so yea pretty shit
#bl1-2-tps-media
south hamlet
south hamlet
*or quest reward farming*
yea neither me
it's boring as hell
at least on normal farming you can do something
peak ether
Normal farming isn't much better
south hamlet
Normal farming isn't much better
i mean i like it
peak ether
there isn't anything entertaining about killing Savage Lee for an hour
he's just a normal psycho
south hamlet
there isn't anything entertaining about killing Savage Lee for an hour
but at least it's not as bad as walking 3 meters and pressing a button for god knows how much
tall surge
https://bl2.parts/smgs/ use thsi website
peak ether
I said smth earlier about preferring Bl2's parts over 3's but now that I think about it 3's might be better
peak ether
but at least it's not as bad as walking 3 meters and pressing a button for god k...
to me there's no difference
wheat harbor
no?
theres no consistency between part bonuses across weapon types
rules like X is generally best doesnt work
south hamlet
but at least it's not as bad as walking 3 meters and pressing a button for god k...
but that's more of a me thing
peak ether
I actually remember hearing in another server that Bl2 is like Majora's Mask
peak ether
I actually remember hearing in another server that Bl2 is like Majora's Mask
Fucking annoying but somehow the fan favorite
peak ether
barrel maybe?
barrels I know for sure
wheat harbor
yes and no
increased reload time is kinda miserable
south hamlet
Fucking annoying but somehow the fan favorite
i mean i like it
wheat harbor
barrels I know for sure
depends on the weapon type
pistol yeah
shotgun no
smg no
sniper no
as i said
theres 0 consistency across weapon types
peak ether
i mean i like it
I don't
wheat harbor
even dahl stock always being best is wrong
south hamlet
even dahl stock always being best is wrong
that's for sure
wheat harbor
and i dont mean when dahl doesnt exist
wheat harbor
that's for sure
well
i feel like you probably dont know what im getting at
dahl stock being best is just situational and actually depends on your playstyle
south hamlet
dahl stock being best is just situational and actually depends on your playstyle
oh i get it
wheat harbor
because of how accuracy works when you ADS
peak ether
Yeah as I said I prefer Hyp stock
south hamlet
well
i feel like you probably dont know what im getting at
but what i'm trying to say is that no parts work for every single weapon
wheat harbor
torgue AR stock reduces kick more than Dahl AR stock
but dahl AR stock reduces max accuracy more
so if you ADS a lot torgue stock is better, if you hip fire dahl is better
accuracy doesnt matter when you ads as it only effect sway
sway only matters while not shooting
peak ether
bl2 hip fire is pain
south hamlet
so a lot of people just ads most of the time
me
wheat harbor
Yeah as I said I prefer Hyp stock
on smgs?
peak ether
thank you gbx for downgrading Bl1's shooting mechanics
real oracle
ameko trying not to be wrong
wheat harbor
thank you gbx for downgrading Bl1's shooting mechanics
its the same mechanics
wheat harbor
just
worse stats
wheat harbor
snipers
snipers is definitely the one type where sway matters
but then its just min accuracy
not max
so yeah
dahl makes your starting sway worse
peak ether
just
worse stats
still feels like shit
wheat harbor
still feels like shit
yes!!
south hamlet
unless i'm using a slagga or a lascaux i'll ads all the time
(not like ALL the time but you get it)
wheat harbor
im just saying mechanics are the same
just worse stats
the entire accuracy pool mechanic is incredibly dumb
why are there 2 spreads
why does ADSing give guns perfect accuracy
as it just makes bullet clusters always centered
wheat harbor
im just saying mechanics are the same
just worse stats
largely that
they kept the base stats of stuff similar, but removed the powerful bonuses bl1 parts give
because parts are no longer ranked
peak ether
explains that part
wheat harbor
similar case for reload times
but worse
some reload times were actually made worse
but
without the uh, whatever you call that system that gives buffs for using guns
im mind blanking
peak ether
Proficiency?
peak ether
Snipers don't get reload from prof btw
wheat harbor
lol
peak ether
(they get fire rate instead)
wheat harbor
(they get fire rate instead)
um the bonus is there
peak ether
Wdym
wheat harbor
thats the sniper thing
its got the bonus there for a slight reload speed boost
wheat harbor
interesting
sniper stability doesnt lower kick
instead max accuracy and regen
peak ether
wheat harbor
and "accuracy" is just min accuracy
wheat harbor
<:confusedAurelia:567517615774498836>
uhh whats the confusion
accuracy controls cluster distance
spread controls cluster size
peak ether
Why tf is it like that
wheat harbor
accuracy is what changes on shot, effecting the reticle size
viscid mortar
I just got this pretty thing from a random bandit
very cool world drop
matching grip as well
I think it might be my first pearl?
viscid mortar
I just got this pretty thing from a random bandit
this will do until I farm a norfleet at like op 10
umbral wave
very nice
opal ingot
tunguska sucks
its purpose is selling it to a vendor
viscid mortar
Well
Still a cool drop
And does decent launcher damage since I have nothing better
wide fog
tunguska sucks
its purpose is selling it to a vendor
play snowbound it’s great in that 👍
real oracle
dr bones said i suck so i wont play it :(
hallow sierra
umbral wave
i just got the exact same grenade from a single enemy in the dragon keep dlc. only major difference is that the orange one is worse than the blue one lol
real oracle
it's not worse
it hits twice
if you shoot it just close to the enemy it bounces again directly towards them
real oracle
👍
hallow sierra
umbral wave
buggy?
hallow sierra
?
umbral wave
pretty sure zeros skill isnt called tw0 fang
hallow sierra
pretty sure zeros skill isnt called tw0 fang
Tw0 Fang is the one with the snake icon close to the bottom, my dude
umbral wave
then why did you click on the top skill? what else are you trying to show us?
real oracle
average bl2 ui moment
hallow sierra
then why did you click on the top skill? what else are you trying to show us?
- I didn't, you just don't see where my cursor is because I have it hidden for screenshots by default
- I didn't try to show you anything, it's just that this channel is the only one we're allowed to post screenshots in. The conversation that this is related to is in #borderlands-2.
hallow sierra
average bl2 ui moment
(also this, lol)
umbral wave
okay, and how am i supposed to know that?
real oracle
smh
hallow sierra
I wasn't even aggressive, I apologise for coming off that way
real oracle
anywho in this case shoot for ambush instead
or just rush many must fall smh it matters more
umbral wave
I wasn't even aggressive, I apologise for coming off that way
must be the german genes within you
xd
hallow sierra
meh
hallow sierra
~~or just rush many must fall smh it matters more~~
I mean, I definitely want that skill, but I don't have the level needed for that
hallow sierra
okay, and how am i supposed to know that?
but also, I feel like it should be kinda obvious. I mean, we can't post screenshots in the other channels, only here in #bl1-2-tps-media, so like, when somebody throws in a screenshot with little to no context, I feel like the default assumption should be that it relates to a convo in the other channels.
Honestly, this is a bit silly for a server structure...
hallow sierra
I understand why it was done like this - or at least I think I do, namely readability first and foremost - but it just adds so much confusion
And then you have media for three separate games in one channel, which kinda makes sense logistically, but then you have conversations about 3 separate games in one channel, because nobody wants to go back and forth and back and forth for screenshots
umbral wave
i also dont get why borderlands 3 gets an entire seperate category while the 3 better games imo get literally just a single media channel
dry island
you cant even screen share in the vcs
pretty common procedure for bigger servers
i mod one with 200k ish member, if we gave everyone streaming perms id be banning 20 people a day
real oracle
i also dont get why borderlands 3 gets an entire seperate category while the 3 b...
honestly sometimes it bothers me sometimes it doesnt but #server-suggestions if we get enough people there maybe sen and the rest of the crew might do something about it (lmao no)
umbral wave
well alr that might be understadable
dry island
only having image perms in this channel is definitely annoying but i get why they do it, just makes it easier to mod
real oracle
cuz sometimes i be posting questions about bl2 code actually i dont do it in this server anymore and then someone asking about bl1 and gets drowned out
umbral wave
honestly sometimes it bothers me sometimes it doesnt but <#1183597667104854088> ...
yea not i dont think that will ever happen. gearbox doesnt seem to like hearing the fact that the majority of the community thinks bl3 is a shit game
umbral wave
oh rlly then who manages it?
dry island
community does
umbral wave
whar
real oracle
sen is part of the admins so basically nobody
wow i just read through server suggestions 💀 i should put my mod on github instead
umbral wave
ah yes... gearbox, epic games and respawn entertainment, the 3 horsemen of fuck the community
dry island
fuck the community fr
real oracle
gbx put more effort into bl3 and hearing the community out than all the other games combined, the community is just full of stupid people
and nobody talks about it
bl3 was actively balanced by the community
nobody talks about that
dry island
if gearbox listened to the community the way people want them to the series wouldve died at the launch of bl2
umbral wave
didnt seem like it lol
real oracle
didnt seem like it lol
and it was
dry island
nobody talks about that
because people are brainrotted into only being able to see the devs as meanies that hate fun
real oracle
thats also just cuz the gearbox engine team and udk team for bl3 had little communication
which is why the game is buggy
but somehow still more seamless than bl2
gaige
real oracle
her bugs dont affect me but it's probably some of the worst code in the game
like to actually work with
real oracle
for some fucking reason bss is in the anarchy bpd
trim hinge
I saw that lmao
gigantic brain activity
I guess their thought process is that you had to get anarchy to get bss in the first place on her skill tree
real oracle
it's so fucking stupid you can just constraint it
shadow lodge
Tbh her codes being a chaotic spaghetti is in theme with anarchy
Absolutely intentional design choice
100%
tall surge
yea not i dont think that will ever happen. gearbox doesnt seem to like hearing ...
the majority? 
trim hinge
bl3 is easily the best game in the series now a days
signal stump
tbh
umbral wave
well maybe only ppl from this dc think that way lol
real oracle
well maybe only ppl from this dc think that way lol
yeah cuz the majority of the playerbase is uhh
honestly i dont know what it is with borderlands that attracts this kind of audience
not as bad as the fallout elitists though
i might be one
copper wasp
yea not i dont think that will ever happen. gearbox doesnt seem to like hearing ...
I'm not expecially keen on BL3 myself but I don't think it's a bad game at the end of the day
It does however have a lot of issues that keep it from being a great one though (both on it's own terms and in regards to the rest of the series)
real oracle
i think bl3's issues 100% outweigh how fucking comically insane and fun the game is
im not so keen on bl2 anymore tbh
the game is a batshit insane clusterfuck that lets you do what you want, but people INSIST on more of bl2's barely functional vise grip of a meta
and boring skills
and then get upset when the new game they're begging for isnt literally the exact same thing they already had
i dont get this fanbase
copper wasp
That's fandom in general for ya
It's simultaneously both the greatest and worst thing
real oracle
i'd still defend bl2 as a game that is worth instantly getting on sale but man, fun doesnt mean a good quality game
and bl2 loses its fun when you get technical compared to bl3
however i am a modder and can bend the game to my rules
barely tho half the shit i do is a shitpost
wheat harbor
It does however have a lot of issues that keep it from being a *great* one thoug...
yeah
for me most of 3's issues are JUST in the balance
and like
balance in a far more fixable way
real oracle
my favorite part of bl3 is action skills deciding when they want to activate
wheat harbor
since its
unique weapons too strong
mayhem too much health
wheat harbor
my favorite part of bl3 is action skills *deciding* when they want to activate
yeah that bug
sucks
copper wasp
Personally I think my biggest issues with BL3 are more in the loot system making it borderline impossible to obtain even just decent rolls
And also the whole matter of how Mayhem as a system was handled
wheat harbor
and like
balance in a far more fixable way
2's balance is far more complicated and fragile that doing any changes is really complex
in addition to there being like multiple different systems all working together to create the balance
like
OP levels arent even a specific thing
its just the regular high health enemy damage reduction
so if you change them it effects the game as a whole
and
op levels on gear arent a specific thing like the mayhem levels on guns, an op10 gun is literally just a level 90 gun displayed differently
a 72 mayhem10 gun is a level 72 gun, the mayhem part just adds 10 more levels for the damage calc, which can then be removed
peak ether
not as bad as the fallout elitists though
I hate both fanbases
worn crow
is this good for exodus mod
peak ether
I thought I was looking at Tps for a sec
peak ether
Idk I'm on console
real oracle
idk never played exodus
worn crow
does it even look good tho
pastel dome
can anyone help me with a raid boss in bl2
worn crow
is this good for exodus mod
@wide plinth sry about the ping but do you play bl2 with exodus
wide plinth
real oracle
bro just go to the exodus discord
before you ask, no i dont have a link smh just google it yourself
worn crow
before you ask, no i dont have a link smh just google it yourself
I did I couldn't find amything
wheat harbor
bro just go to the exodus discord
(they are in it)
fluid robin
...
covert token
So close to perfect but good enough for me, now fire and corrosive
opal ingot
it is perfect
covert token
Hyperion stock better then torgue
real oracle
not on hyperion specifically
covert token
Howso? And why use this on hyperion
real oracle
this bit on hyperion
torgue slows DOWN the accuracy regen
which on hyperion means it stays smaller longer
cuz on torgue this is negative
covert token
Good to know while farming all elements
wheat harbor
this bit on hyperion
accuracy regen slot is inverted on hyperion
so torgue stock makes it regen faster
torgue stock is better because hyperion shotguns are all about sustained fire and the increased acc impulse means its less shots for min accuracy
accuracy regen doesnt matter much at all
ok and shotgun stocks have the same thing AR stocks do
torgue is objectively better while ADSing on every shotgun
copper wasp
Why are you ADSing with a shotgun though
wheat harbor
Why are you ADSing with a shotgun though
because bl2 accuracy SUCKS and its an insane accuracy bonus to ads
ADSing makes bullet clusters perfectly centered
its an insane difference
especially on higher accuracy shotguns like hyperion barrel
the only stat that matters while adsing is accuracy impulse
so torgue wins easily
torpid temple
Why are you ADSing with a shotgun though
Always ads with any weapon in borderlands
Always always always
unless you're sal
copper wasp
Or Athena
trim hinge
Zane mains when the 300% accuracy buff
wheat harbor
who tf ads in bl1 and 3 smh
its kinda funny that 1 and 2 have pretty similar accuracy stats
but 2 doesnt have the high quality parts to make purple rarity guns good
wide fog
yeah i don’t see the point in ever aiming in bl3
wheat harbor
yeah i don’t see the point in ever aiming in bl3
distance
ya know
what aiming is actually for
wide fog
most characters move at moc speed anyway it’s fine
wheat harbor
idm aiming being an accuracy boost, i just hate how it works in 2
i think i have it like adsing is -50% spread on most, smgs its -25%, snipers have a different type of reduction to make them far more accurate on ads
because if snipers dont really shoot where you aim it sucks
fluid robin
is this good
lofty flame
Jakobs grip + DP is gonna give you abysmal fire rate
fluid robin
what does abysmal mean
lofty flame
Its gonna work youre just gonna find yourself out of ammo more often
opal ingot
and boring
fluid robin
ik but i can't be bothered to actually play early game gaige
fluid robin
losing 1% of your mag when your mag is 1 goes down to 0 so
yeah i noticed that, but 2 mag shotguns dont go below 1 thankfully
humble junco
your not losing more than 50% of mag size so it isn't possible fortunately
south hamlet
so uhh i think Bl2Fix is working...
i'm gonna turn some options off this is way too op
game crashed and i lost every weapon i got lol
real oracle
hey i mean i think funkzone (world) drop rates are way too high lmao
it's prob the enemy pools
i gave em a chance to spawn with and drop legendaries and ive nerfed it so many times but it still happens
might have gutted chests on accident tho
im still trying to find a decent balance
south hamlet
how is it op
in my opinion world drops should feel rare
wide fog
hey i mean i think funkzone (world) drop rates are way too high lmao
yeah on my first run through i’d get multiple pears from a midget at times
south hamlet
in my opinion world drops should feel rare
i still keep weapon parts scalling based on playthrough and quest reroll on so i don't go insane
south hamlet
in my opinion world drops should feel rare
idk if should keep it on or if i turn it off
it's really the world drops that get me thinking
worn crow
i get this even thoi got the pandoras box
wide fog
what the actual fuck 
copper wasp
I'm late but what the hell is causing the nuke explosions to happen here
real oracle
gaige skill
zinc gyro
Me : challenge run, Etech only
Warrior on story kill : very good shock CC
Me : are you kidding me
zinc gyro
i get this even thoi got the pandoras box
Do you have the fight for sanctuary? it's weird it should be lvl 72 but we never know
wheat harbor
Do you have the fight for sanctuary? it's weird it should be lvl 72 but we never...
thats tps not bl2
frank reef
thats tps not bl2
didnt BL2 go u to 72 OP8 before fight for sanctuary?
frank reef
thats tps not bl2
im like 95% sure TPS caps at 70
wheat harbor
didnt BL2 go u to 72 OP8 before fight for sanctuary?
yes
frank reef
the screenshot from chompsky is tps
ahhh gotcha
zinc gyro
im like 95% sure TPS caps at 70
yea tps cap at 70
worn crow
Do you have the fight for sanctuary? it's weird it should be lvl 72 but we never...
I do
I have all dlcs
I bough Pandoras box
zinc gyro
so it's TPS or bl2?
worn crow
Tps
zinc gyro
if it's TPS, it's 100% normal
cap is 70, i tought it was bl2 and assumed it was probably missing smth
worn crow
OK thanks
zinc gyro
bascialy TPS has no endgame, it's just a very good story
so no need for 80 and OP/mayhem lvls
worn crow
I luv playing as claptrap
zinc gyro
same
it's so random
btw 4 clap with as much augments is just pure chaos
press the skill button, wait for smth to happen, either the world will end because you became OP, or you'll just die because the skill are shitty
worn crow
bascialy TPS has no endgame, it's just a very good story
Yeah op levels at a certain point make enemies a fucking mach Jesus super (insert species name here) mega fucker
zinc gyro
Yeah op levels at a certain point make enemies a fucking mach Jesus super (inser...
ultra mega badass stump (lvl 146)
worn crow
Lol
zinc gyro
welp, uii find OP really challenging after op 4/5
worn crow
Yeah
zinc gyro
it start to get hard if you really don't have a good setup
if you have a good setup, just destroy everything
worn crow
Yeah it makes certain guns shit themselves any higher than 3
zinc gyro
i'm doing an etech only run, god it's painfull, peak will be a mess
worn crow
Why is there an etech rarity
zinc gyro
basicaly, no healing in any short, and even if etech are kinda good early game, at uvhm it's just finished
they are bad, and it's just getting worst
zinc gyro
Why is there an etech rarity
because funny guns
worn crow
Ah ok
zinc gyro
basicaly the only builds possible are either beeshield + wanderlust for random damage, or etech launcher spam
worn crow
For etech only?
zinc gyro
yea ://
opal ingot
basicaly the only builds possible are either beeshield + wanderlust for random d...
plasma casters
zinc gyro
shotguns are useless since it's only for krieg, and i hate high lvl krieg play (personal stuff, not saying it's bad)
Snipers are good but sadly only moloko will be good if i can sustain kill skills with salvador (i pick him since early game ammo compsuption is just crazy)
pistols are most of the time bad (unless exceptions)
Casters are good, but only a few ones (and with my luck i keep getting bandit casters 💀)
AR are just, well worst AR
SMG are fucking OP, but single target
Launchers are just too strong
worn crow
Yeah
SMG are good for dps
I use a slag SMG plus shotgun
Then 2 rpgs
I play Salvador
zinc gyro
welp i know wanderlust can be built with salvador, it's kinda of a weird one, but it's working okay if you're in an open space
casters are the go too when it's smth else than bandit shitty idk what
etech launcher will be the play
shamfleet
worn crow
Also wtf were the tales from the borderlands for?
zinc gyro
the tales? isn't that a telltale game?
worn crow
It was a borderlands game
zinc gyro
i know it's just more lore, dunno if it's cannon or nah
zinc gyro
like minecraft story mode, you don't really play, it's a story with some choices
worn crow
Yeah
zinc gyro
pretty sure it's basicaly the same
zinc gyro
yea XD
worn crow
Espically with mods I am the kind of person to do modding, save editing and testing the moment I get a game
With exceptions
zinc gyro
XD, i wait a bit, play for a few hundred of hours and then start destroying the game with editors and mods XD
glass vessel
worn crow
XD, i wait a bit, play for a *few* hundred of hours and then start destroying th...
I sometimes do that too
peak ether
i know it's just more lore, dunno if it's cannon or nah
Tales 1 is canon
real oracle
bruh my drop rates are still too high 💀
wise bridge
Storm is alright in Borderlands 3
real oracle
it's quite a bit better than alright in bl3 i think
wise bridge
Havent played 3 in a while but yeah it was good to me up until around M10
I guess it also depends on build I was using a Zane
real oracle
i use it on amara and moze it's really nice
has some indescriminate shenanigary
i liked that it actually HAD a splash radius so i ported its nova to bl2
so that the animation isnt just an animation but actually has damage
cunning sable
Anyone see the legendary??
WOW!!!!!
LEGENDARY BERZERKER!!!!
zinc gyro
Ima curse you, the gunzerker icons for mag size are not perfect, the right part of the left one is missing a pixel
Bad roll but still a find
austere sierra
Well than XD
fluid robin
does bunker stand a chance
im gonna have max stacks by the time i reach the mission
wait im not gonna be able to him him
fluid robin
i think i just got blessed by the badass constructor
opal ingot
fluid robin
just lost 300 stacks
opal ingot
skill issue
wide fog
literally just used a level 9 harold
boring
fluid robin
i also used a veruc and an smg which didn't hit anything
hallow sierra
I have a lot of questions
tidal obsidian
All answers are: Y E S
cunning sable
Thats a pretty bad fibber
zinc gyro
pretty sure it's not a ricochet fibber, so bad for gaige
cunning sable
Oh no Shotgun fibber isnt bad whatsoever, its just the parts suck
maiden bridge
Got this a while ago but always a fun one to share
zinc gyro
Isn't he weak to corrosion 💀
errant token
Green health bar != Yellow health bar
zinc gyro
i tought corrosion on green bars, fire on red bars, uranium on yellow bars and shock on blue
There is an impostor among us (etech only run)
opal ingot
Isn't he weak to corrosion 💀
physx 
zinc gyro
looks good 👍
opal ingot
and nice crashes
cunning sable
Isn't he weak to corrosion 💀
Drink it
zinc gyro
and nice crashes
never saw one in around 130 hours of gameplay with physx
i even tried overloading with slag particle during bloodwing fight, using gaige and the slag explosion, using salvador with 2 splasher, spamming as many as i can, no crashes
cunning sable
and then you shoot one psycho and your pc bluescreens and deletes system 32
fluid robin
good roll?
opal ingot
yes'
rigid flume
4 digit?
fluid robin
yes
rigid flume
gangter
fluid robin
what
rigid flume
Shoulda taken the 1st 4 digit one xdd
fluid robin
i did
its just another one
in comparison, which is better
now i got shock with dahl grip
rigid flume
oh, I haven't been reading the weapon cards xdd what a goofy mod
fluid robin
why is it goofy
rigid flume
because I said it is
rigid flume
no pic for the roll?
fluid robin
fluid robin
wym
rigid flume
preference
fluid robin
no sight looks the best tbh'
rigid flume
I just hip fire xdd
rigid flume
iunno, prolly not
fluid robin
i didnt take it anyways lol
ok im done this is boring
i'll get corrosive in tvhm i guess
zinc gyro
matching grip shoudl probably the only reqs for this gun since you're at the end of normal, unless you want to use to later with a bee, you don't really need a godroll
tall surge
is jakobs grip any good?
you see theres a funny thing about fibber
that cuz of the way its stats are calculated, only flat bonuses actually matter
so its either hyperion grip or nothing
fluid robin
oh
tall surge
same thing for accessories
fluid robin
good i got a matching grip shock then
tall surge
damage/fire rate accessories on it barely affects dps
fluid robin
why would the fibber lie to me 😭😭
opal ingot
hmmm i wonder why 
trim hinge
zinc gyro
Waiiiiiit? the Fibber is lying? i knew it was becoming a real boy, but at this point? god that loader became human at this point, we need to stop him (maybe it's the BL4 plots, loaders became sentients and are attacking humans XDDDD)
zinc gyro
i think i just got blessed by the badass constructor
Ravager buddy?
fluid robin
cool
zinc gyro
it's always sad to find a quad barrel when doing a challenge run where you can't use them XD
fluid robin
how good or bad is this bee
cunning sable
God awful
keen radish
lol
cunning sable
Thats Pangolin Tourge
That special stat is gone
fluid robin
what special stat
cunning sable
It would be Amp damage for the Bee
fluid robin
It would be Amp damage for the Bee
what do you mean by that
cunning sable
Special just refers to a sheilds special effect
So booster drops, adaptives damage reduction, absorb chance, ect
Amp
keen radish
shoot go big damage
fluid robin
but it has amp
fluid robin
ohh
cunning sable
Oh wait your doing it in normal mode?
Why
fluid robin
Oh wait your doing it in normal mode?
Why
why not
why not
cunning sable
You dont need it go sell that thing
real oracle
i mean it has...yeah i cant think of a use
keen radish
idk i don't play this game
fluid robin
but bee + fibber 😭😭
real oracle
it's more a later game backup item
it's always nice to have one but god that bee is atrocious lmao
keen radish
lol
real oracle
a slight breeze will make it unusable
keen radish
mhm
cunning sable
You like, trip on a rock anr its suddenly useless
fluid robin
aw
cunning sable
Its not the ReVolter where you just do stupid damage constantly
Bee gets tapped and its stuck charging for a good solid 7 seconds
keen radish
yeah
fluid robin
fair point im not gonna farm it
frank reef
thats why i dn't bother with the bad game
wait are you saying 2 is the bad one 😭
jolly gale
Id argue it is
frank reef
damn why
jolly gale
just a lot of flawed design decisions and not being consistent with interesting gear designs
frank reef
just a lot of flawed design decisions and not being consistent with interesting ...
I feel like a lot of that is only really noticeable as you get really deep into stuff like UVHM. If you're joe schmoe playing on pt1 the game works well
a lot of the post game was "tacked on" later in a sense
but
a lot of stuff is just broken too
and glitched
jolly gale
I feel like a lot of that is only really noticeable as you get really deep into ...
yeah I can see that, though when it does become apparent it causes a lot of issues
frank reef
100% agree
I guess my main metric by which i judge bl games is by the writing
and 2 wins there hands down
but if you're talking just gameplay i think i agree with you
after some thought
jolly gale
I think TPS does it's writing better but 2's is solid yeah
frank reef
I think TPS does it's writing better but 2's is solid yeah
TPS very close for me, but is kinda hindered by several of the characters not vibing with me so much
and several favorites being absent
jolly gale
yeah that's fair
frank reef
damn this conversation was way too reasonable
jolly gale
LMAO
frank reef
xD
zinc gyro
Wait, a reasonable cross BL conversation? Impossible
frank reef
Wait, a reasonable cross BL conversation? Impossible
i know, i should have told them i was going to make them into a meat bicycle
zinc gyro
SPIN-AXE IS ALWAYS THIRSTY FOR THE MEAT JUICE!!
zinc gyro
Badmaw farming be like
I never even used it/saw it before
where does that sniper come from? is it a world drop only?
wait it's shooting 5 projectiles? is that another sniper like the skullmasher? but with elements and unlisted projectiles so the bee shield can go crazy?
opal ingot
where does that sniper come from? is it a world drop only?
terra
also it shoots 7 projectiles not 5
zinc gyro
oops XD
anyway funny to get raid boss drops from a miniboss and white from raid bosses
opal ingot
rng
wide fog
pitchfork on gaige my beloved
fluid robin
gaige is awesome
viscid mortar
just got the same harold...
well other than the sight but that doesn't matter
very weird
opal ingot
red rarity gorgel schnozzel
proud canyon
Loot drop or level anyone
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fluid robin
what parts does a perfect lady fist have
viscid mortar
what special ability does a bearcat has since it's a pearl
cunning sable
what special ability does a bearcat has since it's a pearl
Being bad
opal ingot
skill issue
fluid robin
Its perfectly usable for normal mode
i got a matching grip now
last try and im ending this farm
cunning sable
The one you got was fine
fluid robin
the shock or the matching grip
cunning sable
The shock one
fluid robin
i kept it dw
viscid mortar
Being bad
I feel like there are better greens than pearls...
it seems like only 2 pearls are worth using
zinc gyro
what special ability does a bearcat has since it's a pearl
shotting multiple grenades, but it's really bad
zinc gyro
it seems like only 2 pearls are worth using
butcher is a nice pearl, bekkah is very good, Sawbar and avenger are ok for me, i've heard carnage can be quite powerfull with a good build, but yea most of the time pearls are not really worth it
either better options, or just easy to obtain and performing good options
fluid robin
butcher is the only good pearl imo
zinc gyro
i would like to diseagre
i think the bekkah and sawbars are considered the best AR in BL2, and they are extremely potent
opal ingot
butcher is the only good pearl imo
sawbar
stalker
butcher
avenger (niche)
bekah
and storm (useable)
zinc gyro
godfinger is a niche too i think
opal ingot
eh
zinc gyro
the wanderlust is, welllllllllll
opal ingot
it's kinda bad
zinc gyro
it's kinda bad
if you're far enough, it's really strong, but the pimpernel is just easier to use
opal ingot
the wanderlust is, welllllllllll
can be useable
zinc gyro
yea i know, for my etech only run ima try to get some and build around it
the worst pearl is imo the tunguska
well gen2 pearls are bad in general
real oracle
if you're far enough, it's really strong, but the pimpernel is just easier to us...
you have to be further then the spawn radius for enemies for it to become useable
zinc gyro
really? isn't that the issue if you have a skill who make bullets go faster or smth?
i tought it was usable on some maps
real oracle
thats bl3 dumbass
real oracle
really? isn't that the issue if you have a skill who make bullets go faster or s...
no it's pretty much always bad
cunning sable
I havent played hammerlock dlc in a while
lofty flame
hunter's grotto?
opal ingot
if only i'd known which map uses the fridge's sound track
zinc gyro
oh i see, that map
real oracle
only like sawtooth and magnys lighthouse and maps like that work with the godfinger but half the time you have to
run to the enemies, spawn them, and run all the way back
just to get the godfinger to compete with some of the better snipers
zinc gyro
i tough it was possible to get all 14 pellet in sanctuary, but apparently i was super wrong XD
cunning sable
I think the Patch might make it better but idk
red crow
just got the same harold...
if you got the matching scope it would be hilarious
viscid mortar
if you got the matching scope it would be hilarious
also those harold were only one harold apart if that makes sense
Like on op 6 I farmed the harold you see on the left, and on op 8 I farmed 2 harolds and the one on the right was the 2nd one
so out of my 3 latest harolds
2 were almost identical
average loot from 3 runs of digistruck peak
having to fight 2 saturns, dukino's mom and the 4 assasins every time I die is making me want to gaige my eyes out 
cunning sable
Bad bearcat
Bad storm
Two bad infinites
Two bad nukems
And onw decent hellfire
viscid mortar
Bad bearcat
Bad storm
Two bad infinites
Two bad nukems
And onw decent hellfire
I'm impressed by the fact that you can tell apart all the parts from this image
I sold them all anyway
to get a solid $0 since I already hit the money cap
cunning sable
I cant see the prefix but the grips i could
One infinity was ok but the gun is trash anyway so
copper wasp
Bad bearcat
Bad storm
Two bad infinites
Two bad nukems
And onw decent hellfire
"Bad Bearcat" implies that there's somehow a "Good Bearcat"
cunning sable
Yes
The bl3 one (only by a little)
real oracle
@wide fog you're actually so bad, it's that simple :engicluel
all u gotta do is abuse the shit out of double dipping smh
cunning sable
real oracle
almsot missed this thing
cunning sable
real oracle
@tall surge
real oracle
rap
you shoulda fucking heard him immediately before this
cuz he opened the red bunker chest when i was doing the elevator
and i just hear "WHAT THE FUCK?"
he shows me what he got in the control core and it was a fucking harold
cunning sable
I didn't think to clip it then but
What the fuck
proud canyon
Can anyone help me I’m in ps yt_shadow141a
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austere sierra
What's this say
wide fog
<@533011729525768232> you're actually so bad, it's that simple :engicluel
what the the fuck
viscid mortar
he started speaking in morse code near the end
spark ravine
lol
viscid mortar
should I go for 5/5 money shot or get no kill like overkill?
I have one skill point left
and this is my gear
and the rest of my skill tree
this my first time trying out money shot
seems pretty nice I can get inconceivable to proc while on my last shot
and since I have no shield (rough rider) it procs pretty often
verbal lava
What's this say
Says
“Lady Tine of Blowupyourfaceheim”
the chat didn’t scroll
Damn this piece of shit app
spark ravine
should I go for 5/5 money shot or get no kill like overkill?
depends what you like more
opal ingot
Says
“Lady Tine of Blowupyourfaceheim”
tine???
verbal lava
I have given up, I’m this close to making my mum very sad
viscid mortar
yay
viscid mortar
depends what you like more
moneyshot ig, might pick overkill when I try pimperhabing or using deputy sal
tropic gale
@opal ingot Still working on the Maggie, but here's the skill tree. I'm going to probably respec it to a youtube build once I have all my points
@frank reef I may agree with what you say and just call it. 10 Maggies in and no jakobs grip. of these, which do you think would be the most worth?
opal ingot
<@717428488918925322> Still working on the Maggie, but here's the skill tree. I'...
what in the lord is this abomination
tropic gale
what in the lord is this abomination
I wanted kunai and started working down the left tree
opal ingot
green's fine
but blue's just a total mess
max out fast hands
you don't need counter strike if you're not doing melee
max out ambush
max out innvervate
you don't wanna split your points like that where almost nothing's maxed
also i see that you have a point in iron hand which sucks
fallow hearth
😦
tropic gale
also i see that you have a point in iron hand which sucks
Working off of a vynlic puma build now
wheat harbor
dont take any advice from puma
if youre not using critical ascension id highly recommend two fang
fallow hearth
to tell you to go play tps instead <:mozeHueh:712237380073160704>
TPS does this too….
What’s wrong with Puma?
wheat harbor
really bad bl knowledge
fallow hearth
….. nervously turns off Gaige tutorial
tropic gale
Do you have other recommendations or is it just "not puma"
fallow hearth
Not me either. I main Krieg.
Does anyone know how to fix that problem I posted earlier?
cunning sable
….. *nervously turns off Gaige tutorial*
Step 1: don't
fallow hearth
Step 1: don't
Don’t what-
cunning sable
Dont
fallow hearth
tall surge
id recommend speccing off Vel0city
hurts lots of good zer0 weapons
and makes hitting the sweet spot of the Lyuda harder
frank reef
<@324408555354718208> I may agree with what you say and just call it. 10 Maggies...
now that is something i am not so sure about. test em out
tall surge
<@324408555354718208> I may agree with what you say and just call it. 10 Maggies...
what are the accessories
easier to send a picture of the gun card and the gun model rather than just the model
tall surge
did you try reinstalling
bold spindle
did you try reinstalling
How acquire character role?
tall surge
How acquire character role?
at the top of channel list at ''Channels & Roles''
bold spindle
I'm blind. lmao
tall surge
kek goobus
bold spindle
I will kill you with hammers.
tall surge
:3
viscid mortar
how did I get -$2 from picking up cash?
(I was using the OutOfBounds mode to teleport everything to me, but it shouldn't have made me loss money)
cunning sable
You got a rupoor
tall surge
how did I get -$2 from picking up cash?
viscid mortar
reiss...you good?
he's fighting his own demons
this game is so buggy when you try to beat it quick
tall surge
yes
heady marten
(I was using the OutOfBounds mode to teleport everything to me, but it shouldn't...
If everything is teleporting to you automatically when you would normally press a button to interact with it, you probably clicked on a viewable telescope in one of the areas that costs $5, but you probably at the same time got $3, so you are seeing a -$2
That's what I would guess
viscid mortar
thats like the worst element for it
I know...
I just get very unlucky while killing the warrior
and got that
matching grip as well..would've been pretty much perfect if it wasn't slag
but I just needed a weapon with good spread since I was playing normal mode
and anything I sniffed would evaporate
and CC can clear pretty well so I just picked up that one
viscid mortar
If everything is teleporting to you automatically when you would normally press ...
that sounds like it shouldn't happen...but spaghetti game+mods and yk it makes sense
real oracle
could be worse
someone played my mod and buying from vendors at early game gave you money
no idea why
viscid mortar
they simply had max charisma
heady marten
Does the glitch where you can sell your echo from the start of the game to a vender and buy it back for free work in BL2 as well or is it just a pre sequel thing?
Cause that's like the best way to stack up money early on
real oracle
it's just a tps thing
heady marten
viscid mortar
just got this thing from my 2nd bunker kill....I was preparing for a 5 hour grind but nope, 88% sham in less than 10 minutes
cunning sable
thats like the worst element for it
On the contrary
A slag cc has a lot of uses, the way it interacts with enemies makes it a not too shabby slag tool
Especially for haderax
viscid mortar
On the contrary
A slag cc has a lot of uses, the way it interacts with enemies m...
haderax is the ONLY reason I kept it around honestly
cunning sable
Because it passes through enemies it can slag a lot more then it normally could
viscid mortar
cuz with a decent bee shield and while offhanding something that gives me like 800% more damage without the need for a slagging bouncing betty, it can still be...usable
cunning sable
Bee on sal?
viscid mortar
yep
cunning sable
Ew
viscid mortar
isn't the bee good on....everyone?
cunning sable
Sal doesnt need it
viscid mortar
well I mean with the amount of game breaking glitches he carries around...you got a point
cunning sable
Its also bad on Kreig
viscid mortar
who needs a setup when you can pimperhab your raid bosses to dust
real oracle
isn't the bee good on....everyone?
thing is the bee doesnt affect the left hand, and nklok is already postadd damage
real oracle
who needs a setup when you can pimperhab your raid bosses to dust
honestly why bother with anything at that point
viscid mortar
thing is the bee doesnt affect the left hand, and nklok is already postadd damag...
other than maybe deputy sal, wouldn't you always want your main gun to be on your main hand so you can use stuff like the lady fist?
real oracle
crit applies to the player
while moneyshot's bonus only depends on the right hand's gun so
that's why it's in the left hand
viscid mortar
while moneyshot's bonus only depends on the right hand's gun so
yea but most stuff that you abuse moneyshot on is used left handed
by most I just mean the orphan maker
real oracle
that's just in this case, that's not always how it works though
infinite money shot for example
or basically anything with the lead storm
viscid mortar
I still barely have any grasp on what sal is capable of
real oracle
then dont bring it up
viscid mortar
alright sorry
real oracle
nah im just being an ass
the big thing is that shit like healing and crit applies to the player, and then there is a dance between
the bee only applying to the right hand
and money shot reading the right hand
viscid mortar
nah im just being an ass
I've pretty much got to op 10 playing the way gearbox intended sal to be played
real oracle
so theres a fight between money shot chaining with the bee, and deputy sal
viscid mortar
mainly just offhanding a groger the entire time
real oracle
that's unfortunate tbh
viscid mortar
and the occasional lady fist when I wanna grind a boss
real oracle
the grog is a bandaid fix to brawn tree being ass at keeping sal alive
viscid mortar
the grog is a bandaid fix to brawn tree being ass at keeping sal alive
I wish I got a video of my health bar while doing a peak run...
real oracle
did you go full brawn titan build
it's honestly absurd that you have to fully invest in brawn tree just to match what axton can do with one action skill
viscid mortar
I only died when health gate run out and I was reloading...that's it
viscid mortar
it's honestly absurd that you have to fully invest in brawn tree just to match w...
and then sal is considered more tanky than someone like zer0
real oracle
so im p sure gbx knew what they were doing when they made the grog
viscid mortar
zer0 players have it hard, a small paper cut and you're healthgated
real oracle
instead of buffing sal just make this thing that has crit only sal can abuse
viscid mortar
instead of buffing sal just make this thing that has crit only sal can abuse
who needs tanky sal when you kill raid bosses 3 seconds after they spawn
real oracle
completely different thing tho
tediore axton kills bosses with 1hp what's your point
im talking aboht mobbing
and just playing the game
viscid mortar
I will need to start learning what sal can actually do...might take a while
viscid mortar
im talking aboht mobbing
oh yea mobbing without a moxxie weapon is death
zinc gyro
yea sal have a hard time staying alive during late game mobbing 😢
doing a challenge run, i have no moxxi's weapons, and damm those transfusion grenade are appealing now XD
or maybe i shouldn't use a massively under lvl sham with only 80ish% 💀
jolly gale
yeah that'll do that to you
using under leveled gear isn't great and sham is meh
Rough Rider and Adaptive Shields synergize far better with Sal
leaden stag
gotta kill them all
heady marten
Definitely something Nisha would do
Also excellent Maggie with matching sights. Been trying to grab a matching level one for my Lawbringer build lately
Wait that's the Luck Cannon nevermind 
cunning sable
Why is it two fer
I doesn't nisha want
Not that
leaden stag
zinc gyro
Rough Rider and Adaptive Shields synergize far better with Sal
i know, but i don't really have a choice rn
my only weapons who still have some noticeable effects are some massively underlvl etech launcher who can barely 3 shoot basic ennemies because i'm dumb and did a dumb challenge run where i cannot get any healing weapons and i'm going to loose my slag transfusion
jolly gale
wait why wouldn't rough rider or adaptives be available than
zinc gyro
i have a better roll sham (89%) but it's not even at 1k shield capacity
zinc gyro
wait why wouldn't rough rider or adaptives be available than
because i cannot use etech launchers with a rough rider or adaptive shield?
jolly gale
genuine question, why not?
torpid temple
No regen with the etech splash
jolly gale
i have a better roll sham (89%) but it's not even at 1k shield capacity
if it's a lower level than your current one it's probably worse
zinc gyro
of course, i'm rocking 17k hp, 2k shield with barely 80% absorb, my rocket launchers deal 1/3 of basic mob health, no moxxi weapons, unless i get a plasma caster or something like that i don't have any other choice
my weapons are 15lvls under
jolly gale
No regen with the etech splash
the offensive benefits of rocket regen I feel would be outweighed a lot more by better survivability
zinc gyro
i cannot use them
or i can use a fucking bandit slag dart to kill mobs, it's myy only "on lvl" weapon
torpid temple
the offensive benefits of rocket regen I feel would be outweighed a lot more by ...
Yeah, and sal has innate rocket regen with 5 shots or 6
jolly gale
i cannot use them
can you get torgue / jakobs shotguns (or other generally good sal weapons) and a turtle or adaptive shield from the Wam Bam vendor or chest
zinc gyro
it ain's fun
i could go to TTAODK, or snowman, but i don't want to trash etechs farms for later
zinc gyro
can you get torgue / jakobs shotguns (or other generally good sal weapons) and a...
Bro did you read mmy messages?
i told ETECH ONLY
how is a jakob shotgun and etech
jolly gale
doing a challenge run, i have no moxxi's weapons, and damm those transfusion gre...
here you only mentioned the no healing part
so I wasn't aware that etech only was a factor up until now
zinc gyro
pretty sure i mentioned it a dozen time or so in this channel
jolly gale
I only visit this server like once a day
zinc gyro
but not today to not piss off peoples with that dumb run quiclky devolving into a shamnea run
hey an oly 2 lvl under weapon, not a bandit, nice
at least i have smth for bloodwing
unles it's fire phase 💀
since my main launcher is slag, i'm basicaly permaslagged
god this run is awfull
jolly gale
I guess any etech tediore smgs/pistols could do some damage or tech vladof srs but uh
best of luck
zinc gyro
good parts, but shit weapon XD
zinc gyro
I guess any etech tediore smgs/pistols could do some damage or tech vladof srs b...
i ain't wasting a hundred ammo on tediore reload, sorry i'm not an Axton main 💀
i really love hyperion/maliwan casters
launcher are obviously vladof
AR are trash, all of them
snipers are good when vladof/maliwan for elements
opal ingot
good parts, but shit weapon XD
that'd actually do some real damage
zinc gyro
yea, but not etech XD
opal ingot
if it weren't an e tech run yeah
zinc gyro
btw my topnea deal 16k damage
just for the parts i'm keeping it XD
ima kill bloodwing with shit weapon, the worst part? i got multiple good weapons while farming midget for some more lvls
jolly gale
i ain't wasting a hundred ammo on tediore reload, sorry i'm not an Axton main 💀
youre not using pistols much otherwise
zinc gyro
darks/spikers are not good pistols (god i will have to use the wanderlust 💀)
welp bloodwing when smoothly, weirdly enough, the bee really does wonders
bloodwing just killed me the explosion element --_--
jolly gale
darks/spikers are not good pistols (god i will have to use the wanderlust 💀)
hence why it's just a better use of ammo to chuck tediore wtech pistols for good dmg
keen fractal
Am I crazy for thinking that the switch might be my favorite way to play borderlands 💀
Like I own it on PC and Xbox but I just love playing in handheld
wide fog
awooga
real oracle
where tbe fuck did you get an osetor
wide fog
LMFAO
real oracle
IT'S x8
leaden stag
is that some community patch fuckery
opal ingot
uh
yeah no
leaden stag
I tried reborn and it kinda feels like too many weapons changed
real oracle
is that some community patch fuckery
no it's a completely new weapon
bold spindle
wide fog
is that some community patch fuckery
no its funkos mod
real oracle
whats your build so far
bold spindle
whats your build so far
Funky.
trim hinge
getting funky in the funkzone
leaden stag
are you possibly suggesting.. that you got funky?
wide fog
whats your build so far
lv 42
fuck
i booed upmthe game to show u and forgot to boot funkzone
my weapons are fiucking broken
fuck sake
trim hinge
idiot
leaden stag
that smg did not deserve the violation
opal ingot
why did the osetor specifically break <:zaneLUL:657339167503548431>
skill issue
real oracle
why did the osetor specifically break <:zaneLUL:657339167503548431>
the fuck did
did you turn off sanity saver lmao
update sanity saver and go into the configs and make sure auto activate is on
real oracle
ok there u go
smh free thinker ah build
also only one com boosts eye of corporate btw
have fun being a shitman
real oracle
completely different mechanically
i might give zer0 some extra survivability
a bit
gonna put it in flesh automaton
got me an idear
real oracle
it's deliberately not in right tree as a troll
tho i need to do something about this skill, it's shit just because of the way it works
numbers too high
thats a bit better
peak second wind gun
opal ingot
peak second wind gun
it's just the goat
real oracle
fuck it we ball
zane been real quiet since this dropped
wow it's actually rather stable
opal ingot
zane been real quiet since this dropped
what about amara
wide fog
update sanity saver and go into the configs and make sure auto activate is on
ok lemme look
real oracle
so it's not the most uncontrollable thing ever
wide fog
jesus fucking christ what did you do
real oracle
fuck it we ball
.
real oracle
i changed the description cuz the game did not, in fact, crash
wide fog
really?
real oracle
and now the description broke
so air speed apparently doesnt work so if you hit a pebble you lose the speed
i respecced just to mess around with this lmao
viscid mortar
peak second wind gun
That gun might have a slight critical hit bonus
covert token
Any reason to save non elemental?
real oracle
it's ok
leaden stag
why is that zero holding a stapler
copper wasp
so it's not the most uncontrollable thing ever
Man, who would've thought Zer0 was actually Sonic the Hedgehog this entire time
subtle storm
got the Heisenberg then next run a bonus package
real oracle
like nothing but k6 moment
leaden stag
cool name
zinc gyro
fuck it we ball
oh god, i love it XD
zinc gyro
what’s so special about the weisenheimer
just a funny name for a weapon
nova path
it's 57x7 is it worth keeping it should I keep farming for a better one?
fluid robin
its pretty good i think
torn prism
How good is this?
zinc gyro
reload speed is kinda low, maybe tediore grip?
wheat harbor
we can't see parts on it -_-
smh my head dont you just remember the stats of every weapon at every level
real oracle
this bouta be funny
real oracle
neat
rigid flume
it's 57x7 is it worth keeping it should I keep farming for a better one?
The 6 shot 80 acc makes it worth. Hope you're enjoying it
real oracle
is simple fix
real oracle
fuck it, axton doc changes
ig ima have to do this on my own for all the characters 💀
ima remove those last few words
maya is gonna be so funny to make
cunning sable
is this a damage calculation addition
zinc gyro
smh my head dont you just remember the stats of every weapon at every level
silly me, how can't i know the stats of all weapons (uniques and non uniques) with all of the parts combo at all 90 lvls for the game and all of the DLC
wheat harbor
fuck it, axton doc changes
killing you for this
real oracle
cry
you dont have access to them im p sure
~~you know this isnt the first time i got shit for putting a damage formula in the docs? ~~
i just need to actually organize it this time
yknow how much i hated writing this? how much i was telling myself splash isnt a thing but needing to put it in simple terms
how much i fucking hated "added"
but ppl dont always see why the hornet pops off when they ask about axton, so
i will say i have always had terrible wording 💀
wheat harbor
you dont have access to them im p sure
i do not!!
wheat harbor
~~you know this isnt the first time i got shit for putting a damage formula in t...
its more so i hate putting every individual thing that effects stuff in a formula
instead of listing what things boost
then how that effects stuff
wheat harbor
zzzz fire drill
also lmao is that the rainbow torgue shotgun?
thats literally just a torgue shotugn
torn lodge
also lmao is that the rainbow torgue shotgun?
yeah i dont know why