bl1-2-tps-media

[wheat harbor]

oh yea

so its just recoil reduction

[leaden stag]

feels oddly good

[wheat harbor]

welcome to krieg

striker just kinda
mid

[leaden stag]

cool looking skin

all is forgiven

but yeah one or 2 steps closer with a conventional shotgun and striker gets kinda too outclassed

[rough galleon]

I wish Striker had higher pellets or base dmg

I love using that gun

[leaden stag]

still not as sad as scatterguns and longwinders

[trim hinge]

striker is supposed to be a sniper shotgun of sorts but then

[leaden stag]

those are genuinely fucking useless

[trim hinge]

OM does its job better

[leaden stag]

OM?

[rough galleon]

Orphan maker

[leaden stag]

ah right

Id go as far as saying stuff like omen, butcher, octo do better at range cause of the cheating pellets

[rough galleon]

And CC LOL

The range for CC is pretty good
And cant miss if the screen is filled with bullets

[wheat harbor]

its just
not really accurate enough

[leaden stag]

fairs

Ive found myself using thompson over the range Id normally try the striker

[tawdry shell]

yeah that’s usually the first wall weapon i buy in der riese, i keep it till i get all perks then swap it out for my 2nd box gun

[fair sluice]

Small lootsplosion

[jolly cliff]

Gub?

[trim hinge]

sure

[jolly cliff]

[fair sluice]

Almost perfect I think

[trim hinge]

whats the shield delay

[fair sluice]

Oh damn

7 seconds

[trim hinge]

so pangolin vladof

mid to bad

[fair sluice]

Doesnt matter I’m hellborn tree

[trim hinge]

why are you using a bee on krieg

its not gonna be up ever

[fair sluice]

I got it first try and I’m going for the grog nozzle

All three times

I don’t mean too

[leaden stag]

bank/clap stash

[fair sluice]

I gave one to my friend

[rustic nebula]

How do I get xp at level 48 in tvhm?

[trail surge]

Swap to uvhm 😅

[rustic nebula]

I don’t have it yet that’s why I need xp lol 😆

[trail surge]

Then play the story further

[rustic nebula]

How to beat Saturn

[rough galleon]

A lot of corrosive dmg would be ideal

Just dont bother with grenades or guns reliate on grenade dmg

[rustic nebula]

👍

[trail surge]

Would say the same. Farm for a corrosive gun and/or a Pandemic Grenade.
I can help you when I‘m at home if you like.

[sullen girder]

Grenades are awful for saturn

[trail surge]

Yes it is Longbow Pandemic worked but yes its pain 😂

[trim hinge]

when the big robot has like a 90% grenade resist

[trail surge]

Well then thats 10% dmg, everything helps.

[lofty flame]

Wouldn't it be better to just like

Shoot it with a regular gun

[valid fox]

yeah just a waste of grenades at that point

at most go with a tesla for constant healing when a moxxi weapon is out

[rough galleon]

me saying dont bother with grenades
you saying to get a pandemic

A brilliant play

Its funny cuz like
This exact scenario happened before but someone suggested the Fastball which was a far worse option lol

[leaden stag]

I throw teslas at saturn for moxxi healing

even then only if really needed

saturn is also one of the safest bosses to use bee against

[trail surge]

Well I killed him only with pandemics because I wanted to try it but thats long time ago.
I dont read everything in here so Idk and idc what you guys wrote before.
I was trying to help this other player, it worked for me back then…

Its not appreciated when you help and not if you dont… I see

[jolly cliff]

@rough galleon I need to respec because I’ve just been dumping skills for the last like 7 levels but everything is fine mobbing and bossing wise I don’t really know much when it comes to TPS builds

[rough galleon]

https://www.lootlemon.com/class-mod/crapshooter-nisha-tps
https://www.lootlemon.com/class-mod/six-shooter-nisha-tps

is how I would build in your level

can use Celestal if you want but more bang for buck comes from the other two COMs listed

would invest more into Trick Shot, Crack Shot and Tombstone when you get the points

[jolly cliff]

Thank you

[rough galleon]

is how I would build her at 70

[jolly cliff]

I’ll keep that image for if I get to that point

[rough galleon]

on that note, Celestal COM is pretty good on every VH if you do plan on playing the others

but generally there are stronger COMs like Storm on Athena, Howitzer on Wilhelm, Sapper on Fragtrap, and High Definition on Aurelia

[jolly cliff]

Right now I’m just focusing on my goal of collecting every unique Jakobs across the franchise and pretty much making Westen gunslinger builds across the games as well. Pretty excited for Deputy Sal as I’ve never really played Sal in endgame, always used Bloodsplosion to great benefit or played non Krieg friendly content with friends

@rough galleon Should I grab this?

[rough galleon]

works

personally i dont like being limited to one gun type when possible but if you are just using pistols
its a solid option

its also the fact Nisha's action skill is 15s so like
the cdr isnt needed

[jolly cliff]

If an on level Maggie would materialize I’d be chilling

[jolly cliff]

I’m an action skill kind of player though so I value it

[rough galleon]

unless maxed lvl
i wouldnt bother trying to farm anything that is world drop only

[jolly cliff]

Yeah but at the same time of if I had a stronger guns for eliminating EOS faster I’d reach my goal faster too but I’m only like 8 levels above it so the health still gets in the way of fast kills the multi shot of the Maggie would speed it up tbh

[rough galleon]

in fact
i wouldnt farm unless struggling in general but i know youre doing a collectathon

vendors and chests my guy

just use non uniques if you feel the dmg is lacking

[jolly cliff]

The Machine has been carrying in story boss fights so no worries

[rough galleon]

@steel lodge Jack too

[humble harbor]

One message removed from a suspended account.

[sullen girder]

Capping fps fixes this

[silver heath]

😭dudes too happy

[rough galleon]

Welcome to bl2
After 9 years of development
Hopefully its been worth the wait
My favourite class is Zer0

Thanks and have fun

[cunning sable]

No

[rough galleon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1098792632064417882.gif?size=160&quality=lossless

[mossy gyro]

What are the odds, was just speaking of one

[tawdry shell]

enhanced edition gift shop has insanely good loot

something something the awesome level is increased

[mossy gyro]

Yeah i just got an ogre aswell on the 2nd run

[tawdry shell]

so they typically give higher grade tier more often compared to regular chests

[mossy gyro]

Just need some decent shield now

[wheat harbor]

230 or something

craw is like
67

og gift shop is like
5

[tawdry shell]

goddamn that is a huge jump what the fuck

that seems like a such a weird change

you think at the very least they’d do something like that to craw

[wheat harbor]

but craw hard ):

[tawdry shell]

she craw on my mer till i ax

[leaden stag]

what

[rose dust]

@valid fox

[rough galleon]

Get Minds eye and Wreck over Quickening lol

~~You have a more points in Cataclysm than you need to reach Ruin
You can move some of those points into Quickening if desired

Points off Helios~~ nvm miscounted

[rose dust]

uhhh no yeah

i was about to say lmao

im working on getting a good classmod for now yeah

kinetic reflection seems good tho

and yeah i was thinking about dumping quickening

and maybe even inertia for now...

[trail surge]

I like flicker too but yes you have much points in cataclysm as EM is saying.
Yes was confused about helios 🙂
my bad

[rose dust]

no i dont, i have the minimum required

this thing SUCKS

[rough galleon]

I counted it again
Its 26 points, the bare min

Also flicker isnt needed lol

Its just...there

[rose dust]

i like foresight more yeah

also i could ditch kinetic reflection and get 11 suspension instead cuz i have a classmod with +6

[rough galleon]

Looks fine to use outside of mismatch elements idk

[rose dust]

seems good with Wreck

[trail surge]

Its not needed yes I just like it more then Helios

[rough galleon]

Synergizes well with Wreck

[trail surge]

But thats me

[valid fox]

try getting a real gun

[rose dust]

iunno how much weight helios actually pulls so, i could try flicker instead

[rose dust]

i said i picked up a random green jakobs rifle and it cleans house compared to the SMG

also can you be less passive aggressive lol

its just a videogame

[valid fox]

Im not at all but ok

a real gun would be a good unique or a legendary

[rough galleon]

Flicker is higher chance to apply x elemental DoT

DoT barely matters as you go to the endgame and Maya has Ruin, Cloud Kill and Helios to cover all 4 of the DoTs

Sure you can argue it helps apply slag when under lvled but Ruin is a 100% chance in every circumstance unless immune and other slagging methods tend to just apply it

But Flicker vs Helios are just both meh skills, but at least Helios does something

[rose dust]

sorry i cant read ppl through text

[valid fox]

I meant it genuienly, uvhm non unique guns stop working without making a proper build that knows what its doing

[rose dust]

i guess im just confused cuz u guys are giving me conflicting advice lol you can use anything you pick up while leveling any gun is good with slag - get a real gun like a unique or legendary

i will get a harold

[valid fox]

Those would be true for a skilled player that knows what theyre doing

[rose dust]

fair enough its my first UVHM run

[rough galleon]

A real gun is anything that can kill

Dont need an unique or legendary to do that realistically

Like non unique shotguns, plasma casters and the like can do fine

[rough galleon]

This isnt true.

Again
The big thing that helps people get through UVHM is just slag

Can make anything work

Will an unique gun be stronger, sure? But you can still use non uniques just fine from the 3x bonus which has nothing to do with being a "skilled player"

Elemental matching helps a lot too

A more "skilled player" with the right builds wouldnt need slag but its a great debuff to offset UVHM hp scaling which is why its highly suggested to all

Even more so in op lvls as Damage Resistance off level differences becomes more of a thing

[rough galleon]

TL;DR
Use uniques if you like
But dont feel limited to it
You can get through UVHM if you have something with slag

[valid fox]

i meant more so proper build and recognising good non uniques is a skill in itself

[rose dust]

that is true

i agree with both of you guys a bit, having played a ton of Path Of Exile and such

recognizing good items in ARPGs is part of the skill ceiling

i'll be fine, im good now

ill probably farm a harold but i got a few guns that work well now

[rough galleon]

Get MageSight
Done and done

[wheat harbor]

smgs are uh
kinda mediocre in 2
outside of specific ones

[rough galleon]

Trying to think of actually strong maliwan smgs either than plasma casters

[rose dust]

is minds eye actually good?

[rough galleon]

Crit and Chulainn?

Yes

[rose dust]

new build

[trail surge]

I agree to the endgame… DoT dmg does nothing if slag isnt applied to the target.
I still always go for flicker as i dont phaselock every enemy or its on cooldown and so on.
But yeah u are right ruin is 100% but u dont get/have ruin all the time.

[wheat harbor]

chulainn uh
exists?

ig free slag helps but
if youre already slagging its redundant

[rose dust]

also do most people play with UCP or vanilla??

if i want advice or such do i specify i play vanilla

[wheat harbor]

also dont forget
flicker only applies to guns

its not dot chance in general

[wheat harbor]

in general people will talk in context of vanilla

[tawdry shell]

majority of advice you'll get is for vanilla

[rough galleon]

Yeah so even worse of an option

[rose dust]

fair

[wheat harbor]

because theres plenty of console players here too

[tawdry shell]

since many folks don't know how to mod or they are on console

[wheat harbor]

or people just
dont like UCP

unofficial cheese patch

[wheat harbor]

and yea the splash being slag means you dont really get much out of it

[rose dust]

yeah ive heard some opinions on UCP

[rough galleon]

Slag and shock (-w-)b

But yeah
Still pretty medicore but was just thinking of it cuz it has bullet dmg to crit with

[rose dust]

i decided i wanna experience BL2 as it is

or any BL game for that matter

im really playing them all atm

yes even wonderlands

[wheat harbor]

good/batch touch is nice to have

[rose dust]

iirc only issue is you can only get bad touch once per playthrough

[wheat harbor]

mhm

[rough galleon]

Looks fine
Get the last point of Wreck and youre pretty much done investing into the Harmony tree

Can either go further down for Life Tap or move back to Motion
Also Warding is nice to pick up when applicable

[wheat harbor]

which is uh
the same issue all quest rewards have

[rough galleon]

Fair point

[wheat harbor]

how did i mistype bad as batch

combined bad and touch

[rough galleon]

Gatch

[wheat harbor]

gooch

[rose dust]

i might actually get a good touch since i have no self heal atm

[rose dust]

lifetap sounds really nice..

[tawdry shell]

goated skill

[rough galleon]

A new bl2 acronym incoming

Remember to get Gooch and Batch from Moxxi

[tawdry shell]

[wheat harbor]

lifetap is mega silly...

oh yea ill get a gooch from moxxi

[rose dust]

that moment when you cant decide whether your weapon is good or if cloudkill is carrying you

[rough galleon]

The only draw back is needing to kill but you basically have Grog Nozzle on demand

Take off the cloud kill
Ez solution

[rough galleon]

If single player
Sweet Release helps quite a bit too and less investment

Multiplayer and those orbs are very hit or miss

[rose dust]

yeah i might go sweet release over minds eye for now

man i love Maliwan guns so much, i hope their CEO is alive and well in Borderlands 3

[rough galleon]

yeah they are the antagonist

[rose dust]

yeah i was making a joke :v

also yeah nah the SMG is good, idk what the fuck i was smoking

[valid fox]

See if you can get an on level lascaux maybe

[rose dust]

oh yeah i used that thing on normal mode, should get it again

[ivory pewter]

Katagawa Sr. is very much alive and well, yes

[valid fox]

they fell off after gen 3

[rose dust]

WHY ARE THERE LIKE 50 MILLION BULLYMONGS

[lofty flame]

Theres a lot of spawn points for them in that area

[leaden stag]

you prolly alerted them by shooting too many stray bullets

they do hold grudges

[rose dust]

jesus fuck are bullymongs supposed to be this much trouble on uvhm

[leaden stag]

they are pretty fragile save for the toxic ones

[rose dust]

i think i just shouldnt use anything besides uniques and legendaries at this point

[leaden stag]

even then if you match elements and have high enough dps+ slag you can potentially breeze through them

[rose dust]

they aint cuttin it

[leaden stag]

blue weapons can work alright

its just greens that mostly dont do jack

[rose dust]

yeah greens are worthless lol

except jakobs greens, theyre alright

kinda reflects the corporations' ethics if you think about it

green Maliwan? you get garbage for poor people, shoulda bought a purple

green Jakobs? you get quality, boy

[leaden stag]

green jakobs work as a cope out cause bolt action sniper rifles are ass

and jakobs green shotties sometimes cause its just really stupid damage

[rose dust]

i was trying to play with mostly motion and harmony to see if cloudkill and ruin are carrying me

miserable experience

[leaden stag]

cloud kill is mostly to annihilate loaders and maybe ironclads

[rose dust]

but i suppose playing without a characters' most powerful abilities is just asking to get hurt

[leaden stag]

its kinda passive otherwise unless you slag sufficiently

[rose dust]

on the mode literally called ULTIMATE

[leaden stag]

well yeah naturally using worse skills makes the game harder

[rose dust]

well yeah i was just thinking that im being carried by my build, but then i realized that doing a blank character run with no action skill or passives would likely be very hard

so theres no shame in using strong skills

its an ARPG after all

[rough galleon]

you could just like, take them one at a time; stay near some cover and kite them, phaselock and use that Chain Reaction to slowly kill them all

you got Wreck now, use it

[leaden stag]

at that point yeah you might as well look for trickster class mods till you can snag lego siren

[rough galleon]

Blurred Trickster would be better to deal with a crowd

[leaden stag]

only other ones Id use are prolly cat and breakneck banshee for fleet sheannigans

[rough galleon]

Leg. Siren is great for more phaselocking but a 11/5 Chain Reaction can melt

[leaden stag]

I cant be arsed to use witch and the burn one

[lofty flame]

Fox

[tawdry shell]

better idea:

[lofty flame]

Quaint

[tawdry shell]

god that looks awful

anyways class mod redux my beloved

[lofty flame]

As god intended

[tawdry shell]

legendary shock trooper com went so hard with that mod

extra kill skill duration on axton

god bless

[rough galleon]

actually

@rose dust if you're struggling a lot and want to learn more on Siren
give this a read

Maya / Siren:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/17gqutA_GEFFvyV2W-kxoWVLf2TOLmFv9xkfBFVkF3uk/edit

they have skill/gear recommendations and might help you understand what to look for

[rose dust]

not really struggling rn

but thanku

[rose dust]

tinder snowflake is so fucking annoying, im not farming him

[lofty flame]

Just get a fire weapon that can crit and the fight is basically over

[rose dust]

hold on

[lofty flame]

That seems like a really underleveled gun

[rose dust]

i dont understand why he takes no damage

[lofty flame]

Grab Mind's Eye

[rose dust]

i dont think 35% is gonna change me doing 1 centimeter of his healthbar

[real oracle]

considering that gun already has 70%, yeah it wont

[rose dust]

ive been told hes a good farm for guns as you go through UVHM but idk what the point is since he has the healthbar of a raid boss

[real oracle]

do more damage

[lofty flame]

Id say try a Heartbreaker then

[real oracle]

nvm wrong game

[lofty flame]

Go back in tvhm and do the Safe and Sound side quest

Or try farming another loot source like a chest for an incendiary sniper for example

[rose dust]

i dont need guns, i was just

okay so i went there to farm, then i was like what the fuck hes immortal

[rough galleon]

hes not

[rose dust]

then i went to get a sandhawk and bee shield since anything i do progresses me towards level 80 so why not

i literally tried a sandhawk, bee shield and even an unkempt harold against him

he is fucking invincible, its lunacy

[rough galleon]

if he was invincible
people wouldnt recommend him to farm now would they?

[lofty flame]

Ive had no issues with snowman in the past

[rose dust]

explain this video, normal build, on level incendiary SMG

is my game just cursed

[lofty flame]

Seems like Good Touch isn't the best choice for the fight

Try another incendiary weapon

With higher damage

[rough galleon]

the hp is going down

[rose dust]

15 minute fight to get mostly green guns and 10 eridium, splendid reccomendation

also his attacks are super hard to dodge, so its unlikely i wouldve won anyways

[trim hinge]

did you open the snowman chest

[rose dust]

the what

[trim hinge]

the thing with lots of loot

train chest

[rose dust]

yes

[trim hinge]

alright

[rose dust]

its a good farm but not if the boss takes fucking forever to die

is my point

[trim hinge]

ur doing sum wrong then

[rose dust]

ill just get a better incendiary i guess

[trim hinge]

usually snowman doesnt last 30 seconds tops

[rough galleon]

with more crit dmg and Wreck for the fire rate
it would be faster

add Bone of the Ancients fire, better dmg COM and unique guns, it will be even faster

[rose dust]

the issue is advertising the farm as an easy loot source for a struggling UVHM player (im not struggling in general anymore)

[rough galleon]

they just started UVHM and dont have Mind's Eye

[lofty flame]

It is an easy farm

[rough galleon]

Maya just doesnt have much dmg up skills from skills alone

you would need some gear to compensate if you want to kill in a faster time but if you can kill it
then it helps for future gearing

[rose dust]

i guess my issue is that i find most of his attacks ridiculously hard to dodge

so if i dont kill him in the first 10 seconds, i am not killing higm

im practicing now however and its becoming easier

i figured out the timing on his stupid fucking charge attack where he goes flat

[rough galleon]

hug a wall or go near the entrance to ignore some attacks

honestly tho
farm a red chest if you think snowman isnt worth the time

[lofty flame]

He just kinda breaks when you go on certain spots

[rough galleon]

its less loot per run but still have a similar loot pool

[rose dust]

i just need to learn how to fight him and get minds eye, hold om

ok well standing at the entrance completely breaks the fight and i can now kill him easily

uhhh, thank you, gentlemen

[rough galleon]

crazy how that works

[rose dust]

sorry for being rude, was just getting very frustrated

[rough galleon]

generally how it goes

cant wait to see how you deal with actual raid bosses lol

[rose dust]

i dont think clearly when im frustrated so i just didnt see that part

[rose dust]

i mean im prepared for those actually requiring significant preparation

[rough galleon]

yet bl2 is harold as "one of the best games of all time"

[rose dust]

it wasnt really the snowman himself that frustrated me but the mismatch between my experiences and others

[rough galleon]

nothing can really prepare you for Vora

[lofty flame]

Legit Gee kinda can

[rough galleon]

at least doing it as a legitimate fight

[rose dust]

people telling me one thing and then me experiencing another drives me nuts lol, but yeah i get it now

[rough galleon]

Gee isnt as fast and rapid at attacking

but as tedious
fair

[lofty flame]

its just as asinine

[rose dust]

also i heard Maya isnt the best at bossing, so

i am drawn to the two shittiest at bossing characters in the game, maya and krieg, lmao

[lofty flame]

Maya just has like no gun damage

[rough galleon]

again
skill wise, doesnt bring much to the table

[lofty flame]

Krieg has a LOT of it but needs a lil bit to set it up

[rose dust]

i do not like salvador's personality or design, i would like to play him but ehhhh

i think the reason Axton and Salvador werent present in BL3 at launch is because nobody cares about them

and everyone cares about Maya and Zero

[rough galleon]

salv is one of the most popular bl2 characters lol

[lofty flame]

Sal only works because this game wasn't designed with dual wield in mind AT ALL

[rose dust]

i know, but nobody cares about HIM, they love his gameplay.

[rough galleon]

more than half of his bugs are cuz of his gunzerk

[rose dust]

what im saying is that if you decouple sal from his gameplay he is a very boring CHARACTER

[lofty flame]

I dont think he has anything specific outside of gunzerk

[rose dust]

same with Axton

i honestly think of Zero, Maya, Krieg and Gaige as BL2's true full cast

[rough galleon]

axton is interesting

[lofty flame]

I barely pay attention to characters in this game so i always go off of gameplay

[rose dust]

fair enough ig

[rough galleon]

man did war crimes
had a wife who fired him cuz of such
stole the dahl turrets and now just looking for something interesting to do which was the vault

salv just killed cuz killing bad guys is fun

tho i am curious in what circumstance did he turn to cannibalism but i guess its better not to know

[rose dust]

i guess i just personally dont care about them

[lofty flame]

He just does that

[rough galleon]

ye

#justSalvthing

[rose dust]

dual wielding is fun tho, i just have an aversion to play characters whose design i do not enjoy

ive been playing TPS as Nisha

i love the dual wielding with her

[lofty flame]

Tps is a much more fun game overall imo

[rose dust]

and i actually really like Nisha herself

i love TPS

[rough galleon]

tps is just the better game

[rose dust]

TPS has amazing characters, i wish someone modded them into 2

are you guys being sarcastic or

TPS seems to have a mixed following

on account of being unfinished

i enjoy every BL game tbf

[lofty flame]

No, people who say otherwise are just bl2 fanboys who cant handle criticism of their (very much not) perfect game

[rough galleon]

i genuinely find tps to be my fav borderlands game

[lofty flame]

I like 3 a little bit more but thats just because theres more to do

[rough galleon]

tho tbf
i havent played bl3 as much
i still enjoyed tps more than bl3 from the time ive played

[long solar]

Bl3 is my favorite 🗣️🔥

[rose dust]

fair enough, my situation is i havent played BL since i was like 15 years old (im 20 now) so ive decided to revisit the series by wiping all my saves and going through the series

[lofty flame]

Bl2 also has more but it isnt nearly as interesting content

[rose dust]

i didnt even know what an endgame was back then so im having a blast re-experiencing it all and actually getting to max level and endgame

i did BL1, but did not kill Crawmerax, i might do it later

then i did TPS, then 2

but before that i played alot of 3

[tawdry shell]

crawmerax is so cool

[lofty flame]

Lober

[tawdry shell]

one of the best designed raids

[rose dust]

playing 2 after TPS was interesting, storywise

[rough galleon]

credit given as due

bl2 pre uvhm doesnt have much flaws gameplay wise

[tawdry shell]

the void jailer

[rose dust]

i have a TVHM starting level Athena and Nisha in TPS, are the other characters fun?

[rough galleon]

so if people enjoy bl2 nvhm and tvhm the most
i cant argue with that

[lofty flame]

All of them are

[rough galleon]

yes

[rose dust]

i dont really need much besides UVHM, an arena and the one DLC to enjoy myself tbh, i love that 2 and 3 have extensive endgames and i'll do them but TPS' shortened endgame dfoesnt bother me that much

[lofty flame]

Even if you could you'd run into some pretty big roadblocks like Aurelia, slam related skills and lasers

[rough galleon]

shame cuz tps uvhm is when the game shines

[rose dust]

tho i did notice that in TPS, drops and guns themselves feel severely nerfed atleast in nvhm, they reload much much slower and you have to use the grinder alot (which i actually like!)

TPS was actually fairly damn hard for me, but i enjoy difficulty, resistance makes the RPG mechanics meaningful

[rose dust]

also this is likely to compensate for the immensely powerful characters

Nisha's showdown is fucking insane

[rough galleon]

the later third or quarter of tps campaign
the difficulty spikes

uvhm having dynamic levels fixes this

[rose dust]

why shame?

i cant wait for TPS UVHM

[lofty flame]

My only gripe with the tps campaign is the robot army questline

[rose dust]

even Wilhelm?

[rough galleon]

yes

all of them are strong in their own right

[rose dust]

is his cyborg stuff actually viable?

i love the shoulder canon thing

[rough galleon]

yes.

[lofty flame]

Yes

[rose dust]

oh sweet, i somehow heard that it doesnt scale well??? idk where

[lofty flame]

It can get silly with a few interactions

[rough galleon]

i can give you a run down but people thinking he doesnt do dmg just dont play him right lol

[rose dust]

do explain

i very much love the concept

[rough galleon]

its a pretty solid fire rocket that matches your current weapon's fire rate

[rose dust]

is his power fist good?

[lofty flame]

Or just are of that "soldier dude = bad" mentality

[rough galleon]

so use the red capstone for faster fire rate for 10s and watch shit blow up

[lofty flame]

It can disintegrate anything that can be frozen

[rough galleon]

meh

[rose dust]

its also an issue i have with Timothy, apparently his wrist cannon attack isnt good? i really like wrist cannons

[opal ingot]

why's mine dealing explosive

[rough galleon]

its an empowered punch but much more interesting things in his kit

[rose dust]

i mean tbh i could use those things just for the spectacle of it, theyre just so badass

[rough galleon]

the blue capstone should be fire
vengeance cannon right?

[opal ingot]

yes

[lofty flame]

I think the amount of skillpoints you get allows for it

[rose dust]

my favorite weapons in fiction are wristblades, wristguns, shoulder cannons, theyre so rare in videogames lmao

its part of why i love Zane

[lofty flame]

You're gonna love atlas in bl3 then

[rough galleon]

https://www.lootlemon.com/skill/vengeance-cannon-wilhelm

its fire

[opal ingot]

mine deals explosive idk my game's bugged

[lofty flame]

Deserved?????

[opal ingot]

lol

[rough galleon]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

never had it be explosive for me

[rose dust]

ive already gotten Zane to Mayhem 10 before starting my marathon, so

actually do love Atlas

[lofty flame]

Its a pretty good manufacturer

I love when clicks dont register

[rough galleon]

its funny cuz all the soldiers in borderlands are solid or even strong in their own right lol

[rose dust]

also do enemies give less XP in UVHM???? are you supposed to level up from quests?

[rough galleon]

who know being simple can be strong

[rose dust]

i do not think there is any weak BL playable character

[rough galleon]

they do

[rose dust]

hm...

oh okay

[serene escarp]

Common XP farming spots

• Rabid Skags - Arid Nexus Badlands, max 15 skags around the first area near the fast travels

• Mick Zaford - At the end of the Clan Wars questline. The easiest farm, and drops the Maggie to make farming easier

• Mutated Badass Varkids - Have to have the Mighty Morphin quest active, and make sure you don't complete it

• Saturn - if you can get enough damage to make it consistent. Can be used to cap off a run of the rabid skags as well.

• Uranus - Easy legendaries while farming

[rough galleon]

half of those arent related to side quests

[lofty flame]

There isnt

[rose dust]

i think ill reset my UVHM run (because ive already gotten a sandhawk on this one and ive only just gotten to sanctuary)

and ill do the entire main quest and sidequests that dont give you unique guns

and thats how ill get to 80

[rough galleon]

generally when people think that
a youtuber told them that and they cba to learn how the character works themselves

[rose dust]

i do not like gaming youtubers for this reason

in any community

HEY GUYS THIS IS BIGDICK69 HERE WITH ANOTHER VIDEO EXPLAINING WHY YOU SHOULD ADOPT EVERY ONE OF MY OPINIONS AS FACT AND WHY THIS CHARACTER IS FUCKING TRASH BECAUSE I PERSONALLY DONT LIKE THEM

THIS CLASS ISNT META SO ITS TRAAASH

every game has this

[rough galleon]

like yt made people who play bl1 think Lilith is the strongest in that game when she is just the most consistent dps wise

[rose dust]

shes my favorite because phasewalk is so fun, also i love sirens and i love lilith as a character

i gotta play the others

Brick is next on my list

[lofty flame]

Mordi just has like BEEEG damage

[real oracle]

it's kinda weird bl1 only has one vault hunter

at least it's roland but

[rough galleon]

had a little talk with Ameko on that

and about Brawn Deputy Salv with Zeta

[rough galleon]

nah
Amara

[real oracle]

TRUE

[lofty flame]

Well it has none now since he fucking died

[rough galleon]

borderlands only had Amara

[real oracle]

amara was in bl1,,, for sure

[lofty flame]

I remember it

[real oracle]

see me punching!

[rough galleon]

mhmm
hidden character

[lofty flame]

Not even hidden she just.....
Right there

[rough galleon]

https://tenor.com/view/alert-warning-exclamation-point-red-circle-gif-17252518

[rose dust]

i do really love UVHM tbh

it feels like such a different game

i like that it slows down enough to let the enemy design shine and make you actually think about fighting them instead of just blasting them apart to death in 1 second before they can do anything

i dont think ARPGs should be breakneck fast like Path Of Exile

hell, even the devs of that game think that since POE2 will be significantly slower pacved

[ivory pewter]

Sorry, reflexive response

[rose dust]

elaborate

[rough galleon]

Flickerstrike

i rest my case your honor

[rose dust]

i hate that it looks so fun but only works at such a high budget

[ivory pewter]

I absolutely do not agree that an ARPG shouldn't be incredibly fast paced if you design the game in a way that facilitates said pacing well. Which PoE 1 absolutely does

And I don't think it's reasonable to use PoE 2's pacing as an example to back up an argument against fast pacing. PoE 1 wasn't breakneck paced at its launch either, it's a meta/game style that evolved and developed over time

[rose dust]

i hate that PoE endgame essentially becomes a chinese mobile game

[ivory pewter]

??????

[rose dust]

you literally calculate profit per hour, its like a full time job lmao

its still super fun, i love PoE

i play every league

[ivory pewter]

No one makes you play like that, I sure don't

[rough galleon]

i did that Maplestory LOL

[rose dust]

me neither, but i will also never use a mageblood in my life, or any of the super powerful fun items

which is why i actually enjoy singleplayer arpgs more

[rough galleon]

so if you dont have to play it like a full time job
why are you using it as an argument?

[rose dust]

i do not think its inherently bad, and i did forget to mention PoE 1 gradually sped up

[rose dust]

i dont know, sorry, im really dumb today

[ivory pewter]

I mean: if you don't think something should be a certain way it kind of implies that you think something is wrong with how it currently is, you know?

Even if that's not necessarily what you meant to imply or convey

[rose dust]

PoE just frustrates me alot more than other games

i like it in small doses

i PERSONALLY like my arpgs slower paced, PoE becomes super button mashy and repetitive, where you dont even look at the enemies or care what they are

and i personally always feel like i have to play PoE fucking perfectly and have a perfect build but even if i do, something will oneshot you anyways

[rough galleon]

considering you were frustrated from snowman earlier
i assume you get mad easily

[rose dust]

and if you want to do any of the endgame bosses prepare to grind 2000 bimblo stones to create 1 bongo obelisk

[ivory pewter]

I think you might just be a little jaded

[rose dust]

i am

PoE's community annoyed me really badly this league i guess

no matter how good of an item you buy, its always not good enough

the level of eagle-eyed mercantile talent you need to buy a good item for your character is fucking insane

[ivory pewter]

Well, there's your mistake. Don't interact with the community outside of trading or paid services

Seriously

[rose dust]

and its always like

1 good stat - 1 scroll
2 good stats - 1 chaos
3 good stats - 1 divine
4 good stats - 5439658347809645879674895 mirrors

poetrade in a nutshell

[rose dust]

no, we're just on that kind of topic

extrapolating such a thing based on knowing me for 15 minutes and knowing i got mad at 2 (two!) things is a surefire way to make me mad tho

[rough galleon]

unfort

[tawdry shell]

nite

[ivory pewter]

Reasonable, but sometimes you really can get a good idea of someone's personality or tendencies from interacting with them for like 5-15 minutes online

Not to say that's the case here, but it definitely happens

[rose dust]

sorry for getting snarky but based on your limited message history i can deduce that you are an italian american living in new york selling hotdogs on times square and attending ballet lessons on the weekends

[rough galleon]

how did you know!?

[tawdry shell]

living the dream

[lofty flame]

Check your walls

[rose dust]

i live in your walls

[ivory pewter]

I am, in fact, an Italian American who lives in New York

None of the other stuff, though

I know that wasn't directed at me, but it's just comically accurate

[tawdry shell]

• secret ballet dancer

why'd it put a dot

[ivory pewter]

I'm not elastic enough for ballet

[rose dust]

fair enough i suppose

[tawdry shell]

[lofty flame]

Space i guess

[rose dust]

ive been in a bad mood for most of today also, so, iunno, whatever

[lofty flame]

Why he angy

Who did this

[rose dust]

ANYWAYS im not saying i hate PoE's pacing i just enjoy that UVHM lets enemies' special characteristics shine

[tawdry shell]

economic inflation

[rose dust]

since they have enough time and space to perform their little routine

[lofty flame]

I would be too

[rose dust]

and i personally find PoE past red maps insanely grindy and i mostly stop playing once i get to red maps and get to around level 94-95, but by that point ive already had a ton of fun so its alright

[rough galleon]

bold of you to assume i have walls in this economy

[rose dust]

i quit and then do it again with 1 or 2 characters/builds next league, thats how i play PoE

[ivory pewter]

Well: if you end up trying PoE 2, I hope it'll be more to your liking

GGG seems to very strongly be putting emphasis on less blindly quick pacing alongside letting unique aspects of monsters and enemies show more

[rose dust]

and im glad that PoE 2 is gonna be slower

i do not doubt that PoE 2's endgame will also be grindy as hell

[ivory pewter]

[rose dust]

but that probably wont prevent me from enjoying it up until i hit that wall

just like poe 1

[ivory pewter]

The company is named Grinding Gear Games

[rose dust]

true

but yeah my favorite ARPGs are singleplayer with co-op like Grim Dawn and Borderlands

thats acceptable levels of grindyness to me

grinding isnt bad, PoE is just overkill to me

[tawdry shell]

was wondering why ARPG sounded so familiar

[ivory pewter]

I will never tolerate or enjoy the Borderlands grind because it's insanely boring by modern standards

[tawdry shell]

i used this mod a while back
https://www.nexusmods.com/borderlands2/mods/179

[rose dust]

arent you on a borderlands discord

i suppose you can play BL without grinding at all

[ivory pewter]

What of it

[lofty flame]

We can criticize the game for the flaws it has

[rose dust]

fair enough

[tawdry shell]

i've found bl playthroughs more fun without the usual dedicated drop farming for the most part

part of why i like the blassic mod so much

i get my good gear from defeating raids and looting

[rose dust]

thats fair, i actually really love the grinder in TPS

it makes me think so much more about what i pick up and sell and keep

[ivory pewter]

I like the concept of it, and very much hope to see it expanded upon

[rose dust]

i know people are like NOOOO! MY DEDICATED DROPS! but i dont know why losing the opportunity to kill the same enemy 200 times until they drop a thing is so bad to these people

[ivory pewter]

Because some people have non-jokingly stockholmed themselves into thinking it's good game design and pleasant gameplay

[lofty flame]

If the enemy in question was an interesting and engaging fight i can understand to some degree, but that is rarely the case

[rough galleon]

or wasnt a huge hp bloat with not much ways to increase your own dps

[tawdry shell]

the only time i heavily farm for a dedicated is with the hybrids mod now

that idea feels soemwhat better for the usual method

[rose dust]

thats why i dont get why people hate on TPS for only having 1 raid boss, dont you just melt them in half a second anyways??

[tawdry shell]

get the legendary through any other means, want a slightly better version then you farm a much rarer drop of it

[tawdry shell]

lack of content

[rough galleon]

cuz as interesting some raid bosses are
their hp doesnt justify it

[rose dust]

yeah but

[tawdry shell]

oh wait just the raid part

[lofty flame]

Hell i spent a lot of time rerunning maliwan takedown not because i was looking for a Moonfire or Kybs Worth, but because Wotan is just a fun as fuck fight

[tawdry shell]

i think probably cause there was a bunch of raids in the game previous lol

[rough galleon]

tps raid boss has 7 phases

its sentinel on crack

[rose dust]

if you take a character through NVHM.... then TVHM... then UVHM and the DLC, and do some holodome, and get some legendaries you like along the way....

dont you kinda feel done?

i would...

time to move on, play something else

[rough galleon]

i do
some people grind for parts

[tawdry shell]

even if it is just shooting a big sponge, it's nice shooting a different sponge with some slightly different gear

i love bl1 craw but even then i wish there was some other raids i could hunt after occasionally

[rose dust]

fair enough, i guess TPS' content is just... enough, to me

[lofty flame]

Id run some other things like EOS or the arena before him

[tawdry shell]

sadly none of the custom maps i found had any custom raids

there was a big skag in one tho

[lofty flame]

Beeg fella

[tawdry shell]

i sent it here a while ago lemme find it

[rough galleon]

beeg smella

[rough galleon]

"Whatup dudes, guys, Ive just modded bl3 to be better now! world drops has been nerfed and now theres more dedicated drops across the board!"

[ivory pewter]

[lofty flame]

I got the "ARs are the worst weapons in bl2" crowd mad on reddit yippie

[tawdry shell]

the guy !!!!

[lofty flame]

Oh he big

[tawdry shell]

god i wish i could explore those maps for the first time again

[rough galleon]

i genuinely thought that until i used more ARs than SMGs lol

[tawdry shell]

some of the most fun i had on bl in a long time

[lofty flame]

Smgs get like what? 4 or 5 above average choices at endgame?

[rose dust]

i feel like when i try the other characters in 2 i'll just make a level 30 character, would i be missing out on anything this way? i dont find the idea of doing 2 playthroughs for each of them that exciting....

[tawdry shell]

orc supremacy

[tawdry shell]

all you do is skip normal mode so not really anything important

[rose dust]

yeah, starting out at TVHM sounds fun

[tawdry shell]

well you still have to kill the warrior in normal

[rose dust]

you can try out any of the 3 skilltrees and figure out how the character works until you get to UVHM

[tawdry shell]

but then it's stright to tvhm

[rose dust]

yeah but that doesnt take long

yeah

[tawdry shell]

heros pass is really quick when you learn how to skip it all

[rough galleon]

basically
people even considered it to be just plasma casters and sandhawk

[rose dust]

TVHM is like a warmup run in that case, and i enjoy that

[tawdry shell]

like 3 different spots you can learn and just avoid all combat entirely

[rose dust]

i really like that in BL3 too, you do one playthrough and youre in endgame

[lofty flame]

Crazy

[rose dust]

one playthrough -> UVHM/Mayhem is fun

normal -> TVHM -> UVHM is not, personally

i did it on Maya, but that was my first time replaying the game since like 2015

[tawdry shell]

i don't mind it personally

i always find the early game fun

[rough galleon]

me too

nvhm and tvhm are much more fun for bl2

[rose dust]

i do too but i kinda had my fill with how many new characters ive been starting in the series lately

[rough galleon]

my headspace is the first two playthroughs are for weird experimental builds
uvhm is solely for leveling

[rose dust]

just kinda wanna cut to the chase when it comes to BL2's cast

can you boost characters in TPS too? i didnt pay attention

[rose dust]

when you put it like that....

[tawdry shell]

bl1 has the best early game imo

[sturdy kraken]

new run with krieg :3

[tawdry shell]

going from fyrestone all the way through dahl headland is such a blast

[rough galleon]

kinda
just not as much options

if you mean to 30 like ffs
no

[rose dust]

ffs?

oh right, the lilith dlc

yeah i like Borderlands' early games alot, and ARPGs in general, and games in general

im just overfed with them lately

starting on TVHM sounds like a blast

i liked TVHM

but ill think ab it ig, i could always wait until im hungry for an earlygame experience again and start them off at level 1

just wont binge those 2 playthroughs like i did Maya

take it in chunks

is subsequence good? seems super strong with converge and ruin

[rough galleon]

EHHHH, its a mixed bag

its great on anything that it can actually reach

surveyors and rakks can outspeed it LOL

[lofty flame]

It also cant go through solid objects

[rough galleon]

I LOVE WHEN IT GETS STUCK IN A CORNER
WEEEE

[lofty flame]

Subsequence is Phasephlare stupider cousin

[tawdry shell]

^ my biggest issue with it

same problem that bloodwing has in bl1

luckily there's a fix for that now

fix for bloodwing, not subsequence from what ive seen :p

[lofty flame]

I loved going into the arenas with my little brother and seeing who could one shot the other first with bloodwing

[tawdry shell]

i remember me and my brother doing that but with launchers

he woud always cheat and just phasewalk over to me

[lofty flame]

Seing a Mongol being shot from across the map was one of the most dread inducing experiences of my life

[opal ingot]

what if drunk mongol

[wheat harbor]

death

[lofty flame]

Arenas in bl2??? How novel

[tawdry shell]

i got a speed kill of terra with a quadruple drunk mongol barrage on axton

[lofty flame]

Im sure you almost killed your pc as well

Or whatever you were playing on

[tawdry shell]

oh yeah it was awful

[opal ingot]

i should try that on krieg someday

but i've never played bl2 so

[rose dust]

having issues with survivability on maya...

also what is the best way to apply slag

im guessing a grenade

besides phaselock that is

i also know about lifetap but im like level 53 i cant stretch my points that far while still being able to do damage

i could try a different build i had in mind..

god dude, some enemies melt me down in under a second

i really need a better source of slag cuz trying to get enemies slagged with my stupid ass vladof pistol is whats getting me killed tbh

got a slag bullet grenade, already a huge improvement

[rough galleon]

use a Moxxi gun or a stronger shield if you need more survivabilty

plus Ward exists

and Kinetic Reflection, Inertia etc

[wheat harbor]

slag transfusions or betties are a great option
if you go deep middle you can grab scorn

[rose dust]

yeah i gotta refocus my build, too much offense too little defense

[rose dust]

dramatic improvement

[sullen totem]

No thoughtlock gaming sadge

[trim hinge]

no reaper

:<

[rose dust]

am level 53

also i will try Thoughtlock soon

[rough galleon]

really good if you want things off you

basically an enmity wash/provoke if you played other games with tanking

[sullen totem]

I love thoughtlock

One of the most aggressive ways to play Maya

[rough galleon]

Thats how i usually play her lol

[trim hinge]

if thoughtlock actually worked with chain reaction i would use it more

[cunning sable]

Why are you locking your thoughts though
Are she stupid

[rough galleon]

She stupid

[rough galleon]

ngl, Ive never noticed it not working

was trying with BNK-3R just now and realized that it is an issue >.>

[mossy gyro]

Okayy, next crash issue, as i press play game 😂

Deleting all movie files worked ;)

[leaden stag]

I agree, where reaper

[rough galleon]

considering they are struggling to just live
I think its fine to be more defensive

it will be slower kills per encounter but could live through it

[opal tundra]

I wonder how long this thing is gonna last me

[cunning sable]

Gone immediately

[opal tundra]

Gone, reduced to cash

[opal tundra]

I might've finally found something better

Someone who knows more about the damage calculation in this game, tell me if this is better than my explosive sniper rifle

[tawdry shell]

i mean

just shoot an enemy and see which does more lol

i imagine the explosive one varies since i don't think it procs evey time, but the number the shows up from hitting an enemy doesn't lie

[opal tundra]

i checked
The explosive one did more damage to Sledge, but the other one is just better

doesn't matter because I just got a better version of that exact sniper rifle anyways

slightly less damage, but a higher magazine size and +200% critical hit damage

[bold marsh]

finally this happened the other day

[opal tundra]

so many colors

[bold marsh]

yeah lol

[leaden stag]

peako

[opal tundra]

Hell yeah

[silver heath]

Graphics r crazy

[bold marsh]

wdym

[silver heath]

Yea

[tawdry shell]

W

rip the mag tho

[opal tundra]

I'm never this lucky usually

[rough galleon]

@real oracle

[real oracle]

this one is for varkid pods yes

that, or the dump truck

that has the badass varkid in it

but like i said, case by case basis

[rough galleon]

so when making a Super Badasses Varkid from reading this

it has a 5% chance to be a tubby?

[real oracle]

uhh it might be a weight not a chance

so 0.5/1.05

[rough galleon]

HMMMM that's annoying

[real oracle]

it's fucking stupid

they call weights probabilities a lot

which are completely different mathematically

weights lead to probability 💀

and many other things

[rough galleon]

/playdead

kinda annoying how it doesnt seems like all the lines of code are under Behavior_AISpawn

like Skag isnt really marked yet fucking TERRA OCCUPIES 32 LINES OF CODE

[opal tundra]

I feel like I'm going crazy, how have I gotten 3 legendaries in one day

[rough galleon]

Gaming

[opal tundra]

Oh sorry guys I must've been playing 3 by mistake

[tawdry shell]

1’s legendary rates always felt the best in the series imo

not too common but not super easy either

can kinda build around non-unique stuff and then suddenly get a nice boost from a random legendary

granted that also heavily depends on the actual piece of gear you get cause most non-uniques are already busted but still

[cunning sable]

ok then Michael

WHAT

[wheat harbor]

holy shit

[cunning sable]

OK ITRS RUBBERIZED BUT

I hit mostly a win for most these
The downs were a bad sheild, bad sniper and bad smg

Marcus gave me a shock vladof spingun

[leaden stag]

trashberized

[tawdry shell]

god why couldn’t they have just worked like they did in 1

[trim hinge]

rubberized nades are pretty fiye in bl3

[long solar]

Fish

[trim hinge]

well yes

[cunning sable]

Whats a fish
Never heard

Must be the worst thing ever

[real oracle]

im convinced you and blue knight are turning into the same person slowly

[long solar]

Nuh uh

[real oracle]

your pfp looks like an emote he'd use

[long solar]

Nah

[tawdry shell]

i don’t have any tf2 emotes

[real oracle]

yeah but the quality checks out smh

[real oracle]

they're just better bl1 grenades

[long solar]

It's bad quality cuz it's funnie

[real oracle]

bl1 rubberized were p cool too

[tawdry shell]

they were so goated

same with the bouncing betties

those went insanely hard on close quarters maps

get a fire one before sledges safe house and just a few grenades can take out nearly the whole map it feels

[opal tundra]

Okay so make that five legendaries in one day now

[tawdry shell]

the

the goddamn

[wheat harbor]

is that the ttaodk standalone head?

[tawdry shell]

iirc it’s one of zero’s heads

[wheat harbor]

ah

[tawdry shell]

i have the unlocked head and skin customization mod on

[rough galleon]

Blue Knight Face Reveal

[glossy crescent]

https://tenor.com/view/seinfeld-jerry-ok-gif-3504180789362491995

[opal tundra]

I'm so glad my luck has carried over from my BL1 playthrough

[hybrid steppe]

And bandit grip for max mag size? Niiiice

[wheat harbor]

luck is when you farm the dedicated drop and get the dedicated drop?

[hybrid steppe]

Indeed

Well actually no it’s just luck

[wheat harbor]

i mean
its not really luck

[hybrid steppe]

I’d say praying is the best way to ensure you get a dedicated but god hates me for specially a Harold

[tawdry shell]

im guessing it was probably their first kill?

might've just been doing the mission

[wheat harbor]

ah maybe

then luck

[tawdry shell]

yuh

[opal tundra]

Yeah I was doing the mission

[hybrid steppe]

And my worst luck.. 4 STRAIT DAYS.. for one shock sand hawk that wasn’t even perfect parts

[rough galleon]

I mean, Blood Bath alone makes it strong

that said
what are you building towards? gun dmg or melee?

Krieg / Psycho:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RIIZ5IVaDBtxKdcBdd-SiudTUgTVwuNa88Zi-qVSIOI/edit

you can get ideas/suggestions/recommendations from this guide if you are willing to give it a read

which isnt hard to proc cuz some guns have grenade dmg such as a lot of torgue weapons

and there's some pretty good Novas; FotF is pretty decent

TVHM+, you just need to be mindful of second winds only giving 90% shield so uh, dont go down or take cover if you do LOL

then use your nade

or dont take blood bath if you truly think its too hard to proc

Im telling you from experience its not.

uh huh.

I guess 250%+ Gun Damage is pretty useless.

[trim hinge]

of course

(clueless)

[wheat harbor]

or just
launcher

[rough galleon]

it can

[wheat harbor]

like
one launcher shot.

bandit launchers go dummy hard

dont try with tediore

but yea
find squishy enemy
obliterate with launcher
delete everything else

[rough galleon]

try UVHM where enemies have a lot of hp

its more for chaining kills

[wheat harbor]

well
you cant use the launcher forever
and grenades are also limited

the launcher is for getting the kill skill active

then in the 7+ second window you use other things for kills

[rough galleon]

isn't if you have the dmg for it

but yes, slag is recommended if you are new to making builds/gear and whatnot

esp for OP lvls since the DR is just stupid

also if you want mixed gun and melee dmg

something like this can work but uhhhhh mixed is a weird build

[wheat harbor]

yes

[rough galleon]

did you read the gun dmg boost?

[wheat harbor]

thats bloodsplosion

[rough galleon]

Bloodsplosion

that one is more QoL

it can also proc Blood Bath btw

Quality of Life

helps with mobbing

both

[wheat harbor]

wut?

[rough galleon]

takes out nearby enemies
any overkill dmg is converted to the next bloodsplosions to nearby enemies
this can multiply

less overkill dmg
the less dmg the bloodsplosion chains would do

[hybrid steppe]

You literally do quintillion amounts of damage with bloodsplosion if you stack it enough

[rough galleon]

depends on your overkill dmg

how much dmg you did MORE than the remaining hp of who you killed

[wheat harbor]

bloodsplosion is not just overkill damage
is (skill damage formula + overkill) * (1 + 0.05*bloodlust stacks)

neither

[rough galleon]

oh shit, *6 LOL

[wheat harbor]

killing an enemy creates an explosion at the dead enemy's location

100

[rough galleon]

100...

says it at the first level in the tree

[wheat harbor]

bloodsplosion is... a little unbalanced
and also
very wonky

because of the delay

no

its bonus stacks on melee kill

[rough galleon]

"While Buzz Axe Rampage is active, you gain increased Damage Resistance for each Bloodlust stack.

Each Kill during Buzz Axe Rampage rewards extra Bloodlust stacks."

during BxR

[wheat harbor]

it does not

the max is still 100

[rough galleon]

1 AoE nade kinda gets you 100 pretty easily tho

[wheat harbor]

no extra on top of what you already got

[rough galleon]

nothing goes above the limit

[wheat harbor]

because to kill you have to deal damage
bloodlust stacks from dealing damage

so you got 1 stack from dealing damage in the first place
then taste of blood gives extra

its still extra

[rough galleon]

it rewards extra stacks per kill

[wheat harbor]

because you gained more stacks than normal

its not extra cap

its extra stacks

[rough galleon]

Extra Stacks
+10
+15
+20
+25
+30
+33
+36
+39
+42
+45
+48

[wheat harbor]

yea

[rough galleon]

thinking about it, you can change Blood Overdrive for Taste of Blood

[wheat harbor]

they thought 100 would be balanced (it was not)

[rough galleon]

would be so fucking busted if it wasnt capped

its already pretty stupid

[wheat harbor]

the hud has issues displaying more than 999

bloodlust skills are already hilariously strong

sal is buggy which makes him stupid strong

[rough galleon]

the guide would have the skills
tho the little skill tree I did has most of the core skills

[wheat harbor]

gaige is a bit of a one trick pony but its a damn good trick

ohh on krieg

hellborn doesnt have anything that stands out too much

for guns? not really

[rough galleon]

it really is just Elemental Elation lol

[wheat harbor]

but its the melee tree

[rough galleon]

Numbed Nerves and Burn, Baby, Burn is nice tho

[wheat harbor]

fire fiend is great for shotguns

[rough galleon]

Fire Fiend and Nervous Blood Reload go brr

[wheat harbor]

spread reduction on shotguns goes hard

wait

is it actually spread

what the fuck
its min and max accuracy and accuracy impulse

[rough galleon]

if going gun builds, its basically just Embrace the Pain

Feed the Meat and Thrill of the Kill (only 1 point is needed) for generalist

Strip the Flesh if using explosives
Salt the Wound if using shotguns

if melee builds, Silence the Voices and Release the Beast is your bread and butter

[rough galleon]

does that mean a smaller reticle or something...?

[wheat harbor]

eeeehhh kinda

also
10% recoil reduction is so good

[wheat harbor]

https://bl2.parts/attributes/accuracy/
accuracy is fucking weird
the card number you see is actually spread, its a fixed value
what changes from shooting and stuff is actually the accuracy pool
got min, max and the accuracy impulse (acc impulse also controls kick on non hyperion)
i say accuracy is effectively the spread of the spread

[rough galleon]

the TL;DR
the Krieg skills that are universally bad are: Blood Trance, Pull the Pin when maxed level, Fuel the Rampage and Hellfire Halitosis

that said, a lot of Krieg's skills has niche use cases or just good lol

[wheat harbor]

where spread sets out where the bullets can go
accuracy sets out where the spread originates

[rough galleon]

....aaaaaaaaaaa

Blood Trance is HORRIBLE when you have Release the Beast

and Fuel the Rampage cooldown reduction is just moot also when you have Release the Beast

the reason? Release the Beast is a full heal and iframe when activated

you want to use that since inside Release the Beast, you need to kill to sustain and more limited in your approach for each encounter
you will have as much dmg reduction for a shorter duration than otherwise

also Release the Beast is an instant cooldown refresh

Fuel the Rampage is a waste of points.

and yes, the action skill recharges as you are hit by default

its faster with Fuel the Rampage but loses that purpose if you can instant refresh

is a full heal and iframe when activated

so if you have a longer duration
you can't use that

when you are below 33%, the hp to activate Release the Beast, press your action skill
you have like a 2s invincibility frames to not take ANY dmg whatsoever and full heal

longer duration basically stops you from abusing that

even with 1 point in Blood Trance
you increase the duration of BxR for 5s with maxed blood lust

5s+ per skill point.

I can even go ingame if you want an ingame description

it says similar flavour text

no cooldown

instantly recharge means your action skill will be up immediately

yes

[cunning sable]

You need a certain hp threshold is all

[rough galleon]

which is why Fuel the Rampage is moot if you use Release the Beast properly

and why getting a longer duration BxR is kinda pointless as the only benefit is not pressing a button again which actually has iframes

I...already posted a build.

and sent the guide

#bl1-2-tps-media message

Krieg / Psycho:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1RIIZ5IVaDBtxKdcBdd-SiudTUgTVwuNa88Zi-qVSIOI/edit

you can replace Blood Overdrive for Taste of Blood

and coolio, Im not repeating myself

someone else can help you if you are just gonna shrug it off like that

[leaden stag]

late to the convo but

Fastballs>launchers

[tawdry shell]

maybe this is a little too fast

[prime gull]

oops, good morning I would like to know if anyone plays Borderlands 1 on PS3 with a PSN account and has the trophy: AND THEY WILL TELL TWO FRIENDS. or "ELES VAO CONTAR A DOIS AMIGOS" (in Portuguese)

[leaden stag]

bro is playing borderlands 2.1

[tawdry shell]

pro gameplay

also steam having a recording feature is so goated

[leaden stag]

I think its time you throw away that flynt pistol

[tawdry shell]

i have nothing better

adding more enemies on top of all of this doesn't seem like the greatest idea im now realizing

im having to stomp kill eveything cause im out of ammo

[rough galleon]

yo Doom Eternal got a new mod?

[tawdry shell]

real

also i think i've got everything where i want it now

it's just barely on the brink of being unplayable

[rough galleon]

now add eridium guns (-w-)b

[frozen tusk]

Canon axton be like

[tawdry shell]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/916535970491416590/1314474950534496317/257BEA4600003.mp4?ex=6753e7b1&is=67529631&hm=638b59e9d37b53f305f8e59f65678afca093450d8d90e6210ba424a7f933debb&

[long solar]

Not fast enough

[tawdry shell]

my turret cannot handle these conditions

[long solar]

Not fast enough

[tawdry shell]

true

i usually don't even farm for a harold early game but this shit is practically required now

maya probably would've been a better pick for this tbh

im too far into this now though

[tawdry shell]

[serene escarp]

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[leaden stag]

bandit grip :mewing:

[hybrid steppe]

Dahl stock = instant buy

[tawdry shell]

i just don’t care about parts until like the end game tbh

even then the only throng i really understand is most the time matching grip = good lol

[lofty flame]

Thats pretty much how it goes, mostly

[tawdry shell]

that’s kinda what i figured

[hybrid steppe]

Yeah unfortunately bandit grip did ruin it but hey it’s impetuous so good prefix at least

[tawdry shell]

despite the insane play time i have in both 1 and 2, i really don’t look into the technical side of things (even if neither game gets super deep into that in the first place lol)

i just tend to look out for ‘this thing bad’ and then see if it’s actually bad

[hybrid steppe]

Unfortunately I was forced to go technical with all of it so I could actually learn parts and such

[lofty flame]

Bandid grip definitely does not ruin it

[hybrid steppe]

Bandit grip on other stuff kills the reload but yeah it’s not that bad

[lofty flame]

Hyperion would have been worse

Like way worse

[hybrid steppe]

Oof yeah Hyperion lowers damage

Especially seeing it on a sniper like a pimpernel with Hyperion grip

But bandit does raise the mag so I guess good for more mag, and bad for some reload?

[lofty flame]

10% slower reload is not much of an issue, especially on someone like Axton

[hybrid steppe]

Durring heavy firefights though.. that will affect it especially when you actually HAVE to reload but yeah Ax can keep it up will all those skills for mag and reload

[tawdry shell]

i had to go through an entire mag of the smg and half my harold to take take down a god-liath i accidentally spawned

health pools aren’t really effected with the stuff i added, but the bigger enemies are definitely sponges

he was super fast obviously and threw punches at fucking mach speeds

[lofty flame]

Harold user /j

[tawdry shell]

he leveled up so fast cause he one tapped every other enemy

definitely been one of the more interesting playthroughs to say the least

[lofty flame]

Must have been something in the water

[tawdry shell]

it’s made having the advanced movement feel a bit more balanced lol

[hybrid steppe]

I accidentally spawned a god-liath at like level 11 when I was in frostburn and had to keep bating it just to kill it with low leveled guns, let me tell you it wasn’t a pleasant experience

[tawdry shell]

yeha that’s where mine spawned lmao

[tawdry shell]

realizing what this kinda reminds me of

https://thunderstore.io/package/SpikestripModding/More_Difficulties/

armageddon

goated difficulty

[rose dust]

https://youtu.be/TzpAYv0AP68?t=897 me when im at Sawtooth Cauldron and im playing Krieg

(timestamps on discord embeds are broken)

[opal tundra]

This was the closest I could get to Cat Ears Zer0 but it works and is funny I think

[tawdry shell]

you could uhh

there’s a mod that lets you use any character head and skin

put on mayas cat head on zero

[opal tundra]

what's the mod called? i wanna find it lol

[leaden stag]

I wanna burn it after that suggestion

[torpid temple]

does anyone else enjoy early game bullymong fights

[hybrid steppe]

I enjoy dying a ton because the starter shotgun sucks 😭

[torpid temple]

the trick is to always move with bullymongs lol

if they're closing the distance for a punch then jump so they can knock you away

[tawdry shell]

the clip i sent earlier i feel is an improvement on them