bl1-2-tps-media

[real oracle]

so you're tellin me it's NOT just 2009?

[wheat harbor]

but its not really restorable due to the layout of the skill trees

[cunning sable]

No its 2010, the world is gonna end

[wheat harbor]

yeah

they actually massively simplified the skill trees

everyone was going to have 3 trees for
combat
instinct
action skill

[real oracle]

man zeta you shoulda seen nex gushing over bl2 vr's skills

[cunning sable]

Instinct?

[real oracle]

she actually felt like it was the best version of bl2 (as in cool)

[wheat harbor]

basically what was the original mechanic that became kill skills

but it wasnt just going to be
kill enemy > get timed bonus

Relentless Killer
As Mordecai chains kills, he grows faster and and more powerful!

[cunning sable]

But thats what stayed

[wheat harbor]

Aggressive Recovery
Regenerate more Health with every kill!

Assassination
Mordecai deals bonus damage with bullets

Head Hunter
Gives bonus instinct power from critical hits

[wheat harbor]

yeah im saying it originally was more complicated than just kill skills

[wheat harbor]

i didnt even know bl2 vr had different skills

Long Chain
Slows the falloff speed of Relentless Killer

mordi basically was crit krieg

or the original zane

lilith would build up instinct through applying dots and "giving damage"? i assume it just means dealing damage

[lofty flame]

So basically bloodlust?

[grizzled oracle]

salvador moment

[tall surge]

Waw, many skill

[leaden stag]

least cheesy salvador player be like

[trim hinge]

https://tenor.com/view/risk-of-rain2-risk-of-rain-ror-ror2-skill-issue-gif-25665859

[tawdry shell]

https://tenor.com/view/risk-of-rain2-risk-of-rain-item-items-brilliant-behemoth-gif-25587988

[wheat harbor]

throwback to when i gave myself 50 behemoths

[tawdry shell]

W

it’s such a funny item

[edgy vortex]

its a joke. yesterday he said shock is better than explosive

[cunning sable]

cause it is

[edgy vortex]

on krieg? youre smoking

[cunning sable]

shock has no resistances compared to explosive

except on shock enemies

[edgy vortex]

it rlly doesnt matter on krieg though and it was a joke like i said

it was just funny

but krieg explo fastball is quite literally the best grenade possible

you dont get bloodsplosion from a shock fastball which is the build i run on most of my kreigs

[leaden stag]

you get blood splosion from any element whats that statement supposed to mean

[edgy vortex]

worded that wrong

krieg gets the most explosive element damage over any other element, meaning you get the most bloodsplosion from explosive fastball

[grizzled oracle]

@untold laurel this has every shield on it you could just look at the parts

[untold laurel]

Thank you

[glass vessel]

@tawdry shell Borderlands will have like completely illegible notes hung up places and meanwhile this IV bag is juts perfect LOL

[leaden stag]

based

[glass vessel]

The base is sodium

[leaden stag]

we draw at noon

[glass vessel]

[tawdry shell]

wack

[tawdry shell]

insane drop at the start of uvhm

from a random bandit lol

good lord

first double anarchy i've found this run

really lol spawn chance it seems

[tawdry shell]

sledges shotgun actually has knockback in blassic so

yeah

[tawdry shell]

might be the other marker you accidently put on the map

[quiet python]

im facing that direction and theres no waypoint on the map

but there is on the hud

[tawdry shell]

just ignore it for now i guess

enhanced is weird

[quiet python]

average borderlands cheese experience

[tawdry shell]

[real oracle]

gj

[tawdry shell]

amazing loot tinder thank you

YOOOO

first hybrid and pearl of the run lmao

[untold laurel]

how do I download this without it corrupting?

[grizzled oracle]

I forgot to mention that it's an xbox save

[untold laurel]

ohhhh

okay well that checks out

[grizzled oracle]

Just open it with fibbed as an xbox dave

[real oracle]

waho

not a double dip so i can prob turn up the numbers

[silver heath]

That skills actually fire

[real oracle]

bruh how the fuck do i make it show up as a proc

theres no target contexts 💀

why did i use shock storm as the base

[tawdry shell]

thank god

tried to get a funny screenshot of roland like mid swing at lilith and ended up with this

yeah

[quiet python]

does this look alright so far?

[tawdry shell]

no

max out your skills before moving on to another

[quiet python]

understood

[tawdry shell]

what level?

[quiet python]

17, and does this apply to every borderlands game?

[tawdry shell]

yeah

[quiet python]

oh okay

[tawdry shell]

the only time you don't max out skills is usually in endgame

when you have class mods that boost stuff by +5 and such, but that's more for the other games

[tawdry shell]

can you show your gear?

also are you trying to lean more towards melee rn?

[quiet python]

im leaning towards whatever allows me to not die the fastest 💀 and thats usually my ability saving me

[tawdry shell]

i guess do this for now?
https://www.lootlemon.com/class/brick#_5500020_0000000_0000000

personally if it was me and i was trying to avoid dying i'd maybe do this for rn
https://www.lootlemon.com/class/brick#_0000000_5502000_0000000

im not super familiar with brick however

[quiet python]

38 for the first shotgun

[tawdry shell]

why two shotguns?

[quiet python]

🤷 i also use a flame pistol

[quiet python]

works very nicely against most of the enemies right now

[tawdry shell]

nice

[quiet python]

is there anything specifically that i should swap or be looking out for? i have a rocket launcher but i really dont like them as they end up doing alot less damage than my regular guns

[tawdry shell]

nothing off the top my head really, just try out what looks good

[quiet python]

alrighty, much appreciated

[quiet python]

wow! from the 30 cases of ammo and 10 lockers i just passed, into the waypoint and dropdown, i could never guess whats about to happen!

[tawdry shell]

oh yeah tip for revolvers

if it has a slow fire rate, but a quick (or at least faster then said fire rate) reload speed, it's better to shoot, reload, shoot, reload

[quiet python]

i recognize this guys face but i dont at the same time, is this one of the bosses ill see again as not a boss from the dialogue

[quiet python]

what if its magazine size is shitty but shoots and reloads fast

[tawdry shell]

he's the final boss of the knoxx dlc

[tawdry shell]

2 magazine is good

cause it uh

i beleive it's mag 5?

it's why it has only 2 shots, cause it's got hella stat boosts

[quiet python]

uh something like that

[tawdry shell]

yeah

revolvers is probably one fo the best weapon classes in 1

pistols as a whole, my favorite weapon type

they're very fun, although all the weapons in the first game are really

[quiet python]

im sorry 33 THOUSAND??

[tawdry shell]

sell every item you find that you won’t use lol

[quiet python]

yeah i do that but each item is still 1-5k and 33k is huge for only what it offers

[glass vessel]

@wheat harbor

[wheat harbor]

oohhh that pearl

atlas pearl
not pearl rarity

[glass vessel]

Ooooooooooo dang didn’t know

Great roll though

@tidal basin

It’s not a pearl

[tidal basin]

Dang

It's still a good gun though

[tawdry shell]

ending off the night by snagging one of my favorite pearls :3

[opal ingot]

green ravager

bandit grip infinity

[lunar hound]

Deputy sals wet dream

Oh me stupid its bl1 talk

[lunar hound]

Also hes playing roland

[tawdry shell]

erm actually it’s a matador

a stupidly good one at that

[opal ingot]

erm actually shoo

[tawdry shell]

besides common rarity blassic kinda throws rarity out the window

this green one is insane

also the invader is really funny

40 mag with heavy gunner com

[cunning sable]

But wait your run would end at Control Core, every time smh

[dusty quartz]

Bought Pandoras Box, played BL1 evrything is fine. Going on to Number 2 and I just keep getting the error i've posted 😦 I've verified files and everything. don't know what to do, wondering if anyone has seen the same thing

[sly ferry]

INSANE lore drop from randy

[errant token]

Steele's sleeper build

[cunning sable]

Yeah i dunno if i belive that
From Randy?

[real oracle]

retcon momen

that's just an excuse for them to reuse textures

[cunning sable]

Id belive it more if she painted her tattoos on to feel important

[austere sierra]

@proud flame

[tawdry shell]

i’d probably use the dahl one, the atlas one wouldn’t be bad for stuff weak to corrosive

but idk if your near any enemies like that in the story rn

[quiet python]

theres another one but yeah theyre all like 80dmg under

heres my guns i use right now and these are what i have to pick from

[real oracle]

hey careful dont get muted

[real oracle]

ok those purple revolvers are kinda cracked

[quiet python]

for what? im confused i did double gun ss's

[real oracle]

ah ok

yeah just dont post more than 3 pics in one message, 2 is safe tho

[quiet python]

ah okay, thank you for letting me know

[quiet python]

is this any good?

[glass vessel]

Depends on your build

[quiet python]

seeing as im level 22, i dont really have a build right now 😅 this is the only other one I have so i think i like the one i have now better

[glass vessel]

I mean you have perks unlocked, if the class mods helps though then use it or if it has perks you plan on using also use it

[tawdry hatch]

Borderlands on this monitor is something else

Some of the games UI has absolutely no idea what to do

[quiet python]

im sorry 0 accuracy?

[heady marten]

It's a very up close and personal shotgun
The accuracy as horrible but it has a knockback effect on enemies that works super good on Badass psychos and can send them flying away

[lofty flame]

Dont worry it can go negative on some guns

[quiet python]

So should I keep my 43x11 scattershot-shotgun or run with this?

[heady marten]

All Jakobs guns with the XX prefix have this effect but Sledges Shotgun really makes the most of it

[heady marten]

Take Sledges shotgun. It's super good at close range and will decimate most things

[lofty flame]

You could always just use both and see wich one you like more

[tawdry shell]

i LOVE sledges it’s so silly

[heady marten]

Easily one of the best BL1 shotguns

[lofty flame]

One of my favorite guns on Roland

[heady marten]

And the fact that it's a guaranteed drop each time you fight Sledge is amazing

[lofty flame]

Gets beat by the Boom Stick but its super fun

[heady marten]

Also with Roland you can boost your mag size skills and with a com you can give the shotgun a 3 or more round burst instead of just the two which makes more of a difference than you might think

Also good for Mordecai cause sometimes enemies might get too close and this thing is a good tool for whatever you can't snipe. Combine this with his trespass skill and you can kill Mr Shank with one pull of the trigger, and any Eridian that gets close to you will regret it

[tawdry shell]

sledges boomstick when

[lofty flame]

Soon™️

[tawdry shell]

[rough galleon]

too broke 😦

[lofty flame]

Get your money up

[rough galleon]

real

[heady marten]

Aurelia not being able to afford a gun feels so wrong considering her character and personality

[rough galleon]

heh

[cunning sable]

Thats a pretty shit maggie

[lofty flame]

It do be level 33 tho

[lunar hound]

err pretty mid roll

actually no its like bad

mali exhaust and sight

[hushed pawn]

😂😂 damn

Still a hive tho ig

[lunar hound]

vladof grip is ehh and reload prefix is okay early game

yeah it is

hive is insane

look at krieg on the peak

[hushed pawn]

Anybody wanna join my game I definitely won’t do anything with my hive 👀

[lunar hound]

most goated second wind weapon

gl tryna do friendly fire glitch

[hushed pawn]

😂😂

[lunar hound]

its kinda tough if your hive has rocket speexd

[hushed pawn]

Facts, tbh I’ll end up killing my dumbass anyways 😂

[lunar hound]

real

i did that once accidentally on the peak with krieg

[tawdry shell]

apparently the mortars that launch after meeting brick are spawning from this random perch up on this cliff near bunker

oh alright

i think it's supposed to be those little gusts of snow in the wind that spawn around the map

[leaden stag]

I had that same glitch happen once

I have no clue how the fuck you did it as host tho

I thought it was lag caused

[lapis dust]

ik he mad

[lapis dust]

little gusts of missing textures lmao blud forgot to install cs source

[ionic remnant]

is this a good roll for kreig?

not for kreig, in general

[trail shoal]

So woke I stayed awake until the next day

[glass vessel]

[fervent dew]

rofl, too bad i didnt find this a little earlier

[grand terrace]

such a nice mission 😭

[wind token]

😭

[lunar hound]

saddest shit ever

like it was towards binary boss for op10

[tidal obsidian]

One of the most hard and philosophical quest ever made

[tidal obsidian]

[tidal obsidian]

Im not gonna lie. That was impressive

[wind token]

i was actually crying because i'm too bad to get peak done with krieg 😔

[lunar hound]

I know u got this

I thought i was bad too

Until i tried

[opal ingot]

skill issue

[lunar hound]

what the hell

[opal ingot]

i did it before you and i'm not even a krieg main smh

[lunar hound]

This was superziomas the whole time lmoa

[opal ingot]

indeed

[wind token]

and what is that supposed to tell me? yeah great for you then

should i feel ashamed now and be depressed? i already am, so thanks

well, sorry, but this peak thing is stressing me out since years, and the only time i got to op10 was by skipping peak so i dont feel very great about it

[lunar hound]

Really relate to this one

[opal ingot]

i just looked through the convo in the bl2 channel and decided to make this

[tawdry shell]

i don’t get why they didn’t make jakobs and torgue have e-tech

[cunning sable]

Jakobs is old fashioned and cool
They didn't want no new fangled flashy etech

Now tourge im not sure
Maybe he didnt see value in it

He seemed pretty passionate about his creations

[tawdry shell]

fair enough

[cunning sable]

The swordsploion is an exception of course but its from tina dlc so

[glass vessel]

Closest thing you get is Zarpedons pistol in TPS

[rough galleon]

Stinkpot exists

[glass vessel]

True true

[cunning sable]

Not really an etech, its just a cannon thats made corrosive

[glass vessel]

Laser weapon is not etech

[rough galleon]

And on that
Twister too

Yeah but doesnt fall into the norms of a Jakob weapon

[glass vessel]

You know what better than etech

[rough galleon]

Eridian?

[glass vessel]

Bouncy ball tech

[cunning sable]

Twiater is more strange then the Stinkpot but

[glass vessel]

IE Globetrotter

[rough galleon]

I liked bl1 Eridian guns

[glass vessel]

I like them in theory but functionally I don’t like them

[rough galleon]

I remember my first time experiencing one
I was like
INFINITE ROCKET LAUNCHER WEEEE

Yeah they dont feel too good to use but still, cool alien tech

[glass vessel]

Absolutely

Yo I got a gun in bL1 it’s stuck a strong roll

[cunning sable]

The strangest Jakobs yet is probably the Lucky 7

[glass vessel]

It’s lvl 16 and still burning lvl 35 enemies

[rough galleon]

Pog

[rough galleon]

From bl3 right?

[cunning sable]

Yes

[rough galleon]

Heh
Funny pistol go BRRRRR

[rough galleon]

+103% dmg goes crazy

[glass vessel]

Bl1 Atlas weapon✅
Bl3 atlas weapons ❌

[glass vessel]

Right!

[rough galleon]

Atlas in bl3 feels so clunky

[glass vessel]

And personally I prefer no scope or minimal scope weapons

[rough galleon]

Ive tried their pistols ars and rockets
Just not for me

[glass vessel]

Yeah same

I like torgue as a dude but I don’t like his weapons

[rough galleon]

Tho i do like Torgue's sticky option
Thats pretty fun

[glass vessel]

Very true

[rough galleon]

Idm Torgue weapons
I do know they are slow but usually packs a punch whenever they are introduced

Jakobs and Hyperion will always be my fav manufactuers for weapons tho

Mailwan aesthetically

[glass vessel]

I love Jakobs I could never really get into Hyperion weapons, but I do love the butcher in bl3

It’s like an SMG that’s a shotgun

[rough galleon]

The recoil on that is ungodly at times tho
Not sure if practiable fixes that

[glass vessel]

Just got to be in hugging distance

[rough galleon]

heh

[glass vessel]

I never liked the feel of Hyperion weapons in 2

[rough galleon]

me on Gaige with a Corrosive Butcher against 2 Saturns

its me or them

[glass vessel]

The sway always annoyed me

[rough galleon]

they gave me second winds on flyers, I will always respect Hyperion SMGs and SGs ever since

[glass vessel]

S&S is dope im bL1 they should bring them back

[rough galleon]

been using a Hyperion Sniper on Aurelia in TPS too and surprisingly not too shabby

[glass vessel]

AURELIA IS TANK

[rough galleon]

nom

bro, her Master Servant tree is so much fun man

[glass vessel]

Truth

“Diamond slap”

What a horrible woman

But a fantastic character

[rough galleon]

"Rich Bitch" as one would say

the bitch slap into a sniper headshot has been my staple

PLUS MAGIC BULLET IS SUCH A FUN SKILL AAAAAA

being a TF2 Explosive Headshot sniper that can AoE heal off the crit hit, it doesnt need to even kill, is so nice

my friend is playing Athena in the front lines so from across the room, I can just res or heal her with each headshot

[glass vessel]

Yoooo great combo

The only VH I didn’t super enjoy in that game is Wilhelm I liked his melee though

[tall surge]

Damn athena getting that free massive crit bonus

[rough galleon]

yeee

I still need to play half of the cast more
Wilhelm might be next; seems like a lot of synergy with a broken shield LOL

[cunning sable]

If you played axton he has a similar feel

Not exact but

Saint and Wolf can be cracked tho

[rough galleon]

yeah, I looked over the skills
he is probs closer to Zane's Mantis from how Wolf acts

[leaden stag]

Weakhelm

[wind token]

didnt mean to, sorry

plus i'm already recovered a lot, so not really depressed anymore, but pretty unstable

[quiet python]

for overall damage, which is best?

[real oracle]

prob just corrosive for the dot and also debuff

[opal ingot]

i always did explosive cuz i enjoy not being able to see stuff

[static quail]

what tf is this]

popped up when i launched up bl goty

[tawdry shell]

old windows stuff

just install it

[static quail]

ok ok

[glass vessel]

Ever noticed this little guy in Tbone junction…

@tall surge this you?

[real oracle]

oh unb it was a fucking big boom blaster buff

yeah uhh can you see if it works

[wind token]

you should play krieg

[opal ingot]

already have
so i'll pass

[tall surge]

ofc you dont youre a bl3 player

[opal ingot]

true

[real oracle]

the utd 500% elem crit blade fury infusion b&m player in question

[tall surge]

hey funko is my build good

[trim hinge]

🐠

[real oracle]

maybe

[trim hinge]

damn crazy

[quiet python]

is this skill worth buying for brick? seems iffy

[austere sierra]

Grats

[tawdry shell]

any mods?

[fast idol]

I run UCP and dassit.

[tawdry shell]

that’s why

i can’t remember if ucp buffs the drop rate or the parts it typically spawns with, maybe both

[fast idol]

Just checked, and it is so. Had no knowledge of that... kinda stings.

[cunning sable]

ok makes sense

no one just gets a perfect hide

[fast idol]

Next time I get one it'll be without that pesky buff.

[cunning sable]

have fun qith a 1/97 million

[trim hinge]

erm actually its a 1/96.446.700 million

[cunning sable]

you 1/.9 chance to be annoying

[fast idol]

I will (once I learn to solo the fight since both times it's been pub co-op).

[trim hinge]

good luck with that

[rough galleon]

Dem dashes are nice ngl

[quiet python]

dem?

[rough galleon]

Them but literally a letter shorter

Regardless
Sting like a Bee is pretty niffy for chaining kills, not sure how it values outside of that but I usually get a few spare points into it myself

[quiet python]

oh, im sorry i was thinking of an acryonym 😭

[quiet python]

this is what ive got so far and was just curious if it was any good, thank you!

[rough galleon]

I havent played bl1 is a hot minute
Blue Knight, Pink the Brick Main and theres one more but I cant remember their current discord name would have a better insight than me in the BL1 channel

Tho it looks fine? I mightve gotten some points into Brawler's last skill and some more into the skill reset than getting Healthy maxed out

Also I like Prized Fighter 😦

[tawdry shell]

i know nothing about brick lol

[rough galleon]

Ive tried

[quiet python]

The excess health isnt exactly needed but there are times where I almost die from running in with beserk, which is why i prompted to max it out

[rough galleon]

Thats valid

oh wait, the last skill is Blood Sport which gives health regen off kills LOL

[lapis dust]

OMG XAM REFERENCE @glass vessel

[quiet python]

I was between bloodsport, sting like a bee, rapid reload or juggernaut next so 🤷

[rough galleon]

oh there's no Roid in BL1

I might go something like this with a Skirmisher or Berserker COM personally since I like to kill before it becomes a problem

if you want something more defensive, keep your setup as is and work towards Juggernaut and Bash (Daze is a really strong debuff)

not sure what kind of shield Brick wants tho since he has both Unbreakable and Pay Back if the shield goes down and Hardened for a lack of

[quiet python]

Im actually using a beserker right now😂 , speaking of, can the effects of a COM stack over a max perk? so since the cap is 5 could it go to 7 or 8 if a COM adds more than that?

[rough galleon]

yes

[tawdry shell]

yes

[rough galleon]

+3 Blood Sport 😦

Get one point to get that regen going heh

[quiet python]

is +3 blood sport bad? seems like a pretty good perk

and it already works unless thats not what you mean

[rough galleon]

What I mean is your build doesnt have a single point in Blood Sport

you need at least one point in the skill for the COM to influence it

[quiet python]

But it works already- Everytime I kill something I get regen

[rough galleon]

wait huh?

[quiet python]

Yeah 😭 I get the regen already, its saved me many times

[rough galleon]

oh then nvm, just keep working towards Bash and Juggernaut then

I can't remember if BL1 COMs follows the same rules as the other games

[tawdry shell]

they do, you need one point invested for the skill to work

[rough galleon]

ok Im not going crazy

[quiet python]

but it works already, like im being for real ill get a clip, also the blue seems better no?

[rough galleon]

Top is better

[tawdry shell]

i t think berserk has small regen on its own no?

[quiet python]

outside of beserk it regens me, and yeah it does

[rough galleon]

Literally the same stats if Heavy Handed is +2 after a kill (24% melee dmg after a kill)
otherwise a dps lost

[rough galleon]

Might sound silly to ask but you dont happen to be equiping a hp regen shield right?

[quiet python]

oh hey

[glass vessel]

YESSS YESSSSS

look for another cat and dog near the claptrap units desks in jacks office

[quiet python]

yknow, after i spent 50 grand on it, youd think i wouldve read it

well ill throw my next point into bloodsport then 😭 i did not realize at all

[rough galleon]

yeaaaaa all good

[lapis dust]

ill do it when i stop by again cause im at the laser section

[glass vessel]

🔥🔥🔥

[peak ether]

depends on setup

[rough galleon]

yeah, Ive read what you said in BL1
Brick just seems great overall for defense

[peak ether]

Gun leaning setups want Pangolin while melee wants Torgue

[rough galleon]

what does each do?

I assume Pangolin is high capacity?

[peak ether]

alternatively if you want more offense Cracked Sash or an Anshin can be slotted in

[peak ether]

Torgue is max health

[rough galleon]

icic

[peak ether]

And yeah Pangolin is capacity

When you're starting as Brick Die Hard is your number 1 priority

Going the other 2 trees first is asking for pain

even if going melee

[rough galleon]

so FFYL is king...interesting

[peak ether]

actually melee w/ a middle tree spec might be your best option for a while in early game

[rough galleon]

or is it just all the things leading to it?

[peak ether]

FFYL is a risk/reward not smth you avoid entirely

sometimes it's faster and smarter to take the L and go for a second wind instead of avoiding the down

[rough galleon]

fair enough

[peak ether]

Always remember you only die if you run out of time or don't have a kill

other than that FFYLs are both fine and to be expected and utilized to the fullest

[quiet python]

From what you said, I made a massive mistake then?

[peak ether]

For now yeah

RN melee doesn't need skills to be good

[quiet python]

You obviously know more than me but this has been working quite well 😭 ive died maybe 2 times besides that I can just walk upto any boss and beat the shit out of it and deal corrosive dmg and generate more health than im losing

[peak ether]

Later on you should take them

[quiet python]

Im at earls place storywise right now

[peak ether]

Bl1 is just an easy game so you don't need to super worry about the best skill progression

I'm just stating what is the best options

[quiet python]

Yeah it feels way easier compared to the others but uh, Is there a reason to use bricks right click? It just seems like a waste

[peak ether]

nope

[quiet python]

By the time you throw one right hook you can do like 5 jabs

[peak ether]

^

I rarely use it

[rough galleon]

would be nice if it had at least a knockback of sorts

at least some ultility

[peak ether]

that would make it worse

[quiet python]

Okay so, ill whip up a skill tree real quick on that one website and would you let me know if its good or not? Please and thank you?

[quiet python]

Yeah no maybe a stagger or stun

Knocking them back hurts you more because it wastes the limited time you have

[rough galleon]

100% Daze

[tawdry shell]

it’d be funny if it was a charge punch

[quiet python]

If you go beserk and dont kill everyone in a pile of enemies youre more than likely fucked

[rough galleon]

Rocket Punch

[tawdry shell]

yknow the charger in left for dead? just make it do that

[peak ether]

why would you wanna launch an enemy out of your range

[tawdry shell]

something something loader

[quiet python]

It actually works like a chargepunch, if you use it like a second before you reach the enemy you kill them(usually)

[rough galleon]

to use Sting like a Bee more :V

[quiet python]

Its only good for one taps, other than that if its a high hp enemy theres 0 point of using your right hook

[peak ether]

I dislike SLaB and as such never spec it

[tawdry shell]

launch enemy into air
get back up to them with sting like a bee
launch again
infinite flight

[rough galleon]

its juggling time

[peak ether]

DMC combo the enemy

[rough galleon]

yall are playing Borderlands, Brick is playing Smash Bros

[quiet python]

I know im supposed to finish out perks before moving on to others but im not sure what to do

[tawdry shell]

https://tenor.com/view/beat-em-up-castle-crashers-xbla-juggle-juggling-gif-14512547872374679669

brick if he was good

[rough galleon]

frfr

[copper wasp]

Isn't that just Krieg

[quiet python]

Bricks good but not for the reasons gearbox wanted him to be

[peak ether]

that's actually really good

[tawdry shell]

i meant the juggling part lol

[rough galleon]

Krieg cant juggle 😦

[quiet python]

huh really? i thought it was a complete mistake 😭

[peak ether]

there isn't anything I'd change

[quiet python]

i will take that as a compliment

Brick is much more than I thought he'd be

[peak ether]

Unbreakable gets canceled if you enter berserk

[tawdry shell]

he’s the most complex character by far

[quiet python]

Very uh, versatile, besides his blaster tree thats kinda shit honestly

Im not a fan of his blaster tree b/c of the lack of explosive weapons

[tawdry shell]

no blaster is good

[quiet python]

Rocket launchers barely do aoe damage

[rough galleon]

Blaster goes hard

[tawdry shell]

majority of elemental guns can come in explosive element lol

[quiet python]

Maybe for bosses but for swarms beserk is better

[peak ether]

Blaster is busted as shit

[tawdry shell]

it’s not exclusive to launchers

[rough galleon]

Ive learnt that recently 🙂

[quiet python]

Wait whaaaaaat

Wait like- Elemental guns as a WHOLE or just the explosive weapons

[tawdry shell]

elemental guns as a whole

[peak ether]

Brick hits some of the highest dps peaks because of blaster

[tawdry shell]

you can get a maliwan smg that’s explosive

or an atlas AR that’s explosive (ogre for example)

[quiet python]

I really dont use elemental guns for the most part 😭

I see why people like mordecai because snipers have saved my ass alot

[wheat harbor]

master blaster or blast master?

[tawdry shell]

i’d argue people use him for pistols more then snipers tbh

[peak ether]

Blast Master COM w/ 61% explosive dmg and Revenge boost

[peak ether]

yes

[wheat harbor]

quality bl1 naming schemes

[peak ether]

in a game where shit like the Ogre exists

[quiet python]

so is brick split into like 2 or 3 builds? blaster beserk glass cannon but the beserk regen keeps you alive?

[tawdry shell]

blast blaster when

[wheat harbor]

(pistol spec is SOOOO much better)

[tawdry shell]

fo eel

[quiet python]

I pop beserk a ton just for the regen, but now I have an hp shield too so

[wheat harbor]

if only gunslinger boosted hair trigger

[peak ether]

There's more than that

my prefered setup is Melee + Explosive

[quiet python]

Well- So far I like being able to just play pacman with bandits and one shot mostly everyone and tank it all til beserk runs out and I scurry away and snipe

[tawdry shell]

unofficial patch changes that i think

it’s SO nice

[peak ether]

goes fucking hard and is what I used to solo the Underdome 20 rounders

[quiet python]

Is moxxis underdome really that bad? Like should I skip it since I already know who moxxi is?

[tawdry shell]

2 free skill points in total tho

[quiet python]

Yeah but I saw some dude who was like lvl 60 and a guy who was lvl 19 or something running it and it still took them 3+ hours

[rough galleon]

its very time consuming

but the skill points can make a difference

[peak ether]

start fights in berserk and when your wears off you just mag dump a guy w/ an Ogre and boom berserk is off cooldown in seconds

[peak ether]

I find it fun

[tawdry shell]

it kinda depends on if you like wave based survival really

every game come 2010’s had that type of mode, big trend at the time i think

cod zombies, horde in gears, firefight in halo, etc

so borderlands went along with it lol

[wheat harbor]

i just find it a bit repetitive

[peak ether]

https://www.lootlemon.com/class/brick#_5505035_5005550_5055505

[tawdry shell]

i enjoy it depending on the game

[wheat harbor]

i also prefer more linear stuff

i dont really enjoy being stuck in one area running back and fourth

[peak ether]

My main Brick spec @quiet python

[tawdry shell]

cod zombies is timeless for me, gears horde mode is fun cause how horrifying the locusts can be

underdome never got that kick for me though

[wheat harbor]

takedowns and peak are just a lot more enjoyable for me because its a whole linear map thingy

[tawdry shell]

understandable

[quiet python]

I doubt ill get to that high ass level before I move onto the next game haha, ill try and put together what my spec with brick would be endgame

[peak ether]

Getting max lvl in Bl1 is pretty quick

[tawdry shell]

probably the fastest xp grind in the series no?

[peak ether]

you can get from lvl50 > 69 in an afternoon farming guardians

[quiet python]

https://www.lootlemon.com/class/brick#_5505055_5055550_5550003

[peak ether]

by a landslide

[quiet python]

Eh? I dunno

Shield perks on brick are pretty, I mean I wouldnt say useless but I would definitely say theyre better allocated elsewhere

[peak ether]

Liquidate > Short Fuse

[tawdry shell]

@peak ether rate the build 🙏

https://www.lootlemon.com/class/brick#_0050500_0000000_0000000

[peak ether]

They're good but melee prefers health stacking

[quiet python]

Does the explosive damage thing count on artifacts I think theyre called for your main ability? Like corrosive, electric, incendiary on your punches

If so ill send myself down that path right immediately after I get my couple of other perks finished

[peak ether]

the dmg buffs yeah

[quiet python]

Thats uh, good to know

I use corrosive right now but I think shock or explosive is better(for the ability)

[peak ether]

fyi when the game says explosive dmg it's referring to the explosive element specifically

[tawdry shell]

shock is funny cause visual pollution

[quiet python]

I thought it was for all elements?

[peak ether]

w/ your current state corrosive and fire are better

[peak ether]

it's not

[quiet python]

Ill reset skill points after I kill Krom

I gurantee I can kill him with my skilltree rn with one beserk

If not im a dumbass for eternity but Brick does some crazy damage for not needing to be a very high level

[rough galleon]

I think BL3 might have faster leveling from the Scraptraps?

tho not sure

[peak ether]

explosive artifact is only worth if you have a Blast Master and are buffing explosive dmg a lot

[peak ether]

no Bl1 is still faster

[peak ether]

on the other 3 VHs it might as well not be there

[quiet python]

Blast master?

[rough galleon]

whats the bl1 leveling method?

[peak ether]

ppl always say Lilith is op because of her dps but it's actually pretty low

[peak ether]

Explosive class mod

[quiet python]

Pfft nerd

[peak ether]

while Brick's gets pretty high w/ only a small amount of effort

[peak ether]

pretty much one of Brick's strongest

[quiet python]

So should I gather more elemental weapons then?

Ive been going for raw damage so far, like ive got an 800dmg rocket launcher and a 560 one with a 4x fire chance

[peak ether]

The Brick coms you wanna keep eyes for are Blast Master, Warmonger, and Berserker

[peak ether]

Explosive specifically but the others for coverage are fine

[peak ether]

there's more to a gun than dmg

[quiet python]

I really dont get many explosive weapons, I mean ive got this one but

[quiet python]

Yeah I figured that out on snipers, I chose a worse sniper by about 80dmg because it had 9 points better of accuracy, so what else should I look for in it then?

[peak ether]

just good parts in general I guess

after I learned the parts system I just started using that to gauge my good finds

[quiet python]

I mean i could play the cheap route and go back to the claptrap dlc and cycle the giftshop guns

Or just keep looking for regular guns

[peak ether]

it takes a few playthroughs to figure what you're looking for on a gun

also doesn't hurt to look up a parts guide

or at least try because Bl1 part resources are actually pretty hard to find

[quiet python]

so is this alright to go with for now?

Or should I put some points in blaster, or just put my points after the fact in blaster

[peak ether]

Here's a gun focused Brick in case you wanna see how differently it's specced btw https://www.lootlemon.com/class/brick#_5005000_5505555_5555305

[quiet python]

Is bash not a good perk?

[peak ether]

if you're going melee you spec Blaster last

[peak ether]

it is

I just didn't choose it for this spec

[quiet python]

oh okay, gotcha

[peak ether]

Brick has so many good skills you need so you need to make active choices like this

[quiet python]

So the explosive perks wouldnt affect this? Or would they

[peak ether]

They would

launchers w/o an element accessory do explosive dmg

[quiet python]

These are getting specific BUT what if its a rocket shooting shotgun

[peak ether]

same thing

if it does yellow dmg numbers it gets explosive dmg buffs

[quiet python]

This is huge right?

[peak ether]

Brick also can make carnages halway decent weapons too

[quiet python]

Its 91x7 compared to my 97x12 but

[peak ether]

[quiet python]

Im not familiar with specific weapons and im fairly familiar with brands

[quiet python]

Ill that asssss a yeah?

[peak ether]

Welp the game is fucked

[quiet python]

What makes you say that 😭

[peak ether]

Hammer on Brick

it's op as shit

[quiet python]

Oh sweet then : D

Im getting some dingers in this place

Way better than last time

[peak ether]

Any explosive legendary is busted as fuck on him

[quiet python]

Jesus christ, I mean one round but like

[quiet python]

Level 28 for the win 🙏

[quiet python]

800x3 right next to it

[peak ether]

Not a helix :(

[quiet python]

This is a beautiful run

[quiet python]

Helixes aaaaare bad?

Or did I just summon one right as you said that

[peak ether]

Helixs are the best launchers

[quiet python]

this is a really wacky looking gun

[peak ether]

better than most of the legendaries actually

[quiet python]

looks like a fucked up spinal coord mixed with a treebranch

[quiet python]

ah okay so i just summoned one, sweet

[quiet python]

are eridians any different than regular guns? oh i see the infinite ammo on it i think

okay dude if i was on borderlands 3 this wouldve taken 2 hours

im sorry for the picture spam but im astonished, i would never get this loot as a level 28 anywhere else

[peak ether]

Only one that competes is the Nidhogg but those are rare as fuck

[peak ether]

enhanced edition buffed the shit out of the gift shop

one reason I dislike it

[peak ether]

also correction 5 minutes

[quiet python]

Yeah this shits slappin extra hard 💀 When I completed this DLC 6 levels ago these were all blues and maybe a purple

[peak ether]

Bl3 leg drops rates are not ok

[quiet python]

I played borderlands 3 off launch and it was taking awhile

I dunno how it is now

I remember mozes iron bear sucked ass and the bloodletter build was the way to go

[peak ether]

You usually get your first leg at like lvl 5

[quiet python]

I remember the lydias and uh thats about it

Lydias and bloodletters, outside of that i cant remember shit for legendaries

[peak ether]

without farming

Still prefer it over the snooze fest that is Bl2 world drop rates

[quiet python]

is this a better loadout? I can swap the shotty for the uh, one that shoots rockets if need be

[peak ether]

But yeah Brick's holy trinity of legendaries are the Hammer, Ogre, and Cobra

[quiet python]

The eridian sniper shoots orbs?? Wtf??

[peak ether]

The Hammer blows carnages out of the water

[quiet python]

I swear i was not getting this 6 levels ago dude 😭

[peak ether]

I wouldn't use a Jakobs sniper on Brick tho

unless it's a Skullmasher

[quiet python]

Do brands make a difference?

[peak ether]

yes

[quiet python]

Whats up with Jakobs?

I cant remember the gimmicks to all the gun companies

[peak ether]

High dmg shit fire rate

[quiet python]

Hyperion had good sights if i remember, torgue was always explosive because of that one pre sequel quest

Maliwan was always elemental, jakobs was what you said then

[peak ether]

never elemental

[quiet python]

Im not familiar with atlas or dahl but dahl's usually have a fat magazine

[peak ether]

Torgue is high dmg and fire rate but reduced accuracy in 1

[quiet python]

Oh okay

[peak ether]

Dahl is low recoil

SnS are the large mag manu

[quiet python]

Which is bad on brick why? I dont mean that in an asshole-y way i mean that in a i have no idea about the somewhat extensive parts of the borderlands series way

[peak ether]

low fire rate mainly

Jakobs is like B tier on my tier list

[quiet python]

I feel like an idiot, but uh, why is low fire rate bad on brick 😭 is it because his kit doesnt revolve around an ability that lets you shoot guns?

[peak ether]

agressive playstyle

[quiet python]

Ah okay, I really dont like smgs on him, I dunno if thats just me or if they arent really used on him

[peak ether]

I don't either

I mainly use shotguns and semi auto snipers on him

A strong explosive Wrath or a Cobra are pretty good on him

also just Hammer

[quiet python]

Well ive got these 2 and the eridian one to pick from now

I might just keep the first one because of the shock damage but shock damage is never really useful to me

[peak ether]

bottom one

Gambles are shit

[quiet python]

88 accuracy, yeah thats a yikes

[peak ether]

Gamble is low accuracy title on snipers

[quiet python]

Are there any eridians to look out for? The sniper I got is pretty cool but the damage is slightly lower compared to the other one

Fire rate isnt a huge thing for me I mean as long as its above like 1.3 so the bottom ones cutting it ill use it

[peak ether]

eridians are niche in general and need to roll mag 6 to even be usable

[quiet python]

Mag 6 as in like a trait for having a 6 capacity magazine?

[peak ether]

the main 2 good ones are the Lightning and Thunderstorm

[peak ether]

Mag 6 is the part name

[quiet python]

It shoots like straight butter

[peak ether]

fastest recharge mag which is why it's essential

if you don't have it the gun will feel awful to use

[quiet python]

When you say part, you mean like the extra effect right?

[peak ether]

thankfully you have it

[peak ether]

the purple crystal on the gun

[quiet python]

ohhhhh, so the literal PART

[peak ether]

every gun in Bl is made of randomly rolled parts and those determine the stats

[quiet python]

They used that as a advertisement thing when they were trying to pick up sales right? Like the one million different guns thing?

[peak ether]

the easiest way to check what mag you have on an eridian is to look at the last 3 digits in the binary in the gun's name

Mag 6 is 110

[tawdry shell]

they did yeah, there’s a ton of part combos but you kinda end up getting a feel for what each type of gun is like by the end of your run for the most part

[quiet python]

oh hey, i do have that😭 i got very lucky with these pulls didnt I?

[peak ether]

not really

[quiet python]

Yeah I get that, does it differ per game?

[quiet python]

oh, well i could never imagine pulling this shit anywhere else so 😭

[tawdry shell]

i mean there’s more parts in the later games i think, but what i said still kinda applies

[peak ether]

loot quality is determined by the loot source's awesome lvl and the enhanced edition gift shop's is somewhere in the 200s

[tawdry shell]

example, you could get 2 pistols that are technically different but the only real difference is an element and sight or something

[quiet python]

yeah seeing as i just pulled these 2 in 2 crates is pretty crazy

ill keep the eridian and probably scrap my anaconda when i get to lvl 31 for that equalizer

[peak ether]

certain parts are rated as higher or lower value and as such a high al source is likely to give you higher value parts

[quiet python]

so this one isnt a mag 6?

[peak ether]

yup

[quiet python]

148x8 doesnt seem legal wtf is the gimmick here

these things cannot be real for level 28 bro 😭

[tawdry shell]

thunder storm is really good

[quiet python]

its a 3 shot and it acts kinda like a shotgun?

[tawdry shell]

it’s basically just a shotgun with stupidly strong shock damage

[peak ether]

in this a game a legendary is just a normal gun that spawned w/ a legendary part (ex. The Hammer is a leg Vladof shotgun that rolled the Hammer legendary accessory)

[quiet python]

this games lit once you get half decent guns

[tawdry shell]

despite being gimmicky i really enjoy the eridian weapons in 1, i could see what they were going for

[quiet python]

the prices are going stupid too dawg thats like a quarter of my ingame bank account 💀

[peak ether]

because of this sometimes certain legendaries are downgrades from purples

[quiet python]

thats not even worth it tf 80 accuracy with a 4.2 fire rate and an 18 mag

[tawdry shell]

guns can sell for the money cap

[peak ether]

Thumpers are shit

[tawdry shell]

also the money cap isn’t actually the cap btw

99999 or whatever it is is just visual, it keeps going

[peak ether]

never use them

[quiet python]

yeah i remember that from when i duped money on xbox for bl3 😭

[tawdry shell]

god i remember vault hunter challenges made thumpers like actually good

im gonna check the changelog hold on

[peak ether]

Like the Surkov because its legendary barrel is just overall worse than barrel 4 or 5

[quiet python]

well damn i kinda wanna use that thunder storm thing but ive got no room, should i just sell it or is there something to swap?

[peak ether]

swap out the Lightning for it

or the Anaconda

[wheat harbor]

im alwaays like
how do you make a thumper not shit
theyre just
anti smgs

[tawdry shell]

these are some of the smg changes, really fun mod

[peak ether]

tho it's role is being filled out fine by the Hammer

[wheat harbor]

even if the damage output is good it just feels weird

[quiet python]

what makes the hammer so good? its got good firerate and 2x explosive but i dont see anything else special

[peak ether]

Doesn't have the 40% ele dmg penalty

[quiet python]

i did infact just realize that

[peak ether]

normal ele accessories reduce a gun's base dmg by 40%

the Hammer and most legendary ele accessories don't

[quiet python]

the thunder storm isnt debuffed by it either no?

[wheat harbor]

20%

[peak ether]

it doesn't have an ele part

[wheat harbor]

ignore me

[quiet python]

Oh, I thought it did lightning damage

[wheat harbor]

mixed up your name with your message

[peak ether]

Wasn't that just the Plague

[peak ether]

it does

[wheat harbor]

no i was thinking you were saying what the bl2 element penalty is

[peak ether]

ah

[peak ether]

it's like launchers

does shock dmg despite not having an ele part

[quiet python]

what makes the hammer better than the thunder storm then 😭 apart from magazine size, accuracy and firerate

[peak ether]

thus doesn't have a dmg penalty

[peak ether]

everything

[quiet python]

uh

like what though, im sorry im asking so many questions but this has me genuinely invested
i never knew borderlands guns had such depth

[tawdry shell]

and this is just the first game in the series

wait till you see 3 lol

[peak ether]

Thunderstorm is best when you want a shotgun style weapon but don't want to eat into another ammo pool

[glass vessel]

New-U station
Skill points
Plot inconsistencies

[quiet python]

ive played 3 exstensively i was just like, 10 so i didnt really breathe it all in

[tawdry shell]

oh you a youngin

bl3 came out when i was like 14

not a huge difference but still lol

[tall surge]

youre the same age as me? damn i thought u were like 30

[tawdry shell]

funko thought i was super old as well for some reason

[quiet python]

yessir, my first game on the xbox 360 was when i was like 5 and it was bo2 and menendez and that burning guy in the 1st mission gave me extreme nightmares

[tall surge]

you just give off old vibes

[tawdry shell]

no im just gonna finally move out at the end of the month and im starting college

[peak ether]

but rn your main weapon is the Hammer so packing a Thunderstorm isn't 100% needed however you can use it as a "fuck you button" if you need an enemy dead right fucking now

[tawdry shell]

bl1 came out when i was 4? started playing when i was 6 cause my brother was playing it

[quiet python]

gotcha gotcha, i actually really like these weapons😂

the ideas are great and for 2009 they did a fantastic job

[tawdry shell]

maybe the profile setup? no one talks about castle crashers anymore for the most part

or like halo

[quiet python]

lego games and skylanders are top 10 in the 2010 video game genre discussions, i said what i said 🤷

[peak ether]

I'd genuinly give the Thunderstorm an A rating

[tall surge]

probably yeah

[tawdry shell]

idk about skylanders but the lego games are peak

i need to finish lego indiana jones

[quiet python]

It doesnt seem like a bad gun, the only thing i dont like is the 3 mag and the fact you dont really know the reload but the damage makes up for it

[glass vessel]

I played bl2 in college with a roommate a bit but I didn’t really get it but I remember enjoying it.

[peak ether]

you usually only need 2 actual bullet weapons so packing it as your 4th slot gun is a solid choice

[quiet python]

speaking of, bad channel for it i know but is bl3's story really THAT bad? i thought it was alright for the most part, i thought the whole stealing siren powers thing was some bullshit but outside of that i thought it was okay

[glass vessel]

I didn’t mind it

It did feel like more of flat line that TPS or bl2

Some of the humor is a bit boring but I enjoyed the story

[quiet python]

This lightning eridian sniper shoots like literal BUTTER

[glass vessel]

I jus think a lot of us were expecting the alien war already

[quiet python]

I thought the scooter sister thing was hilarious, and the thing about moxxie being their parents I think and her being really like 50-60

[glass vessel]

Deport eridian lore which we only got a taste of

[glass vessel]

Yeah I mean we know form bL1 that Moxxi is scooters mom, and that she’s there mother since bl2

[quiet python]

I havent completed bl1 one yet so uh Is that in the DLC or just in another voicelog?

[glass vessel]

Knoxx dlc

That’s where Moxxi first shows up

[peak ether]

I don't care about story in Bl because it was only good in Tps and said story hurt the gameplay a bit I feel

[quiet python]

I always thought TPS was overhated, its my favorite borderlands game( from what i can remember)

The end fight was a little forgetable but the villains and plot were really solid

[glass vessel]

TPS is my favorite as well

[peak ether]

it's my second fav

[quiet python]

The vault hunter selection to the map layout and side quests are all pretty good

[peak ether]

but I don't replay it often for various reasons

[tawdry shell]

it’d probably be my favorite if there was more to do :(

it’s such a fun game

[glass vessel]

I like the BL story and lore I just think it’s a goofy game some of of it you can’t take too seriously often I think people are disappointed with the story cause they take it too seriously or literal

[glass vessel]

Yeah sad they got shut down

[peak ether]

I don't hate it tho

[quiet python]

I do remember the conversation as nisha to brick when youre going to fight the bouncepad guy at the start where she mentions she uh, murdered his puppy, I cant remember if thats where its from but

[peak ether]

As for Bl2...

Let's just say I have opinions about Bl2 and leave it there

[quiet python]

Axton is just a clone of roland no?

Like power wise, turret and turret?

[peak ether]

that was in Bl2 not Tps

[glass vessel]

Kinda

They have different skill trees

[peak ether]

Roland is a support class Axton isn't

it's getting late for me so I'll go

[tawdry shell]

always made me bummed axton didn’t have any sort of support stuff tied to his turret

would’ve been cool with the longbow option

[tawdry shell]

i mean you can count the shield kinda but still

[quiet python]

I will say one thing, BL1 has a shit ton of side quests, like you will NOT get bored

[tawdry shell]

i think they just increase in the later games

me and my best friend did a coop roland run aiming to complete all missions back during the pandemic

took us a couple weeks

granted it was the pandemic so we had all the free time in the world

[quiet python]

better?

[glass vessel]

They do for sure

Bl1 is the shortest game

[quiet python]

i mean wow

[glass vessel]

I do them all in order as they come so it seems really fast, I pretty much clear each map as much as I can when I get to it and only come back off missions deem me to

[tawdry shell]

i’ve mapped out what side missions i do in both 1 and 2 at this point

i like hoarding them up and then turning in the missions all at once :3

[glass vessel]

Yeah I mean functionally there’s a better order to do them so you waste less time traveling around

LMFAOOOOO

[quiet python]

i usually check how far they are all from me then do them in that order

[glass vessel]

but yeah bL1 is fun but it’s a quick game. Even the DLCs are shorter. And then each game gets longer as they go on, with the expectation of TPS cause it only has one DLC

[quiet python]

Thats a new effect I havent seen 😭

[glass vessel]

Their heads will pop off funny

Bl1 is the bloodiest of all the games

[grizzled oracle]

Tough boss !

[tawdry shell]

[rough galleon]

says skill issue then abuses Salv exploits is kinda funny ngl

[grizzled oracle]

ikr imagine playing the game the way you want to

[tawdry shell]

was gonna ask what yall thought was better but it's definitely the +6 impact

since that actually has a passive for gun damage as well

i think the slight mag and fire rate loss is made up for the higher damage

W

[rough galleon]

Impact goes hard

[tawdry shell]

god this invader is fucking cracked

only fast firing sniper in this whole mod lol

[rough galleon]

rip, no Lyudia?

[tawdry shell]

lyuda is still here it's just not quick

not many fast options cause it's meant to be like bl1, and there's no custom weapons in this pack so the penetrator isn't here lol

ganted there's still some spammy snipers, but the invader has shown to be the best sniper overall tbh

i might be losing my mind

it's a bit of a stretch but

bunkers arena

sham:

you can see it right

maybe if the parts were different

im not crazy i swear

[quiet python]

yeah okay this is getting excessive

[real oracle]

no i thought you were way younger smh

[wheat harbor]

holy shit that com is cracked

[real oracle]

the one that did surprise is me is that zeta is like younger than my sister and barely older than me

[tawdry shell]

nuh uh

[real oracle]

i said that cuz you talked like a 16 year old and then i heard job

smh

[tawdry shell]

his coms are really fun in this mod

[tawdry shell]

fair enough

[real oracle]

but im only one year older so i win B)

[tawdry shell]

[tawdry shell]

i really wanna get his shock trooper com for +6 grenadier

and see how much i can do to pete spamming the electric chair

[wheat harbor]

im like 2 years older

you make it sound like a couple months

[sacred rose]

I successfully defeated the destroyer in bl1.

After I got disappointed after watching the movie.

[tawdry shell]

lucky find right before warrior

[snow lotus]

THX BUNKER

[grand terrace]

cringe.

Karl Marxx was alive in Borderlands?

[orchid berry]

listed in chronological order, rather than between all games. Don't see much point comparing vault hunters that arent playable together

[grand terrace]

Great gun ive been using it the whole time too lol

[glass vessel]

Its the Vladof company it symbol cause its represents the of the industrial worker and the peasant. The company is basically the “working class” weapon. Kinda like Jakobs

Although we don’t know a lot of Vladof lore

Borderlands is pretty aware of its self and the social imagery and terminology it uses, despite it being a goofy ass game

[orchid berry]

All three "is just ok" vault hunters for pre sequel might be better than I beleive, I admittedly havent played with every Wilhelm and Athena tree, and I play solo so Claptrap by default could never reach their full potential in my hands

[glass vessel]

I played claptrap solo to max lvl and really enjoyed it, he’s juts chaotic cause his action skill

Wilhelm kinda bored me, Aurelia can be a tank if you build her right

Most BL2 lovers tell me Axton is super strong but I’ve only played him to experience his skills not a full play rough build

[opal ingot]

wilhelm's goated

[glass vessel]

His melee is fun

I juts didn’t enjoyed him as much as the other VHs in TPS

[orchid berry]

Axton might be my favorite Vault hunter period, but you play anything long enough you see all their flaws so much clearer. Besides grit RNG and free slag everything he does others do much better

[grand terrace]

is this supposed to be hunter s thompson ?

[tawdry shell]

wow this definitely is a ranking

[glass vessel]

Maybe inspired by

[grand terrace]

idk why ppl say thers no differnce in the hd texture pack for b2 i can tell a big time differnce all the lines are sharper and darker everything is WAY more crisp now. maybe you can only see the difference when on a 1440/144hz+ monitor..🤷🏻‍♂️ but i can def tell.

[orchid berry]

I don't speedrun so smarter/better players than I can probably chime in better opinions, I would love to hear them. Thousands of hours still only mean so much if they were all spent casually soloing every game

[tawdry shell]

idk anything bout tps or 3 for the most part but the rankings for 1 and 2’a VH’s are really weird

[peak ether]

excuse me wtf

[tawdry shell]

brick is by far the strongest, lilith is second weakest, maya is also the weakest in 2

[peak ether]

why is Brick at the bottom

[grand terrace]

i just beat b2 after all thes eyears..i remember i bought b2 when it came out and i got to tiny tina and then someone stole the game from me and i never could finish it til now 😄

[orchid berry]

I would have put Maya way lower, but holy shit they juiced acid cloud way too high. Even raid bosses are easily dealt with if you have enough patience

[opal ingot]

there's a difference without having the uhd texture pack and with having it
you crash every 5 seconds with it

[tawdry shell]

fair enough i guess, it’s just every other bl2 VH out performs her for the most part

[grand terrace]

i hanvt crashed one time and ive been playing with it for 6 days now

[tawdry shell]

damn 6 of them?

[orchid berry]

and Brick, well Brick only works with rockets, which in my hands were always the hardest to kill Crawmerax with, they are fun though

[tawdry shell]

i only knew hammerlock

[grand terrace]

might need more VRAM i have 12GB

[tawdry shell]

that’s just not true

[peak ether]

that is factually wrong

[orchid berry]

How do kill crab with melee?

[tawdry shell]

you don’t do melee you go for an explosive build? wym

brick doesn’t only boost launchers and melee

[peak ether]

he only has 1 skill that only works w/ launchers

[tawdry shell]

lmao yea

[orchid berry]

Torgue shotguns with ogre then?

[grand terrace]

i found this rocket launcher in the chest right before i foght The Warrior something told me to check that chest and out pops this bad boy!

[peak ether]

Masher

[peak ether]

just use a Masher

[tawdry shell]

you could also just do that yea

[peak ether]

W/ either a Blast Master or Warmonger com

I'm so fucking annoyed of the "Brick is bad" talk because it's flat out wrong

[real oracle]

just looking at their kit, a single amara tree does everything maya does but better

[orchid berry]

worth mentioning "is kinda bad without a specific build" is me saying that they can be WAY better than "better than ok" just if doing anything other than their optimal (full explosive brick) (full anarchy gaige) I think they fall behind the ok crowd

[tawdry shell]

krieg should also be way higher up here

[real oracle]

gaige has shit design so i dont blame you

[tawdry shell]

you can do hybrid builds with brick

[peak ether]

no you don't need a specific build either

Brick has the most flexible skill trees in 1

[real oracle]

and tbh for the casual part i see a lot of people like amara. tho, zane is by far the most braindead 3 vh 💀

[orchid berry]

Bloodsplosion doesnt work on some raids, oneshots others, fire build is godlike immortal vs some enemies, weak vs others. I never felt Kreig consistently had an easy time doing anything, especially once OP levels kick in

[peak ether]

I've created multiple different skill specs for Brick and they all clear maps w/ little effort

[real oracle]

so about "fire build"

building around doing fire damage is your problem

[peak ether]

He also has the best com selection of the Bl1 VHs so you have options there as well

[real oracle]

you gotta remember it's about being on fire

not doing fire damage

since delusional damage exists

most of hellborn's power still comes from bloodlust

[opal ingot]

damaga

[real oracle]

you shut

[opal ingot]

nopers

[orchid berry]

to be more clear, I wasnt really comparing Amara vs Maya, I just have every vault hunter ordered 1-2-TPS-3, only comparing them between other vault hunters in their own game

[real oracle]

i would def swap moze and zane

[orchid berry]

to compare between all games, that would just say more about the games themselves than the skill trees, BL2 is way harder than TPS and no small part of that comes down to TPS characters being overloaded af by comparison

[real oracle]

cuz moze has a higher potential than...

anyone

combined

off a single skill

[opal ingot]

put everybody in s
and put maya in f
problem solved

[real oracle]

tho im prob massive skill issue but i struggle to clear gtd on my moze smh, clearly this is a valid point (it's not)

tho on my amaras it's 👍

[real oracle]

about that, maya kinda just

is worse axton 80% of the time

mainly cuz of how much her dps is locked behind being able to phaselock an enemy

[orchid berry]

hence why shes lower than him, Acid cloud tho really needs a nerf

[real oracle]

doesnt look lower to me unless you changed it in your head smh

[orchid berry]

shit thats precisely what I did, she should be under ok right now I moved axton up

[real oracle]

i honestly cannot see claptrap that low either but i expect you arent factoring in some

interactions, he has with splash on bullets

and how strong his chucks and action skills are

bro has approaching bl3 levels of action skill power

(not even close to it lmao but it's a start)

like nisha is braindead easy and was called the op when the game released

but these days?

claptrap

timothy's power comes from knowing how he works to make him extremely powerful but claptrap is just ooga booga torgue weapon

immediately outperform half the vh's

[opal ingot]

wilhelm still the goatedest

[leaden stag]

weakhelm

[real oracle]

my favorite is claptrap nova spam

esp with tediore

[opal ingot]

shoo

[real oracle]

and then gun wizard to instantly get your ammo back

[orchid berry]

We can go down all three trees in pre sequel, I often did unless it was Aurelia but would you say Blue Tree or Red Tree on claptrap ends up being more effective for a solo player?

[real oracle]

blue and green with some red investment

the most powerful jank claptrap has is OLT with torgue shotguns especially the flakker

cuz it applies twice

the splash in the second to last shot, and the impact on the last shot

coupled with torgue shotguns being like 3 shots