguns is really the only flexible barrel type. As Jakobs, Bandit, and Torgue shotguns can have any of the others barrels too

Tediore Shotguns are a waste

Hyperion shotguns want matching barrel

[wheat harbor]

ehhh
barrel can be quite impactful
outside of specific whacky ones the damage and accuracy from matching is nice

[dusk ocean]

vladof is good for sniper too right?

barrel

[wheat harbor]

yeah he vladof sniper barrel is very good

vladof barrels in general are very good

[dusk ocean]

gotchu

[wheat harbor]

well probably other than the launcher barrel

[leaden stag]

stalker and pounder shotties kinda, asscheeks

[clear halo]

so how you even meant to get one of those?

[leaden stag]

thats the fun part

[clear halo]

like 0.127%

i think the best bet is to read only farm EOS when you pull out the H source

but they were high while they were doing this chances

[leaden stag]

at that point gib it in

[clear halo]

i consider read only legit

tbf

[leaden stag]

to each their own I guess

[clear halo]

but yeah 2% from completing the DLC and then 1/1000 Kills of the final boss

this is legit TF

[leaden stag]

tho honestly EOS having a guaranteed legendary drop for each kill would make tps grinding so much better

[clear halo]

justmake it 50% legendary

you get a free one at first then is 1 and 1
is not an easy fight

[rough galleon]

This would make any game's grinding better lol

Cuz less rng = better

[clear halo]

Either way i don’t get how you can make the drop Chance 1/1000 on a boss fight and think is sane to get one

[leaden stag]

victims fr

[tawdry shell]

why yo game blue

[little oracle]

Idk, its like that for photos

[little oracle]

Funny crash photo

[scenic briar]

This run is so scuffed bro (this was in the same concordia instance)

[leaden stag]

oil painful stinks but nice machine

[rough galleon]

ol painful is good for money lol

[scenic briar]

I've gotten like 3 painfuls since, mostly from bosses

[cosmic hare]

Matching grip Harold, so pretty 😍

And a matching barrel yoooooo

[opal ingot]

good money

[cosmic hare]

Still in TVHM so I'm definitely using it

Farmed a few extra Harolds to sell

[scenic briar]

how common are these⁉️

[rough galleon]

decently

[peak ether]

Increases with every save quit

So eventually very common

Assuming a session goes long enough

[scenic briar]

Just got one from return of captain chef too

I never knew about the save wuot thong but that checks out now, I save quit farmed quite a bit of stuff

[clear halo]

What do you mean?

Like if you keep save quitting you get more chances to get one of the unique blues

[peak ether]

Yes

The line of code that makes them drop gets reapplied every save quit

So the chances keep building up

[small dirge]

I'm experiencing an issue where Ive killed Dr Ned but it's not telling me what to do next

And I can't seem to find a teleport to leave the island

[tawdry shell]

did you jump down the hole

[small dirge]

Yes

I killed that thing to

[tawdry shell]

the teleport back to jakobs cove is at the end of the arena

like when you first drop down if you just keep walking stright forward

[small dirge]

Thanks

[wary sigil]

..........wut?

200% equals..........50%?

[tall surge]

maybe the +50% is refering to using a slag weapon on a slagged enemy?

whats the full text

where is it from

[wary sigil]

Wiki

Effectiveness

• The slag-coating effect lasts 8 seconds on normal enemies, and causes them to take +100% damage from non-slag sources. Slag damage has no bonuses or penalties against any non-slag elemental target. To compensate for the massive enemy health boosts in Ultimate Vault Hunter Mode, Slag lasts 15 seconds and causes enemies to take +200% damage (+50%) from non-slag sources. Further slag damage against slagged targets is increased by 50%.

• Slag only lasts for 1 second on certain raid bosses. Slag elementals and those immune to status effects also cannot be slagged.

https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/Slag#:~:text=Slag damage has no bonuses,targets is increased by 50%25.

[tall surge]

oh

the wiki isnt a very reliable source of information

[tall surge]

ok i guess the +50% is refering to how before UVHM enemies take 2x damage while slagged and in uvhm it goes up to 3x

weird way to word it

[wary sigil]

I was about to saz, I feel like I am doing triple damage, not double

I have literallz never used slag before

never once

[trim hinge]

uvhm was balanced around slag so its pretty essential u have a good slagging method when u get to it

[opal ingot]

ctrl shift

[wary sigil]

Ja, I got grog

Im grogging i

bruh I hate the dwarven allies mission

One thing I noticed is that my turret seems to not do any aditional damage. Is that intended?

[wary sigil]

omg I am so excited to eventuallz plaz TTWL and select pronouns

[wheat harbor]

straight up
grogging it

[wheat harbor]

maya losing out on her most powerful damage boost because UVHM is balanced around slag

its funny how ruin and scorn go from insane damage boosts to just
tools to make uvhm playable

[peak ether]

Grog is like okay as a slagging tool

Ideally you want smth else dedicated to slagging

Character skills, grenades, or some other slag gun

The main two slag guns everyone uses are the Slagga and Pimpernel

[cunning sable]

i only use the best slag tool

slag dahl miniguns

[rough galleon]

Money Shot without Inconceivable is weird but I guess it works cuz Jakob Shotgun

[lofty flame]

You should absolutely get Keep Firing

[rough galleon]

max out Out of Bubblegum over Ain't Got Time to Bleed

[wheat harbor]

generally want without since incon just cucks MS

nklok is basically useless if youre using shotguns

[rough galleon]

even with the off chance of multi MS or just too inconsistent?

[wheat harbor]

way too inconsistent

[rough galleon]

fair enough

[idle magnet]

That would make sense

[wheat harbor]

generally your two shot weapons are jakobs shotguns
which it cant happen with
and then anything over two is just bad odds

[idle magnet]

Okay to be honest tho, I only struggle with OMGWTH, the rest of the peak I can do fine

[rough galleon]

the glaze of Incon MS is too strong, I got stuck to such way of thinking LOL

[wheat harbor]

it actually doesnt
the calculation is bugged so it ends uo dividing the damage bonus by the pellet count twice

so an x18 shotgun gets
1/18th thr bonus

[lofty flame]

It works for Hoarder with some weapons but yeah, inconsistent

[rough galleon]

kinda why DPUH is worse on NKLOK Salv but people dont want to believe in this

[wheat harbor]

but theres also the fact that nklok works off a single instance of damage so shotguns are bad without thr bug

[leaden stag]

sniper salv

[wheat harbor]

its just exactly why

[leaden stag]

🦀

[wheat harbor]

less card damage and less knlok bonus

nklok wants big single hits

[leaden stag]

wouldnt orphan maker sorta work for it as the exception

[idle magnet]

Okay so what do I do then, do I just try again and shotgun it lol

Talking about omgwth as I said, the rest of the peak is fine

[rough galleon]

can try

[wheat harbor]

eehhhh
better off not investing that far into green

sal can be quite nicely tankky with red investment

[ebon vault]

How are these skill set ups so far for my Roland?

[rain cliff]

Looking Good!

I prefer Fitness over Aid Station

But overall very good

[ebon vault]

I'm considering respecing back to Fitness since I get pushed off my turret so easily solo

But I wanted to prioritize survivability before anything

[rain cliff]

Understandable

[ebon vault]

I mean, it worked lol

[tawdry shell]

i would drop grit and put it into fitness

[ebon vault]

I hardly go down, and if I do I can get myself up 9/10

[ebon vault]

may I ask why?

Oh 15% isn't too much is it :/

[tawdry shell]

never felt like it made a huge difference

[rain cliff]

Grit is fine

[tawdry shell]

plus it says it’s only bullet damage right?

so every other damage source is still the same

[rain cliff]

Would rather swap Aid Station for Fitness

[tawdry shell]

the extra health is a lot better imo

aid station is nice stacked with stat if your near your turret

[rain cliff]

I'm never near my turret so i don't benefit from Aid Station

[tawdry shell]

fair

i think grit would be better if it was just straight up damage resistance

aid station would be cool if it just gave the regen while the turret was active rather then being near it

[rain cliff]

So Stat?

[tawdry shell]

pretty much lol