#Balancing that should be added imo

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turbid saffron
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now flash is wayyy better

hushed kindle
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it's always been better than ace

turbid saffron
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the awk is busted ifu get ur steal

hushed kindle
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that's the insane thing

turbid saffron
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yeah but the gap is so wide now

hushed kindle
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the only time ace was better was the first week of the rework pre nerf

turbid saffron
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do u think they shouldve kept that

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if a rework was never tonna happen

hushed kindle
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i wouldn't have cared

long wadi
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i dont think anyone would bat an eye if that was added now

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but back then it was the first hc dribble

hushed kindle
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considering gold ankles breaks an entire server with one button

long wadi
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people did not like that

turbid saffron
hushed kindle
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and chrollo was literally ace dribble on steroids

long wadi
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we got switcher doing the same at lightspeeds

hushed kindle
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full court dribble with 2 stuns stun

turbid saffron
hushed kindle
turbid saffron
turbid saffron
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street drib cant stun multiple at once

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it stuns them over the course of the move

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one at a time i think

hushed kindle
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nah i'd take street dribble

long wadi
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i dont think that matters

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it stuns multiple in one move

hushed kindle
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stupid dumb stuns + unblockable pass follow up

long wadi
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insane range too

turbid saffron
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true i think it could go either way though depending on the situation

hushed kindle
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luka can get clamped by a teammate if you get stunned

turbid saffron
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lukas like crowd control

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plus more options

hushed kindle
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not even crowd control

turbid saffron
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it does though

hushed kindle
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gold is more crowd control

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it stuns 3+ people

turbid saffron
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if ppl are grouped up it stuns them all at once

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gold cant do that

hushed kindle
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yes it can

long wadi
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in what situation

hushed kindle
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what are we talking about

turbid saffron
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unless spread out

long wadi
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would 3 people be in the same spot

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everyone will always spread out chief 😭

hushed kindle
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I've never in my life seen luka stun more than 1 person

turbid saffron
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i mean theres a chance theres two players close to a luka

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ez double stun into shot

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but gold needs distance between them

long wadi
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that isnt

turbid saffron
long wadi
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a bad thing

hushed kindle
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ugly + boring

turbid saffron
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i know

long wadi
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you have an unblockable pass for fault tolerance

turbid saffron
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which is why i say its situational which one would be the better option

hushed kindle
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3+ stuns + hood range + unblockable pass

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Give me street dribble every time

turbid saffron
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its hard to just say street dribbles better cuz even if the dribble alones better u still have better options afterward w luka

long wadi
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luka feels too slow for me

turbid saffron
turbid saffron
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u get a stun and a shot in a second

long wadi
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ehh

turbid saffron
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and if ur worried about someone using a dash move to block u or smth u can curve lukas dribble wayy more than street drib

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u get more freedom in general with good stuns and its not too slow

hushed kindle
turbid saffron
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it covers less distance but its fast

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alright i can agree to disagree

hushed kindle
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luka can get stolen from during the time slow

turbid saffron
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not ur avg one

long wadi
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gold has defense as well

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so thats a million points over luka

turbid saffron
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WAY better

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im talking dribs

hushed kindle
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better awakening 🤣

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I'm still taking gold

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It can go further with camera tech

turbid saffron
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havent seen that

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tbh

hushed kindle
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I've done it when I used it

turbid saffron
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i prefer more options and a quicker move personally

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makes it harder to play against

hushed kindle
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I don't see why gold and luka don't got the same amount of options

turbid saffron
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but u have plenty of time to get a gold using street drib if ur not in the stun

hushed kindle
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street dribble is also a free 3 points

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fast, UNBLOCKABLE pass

turbid saffron
hushed kindle
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INSTANTLY activates

turbid saffron
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thats more options

hushed kindle
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if it can get blocked regularly

long wadi
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floater is pretty slow

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i cant lie

turbid saffron
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depends

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its slow depending on ur position

hushed kindle
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at that point, just shoot the ball regularly

long wadi
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pretty much

turbid saffron
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im taking a shot move over a normal shot

long wadi
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unless you have like 777

hushed kindle
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a shot move is a glorified regular shot if there's nothing to it

long wadi
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and do half court floaters

turbid saffron
long wadi
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if you cant be bothered to block it normally

hushed kindle
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luka's floater got nothing to it that makes it any different from a regular shot

long wadi
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theres always defensive abilities

turbid saffron
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in this case it does

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but the shot alone sure

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i agree

hushed kindle
turbid saffron
long wadi
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what

hushed kindle
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that's if you dribble into someone

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naturally you'd want to dribble AWAY from people

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Idk why we use this argument for gold but not for luka

turbid saffron
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yeah but defensive moves make u a easy target if ur isolating urself

hushed kindle
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So will luka

turbid saffron
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luka can stun and shoot in a second

hushed kindle
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That don't matter against defensive moves

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And it's not hard to react to

turbid saffron
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its harder to block then gold imo

hushed kindle
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The only times I don't block luka is if I'm the one getting stunned or they dribble away from me

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They dribble even relatively close to me, it's clamps

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with either a block or defensive move

turbid saffron
hushed kindle
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I legit have an easier time blocking luka than blocking gold

turbid saffron
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theyre both stopped by defensive moves in their respective ways

hushed kindle
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and gold's been out for longer

turbid saffron
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that's personal though

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its not that way for me and its style dependent

hushed kindle
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Luka is super telegraphed and again, unblockable pass fail safe

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Even if they just so happen to be near someone, they pass to a teammate

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still a score at the end of the day

turbid saffron
hushed kindle
turbid saffron
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the shot and pass are very similar

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ive seen it myself

hushed kindle
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I haven't

turbid saffron
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i cant really say much more then

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but it happens

hushed kindle
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Like its actually telegraphed with luka

turbid saffron
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gold cant do so

hushed kindle
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If you got no court vision, then sure, it's similar

turbid saffron
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ur location is telegraphed with gold more

hushed kindle
turbid saffron
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lukas dribble is unpredictable

hushed kindle
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luka literally has to time stop and then dribble

turbid saffron
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if u spam there is no timestop pretty much

hushed kindle
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The whole server seeing where you're going

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At that point, you're just a glorified gold but somehow worse

turbid saffron
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but its unlikely theyll stop you more then gold

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more freedom gives more scoring opportunities

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thats the essence of luka

turbid saffron
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its different pros and cons

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so i can compromise

hushed kindle
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A dribble which you then have to choose between a pass and a shot vs a dribble where you can just pass and or just shoot

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and floater is slower than a regular shot btw

trim garnet
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Rubber man won't never comeback😭

turbid saffron
turbid saffron
hushed kindle
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How does location determine shot speed

turbid saffron
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or c v v

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simple

hushed kindle
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i'm pretty sure if a shot is fast, it's just fast

turbid saffron
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i dont know the specifics but in some areas its a different animation

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ill see when im home

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i doubt im wrong but if i am ill lyk

hushed kindle
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Never in the history of this game has location determine shot speed

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At that point, it's a totally different shot

turbid saffron
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ill see when i get home

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just test it

turbid saffron
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sorry i cant spell on my phone

prime musk
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I disagree

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with eclipse nerf

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As the whole point is

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it's only useful move is the steal

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and it's faster than jp steal

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because it doesn't get extra free moves

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and a cd reset on it's other move

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and it's other move isn't a dribble that stuns into an unblockable pass

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also

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Emp reach needs rework

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not range buff

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Because how it works now

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is if you use it while they're mid shot

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it WON'T block it

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you have to predict it

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and even if u do they see the aura

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  • its vulnerable to iframe steals
turbid saffron
prime musk
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except it can catch passes mid pass

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which eclipse can't

turbid saffron
turbid saffron
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then this eclipse nerf

prime musk
prime musk
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bullet pass

turbid saffron
prime musk
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charge pass

turbid saffron
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i mean

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sort of

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but its different

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better really

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blink deal is short dashes

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these would be like medium dashes and slow ppl if they step in the path of the dash

prime musk
turbid saffron
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no

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chrollo stuns

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this is the same slow mechanic as current tri slash

prime musk
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no lkke

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the range

turbid saffron
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ehhh

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little shorter

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maybe

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well no

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actually its 3 dashes so make it slightly less range than chrollos dribble

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each one a bit shorter than the first half of chrollos dribble

prime musk
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thats pretty big

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half court distance

turbid saffron
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eclipse capitalizes on predicting passes

prime musk
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Eclipse capitalises on reaction time

turbid saffron
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but eclipse does it easier

prime musk
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If your reaction time is faster than the eclipse

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you can just dribble him

turbid saffron
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yea thats sorta what i meant

long wadi
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just change the detection requirements

turbid saffron
prime musk
turbid saffron
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it isnt a half court stun dribble

prime musk
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anyhow

turbid saffron
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so i think it would be fine

prime musk
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Jackpot predicts passes

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and if you successfully get it

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its probably a free 3 as well

turbid saffron
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well both of these styles do

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and its like a 30 percent chance

prime musk
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eclipse is reaciton time based tbh

prime musk
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Also they again

turbid saffron
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ur right about jp being predicti9n

prime musk
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can catch all the unblockable passes

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like bullet, both of golds

turbid saffron
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but its somewhat that way with eclipse too but wayyy easie4

prime musk
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emp's

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charge pass

prime musk
turbid saffron
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yeah but blade dash is wayyy too fast imo

prime musk
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Plus again jackpot resets lucky bounce cd

prime musk
turbid saffron
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a slight speedd nerf would still make blade dash good

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its lethal up close and it would lose a bit of long range maybe

prime musk
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Oh right

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the main problem

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in ranked

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is bbunc

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the steal needs to be reworked or removed

turbid saffron
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true

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its plain annoying

prime musk
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its basically the same as prime venom

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except you can't jackpot steal it

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you can't venom steal it

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you can't anything steal it

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Only thing that works against it

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is vampire

turbid saffron
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someone here brought up that it shouldnt be able to steal when sm1 dribbles

prime musk
turbid saffron
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the onball variant is strong too so i could stand by that

prime musk
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tatlis snap

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after 2 nerfs

turbid saffron
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on shots okay if u cant steal when dribblint just nerf the offball range

prime musk
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After it couldn't steal anymore

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but before it could only stun 2 ppl

turbid saffron
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u can shoot whil3 using it but not with snap

prime musk
turbid saffron
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true

prime musk
turbid saffron
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but the move always worked the same

prime musk
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remember when chrollo's dribble

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used to be blockable

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Like you just blocked the dribble move 😭

turbid saffron
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when it stunned 3 (i think?) i could agree but not now

turbid saffron
prime musk
prime musk
turbid saffron
prime musk
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but funny asf

prime musk
turbid saffron
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prime snap would be equal or better than current cane eff

prime musk
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it stunned the whole team bro

prime musk
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cz it used to steal

long wadi
prime musk
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on release

long wadi
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the range was huge

prime musk
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first nerf was range

turbid saffron
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forgot

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range too

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thats way better

prime musk
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2nd just made it on ball only

turbid saffron
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OH

prime musk
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still bbunc is broken

turbid saffron
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it was offball as well

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i rlly forgot old snap

prime musk
turbid saffron
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it was cracked

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same w chrollo

prime musk
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everyone was glazing chrollo

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while everyone else was just winning using tatlis

turbid saffron
prime musk
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till they finally realized tatlis was broken

prime musk
turbid saffron
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tats still very good tbf

prime musk
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is double unc in 2v2

turbid saffron
long wadi
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tat is still unbalanced

prime musk
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and double unc luka or double unc gold in 3v3

long wadi
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we dont care now though

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because more broken styles released

turbid saffron
long wadi
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and we are desensitized

prime musk
prime musk
turbid saffron
prime musk
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it has enough counters now

long wadi
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well yeah they keep upping the standards

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4 steals in awakening

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a free guaranteed steal in base

prime musk
prime musk
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your walking speed is faster than it

long wadi
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if youre predictable

prime musk
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Eclipse can steal right after it

prime musk
turbid saffron
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there isnt a steal animation after colored strike

prime musk
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But you can macro the cooldown

turbid saffron
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u instantly get the ball and can dribble

prime musk
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if the dribble isn't fast enough

long wadi
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realistically thats a big if

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most tatlis mains will just wait for mistakes then steal

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they arent doing that off rip

turbid saffron
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yeah

prime musk
long wadi
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theres less margin for error as well since it bypasses dribbles

prime musk
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is the only

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unblockable pass

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in the whole gme

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game

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Every other pass has a counter

long wadi
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i dont see how this is

turbid saffron
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yeah but its different that bbunc there's certain moments where the steal just wont work

prime musk
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even like ultimate pass and charge pass

long wadi
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relevant

prime musk
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can be jackpot stolen

long wadi
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to dribbles

prime musk
long wadi
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im aware

prime musk
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if you steal tp pass u get ankle broken

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and if tatlis steals it

turbid saffron
prime musk
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it teleports back anyway

turbid saffron
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it stops steals if used beforehand

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its unstoppable

long wadi
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im also aware of that

prime musk
turbid saffron
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how tho?

long wadi
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why would you colored strikes teleport pass when youre aware of that

prime musk
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if you stay a distance

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and jacpot steal

long wadi
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i dont see the point

prime musk
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tp pass is the best one in the game cz of that

long wadi
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tp pass is the safest pass

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not the best though

prime musk
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and also you can look in a different direciton

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from who you're passing to

long wadi
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it has less value than ultimate pass

turbid saffron
# prime musk and jacpot steal

but if im luka and know ur jp whenever u use steal ill use my pass which resets ur location before i lose the ball and wastes ur move

prime musk
turbid saffron
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unless ur eclipse

prime musk
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like tp pass

turbid saffron
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its like a bait move into the pass worst case

long wadi
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at the end of the day jp steal is predictive

turbid saffron
prime musk
long wadi
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its much easier to bait out the more options you have

prime musk
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will be stronger

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than a good eclipse user

turbid saffron
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but i dont see how u stop luka freeze pass aside from a new player or blade dash

prime musk
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The skill cap is way higher for jp

long wadi
prime musk
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but the higher you go, the better jp gets

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unlike eclipse

long wadi
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the margin of error is still there compared to eclipse

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eclipse is a one trick pony at best

prime musk
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I think

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Clutch's shot

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should let you change the direction

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so u go sideways for it

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its not like the anime

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but it'd make it more viable

long wadi
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nothing is

prime musk
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quick should have a faster dash

long wadi
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quick should just be refreshed

prime musk
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and in awk, the auto dribble should last 35s

long wadi
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its an overglorified zone

prime musk
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Lockdown genius' move

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shouldn't end with most stuns

long wadi
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they couldve made quick a speedy off ball scorer like ray allen or klay

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not some chigiri ripoff

prime musk
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havne't seen blue lock so

long wadi
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its pretty clear

prime musk
long wadi
prime musk
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🧿

mellow path
long wadi
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i dont watch blue lock either chief

prime musk
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Fetch's floater should be usable in 3 zone

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its so easy to block anyway

long wadi
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nah

prime musk
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yeah

long wadi
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fetch shouldnt even have a floater

prime musk
long wadi
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its a defensive style

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its based on dennis rodman

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why does this have a floater instead of a block

prime musk
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only defensive style in the game is lock according to chrollo

long wadi
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chrollo barely plays his game

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i wouldnt be mad if it was like a dunk

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but a floater is just the most non dennis rodman thing

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a block wouldve been preferrable regardless

prime musk
long wadi
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it is

prime musk
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It's based on a guy in knb

long wadi
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have you seen the cover art

prime musk
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His whole thing is fetching the ball

long wadi
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for the fetch update

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its quite literally dennis rodman

prime musk
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gtg anyway

long wadi
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fetch isnt knb either idk where you got that

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chrollo hasnt even gotten to the part where the rebounding dude from kaijo gets introduced

ember cargo
turbid saffron
ember cargo
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Rodman wasn’t afraid to drag a mf down to the ground

long wadi
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throwing around malone is insane work 😭

ember cargo
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You see what he was doing to Shaq? 😭

long wadi
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that man gritty

turbid saffron
long wadi
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thatd be boring

turbid saffron
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clutch wont ever be buffed again prob

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and it wont change rarities either so they cant buff itmuch atall

long wadi
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realistically the mirage guy is more interesting as a style

turbid saffron
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who is mirage

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again

long wadi
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and seirins center

long wadi
ember cargo
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They got mirage shots in games already

long wadi
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kagamis brother

turbid saffron
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but like whatd he do i cant remember

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✌️

long wadi
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basically carmelo anthony

ember cargo
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He weaponized afterimages

turbid saffron
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ahh

ember cargo
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I forgot how it works technically

long wadi
ember cargo
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Slight of hand or quick shifts, I be forgetting

long wadi
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hes just very textbook

turbid saffron
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mirage would be cool yeah

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i see the vision

ember cargo
long wadi
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and seirins center

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pg/center hybrid would be something new

ember cargo
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Claw grip?

turbid saffron
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that brown hair guy

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would be fun

long wadi
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yeah

turbid saffron
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maybe a legendary or mythic

ember cargo
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I fw him but he got nothing original that isn’t already in bbz atp

long wadi
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i mean if theyre creative enough

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granted that is a big if

ember cargo
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I’d say a dunk/pass hybrid move could work for him, but people can already do that in base

long wadi
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hes also prolly the closest thing we might get to jokic in game

ember cargo
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They could do a lot with his right of postponement and vice claw the more I think about it actually

long wadi
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yeah

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plus he has playmaking potential

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he can switch between center and pg canonically

turbid saffron
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bump

hushed kindle
long wadi
turbid saffron
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bump

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bump

turbid saffron
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see

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2 different speeds

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when ur going backwards its a slower shot i guess

trim garnet
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But

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In Spider's dunk it's more noticeable because it lasts the same amount of time but at different distances (this has nothing to do with it)

neon vine
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bump

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bump

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bump

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bump

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bump

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bump

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but thats lowkey tuff

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keep going

long wadi
pliant rain
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people trying to justify perfection blink:

long wadi
pliant rain
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“yes i cant block the ball normally and get bailed out whenever i fail to do so”

long wadi
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one of the worst shadow buffs

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in bbz history

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actually its the worst

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whyd they make this infinite range bro

pliant rain
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“oh but its not guaranteed that we get it back”

pliant rain
long wadi
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the worst part about blink

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is that after an opponent shoots

pliant rain
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it may not guarantee getting it back but u literally are able ti 100% deny a shot

long wadi
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you can just walk up to them

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and press v

pliant rain
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and waste players abilities

long wadi
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AFTER thry shoot

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its so stupid

pliant rain
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exactly

snow elk
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Blink is so annoying bro like we get that it's an og style and all but we gotta chill out on the range

long wadi
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the ball could be touching the rim by then

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perf does not care

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he will drag the ball out the hoop

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and throw it away

snow elk
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it's just a better air freeze

pliant rain
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and STILL say its balanced

pliant rain
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with blink u can just do it

snow elk
long wadi
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they couldve given it an easier way to intercept passes but nope

snow elk
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blink is a move that you can just use because you feel like it

long wadi
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they decided infinite range

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was a better solutiom

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like why

snow elk
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idk what the point of adding Perfect Dunk was if Blink is just that op (besides for 2v2s)

long wadi
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perfect dunk adds nothing new either

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the layup perfect step

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does nearly the same thing

snow elk
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it's just boring honestly

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it has no reason to exist

long wadi
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they were like "yeah we are reworking perf"

pliant rain
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also perfection users say that the dribble and shot SUCKS

long wadi
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son yall added ONE (uno) (1) (ichi) move

snow elk
pliant rain
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when you literally can fadeaway 20 feet backwards and not get blocked???

snow elk
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everyone be getting a long ranged dunk now

long wadi
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but hey

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we can pretend its a tech

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because we CANNOT tell anymore

snow elk
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miku, lebron, ref, perf

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basketball god doesn't feel that special anymore

long wadi
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contact dunk aint even special no more

snow elk
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I sure do miss the time where you had to be near the hoop to dunk

long wadi
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i miss the times where moves were interactive

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what do you mean i have to press 1 button to do all that

snow elk
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fr

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that's why I like Genius' Lockdown because it's smth new that requires you to actually pay attention

pliant rain
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one thing i want to see are abilities that can only be used or show up after a certain action

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like instead of on ball vs off ball

snow elk
pliant rain
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say you only get an ability after u steal a ball

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or after u get anklebroken an ability option shows up

long wadi
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theres a lot of creativity

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open

pliant rain
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but for now its just on vs off ball

long wadi
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but they dont really try new things often

snow elk
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tbh

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at least the newer limiteds are somewhat more balanced than the first ones

long wadi
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we could do something with off ball scorers

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like after you pass

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you get an off ball kit

snow elk
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King and Air on release were a lot more sufferable than Chrollo and Tatlis on release

long wadi
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this would be really good with sniper

snow elk
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I doubt the devs will even think abt that tho

long wadi
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yep sadly

snow elk
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atp idk if I even wanna know what Gojo's moveset is gonna be

long wadi
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type knows

snow elk
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rlly?

long wadi
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he designed the concept

snow elk
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oohh

long wadi
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so i wouldnt be too worried

snow elk
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alr then

long wadi
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although the balancing

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and execution are up to the devs

snow elk
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tbh it's Gojo they're prob gonna make him op on release

long wadi
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so if it does go south i wouldnt blame it on him

snow elk
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Gojo in roblox games is fueled by hype and him being op will just incite kids to want to get him even more

long wadi
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pretty much

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i just wanna see grounded basketball styles with unique identities

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idk why they also havent gone through with removing unfitting styles

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it would be a pretty good refresh

snow elk
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yeah true

pliant rain
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if they choose the abilities i think they will

snow elk
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or at least make them limiteds

pliant rain
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then i have an idea for what it will be

snow elk
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like honestly I think Eclipse or Switcher should be limited or smth

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Eclipse just doesn't fit the roster man I hate seeing him there

long wadi
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a lot of styles need to be given the lazy rubber treatmemt

pliant rain
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for eclipse i actually made the triangle slash thing (the only balanced move imo lol)

snow elk
pliant rain
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originally it was actually supposed to be 3 dashes u could do in any direction

long wadi
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eclipse, unc, switcher, dealer, maybe ref

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they gotta go

pliant rain
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like this suggestion

snow elk
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maybe not ref

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he's fun

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like

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he's fitting for a miracle imo

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it's the ref

long wadi
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ref is somewhat tolerable now

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not like release ref

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we do not talk about release ref

snow elk
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yeah..

long wadi
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you know the funny thing about release ref is that

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it was attached to a rebalancing update

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it genuinely just rendered that part of the update null

snow elk
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fr

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the balancing update barely changed anything anyways

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tbh I think we all expected ref to be a limited

long wadi
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i dont even think

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i dont even think most of the changes were necessary

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why did tatlis get a buff bro

snow elk
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yeah

snow elk
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meta style getting buffed what are we doing bro

long wadi
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that tomfoolery had me perplexed

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flash buff was nice but did they really need to give it a stepback

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wouldve been better if it was a slashing move given its layup after quickstep drive

pliant rain
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now flash awk is broken busted

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and sniper is the only bad legendary now

long wadi
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lock as well

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actually

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lock is just mid

pliant rain
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for some reason the chem reaction only does 2 points

pliant rain
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but its still not the greatest ig

long wadi
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locks kit aged pretty badly

pliant rain
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i like that the steal cant be used for close passes anymore

long wadi
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rework it and give it a kawhi inspo

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with a similar skill ceiling to star

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we genuinely need more styles that are as well designed as star

pliant rain
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star was the only one they reworked so it ended up with a lot of moves

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its a very good all rounder

long wadi
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ace was reworked too

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and apparently phantom

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idk chrollo considers moving vanishing drive to base a rework

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so i guess we go with that

pliant rain
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phantom needs a better invisible move

snow elk
long wadi
pliant rain
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the pass for it is never used how its intended

long wadi
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like

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one thing that could be added to misdirection

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is like if you press the button again

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you dash in front of the nearest opponent

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so it makes intercepts easier

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genius pass genuinely shouldve been bullet pass

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kuroko was also pretty cracked at getting steals

snow elk
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honestly Phantom just doesn't feel like Kuroko imo

long wadi
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he needs a poke move of sorts

long wadi
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i made a rework for him way back when

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i had fun making it

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though i dont really keep it up anymore

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its still probably down there

snow elk
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tbh what is Phantom even gonna do with all the stuff we have in the game now

long wadi
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i found it

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i also did one for ace rework

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that one was probably more interesting

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#1376512718584025128 message

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mane these are ANCIENT

pliant rain
long wadi
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take me back to my suggestion glory days

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nah im just kidding that was lowkey a waste of time

snow elk
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the Ace suggestion is pretty cool

long wadi
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its very dated

snow elk
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yeah I can see that

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honestly I'm just gonna get level 20 and do some quality of life suggestion

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cuz it's rlly needed

long wadi
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yeah

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honestly the game needs to chill out a bit

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and do some patches

snow elk
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yeah def

long wadi
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the community is used to content droughts now anyway

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and they have the bm to keep them on their toes

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surely it wont hurt to do some patches here and there

snow elk
long wadi
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i guess yeha

snow elk
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even just little things like giving vampire his own theme would be nice

long wadi
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please give fetch a foul move

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thank you

snow elk
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just anything to replace floater

long wadi
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floater is such a weird move to add to a dennis rodman inspired style

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when was a eurostep floater a focal point in his skillset 😭

snow elk
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fr

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it's just so random

long wadi
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give it like a weaker skyhand sky leap hybrid

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but faster

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and against dunks it just fouls

turbid saffron
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its a slower shot completely

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unless ur talking animations maybe yeah

fossil light
turbid saffron
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cuz this sounds like a combo of 3 moves on a epic style 😭

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why use king star or silver

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bump

turbid saffron
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bumpp

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bump

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bumpppp

long wadi
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idk though chief you might have to investigate for that one

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just a very slight hunch

turbid saffron
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fetch is held back by floater

long wadi
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no it would not chief

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a move with similar start up to sky leap but has much shorter range and just swats the ball is not better

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literally worse than both moves

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idk wyoa

turbid saffron
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so it functions the same as sky leap but it hits the ball away

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king and silver just arent that good as much as iclike playing them

long wadi
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i dont think king has a manual block

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do you mean air

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king has flop

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thats a steal

turbid saffron
long wadi
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which you will see

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like

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once every 2 years

turbid saffron
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king has a foul move thats why i brought up king

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it happens so much tho

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its not really rare

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so wdym by foul move

long wadi
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the difference is king works with nearly anything else

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not just dunks

turbid saffron
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but still

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is this 100 percent

long wadi
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its still worse

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and still has a worse kit

turbid saffron
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then it would be better than king automatically

long wadi
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chief its no different than dashing and blocking

turbid saffron
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kings has a mid kit

long wadi
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its just a funnier looking block

turbid saffron
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with a awk that never worke

long wadi
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its still not worse than fetch kit chief idk wyoa

turbid saffron
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fundamentally it is most king players rely on their slow dunk and flop

long wadi
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it having a budget ultimate pass already puts it tiers above fetch

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yeah most king players are just not good

turbid saffron
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dive is very strong alone hence why ppl play fetch if u add a multipurpose move thats 100 percent if u use it in range its better than king

long wadi
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most players arent good in general

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idk what this argument is

turbid saffron
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ill use ur argument

long wadi
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then thats their problem

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not the styles

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dude thank you

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oh my days

turbid saffron
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still tho the budget ultimate pass is wrak if u can guard

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it instantly shoots 💔

long wadi
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because it wouldnt

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this dude just overreacting lol

turbid saffron
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king has a mid dunk mid pass bad defense move and nonexistent awk

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king is similar to what he suggested

long wadi
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i suggested a floater replacement

turbid saffron
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its more than an antidunk

long wadi
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the foul is literally just a visual effect

turbid saffron
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unless i read incorrectly

long wadi
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this isnt any different than dashing and blocking

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this is such a nothing burger issue bru 😭

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also youre forgetting the fact that it has a start up

turbid saffron
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if thats the case and its nothing different then it isnt a good suggestion

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💔

long wadi
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its a block

turbid saffron
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ill take a floater range buff atp

long wadi
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yeah this dude is just overreacting

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well that goes for star as well

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but sky leap is still good

turbid saffron
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if ur saying its just dashing and blocking then i don't see how its good

long wadi
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alright

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instinct dash is bad

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pressure is bad

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what else

turbid saffron
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instinct dash is not bad

long wadi
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pressure defense is bad

turbid saffron
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u said thats aces best move 😭😭

long wadi
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im going by your logic chief

turbid saffron
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epic 💔

long wadi
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a dash block is still super good

turbid saffron
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maybe elaborate with ur dash block

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then i can understand

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dash and block is very vague

long wadi
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brodie it isnt hard to grasp

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sky leap start up with less range but it swats the ball and works on dunks

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it genuinely cannot be this hard to grasp

turbid saffron
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see when you explain it now its not so bad

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ty

long wadi
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brodie

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i gave the exact description earlier

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😭

turbid saffron
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not like this no

long wadi
turbid saffron
#

so the swat does that have iframes like blink does after the swat

long wadi
turbid saffron
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how does that work

long wadi
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brother it was a suggestion im not making a whole concept for it

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it is not that deep

turbid saffron
long wadi
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brother

turbid saffron
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and atp ts not a dash its a jump

long wadi
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its quite literally

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REWORDED

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and with vert essentially

turbid saffron
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bump

long wadi
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genuinely the most nothing burger complaints man 😭

turbid saffron
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not rlly

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no need to reword it just say wym

long wadi
#

but i did

turbid saffron
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his kitd just so badly designed man

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✌️✌️✌️

long wadi
#

most kits are

turbid saffron
#

not that bad

long wadi
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the game is badly designed

#

actually

turbid saffron
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yeah but lets not

long wadi
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this goes for spider as well

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genuinely

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atrocious

turbid saffron
long wadi
#

no

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you cant tell me say hi and teamwork are functional moves

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HECK NAW

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literally

turbid saffron
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boom

long wadi
#

would be good if spider had a tool to assist w anklebreakers

turbid saffron
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usable

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no rework needed

long wadi
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more like bottom of the barrel rather than under the barrel

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say hi still garbage

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teamwork is never gonna be a good concept

turbid saffron
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how

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teamwork is only bad because of the startup

long wadi
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why do we even have to ask this

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and the fact that it just

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kills your teammate maybe

turbid saffron
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would work on loose balls so much

long wadi
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you might as well just

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grab the ball on feet by yourself

turbid saffron
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whats the point of looking at the spiderman when the balls across the court

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fym

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💔

long wadi
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you dont even have to look

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the soundbyte takes like 5 million years too

turbid saffron
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it has near half court range if im not wrong

long wadi
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its so obvious

turbid saffron
long wadi
#

its also incredibly janky

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like it tracks where the ball was rather than where the ball is

turbid saffron
#

again its a good concept but needs balancing and fixing

long wadi
#

no

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just change the move entirely

turbid saffron
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change say hu

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hi

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thats really all that needs changing

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yea

long wadi
#

yeah

turbid saffron
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requires a amkle break

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dumb

long wadi
#

thank you bro

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literally

turbid saffron
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teamwork would be mid but usable with buffs

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say hi just not good

long wadi
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all a buff is gonna do

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is bring it from f tier to d tier

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😭

turbid saffron
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give you a tool to retrieve loose balls at the VERY least

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spiders kit would be C tier at best

long wadi
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if i wanna get a loose ball im getting fetch

turbid saffron
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but i dont want it being strong anyways

turbid saffron
#

😭

long wadi
#

im talking practicality

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tendril dribble being say hi but w no requirements

turbid saffron
#

all cuz that damn steal

long wadi
#

funniest thing to ever happen

turbid saffron
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but teamwork goes farther

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so

long wadi
#

brother

#

you can literally get to the loose ball before the animation ends

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😭

turbid saffron
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teamwork is used a bunch as is and it works for loose balls enough

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but with buffs it could only be better

long wadi
#

yes it goes farther IF no one gets the ball before youre thrown

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i wouldnt even be mad if it was a guaranteed steal

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if you get hit by that

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you were caught lacking

turbid saffron
#

this isnt terrible

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tbh

long wadi
#

went from dumpster garbage to trash garbage

#

its an upgrade

turbid saffron
#

but a speed buff would still be warranted here

#

its like 3 seconds

long wadi
#

a best move would be a rework but we know theyre not doing that

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we getting like

#

two buffs at best

turbid saffron
#

but honestly i like this guys suggestion to make it steal

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im saying in a situation like if i block w skyhand

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teamwork would be effective there

long wadi
#

walking to the ball yields nearly the same result

turbid saffron
#

it sends ur tm8 flying and they have moves to use or just score when theyre over there

turbid saffron
#

unless ur walking at super speeds

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i fw that

long wadi
#

also

turbid saffron
#

gives it some use

#

but not strong at all

long wadi
#

remove half the animation for it

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literally just

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get to the throw part

turbid saffron
#

just reworded

#

ig

long wadi
#

he couldve just

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thwipped and threw

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but no he has to do it one by one

#

then spin

#

the spider in the trailer looks better than the one in the game im being so serious

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the thing they ended up doing was make something gimmicky

turbid saffron
#

he would at least be fun to use if his moves were better

#

not talking rework

long wadi
#

i would rather get a rework but i know full well all we getting is a buff

#

his roll away dunk

#

is also GARBUNGUS

turbid saffron
#

thats terrible

#

slowest dunk ever

long wadi
#

why does it last fifty million years with zero iframes

turbid saffron
#

and its blockable

turbid saffron
#

does he have any iframes at all

long wadi
#

lol

#

literally zero

turbid saffron
#

yea yea

long wadi
#

you have to play like you personally have the spider sense

turbid saffron
#

that move was where all the budget of that update went

#

the venom cutscenes r ugly

long wadi
#

when are cutscenes not buggy

#

sometimes i dont even see anyone in my cutscene

turbid saffron
#

i wonder how much of that was blackstar

long wadi
#

hallucination zero

long wadi
#

me in my crib chief

turbid saffron
#

awks like ghost u dont even know whats goin on cuz nobodys in place

#

silver reach is supposed to be blocking someone dunking

long wadi
#

the game is

#

not visually appealing anymore in general

turbid saffron
#

game just needs to stop adding new stuff

long wadi
#

sometimes i wonder what im even looking at

turbid saffron
#

and fix this slop

long wadi
#

the community is used to long stretches of no content and they have the bm to keep them at bay