bl1-2-tps-media

[tawdry shell]

did ucp ever add fire drill as an actual drop or am i getting it confused with a separate mod

[wheat harbor]

yeah the stats are identical with a purple
its just
rainbow

[torn lodge]

its not a actual drop

[wheat harbor]

didnt, fire drop is broken and normally wont save in vanilla

[tawdry shell]

i know

[torn lodge]

if it was it wouldn’t delete from my inventory each time

😪

[wheat harbor]

no lmao

that has nothing to do with it

you can make the fire drill drop
itll still get deleted

[torn lodge]

eh idk i just create the modded saves and use em ion really look to deep into it

[tawdry shell]

wasn’t it just meant for testing hadderax stuff

[wheat harbor]

something like that

[real oracle]

you see i saw an arachnica video and the amara damage thing featured looked really cool

and then when i tried it looked like shit

[wheat harbor]

ive given sen a lot of shit for it with the bl3 docs

i think its just horrible

and makes the formulas SO much harder to read

[real oracle]

i think it makes more sense for bl3 because i can look at it just fine

[wheat harbor]

just like

Impact Damage
Card Damage * (1 + Weapon Damage)
Splash Damage
Card Damage * Splash% * (1 + Weapon Damage) * (1 + Grenade Damage)

anyway imma eep

[real oracle]

i fuckin guarantee thats gonna be more confusing to bl2 players than just listing everything

[wheat harbor]

fuck em

[real oracle]

and i know you're right is the thing

[torn lodge]

that is

[real oracle]

i hated putting this thing in but i know if i dont, it wont work

only reason i did this was cuz someone asked me how everything works

and i was like "gimme a bit"

[torn lodge]

and by a bit

3 years later you told him

[real oracle]

no this was a few days ago, when he asked about a damage formula

[torn lodge]

ahh lol

[real oracle]

specifically one that lists everything but it was in the context of sal

[torn lodge]

everything everything?

[real oracle]

yes, offhand attributes too

[torn lodge]

and you was like sure i aint got nothing better to do

[real oracle]

as of now? yeah

tho honestly i dont wanna do it so i asked the old regs who wrote the docs with me if they want to do it and no one cared so i probably just wont

might leave only the axton one like that

[torn lodge]

you already did enough anyways

[real oracle]

yeah true im already tryin to do modding stuff 💀

i rushed my part rebalances and im not even done

[torn lodge]

oh god

[torn lodge]

funkotron9000

[real oracle]

well by doing something that bypasses the check smh

[torn lodge]

idk even know how i did it

[real oracle]

the one time i played online ive seen people have a quest turn in that has shit like that

[torn lodge]

that was it

the quest gave me them

but last time i used this save it didnt work

[real oracle]

figures

idk how they make the quest do that

[torn lodge]

frr

i just looked up xbox 360 save and transferred it into a switch save

[real oracle]

i can uh

[torn lodge]

cause i remembered those didnt put it in your inventory

[real oracle]

well i play on pc so i have a small advantage

[torn lodge]

just a small

advantage

my laptop was bearly good enough to mod my switch

😭

[torn lodge]

you should learn lowkey

[real oracle]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/288382606288879629/1255012607715184660/image.png?ex=667ce692&is=667b9512&hm=0e59cb97941001a4d7a70f42f6c5e19e78da2a3755b7d3d822829f14b369a020&

a lil bit

[real oracle]

heres the thing tho

all of those items are using things that exist in the game

[torn lodge]

damn you really can control everything or is that your breakdown version?

[real oracle]

so there are no new effects

[real oracle]

no zeta is a better modder than me

[torn lodge]

doesn’t mean you cant learn to be better

[real oracle]

she knows more how the game works than i do

[real oracle]

yeah but i dont feel like it smh

[torn lodge]

true but they op and fun

[real oracle]

see my favorite part about playing on pc is #bl1-2-tps-media message

[torn lodge]

what is that😭

[wide fog]

STOP SHOWING PEOPLE THIS

a short story

[real oracle]

it's too good

tho this is p peak

[torn lodge]

that’s a W mod

[wide fog]

no it’s not, shame on funkzone

[wide fog]

LMFAOOAOA

[wide fog]

granted, it’s my second favourite mod i’ve played behind snowbound

[real oracle]

bones said he might start naming shitty test versions of his mods after testers

wonder how he got that idea

[torn lodge]

i mean the mod that shows

like what kinda barrel it is

and stock etc

[real oracle]

part notifier?

[vocal scroll]

merging is patched on console right?

[wide fog]

unbound and unbzone on their way to ruin my day

[wide fog]

yes

[zinc gyro]

Second story kill of the playthrough, second story sham, 3rd one XD

welp, better absorb change (84% XD) and more than tripple the capacity of my old on

[torn lodge]

thats the same one i got yesterday my first time killing bunker on a new character

[zinc gyro]

lol, my first sham of this game was a 89% absorb, or smth like that

[torn lodge]

89% is crazyy

[zinc gyro]

the second on i got (from marcus DLC chest) was a 77% absorb

[zinc gyro]

i got a 94 sham already

i farmed a bit the marcus chest, too bad it was lvl 72 and since now i have FFS, my cap is 80 op 10, so i'm losing so freaking much capacity, it's sad

[torn lodge]

that sucks

[zinc gyro]

i'm that close to "make it" op10, but i don't really care because this shield have a low charge anyway, the only thing i'm looking really is absorb chance

i'm just superweak to mele/unconvotionnals attacks and projectiles

[opal ingot]

you never really need the sham if you want an absorb shield

[zinc gyro]

tell that to the norfleet 💀

[opal ingot]

like
the sponge is way better than the sham

[zinc gyro]

i know the sponge is theoricaly better, but for heavy launchers/Etech launcher you need as close as 94% absorb, else you die

[opal ingot]

eh
not really

[zinc gyro]

i don't to have 50% to die

i prefer having only 6%

it's healthier 💀

welp most of the time i don't run a launcher salv, i prefer a rough rider build with the grog

[sullen girder]

You do know theres a splash radius that only does like. 1 damage to the player but still works on absorb shields. Right?

If you're shooting Norfleet at your damn feet thats a whole other issue

[real oracle]

i dont think it even does damage to the player

[zinc gyro]

Everytime my shield fails to absorb, even if i'm away of the explosion, i instantly die, idk if i'm not supposed to, but i have litteraly a 6% chance to die if i'm in range

[real oracle]

etech launchers shouldnt damage you even if you're inside the damage radius

the explosion can but it is way smaller

[tidal obsidian]

Miss Moxxi Roksalt

And is an smg

[viscid mortar]

guys I know this might sound crazy but I think a tiny amount of modding is present in this image

[torn lodge]

nah

not even word is bond

[real oracle]

he didnt drop it

[torn lodge]

hmm something seems different i just cant put my finger on what it is

[real oracle]

i already found this thing in a vendor lmao

no the matching grip is no longer matching, i changed that

[real oracle]

HUGE 🔥

[zinc gyro]

hum, weird, i remeber blowing me up with the norfleet, ima try again

[zinc gyro]

oh god what is that

[tall surge]

you can if you shoot yourself in the foot

[real oracle]

yeah etech launchers have a normal explosion for 1.0 damage

and then an extra damage radius that doesnt kill you for 0.4

tho the norfleet has that at 0.5

[torn lodge]

bro

i just made a monster

[real oracle]

heh

lemme dig up something

[real oracle]

i should start working on launchers tbh

havent done much with projectiles

[torn lodge]

make your own crazy projectile

[real oracle]

that is really fucking hard to do but it's possible

i want to make the plaguebearer from bl3 kinda

but i think bones did smth similar

[torn lodge]

oo

i say go for it

[real oracle]

gonna have to steal code from bones cuz idk where to start smh

[trim hinge]

he did it yeah

it was very op when I used it

[real oracle]

he did it outright or smth very similar

i know bones made a launcher that milk showed in a video

didnt know he worked with that many bpd's

[nocturne mist]

my mod is fine

its not broken or bugged i swear

[tiny thorn]

@real oracle, @nocturne mist & @torpid temple
Here is my Zer0 build.
IDK if the website was being weird,
But I feel like this is easier.

[nocturne mist]

lowk i might have to try it out

[real oracle]

tbh precision might be more worth than velocity

[nocturne mist]

it seems fun

im not a zero player though

[tiny thorn]

I was wondering this.
I'm kinda 50/50 with sights vs. hip.

Like, in how often I use each.

[torpid temple]

You should always ads

[real oracle]

shit take

[tiny thorn]

I am ALWAYS moving

[torpid temple]

Especially with spread guns

[real oracle]

bl2 has awful hipfire stats

[tiny thorn]

Like Apex Legends type shiz

[real oracle]

like it's so bad vs the rest of the series

[torpid temple]

I had a brain fart

Lol

[nocturne mist]

why adc it doesnt matter anyways

[real oracle]

very few guns dont care about aiming

[torpid temple]

Way better accuracy and spread with ads, the difference is night and day

[tiny thorn]

Ok, so I'll swap Velocity for Kill Confirmed?

[nocturne mist]

true but why need to aim when you arent far away from them

[real oracle]

nah

[tiny thorn]

K

[real oracle]

kill confirmed has you ads for too long

precision is also boostable with a sniper com

remember

[tiny thorn]

I only snap fire aim down sights really

[real oracle]

precision is SPREAD not accuracy

[torpid temple]

Better spread means more pellets on target, even up close

[real oracle]

completely different things

[tiny thorn]

And even then I have a revolver and a sniper

[real oracle]

actually let me check that

[torpid temple]

Crit spots are pretty small, you want as little spread as possible

[tiny thorn]

This is what I heard.
I have 1 invested now for the +2 COM.
But I don't plan on keeping it.

[real oracle]

this game sucks and makes a very annoying distinction between spread and accuracy without ever actually mentioning it

it never tells you the actual accuracy of a gun

only the spread but remapped as "accuracy"

[tiny thorn]

I think this build is going to be really fun in UVHM

[real oracle]

oh shit

precision might be kinda cracked actually

[tiny thorn]

I plan on having guns all completed.
Then going for melee last.

Or should I start jumping into melee now?
Or reload speed?

[real oracle]

but yeah this is stupid

accuracy and spread have nothing to do with each other

[torpid temple]

Blue tree should be focused on for kunai

[tiny thorn]

Bro, I'm stupid.
I don't read code.
I can barely mod STALKER.

[real oracle]

the accuracy on weapon cards maps 0-12.5 to 100-0

instead of just telling you the fucking spread value

[tiny thorn]

And I eventually broke my STALKER save..

[wheat harbor]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/916282328832147476/1255759657323073586/Untitled.mov?ex=667e4cd1&is=667cfb51&hm=7800b0786bdfeb78002f8dba62cfd643cc6dd99c4ff78f1b50e5bbe953344ca3&

athena's shield is so cool

[tidal obsidian]

Congrats. Now you have

THE SHIELD GUN

[wheat harbor]

oh i wasnt even talking about that

[languid patio]

Whats the percentage for the Bee Shield drop again,,,

Nvm got it

[opal ingot]

bee on sal lol

[lofty flame]

thats certainly a set up

one of them

[torn lodge]

@real oracle

your pretty smart

i found some crazy kind of weapons for borderlands 2

kinda like the borderlands 3

modded melee weapons you could

equip

ill show you in a bit

you tell me what it is

[real oracle]

bl3 doesnt have melee weapons

that's WL

[torn lodge]

yes

on my xbox i had a modded save with not working melee’s but u could equip them

and it showed your character like holding it

like bricks hammer u could have

[tawdry shell]

do you have a screenshot

cause that’s the type of thing that like, doesn’t sound physically possible on console

[real oracle]

and also this isnt the kind of modding im concerned with

[real oracle]

wtf did you do

also do u know how to make a projectile be a fish

[lofty flame]

iirc thats the projectile randomizer mod

[torn lodge]

for borderlands 3

or borderlands 2

[real oracle]

zetter do u know how to also make a grenade kinda bouncy but not like rubberized, almost like a fastball

wait that's just the elasticity setting nvm

[torn lodge]

yeah ik u doing that full on weapon modding stuff

but i thought it was cool

[nova path]

this might be goated

I'm level 30 atm

[real oracle]

what the fuck

[nova path]

not to mention I got 2 of them in the same wepin box

[real oracle]

hows it look in first person i dont remember how the body looks from this angle

[nova path]

I can't use it yet

[real oracle]

oh

[nova path]

this is the other one I got in the same crate

[torn lodge]

@tawdry shell

[opal ingot]

that's just a rapier tho

[torn lodge]

which u cant get in regular borderlands 2 on switch

[opal ingot]

why

[torn lodge]

cause it doesn’t just drop

[real oracle]

it's perfectly in the game, so

[torn lodge]

yeah but yall are used to that yall are pc users yall can get whatever yall want

[opal ingot]

?

[real oracle]

not exactly

[torn lodge]

i mean

you can if u create the mod yourself

for whatever you wanted

[real oracle]

no as in there are still limitations smh

[torn lodge]

yeah but a lot less than a switch user limitations

[real oracle]

actually this reminds me of like, #bl1-2-tps-media message

wild find

[tropic gale]

How are you supposed to tell what parts are on the bee

I'm looking at bl2.parts and I just cannot tell

[wheat harbor]

always torgue on the left
top is bandit
bottom is torgue

[real oracle]

bandit and torgue

[wheat harbor]

you can right click on the images to open them in a new tab to see them much larger

as the images are actually quite large

[tropic gale]

Oh ok I'm only looking at the very top

[wheat harbor]

bl2 part just shrinks them to fit in the table

[tropic gale]

left and bottom are always torque for bee right? or is it just left

[wheat harbor]

just left

[trim hinge]

left

ur bee is very bad

[tropic gale]

I tend to use bad things

I used a level 50 pimp my entire uvhm run lol

[wheat harbor]

also dont ask me why the hyperion accessory has like this weird pangolin looking part inside it

[trim hinge]

and by very bad I mean 1 part off the worst

[tropic gale]

Wait how many parts are there on the bee

or shields in general

[wheat harbor]

3

well 3 variable parts

the accessory is fixed

[trim hinge]

only one shield has 4 variable parts

[wheat harbor]

im just saying the hyperion accessory looks like it has some pangolin part inside it

[trim hinge]

which is the hide of terra

[tropic gale]

ok and you want maliwan as much as possible on the bee right? that's what im seeing on reddit

[wheat harbor]

but still always the same mesh

[wheat harbor]

yup

[tropic gale]

alrighty thanks yall 🫡

[trim hinge]

YEP

so you have no idea what it is

[tropic gale]

Holy cow my game loves the bandit capacity 💀

myb. Anshin

[wheat harbor]

unfortunately anshin kinda terrible for the bee despite the special boost

[tropic gale]

are there any 2nd place parts? in case I need a million for maliwan to drop and give up?

[wheat harbor]

hyperion good

[trim hinge]

tediore

[wheat harbor]

oh yeah tediore

cause with the bee you want high special for more amp
and for it to recharge quick

so negative capacity is good

[tropic gale]

Is a lack of the thing on top = maliwan?

[trim hinge]

maliwan or torque depending on the resistance

if it's explosive it's torgue

if it's anything else it's maliwan

[tropic gale]

Oh I see

lack of left thing which is usually the on top thing

I know it's not ideal but out of boredom I'm settling for this

[cunning sable]

Bee can't get hyperion parts

So the parts it can with positive special parts are anshin, tediore and maliwan

[wheat harbor]

ah

i never remember what parts a shield can get lol

[cunning sable]

You never noticed a bee without hyperion ever?

[wheat harbor]

and i just wont

[wheat harbor]

you think ive farmed for a bee

[cunning sable]

Yes
A bee irl

[wheat harbor]

you think i farm for items in general

[cunning sable]

You hold the small insect in you4 hands and your like "ah not a queen farm again"

Wouldn't matter anyway because im pretty sure a double hyperion bee would be theoretically better then double maliwan

[wheat harbor]

ig depends?

maliwan still has more damage so more raw bossing power

gaige can still instarefill on kill

[cunning sable]

I mean if i remember right its still the second highest special boost and i think hyperion parts specialize in
What, recharge rate?

That thing would be up constantly

[trim hinge]

pretty sure they have the fastest delay

[wheat harbor]

second highest special, highest delay, but negative rate and cap

[trim hinge]

yuh

[cunning sable]

Ok, delay
Thought that was tediore

[wheat harbor]

itll have a higher cap than maliwawn, and a lower rate

[trim hinge]

+8 hyp +7 Dahl and +4 tediore

[wheat harbor]

but way less delay

[trim hinge]

for delay

iunno why Dahl has a faster delay than tediore

doesn't make sense

[cunning sable]

Yes

Still, a hyperion parted bee would be
Pretty good

Funny then since its a hyperion sheild

[lunar hound]

Isnt dahls gimmick like boosters

[real oracle]

yeah

[torn lodge]

my character broken her arm

[nova path]

I managed to get this from farming the gift shop for like 30 minutes

I got like 2 of them in one run

and I don't have a screenshot if it but I have a masher that is 174x7 that I got aswell randomly

[swift forge]

👀

[tiny thorn]

@swift forge

This is what I just picked up

And this is what I've been running

Wondering what's better

[swift forge]

it's a conf call at level 23, it's better than basically literally any other gun you could have

have you tried shooting it?

because it's not actually a x5 gun

more like x15

you'll be using that gun until like level 33 easily

[tiny thorn]

Yeah.
I'm able to kill from further away with it. But it takes like double or triple the shots of the Handy Quad.

[cunning sable]

That sniper sucks
The slag one

[swift forge]

quad consumes 4 pellets per shot

and needs to reload every time you fire

[tiny thorn]

Ok, I heard Slagging an enemy with a sniper and then running in with a shotgun was a solid Zer0 strategy. But the Sloth has been nice.

[swift forge]

so its fire rate is basically 0.4

[swift forge]

you're at nvhm, slag pretty much shouldn't be on your radar at all right now

just murder things normally

[cunning sable]

You only slag with a sniper if its sniper zero

Even then you dont use a Hyperion, Hyperion snipers blow so hard

[tiny thorn]

@cunning sable
Is this sniper better than the Sloth above?

[swift forge]

no

[tiny thorn]

And looking at these shotguns

[swift forge]

please never use hyperion snipers ever

when in doubt, the conference call always wins

[tiny thorn]

Ok cool cool, those are the conclusions I thought

[tall surge]

Morning star is good

both Morning Sar and Sloth are good

just try them out and see which one you prefer

[swift forge]

what does morningstar do that redeems it from the garbageness of hyperion snipers

[tall surge]

lots of crit

[tiny thorn]

Fuck, I sold it already

[real oracle]

not worth on zer0

he already does that

[real oracle]

if you arent getting a split on the enemies, a purple thinking is better than the conference call

[tiny thorn]

A split?

[real oracle]

do you not know how the conference call works

[mossy perch]

is anybody able to help get me to op 10

[tiny thorn]

Bro, I just started playing this like a week ago

I'm trying to learn the depth of the game

[real oracle]

shoot the conference call and you'll see what i mean, simple as

[tiny thorn]

I done been shooting it.
It just goes "pew pew pew pew"...

Whachyu talkin' 'bout?

[swift forge]

did you take it to marcus' range to shoot the target

[tiny thorn]

Nah, Marcus & I ain't cool like that

[swift forge]

try that

[tiny thorn]

Oooook

[swift forge]

there's a reason we're all saying that the CC is bonkers

[tiny thorn]

Yeah, & I'm lucky I got it with Crit!

[real oracle]

if you are not consistently getting the spacing right for the pellets to T off into the enemy's head, then a non unique shotgun is better

cuz the conference call has those side pellets

it's not really a huge difference but

the CC is something that rewards you for keeping some distance

and it has the accuracy to do so but somehow less than a thinking

[tiny thorn]

Ah, ok. So you can headshot enemies next to your target?

[real oracle]

yes but ideally you want it to split inside their hitbox

because the initial bullets can pass through enemies, so they can spawn the side pellets inside them

[tiny thorn]

Can you elaborate?
I'm a casual game who like to try to somewhat be within Meta.

[real oracle]

shoot the sky lmao

the conference calls pellets dont get deleted when they hit an enemy they keep going, so that means it can actually spawn the extra pellets inside their head for a crit

this is why the gun is so powerful

[opal ingot]

what's an insde

[real oracle]

wouldnt you like to know

[opal ingot]

ayo inside like
insider reference???

[real oracle]

i have seen so many of those things and not once have i shot it

[opal ingot]

L

[real oracle]

oh nevermind this thing yeah i used it

[opal ingot]

based

[real oracle]

i use the convergence still but

[celest perch]

2nd kyros power cyclops hybrid 👍

[fallow hearth]

I doubled checked. Turns out I do have a save from B1… both versions but…. WAT?? Where my loyalty rewards at. (Playing on a steam deck)

[tawdry shell]

yeah castle crahsers is pretty cool

[opal ingot]

nah
contro carro

[real oracle]

@dusty glen

and then make sure there isnt another SanitySaver folder inside this sanity saver folder

it should not be nested

just immediately the content of the mod

[dusty glen]

okay

alr so now do i just reopen my game?

[real oracle]

yeah

[dusty glen]

okay

[real oracle]

u prob wanna set the settings to have autoenable true

[dusty glen]

i have no clue how to do that but im assuming its in the mod section in the game

[real oracle]

no its in the actual file

after that just make sure the mod is on in the mod menu in game and ur good

[dusty glen]

yeah ive got a few issues I think

that file isnt here unless im blind

and its not in here

[real oracle]

how did you install it

[real oracle]

ok so, u extracted the zip file and threw it in mods yeah?

[dusty glen]

yeah

OHHHHH

IM AN IDIOT

I PUT IT IN WIN 32 NOT MODS

okay now i put it in mods

I still dont have that settings thing though

[real oracle]

should just be there, show what you got inside the file when u downlaod it

[dusty glen]

then the folder with all the other stuff

this stuff

[real oracle]

why tf is it missing

[dusty glen]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[real oracle]

whats the actual path it's in

this shit

[dusty glen]

i dont even see that shit

wtf

hold up can i share my screen to you in dms?

it would prob be easier

[real oracle]

ok i just downloaded the file and it just doesnt have it

prob a new version

[dusty glen]

oh

[real oracle]

that or it gets created when u properly start the mod

[dusty glen]

hm

should i try that?

[real oracle]

idk give it a shot

[dusty glen]

alr im loading the game rn

okay so the folder still isnt in the games mod section

hold on im getting so confused

[real oracle]

and your directory isnt looking like Sanity Saver > Sanity Saver > stuff?

[dusty glen]

add me as a friend real quick

you can unadd me after idgaf

[covert token]

First useful purple quad I ever found

[bold spindle]

BTW, it comes with auto-enable activated normally.

And caches and settings are generated post launch.

[jade topaz]

How tf

[heady marten]

Dang that's a good find. Too bad the transfusion projectiles don't synergize well with the distance needed to make use of the zoom power. Still, if you can quick aim well, you can make good use of it cause it still gets bonus bullet speed if I remember.

That DLC was the best hands down

[nocturne mist]

erm?

[mossy perch]

can someone help me get to op 10 or does anybody have modded weapons

[serene escarp]

@mossy perch If you plan to play, boost, or trade with someone, please read #find-groups-and-trade to get set up! This channel has all the information you'll need about our LFG channels!
Getting started is as simple as assigning yourself a platform role in id:customize! Enjoy yourselves Vault Hunters!

[short viper]

Anyone got some modded stuff or skill points and money for a modded character to boost my homies

[zinc gyro]

The bunker dropped me 2 of the same weapon, what are the odds?

[wheat harbor]

almost identical too

[zinc gyro]

they are identical

[wheat harbor]

theyre not
different grip

[zinc gyro]

oh wait one have a different foregrip

oh damm, sad

[opal ingot]

*different grip

[zinc gyro]

whut?

those weapon have both bandit grip

it's the underbarrel thingy (foregrip) that changed

[opal ingot]

no
that's the GRIP
they both have bandit STOCK

[zinc gyro]

i'm not dumb ya know, but i'm kinda weirded out because for me the grip is where the trigger is located

[wheat harbor]

yeah its just
the grip part is the foregrip

[zinc gyro]

weird, on all of the other weapons the grip is, well the grip and not a foregrip

i assume the stock is fused with the visual grip, since the actual part is under the barrel

i wonder why they did that instead of doing like pistols and making the gun unable to have a stock

[wheat harbor]

yup

[zinc gyro]

neat, i wasn't able to find this chart for shotguns somehow, google kept showing me charts for smg or snipers (yea those are totaly "shotguns"

[wheat harbor]

https://bl2.parts/

[stiff palm]

Anyone can help me with crewmerex?

[verbal lava]

no

[real oracle]

hm

idk if that's a lot

wait why is it called fleet

shit build

[real oracle]

ez

i need to nerf shotgun chucks lmao

[tiny thorn]

@real oracle
Will it eventually lock me out of these until I choose Shield Delay or Recharge or Grenade Damage?

[real oracle]

i dont use bar :)

just spam the wheel it doesnt matter

smh this is why guardian rank is better

[tiny thorn]

What's guardian rank?

[real oracle]

its like bar but cooler in bl3 cuz it caps out at 15%, but instead gives you perks

[wheat harbor]

caps out at 15% but is generally multiplicative so kinda whackadoodle

[leaden stag]

werent mobs corpses supposed to despawn on this area

[nocturne mist]

@swift forge this is the build for now im about to take points out of ranger in a sec when i get a chance to

[tiny thorn]

@rough galleon & @swift forge

This is what I prioritized for Zer0 Main.

[swift forge]

1 do or die, 3 steady

[rough galleon]

I see no prioritization LOL

its spread out

[swift forge]

Well you have our recommendations for the future

[jolly gale]

bar kinda naturally spreads out anyway

[tiny thorn]

I mean as far as avoiding 4 or so

[nocturne mist]

ohh ok steady is pretty good for me bc of badaboom and fast ball

ill respec wqhen i finish this mission up

does the build other than that seem pretty ok?

[swift forge]

Yeah

Well

I usually put just enough for do or die

[jolly gale]

I will say element effect chance is probably the lowest priority for everything

[swift forge]

So I'd move 3 points out

But which 3 points is dealer's choice since all the skills are quite good

[tiny thorn]

I can't reset these selections?

[real oracle]

@keen cipher peak

[nocturne mist]

this is peak maya gameplay

[keen cipher]

is this vanilla?

[trim hinge]

incredible skill

[trim hinge]

of course

[real oracle]

surely

making tediore chucks go off weapon damage and not base weapon damage was

certainly a choice

[keen cipher]

oh you made vm

[real oracle]

TWICE

speed com

[swift forge]

You can't, but the effects are minor overall so it's fine

[keen cipher]

let me make bearfists good in peace

[tiny thorn]

Is effect chance really that bad?

[jolly gale]

bar as a whole is pretty minor overall

[real oracle]

but also dots are just not that valuable

[verbal lava]

Unless you essentially cheat to make it not minimal, but at that point just play the game normally, it’s barely a needle mover

[tiny thorn]

Ok, haha. I'll just avoid the shield delay then

What about shield recharge?

[jolly gale]

and also isn't it multiplicative or you're only getting like not much

[real oracle]

wonder how fast i can kill pete if i build up enough speed with this gun

[swift forge]

imo recharge rate is weak, but like we've all been saying, BAR is really minor, please stop stressing about it beyond "don't take max HP and shield delay". You'll be happier for it.

[real oracle]

all shield buffs are weak

shield buffing stats are fucked

[swift forge]

If you're like me you can pick two other things to avoid like the plague

[tiny thorn]

I already took health

[swift forge]

yeah, I mean in the future

like, this is really minor and BAR is infinite

don't stress about it

[tiny thorn]

How so?

With different characters?

[swift forge]

you get BAR by completing challenges, right?

well different characters is one thing, but it turns out that if you complete a challenge so hard that it rolls over the integer limit, you can complete it again

[tiny thorn]

Yeah but is there a cap for a single character to gain BAR?

[swift forge]

nope

[tiny thorn]

Ok

[swift forge]

and, uh, it turns out that there is one specific challenge that is easy to roll over the integer limit over and over again

[tiny thorn]

What's that?

[swift forge]

so easy, in fact, that at max level you will open your inventory and randomly find multiple copies of the stupid character skin it awards

"Slag-Licked". Deal x points of bonus slag damage

[tiny thorn]

Oh, how do you cheese that?

[swift forge]

by playing the game normally at UVHM. I'm not kidding you. I open my inventory and randomly find I've overkilled it twice.

UVHM slag triples your damage instead of doubles, and late/endgame numbers are insanely overkill

[tiny thorn]

Bc you are always slagging at that point?

[swift forge]

and slag is nearly a requirement in uvhm yeah

I farm a few petes and find like six of the stupid things in inventory

so really, stop stressing, BAR rewards are minor and infinite

[tiny thorn]

I mean, eventually BAR has to do SOMETHING..
right?

[swift forge]

not that much

[real oracle]

[swift forge]

the reward number shrinks to +0.1% or something per point once it gets big enough

[tiny thorn]

How are you moving so fast?

[jolly gale]

iirc joltz has 4k hours in and is only +25% in each stat which is large but bar isn't necessary anyway

[real oracle]

because i made it smh, it's this gun's stacking effect

on top of a vanilla kill skill

[jolly gale]

funkorwad got the zoomies

[real oracle]

i wonder if i can kill him in one burst

[tiny thorn]

And the algorithm is pretty good at forcing you to go even?

[jolly gale]

yeah pretty much

[real oracle]

aight

[real oracle]

i should remove the second statement

just make skills have a "per shift stack" bonus

[tall surge]

What the fuck are you doing

[real oracle]

speeb

the only reason he survived that first burst was cuz i started too close, and lost my momentum

[opal ingot]

joltz has 8k hours with like 50% bar lmao

[mossy perch]

does anybody have an op 10 magic missle

[jolly gale]

still bad hour to bar ratio

[zinc gyro]

is there a limite of the BAR bonus? and how can i farm BAR? i'm getting it by simply replaying the game

[jolly gale]

theres technically no limit but diminishing returns means you probably wont get past 60% ever

[wheat harbor]

yeah cause its more and more rank for each level or somethin

but the actual bonus isnt capped

[jolly gale]

and you could technically farm it via the slaglicked challenge but farming bar is snoozefest and pointlessfest

[wheat harbor]

but ~~farming ~~bar is snoozefest and pointlessfest

[jolly gale]

TRUEEEEEEEEEEE

[wind token]

Jesus

[wide fog]

personally

i think having a funny amount of tokens is much funnier than having a huge bar

i had like a couple thousand tokens on xbox

[fiery nacelle]

Should I take of roll for a better one

[real oracle]

aight time to see if this even works

it didnt work

might have a way to fix this

[real oracle]

speed

sweet

man this is gonna take so many dummy attributes lmao

[wind token]

https://tenor.com/view/skill-issue-idk-man-skill-issue-idk-man-seems-like-a-gif-24725965

[real oracle]

true,,,

woo

eh i'll lower it to 10%

[brazen river]

Is there i benfit from doing digi struc peak before lv72?
Im currently 52

[real oracle]

no

[brazen river]

Thx

[real oracle]

sweet

[nocturne mist]

do you guys fw the current build for tvhm im planning on specing into resourseful so i can spam more nuke turrets

[torpid temple]

Looks pretty good. I'd move the points from ranger to expertise tho. And id make out preparation instead of healthy

[real oracle]

bruh the game crashed

[torpid temple]

Also nuke's damage drops off pretty badly through tvhm

I use it more for utility, since it can knock enemies around and stun them

[nocturne mist]

i only added points into ranger because the other things didnt seem to useful

[jolly gale]

healthy isn't really worth the points imo and it'd be better spent on pressure or expertise

[nocturne mist]

im using nuke right now because i know its unuseable in uvhm so i wanted to use it sooner than later

[torpid temple]

Swap speed is really useful

[nocturne mist]

where should i move the points from healthy?

[jolly gale]

expertise imo takes way way more priority over rangwr

[nocturne mist]

ohh you right ill go respec and share the updated build

id say my builds pretty okay for me making it

and not following any like guides

[jolly gale]

pressure or expertise imo

[torpid temple]

Not having swap speed hurts to play lol

[nocturne mist]

defo could be worse

[jolly gale]

yeah it's good overall Id say

[nocturne mist]

im gonna make it in loot lemon to show what im planning on building into

this is the planned build

idk what to do with the 4 points with quick charge and forebarence

[fiery nacelle]

Anyone able to boost me?

[nocturne mist]

#lfg-pc-bl2

[torpid temple]

Quickcharge is better

[jolly gale]

tbh I'd just go full into quick charge unless if you have a com that boosts forbearance

[nocturne mist]

ahh okay

ill go straight into quick charge

i only split it to show you guys i was unsure

[jolly gale]

and even then in bl2 it's generally best to either max out a skill or in rare cases, only put a single point in it

[nocturne mist]

but as soon as i hit uvhm im respecing into the slag turret

ill plan it out rn

this is what im planning on using as soon as i hit level 58 in uvhm

but im switching to the blue and green tree as soon as i hit uvhm and ill build into red tree as i progress

just realized i forgot to send the ss

[real oracle]

woo

[tawdry shell]

what’s the gimmick

[real oracle]

yknow the blade fury?

yeah it's basically just that

why tf doesnt it have a trail like the hail

[tawdry shell]

the what now

[real oracle]

bl3 gun

[tawdry shell]

oh neat

[real oracle]

why tf doesnt the bullet leave a trail i gave it the partsys from the hail

[cunning sable]

Its a jakobs ar that fires knives

They do gun AND melee damage

[nocturne mist]

nukes starting to fall off 😢

[round mango]

Can anyone put a modded cloud save onto my xbox please as mine isn't working and don't have a 360 anymore

[serene escarp]

@round mango If you plan to play, boost, or trade with someone, please read #find-groups-and-trade to get set up! This channel has all the information you'll need about our LFG channels!
Getting started is as simple as assigning yourself a platform role in id:customize! Enjoy yourselves Vault Hunters!

[royal veldt]

smth wrong with bro

[heady marten]

Looks like he's having the time of his life

[tiny thorn]

There's are the only DLC I don't have.
Should I get them?

[heady marten]

Definitely get the Fight For Sanctuary DLC cause that's going to be fun to play through

Also you get a cool gas mask head to collect just like you get heads with the other DLC's like Hammerlocks and Scarlets Booty

[tiny thorn]

I don't have any of the Headhunter stuff either

[heady marten]

Headhunter is okay. The Marcus's Mercenary day with the Snowman has great chests to farm at the end
Also if you get Moxxies Wedding Day massacre you get an easter egg where you can chase the bagman from the main story around and hit him for eridium and loot while he acts like a leprechaun

That's oddly specific I know, but it was funny as heck when I first saw it

[tiny thorn]

Ah yeah, I was told I'm missing some good stuff

[heady marten]

Overall, it adds more gameplay and anything you get that adds new missions, maps, etc is a good choice

Unless it's the specific skins which are sort of meh. I'd look up the skins before purchasing so you know for sure if you want it

[leaden stag]

trapping the leprechaun with a turret for that 4d chess feeling

[swift forge]

did someone @ me

[rough galleon]

Greysun did

[swift forge]

oh rip

[real oracle]

is he good

[real oracle]

@hollow jewel like so

when you install mods just do yourself a favor and make sure it isnt nested, it should just immediately look like

[hollow jewel]

The folder only has the init.py file inside

[real oracle]

thats normal

pycache and settings tend to appear after launching the game

just throw the folder into Mods

[hollow jewel]

So take that whole folder and put it in the mod folder? Not modmenu?

[real oracle]

yes

[hollow jewel]

OK and do that for all mods I want?

[real oracle]

all the sdk mods yes

[hollow jewel]

Backpack Manager was the first one I got. I'm using the same site I got PythonSDK from, so they usually would be SDK files?

[real oracle]

yep

u can see i have backpackmanager too lmao

[hollow jewel]

I was thinking of getting Apple's cheats, but I dunno. Lol 😆

That would make it too easy for me.

[real oracle]

apple singlehandedly carrying the entirety of bl modding on his back:

[hollow jewel]

Autopickup would be helpful.

[real oracle]

tps patch should already do that with moon runes or whatever

alongside just sorta
restoring a ton of cut shit

im surprised i dont actually have the tps patch

[hollow jewel]

Yea I was wondering y i could auto pickup money and ammo, but not the stones.

[real oracle]

instead i have my own...shit attempt at the clairvoyance

tbh i can probably make it properly now that im slightly better at projectiles

[hollow jewel]

The site has TPS Exodus and TPS SkinFix

[real oracle]

i have tps skinfix but i forgot what it does

exodus is an overhaul tho

ah

[hollow jewel]

Yea they don't have the patch

[real oracle]

ah yes i remember this

patch isnt sdk is why

it's one of those mods you exec that i brought up

[hollow jewel]

So I guess the auto pickup mod is the only way

[real oracle]

nah but it works

[hollow jewel]

So did I do it right?

[real oracle]

should be

[hollow jewel]

Game is restarting. Here's hoping it worked.

Auto pickup and the backpack one showed up in the mods, but not the Apple one

Even though u saw it was in there just like the other 2

[opal ingot]

does it say anything in the console about failing to import a mod

[hollow jewel]

I don't know how to read console errors

[real oracle]

is it nested, check the folder itself

cuz if you have AppleMod>AppleMod it wont work, i see this mistake quite often when people extract from a zip file

[opal ingot]

it'd literally say "failed to import mod: (insert mod name)"

[real oracle]

that or if apple's mod has any prerequisites but i dont think it does

ah

[hollow jewel]

I wouldn't know what a nested file would look like.

[real oracle]

just open the apple cheats folder

and make sure there isnt another apple cheats folder in it

[real oracle]

also apple cheats needs this

[hollow jewel]

Just a bunch of .py files.

[real oracle]

ok should be good, prob just missing userfeedback

[hollow jewel]

Which is kinda stupid if u ask me.

[real oracle]

@ apple1417

[hollow jewel]

Like I dunno unless I actually USED the mod to be able to give feedback on it!

[real oracle]

https://bl-sdk.github.io/mods/UserFeedback/

[hollow jewel]

Can't give user feedback on something I never got the chance to try out yet.

[real oracle]

cuz the cheat mod needs to read your inputs

userfeedback is the mod that does that

not as in reviews

[wheat harbor]

no thats not

[real oracle]

ive never really had complaints about apple's mods

except that one time sanity saver was like ???

[wheat harbor]

userfeedback is kinda funnily named

[hollow jewel]

And where does the user feedback folder go then?

[real oracle]

and he didnt really know what to say

[real oracle]

should just be another sdk mod

[wheat harbor]

yeah

installs like any other

[real oracle]

but then i updated sanity saver and it was all good

[hollow jewel]

So does it need to go in with these ones?

Or do I have to somehow add it to Apples file first before copying and pasting Apples cheat folder?

[real oracle]

no it just goes in mods

[hollow jewel]

So like this? And it should show Apples cheats in my mod list?

[real oracle]

hopefully

[hollow jewel]

🤞

Yay!

Now apparently from what I read, P is the way to open Apples cheat menu?

[real oracle]

you get to find the rest cuz i have never used it

but there should also be a modded keybindings tab in settings

[hollow jewel]

Yea I have my numpad keys set for the Apple cheat mods.

Now if I saved my game, and went to bed, would I have to re-enable the mods before continuing on when I wake up? Or will they stay enabled so I can continue playing without worry?

[real oracle]

should stay enabled

if not, guess what

there's a m-

[hollow jewel]

As it's like 2am where I live and despite being addictive, I need some sleep.

[hollow jewel]

A what? Lol 😆

[opal ingot]

a m-

[real oracle]

an unsupered m-

[opal ingot]

lmao

[hollow jewel]

I still don't understand.

[cunning sable]

Unexpected item in bagging area

[real oracle]

shut up

theres an autoenable mod

if a mod doesnt autoenable another mod makes it autoenable

[hollow jewel]

Is it some sort of mod that saves ur mods as enabled?

Ah. Lol

I didn't see it in that list so I didn't know if it was needed or not (just in case)

Anyways, thx for all the help, and have a great night/day/afternoon/evening wherever u all r!

[dire rock]

@rough galleon Liquid physics

It was draining down that crack and pooling up on the ice, pretty entertaining to watch

[rough galleon]

better liquid physics than skyrim
poggers

[nova path]

that does not look appealing, it looks modded lol

Found this guy tposing

[real oracle]

sweet

just need to make the other capstone

might have made converge just a bit powerful

we cookin

@tall surge

i might have made converge pseudo ignore op level dr

[tall surge]

amara ball reference

[real oracle]

yeah

[real oracle]

this might be real

why is it phaselock cooldown rate

[torpid temple]

"Something something passive" is very descriptive

[real oracle]

havent thought of anything so i'll uhh, it's planned™️

@tall surge truer words have never been spoken

[torpid temple]

Fax

[tall surge]

real...

[real oracle]

how the fuck does the masher have less spread what

[austere sierra]

Nailed it!

[real oracle]

bruh what

is this just meant to alert every fucking enemy

[tall surge]

sweet release reference

or whatever that maya skill is called

[real oracle]

yeah

[real oracle]

what the fuck

what happend to the card lmao

[tall surge]

Weapon Spread

[real oracle]

wonder if i can one shot pete

[tiny thorn]

@worthy apex

[worthy apex]

u can do that??

[tiny thorn]

What do you mean?

[worthy apex]

For bloodshed get the last skill before levelling the previous one to 4

[tiny thorn]

Yeah, every 5 points unlocks a new Tier no matter how you spend them.

[worthy apex]

Bruh ive beaten this game like 6 times and I never knew that

I really should like search stuff up

[tiny thorn]

Well, I think this Zer0 build is going to be solid.
I'm level 28 right now.

[worthy apex]

rn im doing full sniper cos I love the glass canon build

[dire rock]

Well it's not modded, good effort though!

[nova path]

damn fr? it just doesn't look like it fits, it looks like a weird model made in blender

[tawdry shell]

it’s from the PhysX setting

[dire rock]

It definitely could be, but nah it was from a Shuggarath

Oh yeah I forgot all my graphics shit is turned way up

[tawdry shell]

i’d recommend turning PhysX off

causes lots of crashing iirc

[dire rock]

Oh really? I've been playing again for the past couple days and I haven't encountered any issues

[tawdry shell]

that’s simply what i’ve heard

[dire rock]

Ah, if I do struggle with them I'll try that first then

[cunning sable]

From what i heard it also causes weird collision?

Stuff falling through the floor a.lot

[real oracle]

@wheat harbor

[wheat harbor]

amazing

[trim hinge]

truly incredible character

what the fuck is damage

[wheat harbor]

i like how the classmod will be like 90% of her damage

[real oracle]

fuck it im gonna put a foot note about amp damage specifically for the cat com

im tired of people talking about cat com beehawk as if the cat com makes the bee better

[leaden stag]

to bee or not to bee

[real oracle]

when it has the exact opposite effect of somewhat nullifying the bee cuz it's scale weapon damage

[wheat harbor]

does cat boost reaper

it does

[real oracle]

thas about it

[wheat harbor]

so cat does make bee better but not for the reason you think'

and it boossts while over 50% so it does kinda work well together

[real oracle]

no it does absolutely have peak damage but people act like the 140% damage affects the bee all the fucking time

[wheat harbor]

yea

[wide fog]

surely the bee is the best shield in the game right guys

[real oracle]

i think that's all maya has

[real oracle]

thanks relic very cool

zer0 trying not to be cracked as shit:

ignore that

[tall surge]

smh didnt mention that Deliverance gets the Decepti0n crit bonus

[real oracle]

poor melee relic lmao

[tall surge]

[wheat harbor]

wait its postadd

so its actually terrible

not even multiplying bladed weapons

[real oracle]

yeah

[real oracle]

zeta what u think

honestly i dont really know how to word it, i dont think it really needs a formula?

how would u call it?

final weapon damage? scaled weapon damage?

maybe write overkill/pellets and then use the

idk, it would be easier if u had access cuz idk how to make this intuitive

[real oracle]

is good

[wind token]

Didn't it boost wreck which was fire rate iirc?

[real oracle]

yeah which is a good point but i often see people talk about the 140% gun damage

cuz the legendary cat is still peak dps regardless

[wind token]

Yeah I was already saying its useless back in the day when I had no idea how shit worked

[real oracle]

man now i need to do gaige

honestly gaige's best math is electrical burn

[wind token]

Being ahead of my time 😎

[real oracle]

me when the fucking catalyst com is multiplicative to evil enchantress

[wind token]

Well reaper is a nice point too

Does it apply to amp?

[real oracle]

yes

[wind token]

Nice

[real oracle]

me when D_Attributes.DamageSourceModifiers.InstigatedStatusEffectDamageModifier and the individual DoT damage boosts are separate

and gaige has both on a single com

wait shit no they arent

damn

oh it's wdt

[vocal scroll]

here’s the shield

[wide fog]

it has a 2.88 delay ofc it’s coming back quick

and you’re level 12 idk why you’re worrying with melee so much

[rough galleon]

its called "crumy" for a reason

[vocal scroll]

i wanna do a melee build🙏

[wide fog]

wait until ur a higher level

idk what to tell you

melee zero doesn’t get good until you get MMF anyway

[vocal scroll]

what about sniper build zero then?

[real oracle]

fucking pitiful

[dire rock]

Honestly imo it's pretty useless trying to go for a build until around level 35-40

[vocal scroll]

i js wanna know what to put my points in and what will be more effective

[wheat harbor]

except anarchy is like 260%

[wheat harbor]

yeah i think that works
you should say nklok is divided by pellet count twice tho

[real oracle]

well

that's a lil bit misleading cuz that's the same with amp

unless i put asterisks on both and say flat damage gets that damage

[wheat harbor]

but people wont assume it for nklok

they think its an amp only thing

[real oracle]

hmmm mabe

[wheat harbor]

maybe be explicit and also say amp is divided by pellet count in every formula

[real oracle]

or maybe just put pellet count times card damage

[wheat harbor]

egh

[real oracle]

i hate nklok too

dw

why did they do this to it

yeah i'll just go back and put in the nklok section that it gets split across the pellets like amp

i also forgot the 4 times for the cap in the formula lmao

for krieg temmmmy can do it smh

actually nah

idk how bxb is actually calculated tho but ik it's very very strong

[wheat harbor]

i think just Weapon Base Damage * Gun Damage + Amp/PelletCount + NKLOK/PelletCount^2)

then just say NLOK is limited to 4 * (Weapon Base Damage * Gun Damage + Amp/PelletCount)

[real oracle]

eh ig i'll do that

or you can do it go ask temmmmy i turned my computer off

or just ask temmmmy to do it himself

[wheat harbor]

fun

ignore that i forgot the 4

[real oracle]

you forgot it too

yeah on the doc the 4 is missing

[wheat harbor]

there

[real oracle]

zeta uh

you do realize there's a min function?

[wheat harbor]

there is?

oh

[real oracle]

stupid

fuckin goofy ah piece wise

[wheat harbor]

hey it works!!

my brain always hates that you use min to give a max value and max to give a min value

[real oracle]

hey wait why did u forget the o/p

[wheat harbor]

fuck i did

fuck you

[real oracle]

hehe

[tall surge]

what do mean

[wheat harbor]

base damage of the weapon
weapon damage % boost
amp
pellet count
overkill damage
nklok calc
final damage

[wheat harbor]

huckleberry doesnt apply to offhand

[tall surge]

ah

[real oracle]

it doesnt? i was checking OE and i swear it did

zeta does this wording seem ok to you? i dont want it to be confused with scale weapon damage

why tf do all of sal's skills use an AID with skill grade instead of just the fucking per grade upgrade tuple

zeta is this not used?

[wheat harbor]

the offhand skill just
doesnt activate

no clue why

[real oracle]

ah i see

[wheat harbor]

and UCP fixed it in the stupidest way
made it so both hands gun gun damage if the right hand holds a pistol

incredible job

(UCP team really didnt know how a lot of this stuff worked)

[wheat harbor]

ah does no amp apply to offhand in vanilla?

[real oracle]

....amp stacking exists but

i did NOT want to bring that shit up

[wheat harbor]

sounds good

[wheat harbor]

no thats fair

[woven mist]

Hey

[real oracle]

like actually what the fuck causes it

[woven mist]

Hey what’s the best way to farm seraph crystals on sal rn I’m just farming Pete with a deputy build

[real oracle]

should be good

pete should be p fast if you get some nklok on the spiderants and expose his crit

oh

bruhhhh

fucking non uniques do have offhand amp

i hate this game

[wheat harbor]

yeah something about it like doing the same bonus over and over causes it to get confused

its weird

[woven mist]

Yea i got bored so i offhanded the trespasser and killed his health without touching his shield

[real oracle]

smh

ok but why does it do the thing is whats bothering me

[woven mist]

Idk it’s op though

[wheat harbor]

no clue really

[woven mist]

Hey guys what is the luckiest thing that’s ever happened to you in bl2