bl1-2-tps-media

[magic turtle]

no

open the zip file and copy the binaries folder in it

and then paste it

[plush aspen]

Ok

This is my literally my first time modding actually on the pc

[magic turtle]

dont worry lol

[plush aspen]

Ik

Wait

Then this happens

[magic turtle]

replace files

[plush aspen]

Then what? I go in the game to confirm that there is the mods tab?

[magic turtle]

open binaries folder then win32

then check for a mods folder

like this one

[plush aspen]

So where is this binaries folder?

In the borderlands 2 folders

[magic turtle]

under borderlands 2

yes

[plush aspen]

Aight

Just making sure

[magic turtle]

everything will be in the game files now

[plush aspen]

This it?

[magic turtle]

yep

[plush aspen]

Then what

[magic turtle]

the mods folder is where you'll download your mods

[plush aspen]

So my game should have the mods tab in the main menu now?

[magic turtle]

yes

[plush aspen]

Aight lemme go make sure

If all this works, then playing modded bl2 on the go.

Then it would be interesting

Well looks like it works

[magic turtle]

make sure u extract the mods when you download them now, leaving them as zip files wont do anything

[midnight jewel]

Your PythonSDK mods*

Not every mod is a python mod

[plush aspen]

Aight makes sense

[magic turtle]

yeah, they were setting up pythonsdk so I was just talking about them

[plush aspen]

Well, I simply want a mod that overhauls everything in bl2 to be a complete new experience

[midnight jewel]

Yeah ik, just felt like i should specify

[midnight jewel]

You have the Redux mod

[plush aspen]

Is this vanilla-plus?

[midnight jewel]

I meant Reborn

[plush aspen]

I’m also coming from Skyrim modding too

So I have Nexus. 🙂

[magic turtle]

just look on the pythonsdk site for mods you want, all of them have descriptions and any extra mods needed to run

you can also disable mods so u dont have to uninstall them when u dont wanna use them

[midnight jewel]

These are some of your choices for overhauls

[plush aspen]

I have no experience with any bl2 mods so imma leave them all enabled

[midnight jewel]

Just filter the nexus by Popular (all time) and then by Unique Downloads

[midnight jewel]

Just read them and figure out if they sound useful or not to you

[plush aspen]

What’s the difference between that one and Azurelands

[tawdry shell]

probably too big a list of differences

overhual mods tend to change pretty much anything they can

[midnight jewel]

I have no clue since ive never played them

[plush aspen]

Same

[tawdry shell]

replace unique items, skills, etc

[plush aspen]

Then I want the crazier side of it.

Lol

[midnight jewel]

You pretty much have to read them and see if they interest you or not

[plush aspen]

Aight

[tawdry shell]

FFYLands is a fun one

[trim hinge]

exodus is more of an expansion than an overhaul

[midnight jewel]

https://youtu.be/05xd-SQ4rdY

[kind path]

Anyone have anything they can give a new Zero? I’ve never played him and don’t know what they need. Anything is helpful CrispCylinder67

[trim hinge]

does some small balance changes and actually adds new content to the game

[midnight jewel]

Joltz also just did a video on snowbound if you want to see if thats interesting to you

[plush aspen]

Hmm interesting

[trim hinge]

snowbound is peak

[midnight jewel]

Ahhh

[plush aspen]

Well when it comes to new characters, I wanna do Mr Torgue

[tawdry shell]

im already annoyed with how he’s starting it

[plush aspen]

Lol

[magic turtle]

zero doc can give you some direction asking for handouts prob isnt the best way to go about

[wheat harbor]

snowbound goatid

[midnight jewel]

Yeah i cant...really stand Joltz anymore either sadly

[tawdry shell]

he disabled one of the main features of the mod

[wheat harbor]

disabled the disabling

[tawdry shell]

true

[real oracle]

howd he start it

[wheat harbor]

re-enabled sprinting

[tawdry shell]

he got rid of the no sprint thing

[trim hinge]

what did he do

[midnight jewel]

Lmfao

[trim hinge]

mane

[tawdry shell]

not a huge deal but like

bruh

[wheat harbor]

ive given bones perms to futz around with my auto sprint stuff and see if itll work for him
so youll automatically do the run animation while walking around

so hopefully it wont be as weird feeling

[plush aspen]

@tawdry shell when it comes to character overhauls, it says that bl2 reborn has major and minor ones. Does the Azurelands have only the major ones when it comes to character overhauls in that one?

[tawdry shell]

no idea

[plush aspen]

Hmm

[tawdry shell]

i don’t really play overhual mods

[plush aspen]

Aight

I think I like the loot look of the azurelands though

[magic turtle]

you kinda just gotta experiment yourself and read through it

[plush aspen]

Yea

[magic turtle]

most people just use mods that add or tweak features of vanilla

if any

[plush aspen]

Aight just downloaded Azurelands and i just extract and put the main thing inside that folder and put it into the bl2 mods folder?

Right?

[magic turtle]

if its an sdk mod then yes

[plush aspen]

Uh oh

I open the game up and the Azurelands mod does not show up on there

Am I doing something wrong?

[midnight jewel]

:/

Please read install instructions

This is simple following of instructions its not that complicated

[plush aspen]

Hm maybe but this is after installing?

[tawdry shell]

.blcm file

[midnight jewel]

Take a second and actually read

[tawdry shell]

are you executing the mod and putting everything in the right place

[real oracle]

what the fuck is this

[plush aspen]

Probably not.

[midnight jewel]

https://www.nexusmods.com/borderlands2/mods/325

Did you install this one?

[plush aspen]

Yes

Not then co op one either

[midnight jewel]

Then please follow the install instructions

[midnight jewel]

🙂 that will solve your answers

[plush aspen]

Ok

[plush aspen]

I have all those. I think

[midnight jewel]

Probably not, oselands was using his folder as an example

[midnight jewel]

But yes, follow the instructions on THIS page to the letter

Do everything it says to do

The "unzip and drag the binaries folder" is the exact same thing as you did with the PythonSDK folder

The next bit seems to ask you to open the game, and navigate to the Mods tab in the main menu, and activate those mods

[plush aspen]

aight makes sense

Also that page is talking about versions too

How do I know what version I have?

That’s probably important

[magic turtle]

whatever the one you downloaded was we have no way of telling you

[plush aspen]

It’s Azurelands.

anyways, how do I know what mod version or game version I have as the page says version 1.5

[midnight jewel]

You have the most uptodate mod version lmfao

[plush aspen]

And game version too?

Lol

[midnight jewel]

And youre very unlikely to have a version of bl2 that isnt current if you have the bl4 ad

[tawdry shell]

unless you intentionally downpatched your game you are on the latest version

[midnight jewel]

Pretry sure downpatched wouldnt have the BL4 ad on the main menu

[plush aspen]

Ok

Imma restart this Azurelands thingy

[tame hornet]

@peak ether

[peak ether]

[tame hornet]

so this is a garbage volcano because theres no 1-5?

wtf does GGN mean lol

[peak ether]

the literal worst possible roll

[peak ether]

Body 1

[tame hornet]

hold on, its the WORST possible roll, and yet it still DEMOLISHES enemies that are 3 levels above me?

[peak ether]

again parts code doesn't use 1-5

[peak ether]

DoTs are based on enemy health and their resists and nothing else

[tame hornet]

even without the DoT

[peak ether]

you just rolled stock 1 and mag 1

[tame hornet]

it just ohko/2hko most enemies

[peak ether]

actually I semi take back worst possible

worst Body 1 roll

because sniper bodies are weird and Body 1 is sometimes desirable

[tame hornet]

thoughts on this then

[peak ether]

Still bad

[tame hornet]

it stopped being useful at like lvl 29

[peak ether]

but mashers kinda don't care about bad parts

[tame hornet]

and this i guess would be half decent?

[peak ether]

shit

[tame hornet]

really?

this thing is still holding on really well

[peak ether]

it's an anarchy for one thing

and it's body 1

ngl I've stopped picking anarchies up period

[tame hornet]

xD

[peak ether]

they're the very definition of mid

[tame hornet]

well this has been extremely useful since ive gotten it

[peak ether]

Trust me there's way better

[tame hornet]

i know, but i go with what i get

im not running dedicated drops mod or id go for something specific

plus im not omega farming anything until i get to 2.5

[peak ether]

Bl1 is just an extremely easy game that the actual top tier shit just plays the game for you

[tame hornet]

BL1/2/3 are all extremely easy games

BL2 is just having a build that can handle OP10, and BL3 is just... BL3

[peak ether]

The real most extremely overrated as fuck item is the Unforgiven

Worst legendary revolver in the game

yet it's everyone's holy grail and treasure

[tame hornet]

maybe because its strong?

idk, i dont know a thing about endgame BL1

[peak ether]

mfw a purple Tediore Masher already 1-2 shots

[peak ether]

and turbo buff the reload on a gun you reload after every 2 shots

[peak ether]

fyi. 90% of the community gets shit wrong about it

[real oracle]

bl3 is, in fact, bl3 🗣️ 🔥

[peak ether]

they see highest base dmg and assume that makes it good

ignoring the fact that revolver mag 5's dmg increase is so high any further boosts is useless

[tame hornet]

i mean the only endgame is killing crawmerax right?

[peak ether]

and the Unforgiven Barrel does nothing to counteract either the innate flaws of Jakobs nor mag 5

[peak ether]

Underdome

[midnight jewel]

See, i think bl3's endgame is leagues better than bl2's

[tame hornet]

BL3 endgame is just takedowns right?

no raid bosses

[trim hinge]

takedowns, hemovorous, true trials bosses

[midnight jewel]

Theres definitely raid bosses lol

The endgame is also just, vastly better balanced than OP10

[tame hornet]

i mean the endgame is mayhem11

instead of having to deal with death balls chasing you

[real oracle]

about that

playing on m10 for peak grenade builds >>>>

[real oracle]

i mean

[tame hornet]

i remember when the game released and half of endgame

[real oracle]

bl3 endgame isnt balanced at all

[midnight jewel]

Its better than bl2's

[tame hornet]

was just rerolling for a good mayhem

[real oracle]

10000% enemy health just to counteract how large annoints and passives are isnt a great idea

[midnight jewel]

Which is what i was saying

[trim hinge]

all bl games are balanced like ass

[real oracle]

it's just that, well you know how strong the player is in 3

[trim hinge]

just in different ways

[real oracle]

by far the funniest game

[tame hornet]

BL2 endgame used to be good with 72 max lvl and 8 OP lvls

[real oracle]

it wasnt good

[tame hornet]

its better then it is now

[real oracle]

thats true

[midnight jewel]

It still had other problems, like terrible ass loot drops on raid bosses etc

[tame hornet]

i mean the gear that you get isnt from raid bosses but from DEDICATED DROPS

[real oracle]

raid bosses just being regular enemies with a nova attached

[tame hornet]

thats just pyro pete

[trim hinge]

overgrown rabid stalker lookin ass

[real oracle]

ok go show me hyperius not novaing and having engineer attacks

at least hyperius has a neat gimmick

[tame hornet]

when you cheese hyperius with a sham

[real oracle]

and was actually p fun until lilith dlc released

[tame hornet]

or go out of bounds and cheese hyperius through a wall

[real oracle]

so killing the boss before it actually does anythint, got it

ok so why dont i just squish pete with the elevator

does that mean hes not a nova spamming regular enemy

?

[trim hinge]

how big can hyperius get actually

[real oracle]

infinite

[trim hinge]

is there a limit?

[tame hornet]

infinite

[trim hinge]

oh thats wonderful

[tame hornet]

the limit is how long the game can last

not how big he can get

but how long the game can last

[midnight jewel]

I think the difference between bl3's endgame and bl2's is that im actually willing to do bl3's, i wont touch bl2's with a 10 foot pole

[trim hinge]

valid

[tame hornet]

what about removing FFS?

[real oracle]

that doesnt fix it

[tame hornet]

would you want to touch BL2 endgame?

i mean it fixes a good portion of it

[real oracle]

it makes it better

but thats about it

[trim hinge]

it makes the game go from a 5 to a 5.5/10

[real oracle]

bl2 doesnt have repeatable things that have an actual decent pacing, or arent a gigantic map that gives the enemies more cover than you

[midnight jewel]

Because bl2's requires me to experience a decently MEH story with the exception of Handsome jack 2 times in a row, and also requires me to actively farm xp and specific weapons etc and slag every enemy

[real oracle]

especially considering bl2 enemy ai has the best pathfinding the series ever had in going into an invincible hidey hole

and then your pets ai looks up and down before crossing the street

digi peak is a good step but it's just too slow and too long, and slagged spiderants arent fun

[midnight jewel]

I think bl2 wouldnt be nearly as bad if it didnt require tvhm and uvhm

[real oracle]

really it's as simple as bl2 doesnt have guardian takedown

[tame hornet]

story is like

at minimum 500000x better then BL3 story

[real oracle]

digi peak ost aint got nothin on shattered tribunal

mainly cuz it doesnt play half the time

cuz of how slow and spaced out digi peak is

[midnight jewel]

Im like one of the only people to not hate the Calypso twins

[tame hornet]

you can leave then 😇

[midnight jewel]

Are they worse than Jack as villains? Yes, but literally no villain would be better than him

[real oracle]

im of the take that bl3 story is overhated because people with 1st grade reading levels think bl2 has a deep story

[midnight jewel]

Yeah

[real oracle]

and it's really not that bad

[tame hornet]

they are literally the worst villain out of any game

[midnight jewel]

The only thing propping bl2 up is Jack's VA

[real oracle]

if you leave, everyone here will become 10x smarter

[midnight jewel]

No, thats bl1's

[trim hinge]

shiiii thas real

[tame hornet]

steele is fine

[trim hinge]

siren with no powers 😔

[tame hornet]

wym she has powers

[real oracle]

steele shows up for 5 seconds and dies

[trim hinge]

steele is a nothing character

[midnight jewel]

This

[trim hinge]

altho that can be said about a lot of characters in bl1

[tame hornet]

she has the power to command the legion

[real oracle]

"ahhh we're gonna kill you ahhh you should have left" dies

[tame hornet]

and thats about all she did before she died because shes a siren

[real oracle]

shes not a siren

thats just the texture they gave her

[tame hornet]

she was a siren before she got killed

[real oracle]

because they forgot

no, she's not

[trim hinge]

honestly thats believable

they forgo 💀

[midnight jewel]

The only thing Steele has going for her is she made Rhys' storyline possible

And also TPS

[trim hinge]

also jack in tps is way better

[tame hornet]

howd she make the vault fragments become the key then?

[trim hinge]

he's funny as hell there

[real oracle]

because vault key fragments do that

[tame hornet]

if, if i know the lore at all atleast, only sirens can do that?

[midnight jewel]

I fucking love playing as doppelganger Jack

[trim hinge]

his interactions with tassiter are gold

[tame hornet]

vault key fragments need a siren to be able to combine them

[midnight jewel]

If you wanna provide a source for that go for it

[tame hornet]

or jack wouldnt need a siren to open up the vault to command warrior

[trim hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-senator-armstrong-revengeance-i-made-it-the-fuck-up-gif-25029602

[tame hornet]

and in BL3 sirens opened each vault

[real oracle]

the dude from bioshock-

or something

[tame hornet]

albert wesker

[trim hinge]

put a dictator villain there and there you go

jack

[real oracle]

well you have to make the villain funny at least

[tame hornet]

right before steele dies she hovers her hand over the vault key fragments and they combine together, why couldnt they combine together beforehand? there was no siren unless you wanna count tannis who wasnt confirmed to be a siren until like the end of BL3

[trim hinge]

thats true

[real oracle]

fair enough

i probably shouldnt talk about the bone dry lore we have in this series because i aint readin allat

all i know is damage go up

and that bl2 has some fucking egregious code

like grenades

[tame hornet]

jack cant combine the fragments to open the vault because hes not a siren, he kept angel alive because he needed her to find the vault, which then lilith went there and angel was killed so he took lilith hostage and forced her to open the vault

[midnight jewel]

The only reason Jack was good was because of his VA adlibbing his lines and stuff

[trim hinge]

real

all his best lines were freestyled

[midnight jewel]

If it wasnt for the VA, bl2's story would probably be ass just like 1's and 3's

As it is, bl2's is solidly meh, and bl3's is just a bit below it

[real oracle]

anywho ima head out cuz idc, if anything involving grenade behaviorproviderdefinitions happen then lmk

[tawdry shell]

i wouldn’t necessarily say 1’s was bad by any means

the simplicity is what help put more emphasis on 1’s atmosphere i feel

had it had a more complex story i feel it would’ve gone more against what the game had going for it

[tame hornet]

1/2 have the best story between the 3, i do wish there was more VAing in 1 tho

[tawdry shell]

tps has the best imo

[trim hinge]

tps has the best story in the series

[tame hornet]

thats why i said between the 3

[trim hinge]

my man

[tame hornet]

1/2/3 not including tps

[trim hinge]

now a days i enjoy bl1's vibe more

[tawdry shell]

1 has my favorite feel of any of the games

it’s just so relaxed

[midnight jewel]

I definitely feel like TPS wouldve been the best BL game if the studio didnt get shut down

[tawdry shell]

real

[midnight jewel]

The story is really good, the gameplay is not terrible but its serviceable with the TPS additions, and the taste of dlc we got was pretty good

[tawdry shell]

the gameplay is probably my 2nd favorite in the series

double jumping and slamming is so nice, and tps cryo is neato

[trim hinge]

its just behind bl3 for me

[tawdry shell]

i can’t really rank 3 anywhere tbh

[midnight jewel]

The tps additions are good yeah, i was more meaning the fact that its just stapled onto a bl2 gunplay/gameplay shell

[tawdry shell]

last time i played it was like 2021/2022 and it was on my 2013 xbox one

[trim hinge]

fair enough

[tawdry shell]

so uhh safe to say i never had a good experience with 3

[midnight jewel]

I wish i could leave bl3 installed but its just way too large for when i want to play other stuff

[tame hornet]

tf is this achievement lol

got the most random achievement while killing skags

BL1 achievement

[midnight jewel]

Google is your friend

[tame hornet]

nah, rather ask here

[midnight jewel]

:/

[tame hornet]

(:

[trim hinge]

lazy ass

[tame hornet]

no u
gottem

[trim hinge]

?ask

[serene escarp]

https://dontasktoask.com

[peak ether]

why I can easily replay it

I need to be in the mood to replay the others and I inevitably burn out

[tame hornet]

damn

69x4 on the right

[trim hinge]

ass

6.9

[tame hornet]

i wasnt even grinding for it either

i just found it in a vendor while grinding to lvl 40 so i can be on level for mad mel

i mean its better then my current one and thats what matters

[real mango]

Just finished playthrough 1

[real mango]

Yo thanks man that really carried me

I got to lvl 40 then I just beat the game

Time for playthrough 2

And I don't see the big deal with eridian guns they're not even thay bad I picked one up on lvl 28 or some and carries me all the way til I started running into guardians

Them guardians got some immunity with eridian weapons

Also after finishing that the amount of walking and driving is insane

[midnight jewel]

Which one is better? Im assuming more dmg but

[opal ingot]

the one on the right

[midnight jewel]

Why is that?

[opal ingot]

it has bandit grip
which gives it more mag
so you can shoot it for longer

[midnight jewel]

I mean, my reloads are near instant atm so

[rough galleon]

you lose 4 dmg per shot lol

faster fire rate, reload speed and has 10 shots versus 7 shots until reload

right is better due to this

also uh reload is downtime

[midnight jewel]

Well, the mission reward one i got was better? Only thing it didnt have was the magazine

Apologies for shit pic, but my pc is refuse to screenshot atm

[rough galleon]

23 dmg per shot is a lot more of a upgrade
this would be far better if you dont need much reloads inbetween for the encounter

versus just 4 lol

[midnight jewel]

Well i have the 40% reload increase with axton so

Reloads are pretty quick

[rough galleon]

you have 40% on every gun

[midnight jewel]

Ye i know

[rough galleon]

its still downtime regardless

then again these are just lvl 11 guns so optimizing it is kinda redundant

[midnight jewel]

Xd

[tame hornet]

i mean if you really wanna optimize it you could keep rolling the mission reward for a vertical grip

vgrip matching grip

[midnight jewel]

I have literally 0 clue how to identify parts

And that seems like cursed knowledge to memorize

[cunning sable]

Your lv 11
You dont really need to optimize rn

[midnight jewel]

I was actually like level 15 at the time, the first two were just drops from Splinter

The level 14 one was the mission reward

[cunning sable]

Samw diff, normal mode is just like
Turn your brain off

[midnight jewel]

I guess yeah

[tame hornet]

if you wanna truly turn your brain off

get a matching grip hard unkempt harold

[rough galleon]

or...they can just play the game lol

[tame hornet]

that is playing the game (:

[cunning sable]

No thats brainrot

[tame hornet]

your just using the most broken weapon you can that will literally last all the way to warrior

[rough galleon]

farming for something that will be beated in a few levels isnt really a wise choice

[lunar hound]

Torgue grip kinda mid

[opal ingot]

that's boring

[cunning sable]

If you need a harold in normal or tvhm your doin something wrong

[opal ingot]

that's tediore grip

[rough galleon]

also Harold isnt the "most broken weapon"

[tame hornet]

harold is the most broken weapon you can get at that point

[rough galleon]

literally level 8 for NVHM, what do you mean carry to Warrior?

[lunar hound]

Js play melee krieg 💯

[tame hornet]

true

melee krieg is the strongest gun

[opal ingot]

just do gearless

[tame hornet]

thats what melee krieg is

[lunar hound]

Damage scales bc melee

[opal ingot]

no that's the insider

[lunar hound]

Also the reason why i love melee krieg

[tame hornet]

i like to overprepare and be really strong whenever i go do something

even in NVHM

[lunar hound]

Me not so much

[tame hornet]

sometimes that does include getting a HUH

[rough galleon]

you do you but I tend to tell people not to farm unless they are struggling

[cunning sable]

I need to swap the harold and devastator drops

[lunar hound]

Id prefer to just get the essentials and not waste much time to get to the content

[lunar hound]

True

[rough galleon]

you will get burnt out quicker, esp using the same guns over and over again

[lunar hound]

While your at it also change the rarities

Harold should be pearl tier

[cunning sable]

Or just turn the Harold into the Fragnum

[tame hornet]

i prefer running through the game from lvl 1 to op10 while grinding my gear every now and then

[opal ingot]

or just remove the harold entirely

[lunar hound]

Good idea but like a lot of other mods have done that

Atp js make the harold a different gun

[rough galleon]

but what will I use now? 😦

[tame hornet]

BL4 the harold is gonna come back and be pretty bad

[lunar hound]

buh

[cunning sable]

Nothing, suffer

[cunning sable]

I like the fragnum tho so

[lunar hound]

nooo not the one weapon that gets super fucking overhyped because idk!!!!!

[rough galleon]

Im one step ahead, I launched BL2

[cunning sable]

People think its infinitely worse then the harold because ?????

[lunar hound]

badaboom better than harold real

Also harold is a noobtrap

[cunning sable]

Its like
Its just a masher tourge pistol with bonus crit

[lunar hound]

And boring

[tame hornet]

if you REALLY REALLY want to turn your brain off

play salvador, get a pimpernel and a ahab

[lunar hound]

And just kinda acoustic in general

[cunning sable]

I hate sal so no

[lunar hound]

Now thats just like

[rough galleon]

thats not even the strongest pimpernel abuse

[lunar hound]

Fuck you fuck sal fuck pimperhab fuck fire shot fuck everything about that build

[tame hornet]

or if you dont want to play bugador and still wanna turn your brain off, flying bee hawk

[lunar hound]

js play maya

[cunning sable]

I also hate the sand hawk

[lunar hound]

Bee hawking also very boring

And like

[tame hornet]

or just play gaige and let deathtrap do everything

[rough galleon]

Im in a broken record competition and Im up against a BL2 player:

[lunar hound]

Avg bl2 reddit main

[cunning sable]

Melee dt builds are fine but not my playstyle

[peak ether]

If you remove the Bee the sandhawk becomes just an above average SMG

[cunning sable]

Make it the rerouter

[lunar hound]

Not necessarily

[wide fog]

unlisted projectiles baby

[rough galleon]

Rerouter is fun

[opal ingot]

or you can just

?bl2who

[peak ether]

which is saying a lot because SMGs in this game just don't

[serene escarp]

You should play Gaige!

[rough galleon]

GAIGE GAMING

[opal ingot]

i was hoping it'd say to play a different game

[rough galleon]

?bl2who

[serene escarp]

You should play Krieg!

[cunning sable]

?bl2who

[serene escarp]

You should play Krieg!

[rough galleon]

LOL

[lunar hound]

Isnt the rerouter just a bee thats better in every way

?bl2who

[serene escarp]

You should play Axton!

[peak ether]

no

[cunning sable]

No, it has an amp cost

[lunar hound]

Gameplay wise

not like stat wise

[rough galleon]

its literally just a normal Amp shield but has healing

[lunar hound]

oh

I never used rerouter when i played tps

[rough galleon]

thats it gimmick; a high amp dmg sure but nothing really special than another amp shield than its healing

[midnight jewel]

My brain is cooked, i see rerouter and go "BL3?"

[peak ether]

ReRouter is an Amp shield w/ an actually interesting effect but it's not better than the Bee

[cunning sable]

Cause you obly get it from Shadowtrap

And his other drop is the goddanm Laser Disker

[rough galleon]

and the rocket laser

[cunning sable]

He drops Kanedeas?

[peak ether]

he doesn't

[rough galleon]

oh Eos does

[peak ether]

EOS does

[cunning sable]

Yeah normal shadow trap is Disker or ReRouter

[lunar hound]

Viral marketer better than cc

[rough galleon]

you see, you are missing the -

BL3 is Re-Router :V

[midnight jewel]

XD

[opal ingot]

true

[cunning sable]

Still the same sheild

[rough galleon]

yeah

just funny the - is the difference in the name

[tiny thorn]

Best SMG?

Probably the Bandit?

[glass vessel]

I would go with bandit

[cunning sable]

The maliwan isnt bad

[tiny thorn]

Keep it increased projectile speed?

[cunning sable]

I guess

Its fire rate too

[tiny thorn]

I couldn't handle Wylde Assss on the Bandit AR so I switched it to Box.

[cunning sable]

Bandit ars are terrible never use them

[tiny thorn]

I thought they were the best.......

Ugh

[cunning sable]

No they're probably the worst weapon type in the game

Outside of ONE instance

[tiny thorn]

Well the freaking ARs, SMGs & Shotguns I made all were better than the alternative manufacturers

[cunning sable]

Bandit is just raw dmg but numbers dont mean everything

[tiny thorn]

Raw Damage & like twice as big mags..
Slightly worse accuracy & reload..

[cunning sable]

Yeah and negative crit modifiers

Thanks ars!

[real oracle]

except not even that

because purple and blue get a damage penalty

[cunning sable]

Oh my god i forgot that
I knew there was something fucky with bandit ars but couldn't remember exactly

[tiny thorn]

Well I made every weapon type with every manufacturer and the consensus was always bandit....

[cunning sable]

Yeah bandit isnt terrible
Its just the Ars that are nono

[tiny thorn]

So then Vladof vs. Dahl?
And are you ADS Burst or Full-Auto Hip-Firing the Dahl.

[cunning sable]

Vladof is cracked in 2, they usually have the best non uniques lineup

[glass vessel]

@sturdy hamlet @fair sluice

[sturdy hamlet]

This is so adorable 😭

[fair sluice]

I need me a man like this

[tiny thorn]

Yeah...
Vladof AR - Dahl Stock,
Vladof Sniper - Dahl Stock,
Vladof Pistol... All cracked..

[tawdry shell]

honestly never liked how vladof ar’s felt in 2

[lofty flame]

E-tech vladof ARs feel kinda nice

Not exactly optimal but feels good

[tawdry shell]

those are like the main exception

i really like majority of e-tech guns

fun weapons

[lofty flame]

Real!

[tiny thorn]

I thought the common opinion was that they usually weren't great?
Bc the shotgun does this dumb rolling fireball and the pistols shoot super slow..

I haven't really used any

[tawdry shell]

doesn’t have to be good in order to like them lol

using gear that’s straight garbage is one thing, but if it’s fun to use and can still get the job done then why not use it yknow

[rough galleon]

Idm e tech ARs
Just wish its first introduction in Doc Mercy's questline literally wasnt the worse one: bandit and chance for no element

[wheat harbor]

theyre just
SO innacurate

sure theyre gun go brr but
you literally need to shove the barrel up an enemies ass to hit stuff reliably

[tawdry shell]

real

idk if i always got shit parts but they just never felt very strong in general? i guess that’s kinda an issue with 2’s ar’s to a degree though

[wheat harbor]

the miniguns can do decent work

[tawdry shell]

but overall they are the worst feeling ones for me, even the unique vladof ar’s i barely use

[wheat harbor]

ARs are EXTREMELY barrel dependant

since they got poor base stats but really good specific barrels

[tiny thorn]

I use Box on them instead of Wild

I like how Dahl looks and feels.
Burst is better in Sim tho.. not so much Arcade..

[tawdry shell]

i’ve learned i really like dahl in 2, a lot of fun guns from them

[tiny thorn]

I'm just talking non-legendary or unique

[wheat harbor]

ill stand by that dahl is amazing, especially with crit boosts

since you can so easily hit crits with em

[tawdry shell]

dahl items feel SO nice on zero

[tall surge]

Dahl miniguns 😋

[tiny thorn]

I don't like the minigun barrels.
I don't really like Vladof either.
I appreciate the pistol they design..

Vladof is Russian AKs.
Dahl is 'Merican Carbines.

[signal stump]

how tf do yall still play this game

dedication is hardcore fr

[real oracle]

we dont we just talk about it

[copper wasp]

Game mods.

Personal challenges

General fucking around.

[modest forum]

First legendary drop I had in ages. Now only if my camera would stop darkening my pics!

Also unfortunately... I am unable to use it. I do not have an OP10 Gunzerker. If anybody wants it let me know.

[tame hornet]

4% from being max cdr

[modest forum]

Got it from a cubby enemy. I am farming mogly for his legendary. Sorry if I misspell his name.

[lunar hound]

What lvl are you

Oh nvm

im guessing wrong vh

[modest forum]

I play as a commando and is my only character I have on playstation Borderlands 2.

Been working on my weapon load out. But because of the rules of my challenge atm I can only use weapons from the main story.

[kindred marlin]

ngl i thought u meant quest weapons

[kindred marlin]

nah fuck e tech

especially darts

[tawdry shell]

do you hate fun whimsy and joy

[kindred marlin]

now e tech plasma casters..m

i likey those

slow projectiles tho

[modest forum]

But right now I am farming Moby to get his legendary assault Rifel. Hopefully one that is slag.

[tawdry shell]

why not just get a slagga for slagging

veruc wouldn’t be a great slag weapon

[modest forum]

If I remember that's a SMG. My SMG is already being use for Acid.... wich unfortunately..... has to be... this pile of junk. Due to I could not get an acid Baby maker.

[tawdry shell]

fair i dislike having 2 of the same weapon type usually

you’d be better off with at least like maybe a snider for slag

maybe a grog for cheap healing (axton doesn’t need that though that’s more last resort)

[modest forum]

What weapon type is Snider?

[tawdry shell]

maliwan sniper

[modest forum]

Hmmmmm. I will look into that. Sadly I not too Skill with snipers unless they are Jakobs brand.

[modest forum]

So say if I do go after this sniper who do I have to farm?

[tawdry shell]

it’s a non unique so anywhere

[modest forum]

Oh.

I will keep my eye out for it then.

[kindred marlin]

if it takes more than one shot....

[modest forum]

In the mean time back to getting that assault rife to wich the name Escapes me. And btw if it does not deal slag oh well its what's my Saber turrets are here for.

Plus I need a 4th weapon type.

[fallow flicker]

@jagged stirrup gear is rough rider, legendary torch, magic missle, and incendiary bone of the ancients.
Guns is plump Kerblaster lvl 67, grog nozzle, apt hellfire 72, and fire hefty plasma caster lvl 69

[jagged stirrup]

Get rid of fuel the rampage. That skill is terrible on anything past nvhm lol. Thrill of the kill is a waste on melee bc your action skill heals you on kills. Remove the healing from hellborn if youre doing melee bc it can screw over your release the beast timing. I prefer points into blood twitch rather than blood overdrive. One point into redeem the soul is highly recommended, and if youre gonna do a gun/melee hybrid i recommend a shotgun, as salt the wound buffs melee and shotgun damage. Put 5 points into numbed nerves, damage reduction is lovely. Everything else seems ok

Id also recommend a fastball as well tbh but not necessary. If you want a shotgun recommendation, i recommend moxxis heartbreaker

A fire conference call would be great but if you’re not using gibbed then just use heartbreaker. Another great weapon is baby maker bc massive reload damage (tediore weapon) and helps proc bloodbath if you decide to unspec out of melee.

[modest forum]

Welp got my gun.

And yes they are 4 different weapons.

[kindred marlin]

@tawdry shell

[real mango]

No matching grip

"Matching grip dude!"

-joltz

[trim hinge]

brain damage

sorry

[real mango]

?

[trim hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/526753452341198884/1285045271444848640/ba0e0525f1c25390456674f98bc2a374.gif

[kindred marlin]

oh good lord

[modest forum]

After farming a boss with no legend drops for 2 and a half nights in a row I just said F it. I keeping it. No seriously my luck was that bad.

[kindred marlin]

i though we left ts in 2023

[real mango]

Rng go brr

[real mango]

Its currently 2024

[tawdry shell]

@tawny dove (not my screenshot)

you can see it in the pile

[kindred marlin]

is that the fabled 2.6 fire rate tsunami

[modest forum]

Never did not get my acid Baby maker.

[trim hinge]

its just habit to make fun of joltz fans you get me?

[real mango]

😍😍😍

[kindred marlin]

it can kill stuff i guess

[real mango]

Whats wrong with joltz fans?

[trim hinge]

they all children

dumb children

[real mango]

That crazy cause no they're not

[trim hinge]

altho i guess that's common when ur the most famous creator of a certain game

[kindred marlin]

epicnng

[real mango]

Ur crazy

[kindred marlin]

thats all i gotta say

[wheat harbor]

joltz certainly has a very childish fanbase

which yea is very much a result of just being the biggest

[trim hinge]

he's british his fanbase was doomed to fail

[real oracle]

the (former??) mod of joltz server in question

[kindred marlin]

hes also a dickhead

[wheat harbor]

its also a bit of a meme with how joltz fans so often mimic exactly what he does

[kindred marlin]

so like yeah

[trim hinge]

yeah he sure is

[tawdry shell]

i still enjoy tuning into his videos now and then but i stopped being a serious fan a long time ago

[wheat harbor]

WHAT

[wheat harbor]

how?

[real mango]

Wow

Just wow

[tawdry shell]

i think his editing is good and i like how he makes all the background music for his streams

[real oracle]

wait where did you come from zeta infrogot

[wheat harbor]

i am not a former joltz server mod

[real oracle]

were you just on joltz

[tawdry shell]

that part is actually pretty cool

[wheat harbor]

YES

[real oracle]

oops

[wheat harbor]

LMAO

[trim hinge]

idiot

[tawdry shell]

zeta IS joltz

secret alt account we know the truth

[real mango]

D1 haters

[real oracle]

cant believe i met you on joltz first then after like a week you joined here you became mod

[wheat harbor]

i just know some of the joltz server mods hate me

[rough galleon]

YO PLOT TWIST

[real oracle]

well yeah

[wheat harbor]

i didnt join here for AGES

[real oracle]

it's joltz mod team

[real mango]

Soon as someone turns boomer they think they're entitled of being mature

[wheat harbor]

(theyre just mad im right abotu stuff)

[kindred marlin]

i look a his face and my mind just sees a certain item (no diddy tho)

[real oracle]

no i mean you joined here for like a week and then became mod

[rough galleon]

first I was intrigued, now Im interested

[trim hinge]

literally tho

[wheat harbor]

wut

[kindred marlin]

nvm

[wheat harbor]

oh
yea

[wheat harbor]

i was just wondering if this was gonna be "epic bullied vynillic puma" again

[trim hinge]

mod biases dont exist what you talking about

[real mango]

U must be hated

[kindred marlin]

i see

[rough galleon]

I like Vi^4

😠

[trim hinge]

they mad im smarter and sexier than them

[wheat harbor]

posts shitty tier lists
people react negatively to shitty tierlists
apparently this is bullying

[rough galleon]

so true

[trim hinge]

puma's lists are soo funny

[real oracle]

i just know epicnng had a hand in making redux and not many people like redux

[real mango]

Brain damage

[wheat harbor]

i uh
very much disagree with some of the design philosophies behind both reduxes

[real mango]

Wow my head just hurt all of a sudden

[kindred marlin]

ngl i didnt know borderlands drama existed until i typed it in

[tawny dove]

Thank you

[real oracle]

and that hes part of the crowd that hates bl3 sooo much they put arms race in bl2!!!

[wheat harbor]

i think the redux team did some cool stuff for sure

[trim hinge]

this game dont get content very often of course there's gonna be drama

[kindred marlin]

what of boatload of AZZZZ

[wheat harbor]

but some of the design choices are just questionable as hell

[real oracle]

borderlands drama is stupid and im not interested in anything unless someone is just wrong about how the game works

[trim hinge]

nothing else to do

[tawdry shell]

i can’t think of a fandom without any drama tbh

[real oracle]

everything else is irrelevant

[wheat harbor]

its literally fat baby yells at screen

[tawdry shell]

[tawdry shell]

[real oracle]

all that matters is that everyone has correct takes about the game itself

and how it works, and that everyone is correct like i am

[trim hinge]

personally my takes are always correct

and if they arent im just being ironic

[wheat harbor]

my takes are correct and id never be wrong

its the game thats wrong

[kindred marlin]

drama consiting of
youtube bully youtuber
youtuber makes alt account to advertise self on reddit(why even go there)
youtuber makes a diss track on youtuber over bl?

youtuber leaks nda

and thats all i can see

[rough galleon]

Im now looking at the code to correct my takes :V

[real mango]

And entitled

Very

[trim hinge]

nah

[rough galleon]

you still yapping bud?

[real oracle]

oh my gah he gonna cry or smth idk

[rough galleon]

maybe shit and cum

[trim hinge]

THATS NOT BLACKISTED??

[tawdry shell]

[rough galleon]

YOOO

[kindred marlin]

low-key im not even paying attention

[wheat harbor]

yeah
because cucumber

[trim hinge]

thats funny af

[wheat harbor]

i think we can technically blacklist stuff so it only triggers on its own but

eh

[real oracle]

oh thats not blacklisted, but the entire grenade behaviorproviderdefinition is???

[trim hinge]

lazy i get it

[real oracle]

shit server

[trim hinge]

you should send it here

[rough galleon]

I was taking a gamble and it works

[real oracle]

for sure

[trim hinge]

for the funny

[rough galleon]

ALWAYS GAMBA

[kindred marlin]

one 1% battery

[real oracle]

always gambia

[wheat harbor]

i hate working with vectors

[real oracle]

🇬🇲

[real oracle]

like in the game or in linear algebra

[wheat harbor]

had to recreate how the game handles momentum in python

[wheat harbor]

well
in game in python?

[real oracle]

cuz ik vector variables are off limits in bpds

[wheat harbor]

just so i can make it so you dont get hurt by self radius damage, but will take knockback

[real oracle]

i havent has to deal with them

[wheat harbor]

the stuff for processing momentum is like buried in 5 different functions

pita

[real oracle]

and then i still dont know what the fuck the accelerationdotproduct attribute is used for

what the fuck is it being dotted with

[wheat harbor]

THE NAME MAKES NO SENSE

its like 1 if youre going forwards or right
-1 if left or back

[real oracle]

[trim hinge]

what

[wheat harbor]

idfk how its calculated

[real oracle]

HOW

[trim hinge]

incredible

[real oracle]

THATS NOT WHAT DOT IS

[wheat harbor]

YEA

[real oracle]

god

[wheat harbor]

DOT PRODUCT OF WHAT

[trim hinge]

this game is so shit

[wheat harbor]

YOU CANT MULTIPLY WITH ONLY ONE THING

[real mango]

So beautiful

[rough galleon]

best game ever excuse you

[tawdry shell]

u can if you believe :)

[rough galleon]

Joltz said it himself smh

[wheat harbor]

are u a joltz fan

[trim hinge]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/968987328855040002/1284737337560928306/RDT_20240908_1253504119692813922119875.gif

[real mango]

No but I'm not an entitled basement dweller like 90% of this server

[wheat harbor]

im enjoying his snowbound maya at least

as its more like his classic content

[real mango]

I'm not a fan but I do enjoy a vid once in a great while

[wheat harbor]

except now every joltz fan is playing and trying to turn sprinting back on

[trim hinge]

figured that

[wheat harbor]

i always chuckle that whenever joltz plays a mod theres a noticeable uptick in people needing support with the mod

[real oracle]

bruh aint no way

i refuse to believe that

[real mango]

Not a joltz fan but sure does talk about him alot

Got it

[wheat harbor]

eh?

its called an ongoing conversation

[real oracle]

ngl ive seen snowbound talked relatively the same amount it always was

maybe a bit more

but thas about it

[trim hinge]

snowbound movement is soo nice

[wheat harbor]

youre not in the support server funko

or have to deal with it

[real oracle]

i wouldnt know, i hate dr bongs,,,,

[wheat harbor]

this was a pain

[real oracle]

ok im gonna sound like a shithead but is dr representing an arbitrarily small value or just the difference in position

or is it just normalized, dx dy and dz

[wheat harbor]

where is dr

[real oracle]

i just called it that

<dx,dy,dz>, i always call vectors r smh

[wheat harbor]

oh direction is the direction from hurt origin to player location

so calculate the difference between the two vectors then normalise

[real oracle]

god i fucking hate the way you named its components

[wheat harbor]

i actually realised i could just delete em cause
i can just momentum_vector = tuple(a * momentum for a in direction)

[real oracle]

wait a sec u didnt call an impulse momentum did you,,,

[wheat harbor]

i just called it what the game did!!

[real oracle]

fair enough

smh if i catch you callin an impulse momentum ima beat the shit outa you

[wheat harbor]

i just had to reimplement the maths to convert the impulse to momentum

[real oracle]

i was just sayin that cuz its something you would do

but no zazk told me all about how vector variables are basically untouchable in the game without sdk stuff

[wheat harbor]

well
you can do stuff with vectors in bpds

just trying to set a bpd variable via command causes it to explode

which is why i dont include the variable data in my bpd hotfixes

i just

[tawdry shell]

goddamn

[wraith token]

@rough galleon is this fine for a build?

[real mango]

Not bad

Usable

[rough galleon]

what is your main weapon? cuz if its not a 2 shot shotgun, Inconceivable would be stronger

[wraith token]

I could swap to a 2 shot shotgun. But I’m currently using a dpuh

[rough galleon]

swap Fill the Brim for it then

[wraith token]

Okay.

[rough galleon]

otherwise the build looks fine ya

[wraith token]

Goddamn, I just 1cycled health AND got a second wind off him.

1 cycles both health and incinerator now. Jfc

[rough galleon]

congratz

[wraith token]

Now 1 cycled brood. I’m gonna do this holy shit.

I DID IT.

[rough galleon]

big

[wraith token]

And I got an omen to drop.

[rough galleon]

Omen is good

[wraith token]

It’s a fire omen.

[rough galleon]

thats still good

[wraith token]

Parts are ASS

Jakobs grip, bandit stock.

[rough galleon]

just farm them again

[wraith token]

Also. Doesn’t Terra literally drop nothing notable for most VH?

[real oracle]

the teeth of terra and pitchfork are pretty good but fairly outclassed and akward

but all the class mods kinda suck except ig the gaige one

[copper wasp]

And even then the Gaige one only has the +4 Preshrunk Cyberpunk going for it

[wraith token]

So killing Terra is just for flex?

[rough galleon]

has some drops but yeah, not that much stuff

[copper wasp]

Theoretically no, functionally yes

[wraith token]

Fair enough

[copper wasp]

Because Terra does technically have something worth going after (Hide of Terra), but it’s also such a tedious farm of any kind (decent rolls have drop chances in at least the range of one in millions) that it functionally doesn’t matter

[rough galleon]

meanwhile Dexi is purely for a flex

[copper wasp]

You do need to kill Terra for a side quest though

[rough galleon]

2 achievements for Terra (-w-)b

[lunar hound]

Am i slowly witnessing funkos deep plunge into college math madness

[rough galleon]

wdym slowly?

I thought the man's knee deep in already

[wraith token]

Welp. Time to go to UVHM.

Gotta go back to using slagga probably.

[karmic ridge]

How do I go back to normal mode

[wraith token]

Goddamn UVHM is feeling super easy rn just because of being sal and having a slagga with DPUH.

[tawdry shell]

chose your playthrough on your character

[karmic ridge]

Ok

[wheat harbor]

well then its not really worth using moneyshot and inconcievable

[rough galleon]

how come? a DPUH has 12+ shots right and they dont have NKLO yet

[wheat harbor]

youre not getting a lot out of moneyshot with incon going

[rough galleon]

so would fill the brim be better in that case?

I was under the assumption that the money shot chain would be better

[wheat harbor]

id actually not take moneyshot

[rough galleon]

oh interesting

[wheat harbor]

moneyshot chains are INCREDIBLY overrated

theyre stupid fukin rare to actually trigger

they just mentally stand out for when they do happen cause of the sound effect

plus harold is already stupid strong

[rough galleon]

fair enough, I dont play Salv too much so my knowledge on how strong he can be is glitches/exploits or money shot lol

[wheat harbor]

better off taking lay waste to combine with incon for just a bullet storm

yeah a lot of people massively overcentralise with moneyshot on sal
despite it being almost useless on a lot of setups

[rough galleon]

I see...so its generally better to play Salv with just full auto rather than relying on a money shot chain?

[wheat harbor]

yea

[rough galleon]

(-w-)b

[wraith token]

Gotta love when I kill snowflake first time on UVHM and first train I get a legendary class mod for a different character 😂

[subtle storm]

Peak

[wheat harbor]

poggers

[vital mango]

They need to make a "blood-line ender", it's the orphan maker but with 10x and 20x self damage. But pellets stick to enemies with 0 impact damage and have delayed explosions.

[subtle storm]

random bandit drops deliverance

[lunar hound]

Suspiciously perfectly parted

[tiny thorn]

Ah crap....

[tiny thorn]

I did this with my build...

[wheat harbor]

what uh
weapons are you using

[tiny thorn]

Idk.. low mag weapons..
I haven't played him yet,
This was just theorizing Money Shot asap by dumping the mag asap and only taking the +mag in tier 1 of Rampage but not taking any other +mag/+bullet skills..

[vital mango]

https://tenor.com/view/dumbwaystodie-numpty-hapless-pillock-dippy-gif-7994908149913575142

[wheat harbor]

are you planning on putting your damage weapon in the offhand or mainhand?
are you using multi pellet guns?

[tiny thorn]

Umm... Idk Sal's tricks.. I know of them..
Like PimpAhab or something with Flakker being boosted by another weapon.

I was honestly just planning on using pistols.. idk which.. Grog & Harold?

[peak ether]

The best guns to use for Money Shot setups are Jakobs shotguns in your left hand Rubi/Grog/Lady Fist in your right

Money Shot only looks at the mag for the gun in your right hand when calculating if you get the full bonus

[grizzled oracle]

that was a pretty good one

[unreal grove]

Trying yhe bl2 nuzlocke

This shit is gonna be ass lol

[opal ingot]

@real oracle

[real oracle]

beautiful

[tiny thorn]

I would not want to do this...
This game is already RNG...

[unreal grove]

bl1*

not 2

2 would be aaaass

[tiny thorn]

I haven't played 1 since release

[steel lodge]

How close to optimal is this roll? @tawdry shell

[tawdry shell]

just look on loot lemon

[steel lodge]

Oh thats right

Looks like it just needs loaded

[tawdry shell]

if your planning on primarily using pistols then that one should work fine i think

idk why they put loaded on that com

[opal ingot]

cuz i said so

[steel lodge]

Its definitely nice because I plan to use both. I feel like having a gunslinger com still allows you to do decent dmg with snipers

[wheat harbor]

always assumed it was an accident tbh

[steel lodge]

But idk if thats true with a sniper com for pistols

[tawdry shell]

fair, it’s the first game after all

having it boost hair trigger makes a lot more sense

[heady marten]

Always imagined they used the loaded skill for players that may alternate between pistols and snipers during combat. Use a boosted mag sniper and if the enemy gets close surprise them the huge fire rate boost

[peak ether]

best passives and the only skill it's missing is Loaded which only boosts snipers

[wheat harbor]

honestly tho
i dont even find loaded all that useful
its cool but
its just mag size on the character with the most reload speed

[heady marten]

It helps a lot like the Dahl Penetrator, Invader, or maybe just the average sniper with the 3 mag size

[wheat harbor]

eh
penetrator sure

[real oracle]

someone called the executioner the invader 💀 💀💀

?ban @heady marten

[serene escarp]

❌ Error! Could not ban @heady marten as a joke. Please try again.

[wheat harbor]

(i also dont even find snipers that good for mordi since pistols can do sniping and more)

[real oracle]

that might be real,,,,

[heady marten]

Yeah pistols in BL1 can be accurate enough to match most of the distance a sniper provides

Get a good revolver with a high zoom scope and you've kind of got a sniper rifle but smaller and with more rounds to use

[peak ether]

me when a masher does the jobs of both shotguns and snipers better

[wheat harbor]

real

revolvers are snipers and shotguns
repeaters and machines are your ar/smgs

[heady marten]

May refer to the almighty lemon

[wheat harbor]

its such an insanely diverse category of weapons because it takes two completely different weapon types
not just sub types

[heady marten]

Besides "Invader" sounds a lot more sniper-ish than "Executioner"

[wheat harbor]

its why id honestly argue the weapon type specific skills in the trees are dumb
technically mordi is focused to "pistols"
but that barely effects how he plays edue to them being so diverse

[heady marten]

I tend to not invest much into weapon specific skill trees with few exceptions because I like using many of the guns the game throws at me

[wheat harbor]

yeah its why i do like lilith a lot

at least her skill tree is super flexible

sure she has an smg com
but it boosts skills that work for anything so i can just run a merc lilith with any gun

[heady marten]

I always felt Lilith was the one you pick if you like elemental damage. The later BL games broadened my views of potential

I rarely if ever use non element guns with Lilith cause I just feel it takes away from her charm and style of being the games "mage" character in a way with the magic bullets that zap and melt XD

[real oracle]

but but maya is the smg char- the fucking legendary siren boosts enough dps skills

[modest forum]

Ok I know this weapon was hack so I am at a crossroads. You see I ask on trades if someone could get me an acid Babymaker and someone told me they had one so I went into their game. I got this along with its clone, and 2 more of it only it has the Bandit brand on those so obviously all 4 of them been hack but 2 of them are leagel... he told me he spent 300 hours farming them but obviously it's full of bull.
Sadly and unfortunately I already have to give my self 2 strikes in my challenge because I ended up using gear that someone has given me that I had no ideal that it was hack up till too late as I use them at least once in some side missions.

Should I make an exception with this weapon since it is leagel?

Especially since my rules say no illegal gear to be use.

[rough galleon]

Its your rules...why are you asking others on how you should play your own rules?

[modest forum]

True.

[modest forum]

I guss I being well..... I don't know after accidentally breaking my rules twice I guss I being a little paranoid.

Well for now let's just say I got no ideal if it's hack or not since I got no proof. But the ones with the bandit brands on them yeah they had got to go.

[rough galleon]

Then sell/remove the gun
Continue your playthrough
Simple as

[peak ether]

You got it from someone else

either way you didn't get as a drop

it doesn't matter if they edited it in or if you did yourself

[modest forum]

K.

[peak ether]

whether you decide to use it tho is up to you

just pointing out that it's pointless to split hairs over if the gear someone else gives you was actually farmed or gibbed

[wheat harbor]

yeah
either way you got it for free so

[modest forum]

In a side note one of the loaders I killed drop this.

[modest forum]

Well I am getting good drops tonight.

[real oracle]

about that

[rough galleon]

Funny Wanderlust mentioned

[modest forum]

Yeah.... I tested them out.... they are crap.

[real oracle]

cowabummer

but it is what it is

[modest forum]

Finally getting legendary drops and they are crap.... except for the class mod.... I think.

[real oracle]

the pointman com is kinda shit?

v redundant and no damage

[rough galleon]

Logans gun has its uses

Rocket ammo but hey
It has its uses

[peak ether]

Leg Pointman is Axton's worst leg com I think

[modest forum]

...... dang.

[rough galleon]

I thought it was a Soldier until I opened the picture

Now that would be a good drop lol

[peak ether]

Actually all of Axton's Gen 2 Leg coms are kinda pointless

Leg Ranger is bugged and doesn't boost Onslaught correctly

and Leg Engineer is Leg Soldier but slightly dif?

[real oracle]

it's

it's a better purple com

[rough galleon]

Kinda crazy that all the other gen 2s are usually used
Then theres Axton

[real oracle]

the legendary engineer is fine but does not compete with the soldier

[modest forum]

I think once I beat Jack I might go out and try to find a better class mod then what I got here.

[peak ether]

Which is a shame because Axton has some pretty funny blue coms that would've made for great legendaries

[rough galleon]

Like Reaper, Sniper, Cat, Anarchist and Hoarder
All very nice Legendaries

Then Axton just..exists

Legendary Grenadier when?

[real oracle]

his blue coms can peak v high as purples too tbf

[real oracle]

fuck you

[rough galleon]

LOL

[peak ether]

Imagine Leg Grenadier or Veteran

[real oracle]

"purple com but better" is one of the most egregious things ive ever seen this game do

[rough galleon]

Veteran is the one with Metal Storm right?