bl1-2-tps-media

[tiny thorn]

Melee Krieg

@crude plover
Shotgun Zer0 & Melee Zer0

[grave vigil]

I'd focus heavier on embrace the pain and elemental elation because both are very strong fire rate buffs that apply to axe chucks

[wheat harbor]

no
thats why he asked me

[tiny thorn]

I figured I'd just make up for this with BAR.

[grave vigil]

I hope your badass rank is not equivalent to 95% fire rate

[tiny thorn]

I mean, what could I drop to invest more in those?
I was thinking of running with a Grog for the +5 axes anyway..

Drop Release the Beast, Silence the Voices, Bloodsplosion & Boiling Blood?

[grave vigil]

???

just go 4 in numbed nerves and 1 in pain is power and you'll be able to grab elation, drop the points from flame flare and you can get embrace the pain

[tiny thorn]

I can probably drop Feed the Meat too

[grave vigil]

i mean you could but I don't think it's too advisable

[tiny thorn]

@grave vigil
Ok, this is what I have now.

@wind token
What do you think of this? ^

[wheat harbor]

btw taste of blood kinda makes numbed nerves useless

especially if you have more than 5 points in TOB

just look at how it scales on lootlemon

[tiny thorn]

So would you just put 5 in PiP?

And would you even grab Flame Flare or just throw that last point in Elemental Elation?

[grave vigil]

I'm so used to grabbing it, my fault

[wind token]

do those charts make more sense once you get used to it?

[wind token]

waittttttttt

thats interesting

[real oracle]

you get used to it

oh also what zeta said

i noticed that it uses the damage dealt to deal damage so

[wind token]

the thing is, you have so many points that i didnt realize

wait so ToB gives you 50% DR

and NN adds another 50% so i assume with the formula it's 75% DR?

[tiny thorn]

Would you even get the 1 in Flame Flare?

[glass vessel]

Is this a cat?

[real oracle]

taste of blood's dr shows the final subtracted damage, but internally it does funky math to find the amount of hyperbolic dr needed to give that. ie it shows 75% dr, so it gives you 300% dr to make you take 1/4 the damage

numbed nerves adds to this

[tiny thorn]

So ToB is all that's needed for a strong DR baseline?

[real oracle]

yes

[tiny thorn]

Do I need the 1 in Flame Flare??

[tight thunder]

This is my build i'm using rn on Terry. Spme perks like Claws are changed by UCP so I have them speced

They give swap speed per anarchy

[lofty flame]

Should be doing fine on terra, just make sure youre slagging and push through

[wheat harbor]

ToB is 100%

[wind token]

not without com

but right, then it's 1/1+0.5 i guess

[wheat harbor]

the listed value is a lie

check LL for the actual values

[wind token]

really

uhh thats

unfortunate

[wheat harbor]

which is
60%

[wheat harbor]

its effectively listing the “final reduction”

so 100% dr is 50% damage taken

[wind token]

so the value is correct

[wind token]

but just with the 1/1+x formula

[wheat harbor]

if its your only reduction

[wind token]

oh so these with 1/1+x

[wheat harbor]

no those are the actual values

the game displays 1-1/1+x

[wind token]

wait so which values does the game USE

no matter the formula

[wheat harbor]

these

theyre the real values

the skill card lies

[wind token]

okay and what is the formula for these values

1-(1/(1+x))?

[wheat harbor]

wdym?

[wind token]

how the DR gets calculated using those values

[wheat harbor]

its negative scale elemental damage modifiers

so
1/(1+value)

[wind token]

ah

well then 50% for 5/5

[wheat harbor]

yes

[wind token]

and how much with NN?

[wheat harbor]

numbed nerves lists the actual value

so its only 50%

1/2.5 = 0.4

50% more reduction resulting in just 10% less damage taken

[wind token]

HOLY SHIT

time to rework all my builds ...........

thanks zeta, thanks for nothing ............

gives me the power to get FF though

but NN is negative scale right?

[wheat harbor]

yeaahhh
ToB is dummy strong and it lying about the values is not helpful

[wheat harbor]

yea

[tall surge]

if you only play melee

[wheat harbor]

yeah

numbed nerves still very good for non melee

[wind token]

OH ITS BXR ONLY

now i deleted all my saved builds ....................

fuck you guys

i'm way too long out of bl2

[tall surge]

[peak ether]

you're recovering

[cunning sable]

Go play tps

[peak ether]

Go play any Bl game that isn't 2

[glass vessel]

[glass vessel]

[cunning sable]

Bl2 2

[peak ether]

Do not feed the Bl2 ppl

they will bite your hand off if you give them what they want

[south hamlet]

nah

we'll just turn into a 3d rotating polygon

[peak ether]

What?

[glass vessel]

So bl3?

[south hamlet]

nah

horizontally spinning rat

https://tenor.com/view/rat-spin-gif-10300642414513246571

[glass vessel]

Yes a hairy mini skag

[south hamlet]

i mean kinda

skags are like ratdogs

[glass vessel]

I guess a rat in Bl is a Ratch

skag is a dog

And cats are juts cats

And then 2 actually dogs exist. Bricks dead dog and then there’s a picture of a dog in TPS

[south hamlet]

maybe he got it from earth? idk

[glass vessel]

Earth is not confirmed in Bl, but the France is LOL

[south hamlet]

bruh

[glass vessel]

LOL

ember is French and she makes you get her items that have French on them and the French flag

Elpis is Australia though so maybe France is juts a whole planet

🤣🤣🤣

[south hamlet]

wait

[rough galleon]

pourquoi.

[south hamlet]

so there are technically rats on bl2

wait

[glass vessel]

There are? Where?

Wait the humanoid ones?

[south hamlet]

does that mean we get baguette melee on bl4?

[south hamlet]

no like

actual mice

[glass vessel]

Where?

bL animal lore got me like….

[south hamlet]

elpis and france are technically 2 countries from earth

at least were

so we maybe have rats canonically in the bl universe

that would have been fire

[glass vessel]

Lmfaooooo I’m so lost.

Elpis is the moon, but since Australia 2k made the game all the npcs have Australian accents

[south hamlet]

so we have 2 alternatives

either everyone from australia suddenly migrated to elpis

or elpis is somehow australia

[glass vessel]

Orrrr

It’s a joke I make cause they sound austrailina cause the game was made there

The France thins is weirder cause like again objects in game have French on them

[south hamlet]

nah that wouldn't be fun

[glass vessel]

[south hamlet]

elpis is australia

from now on

[glass vessel]

FOR NOW

which also means

Lilith deported Australia

[south hamlet]

wait

what if france also turned into a moon?

[glass vessel]

😂😂😂😂😂

Now you cooking

[south hamlet]

wait actually

what if every country somehow got separated from the earth and they are all mini planets now

what if we have a "earth system" somewhere that all the countries are now

[glass vessel]

I’ll give you 4 countries

That it

No more no less and no America

[glass vessel]

You high af RN

[south hamlet]

i can't even use these

[glass vessel]

Huh?

[south hamlet]

i just want rats to be canon on bl

[glass vessel]

Tunnel rats are

[south hamlet]

mice

[glass vessel]

Okay well they aren’t

[south hamlet]

what if they are

[glass vessel]

Only earth animals confirmed are cat, dog, fish

[south hamlet]

confirmed

[south hamlet]

wait now that i think abt it

if fl4k had a pet mouse, what would their skill be?

[vast bough]

screaming

[glass vessel]

Dieing

[south hamlet]

what if it was like dark souls rats

giant

[glass vessel]

[south hamlet]

wait a sec

vladof is russian right?

or soviet whatever

does that mean Putin at some moment existed on the bl universe?

or even Stalin?

[glass vessel]

Not really confirmed, and if we took this logic we could use accents to be like “Britain is real too”

[past arch]

What guns do y'all think got buffs in Pre-Sequel from BL2?

[peak ether]

chokes and coughs "French"

[glass vessel]

😅

[glass vessel]

@wheat harbor drop knowledge

[peak ether]

Flakker might've but I'm not sure

[past arch]

Gub (which became the Zim) for sure, Cryo was busted in Pre-Sequel

[south hamlet]

does the cryophobia count?

bc there was a pyrophobia in bl2

[wheat harbor]

i dont know if any really got buffed

gub and zim have the same stats

[peak ether]

Cry of Fear reference https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAfrXNSyirE

[wheat harbor]

bl2 parts only lists 1 flakker so it must be the same

[past arch]

Yes but they made it cryo instead of corrosive, so now its not a lesser hornet

[wheat harbor]

yeah

cryo itself is just kinda
op

less so as a main gun element tho

more as utility

[past arch]

Excalibastard would like a word

[wheat harbor]

the gun you dont use for its damage

[past arch]

Why wouldnt I use it for damage? It has high crit damage, high freeze chance and its even got a blade for stabbing after freezing

[wheat harbor]

its damage blows chunks

[peak ether]

I mean it still works as one

[wheat harbor]

its just good at freezing

[past arch]

Nisha and Wilhelm make that gun absolutely ridiculous

[wheat harbor]

oh ofc
youll just generally get more out of the main 3

[past arch]

Its already strong but thats even bette

[peak ether]

which is fine

[past arch]

The Fatalie (the Bitch in BL2) also just got way better because of having cryo

[wheat harbor]

just
the best use for cryo is freezing a crowd

[wheat harbor]

not really

way worse for athena

[peak ether]

It would've been better non ele locked

[wheat harbor]

yea

[past arch]

How is freezing your enemy in place so you can vomit crits on them not an improvement over it having nothing?

[wheat harbor]

uh
just hit crits?

you can freeze with other things too

[past arch]

Yeah but now its easier and you dont have to switch guns or throw a nade

[wheat harbor]

and being shock or fire synergizes with athena WAY better

[past arch]

Hell you dont even need to buttslam

[peak ether]

it still could roll cryo you just have more options

[wheat harbor]

yeah

[past arch]

Did anyone use Elemental Athena? I always went with her melee set

[wheat harbor]

being cryo locked kinda sucks

[wheat harbor]

probably most athena players lol

[past arch]

wait really?

[wheat harbor]

its really interesting and fun

is a VERY high octane setup compared to some of the others

[past arch]

Elemental sets are hit or miss for me in early game because you cant get the legendaries you want at the levels you like

Like I wanna try Hellborn Krieg but the Hellfire gets outclassed so quickly

[wheat harbor]

then dont use a hellfire?

theres plenty of non uniques that work

[past arch]

I mean sure

[wheat harbor]

hellfire is kinda ass anyway

[peak ether]

Having an ele lock is always worse than not having one because it means it's only useful in specific areas

[past arch]

but it super sucks that the firehawk shield is locked

[wheat harbor]

yeh

[past arch]

You get ONE of them per playthrough and thats it

[rough galleon]

wasnt there a laser that was both shock and fire?
Thunderfire or something?

[peak ether]

ye

[vast bough]

They're basically based on Kalashnikov Concern

[past arch]

Yeah theyre the soviets basically

[south hamlet]

so is Stalin canon? lol

[wheat harbor]

wtf
sledges shotty is just
massively worse than sledges shotgun

its way slower and has 1 less projectile

[past arch]

It is and its REALLY unfortunate cause that was one of my favorite guns

[peak ether]

I rarely use legendary guns on Athena outside the Thunderfire actually

[past arch]

Remember when the Shooting Star shield wasn't nerfed and Melee Athena just went to down?

[wheat harbor]

interestingly jakobs pistols got a buff in tps
no longer having +2 max accuracy

[past arch]

lmao

[wheat harbor]

nice to be able to spam and the accuracy not go to shit

but thats just like 12 instead of 14

[peak ether]

Meanwhile Bl1 where I pay more attention to purples than legs

[past arch]

Honestly the only legendary I ever cared about in BL1 was the hellfire

[peak ether]

zzzz

[past arch]

Its an amazing gun bro

The Draco was also pretty dope...assuming you knew you had one back then lol

[wheat harbor]

interesting that ars lost the max accuracy reduction on zoom
not like it really did anything
and jakobs gets a bit less max accuracy

considering accuracy only effects sway
and you dont sway while shooting

[tawdry shell]

there's a lot of really good guns in bl1 is the thing

[wheat harbor]

so its only really min accuracy that does anything on ads

[peak ether]

It's just boring

[past arch]

I mean there are, but still

[wheat harbor]

REAL

its so fucking boring

[tawdry shell]

so only focusing on the hellfire for legendary stuff is- yeah that

[wheat harbor]

its just
purple maliwan smg cranked out

and smgs arent that interesting as a weapon type

[tawdry shell]

i still enjoy it don't get me wrong

[past arch]

It gets the job done

Its SO helpful for Jakob's Cove

[tawdry shell]

it's not as exiting to get as it used to be for me really

[peak ether]

that wasn't the argument

[past arch]

Define 'boring'

[tawdry shell]

it doesn't do anything cool?

[wheat harbor]

yea

[past arch]

Like whats a legendary in BL1 that's not boring and is amazing?

[wheat harbor]

orion

[past arch]

Legitimately asking

[wheat harbor]

skullmasher

[peak ether]

It's just a strong SMG

[wheat harbor]

penetrator

[tawdry shell]

god i love the orion

[past arch]

Those are all sniper rifles lmao

[wheat harbor]

the guns that are actually different to the purples

[peak ether]

that's it

[past arch]

The Remaster Legendary guns that Gearbox gave out were pretty awesome though

[wheat harbor]

chimera

no theyre the definition of boring

[peak ether]

Nidhogg

[wheat harbor]

literally stat cranked guns

[past arch]

Id need to see a list hold on

[wheat harbor]

mongol too

even if mongol is
eh
its still cool

[tawdry shell]

invader and executioner can be fun

[wheat harbor]

anaconda honestly takes the cake for me as
shit bl1 legendaries

[past arch]

You kno what, I loved the Crux

[grave vigil]

crit merging with that goofy ass gearbox sniper

[past arch]

Such a helpful gun for the claptrap DLC and the shit with the lance

[peak ether]

Too ammo inefficient for long term use I feel otherwise yeah

[tawdry shell]

the actual crux or the plauge?

[wheat harbor]

oh yeah
its cool, not good

[past arch]

The crux shotgun

[wheat harbor]

theres 2

[past arch]

There is??

[tawdry shell]

yeah the corrosive one is bugged

[peak ether]

Plague I'm guessing

[wheat harbor]

the sns explosive crux or maliwan corrosive crux

[tawdry shell]

it's supposed to be called the plauge

[past arch]

Maliwan Corrosive

[wheat harbor]

oh

[peak ether]

called it

[wheat harbor]

the uh
hellfire of shotguns

[past arch]

oh come the fuck on

[tawdry shell]

i wish bl1 butcher was good

[peak ether]

that's the Plague

[wheat harbor]

i like the actual crux
fun to use the bullet pattern for more reliable crits

[wheat harbor]

i always chuckle that the bl2 version is literally just the original intended effect

[tawdry shell]

not a legendary but i've always really liked krom's sidearm

i use it for a few levels whenever i get it

[past arch]

I liked the Defiler

[tawdry shell]

it's just nice

[past arch]

I kinda wish hand cannons would come back as a seperate archetype of gun

[wheat harbor]

same

being tied to pistols hurts em imo

[peak ether]

a lot of Bl1 legs are just stats and purples can outclass quite a few of them

[tawdry shell]

yuh

[wheat harbor]

because theyre not balanced around a massive ammo pool

[past arch]

The Anarchy is a favorite of mine, it's so disgusting lmao

Its not a legendary, but still

[peak ether]

Anarchy is mid

[past arch]

Isnt it like THE Craw weapon of choice?

[tawdry shell]

no

[wheat harbor]

no?

[peak ether]

no

[wheat harbor]

its a terrible craw weapon

[past arch]

I usually saw Lilith's using it tho

[peak ether]

^

[tawdry shell]

penetrators or a masher revolver is most common iirc

[peak ether]

Mashers are the go to Craw weapons

[wheat harbor]

lilith players kinda uh
suck

[peak ether]

^

[tawdry shell]

most bl players only stick to the meta

[past arch]

Full disclosure: Ive never beaten Crawmerax solo. The ledge trick doesnt seem to work anymore (I even looked up the modern variant that supposedly still works in the remaster) and no way can I fight him legit lmao

Your HP is just way too low

[wheat harbor]

ledge sucks

its so lame that people resort to it instead of learning craw

[tawdry shell]

the anarchy isn't necessarily a bad gun by any means, it still works well, just other smgs work better

[tawdry shell]

the ledge was never patched

[past arch]

Theres not even anything to do after you kill Craw anyway, except I guess go through the Moxxi slaughters, but those are infuriating

[peak ether]

except Anarchy isn't meta

[peak ether]

ledge is also slow and inefficient

[past arch]

Still laughing my ass off that its canon in the BLuniverse

[peak ether]

actually fighting him legit is faster

[tawdry shell]

you could farm for more rare-ish items

[peak ether]

and for me also easier

[tawdry shell]

either a cool hybrid or maybe like a gearbox gun from CoD

i like the skins on those

[past arch]

But like, there's nothing to fight anymore. Whats the point of a gun you have no targets for?

[tawdry shell]

not like the enemies are gone

[peak ether]

just killing Craw for fun

[past arch]

Yeah but theres nothing of note to go up against except farming Craw which gets boring fast imho

I havent killed him but im very familiar with farming bosses and raid bosses in other games and it gets stale fast

[peak ether]

and I just like seeing what cool shit I can find

[past arch]

I dont think ive ever collected a single Pearl tbh LOL. Ive always wanted a Mega Cannon, speaking of BL1 legendaries

[wind token]

is bl4 confirmed?

[shut lotus]

I don’t mean to interrupt anything but I’m in need of some better loot for my flak cause my brother got on the game and sold all my stuff and proceeded to turn it off so I can’t buy any of it back

[tawdry shell]

it's funny the map im using to fight craw seemed to actually make the ledge an even worse spot to use lol

[past arch]

I kinda miss Eridian weapons tbh. E-Tech was..........E-tech but I wish Eridian guns would come back. Loved their designs

[tall surge]

Id be surprised if gbx just stopped developing a franchise that gives so much money

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[peak ether]

me but w/ Bl2 because 90% of drop sources have zero interesting mechanics or challenge

[wind token]

also, fuck your brother

[tawdry shell]

it's supposed to be a 1:1 version of the map, just with snow and some fancier scenery, but the ledge seems to obscure way more of your vision

[past arch]

Bro if I have to farm King Mong for the Kaboomer Launcher or whatever its called one more fucking time im gonna drown

[glass vessel]

Not officially

[south hamlet]

https://discord.com/channels/132671445376565248/857665246847827978

[shut lotus]

Thanks

[wind token]

it's awful yeah

especially on krieg where you can be unlucky and get elemental

[tawdry shell]

[past arch]

Whoever decided "Hey lets have these bosses rarely appear and then have the gun they drop be a ohhhhh 5% chance"

Thanks Randy

[wind token]

yeah fuck randy

[grave vigil]

apparently people just farm haderax for badabooms which is funny as fuck

[south hamlet]

play bl3 imo

[peak ether]

and when I complained about it in someone's stream chat their response was "don't farm them then"

[past arch]

Haderax is even worse holy fuck. At least King is beatable.

[grave vigil]

Haderax is easy as balls

[south hamlet]

or use bl2fix or somethin

[past arch]

I do, honestly I love BL3, I dont understand the hate for it in its entirety

[past arch]

I play on console sooooo womp womp me

[south hamlet]

it's just the story and loot pools

[past arch]

I thought the story was alright. It had some badass moments, to be fair

[tawdry shell]

bl fans are very similar to halo fans, Bl2 to bl fans is like Halo 3 to halo fans, if every game isn't an exact copy of it it's bad

[past arch]

The DLC is where Bl3 really shines tho

[wind token]

did anyone talk about haderax? i thought they meant the chest

[past arch]

BL2 is the Smash Bros Melee of the franchise and honestly, while I do love the game, I think its unfair to say its the best in the series just because it has the most things

[grave vigil]

darksmoke actively farmed Haderax himself for badabooms on his 1life Krieg

[past arch]

Best villain? Absolutely.

[wind token]

[peak ether]

Like wtf I want to use legendaries in these games but when they're locked behind a boring no skill activity I'm sorry I don't wanna play your game

[tawdry shell]

not the best comparison considering melee doesn't have the most features? that's ultimate lol

[tall surge]

Kek thats the first time i see that comparison

[tawdry shell]

i get what your saying kinda

[tall surge]

I can see it

[tawdry shell]

smash bros brawl >

[past arch]

But not an inaccruate one tho

[tawdry shell]

tabuu my beloved 🙏

[tall surge]

Ohhhh u love tripping u love falling down stairs

[past arch]

Brawl had a damn fun story mode and they fumbled so fucking hard with Ultimate's 'story mode' but thats a different topic

[south hamlet]

i really like every other aspect of it

[past arch]

Ok, real talk

Ava is NOT that bad. She's legit one of my favorite characters. Fight me.

[south hamlet]

exept some tiny annoying things

[tawdry shell]

brawl actually has some really interesting tech

hold on check media in a sec

[south hamlet]

but really bl2 also had them

[past arch]

Tina. LOL jk I love Tina. I loved her even when I first played the game before she had her DLC

[tall surge]

Ive been watching Brawlternative's stuff and yeah it do

[tawdry shell]

i was gonna link you the channel lmao

[south hamlet]

no opinion is wrong unless it's just a straight up lie

[wind token]

well she being her favourite cannot be a lie

[tall surge]

No opinion is wrong, unless it opposes mine

[tawdry shell]

true

[past arch]

They fucked her over by not including the cutscene in the director's cut, but even without that, she's a young orphan, she's allowed to overreact and if you talk to her after she even showed self reflection and guilt about what happened with Maya

At the end of the day, TROY killed Maya. Not Ava. Maya was always going to die--even she knew it

[grave vigil]

Ava is just a real ass person which is a breath of fresh air in a world full of goofy one off characters that serve absolutely zero purpose

[past arch]

^FR

[south hamlet]

me personally, i hate ava, but i'm not a sensitive bitch to try and change your opinion over such a thing.

[past arch]

Totally fair

I just hate when people go for my neck when I say I love her

Like honestly if the theories are true and Krieg is Tina's dad, and Krieg and Maya got together, Tina and Ava would technically be sisters and that would lead to some hilarious interactions. I think they'd play off each other very well

[south hamlet]

i think she's way too immature, but heck with it, if you like something go for it

just don't commit goddamn crimes agains humanity

or against nature

[past arch]

Agreed

Her DLC was also very cool

She was funny, showed some backbone and even fought alongside you

[south hamlet]

basically don't be a total bitch

[peak ether]

I'm sorry I need to vent this because ppl always tend to immediately go to shit talking when I try explaining that I don't like Bl2

[past arch]

I first played as Amara so I kind of had an emotional connection. Like my character took over as Ava's teacher, in a way

[past arch]

I do not blame you whatsoever, tbh for the longest time, BL2 was my least favorite in the franchise despite having my favorite villain and favorite playable character, as well as other standouts like Tina and Torgue

[wind token]

what do you mean

[south hamlet]

ppl for some reason tend to hate you if you don't follow what they think is right

[peak ether]

it used to be my fav until I actually sat down and grinded Tps

[south hamlet]

it's exactly what i'm talking abt

[peak ether]

dedi farms are fucking stupid

[past arch]

TPS is my top tier favorite in the entire franchise and I honestly wish it got more DLC

[wind token]

and what is different in other games of the series?

[past arch]

The Claptrap DLC was fantastic tho so thats something at least. I legit cried at the end

[peak ether]

Bl1 legendaries were exclusively world drops

[past arch]

For me personally, TPS has more combat options that make bosses not as much of a pain in the ass to farm, and BL3 lets you actively improve your luck and loot odds so finding legendaries or grinding them isnt a pain in the dick

[compact swift]

Haven't tried BL3 but TPS is my favourite at the moment

[wind token]

another boring no skill activity like it sounds to me

[compact swift]

Granted I play modded

[past arch]

BL3 is great: they took the "every character has their own dialogue for every story beat" and RAN with it and I loved it

[peak ether]

and the rates of said world drops were fair but not broken

[south hamlet]

i cried to the bearer of bad news

[past arch]

?

[peak ether]

Craw actually takes skill

[tawdry shell]

farming craw is a lot more skillfull then killing savage lee lol

[peak ether]

^

[south hamlet]

the bl2 mission

[past arch]

OH, when you tell everyone that "* * * * * *" is dead?

[compact swift]

I'm less interested about the story, since Borderlands has hardly ever been a standout due to its story, and more about the gameplay itself

[south hamlet]

yes

[tawdry shell]

dedicated drops should for the most part be locked behind raids and difficult challenges

[wind token]

you said world drop

[past arch]

Gotcha, yeah that tugged at my heart

[wind token]

but dont get me wrong, i'd also LOVE if mobbing was much more rewarded

[peak ether]

yeah Craw is a world drop farm

[past arch]

I also always got a huge boost of confidence and endophins at the final mission before you go to fight Jack or fight the COV, where everyone on Sanctuary/Sanctuary 3 gives you an item to help you

If it was me, I'd have had them all give uniques and made SURE they were GOOD uniques

[wheat harbor]

and craw was the best way to get legendaries

until dehanced

[wind token]

under world drop farming i understand mobbing

[tawdry shell]

you can get lucky with mobs and chests but craw is definitely the best option

[south hamlet]

that's actually a great idea

[wind token]

well i get it that craw has the world drop pool but thats not what i immediately would think off when we talk world drop farming

[peak ether]

World drops are just items that are in the generic drop pool

[wheat harbor]

when you look at the rest of the series
yeah

especially bl2

raids are fucking AWFUL for world drop farming

[wind token]

it's nothing up to a debate, i just said what i immediately think off

[past arch]

If I could mod, I'd do that: make a gun or item or whatever that fits the personality of the person that gives it to you and make them great

[wheat harbor]

ye and im just saying its understandable

[peak ether]

So getting a Harold from Bunker is a world drop

[south hamlet]

that's exactly what i was gonna say

[past arch]

Honestly id just have Moxxi give you a Grog that doesnt make you drunk lol

[wind token]

it's probably the most comparable to uranus

you farm one thing, but the one thing can drop anything

[tawdry shell]

just use the rubi

[wheat harbor]

that something im trying to do with my bl2 mod
have bosses drop a unique item thats specially designed for them

[wind token]

and again: i would love if mobbing was actually rewarding

[peak ether]

Uranus would've been fine if the fight wasn't boring

[wheat harbor]

except uh
hard

[wind token]

as it is now, we always talk about how good classes are at mobbing but then again mobbing is so useless other than fun for late game

[tawdry shell]

despite the amount of time i've put into bl1 im still ass at craw

[wind token]

it's frustrating

[south hamlet]

imagine a moxxi smg called the Jackhammer

[past arch]

Im talking about the mission where you talk to everyone on sanctuary before you go to fight Jack

[wheat harbor]

it also definitely depends on the map
running through peak and southpaw is a lotta fun
but most maps are awful mobbing experiences

[wind token]

i explained my idea behind the comparison

[past arch]

I think thats an actual gun in Bl3 LMAO

[wheat harbor]

ye

[tawdry shell]

i need a new defiler so bad i can't get second winds of the armored craw worms

[south hamlet]

god dammit

[wind token]

i dont think most maps are awful mobbing experiences

[wheat harbor]

like
the linear maps that dont connect to anything are usually pretty good

[past arch]

Its Hyperion tho, and no Moxxi on it

[wind token]

i just think that it's not rewarding in any case

because drop rates are so garbage

[south hamlet]

have to think abt a better name

[peak ether]

Plague or Corrosive Wrath

[wheat harbor]

southpaw, peak, the uh, bloodwing map i forget

[past arch]

Semi related but grinding Son of Mothrakk sucked ass

[wheat harbor]

is that related?

[past arch]

Not even just because the gun could fly out the fucking map

[wheat harbor]

oh bl2 version right

[peak ether]

Wildlife Explotation Preserve

[wind token]

people always complain about how awful bl3 is because of legendary inflation but i honestly think it's much cooler than literally getting like 1 or 2 legendaries per story playthrough

[wheat harbor]

that map yea

[past arch]

but because you had to run all the way there every single time

[wind token]

it may be overtuned but it's definitely the right direction

[past arch]

I prefer having too much than too little imho

[wheat harbor]

i think people would definitely complain less if legendaries werent so busted in a playthrough

[peak ether]

one of the worst dedi farms

[wheat harbor]

wl was pretty good overall i found

[wind token]

looting just feels so unrewarding

[wheat harbor]

i got some legendaries in my playthrough from playing and seeking out loot

[past arch]

Seriously, id rather drown. I got CRAZY lucky on a recent playthrough and he dropped it for me first try tho

[leaden stag]

The main problem is prolly that we dont have pearls or anything higher than leggo

[wheat harbor]

and none felt busted

[wheat harbor]

how is that a problem?
what does it solve?

[wind token]

thunderball fists?

[past arch]

I wouldnt say that: you still wanna roll for specific elemental drops or gun parts in some cases, like with the Lightshow, or the previously OP Crossroad

[past arch]

Used to be, but thankfully you can farm Sparky for that

[leaden stag]

that you dont feel like you are getting the best rarity for free

[peak ether]

I think higher rarities are stupid outside Bl1

[leaden stag]

think of it like in b1

[wind token]

no i mean i dont go into a map being excited to loot everything some random ass mob drops

because its unrewarding

[wheat harbor]

its a bit of oversaturation at that point which i definitely can see

[leaden stag]

I dont care that much about leggos but ooga booga pearls

[wheat harbor]

agreed

the rarity system means nothing in the later games

[wind token]

yeah i'm aware, just wanted to take a look at it in an isolated view

[past arch]

I do agree its an oversaturation, and they DID tune it up to where now its a relic and you have the choice to put it on or not

[past arch]

hahahahahahah me and my friends sure werent. God that was a nightmare

[wheat harbor]

adding different rarities just does nothing

its a different colour

because rarity colour means nothing

[wind token]

your technical view on it is cutting down the realistic view, different rarities can mean different thing to a player's perception

[wheat harbor]

like hey
a harold is technically one of the most common items in bl2

[leaden stag]

I mean yeah, the idea of the rarity is that they also come with better stats

[wheat harbor]

my point is players are percieving them wrong

[peak ether]

Every item rarity after leg in Bl2 was just leg but a different color for the sake of a dif color

[wind token]

if you know your pearl is much rarer than your legendary then you're hyped to try it out (ofc that requires them being better or more special or something else)

[leaden stag]

than leggos

[wheat harbor]

because theyre percieving them differently to they actually are

[wind token]

#bl1-2-tps-media message

[past arch]

I do wonder when we get red guns

lol

[wind token]

that's game design

[past arch]

crimson rarity or something

[wheat harbor]

the perception around rarities is so different to what they actually functionally do or work

[wind token]

stuff doesnt need to always be different to get different perceptions

[leaden stag]

the reborn nerds made moxxi weapons red thats most we got

[wind token]

zeta

[wheat harbor]

moxxi rarity is so pointless

[past arch]

That's actually pretty cool

I like that flavor

[leaden stag]

I agree

[wind token]

the functionality does not always matter in terms of game design

[wheat harbor]

it does when players have false expectations

[leaden stag]

I liked the color but I dont really see the need for just moxxi weapons being red

[wind token]

read the part in parenthesis again...

[wheat harbor]

people thing hybrids are stronger in bl1 just because theyre rarer

but really most hybrids are worse than the actual legendary

[leaden stag]

cant you weapon merge in b1

[wheat harbor]

only in the bad version of the game

[past arch]

Here's my philosophy: Joke legendaries are totally fine, its ok to have a few. But on NO planet should a Seraph or Pearl gun EVER be bad. The first ever Pearl we got was a world drop. Guess what it was? The fucking Bearcat. Awful.

[leaden stag]

so its basically 3 weapons in 1

[wheat harbor]

im just saying players have a LOT of expectations around rarity sytems

[peak ether]

it's no joke easier to get a specific legendary you want than a specific purple

[wheat harbor]

that gearbox shouldnt be beholden to in game design

[wind token]

thats why i said the part in parenthesis

[leaden stag]

Where are the 3 remaining storm fans

[past arch]

It really is and thats kinda sad

[past arch]

I liked Storm

[wheat harbor]

and people are going to be dissapointed when reality doesnt mean expectations

[wind token]

rarer stuff needs to have something that justifies it

[grave vigil]

it's waaaaaaay easier, it's not even close

[wind token]

doesnt need to be stronger

[wheat harbor]

like look at bl2 pearls

[wind token]

but more special can already be enough

[past arch]

Most of the Bl2 pearls apparently suck and that's just not ok

[leaden stag]

it shoots cool but aswipe damage

[wheat harbor]

the majority of players want pearls to be stupid strong guns
but thats AWFUL game balance

[past arch]

They should ALL be at the very least good

[wind token]

well as i already said multiple times if you would be reading it

[past arch]

You know what we need? We need a system in the next game where can choose to level up or level down our guns

[wheat harbor]

bringing back pearls is never going to actually satsify the desire for pearls if theyre done in an actually balanced way

[leaden stag]

I want them to be slightly or considerably better stats wise than leggo

[wind token]

it doesnt need to be stronger, can also be more special

something to be excited about

[leaden stag]

not game breaking per se

[wheat harbor]

except the vasty majority of players simply dont care

the damn plasma coil is one of the most loved weapons in bl3

norfleet is so insanely loved in bl2

[leaden stag]

otherwise their rarity as you would say wouldnt mean anything

[past arch]

Which one was that again

[wheat harbor]

neither of them are special or interesting

theyre just stupid strong

[wheat harbor]

shock/rad maliwan smg with a delay after every 16 shots
but its insanely OP

[wind token]

well if there's something special then it needs to be a viable gun still obviously

[wheat harbor]

yea

[past arch]

FUck. Here I was thinking id gotten every Legendary in that game. I did 4 full playthroughs with every character cause I loved it so much

Maybe I should give TVHM a try LMAO

[wind token]

like, some unique gimmick or maybe some cool effect

[wheat harbor]

im just saying the vast majority of players dont care about special or fancy

[leaden stag]

I left my flak unfinished

[wheat harbor]

they simply see "does it kill"

[past arch]

I thought the Superball was funny

[wheat harbor]

and guns that kill easier are more entertaining than guns that do actually cool stuff

[leaden stag]

think the last thing I did was killing katawaga on tvhm

[wind token]

okay but if you have two guns that both "kill" then you would probably enjoy the one with a funny gimmick or a funny mechanic more

[past arch]

But something like The Bunny? Which ONLY drops from Tubbies? Which basically means its a wasted slot to make you think you got something cool when you just wasted your time? THAT is ass

[wind token]

thats why i say both need to be viable

[wheat harbor]

maybe
it definitely comes downt to how easy it is to get kills with it

[past arch]

Make Joke legendaries, but time and place matters

[compact swift]

No disrespect but it's a looter shooter not an RPG, if folks like big damage number that's fine lol, whatever makes you kill stuff quicker. Gimmicks and flavour are always a big plus, going all in on power creep is certainly not the best approach but having at least some that do is not an inherently bad thing (all things in moderation yadda yadda)

[leaden stag]

Im biased but I crap on the gunnerang

[wind token]

if the gimmick one is hot ass but has a cool effect thats obviously worse

[wheat harbor]

looter shooters ARE rpgs lmao

[past arch]

Or how good it procs specific skills on specific characters

Like the Grog Nozzle on Salvador

[wheat harbor]

borderlands is literally inspired by diablo

[past arch]

Diaborderlands

[wheat harbor]

its literally an fps ARPG

[past arch]

the new Metroidvania

[peak ether]

except looter shooter is an rpg sub genre

[wheat harbor]

to say its not an rpg is blatantly wrong

borderlands always has and always will be an ARPG

[past arch]

Its got RPG elements but I'd say its more shooter than RPG

[wheat harbor]

its both?

[past arch]

Like I dont deny it is an RPG, so yeah, both

https://tenor.com/view/the-road-to-el-dorado-both-both-is-good-gif-8304204

[wheat harbor]

its an arpg with fps combat

because they describe different elements of the gameplay

[leaden stag]

gun go shooty

[past arch]

What were we talking about?

Oh right, legendaries from BL2 to Pre-Sequel LOL

[compact swift]

Pardon, meant a traditional RPG (turn based and that crap), where there's heavier story elements and depth to it than just kill everything in front of you

[peak ether]

a mostly shit one at that

[leaden stag]

Reasons to complain about bl3

[past arch]

Didnt Pre-Sequel have like, a baby Harold?

The Fragnum. Thats it.

[wheat harbor]

completely different gun

[leaden stag]

a craprold

[wheat harbor]

its not a baby harold

[past arch]

I mean its close enough

[wheat harbor]

its a masher torgue pistol

[leaden stag]

feels like the devastator

[peak ether]

no the issue still exists in 3 just not as bad

[past arch]

You use it with Nisha and it feels like a harold lmao

[wheat harbor]

woa
torgue pistols feel like torgue pistols? crazy

its still a torgue pistol that shoots pellets

[compact swift]

Conversely Borderlands leans heavily on the action aspect of it, sacrificing other characteristics more common to more "traditional RPGs" (in essence, being more "action" than anything)

[past arch]

The Harold does so much better than most torgue pistols or even torgue guns

its in a class of its own, you have to admit

[peak ether]

Bl3 dedi farms are even more boring

[leaden stag]

harold is a good shotgun pistol but its kinda overrated at times

[wheat harbor]

harold is just a torgue pistol with 7x pellets and almost no downside

the downside is ammo cost

but it also has a boosted mag

so yeah
ofc its kinda better

[past arch]

Yeah

[wheat harbor]

its soooo incredibly unbalanced

[past arch]

Pistols or SMGs are probably the strongest gun type in BL2

[wheat harbor]

but that goes for most split pellet weapons

i swear its like gearbox thought split pellet weapons would divide the damage among the pellets

[past arch]

To be fair, most of the raid bosses you have to fight are so infuriatingly bullshit that its kinda necessary

[peak ether]

SMGs are kinda bleh in 2 tho

[wheat harbor]

look at the harold, lyuda, sandhawk, pitchfork

[wheat harbor]

smgs are awful in bl2 lmao

[past arch]

I loved BL2 Sandhawk

[leaden stag]

it balances out by giving enemies animalistic amounts of hp

[wind token]

Wasn't that just a regular torgue pistol with a fancy color?

[past arch]

ring ring Hello Slagga? Someones talkin' shit

[leaden stag]

can bandit get nuked off this earth

[wheat harbor]

harold is uh
not a raiding weapon

[wheat harbor]

its got 100% double shot chance

[past arch]

Then why do I see so many people using it in raid fights lmao

[wheat harbor]

because
le meta

[past arch]

Almost every "melt raid boss" tutorial has someone going in with a harold

[wheat harbor]

its also used for easy heals

because of how slow its pellets are

[past arch]

With the Grog?

[wheat harbor]

you can shoot harold then swap to grog

[past arch]

I see

[leaden stag]

Harold against raid bosses is only for ssalvador glue eaters

[peak ether]

"perceived" meta not actual meta

[wheat harbor]

the smg thats not used for damage and jsut slagging

[past arch]

I havent ever played Sal seriously. I should give him a real try one of these days

[wheat harbor]

yea

[past arch]

What about that one SMG that does Slag and SHock (I think?)

[peak ether]

also Bl2 Harold kinda just

[wheat harbor]

both of them are pretty mid

chulainn and floretine

[past arch]

Respectfully disagree

[leaden stag]

culo

[peak ether]

feels like shit to use

[wind token]

What are you even saying zeta

It procs bb

[past arch]

Get a god roll Sheriffs badge kek

[leaden stag]

bl2 harold is a pseudoshotgun

[wheat harbor]

also
i mean non unique smgs

ofc unique are going to be different

[past arch]

I see

[wheat harbor]

uniques can literally do anything

[wind token]

Plasma casters

[past arch]

Im talking solely unique lmao

[leaden stag]

non unique smgs do be kinda dookie besides casters

[past arch]

My favorite gun type is Shotguns

[wheat harbor]

uniques could generally be any weapon type

[wind token]

Proc bb too

[peak ether]

a fire rate buff doesn't fix the issue

[past arch]

And unfortunately they usually dont get the best legendary+ treatment

[wheat harbor]

because they explicitly exist to break the rules of the normal weapons

[past arch]

Fire rate buff, damage buff, and reload speed buff

[grave vigil]

ive been saying this!

[past arch]

I cant agree with that^

[peak ether]

you can buff the stats all you want it still feels ass

[wheat harbor]

yeah
their base stats are incredibly mediocre and they have no stand out parts like ARs have
ARs have the minigun, vladof and torgue barrel to make incredible ARs

[glass vessel]

I like them

[wheat harbor]

smgs just have minor stat shuffling

[past arch]

I do love casters, I just wish they were more common

The Yellow Jacket was a damn good caster

[wheat harbor]

also ARs have the wild clamp for silly high dps but awful spread

[past arch]

Whats your opinion on the Chopper?

[leaden stag]

dont ARs also have a -20% crit bonus

[wheat harbor]

yes

[past arch]

Is it ok to share videos here or do I share them in #vids-and-streams

[wheat harbor]

theyre just not crit focused weapons

[leaden stag]

robbery

[wheat harbor]

kinda sucks but its not
huge

ARs are just heavily dependant on the barrel

[past arch]

I have a funny video of when me and my friends fought the Badassasaurus Rex and my friend was using a Grit Axton and he rolled the Crit like 20+ times in a row

Ill link it in #vids-and-streams if anyone wants to watch

[wheat harbor]

any dahl, jakobs or bandit barrel ARs just belong in the trash

smgs aare just basically
only that

[leaden stag]

i use the minigun too much

[past arch]

So I assume you dont like the Chopper

[wheat harbor]

blows chunks

[past arch]

Really? Damn shame

Considering how hard it is to fucking get

[wheat harbor]

its a bandit AR

and a blue

[past arch]

Hey now

some blues are better than some PEARLS

[wheat harbor]

blue bandit AR body is AWFUL

worse than green

legitimately

[past arch]

That one specifically sure but id rather use a Sandhawk than a Bearcat

[wheat harbor]

a blue bandit ar is worse than a green

[lofty flame]

Whomstd eatid all my reload speed

[wheat harbor]

ah yes
an extra 3 seconds on the reload time and -20% damage just for
20 more bullets in the mag

[past arch]

Is the Chopper not good on Salvador?

[wheat harbor]

bandits already have a base mag size of 44

[past arch]

Like if he uses that with the Grog doesnt it just make him immortal for a while? lol

[rough galleon]

doesnt the chopper eat more ammo than actually kill?

[wheat harbor]

it still has pathetic damage

[wheat harbor]

yup

[rough galleon]

LOL thought so

[past arch]

It should have more damage, I agree

[lofty flame]

Untill drunk effect kicks in and you start to just cough bullets

[past arch]

I do think its hilarious that it has such a preposterously huge clip

[rough galleon]

Lead Storm/Hail exists

[past arch]

when the drunk comes in and your Harold fires 6x shots. thats the best

[past arch]

Is the hail even good???

[rough galleon]

Very

[lofty flame]

Very

[past arch]

I always thought it was a joke weapon cause of how it shoots

[tawdry shell]

you can use it if you really want to it’s just not like very efficient
https://youtu.be/aV_YYCSvAwo?si=RRAQ1axBIvXC0LTN

it’s more a gimmick then anything

[lofty flame]

Just aim down a bit

[tawdry shell]

i think it’s fun to use every once in a while

[past arch]

I appreciate the video but is it ok to put videos here?

[tawdry shell]

if it’s bl related yeah i don’t see why not

[past arch]

Mods can I slap a BL related vid here

[lofty flame]

Either here or #vids-and-streams

[past arch]

Appreciated

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6GfqWSNo35w&ab_channel=JoryJohnson

Check this shit out. Chopper related

Watch the top screen

[tall surge]

why does it divide then multiply weapon damage

[tawdry shell]

this entire channel consists of bl2 raid speed kills, monster hunter, and CS 1.6

based

[wheat harbor]

standard rarity bonuses with the special bandit ones on top

[tall surge]

oh

[peak ether]

Bandit infuriates me

[past arch]

Aight im gonna jump off. I appreciate the discussion! You all really know your stuff

Good to meet likeminded folks here

[wheat harbor]

basically
theyre handled in 2 different places
so they kept the standard ones as normal
then just also did the "high rarity bandit AR" things

[peak ether]

They're jy favorite manu yet Gbx broken their knees on most of their gun types

[wheat harbor]

theyre just
so boring in 2

even when fixed

[peak ether]

They look the coolest to me

But Gbx thought mag size was a so broken stat that they needed to nerf everything else

Wtf was wrong w/ SnS

[wheat harbor]

yeeaaah

i actually love the concept of the cov mechanic

its just poorly done

so
i made it in 2 for bandit

[peak ether]

I loved using CoV in 3 they were actually really good

[wheat harbor]

yeah
i just felt the heat mechanic sorta barely worked and you could never reliably use it
they end up just becoming normal mag guns but worse with ammo regen

[peak ether]

Ah yeah I get that

[wheat harbor]

but i love the more emphasis on multipellets

so i basically have both

bandit pistols, ars and launchers start at x2
shotguns are 1 higher than others

for smgs
tediore barrel - x1 high fire rate
multi pellet accessory - x3 or x2 on tediore barrel

for ars
jakobs barrel - x1 high damage and accuracy
minigun barrel - x3
multi pellet accessory - x3 or x2 on jakobs barrel
multi pellet with minigun - x6 i think, slow shotgun like AR

[tawdry shell]

i think i've mentioned it before but i love the arena like this

it's even cooler at night

[wheat harbor]

crawsmas

[tawdry shell]

true

[tawdry shell]

neat

[cunning sable]

Hehe

Snake joke

[peak ether]

the better Unforgiven

[tawdry shell]

one downside to this map variant some of the loot beams are kinda hard to see ngl

and apprently its unstable

first crash

damn

[peak ether]

also your Masher looks sad

barrel 1

otherwise it's good

[tawdry shell]

eh it was working for the most part

def gonna use the anaconda over it tho lol

[peak ether]

yeah it'll work

[tawdry shell]

goddamn a really good one i think

[past arch]

Favorite DLC from the 3 games here in thsi channel?

[rough galleon]

Claptrap from tps

[real oracle]

yeah it's p good

ax and C are the big things to have in the name of the gun

and barrel 5 is very nice

not highest damage but it's p much a sniper

tho i think 200 doesnt have the best reload speed, 300 does

[tawdry shell]

oh yeah part of this mod has a change that says purple items with perfect/near perfect parts get a dark red rarity and im curious how accurate that is? either way it looks really cool

so far it hasn't disappointed

screenshots through the color a bit off, it's more red in-game

here it looks brown lol

[real oracle]

looks about right

ar490 is i think what you want

[tawdry shell]

idk if it's cause im playing on a custom map but it says im hitting damage cap against the armored craw worms with it???

my game might just be bugging though, it doesn't one shot

[tawdry shell]

not on crit more like when i hit near the middle of the body

[past arch]

I think my favorite was either Dragon's Keep or Claptrap's from TPS

[tight thunder]

Claptrap def. It also has "Mainframe" lol

[compact swift]

Captain Scarlett and her pirate's booty, haven't gone through TPS' DLCs tho (also haven't played BL3)

[wheat harbor]

CV

[torn nova]

It's like Jakobs snipers all over again

Would a purple be better than green or about average?

[real oracle]

ik a blue is worse than a green but a purple might even out

this can be figured out by just gibbing one in

[torn nova]

[wheat harbor]

heh yea

[grave vigil]

@real oracle https://clips.twitch.tv/MoistSmallCakeUWot-nmQx822_IhZLgM9H

She was like op4/5 LOL

[torn nova]

No way you found it

[wheat harbor]

whats this?

[torn nova]

1 life throw

Because Gaige

[grave vigil]

Mopi kills a gaige 1life by driving off the cliff

I'm not quite sure of his motives outside of burnout, but he killed off a mid-OP level Gaige

[wheat harbor]

lmaoo

[grave vigil]

He's not even a Gaige hater, at least not like the typical ones you see

[peak ether]

almost perfect

[torn nova]

So is Vladof/Torgue on Jakobs body just always better than matching barrel basically

[peak ether]

stock could've been better

[wheat harbor]

uhhh maybe?

[torn nova]

Also what's the ideal barrel for a Bandit AR if you don't like yourself but also don't quite hate yourself

[peak ether]

200 is worst reload

[wheat harbor]

im not too sure about how matching would play into it

[cunning sable]

Woudlnt it be vladof

[torn nova]

Idk just 'cause matching barrel gives extra damage and less recoil or sum

[wheat harbor]

vladof or minigun?

[wheat harbor]

yea

[cunning sable]

There both vladof

[wheat harbor]

vladof barrel is really only decent on dahl

[torn nova]

Okay but

Vladof and Vladof minigun are VASTLY different in performance

[wheat harbor]

i just call em vladof and minigun to differentiate

[torn nova]

What's the synergy there?

[wheat harbor]

because its like x2 on ads

[cunning sable]

I see the Minigun barrel used on like
Everything

[wheat harbor]

yeah its just really good

kinda anti synergy with fire rate

since the spinup is time based, not shot based

[torn nova]

Minigun go brrrr

[wheat harbor]

same issue bl3 has lol

gotta love high firr rate vladof pistols being able to nearly empty the mag before you spin up to max

in bl3

[real oracle]

jakobs gatling guns:

why did they give it like +150% spinup duration on jakobs

[torn nova]

Jakobs does Jakobs things

[real oracle]

it's fucking STUPID

[wheat harbor]

kek

[torn nova]

You click it shoot

[real oracle]

you cant

gatling guns start at like 5 fire rate

[torn nova]

Since when did Randy have braincells?

[wheat harbor]

its actually really annoying for me
because even with 0 spinup time it still starts at the slower fire rate

[real oracle]

and take forever to reach something good

[wheat harbor]

but trhen instantly reach the higher firr rate

[real oracle]

(you empty the mag before you even spin up the gun fully)

[torn nova]

Just use Metal Storm Axton then ez

[wheat harbor]

which really fucks up my full auto jakobs

[torn nova]

Use Krieg, simple solution

[wheat harbor]

i wonder if i can use python to fix it to be shot based

dunno

[torn nova]

You're good enough to

[wheat harbor]

just depends on when stuff is calculated

[torn nova]

Spaghetti code meets Italian chef

[wheat harbor]

kek

[torn nova]

Anyways, isn't Minigun x3 on ads, so it's like a baby minigun for Dahl?

[wheat harbor]

yea

cheaper anmo wise
less dps

[torn nova]

Hmm

[wheat harbor]

but also more accurate i find

so better for crits

[torn nova]

Yeah minigun is hella inaccurate

Especially with wild clamp

Stormtrooper type aim

[wheat harbor]

like yes ARs have a lower crit bonus
but its still greater than 1 so youre better off hitting crits

[torn nova]

And it's more ammo efficient? Or same bullets per projectile being used?

[wheat harbor]

well same bullets per projectile i think

just
less projectiles

[torn nova]

I see so +1 and +1 or +2 and +2

[wheat harbor]

oh wait not even on add

[torn nova]

Also weird that minigun reduces recoil and gives less penalty for spread than Vladof does

Meanwhile Vladof increases recoil

[wheat harbor]

balancing fire rate

its why metal storm lowers recoil

if it didnt a lot of guns would become awful

[torn nova]

Ahh

[wheat harbor]

becasue recoil is added per shot

so if you shoot faster you kick faster

[torn nova]

• less interval for regen to take place

Unless that's just a CoD thing

[wheat harbor]

uhhhh

theres a delay before you start to regen accuracy

i dont remeber about recoil tho

[torn nova]

So that'd be a no then got it

[wheat harbor]

i also think the delay is just 0.2 thats not changed by anything

its why hyperion snipers accuracy starts increasing before your next shot

[torn nova]

That's pretty funny

Invader isn't actually a bad gun tbh

Just uses a ton of ammo

But I like the brrrr on it

[wheat harbor]

yeah
makes em feel very bad unless you stack fire rate boosts

[grave vigil]

my favorite thing is sprint multi-shotting with hyperion weapons

[torn nova]

Careful or you'll hit Nurse Nina doing that

[grave vigil]

upside down... boy you turn me inside out

[torn nova]

This is just 600 Anarchy gameplay

Nothing unusual about it

[wheat harbor]

kek yeah
cause kick is based on accurscy
and sprinting increases accuracy

accuracy the stat
not
accuracy the concept

but not accuracy the stat on the card

[real oracle]

i hate that

[grave vigil]

sprint shooting was something I wanted to toy around with but it's basically impossible to keep up without a macro (and still inconsistent with one)

[real oracle]

me when technically speaking, increasing the accuracy value is BAD

(the actual accuracy value)

[grave vigil]

like I could be doing BL3 drive by shootings with the flakker

[fair sluice]

I did go to the entrance

I don't get no dialog no entrance no nun

I might be dumb but I think it's softlocked ngl

[glass vessel]

You have to walk up to it and press the button to open it it doesn’t look like an obvious door

[fair sluice]

But I didn't even get a prompt to press anything either

That's what makes me think I sumhow messed it up

[glass vessel]

Maybe reload the game then that’s weird

Nah probably juts glitching

[fair sluice]

I did I got too Mad cuz the guardians kept riding me like a rodeo show

And got on youtube

[glass vessel]

Lmfaooooo

Also I’m on PlayStation as well so if you ever need help in that game lemme know it’s print gabble game

[fair sluice]

Did the va for gogu and virgina from dragon balls zee voice sum the legion dudes?

[fair sluice]

Prolly getting in the vault and killing the dude inside

Cuz I jus remember it being a boss and lilith punches jack for sum reason and the vault symbol is engraved into his face

Id

k