nerf bb unc and joker???

[coral venture]

and are open making their way

to the 3 point line

[earnest current]

ur argument is that to counter it what if ur team cant stay on someone

[coral venture]

🤔

[earnest current]

even the best defenders can lose track

[coral venture]

no my argument is to not be stupid and just learn how to keep and eye on someone/defend them

[coral venture]

not saying you have to watch them the whole game

[earnest current]

yes this is just rewording what i said

[coral venture]

just saying maybe after they score and you know they're on joker

[viscid raven]

Everyone loses track. That’s why unc and joker exist

[coral venture]

MAYBE keep an eye on them

[coral venture]

???

[viscid raven]

Gets you to pay attention.

[coral venture]

why are we throwing out that

[earnest current]

this dude cant wrap his head around the fact people can lose track

[slow kettle]

Bro ts guy😭

[coral venture]

or just pay attention normally

[coral venture]

never said that??

[earnest current]

what happens on copycat and they copy the steal

what then

[coral venture]

unless you have adhd it can NOT be this hard to just stay on them

[earnest current]

since u cant predict who they copy

[coral venture]

can copycat copy joker?

[viscid raven]

If you pay attention to a joker, there is no reason the 50/50 should catch you off guard.

[earnest current]

probably lol

[coral venture]

EXACTLY

THANK YOU

[coral venture]

lemme check

[viscid raven]

Same with unc

[slow kettle]

Why should you pay attention when your on the attacking side?

[earnest current]

cupid kinda a point

[coral venture]

yeah it can

[earnest current]

see

so should you stay on a copycat the entire game

[coral venture]

maybe cause you know they're on joker and have a move that can teleport the ball to them

??

[viscid raven]

That’s the thing, you can’t play unless you are paying attention.

Unless you’re a noob that shoots while guarded.

[coral venture]

yeah the copy cat isnt always gonna copy that ability tho

[earnest current]

ok and

[coral venture]

so its 50% chance of the ability being copied

[earnest current]

he can still copy

[coral venture]

and another 50% of the ability working

since it's a 50/50 chance

25% chance he uses it to score

oh and smaller chance because out of 5 people he's not always gonna score the ball

[earnest current]

yo doesnt joker have like 3 moves

[coral venture]

1 is

the invis one

but it shares a ce

cd

[viscid raven]

Not trying to be disrespectful but if you are losing to a joker or an unc, it’s a skill/luck issue

[coral venture]

with the teleport one

[earnest current]

??

[coral venture]

and then the dribble/movement move is by itself

[earnest current]

so losing to unc is a still issue

[coral venture]

what i've been trying to say the whole time

[viscid raven]

Or luck

[slow kettle]

UNC??? Your literally dribbling and he hits the cane effect. Theres nothing that can be done

[coral venture]

i mean the steal is kind of annoying

[coral venture]

there's a small window

where you can steal it back

before they dribble actually

[earnest current]

very small

[coral venture]

most people are just unexpected caught off guard

[earnest current]

after you get ball stolen

and you react

[coral venture]

that they got the all stolen from them

[viscid raven]

His cane doesn’t have any iframes fr, just take it back.

[earnest current]

you can barely do it

[coral venture]

that they dont have enough time

but after a while it gets easier to react

imo at least

[earnest current]

you get ball stolen

you react

[coral venture]

for me basketball unc is only annoying because the pass move looks like a normal pass

[earnest current]

human reaction time is like

[coral venture]

so when they get the ball back im slower to react

[earnest current]

.7 seconds

somewhere around that

right

[viscid raven]

Y’all compared it to Tatlis…. 🫩

[slow kettle]

Nah it's easy to know

[earnest current]

and uncs move is pretty fast

[slow kettle]

Yh same thing?

[coral venture]

.25 seconds

[earnest current]

theres also the issue with unpredictability

and distance

what im trying to say is by the time you reacted to it and tried to steal the person on unc already dribbled

[coral venture]

distance isnt too far

[viscid raven]

No, it’s really not.

[coral venture]

most of the time you can steal it from them

[earnest current]

idk u could be the flash

[coral venture]

unless you're unlucky

and he uses it from like

[earnest current]

not move of the time

[slow kettle]

Whats the difference then😭

[coral venture]

the farthest possible distance

[earnest current]

ive played against an unc enough time i havent stolen ball back once

[coral venture]

true, paired with the unc zone it's kinda braindead

but atp i just focus on blocking the ball

or pass

[viscid raven]

The difference between tatlis and unc is one steal is guaranteed and the other is luck based.

Your entire unc gameplay can totally suck due to bad luck.

[coral venture]

yeah might have to work on reaction time then

🤷

[earnest current]

no its pretty fast

i dont think its reaction time

[coral venture]

same thing with prime tatlis puddle move

[earnest current]

more of another op chrollo style

[coral venture]

no you can most definitely react to it

[earnest current]

i have

[coral venture]

chrollo is reactable too

[earnest current]

everyone can

[coral venture]

dribble is annoying

but the shot has vfx

is you're close enough

you should be able to block it

but its kinda weird

[earnest current]

ur just making stuff up

[coral venture]

??

how

[viscid raven]

The puddle move, yeah but atleast tatlis has those separate. Unc, you have to choose to steal or wait to stun.

[slow kettle]

Real

[coral venture]

the shot has black vfx

[earnest current]

if were talking about chrollos half court

[coral venture]

oh that has vfx too

its just harder to react to

[earnest current]

thats not reactable

[coral venture]

most definitely is

[earnest current]

most definitely isnt

[coral venture]

he starts posing first

[slow kettle]

Gng are you deaduzz rn

[coral venture]

before the shot vfx/shot release

[coral venture]

yeah negative elo demon i am

[earnest current]

yes all of this in under even half a second

[coral venture]

yup, but when tatlis' puddle move was also off ball steal move it was basically a better version of current unc cane move

[coral venture]

human reaction time is average of 0.25 seconds

[viscid raven]

It is but not if your not really expecting it, it can totally catch you off guard

[coral venture]

hand eye coordination can vary tho

[earnest current]

ok thats what i said under half a second

[coral venture]

between person to person

[earnest current]

hey buddy

[coral venture]

so i dont blame you for complaining

[earnest current]

idk if you know this but 0.25 seconds is average

[coral venture]

yeah

[earnest current]

im pretty sure im at least average

[slow kettle]

Bro just 🍟➡👜

[viscid raven]

I guess you’re right, I almost forgot about that.

[earnest current]

so me not being able to react to chrollos move

[coral venture]

maybe not on defense

[earnest current]

and its by just a tad

same guy who defended joker btw

anyways

[coral venture]

yeah i think its in a good place

[earnest current]

me not bing able to react to chrollo half court

[coral venture]

lowk chrollo harder to react/counter

[earnest current]

by barely anything

[coral venture]

than joker

[earnest current]

proves to me that its op

[slow kettle]

Nah too far

[earnest current]

same with ordinary shot

[coral venture]

chrollo has potentially free 9 points, while joker is max 6

wait nvm

[earnest current]

wheres the free 9

[coral venture]

joker has the weird

dribble move

[slow kettle]

😭

[coral venture]

normal 3, dribble move into 3, then green shot move

[viscid raven]

Y’all know my standing on these styles, just pay attention and you shouldn’t have any issues.

[earnest current]

what

normal 3

[coral venture]

https://tenor.com/view/free-memes-i'm-free-memes-memes-i'm-free-funny-memes-gif-10972000631485613839

[earnest current]

what the hell is a normal 3

is it just shooting

[coral venture]

like

no moves

yeah

[slow kettle]

These diabolical takes😂

[coral venture]

just open 3

[earnest current]

thats not apart of the style

[coral venture]

or contested 3 and you make it

[earnest current]

its apart of the game

[coral venture]

okay then both are guranteed 6 points max

but joker still easier to react too

dribble doesnt go as far

[earnest current]

no because you can react to half court right

[coral venture]

and stun is weird so sometimes you dont get stunned

[earnest current]

cuz you SWEAR its reactable

[coral venture]

yeah

[earnest current]

so thats 3 points for chrollo

[viscid raven]

Diabolical takes? What do y’all want? Training wheels?

[earnest current]

but what if someone is goal tending

[coral venture]

with what

[earnest current]

or catches up to ur dribble

oh well

no free points

[coral venture]

[earnest current]

silver

giant

[coral venture]

we serious

[earnest current]

star

[coral venture]

yeah sure

[earnest current]

plenty of things

[coral venture]

but im talking about on average

you're gonna get

[earnest current]

uncs wheelchair move

[coral venture]

at best

6 points

[earnest current]

aces instinct dribble

[slow kettle]

Yhh this can happen using flash

[earnest current]

psychics teleportation

[coral venture]

if you dont get stunned yeah sure

im talking about at best tho

[earnest current]

theres other things

[coral venture]

the best they can get is 6 points

[earnest current]

doesnt matter if ur stunned or not

you can catch up with those moves

[coral venture]

okay

so now you're defending my argument about abilities being able to counter joker

[slow kettle]

gng how is he

[coral venture]

i said earlier

things like flash/ace dash

giant, silver, star

can block a 3 that a joker user tries to make

[earnest current]

hes saying joker can be countered with those types of moves

[coral venture]

any style can

[earnest current]

yes because you swear that joker is counterable

[coral venture]

if you're gonna make the argument for chrollo being counterable

then i can make the same for joker

arguable an easier style to react/counter

[coral venture]

because it is

[slow kettle]

But it doesn't make sense when ur attacking all of you are on one side except the joker dude so u want me to ace dash full court?

[earnest current]

surs

[viscid raven]

Bro literally with joker, all ya gotta do is take the ball after that, wait 5 seconds, those idiots are always ready to try to bait you

[coral venture]

yeah i dont think you're gonna be full court by the time they use the joker ability

[coral venture]

EXACTLY

[smoky crag]

wsp gng

[viscid raven]

It’s the EASIEST thing to counter

[coral venture]

okay

idk about EASIEST

[earnest current]

hi

theres this dude named syn defending jokers steal

[coral venture]

if they use like raw sniper move

thats probably easier

unless they have animalistic

or like a raw 3 pointer with no pump fake or ability

[viscid raven]

Fair but still, there’s other things worse like, sniper with animalistic

[coral venture]

i guess defending is saying that it's reactable/able to be countered/doesn't change the outcome of games

[coral venture]

yeah

and btw countered means both offense and defense

if they score a 3 with the joker ability

you can score one right back

[smoky crag]

eh idgaf

[earnest current]

ok

imagine this

[smoky crag]

but wanan make a concept

[earnest current]

someones on ace

right

[viscid raven]

I’m intrigued

[coral venture]

yeah

[smoky crag]

aight dm me

[coral venture]

if you're on ace and your team has ball after joker scored

only place you cant defend from

[earnest current]

and 5 seconds to get as far away from their side as possible

[coral venture]

is the person who starts with the ball that has to pass

[coral venture]

???

[earnest current]

probably to the other side

[coral venture]

you're not gonna be on their side

[earnest current]

no ur not listening

[coral venture]

no you arent

theres not enough time

for you to go to their side of the court

[earnest current]

so you just dont wanna listen

[viscid raven]

Nah, I don’t do DMs- just go ahead and post your suggestion and let me know

[coral venture]

and them to be on yours

by the time they use the ability

that's over 5 seconds

[earnest current]

ok so syn clearly doesnt wanna hear what im about to say so ig im right about joker being op

[coral venture]

tell me then

[smoky crag]

dawg i am making a concept... so dm me and try and help me

[slow kettle]

How do you expect casual players to react to joker?

[smoky crag]

also ru a muslim or do you just have arabic text on your user.

[earnest current]

so the team without the joker is going to the side of the court with jokers team

like the opposite side

[coral venture]

casual reaction time

casual understanding of the game

im a casual player

[viscid raven]

Why would you be on that side?

[coral venture]

i dont touch ranked

and i still know how the game works

[earnest current]

ciel im not talking to you

anyways

[coral venture]

they dont have to be going there

[smoky crag]

theres more to it gng

[coral venture]

they just start with the ball

[smoky crag]

but you dont needa do allat

[coral venture]

not everyone's gonna go straight to try to shoot

[earnest current]

so all the ppl on the enemy team is on the other side right

[smoky crag]

@viscid raven also I might aswell just block you gng

[coral venture]

???

[smoky crag]

pmo

[viscid raven]

It’s a font, my friend made it but I didn’t know it was Arabic, thanks for letting me know

[coral venture]

what happened to defending

[smoky crag]

np

[viscid raven]

Go ahead bro. Idc

[earnest current]

is this dude serious

[smoky crag]

https://tenor.com/view/kentucky-ballistics-pet-insolent-lunarian-thug-gif-1092288931626595188

https://tenor.com/view/picollo-meme-piccolo-piccolo-meme-piccolo-ishowspeed-gif-10037849242678011202

[coral venture]

yes?

we arent all robot drones who just go straight to the 3 point line to wait for a pass

[viscid raven]

lol

[smoky crag]

@earnest current get your ahh outta here you and I gotta make a concept

[earnest current]

syn do you need extra time after tests

[coral venture]

sometimes we know what spatial awareness is

[earnest current]

hold on

[slow kettle]

Real

[smoky crag]

yoru taking too long gng

[coral venture]

yeah i use the extra time to process what you say

[earnest current]

sometimes we forget because were on offense

and we have ball trying to score

the main focus rn

[coral venture]

yeah sometimes we forget to maybe look at someone who's wide open on the other team

when we KNOW they just scored

and we KNOW they're on joker

and we KNOW joker has a steal move

MAYBE

just MAYBe

we hold the ball for 5 seconds

[viscid raven]

Indeed!

[coral venture]

to make it so they cant use their ability

MAYBE then

[earnest current]

this guy takes extra time after tests

[coral venture]

we can focus on moving upcourt

[viscid raven]

Hold up I got a clip!!!

[coral venture]

to score

[earnest current]

hey buddy not everyone is the perfect defender

not everyone stays on someone

[coral venture]

not saying you have to be

[earnest current]

even tho theyre on offense

so its just a 4v4

[coral venture]

not saying you have to

im saying at least keep in mind

that maybe the guy with joker that just scored

might use the ability

that teleports the ball to him

to try and score

[earnest current]

yes but ur on offense

and most people dont think while playing this game

[slow kettle]

Rs!!

[coral venture]

then get off the game

[earnest current]

so no its not counterable ur js special

[coral venture]

play grow a garden

or those brainrot games

[coral venture]

yeah special enough to counter it

[earnest current]

bro what are we talking about

[coral venture]

im saying

that

[earnest current]

ur talking about grow a garden

[coral venture]

yeah

because you said

[earnest current]

did we realize were wrong about ts

[coral venture]

most people dont think

when they play bbz

are we serious?

[coral venture]

do you realize what context clues are

[earnest current]

did i say i dont think

[coral venture]

or responses are

[halcyon salmon]

the ability that slows you down for like what 30 whole minutes

[coral venture]

yeah but im saying that grow a garden/brainrot games

[halcyon salmon]

with like what a 3 second cooldown

[coral venture]

dont require thinking

[earnest current]

ok cool this game doesnt either

[coral venture]

yeah maybe the slow should last a shorter amount of time

[earnest current]

in the description it literally says the game is easy to play

[coral venture]

or have a longer cd

[coral venture]

easy to play doesnt meant no thinking

compared to grow a garden/brainrot games

[halcyon salmon]

the slow should cap at at 2-3 people

[coral venture]

definitely takes more

[halcyon salmon]

not the entire team for 5 whole minutes

[earnest current]

literally if my 3 year old nephew were on joker he could probanly drop 20 on everyones heads

[coral venture]

honestly whole team doesnt matter

just nerf the cd/duration

i think slowing the whole team

makes miku better

otherwise it's just a worse bbg

cause basketball god has a dribble

or 2 actually

[halcyon salmon]

it has a tatlis steal

on the awk

if anything bbg need a buff or smth

[coral venture]

yeah bbg has 6 guranteed points in awk

[halcyon salmon]

5

[coral venture]

pretty sure the dunk is a 3 pointer

[halcyon salmon]

no its a dunk

2 points

[coral venture]

dunk from half court?

thats a 2

really

[earnest current]

its 2 bud

[halcyon salmon]

its the same thing for psychic

[coral venture]

lemme check

[coral venture]

oh that flucuates for me

ive had it be 2 and 3 points

[halcyon salmon]

doubt you ever got any 3 points

on that move

anywho to stay on topic

[coral venture]

they might have changed it

[halcyon salmon]

nerf popstar slow duration and cd

[coral venture]

i think the fact that it slows everyone keeps it viable

for use

cause like you also cant move

during it

so if you time it wrong

they could just score

[halcyon salmon]

yeah but the stun can stay for like 2 whole plays

[coral venture]

i think it's 1.5 considering 1 of those plays is your team if they score

[halcyon salmon]

its a fair trade of for basically halting the entire enemy team

[halcyon salmon]

I mean with the team not being able to move its much easier to steal the ball

with a jp steal, venom, spider

and all that

[coral venture]

yeah

i doubt all of those styles would be on 1 team tho

[halcyon salmon]

jp is probably the most common used style so

[coral venture]

really

i dont see too many

[halcyon salmon]

and the move bypasses i frames on occasion

[coral venture]

maybe like 1 every 5 games

[halcyon salmon]

most common used mythic I meant

[coral venture]

oh yeah

ive been seeing more giants

[coral venture]

dont think your 3 year old nephew would be able to understand how to play bbz

[halcyon salmon]

anyway I hope next weeks limited is a lot better so people will stop using popstar

[coral venture]

might be worse for you since supposedly it's lebron james style

but it probably wont have any stun moves like popstar

probably more focused on dunking/offense and defense

[halcyon salmon]

anything thats not a stun that you can do nothing about it I can handle

[halcyon salmon]

it would be nice to see nba players though

instead of just Knb and reference limiteds

[viscid raven]

It’s not 30 minutes but I see your points- a while team of them is annoying.

W clip? It is imo

[halcyon salmon]

if only my mates had as much game sense as you

W clip

[halcyon salmon]

It needs a WAY shorter stun duration and a bit of a longer cd

[viscid raven]

True!

[viscid raven]

Thanks bro!

[thick cosmos]

This is such a stupid answer lmao

You could say the same for every op abililty thats been released

Full court green from chrollo?

Just play good defense

Tatlis guaranteed snap steal?

Play good defense and get it back

Venom stole the ball from you?

Dw play amazing defense and get it back

So dumb😂

[raw oasis]

He's probably the type of guy to say pre-nerf Vampire's Freeze was "Balanced" and just not to get near him 💀

[thick cosmos]

He'd probably say to just play good defense and get it back

[static wigeon]

jokers base kit is unreal

[buoyant leaf]

people like you genuinely

make me angry

😭

true rage is felt

in every bone of my body

[coral venture]

i mean if you wanna argue sure bro

but unlike some people im not a negative elo demon

🤷

[coral venture]

btw i just had a game where i missed 8 of jokers wild card move in a row

[tidal terrace]

Dunk over heaven always has been a 3

Since release its a 3 unless u used it in the 2pt line I think?

True power also a 3

Always been 3s unless used in 2 area

There's a good reason for that

Both of them don't touch the 2pt line, only the rim

[coral venture]

think you have to use it near half court

otherwise it wont work

a text pops up like "have to be near middle"

or something

[woven swift]

Me when people said pre-nerf vampire's freeze was balanced:

https://tenor.com/view/what-gif-2773712783314774774

Tbf off ball guaranteed steal + stun wasnt balanced at all

I have vampire style

I can confirm its unbalanced when its pre-nerfed

No global cd btw

[merry bone]

Your parents didn't tell you to think before you act?

[thick cosmos]

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

[merry bone]

I'm serious

How would I defend a full court green?

[thick cosmos]

Whats wrong with my statement

[thick cosmos]

Snatch, blink, luffy

[merry bone]

Luffy you would get it stolen, snatch doesn't help and not everyone has cell

[thick cosmos]

Wym snatch doesn't help

[merry bone]

Try again

[thick cosmos]

Are u dumb💀

[merry bone]

No

[thick cosmos]

Its legit one of the main counters to full court green

[merry bone]

If chrollo is like right there

[thick cosmos]

Does your dumbah need proof

Cuz i got footage

[merry bone]

Oh you talking about the goaltending?

I mean go ahead if you wanna get banned

[thick cosmos]

Yeah he doesn't know

[merry bone]

I do know

[thick cosmos]

Ill go ahead and show this dumbah what im talking about

[merry bone]

Snatch has a dead zone

And can't catch something at a point

I know this for a fact

The only possible way you can get it is by goaltending

[thick cosmos]

Watch the clip and see how dumb you look

[merry bone]

You are so dumb

GIANT WAS RIGHT THERE

And you did green

[thick cosmos]

Bro was at half court💀

Not only are you blind

[merry bone]

Right there

[thick cosmos]

You're stupid as well

[merry bone]

Half court green is snatch able

[thick cosmos]

I was at the other side

[merry bone]

Well atp half court

[thick cosmos]

Oh nah

Youre actually stupid

You dont even know what half court means

[merry bone]

Nah atp I'm trolling

[thick cosmos]

"Im trolling" says every dumbah that gets proven wrong

[merry bone]

Like gng if giant half court and you do green full court, where it can't get it's full height/speed, it'll snatch it

[tidal terrace]

https://tenor.com/view/discord-drama-discorddrama-gif-22395692

[merry bone]

Back to what you were saying about other styles

[thick cosmos]

Oh? Didn't you say you can only snatch it by goaltending?

Look how stupid u look

@tidal terrace you seeing this dude?

[merry bone]

I was talking about you being center and they pass back to you, not when you lit do chaos on their pass and do green with giant right there

[thick cosmos]

"Giant right there" bro was at half and I was at full court😂

Bro is a generational dumbah

[tidal terrace]

I got nothing to do with this argument

[merry bone]

He was at the logo actually

[tidal terrace]

I don't play giant nor chrollo

[thick cosmos]

Keep watching the clip and just learn how stupid you look

Bye

[merry bone]

Gng you still look even stupider

"Defend if they use tendril snatch or defend if tatlis steals"

And plus I was talking about prenerf chrollo where the ball went higher

And me and you can both agree that wasn't no prenerf chrollo

Look at you

And you don't even address other op styles like Miku, BB unc and joker

[quick aurora]

that giant was NOT right there 😭

but yes

green is snatchable from anywhere

so long as the giant is in the path of the ball

silver can do the same

only cuz green doesnt get the height lucky shot does

[merry bone]

It used to but they nerfed it

[merry bone]

He was RIGHT there

[woven swift]

me casually wondering how can i dribble if tatlis steals (it somehow bypassed the dribble)

[fading kelp]

Oh well

Rip everyone got sell by tatlis and basketball unc and

Joker's wild card was bug happen

[quick aurora]

tatlis always bypasses dribble

just remember they're tatlis and pass when they get close

they cant steal off a shoot form so always fake when hes nearby

[earnest current]

son

[earnest current]

no he doesnt bypass rubberman auto dribble

[buoyant leaf]

Yoooo relax I was rage baiting he just didn’t take it 😭 😭 💔

[zealous scarab]

Ig joker not gonna get nerf

[earnest current]

son

[vocal hearth]

Joker is just dookie because why the heck does the ball be teleporting to it hands

[tawny prism]

wild card

50/50 chance to get it back

[lament cipher]

yes

nerf them

[winter jay]

“Red isn’t good enough” whose saying that his dribble is the most op in the game

[coral venture]

i feel like it might be cause i either get it 50% of the time or i dont get it 7-8 times in a row in 1 game

[brave pasture]

golds dribble is better

stuns more people + unblockable pass

bench is a worse reskin of street dribble

even the same animations and trajectory too

[tawny prism]

Not really golds dribble has longer distance unlike bench a bit shorter

[merry bone]

It's block able alright the arts of prediction

[merry bone]

Bench distance is dependant on how many people you stun

[brave pasture]

you cannot normally block elbow pass

what

i dont know how long youve been playing the game but elbow pass is unblockable

[woven swift]

pls nerf psychic 😭

[merry bone]

So is every pass, but yet I still leaped them in these recent times

I leaped emp pass like a month ago

[brave pasture]

"normally block"

[merry bone]

I'm not talking about raw steal

[brave pasture]

cool

im talking about normal blocks

we all know that unblockable refers to normal blocks because abilities bypass whats blockable and what isnt

[merry bone]

Unblockable means you can't intercept it at all

Yet

I can intercept with star

[brave pasture]

moves that cannot be intercepted are referred to as uninterceptible

[merry bone]

No unblockable

[brave pasture]

moves that cannot be blocked are unblockable

[merry bone]

Gng

[brave pasture]

literally

refer it to the term its meant to be used for

nobody is talking about interceptions when it comes to blocks

interceptions are considered as steals

yes we know star giant and other defensive moves of the sort can bypass ability passes

we just refer to it as unblockable because its yk

not blockable normally

[merry bone]

Let's go back to when they indirectly nerfed lock by making abilities unblockable/intercept able with abilities (star leap lit is used to block)

[flint condor]

star can still do it

somone stole my gold pass a while ago

like obv after that update where abilities cannot block moves that are “unblockable “

[merry bone]

Did I say it couldn't

[flint condor]

oh mb then by the “ star lit used to block” i thought u referred to star being used to block as in past tense

[merry bone]

In last and present tense

[cunning depot]

actually

remove joker ability at this point

theres no way

that i literally have the ball he uses wild card and just shoots it

and when i do it it doesnt even work

[tawny prism]

Joker is 50/50

Sooo your luck is cooked

Dont blame the game

XD

[cunning depot]

still

they should just like

make it unusable during check ups

[tawny prism]

Its unusable already during check ups

[shut flax]

Yh dont remove it but make it to 50% to 30%
And the invisibility isn't that bad
Its need no nerf

And unc basketball just make the auto steal from 75% to 50%
And the stun just 1 opponent take it

[zealous scarab]

I mean it not that overpowered somehow I always get the ball back when someone used it

[buoyant rain]

Joker is ight

Bbu is a problem

[earnest current]

fym 50% 30% where's the other 20%

[shut flax]

Is it 20% already?

Bro the wild card is 50 : 50
So its op
U can make it 30% successful and 70% failed

[merry bone]

Doesnt matter if it's 50/50, it gives too much of an advantage

[ocean stag]

It's a zero counter play rng move. Wow it sure is fun watching a guy teleport the ball after someone took the ball fair. I'd rather they give joker another move.

At least the obnoxious Tatlis steal needs to hit you. Doesn't matter if people say "it's not op" even if it wasn't it's incredibly unfun to play against

[delicate bay]

Love when a game fixes your mistakes, don't ya? Gee I sure do love seeing the ball dissappear after I took it because you decided not to pass 🙄

Like

What's the point of this other than to be annoying

It's just

Fixing mistakes that shouldn't be made in the first place

Nobody's perfect

But this is ridiculous

[compact canopy]

they both need a massive nerf. joker having a guarenteed steal is so unfair especially in ranked

[merry bone]

It's 50/50, but I still find it stupid

[delicate bay]

Not even a steal

[compact canopy]

it can steal but as he said its a 50/50

ppl who beg for the style not to be nerfed genuinly have a skill issue

its crazy

[thick cosmos]

Its not as simple as a steal

You could do the dumbest thing in the game and still get away 50% of the time

And most of the time that 50% leads to an open 3 pointer

Joker encourages bad skilled players to be risky and just chuck random stuff

Because they can just simply score back 50% of the time

[lament ingot]

Shut the hell up baldy

[earnest current]

ragebait

[coral venture]

so can most of the styles

[thick cosmos]

No other styles has a get out of jail free card aside from hoker

Joker

Joker can get a turnover, wait a couple seconds, use the ability and most of the time he will be open because everyone is running on offense

[coral venture]

acting like watching people on the court isnt a thing

and that you can get back 6 points/tie

or just playing semi-decent defense

[thick cosmos]

Youre missing the point completely gng

Joker encourages bad gameplay

In what world is that good for the game

Also joker can still activate wild card after scoring

[thick cosmos]

So this becomes invalid

In no world is that balanced

[short hearth]

most people dont man to man guard like that so a majority of the time if you dont mark the joker yourself then he gets away with anything theres also the chance he doesnt get the ball and that leads to your team missing a guy on offense

[coral venture]

so you can literally use joker too

[coral venture]

yeah so realize after the first time that he's using joker

[thick cosmos]

Doesn't fix the problem gng

Stop avoiding that joker is a problem

And needs to be nerfed

Fighting fire with fire is not the solution

[coral venture]

i barely see jokers idk why you're complaining

[coral venture]

50% is bad enough

especially if you have bad luck

one time i had 8 failed wild cards in a game

[short hearth]

again if you mark him and he doesnt get the ball your team is missing a tm8 on offense

[thick cosmos]

Doesn't change the fact that he needs to be nerfed

[short hearth]

most people dont memorize ability cooldowns either so again the problem persists

[thick cosmos]

Your bad luck doesn't automatically mean that it becomes a bad style

[short hearth]

50% is very generous for a move that can basically give you free points

[thick cosmos]

The fact the the only counter to joker is being unlucky should tell you enough of how broken it is

[coral venture]

5v5 is even numbers you dont need to outnumber a team to get possession of the ball

[coral venture]

doesn't change the fact that you have a skill issue

[coral venture]

never said it was i just said that it has no need for a nerf

[thick cosmos]

Bro is using joker and says im the one with skill issues💀

What a bum

[coral venture]

multiple moves in the game that can block/steal back from a joker who uses wild card

[coral venture]

so me using joker and missing 8 wild cards in ONE game means i play joker 😂

[thick cosmos]

If you cant beat em, join em ah arguement

[coral venture]

if you're complaining this much it either means you dont have joker yourself or you're bad at the game

[thick cosmos]

I've had joker since the first hour it released gng, and if you cant clearly see the problem with joker then that would mean you rely on the skill just to get by

I bet you think pre nerfed vamp was also balanced

Your whole arguement is quite literally, "its 50% just get luck"

[coral venture]

if i was relying on the skill to get by i would be worse at the game than you

[coral venture]

and your whole argument is "im bad at the game and cant play defense or watch someone with my eyes, nerf joker"

[thick cosmos]

"Just use joker if they use joker"

[coral venture]

or use any other style that gives you a free 3 point?

dribble moves exist

steal moves exist

passing to your tms exist

[thick cosmos]

Lmao bro is saying im bad at the game while not even knowing how unbalanced joker is

[coral venture]

learning how to defend/block exists

[thick cosmos]

"Learn how to defend" gng you cant stop a joker from using a wild card after they scored

[inner bone]

They should just make it so you can't wild card right after a goal

[coral venture]

why are you complaining so much about joker being unbalanced if you're only complaining about wild card

[coral venture]

yeah but you can mark them after you realize they're on joker

🧠

and then easily defend any 3 point they make

???

basic defense

[thick cosmos]

Acting like they dont got teamates with offensive abilities, it doesn't change the fact they got the ball again after scoring

If you wanna keep thinking thats balanced then please stay delusional

[coral venture]

acting like your tms are gonna be dumb enough to let them stay open

[coral venture]

doesnt change the fact that you have a skill issue if you aren't able to regain possesion of the ball

[thick cosmos]

You can keep using your braindead style

[coral venture]

not even my main style lol

you're arguing with a chuck main

😂

[thick cosmos]

Not gonna talk to someone who calls others skill issue while using joker💀

[coral venture]

w block tho

[thick cosmos]

Explains alot

Have fun at pubs

[coral venture]

oh yeah i use joker 1 time and that makes me no skill and braindead, while you cant bother to use your eyes to keep watch of 1 person and their ability, mark someone and stay on them to defend them from making a 3 pointer/passing to their teammate, have no trust in your tms to guard other people if they get the ball, and use your own skill and abilities to score back the points you lost

[coral venture]

who uses chuck in pubs 😭

[short hearth]

in a majority of lobbies and in ranked games i play almost no one guards consistenly and its harder to deny passes due to desync and ping differences and a joker being unpredictable with wild card does not help considering the requirements for wild card itself does not work the way it was written

[coral venture]

that's on your teammates then, (to be fair most of the playerbase has like 50iq and 30wpm max), and personally i wait to block the pumpfake/shot instead of trying to intercept their passes

[worldly crest]

Holy yap

[short hearth]

yeah i do the same but again the move still exists and in 2s its arguably the most annoying move to exist

[coral venture]

theres pretty good dunk moves/dribble/stun moves that are annoying as well

[short hearth]

most of those are blockable or can be followed up on tho or countered in some way

wild card has no wind up or activation window that can be countered aside from the user turning purple

[coral venture]

playing defense

using eyes

(no offense to blind people)

[short hearth]

still doesnt change the fact that its a move that can give you instant possesion of the ball regardless of where it is on the court

playing defense can only do so much

[coral venture]

not if you're smart enough

you can argue all you want no move is broken enough/game changing enough that it completely dominates the whole game, ive seen more jackpot, giant, tatlis, and cyber users than jokers

[short hearth]

your still ignoring that fact that its a move that promotes high reward low risk gameplay on top of it being spammable by multiple jokers

the requirements for it to activate are very loose as well

[coral venture]

all they need to do is add a longer global cd then

[brave pasture]

or actually add repercussions for when the move fails

lol

people just throw wild card out there because theres no downside to failing

50/50 chance is incredibly generous for something with that high of a reward and works beyond its intended purpose

give people a reason to not randomly throw out the move

[coral venture]

repercussion is you dont get the ball

[brave pasture]

not a repercussion

you use wild card when you dont have the ball

if you fail you still... dont have the ball

theres zero downside

[onyx elm]

i think the main issue is the ability to use wild card immediately after inbound in 5v5s. i wouldn't mind having a complete rework or scrapping of wild card for a new move

[smoky crag]

yo youre a new person here

fun

:D

[onyx elm]

you can't defend it really if as soon as you give the ball to your tm8 the opponents just walk forward, press wild card, and shoot a 3 for free

[onyx elm]

😀

[smoky crag]

wana do something i am bored

[onyx elm]

no

[smoky crag]

youre already no fun 💔🥀

[onyx elm]

🦎

[smoky crag]

well check out a new suggestion I made

its called party mode

could be something chill

and fun yk

[onyx elm]

alright, i'll read it

[smoky crag]

yay

[tender turret]

That makes 0 sense cause if that happens nobody will use it and then you would complain about another style just to get a move removed the list goes on and on brother

[onyx elm]

not many styles need a move outright removed

i think joker is one of the ones i agree with that need a move deleted from its kit and replaced with a different one

[earnest current]

what does this even mean

im having a hard time even reading this

[lament ingot]

Because your stupid and bald

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-thumbs-up-cat-orange-gif-10042866681887269025

[merry bone]

Repercussions is like chuck

[tender turret]

It means even if your suggestion did happen you would just complain about another move on another style to get it removed in the end im saying that your suggestion makes no sense and you dont have a valid reason to get the moves removed/nerfed

[short hearth]

see but like the wild card needs either a nerf or for the requirements for its activation to not be so loose

alot of moves in this game need a nerf were just mostly yapping abt joker

[coral venture]

nerfing joker in any way rn would make it worse than a miracle/limited

[short hearth]

it really wouldnt he still has the dribble and his awk isnt that bad they would just need to buff his invis in some way

[tender turret]

Unc i understand joker tho not really cause his wild card is horrible when it comes to luck unc’s cane makes 0 sense it hits 100% of the time atleast wild card feels like a 50/50

[coral venture]

oh but tatlis, chrollo, basketball unc, and styles like copycat are fine and dont need a nerf

🧠

[short hearth]

? no those styles do need a nerf nobody is saying they dont

cept copycat copycat is fine where its at balance wise

[merry bone]

Good

[merry bone]

Cc fine the rest needs nerf

[short hearth]

uncs cane is 75/25 so its more likely to hit than miss wild card is 50/50 but it has way too much reward for a single push of a button

[tender turret]

Also talk to spider man

[short hearth]

?

[tender turret]

Spider mans ult legit can be used as they pass the ball

So say i score and my enemy team passes the ball i can instantly pop his ult move infinite distance

Far close doesn’t matter spider legit is busted

[short hearth]

thats fine considering its just one move and his other one just dribbles automatically also its in his awk

[short hearth]

if you think spiders busted i think you need a skill check man tbh

[tender turret]

Same for you

Cause if your struggling vs joker and not symbiote and rubberman than you just agreeing with 0 logic

[short hearth]

going against a joker is more annoying that struggling symbiotes steal can be countered if prepared and rubber is balanced in my eyes

[earnest current]

no i wouldnt be complaining about any move

[lament ingot]

Symbioti cant be countered

[short hearth]

his steal can be countered by multiple moves

thats why i specified his STEAL not his whole kit

[lament ingot]

Die bru

[short hearth]

?

[golden nymph]

We slander ALL new bbz styles excluding Silver 🥺✌️

[coral venture]

we can lowk nerf silver too

[merry bone]

Nah buff

Fetch counter ong

[delicate bay]

PERISH, FOOL.

[coral venture]

like people are saying joker is unbalanced completely overlooking flash 😭

[merry bone]

Joker is unbalanced

And flash is balanced

[merry bone]

People slandering eclipse saying it's worser than it is

[coral venture]

a dash that basically gives you another dribble and stuns people that arent even near you is balanced 😂

[merry bone]

Yes

You acting like it is a game changer which it isn't ngl

You complaining about then dash, don't get me started with flow step

Emperor dribble

Any dribble in that matter

And the stun doesn't always work

Trust me

Let's all use chuck to please bro

[tidal terrace]

@runic bough

My eyes.. are absolute.

[runic bough]

@bronze quest 12h death wish ban request

[runic bough]

lock in

[bronze quest]

It’s been dealt with

Now gimme some snacks please

[runic bough]

no

bye

[bronze quest]

https://tenor.com/view/subaru-re-zero-re-zero-subaru-gif-586160937372820323

[brisk void]

They might remove unc guys

They be talking about the random styles and removing them in polls

[pulsar egret]

no one barely uses basketball unc anymore gng 😭

[prime temple]

Play 2s and say it again

[merry bone]

Ong

I still see ts being used

It's still broken

Same with joker

[prime temple]

That’s the issue it’s a lot of the lower levelled players voting for balance changes

[onyx elm]

dawg there's at least 3 people per match using unc in 5v5 servers not to mention ranked

[merry bone]

Ong

[merry bone]

I won't say that in my servers

[pulsar egret]

same here

its been long ever since ive seen a unc user

i only saw it once when the update came out

[pulsar egret]

rlly?

[onyx elm]

for me there is

[unborn geode]

I have the joker style and many people abuse the wild card trick. Where you score a goal. Then you can get it back

It’s super op

And also.

You can dribble three times and use the dribble move. Then you can already shoot at the half court position

[pulsar egret]

oh

its been long sinnce ive seen a unc user gng

[delicate bay]

It's good in like

1v1 scenarios

But in most pubs and ranked matches

People are ball chasing

So

It doesn't do that much in those cases

[jagged holly]

stop complaining abouit some dumb style just play the new pure basketball gamemode if you dont want joker users to anonyo you

[night mirage]

Just nerf joker unc is so easily counterable

[woven swift]

Me whos still losing that 50% 5 times in a row:

[merry bone]

Damn

[woven swift]

No joke

I somehow lost it 5 times in a row

[merry bone]

Meanwhile I get 777 every time 5 times in a row:

[woven swift]

im such a

loser

like how is it even possible to lose 50% 5 times in a row

like if its 2 times then i would understand

BUT 5 TIMES?!?!

NAHHH HOW????!!?

[flint condor]

i went a whole game without getting the 50% once made me hop of joker for good

[brisk void]

no its not im level 124 still think they should nerf

atleast unc

and the wild card after score thing

[prime temple]

I didn’t disagree with that I agreed with that

[brisk void]

wdym?

[prime temple]

The guy above me was saying unc doesn’t get used anymore

And I said play 2s and say that again

Then I stated that

[brisk void]

ohhh gotcha

yea true

it gets used alot

[prime temple]

Oh and by level I meant rank or skill level not account level or whatever

[brisk void]

right

[merry bone]

I peaked c3 in s3 and think they need nerfs

[prime temple]

Yeah we agreed with eachother

[prime temple]

But the people that don’t play or don’t even go high in ranked are the same people that are saying it’s fine

[merry bone]

I havent been reaching high in rank bc I havent had time to or had bad teammates

but yet I still hate ALL limiteds bc they can be OP

[prime temple]

Yeah but you’re clearly good enough

[merry bone]

I should be

I am a JP main

[prime temple]

There’s only a few limiteds that are alright imo

[merry bone]

I still hate limiteds

[prime temple]

Don’t blame you

[merry bone]

I basically make fun of all limited mains

[prime temple]

Um bit extreme but fair

[merry bone]

I do it with jp 24/7 just to show them that their style carried

you dont wanna know how many times I have countered them

back when I used to main stay'

I was leaping all iframe passes

now I cant really

bc I am rusty with sta

star

will take me a week to get used to

[prime temple]

Tbh anyone playing any of the meta styles are style carried

[merry bone]

Honestly

The Meta is just

Giant as center
Star as power forward
Gold as pg
Jp on sg
And cc

Like these are literally the best styles for each position

Best 5th style are literally gold and switcher

[prime temple]

In legendary upwards the styles that are better are just way better, some only in their own category but others span throughout each tier of style

If styles were meta due to tech or because they’re slightly better then fine but it’s just not that

[vestal pawn]

🥳 another nerf suggestion the devs wont care about yay

[prime temple]

I honestly don’t think they nerf because it changes nothing and they ain’t gonna remake a style for 30 of em

It’s tragic

Deep it, everytime they’ve nerfed something they’ve made it useless or it’s still broken

[merry bone]

Fr

Jofu killed tz bc they can't balance

[prime temple]

It was an issue before jofu imo. If anything hes done a better job with releases. Most stuff released recently have been somewhat in the same league. But joker and unc were a horrible blunder. Nothing beats prime chrollo and tatlis tho

And I guess joker is better through tech in a sense but it’s just dumb and is clearly a bug not a discovery of mechanics

[tidal crag]

prime tatlis was actually crazy

so thankful they nerfed that splash move

[merry bone]

They are saying prime tatlis as a dev

[prime temple]

Nah prime as in the move

Well the style

Which I guess is them as devs

If you didn’t play tatlis or have one on your team it was just a kid

Loss*

[merry bone]

Fs

Back then yeah it was unstoppable

[green marlin]

Stop nerfing

Im sayin y'all

Nerf all styles

If u want

If u get it why hate it

Nerf tatlis

And psychic

Sy mbiote

Chrollo

FIRST NERF. THOSE STYKES I MENTIONED

THEN NERF OBTAINABLES

just make unc lim

Cuz y'all dont want to nerf limiteds

Make bb unc 1% obtainable

Some OP styles will always exist in a game

[merry bone]

Their "op styles" that I used to just leap as star food all day or "op styles" that I just make jp food

Unc and joker are the only real style without a definite counter

Tbh

Only direct counter is just having bad luck

[tidal terrace]

Honestly

The strongest non limited combo in 2v2s

Is bb unc + emp

And like u run with rbb and President zone

Free 50% zone

[merry bone]

Not even close

Emp countered so easily

Pass is just going to be pressured or jp stolen or even eclipse

Eclipse strong too

Even rbb can counter eclipse if timed right

[tidal terrace]

Someone gotta be bold enough to jp steal that😭

U press steal on activation?

[merry bone]

I can

[tidal terrace]

Od the pass

[merry bone]

Upon activation since they'll still be in animation and jp can counter that

[tidal terrace]

I mean like

U can still pass

If ur that worried

U can go for

Emp dribble + ult pass

[merry bone]

Jp steal

[tidal terrace]

If it's double jp or jp and cc

Then cooked

[merry bone]

-2 moves

[tidal terrace]

U can't recover that fast from emp dribble

[merry bone]

You can

[tidal terrace]

+30% zone which is 4-6 free points

[merry bone]

I promise you that you can

[tidal terrace]

Are u sure

[merry bone]

People force shoot

[tidal terrace]

Yea I dont

I despise that

[merry bone]

People do it and waste iframes

[tidal terrace]

I only force shot if the defenders both blocked

Well jumped I'd say

[merry bone]

Never force shoot

Just let the iframe deal with it

Jp gives free Iframes still

If you get it from the steal

Emp isn't good