because poop game
#bl1-2-tps-media
wind token
nocturne mist
im looking at her skill tree rn for when i play bl1
and she has so many melee buffs
wind token
also, could be lowkey nice on krieg
wind token
i need to lowkey check in depth how perfect parts change for krieg
nocturne mist
bandit grip sadly
wind token
like, it's crazy that matching grip is just garbage
because krieg already has it in his kit
nocturne mist
idek
tiny thorn
@wind token & @real oracle
What about this??
nocturne mist
i just know what they look lke and what different parts do sort of
grab buzzaxe bomberdier
wind token
<@264557065886760970> & <@652389298263293953>
What about this??
can you just send the bl2skills link
nocturne mist
you ralso really want thrill of the kill
tiny thorn
can you just send the bl2skills link
nocturne mist
also why strip the flesh on a melee build that doesnt have the explosive skill?
wind token
to make things short: this is mine
nocturne mist
why redeem the soul?
wind token
ffyl time?
tiny thorn
you ralso really want thrill of the kill
Which 1 point should I drop in Bloodlust & which 5 should I drop in Mania?
wind token
it's only 1 point for +50% ffyl
tiny thorn
also why strip the flesh on a melee build that doesnt have the explosive skill?
Using grenades a lot along with Blood Bath.
nocturne mist
oh you right
wind token
you ralso really want thrill of the kill
no you dont
nocturne mist
its nice
wind token
again: it's a melee build
wind token
you get full hp per kill
nocturne mist
buzzaxe bonberdier chat
wind token
yeah definitely grab that
your rotation in melee krieg is get melee kill -> spam axes
then once your fuel the blood expires repeat
wind token
Using grenades a lot along with Blood Bath.
again: melee build
nocturne mist
Using grenades a lot along with Blood Bath.
buzzaxe bomberdier will buff axe throws plus it procs blood bath and synergizes with strip te flesh plus and other explosive damage buffs + melee buffs
wind token
you will not be able to use grenades other than the time where you wait to be low hp
wind token
buzzaxe bomberdier will buff axe throws plus it procs blood bath and synergizes ...
bbath is irrelevant for melee
nocturne mist
i mean maybe magic misille? but thats just for slag before popping it
i was thinking to keep slag grenades or smth up
nocturne mist
but
wind token
well actually, you meant the grenade drop
nocturne mist
hear me out
wind token
yeah that is true
nocturne mist
yes grenade drop
wind token
i was thinking the damage buff
nocturne mist
so he can slag stuff if he wants to? idk
wind token
but yeah the grenade is true
wind token
i was thinking to keep slag grenades or smth up
i would use a nade that keeps up bloodlust
nocturne mist
whenever i play melee krieg i dont bother grabbing it
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and slag with slagga while waiting for low hp
nocturne mist
one of my favorate things to do on krieg is explosive fastball and just walking around with bb and slagga
just press g wrinse and repeat
man gaige would be so busted if she had axton or kriegs swap speed
or so much more broken
tiny thorn
@wind token
What about 1 in Flame Flare instead of Redeem?
tiny thorn
one of my favorate things to do on krieg is explosive fastball and just walking ...
I'm wondering if explosives might be better than melee
tiny thorn
imo neither are better
What do you think of this?
#bl1-2-tps-media message
nocturne mist
i prefer explosive over melee because i dont like how braindead melee is sometimes
tiny thorn
i prefer explosive over melee because i dont like how braindead melee is sometim...
Somebody told me playing Kreig is only pushing 2 buttons the whole time
nocturne mist
i mean
thats one way to play him
you can say the exact same thing about every vaullt hunter
"all maya does is hit f and shoot sandhawk" "all sal does is shoot twice" "all gaige does is press one button" "all zero does is shoot one shot and bore kills everything"
wind token
<@264557065886760970>
What about 1 in Flame Flare instead of Redeem?
i mean, you can decide to not take redeem the soul, i just dont know why
tiny thorn
you can say the exact same thing about every vaullt hunter
Not Zer0 in UVHM..
Slag, Deception, Kunai (same button at Deception tho..), swap weapon & unload..
So that's 3 buttons & a mouse wheel.
nocturne mist
what im saying is its mostly wrong
wind token
hold on, i noticed something bad, let me respec
nocturne mist
its just overly simplifying things
tiny thorn
Not Zer0 in UVHM..
Slag, Deception, Kunai (same button at Deception tho..), swap...
Fuck, wait, that's still only 2 buttons..
nocturne mist
you can make this arguement about games not being hard as well
nocturne mist
wait
tiny thorn
actually this
I was wondering why you didn't take Boiling Blood
nocturne mist
its not needed when you have a pandemic constantly stacking for you
wind token
I was wondering why you didn't take Boiling Blood
there's no reason
i just had a brainer when i saved this skill tree
wind token
its not needed when you have a pandemic constantly stacking for you
yeah i guess you can opt in for it
so either reload speed or longer stack duration
nocturne mist
woah man im on my krieg brake
relax bucko
im getting gaige to op 10 and then im playing bl1 and then bl3 dlcs on my amara bc i just bought them
THEN ill get krieg to op 10
tiny thorn
actually this
Do I not want to take Flame Flare to 5?
100% duration.. I can't Stop, Drop & Roll in this game.
nocturne mist
i dont fw hellborn builds so i have no idea
i simply dont like them bc the gear they use is a pain to farm imo
or it was when i was farming for it
wind token
Do I not want to take Flame Flare to 5?
100% duration.. I can't Stop, Drop & Rol...
it ultimately doesnt matter
like, where do you want to take a point away?
plus, 1 point doesnt make a whole lot of difference
tiny thorn
it ultimately doesnt matter
It's between 5 in FF,
Or 1 in Redeem & 4 in FF.
nocturne mist
nothing annoys me more as gaige then when im up next to a badass loader and he just knocks me away with 300 stacks so none of my pellets lan d
real oracle
do you think this skill is oversaturated 
wind token
It's between 5 in FF,
Or 1 in Redeem & 4 in FF.
definitely the second
i mean 80% duration is good enough
nocturne mist
too much visual clutter make it go to bl3
wind token
plus as already said the pandemics will reapply being on fire often enough
tiny thorn
i mean 80% duration is good enough
I'm scared of 100% duration, honestly.
worn coyote
I ate it
nocturne mist
tall surge
any build critiques i like my dot anarchy build chat
good enough
wind token
i love that flakker
where
nocturne mist
not flakker
worn coyote
Carnage
nocturne mist
carnage got them mixed up because casual prefix on torgue shotgun
makes me think flakker
worn coyote
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/762025694992531476/1248371762219978915/fa...
I got the patriots on my side (this feels like an L)
worn coyote
Depends on what ele your weapons are
tawdry shell
with my build which bone do i use
well what weapons are you using
tawdry shell
Depends on what ele your weapons are
^
nocturne mist
grog heartbreaker a shock or corrosive topnea depending on enemys and a hydra
wind token
is jakobs or torgue grip more damage though?
worn coyote
Fire on fire weap
nocturne mist
im not actually sure
i think torgue grip would be better because matching but i think jacobs is def still good
cunning sable
is jakobs or torgue grip more damage though?
On what
nocturne mist
carnage
wind token
did i just...
nocturne mist
Shock bone on shock weap
am i supposed to swap whenever i swap weopons
cunning sable
I think jakobs has the most raw dps
But for matching grip and dps you would go tourge on carnage
wind token
it may not be perfect but hell yeah
wind token
I think jakobs has the most raw dps
But for matching grip and dps you would go t...
im on krieg buddy
nocturne mist
erm guys
wind token
so matching grip is whatever
worn coyote
am i supposed to swap whenever i swap weopons
Yrah basicly
cunning sable
That hive sucks
tiny thorn
good enough
Rapple, you wanna see my builds I just finished for each character?
nocturne mist
get back to that 0 gear bud...
wind token
what the fuck <@264557065886760970>
i just wanted to see how good my flakker swapping is
it was literally first try
tiny thorn
Rapple, you wanna see my builds I just finished for each character?
And blue
cunning sable
did i just...
No prefix, rocket speed sight and exhaust, bad hive other thrn the grip
nocturne mist
i used to think hive was almost guarenteed because id get it everytime i killed saturn
wind token
That hive sucks
just because it has no accessory i dont think it sucks
it's still a hive at the end of the day
nocturne mist
exaust
cunning sable
Rocket speed makws it worse
wind token
No prefix, rocket speed sight and exhaust, bad hive other thrn the grip
does rocket speed make it "trigger" the hive gimmick earlier?
ah
cunning sable
No it fires out faster meaning the inital orb is farther away from the target
wind token
the one i already had was this one
nocturne mist
is that bandit grip idk launcher grips
cunning sable
If it has a blade on a rocket its bandit
nocturne mist
ah okay
the only weopon parts i have memorized is pistols and shotguns
just because i like th em
tiny thorn
is that bandit grip idk launcher grips
Who tf puts blades on a rocket launcher?
nocturne mist
plus i love tedior grips on shoguns
nocturne mist
Who tf puts blades on a rocket launcher?
bandits
cunning sable
Who tf puts blades on a rocket launcher?
Bandit
tiny thorn
I knew that answer was coming
cunning sable
Sight
tiny thorn
whats the word
Bird is the word
nocturne mist
im still pissed this dropped
i get shams whenever i dont want them
i needed this in uvhm not tvhm
cunning sable
Thats a sucky sham anyway
cunning sable
Bitch is better smh
cunning sable
Still a good gun
wind token
i have this one
cunning sable
I got this one
nocturne mist
its all over my pants
wind token
python part notifier i think
cunning sable
Could use your eyes
wind token
i know the parts that are important for me without needing to look but its convenient yeah
wind token
Could use your eyes
can also not be a bitch with flexing having learned parts
nocturne mist
Could use your eyes
i only want it for shield parts
cunning sable
can also not be a bitch with flexing having learned parts
I dont flex
I brag
nocturne mist
can also not be a bitch with flexing having learned parts
i only know shotgun and pistols ðŸ˜
cunning sable
now out of spite i will kill uranus
We call that Tuesday
cunning sable
Dont you want a low lv one for stacks
wind token
yeah would be better of course
although you have so much survivability with melee so it might not matter probably
tall surge
truly a funkland moment
real oracle
im too fast
@opal ingot get out of my game
yeah
could prob use an extra point in speed per speed
cunning sable
doesnt pklay zane
ports him into bl2
smh
real oracle
shut UP, driver amara counts too
the fucking game crashed
YOOO crash test dummy did its thing
so easy
he just BARELY has enough hp to survive
i can fix that
wooo
yeah he aint livin that
this is great
TEST DUMMY HAS A LOT OF HEALTH
wonder how much damage zer0 can do with max money and a level 1 gun
cunning sable
2
wind token
@nocturne mist can you please leave out your shitty items out of my lobbies?
tidal obsidian
What is this item mod?
wind token
got the thing 
wind token
What is this item mod?
what mod do you mean?
tidal obsidian
The card of the item has the skills with colors and shows grades
tidal obsidian
got the thing <a:mozeRotating:836284678788743179>
Same for that gun. The card shows weapon parts
wind token
python part notifier is for the parts
the colors are uhh
let me check
its some txt mod iirc
wind token
The card of the item has the skills with colors and shows grades
for the parts here https://bl-sdk.github.io/mods/PythonPartNotifier/
nocturne mist
<@900883687560847422> can you please leave out your shitty items out of my lobbi...
😾
zinc gyro
got the thing <a:mozeRotating:836284678788743179>
woa, actual garbage
tawdry shell
tunguska so fun when you don’t have people yelling in your ear it’s garbage
(this applies to a lot of gear)
real oracle
this fucking thing is multiplicative to her skill
v nice
it's also multiplicative with
wind token
woa, actual garbage
hey for javelin krieg it might not be too bad okay
also i like the the bunny more for that
tiny thorn
Melee only Krieg.
Probably with a Rapier, Grog & Roid Shield.
Can the Rapier come in Slag?
Maybe a fire one..
Fire or Slag grenade.
real oracle
you dont need a slag rapier if thats what you're wondering
but people insist that you do
tiny thorn
I forgot to tag @rough galleon
tiny thorn
you dont need a slag rapier if thats what you're wondering
What about a slag leech grenade?
real oracle
leech cant be slag
tiny thorn
I feel like I got a MM that was both..
nocturne mist
Melee only Krieg.
Probably with a Rapier, Grog & Roid Shield.
Can the Rapier com...
krieg doesnt need a roid shield just use a roughrider
real oracle
kriegs base melee formula in bxr can very much outweigh roid
since it has a fucking 5x multiplier on top of a linear scaling term
nocturne mist
im confused i cant tell if your agreeing with me or not
real oracle
i am
nocturne mist
also doesnt rapier just not matter for krieg
releast the beast moment
just use a slagga only gun you need
@tiny thorn
i prefer going down my blue tree next but green works aswell
but no matter what just make sure you put 5 into close enough
swift forge
5/5 preshrunk is a waste of points
early-tier points in BFF tree are better than mid-tier points in OC
nocturne mist
ah ok ill go respec
zinc gyro
tunguska so fun when you don’t have people yelling in your ear it’s garbage
of course you can try building around it, but imo it's performing worst that some non unique launcher 💀
zinc gyro
hey for javelin krieg it might not be too bad okay <a:mozeRotating:8362846787887...
javelin with a torgue launcher?
nocturne mist
@swift forge is electrical storm ass or nah
swift forge
it's ass
put only enough points into preshrunk as you're comfortable with
but always remember the math:
400 stacks + close enough = +100% damage
hitting an enemy with 70 stacks > 100% damage
always prefer to hit enemies at low stacks than rely on close enough
nocturne mist
i really only need 200 stacks whenever i go over 200 i just pop discord and stop it when i hit 200 again
swift forge
I usually do 4/5 pep + 1/5 gorilla
there are a ton of otherwise high quality coms that randomly boost gorilla
nocturne mist
i dont use dt for damage i just use him for a distraction
nocturne mist
i couldnt pick between more pep or electrical storm
swift forge
storm is trash
you always stat myelin first, then split five points between pep and gorilla. A lot of random coms boost pep as well so I would always recommend at least 1 point in each
nocturne mist
im farming for a blackhole rn then im doing bunker and my final story push
swift forge
but if you don't care about randomly getting gorilla to 5/5 for one then whatever
nocturne mist
then im farming xp and then op levels
swift forge
I wouldn't do exactly what you're doing but it seems fine, you have your bases covered
I usually recommend going left tree rather than centre
swift forge
since you can't guarantee having good shock/elemental guns
nocturne mist
this is my gear set up my shields gonna switch to a blackhole soon
i dont use herold for damage i just use it for healing
i like to throw storm fronts and swap to grog it makes me unkillable its so fun
swift forge
white shield lol
nocturne mist
its a turtle shield placeholder for now
its just a white turtle shield from the vendor ðŸ˜
swift forge
you use grog to slag?
nocturne mist
i have a slagga too but i just use grog
i think slaga is over kill for now
im gonna use slagga for slagging in op levels but for now grog works
swift forge
I used magic missile throughout uvhm, but grenade healing too good in OP levels
currently I'm on chain lightning
nocturne mist
i might do the same but for my little offmeta build im running rn storm front works better
swift forge
seems fine
nocturne mist
i need to finish tinas soon ill do it when i set up my moonshot farm
swift forge
I think I might swap to slagfusions at op10
nocturne mist
or actually when the final quest im just gonna go and do tinas
so i can immedietly start farming xp through moonshot farming
without having to run through heros pass
im not going to complete talon of god though because i might need a on level cc
or maybe ill finish it and just use a bee with a underleveled cc
this is the current build
cunning sable
That black hole sucks
nocturne mist
it doenst matter
cunning sable
It makes the novas damage better
real oracle
the radius matters more smh
nocturne mist
i dont think it matters for now
real oracle
shouldnt
nocturne mist
only level 65 and im about to push the story
parts dont matter yet really exept on my shotgun
black hole is great
this build is the easiest bunker clumb of my life
tiny thorn
this is the current build
I just started her,
This is the game plan:
https://bl2skills.com/mechromancer.html#510150151151550001150500415050151050
nocturne mist
you only need 1 point in nth degree not all 5
tiny thorn
you only need 1 point in nth degree not all 5
Oh really?
nocturne mist
yur
nocturne mist
you dont need it tbh
shotguns/fibber makes it not matter
also buckup isnt needed
bloodsoaked sheids does what it does but better
tiny thorn
shotguns/fibber makes it not matter
I was thinking of running SMG bc I heard Assault Rifle was the worst gun category in the game.
tiny thorn
also buckup isnt needed
I had the extra point & needed to spend it in that tree to progress.
It's either that or 1 more in Cooking or Sterner.
tiny thorn
smgs on gaige is not the play
Just shotguns on her?
Large or small mag?
nocturne mist
also intespeed outburst isnt the best slaging skill in the game but its still good
depends on preference
tiny thorn
Small gets anarchy faster
Maybe Slow Hand?
nocturne mist
i like to use 1-2 shot jacobs shotguns on her
tiny thorn
She's not so squishy
nocturne mist
hydra twister orphan maker cc heart breaker striker
tiny thorn
i like to use 1-2 shot jacobs shotguns on her
Does Nth degree even trigger?
tiny thorn
Oh wow
nocturne mist
thats why you only need one point
tiny thorn
So just 1 pellet flys to another enemy?
tiny thorn
So where should I put my remaining 4 points?
https://bl2skills.com/mechromancer.html#510150151151550001150500415050151010
nocturne mist
id just take one out of cooking up trouble and put all 5 points into interspaced outburst
also buck up and explosive clap arent the best
but should be fine till uvhm
tiny thorn
also buck up and explosive clap arent the best
I heard explosive clap can stagger enemies.
tiny thorn
id just take one out of cooking up trouble and put all 5 points into interspaced...
But wouldn't I just have a slag weapon?
nocturne mist
yes but gaige swap speed is no where near axton or kriegs
so its easier if you dont have to swap sometimes
if you use a slag grenade though i guess you dont really need it
real oracle
IO is still shit :)
nocturne mist
then why does every build on the gaige doc use it
wind token
javelin with a torgue launcher?
wasnt it tediore?
nocturne mist
tunguska is torgue
nocturne mist
is this sham ass
i mean ittle work
also you can use other shoguns/certain pistols
like i love using ravagers on her
tiny thorn
@nocturne mist
Ok, this is what I have for Gaige,
So I can switch between Catalyst & Mech.
https://bl2skills.com/mechromancer.html#550000151551550011150510415050151010
Or, is Anarchist pretty good?
nocturne mist
yea that works
untill i can get legendary anarchist or just legendary mechromancer i just like to use a speedy jill of all trades for extra reload speed
tiny thorn
untill i can get legendary anarchist or just legendary mechromancer i just like ...
Well, this way I can swap between all 3.
Use Anarchist at the beginning of a fight to quickly stack Anarchy, swap to Cat to do the shock DOT and swap to Mech & let DT loose whenever.
Maybe with a +Shock Relic.
tiny thorn
shock bone
I have a +18% Shock Relic and a 530ish×9 (I think) non-elemental 2 mag Jakobs dropping into NVHM at 30.
Should I go see what Deputy's Badge NVHM has? I'm not speccing into the Blue Tree until UVHM.
tiny thorn
i think you only use deputys badge when your using fibber
It's good with any 1 or 2 mag Jakobs
tiny thorn
Or any shotgun really.
Along with Smaller, Lighter, Faster.
opal ingot
doesnt deputys badge buff pistols?
it boosts shotguns
nocturne mist
maybe im thinking about sherrifs badge
tiny thorn
doesnt deputys badge buff pistols?
That's Sheriff's
valid fox
after a whole week of sporadic farming, i got it
serene escarpBOT
Bl1 Part Visual Charts
https://borderlands.fandom.com/wiki/Gun_Component_Charts
BL2 & TPS Parts
https://bl2.parts/
wind token
dont know if it's in the second link, otherwise might check fandom, should be correct there
wind token
ah prefixes, best off checking in blcmm
real oracle
the code name for the prefix for tech3 on shotguns?
dont worry about that, the game automatically puts it
unless you have sanity saver maybe
signal stump
my game didn't put it in
real oracle
loser
real oracle
its cuz you have NO fit
wind token
no I meant the code name
can you send me the prefix you already have
so i can copy it into blcmm
signal stump
you mean the accessory?
wind token
the prefix
signal stump
the prefix is wrong
wind token
what you have in your textbox already
bro if i tell you to just send me what is in the textbox
signal stump
there's nothing there, I deleted it because it's wrong
wind token
well i'm not gonna type it letter by letter then xd
signal stump
GD_Weap_Shotgun.Name.Prefix_Tediore.Prefix_ShotgunShell_GeneralBoost I'm telling you this search doesn't do anything
because it's not the prefix i am looking for
unless you'd find it in the same general location
wind token
WeaponNamePartDefinition'GD_Weap_Shotgun.Name.Prefix_Tediore.Prefix_Bayonet_1'
WeaponNamePartDefinition'GD_Weap_Shotgun.Name.Prefix_Tediore.Prefix_Elemental_Corrosive'
WeaponNamePartDefinition'GD_Weap_Shotgun.Name.Prefix_Tediore.Prefix_Elemental_Incendiary'
WeaponNamePartDefinition'GD_Weap_Shotgun.Name.Prefix_Tediore.Prefix_Elemental_Shock'
WeaponNamePartDefinition'GD_Weap_Shotgun.Name.Prefix_Tediore.Prefix_Elemental_Slag'
WeaponNamePartDefinition'GD_Weap_Shotgun.Name.Prefix_Tediore.Prefix_MoonClip_MagSize'
WeaponNamePartDefinition'GD_Weap_Shotgun.Name.Prefix_Tediore.Prefix_ShotgunShell_GeneralBoost'
WeaponNamePartDefinition'GD_Weap_Shotgun.Name.Prefix_Tediore.Prefix_Tech1_Skeet'
WeaponNamePartDefinition'GD_Weap_Shotgun.Name.Prefix_Tediore.Prefix_Tech2_Critical'
WeaponNamePartDefinition'GD_Weap_Shotgun.Name.Prefix_Tediore.Prefix_Tech3_Reload'
WeaponNamePartDefinition'GD_Weap_Shotgun.Name.Prefix_Tediore.Prefix_VerticalGrip_Stability'
these are the ones i found
signal stump
ah thanks
valid fox
this may be weird but is the texture on pruple rarity bandit guns viewable anywhere? it has some cool art on it
wheat harbor
for prefixes
prefixes arent sanity checked
theyre overridden in the sanity check process
so if you disable sanity check it wont fixup the prefix
wide fog
bandit grip sadly though
why bandit grip sadly? that’s literally the second best you could get
trim hinge
bandit grip is just very good in like everything
nocturne mist
it was so close to being perfect
wheat harbor
bandit grip is just very good in like everything
mag size basically always good
and then
for some reason bandit grip consistently has large mag size boosts
like on pistols its larger than the damn matching grip bonus
nocturne mist
because thats what bandit grip does ðŸ˜
real oracle
i coulda sworn you used to be a bandit grip hater
wheat harbor
because thats what bandit grip does ðŸ˜
no i mean
the boost is bigger than most other stat boosts
real oracle
i think it was on the bitch
wheat harbor
i coulda sworn you used to be a bandit grip hater
i still am
real oracle
that or it was nex or something
nocturne mist
ohh
wheat harbor
i cant stand slow reloads
real oracle
honestly you and nex are like the same except that she never became mod
real oracle
except damage
but everything else about launchers in bl1 was great
and bl3 went back to giving them a fuckload of ammo
wheat harbor
except damage
true
real oracle
i just did mtd with a globetrottr on amara, no ammo regen and it was more than enough
fuckin love being able to spam launchers
wheat harbor
i just hate how bl2 made them entirely "just in case" weapons
wheat harbor
since like
you just cant get ammo back
wheat harbor
its meh
wheat harbor
the low pellet count shotguns are kinda suckerton
nocturne mist
what should i use instead of it exept for a hydra
or twister bc i am not farming ooo
wheat harbor
triquetra is always an option
can always farm the ffs jakobs dig thingy for a coach gun
wheat harbor
coach gun
nocturne mist
alrighty ill get to farming it
i just need coach gun and blackhole and maybe a hornet or hive and then im ready to start the op climb
signal stump
so if you disable sanity check it wont fixup the prefix
but i didn’t even disable sanity check 
wheat harbor
coach gun or longrider
coach
coach is one of the best non uniques in the game
wheat harbor
yeah
quad is super expensive
and kinda innacurate
coach nearly has the same damage per projectile as a quad too
nocturne mist
the way i play gaige which i probably cant do this anymore but i get super close
idk if i can get away with that anymore
bc going into op levels
nocturne mist
but through nvhm through uvhm it was super fun
real oracle
bl2
wheat harbor
tru
nocturne mist
whys wonderlust on gaige good
wind token
bandit grip sadly though
jakobs grip drop when
wheat harbor
@real oracle why the fuck do so many weapons have stability accessories and no reload speed accessory
well
ARs and pistols so far
wind token
bandit grip is just very good in like everything
sucks to reload though, gladly im krieg
real oracle
at least it isnt cowboy
nocturne mist
what
trim hinge
if its not a cowboy bekah its good yeah
nocturne mist
razor
wind token
whats cowboy? fire rate?
trim hinge
bullet speed
wind token
ah sounds bad too
there are certain boss scenarios maybe where it might be useful, similar to vel0city lyuda
real oracle
the bekah isnt that great for bossing cuz no element, so cowboy completely neuters its mobbing potential
wind token
the bekah isnt that great for bossing cuz no element, so cowboy completely neute...
ah true, jakobs 
wind token
the bekah isnt that great for bossing cuz no element, so cowboy completely neute...
i suppose you already have to be careful with spacing
real oracle
actually it's really lenient
wind token
and then bullet speed will just make it ridiculous
real oracle
the split happens p soon and the angle is shallow so it works at close to medium-long range
wheat harbor
the bekah isnt that great for bossing cuz no element, so cowboy completely neute...
bee 
real oracle
still loses but it's up there
i want to say it can outdps a sandhawk when you factor in matching times bone but, theres just no way
wheat harbor
the split happens p soon and the angle is shallow so it works at close to medium...
i just find it annoying how slow the split is to start
real oracle
yeah mew does too
wheat harbor
feels like a massive gap between the initial bullet and split bullet
real oracle
if it was more like the bl3 bekah
nocturne mist
whys carnage good
wheat harbor
yeah the bl3 bekah feels great to me
nocturne mist
it doesnt seem good
real oracle
i wonder
wheat harbor
whys carnage good
splash
damage
trim hinge
ive used carnage on gaige before its actually not bad
wheat harbor
its the only pure splash torgue shotgun i think
real oracle
ig its better on characters who dont care that much about critting
wheat harbor
so easy bloodbath procs
nocturne mist
ive used carnage on gaige before its actually not bad
havent used it on an enemy yet
nocturne mist
axton
wheat harbor
eh
real oracle
it's fine on axton
wheat harbor
axton gets more out of regular torgues tho
nocturne mist
welp im off to the op levels now
got my legendary archanist bekah
oops nvm i gotta go farm blackhole rq
swift forge
why are you maxing out made of sterner stuff
tiny thorn
Just for the DT, a little more survivability. And I needed 3 in it to progress to the next Tier anyway..
So I just threw my last 2 in it.
I could throw those 2 in the Slag skill I guess..
I only need 1 for Nth Degree since it triggers off of pellets.
nocturne mist
I don't like black hole on OP levels lol
what shield then
swift forge
I use a purple turtle at level 80 and start using antag at op3
but black hole should be fine? I guess?
nocturne mist
what does antagonist do and what dlc is it
id still want a black whole just for dt though
its pretty nice on him
tiny thorn
what does antagonist do and what dlc is it
Mine shoots slag
real oracle
always shoots slag balls
swift forge
it's a high capacity shield that reduces bullet damage and has some funny bullet reflection stuff
nocturne mist
how do i get crystals on gaige
wheat harbor
what does antagonist do and what dlc is it
big capacity
reflects bullets
homing slag orbs
wheat harbor
it's a high capacity shield that reduces bullet damage and has some funny bullet...
it only reduces damage for reflected bullets
nocturne mist
can i do haderax instead
tiny thorn
Soly, is that Gaige build decent, especially being able to swap between 3 Legendary COMs?
Or is it dumb?
swift forge
please find five points to put in the better half
I don't care if your main weapon is the twister
tiny thorn
please find five points to put in the better half
I don't need it with Jakobs shotguns tho!
tiny thorn
Just a Jakobs shotgun & Slag Grenades
I was going to use SMG on Gaige but Bean told me not to.
I know Assault Rifles suck
nocturne mist
some ars are really fucking good
wheat harbor
ARs are the most barrel dependant weapon type
real oracle
idk what ar's you'd use on gaige besides the hail and kitten
tiny thorn
I thought SMG basically always beat AR
nocturne mist
is there an smg hail
real oracle
I thought SMG basically always beat AR
if you factor in uniques, smgs are probably the worst fucking guns in the game
swift forge
an average smg beats an average ar
wheat harbor
I thought SMG basically always beat AR
basically
smgs have better base stats than ARs
but smg parts are really mediocre, including uniques
tiny thorn
But unique ARs beat unique SMGs?
wheat harbor
so ARs can beat out smgs depending on the barrel
nocturne mist
I thought SMG basically always beat AR
idk what smgs youd use on gaige other than sandhawk or slagga
swift forge
unique ARs are crazy buggers
real oracle
well ars have a lot of unique stinkers but
wheat harbor
not just uniques tho
swift forge
bekah, hail, kitten, ogre
real oracle
theres also some really fucking strong ones
wheat harbor
i say barrel as unique weapons all have a special barrel
real oracle
oh yeah and then theres the vladof barrel
tiny thorn
Twister or 4 Barrel, Slagga & what else on Gaige?
real oracle
i say barrel as unique weapons all have a special barrel
fair
wheat harbor
minigun and torgue barrel ARs can go hard
nocturne mist
fibber
real oracle
no unique body and all
real oracle
minigun and torgue barrel ARs can go hard
TORGUE??
tiny thorn
Thanks bean
wheat harbor
no unique body and all
sawbar and bekah have special bodies for some reason but it doesnt do anything
real oracle
iirc it literally only has the rarity and that's it
wheat harbor
iirc it literally only has the rarity and that's it
its literally just a clone of the purple body with 6 in its name
nocturne mist
hive
real oracle
havent looked in a bit but yeah it's kinda just..there
wheat harbor
its funny how the sawbar is regarded as a good weapon despite how utterly AWFUL bandit ARs are
nocturne mist
maggie hornet
wheat harbor
like
the sawbar could actually be one of the best weapons in the game if bandit ARs were better
nocturne mist
i like the sawbar but i dont like how i have to space for it
real oracle
its funny how the sawbar is regarded as a good weapon despite how utterly AWFUL ...
thats literally the only thing holding it down
yeah
and it's still very good tbf
wheat harbor
and it's still very good tbf
yeah
wheat harbor
i like the sawbar but i dont like how i have to space for it
its a bit awkward imo
bl2 movement isnt great so getting the spacing is kinda clunky
nocturne mist
exactly
wheat harbor
its fun with mods like bl2eternal for air dashing
wind token
krieg sorta just braindead
wdym
wheat harbor
i always find the difficulty of krieg seemingly overhyped
is it just because i know how teh splash shenanigans work that then its easy to figure out?
nocturne mist
op1 aquired
real oracle
no character is really that difficult
wind token
carnage on krieg?
i know carnage on krieg, i just didnt understand what you meant by that sentence
like, what is braindead?
wind token
i always find the difficulty of krieg seemingly overhyped
is it just because i k...
what shenanigans? that blood bath is procced by grenade/rocket splash and how different weapons have grenade or rocket splash added to them (or even pure)?
real oracle
just managing bloodlust
wind token
zeta said splash shenanigans, dont know what that has to do with bloodlust
real oracle
i think zer0 and krieg are def the hardest characters to play but it isnt that difficult
real oracle
zeta said splash shenanigans, dont know what that has to do with bloodlust
knowing what guns can proc BB
n shit ig
wind token
why krieg is usually called difficult is probably that you need some background knowledge
so splash "shenanigans" are probably part of that
real oracle
yeah
wind token
melee is braindead simple to build
but probably a big part may be "haha krieg = melee character" and that bossing is more difficult
or requires some tricks at least
real oracle
yeah with tricks he's the fastest raid bosser bar none
wind token
not raid
real oracle
but they're so fucking absurd to pull off
wind token
just regular bossing
i wouldnt say raids play a big part in bl2 (like, time wise, most of the time you will probably do something different than raids)
real oracle
it really isnt yeah
wind token
plus the gear you get there is not the part of "i NEED to get this"
is the interfacer nice? surely, am i a great character without still? definitely
same goes with stuff like blockade, norfleet, etc
but the stuff i'm doing to make boss kills fast (like flakker swap, bloodsplosion shenanigans, etc) is probably not something that somebody who doesnt know jackshit will do
so i can get if bossing is considered relatively difficult
tiny thorn
Yeah, idk wtf y'all are talking about.
wind token
what is confusing you?
real oracle
i remember watching temmmmy do the dragons on krieg
wind token
dragons is one of the raids i'm missing on krieg
real oracle
fucking 40 minute long fight and he died to incinerator at the end
wheat harbor
what shenanigans? that blood bath is procced by grenade/rocket splash and how di...
mainly knowing what type of splash everythign is
understanding impact and bonus splash stuff
wind token
i did most raids (with hp fix on though) but dragons and some else i miss
tiny thorn
what is confusing you?
I mean I know WHAT you're talking about..
I don't know the shenanigans or details of all the guns just listed. I just don't have that knowledge or XP.
real oracle
the dragons become infinitely easier with even a little bit of air control
wind token
mainly knowing what type of splash everythign is
understanding impact and bonus ...
i think that this plays a part in that yeah
real oracle
dexi, vermi?
wheat harbor
but krieg is overall fairly simple
get big launcher for initial kills
rock more reliable bonus splash gun for when BB is up
wheat harbor
the dragons become infinitely easier with even a little bit of air control
except when shock lock on beam
wind token
son of craw is also missing
wheat harbor
i hate that 2 raids have fucking lock on shock beams
wind token
yeah dragons, gee and vermi
wind token
but krieg is overall fairly simple
get big launcher for initial kills
rock more ...
which brings us back to "need knowledge"
wheat harbor
just managing bloodlust
that too ig
the whole vladof grenade is just logical
but people dont get that ig?
real oracle
except when shock lock on beam
and when it sometimes becomes permanent so you literally CANT win
real oracle
that too ig
the whole vladof grenade is just logical
but people dont get that ig...
well cuz fastball maybe
wheat harbor
which brings us back to "need knowledge"
yeah
wheat harbor
well cuz fastball maybe
true
people just rock fastball for everything
real oracle
and then use an infection or whatever instead
wheat harbor
and then dont have BL stacks
wind token
that too ig
the whole vladof grenade is just logical
but people dont get that ig...
i dont know if it is logical in the sense that you would immediately think of it if you dont have it in mind already
you may know these things where if you thought about it for a second you'd be like "oh yeah for sure" but if you dont explicitly think about it then you dont recognize it
things that you just need to have "heard about once" or at least "thought about once"
wheat harbor
i dont know if it is logical in the sense that you would immediately think of it...
basically
bloodlust stacks when dealing damage
doesnt matter what deals damage or how much
what can easily deal many ticks of damage over time
dots
what applies dots easily
vladof grenades
yes you have to think about it and look at what options you have
wind token
yeah and i think you need to think about stuff much more to see what works well together than on stuff like maya and axton
wheat harbor
im just saying like
if you think about it vladof grenades are a great solution
wind token
yeah
wheat harbor
you dont need to be told it because theres no complex interactions
they just deal lots of ticks of damage over time
wind token
the splash stuff is probably more complex yeah
wheat harbor
yeh
real oracle
tbh
wheat harbor
because that literally requires code/testing knowledge
real oracle
i think the leech and even moxxi grenade outclass vladof grenades except the pandemic
wheat harbor
yeah but vladofs are just easily accessible in a playthrough
youll see em around in drops or from vendors
wind token
isnt vladof just a singular grenade always?
wheat harbor
wdym?
wind token
not splitting into 9 grenades or something like pandemic and leech
wind token
well isnt it obvious that leech and pandemic outclass them?
wheat harbor
oh ofc
leaden stag
gotta confess I never used moxi nades
wind token
uhh 3 second fuse time apparently?
wheat harbor
gotta confess I never used moxi nades
theres literally 1
in wedding dlc
its so missable
wind token
i mean it's obviously x6 but im not sure if it outclasses
leaden stag
I was thinking about the tps one as well
real oracle
uhh 3 second fuse time apparently?
yeah, it does damage as it sticks to an enemy and heals you during it
wheat harbor
I was thinking about the tps one as well
isnt that thw same grenade
wheat harbor
yeah, it does damage as it sticks to an enemy and heals you during it
leech2
real oracle
not as good as the leech but you can throw it out before going bxr or whatever
wind token
...3 seconds
wheat harbor
but leach only heals from its dot ticks
leaden stag
slag transfusions>>
wind token
not as good as the leech but you can throw it out before going bxr or whatever
hmm yeah maybe
wind token
slag transfusions>>
we're talking about grenades that apply bloodlust constantly
wind token
we already were this far 
nocturne mist
jolly gale
its so missable
iirc it's from the one moxxi mission, patch adds it to the wedding dlc
nocturne mist
in wedding dlc
isnt kiss of death from that one mission in opertunity?
i thought it was from hell hath no fury or whatever its called
real oracle
yeah thats the main source
and also hyperius for some reason?
but patch makes it drop in wedding dlc
wheat harbor
isnt kiss of death from that one mission in opertunity?
honestly i had no idea
nocturne mist
thats its main drop without running the patch
i just found out today bc i did that sidequest for the first time because i wanted blackhole ðŸ˜
nocturne mist
only raid bosses im doing on gaige is the one really hard one i forgot his name hes in hammerlock dlc, dragons, craw(if you count him), haderax, and terramorphous
tawdry shell
funny kreigs fit on her as well
well kinda
nocturne mist
i didnt do torgue dlc or scarlets dlc
south hamlet
i love this game
tawdry shell
nocturne mist
dt keeps like
staying alive past his duration
then i cant use him again till i save quit
ive had to restart peak 3 times because of this bug
tall surge
And why is that bad
tawdry shell
reese witherspoon
leaden stag
jaw
torn nova
Wtf are you doing
tawdry shell
switch has cheat codes iirc
that's the kill code or something like that
something the devs forgot to take out
torn nova
Bruh really?
winged flower
Bruh really? <:zaneLUL:657339167503548431>
He insta re spawns too lmao it's a really easy seraph farm
You can also get the bee boomerang bitch ect from him within 20 mins
wheat harbor
is this modded?
yeah probably save edited in cause level
stats look fine so
probably a normal crossfire just low level
wind token
i love this game
man i really need to get one of these
like, i have a crossfire but just for the collection :(
tiny thorn
For Gaige, is this ok?
Idea is being able to swap between L. Anarchist, L. Cyro & L. Mech.
Should I take 1 out of Preshrunk & put it in Robot Rampage?
https://bl2skills.com/mechromancer.html#510150151151550011150550413050151010
wind token
ah gaige, no clue of that
tiny thorn
oh you meant me, didnt know who nipple was <:OMEGALUL:822280725729640450>
Do you preferred Nipple, keep it casual?
Or should I call you Mr. Salad?
wind token
you can just call me by my actual name, marino
swift forge
?
swift forge
if you're never between 250 and 300 stacks then yes
300 is a horrible number of stacks to have
tiny thorn
if you're never between 250 and 300 stacks then yes
Why is everybody mentioning staying at 200 or below
Why is 300 bad?
swift forge
you're too inaccurate to hit things, and relying on close enough doesn't do enough damage at 300
tiny thorn
Thank you Soly
swift forge
you either go full bore 400 and use only close enough, or you drop to 150-250 and actually hit what you shoot at
being at the 250-300 range means you're relying on discord to hit things at mid range
or shooting at the broad side of a barn
tiny thorn
K, this is what I got
swift forge
if you really want to have the 3rd preshrunk point, you can shift one from typecast iconoclast
tiny thorn
if you really want to have the 3rd preshrunk point, you can shift one from typec...
This will get me 250 max
swift forge
yeah, I mean if you really want to be able to go beyond 250
tiny thorn
yeah, I mean if you really want to be able to go beyond 250
But then I'd be using only shotguns basically and there wouldn't be any point in me putting anything in The Better Half..
Is that the route I should go?
That's more damage but this way I'm playing it safer & I'm able to be more versatile.
wind token
i dont know anything about gaige but often there's a specialization option and a generalist option
plus you dont need to stay on the same build forever
tiny thorn
i dont know anything about gaige but often there's a specialization option and a...
I'm a D&D optimizer in heart,
So I like to know what is commonly regardless as the most powerful option for a character or Class.
Then I like to see how to remain powerful, maybe add to it, and have some fun.
D&D has taught me to keep survivability in mind.
wind token
I'm a D&D optimizer in heart,
So I like to know what is commonly regardless as t...
well i dont know how it is with gaige but with krieg there's no best
since different builds excel at different stuff
swift forge
my experience is that if you're going from 250-300 there is actually a damage decrease from missing shots
unless you're using the fibber
prestacked fibber is probably numerically the "strongest" way to play Gaige as you can get kills on basically anything from across the map without aiming
but prestacking cuts into gameplay time and both prestacking and fibber spam are just not all that fun
wind token
fibber doesnt sound that bad but prestacking yeah
leaden stag
takes like 10-15 minutes if you have the right gear its a pretty lame excuse
wind token
although always using the same gun probably gets boring over tiem
wind token
takes like 10-15 minutes if you have the right gear its a pretty lame excuse
excuse? 
leaden stag
there are a bunch of weapons like twister, hail, hot mama that work on funny ammounts of stacks as well
you cant shoot randomly as much as with fibber but you can hit stuff
wheat harbor
prestacking is a waste of time
leaden stag
you do you but I still find it a crybaby excuse instead of just adapting to something simple
wheat harbor
fibber definitely kinda accels with high anarchy since close enough penalty only applies to 1 out of 9 bullets
wheat harbor
you do you but I still find it a crybaby excuse instead of just adapting to some...
its boring and a waste of time
wind token
prestacking is a waste of time
i dont like the message youre transporting with this
swift forge
its boring and a waste of time
so are peak runs 🥲
leaden stag
again it takes very little time with proper setup
wheat harbor
you can just get stacks in combat
wind token
i get what you mean but there'll always be implications that dont sound nice
swift forge
fibber definitely kinda accels with high anarchy since close enough penalty only...
I just can't get used to the hyperion reverse recoil screen shake with gaige
leaden stag
but keep complaining for mo reason I gusss
wheat harbor
again it takes very little time with proper setup
again
its boring and a waste of time
there no reason to do it
wheat harbor
I just can't get used to the hyperion reverse recoil screen shake with gaige
yeah its super annoying
leaden stag
yeah ok dont play gaige then if you have 0 reasoning skills
wheat harbor
yeah ok dont play gaige then if you have 0 reasoning skills
i main gaige
leaden stag
Ive already laid out all the arguments
wheat harbor
prestacking is boring and a waste of time
swift forge
there no reason to do it
I like starting peak with +200% damage from 150 stacks, but I would probably never prestack for anything other than peak and raids
wheat harbor
I like starting peak with +200% damage from 150 stacks, but I would probably nev...
pretty much
swift forge
again it takes very little time with proper setup
I have most (not all) of the setup, it's still boring =/
wheat harbor
people will prestack 400 stacks just to do anyhtijg in the game and its frustrating to see
leaden stag
if you think thats the only way to do it or even the fastest then yeah you are not time efficient at all
wheat harbor
if you think thats the only way to do it or even the fastest then yeah you are n...
whats faster?
you can literally just earn stacks while mobbing
kills give stacks too, not just reloads
swift forge
well I mean how are you prestacking faster than 1.6-1.8 reload jakobs, a Good tina com, and a deputy relic?
leaden stag
Pyro pete's bar has the most spawns if you dont activate the quest and just kill enemies fast
swift forge
I would love to shave ten seconds from my 2 minute prestacking for peak
leaden stag
then after the spawns are over just activate the quest
wheat harbor
Pyro pete's bar has the most spawns if you dont activate the quest and just kill...
so youre just
killing enemies?
you know you can do that in the actual activity
swift forge
Pyro pete's bar has the most spawns if you dont activate the quest and just kill...
ah yes, I, too, enjoy running past all the enemies in the beatdown to get to pete's bar.
wheat harbor
rather than waste time running over to the bar
leaden stag
Ive never used the box method
I'll say it in the most respectful way you are giving the most crybaby excuses to complain about a character
wheat harbor
my experience is that if you're going from 250-300 there is actually a damage *d...
also yeah
going over 200 you kinda start losing damage with a lot of guns
just depends on if weapons mitigate the close enough penalty
swift forge
also tbh I don't see how pointing norfleet/topneaa at your feet is all that much more interesting than pointing a shotgun at a box (or at marcus' target dummy). At least with the dummy I can read bad fanfiction chat in discord while stacking
wheat harbor
I'll say it in the most respectful way you are giving the most crybaby excuses t...
no one is complaining about gaige?
its saying prestacking is boring
because you dont need to do it
leaden stag
its a lot faster and you still get to play the game to an extent
swift forge
I'm 100% complaining about people who think prestacking to 400 is necessary
wheat harbor
yes
swift forge
its a lot faster and you still get to play the game to an extent
which, to be clear, I don't think is you
wheat harbor
same as saying pimperhab is lame and boring doesnt mean youre saying sal entirely is lame and boring
swift forge
I just see people saying "gaige sucks have to stack to 400 before playing the game" a lot and it really annoys me
wheat harbor
I just see people saying "gaige sucks have to stack to 400 before playing the ga...
yeah
its frustrating
leaden stag
Part of my fun with gaige is that she is my tryhard character
wheat harbor
people think gauge sucks because you have to prestack 400 stacks every time
when its complete overkill
leaden stag
I grow stacks while playing normally and if I loose them I rage quit
if I dont feel like regaining them
at worst no stacks means I might use the bee for mobbing
wheat harbor
there are a bunch of weapons like twister, hail, hot mama that work on funny amm...
also
hot mama sucks ass
swift forge
I just jump right back in when I lose my stacks, I don't care 😅
leaden stag
for a little while
wheat harbor
hail doesnt really interact with anarchy spread differently
its just splash isnt hurt by close enough
leaden stag
hot mama doesnt get affected too much even with 400-600 stacks
you just have to deal with the sway
wheat harbor
yeah
leaden stag
Only way I can play sniper gaige without wanting to shoot myself
swift forge
sway is shit to deal with though
leaden stag
besides big bosses
wheat harbor
just dont play sniper gaige
swift forge
Only way I can play sniper gaige without wanting to shoot myself
150 stacks discord sniper gaige
wheat harbor
she aint the sniper chuaracter
leaden stag
400-600 stacks sniper gaige with hot mama is my jam
swift forge
alternatively, Legendary Catalyst Chain Lightning Sniper Gaige 
wheat harbor
hot doodoo
tiny thorn
but prestacking cuts into gameplay time and both prestacking and fibber spam are...
I've been getting 100+ stacks just from playing for 10 minutes.
leaden stag
its like critical ascension with sway
if you dont get murdered you can in theory do the box method against bosses
but I generally just run through maps
or if I really want the fast stacks for killing bosses or digistruct peak I bully pete bar
I dont wanna shoot a box unless its with a macro
swift forge
how the hell did we manage to get three sane gaige players in the same room
tiny thorn
i main gaige
What do you think of this then?
#bl1-2-tps-media message
swift forge
I dont wanna shoot a box unless its with a macro
sometimes I set up my controller juuuust so, then go to the bathroom while it stacks
swift forge
What do you think of this then?
https://discord.com/channels/132671445376565248/...
I just realised you have buck up instead of upshot robot. Please change that.
wheat harbor
K, this is what I got
should grab upshot robot but yeh
id suggest upshot over buckup
swift forge
All good gaige builds will look about 90% the same no matter what
wheat harbor
cause buckup is wonky and sometimes dt lassrs you or buck ups an enemy
swift forge
you have that 90% so you're fine
wheat harbor
All good gaige builds will look about 90% the same no matter what
all builds look pretty samey
swift forge
thoughtlock maya looks different from scorn maya
wheat harbor
sal ironically having some of the biggest differences
swift forge
also sniper vs melee zero ig
wheat harbor
thoughtlock maya looks different from scorn maya
its like
the same
leaden stag
I havent used scorn in like 4 years
wheat harbor
also sniper vs melee zero ig
yeah i wasnt really counting the difference with melee vs gun cause its forced differences
swift forge
true
wheat harbor
but any gun using build is basically the same
swift forge
scorn feels so good, I respecced the moment I had 52 skill points to get both scorn and ruin at the same time. Dropped converge for it. Totally worth
leaden stag
also never really used the phaselock alter skill
wheat harbor
changing out a com isnt really a different build
sal builds vastly different depending on deputy or hoarder
swift forge
turns out skill distribution is "put points in good skills, don't put points in bad skills"
wheat harbor
turns out skill distribution is "put points in good skills, don't put points in ...
yes!!
swift forge
since there are generally enough points to get all the good skills now, you just get all of them instead of needing to choose
wheat harbor
when most skills are just passive stat boosts that are good on every weapon
turns out it doesnt matter
sal mainly comes down to moneyshot or no moneyshot
because gun go brrr is so anti moneyshot
tiny thorn
@wheat harbor
Ok, so now I can stack 300 but I took one out of Robot Rampage.
leaden stag
Sal players stop thinking the moment they get a moxxi weapon
wheat harbor
gun krieg is kinda just gun krieg
swift forge
Sal players stop thinking the moment they get a moxxi weapon
I mean, so would I
wheat harbor
Sal players stop thinking the moment they get a moxxi weapon
moxxi-less sal is goated
swift forge
slag moxxi weapon + dps gun is just kinda good
wheat harbor
double butchers go brrrrrr
tiny thorn
Is it fine to not pick up Robot Rampage?
wheat harbor
yeh
swift forge
on pc yes
swift forge
please never avoid that point on console though lmao, dt is so cracked on console
my lyuda farm was just show up, summon dt, slag mobley and gettle
tiny thorn
Why on PC?
swift forge
sometimes I wouldn't even end the farm with a single anarchy stack
dt bugged on pc and does less damage
leaden stag
Id deduct points somewhere and make every 5th bullet fired at an enemy bounce off
tiny thorn
He can be built melee too tho.
You just never do that on PC?
tiny thorn
Id deduct points somewhere and make every 5th bullet fired at an enemy bounce of...
I'm mostly using shotguns and it goes off the pellets so I only need 1 point.
wheat harbor
dt bugged on pc and does less damage
not even bugged just
completely different health and damage formulas
leaden stag
The only useful thing DT has done for me was the shield exploit someone on my friendlist told me about
swift forge
not even bugged just
completely different health and damage formulas
this freakin' game, man