The Non-Existent Rebalancing of BBZ.

[severe quiver]

And those are the beginner players

[maiden parcel]

but it doesn't always work

[severe quiver]

That is often my experience in public lobbies

In a public lobby I can most of the time 1v3 but no chance in ranked

[maiden parcel]

humanity must be very relapsed for people who have been playing for a maximum of a week not to know how to press a button at the right time

but, anyway, we are deviating from the main topic which is balancing

I agree with what you said on many points

[severe quiver]

You don’t improve if you’re playing the same people at the same skill level for a large amount of time

[maiden parcel]

The game is easy to understand, since the first day I joined I play the same way, the only difference is that I learned to use each style the way it should be used, but that's beside the point.

[severe quiver]

Also the bugs came from not having a large dedicated dev team as they split the work to soccer zero

[maiden parcel]

The problem is that your suggestion works, yes, but only with competent teams

[severe quiver]

Now with black star they can easily rework every style in a month or two

[severe quiver]

This will force pubs to be more competent as you can’t do everything yourself, rather than leaving it to rng, and it makes ranked experience better

[maiden parcel]

I believe that Black Star can do this in two months, yes, if they listened to your suggestion, I believe they would be able to do it

[maiden parcel]

I was referring to the competence of the game's creators team

Chrollo took weeks to bring back Gold's pressure defense

and he came the exact same thing

the only thing that changed was that theft was no longer guaranteed

[severe quiver]

Issue with chrollo is he didn’t even want gold in the game

[maiden parcel]

the venom nerf, for example, didn't change anything

[severe quiver]

Yet at least

[maiden parcel]

Chrollo is definitely the most useless dev on the face of the earth, let's face it

[severe quiver]

He also was getting tired of defensive moves

[severe quiver]

He’s not useless but he’s not good at making competitive games

The moment he added a ranked system is the moment he couldn’t keep up

[maiden parcel]

"I don't just play the game, I control it."

• He doesn't play the game, he just controls it in the worst possible way, which is why the beta is the best version yet.

[maiden parcel]

By the way, all he created were competitive games. So he's not good at anything?

[severe quiver]

The reason why this is is due to the fact when you make a ranked system people drastically improve way faster than anything in a public lobby so they found out things you didn’t even think to do when testing

[severe quiver]

Blr doesn’t have a ranked I don’t think

If bbz stayed pubs it wouldn’t be that bad because the blr styles are way worse

[maiden parcel]

If you knew that BLR is more balanced than BBZ... Well, you can find that out in practice.

You're right on most points, especially the balance

I also believe the game would improve if Blackstar reworked everyone

letting the guaranteed robberies go to the base

while the base has fair movements

just use Ghost as an example

Joker is also an example, a fair character with a fair percentage

if it's less work, just add percentage to all guaranteed robberies and end of story

[severe quiver]

Joker is not fair bro what.

He’s a menace in high level

[maiden parcel]

Have you ever used ghost?

joker*

[maiden parcel]

I completely disagree

[severe quiver]

Hop in ranked and get to plat and see what joker does to you

[maiden parcel]

If you think that about the Joker, then Unk is much worse, right?

compares 75% against 50%

a friend of mine has missed the wild card 17 times in a row

yes, he told

[severe quiver]

The percentage isn’t the issue it’s the concept of the move

Unc still allows others to get the ball

[maiden parcel]

the percentage is indeed the problem

[severe quiver]

However joker

Allows you to run away and get the ball and basically shoot for free even if you didn’t steal it

[maiden parcel]

only if the unc is completely incompetent, because you just have to literally stand near the person

[severe quiver]

If you shoot it and the other team picks it up

You can steal it

If YOUR team picks it up you can steal it

If you pass

And use it you can steal it

You can also use wild card during hand offs in 2v2 what’re we talking about lol

[maiden parcel]

everything you said are requirements

tell me what requirement the tatlis has

Joke needs to lose the ball, or the team needs to lose the ball

and you still have the chance

of 1/2

50%

[severe quiver]

Tatlis ain’t a guaranteed goal whereas wildcard is

And 50/50 doesn’t always mean half the time btw

[maiden parcel]

here I retire.

[severe quiver]

That’s not how rng works

[severe quiver]

Why do you think joker is being used more rn?

If you flip a coin you can still get heads everytime

[maiden parcel]

because people are simply learning to use it, in the same way that tatlis is widely used in ranked

joker is one of the most balanced styles there is

He WARNS you when the robbery is successful

it has PERCENTAGES and REQUIREMENTS

[severe quiver]

Warning when he’s across the pitch and open lol

[maiden parcel]

I didn't understand your point about it being stolen.

[maiden parcel]

Is it difficult for each player to mark their target in a 3v3? Isn't that how teamwork works?

[severe quiver]

In a 3v3 you still need to push up especially with a max of 3 dribbles

[maiden parcel]

I don't use the joker, nor do I have it in the inv, but I know perfectly how it works, including the weak points, which are very weak

[severe quiver]

You will run out of dribbles if it’s just 2

[severe quiver]

Again I have it, have tested it and have been against it in high level
Play

Yes it’s requirements but the requirements aren’t hard to do at all and have more potential than tatlis

[maiden parcel]

my god, you definitely don't know what you're saying

[severe quiver]

You can’t evade joker

[severe quiver]

I really do.

[maiden parcel]

I, and only one other person, managed to dribble endlessly with the three dribbles while passing one back to the other

[severe quiver]

Bro any competent person is stealing that off you

[maiden parcel]

joker having more potential than tatlis?

Jesus...

[severe quiver]

With decent ping at least

[severe quiver]

I can’t be bothered to continue until you actually hop in ranked and see

[maiden parcel]

regardless of who it is, as long as they don't have a skill steal, they can't get it in a normal steal

because you just need timing

[severe quiver]

If you time it to where you both have all your dribbles as in fully replenished then you can get the ball stolen if they have decent ping and also time it

[maiden parcel]

honestly, you must only be in the plastic rank to say that the joker is stronger than tatlis

[severe quiver]

If you use the jump pass mechanic to do it then that’s not available in ranked

[severe quiver]

I’m masters

[maiden parcel]

There's the most incoherent master I've ever seen in my entire life

anyway, I'm tired of talking

our opinions differ

[severe quiver]

Do you know what incoherent means?

[maiden parcel]

anyone knows

[severe quiver]

You mean everyone but cool

[maiden parcel]

I was interested in your opinions, I even accepted that you have correct points

as in the reformulation of styles that can happen in 1-2 months

but, it doesn't seem like you have the same interest

[severe quiver]

Your points are mainly coming from pubs, which is why i disagree. The people in pubs are not as good as the people in ranked and that is a fact

The issues you have against tatlis are not the same issues I go against

And it’s the same with wildcard

But you don’t get that

[maiden parcel]

To say that guaranteed theft is mainly a public problem is quite unbelievable.

Lazy Work was removed precisely because it was too strong in 2v2.

You, who play so much ranked, didn't know that?

[severe quiver]

Yes because it stole and gave a goal

From when you’ve already shot

[maiden parcel]

in a... guaranteed way.

at the base.

[severe quiver]

Does tatlis steal the ball tickle your balls and then shoot a 3

[maiden parcel]

in a guaranteed manner, on the basis

anyway

I completely lost interest in the conversation

bye

[severe quiver]

Can you evade nagi?

Can you evade tatlis

Can you block the tatlis shot and can you block the nagi shot

Can the ball be stolen when it’s in the air?

[maiden parcel]

if he is even remotely intelligent, no.

bye

[severe quiver]

and you assume the person going against the tatlis isn’t intelligent. He’s still an issue but he’s not as big of a problem as other abilities

[high owl]

Uncle sam

[maiden parcel]

true, I forgot about him

[timber sandal]

Most the limiteds ppl are asking to get buffed are boring ash

[rigid mica]

They lwky sold on some styles

[hard portal]

I’m telling you ordinary shot was never meant to be op, I ain’t even want it to be in the kit

[hot pivot]

yeah it just shouldn't have existed

[hard portal]

The move or the style

[hot pivot]

i'm fine with the style not existing but ordinary shot just not being a thing would be fine also

[hard portal]

https://tenor.com/view/jcsoos-gif-21682697

imo (not biased) psychic was one of the most unique movesets in the game (excluding the shot)

[hot pivot]

It's arguably unique

I see it as taking things that already existed in the game and crank it to the extreme

Because pass moves were running the game, and then people started using abilities on them, and guess the only style that couldn't get their pass intercepted

[hard portal]

confusion was one of the best moves in the kit in terms of creativity

[hot pivot]

Half court 3s were obnoxious, but guess what style had a half court 3 that was borderline impossible to block

[zinc vessel]

i think psychics shot was a good idea but just made completely wrong

[hot pivot]

Let's take lock's awakening and give him 2 uses of it

[zinc vessel]

a shot that bypasses defense moves is great but it should be easy to block without moves

[hard portal]

the pass was meant to be a move that slowed down the ball travel 🥲

[zinc vessel]

so its more of a situational counter

[hard portal]

it was meant to be a situational counter

[zinc vessel]

its shot windup speed is just too fast for that however

[hot pivot]

But honestly, I think I hated prime confusion over ordinary shot

[zinc vessel]

its used more as a unstoppable and free 3 pointer

[hard portal]

No no I’m saying that the pass was meant to be a slowing move

[zinc vessel]

ah that

[hot pivot]

You just denied everyone's awakening because whoops, you can't do anything

[hard portal]

Ordinary shot was not what I intended originally

[hard portal]

it’s a 3 second stun bru

[hot pivot]

Psychic is whatever now, still a top tier

[zinc vessel]

if the shot had a windup and was easy to block by regularly blocking, and impossible to stop with defensive abilities, it would be perfect

but nooooo

[hot pivot]

But I'm not foaming at the mouth when I see it until I see them get awakening

[zinc vessel]

the awk

is so dumb

[hard portal]

I love the awakening so much ❤️ so stupidly op

[hot pivot]

GG it's over awakening

[zinc vessel]

of all the awks its the only one where the only thing u can do is sit and pray

😭

[hot pivot]

You play good defense and get punished

[hard portal]

In order to counter the blitz just throw the ball to the other side of the court

[hot pivot]

And now joker does the same thing with wild card

[zinc vessel]

and (likely) give it up

[hot pivot]

psychic had some horrile children

[zinc vessel]

so either way its a huge risk

[hot pivot]

I just block them and let them rebound the ball

[hard portal]

there’s many ways to regain control after throwing it

[hot pivot]

Or just throw the ball away if it gets inbounded to me

Fetch is a good way to counter it

[hard portal]

Star, cyber, speed, etc

[hard portal]

ya

[zinc vessel]

sure but sadly its only for certain styles

at least there is a way rho

tho

but the fact that it can be used 2 times in awk

is outrageous

[hard portal]

2 times with psychic zone and if you use it right after awk

but kinda outrageous

[hot pivot]

it even being possible is diabolical

[zinc vessel]

cybers freezing move too

any move really

[hard portal]

Cyber can freeze time 2 times 😭

Also Tatlis

[hot pivot]

Cyber is so mid until you get awakening

[hard portal]

I hate Tatlis bad and ult sm

[hard portal]

it’s not as fun as psychic ult tho

[hot pivot]

I usually don't have a problem with base tatlis until the awakening

[zinc vessel]

i find it okay because its an all rounder so its justified for being “mid”

[hard portal]

It’s that damn stun move

[zinc vessel]

but psychics all round ability surpasses it so it doesn’t matter

[hot pivot]

Right but when half the game's all-rounders are good, it's kinda crazy is it not

[zinc vessel]

yeah

i wish theyd stop making all rounders

[hot pivot]

Jackpot: Good all-rounder
Psychic: Good all-rounder

[hard portal]

After cyber v psychic they just made every style be an all rounder

[zinc vessel]

and go back to pure styles like lock sniper and flash

[hot pivot]

Even emperor is a good all-rounder

[zinc vessel]

basketball god is a good pure styles as well i like that they did it for a limited

[hard portal]

bbgod is pure offense

and that’s cool

[zinc vessel]

exactly

[hot pivot]

Chrollo is an example of a stupid pure scorer that is so broken it's meta

[zinc vessel]

but after that they made only all rounders

[hard portal]

psychic would’ve been better if it was a little more defense based

[hot pivot]

Like specialized styles can be good

[zinc vessel]

ghost being the first support style in awhile is good too

[hot pivot]

Ghost ragebaits me

[zinc vessel]

like semi support and playmaking

[hard portal]

More support styles are needed

[hot pivot]

Like not being able to see is easy ragebait

[zinc vessel]

lol

and the phantom move is pretty counter-able so its not too bad

[hard portal]

it feels like the team is just adding scorers and dribblers

[hot pivot]

A worse vampire dash

[hard portal]

Which is lame

[hot pivot]

Haven't gotten a pure defense style since uh...

LOCK

[zinc vessel]

theres only 3 shooter styles keep in mind

not even

only 1

sniper

and chrollo and chuck are like the other 2 lol

but chrollos still a good dribbler

[hard portal]

I hate when a style has only dribbles and unblockable steals

So unskilled and lame

[hot pivot]

I am now unironically using symbiote because I frankly do not care anymore

[zinc vessel]

space creating in a game like this sucks cus then u either are required to have a dashing move to counter or a dribbling move

[hot pivot]

Like I was being honest and using emperor and star but after going against 500 jokers, yeah it's over

[hard portal]

I feel like limiteds should come once a month

[zinc vessel]

we still on chuck gamers 😎

[hard portal]

And a new style every 2 weeks

QOL and aesthetic updates would be nice every other week

[zinc vessel]

that was the promise originally but chrollos lied

[hard portal]

like off and on

[hot pivot]

The styles are gonna be some HOT mid though so i'm not even going to hope for that

All I ask for is balance changes

None of the styles they created in the last month or two moved me

[hard portal]

any style after the Luffy update needs deletion

they just all suck

except for joker maybe

[hot pivot]

Nah joker can get deleted

[zinc vessel]

jokers bail out move

is too good

[hot pivot]

Hey nice defense you played, what if I just stood back and got the ball back with no effort?

That style is annoying AND it's ugly

Like how do you make joker auraless, I don't understand

[maiden parcel]

What a lucid comment, I would only add that the guaranteed pass theft should be removed from Lock. In my opinion, this move should be from awakening.

[elfin spoke]

i think there’s aspects of the newer styles i like, i love the idea behind that one passing ability unc has where he gets the ball right back and i think jokers invisibility and awk move where he makes a clone are both cool but the rest of the recent kits are so uninspired it’s insane.

[hot pivot]

Never seen a person that liked anything about unc until now

[elfin spoke]

don’t get me wrong i still absolutely hate him, i just like that one move because it’s something actually fairly unique

[bold pike]

if only the other

99% of the community understood that

if a style doesnt have smth guarenteed

its not good and needs a balance

"balance"

im crine son

if my goat chuck doesnt have buffs why are babies crying about perfect

[timber sandal]

Perfection dont need any type of buff other than an gc

[supple fossil]

He did receive buffs, though.

[bold pike]

An increase to range does nothing

If you can barely pull it off

[supple fossil]

Me personally, I’ve seen Chuck users cooking with the range and lower cooldowns. But then again, you didn’t acknowledge the buffs, so I just thought that you didn’t realize it did get buffed at some point.

[bold pike]

Oh ya I knew it was buffed but like

Range wont do anything if youre up against good players

DK is hot garbage because it doesnt technically give you anything

Either you fumble it and lose possession

Or you pull it off and go only like 2 metres in front of you

[supple fossil]

Yeah, Dribble King is a little weird, but I find it breaking ankles way more often. At this point, Chuck is just the canon Jackpot.

[bold pike]

Bro only the noobs are getting ankle broken be fr😭👊

[supple fossil]

People genuinely just have brain-farts/bad days sometimes, I once watched a Champion and Legend receive a synchronized ankle break from a guy getting to know the game for a couple days.

[bold pike]

So then my ability is being relied on by brainfarts

You can see how bad this is

?

[severe quiver]

If you actually defend you will get ankle broken. You shouldn’t always be waiting for the 3 dribbles and then the fake. You need to predict lowkey especially for and off passes. When I was worse I would just wait but it ended up being more effective to just predict

[bold pike]

We are

Talking about the ability

[severe quiver]

Prolly not even a bad day, habits from higher ranks change when going to a Lower rank opponent

[severe quiver]

Oh my fault if

Og*

[severe quiver]

You shouldn’t be getting anklebroken by dribble king

[bold pike]

Exactly

Its useless

✌🏻😭

[severe quiver]

It’s only good for making them watch you go slightly up the pitch

[bold pike]

👊👊👊

[supple fossil]

Not really, it still holds well as it is, and that's held up better now that the cooldown's way shorter.

I don't really know why it's that hard to realize that everyone feels negative towards the style itself. The whole style is meant to be a troll, so it's odd hearing it's bad when it's still doing work.

[bold pike]

If you find a good player using chuck he will barely ever use DK because it doesnt reward you for pulling it off

[bold pike]

A terrible one at that

[timber sandal]

It does

You can catch players off guard sometimes by immediately shooting

[bold pike]

Im talking about DK and he's on about shooting

😭😭👊

[obsidian escarp]

im pretty sure he means shoot after successful dk

[elfin spoke]

what he’s describing does actually work sometimes but then again that relies on you NOT failing it which is a 50/50

meanwhile chrollo got a 70% chance to make a shot from behind half court

sick game design

[twilit mortar]

make chuck great again

(it never was)

[elfin spoke]

i’ve always been an advocate that heat check should be more rewarding and dk should be a qte rather than left up to chance

[high owl]

Can we kill bbz unc?

[bold pike]

If its a qte I wouldn't even care about using heat check

I just want DK to actually have a REASON to use it

[halcyon dune]

Honestly, it could be something like increase dribble regen like with Mike's dunk.

Or it could give you one/two dribbles back when successfully landing it.

Maybe could make it so that your dribbles can move you further by 5/10% to a max of 40/50% but resets upon getting the ball taken from you.

Genuinely don't know what to do for the shot though other than giving it more range to compensate for the chance of it whiffing.

[twilit mortar]

i feel like the failures for chuck are poorly designed

in regards to chuck, what if the failures buffed it in some way?

whenever you fail a dribble or a shot, the move gets faster in some way but progress towards longer range decreases

like the player’s “getting desperate” after their move fails

here’s how I’d buff it personally

Dribble King’s travel speed is increased. Stamina refills all the way while dribbling. Cannot fail during awakening. If failed, next Dribble King activation increases the movement speed.
Heat Check has a faster shooting and travel speed for each shot failed.
All ability fails give the ball brief i-Frames and launch the ball towards a teammate.

[severe quiver]

Tbf the tier gap with chrollo and chuck is huge. Probably intended as you aren’t actually meant to keep chuck it’s just a starter moveset till you either decide to pay for more spins or get some and spin for a better style

[worn hearth]

i think ur forgetting its a common style

[elfin spoke]

yeah but there’s no natural progression, you’re more likely to spin onto something like chuck than any other style because it’s all luck based

[severe quiver]

Unless you use lucky spins in which I don’t think
It’s possible for you
To even get a rare

And you get about 25 a week

And that’s if you also don’t do any other thing on the game but log in and spin

[twilit mortar]

i don't see the issure rarity wise

i'd argue quick's more mechanically complex than sniper, and sniper's a legendary

current chuck is more complex than sniper

[rigid mica]

Chuck just rng

So is switcher

Me personally though, they should rework switcher and or lower the rarity

The kit is kinda bad, switch really only good on shooting teammates

[severe quiver]

Switcher is a free 3 pointer

[severe quiver]

And switch is also good for fake out shots and allowing for repositioning if crowded and passing etc. it’s about your tm positioning tho. You just gotta play it smarter imo.

[rigid mica]

Free 3 but it's main use is the backlash

Not the free 3

And swap still kinda useless still

[severe quiver]

Useless is dependant imo I’ve seen good plays and bad plays. It’s just skill dependant on more than just your part

[severe quiver]

Works either way it’s a free 3 or it’s a 50/50 steal

Sometimes both

[rigid mica]

Still they should lwky rework the kit or make it mythic