Pls buff spider im begging

[queen acorn]

the dunk is quite like reverse dunk

so at least theres that

[inner prawn]

unc sam awk is good too unlike others

[undone steppe]

His pass stuns while spider needs a stun to use a move

[queen acorn]

pub servs are buns bro😭😭😭

[queen acorn]

awk is good

free 3 pointer

[glass latch]

*now has unblockable pass
Because if it weren't for new balance fixes, uncle Sam pass is just straight up DOGTRASH

[queen acorn]

no matter who has the ball

and no matter where you are

[fervent wadi]

I even cook in ranked sometimes

[undone steppe]

I won’t I pinged u only once

[inner prawn]

yea

[undone steppe]

Now leave

[urban basin]

yes unblockable passes are actually unblockable now

[queen acorn]

lets go

[queen acorn]

crazy right😭

[cinder delta]

Venom steal🥰

[urban basin]

ah yes venom steal

[glass latch]

Finally lock style died out ❤️

[queen acorn]

still intercepts the start up pass though💔💔

i still hate intercept💔

[cinder delta]

Venom can steal it as ur doing an animation for the unblockable pass

[glass latch]

Chrollo made venom style knowing he just wanna see this game crumbled to dust and BLOWN AWAY

[cinder delta]

Except for teleport pass

[glass latch]

https://tenor.com/view/some-men-just-want-to-watch-the-world-burn-gif-13617372

[queen acorn]

venom can steal during anything bro its like a better jp steal😭💔💔💔

[queen acorn]

hes actually ragebaiting atp

[cinder delta]

Exactly so its technically blocking?

[urban basin]

they can just choose not to do it during it too, literal no counterplay

[queen acorn]

yeah

but like

[glass latch]

He already foreshadowing ts by saying it's gonna be "Most dangerous style in game"

[queen acorn]

can we overthrow chrollo😭😭

why in gods name does venoms steal

[glass latch]

This man knew his infamous reputation, he just embrace being the villain

[queen acorn]

go through EVERYTHING

😭

[cinder delta]

Counterplay is either jackpot or another venom

[queen acorn]

😭💔💔

[urban basin]

we used to be scared of giant camping paint, now we ain’t even getting close to that point without being stolen by venom

[glass latch]

I tried to steal when a venom stole my ball, it has iframe.

[queen acorn]

yep

at least

[fervent wadi]

Maybe they are ahh

[queen acorn]

jps steal

can go through those iframes

[glass latch]

https://tenor.com/view/shake-freak-out-crazy-wild-ahh-gif-15649052

[queen acorn]

bro why did chrollo make it go through dribble MOVES bro💔💔💔

at least jps steal can move

miss***

this thing is auto aim

💔

[glass latch]

Bbz dev try not to glaze jackpot every single update:

[glass latch]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-and-patrick-melting-gif-25594329

[queen acorn]

challenge level:impossible

[cinder delta]

Devs gotta be black lives matter supporters

Look at venom

[urban basin]

but why would u use jp instead of venom for it tho, they just made jp steal bypassing iframes not unique anymore

[queen acorn]

yep

idk why they made that

[glass latch]

Jackpot 777 awk mode now gives 5 dribbles.

[glass latch]

BTW, it's true.

[queen acorn]

devious😭😭😭

[queen acorn]

wait the zone or?

jps?

[glass latch]

Jackpot

[cinder delta]

Zone

Whats crazy is

[glass latch]

What?

[cinder delta]

They didn't even buff it

[queen acorn]

bro im jumping off a cliff

why are they glazing jackpots zone every update bro💔

[ember walrus]

Do not buff spider wth

[urban basin]

777 nerf lasted for 1 week, no one even complained about the 1 dribble shadow nerf yet they reverted it

[cinder delta]

They did a shadow nerf last update

[queen acorn]

its a mythic for gods sake it literally does not deserve this much💔

[urban basin]

they just love 777

[queen acorn]

yep

i was so glad

[cinder delta]

Then proceeded to say it got buffed

The manipulation is next level

[queen acorn]

i have not seen a single soul complain about it

devs tweaking

[queen acorn]

like BRUH😭😭

i just know

the dev team abuses 777

[glass latch]

They glaze ts like uraume glazing sukuna

[cinder delta]

Btw

[urban basin]

lock intercepting passes? psychic shooting unblockable shots? let’s buff 777!!

[glass latch]

https://tenor.com/view/uraume-uraume-dance-dance-gif-4909124316424963911

[cinder delta]

The game has a balance team now

[queen acorn]

YIPEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[cinder delta]

What are these balance teams doing

[queen acorn]

propaganda spread by chrollo.........

there IS no balance team...

[glass latch]

"And let's nerf perfection style...FOR NO REASON 😇"

[queen acorn]

also chat can someone like gimme tips

of the tech of ace fade

like the one where you

uh

[cinder delta]

Mid, use venom

[queen acorn]

idk how to describe th tech😭

[urban basin]

im still mad cuz blink can literally rewind ur goal

[queen acorn]

bro i dont want to

[urban basin]

ball went into hoop? nah it didn’t cuz i used blink

[cinder delta]

Then u dont win💔

[queen acorn]

true💔💔

[glass latch]

List of usual bbz update:
Buff jp or 777 1964672864th time
Nerf perfection style for no reason, AGAIN
buff another braindead style
Reasonable nerf? What's that?

[queen acorn]

yeah!!

[queen acorn]

this is like

bottom 2 issues in the game rn

compared to venom and 777 buffs

[cinder delta]

Also this was the only thing keeping venom in check in ranked 2v2

Now that they fixed it

[urban basin]

yeah they somehow made goaltending not one of the worst problems in a BASKETBALL game now

[cinder delta]

Venom can guarantee a steal everytime

[queen acorn]

nerf giant💔

[cinder delta]

Venom is the new lazy worker

Great

[queen acorn]

like HOW

how do you do that

as a game dev

[glass latch]

Prime lazy worker felt like less of a headache than venom rn

[queen acorn]

lock in chrollo💔

[tardy quiver]

steal move genuinely needs a global cd

[cinder delta]

Lazy worker u couldn't shoot threes, venom u dont even get a chance to dribble😭

[queen acorn]

cant even breath💔

[glass latch]

He locked in alright: lock in to ruin this game entire balance

[queen acorn]

we love chrollo.....

[glass latch]

More like you don't get any damn chance at all

Shoot? No

Pass? No

Solo? Hell nah 🗣️

[queen acorn]

least you could breath against lazy💔

[urban basin]

How do you play against a Venom? Just use Venom!!! What a balance

[queen acorn]

cant even dribble infront of venom💔

[queen acorn]

balance team worked overtime for this one!!!!

[glass latch]

i swear man, just called this stupid update: Symbiote vs Psychic instead
Cause these two are every newbies wet dream turned into style incarnated

[queen acorn]

aw hell naw😭😭😭

[glass latch]

Basketball zero: no limited? You ain't stood a chance in the game.

[urban basin]

venom might be why full court shots aren’t a big issue anymore since he gonna steal it before that happens anyways…

[glass latch]

Balance: zero

[cinder delta]

Bbz= bad balancing zero

[glass latch]

Also every "dunk" awk now turned into 3s

I remember Lock Clamp awk was 2

[urban basin]

well not gold

[queen acorn]

like bro💔

[urban basin]

💔

[glass latch]

Now it's 3s

And venom awk isn't even 2s

[queen acorn]

wait what

bruh

[glass latch]

Yeah I tried

[queen acorn]

yo i genuinely hate this game

[urban basin]

venom’s awk and spider’s awk are genuinely the most ridiculous things ever

[queen acorn]

bro

why does me PASSING

lead to them scoring a 2

😭💔💔

[glass latch]

I don't even know how spider sense awk work

[urban basin]

spider awk needs ball and it has defensive moves while venom doesn’t need ball yet all it has are offensive skills

[glass latch]

*3

[queen acorn]

cant forget

i hate this game

my friend passed to me

in the startup pass thing

and a spidey scored off that💔

with awk thingy

[glass latch]

Like ts doesn't make any sense fr

[queen acorn]

literally chrollos awk steal but 10 times worse bruh💔😭😭

[urban basin]

lock’s clamps on steroids

[glass latch]

"Your goal is not a part of my reality, but MY goal is" 🌽

[queen acorn]

on that tren sandwich💔

[queen acorn]

chrollo please stop😭😭😭😭

[glass latch]

Legit I'm beyond confused at how spider awk move even work

[queen acorn]

fr

[glass latch]

Atp it's anywhere on the court

[hasty nimbus]

ig also in trade remove ability to catch passes using shot sense, and make it slightly longer and have aura (pre nerf emperor reach gets emperor reach fate, epico)
/Nice suggestion (about teamwork – make it faster, and teammate be able to refuse your teamwork move)

[queen acorn]

my friend stole through spidey sense

[glass latch]

I think it's not working like observe for rubber man

[wheat spire]

it dont needa buff gng

[queen acorn]

prob

aight i gotta dip gng

have a good day yall

[undone steppe]

Ty but the teamwork no I don’t think that needs to be added

[queen acorn]

lets hope venom gets nerfed😭😭

[glass latch]

https://tenor.com/view/dap-grip-hand-high-five-yes-gif-16329314

[urban basin]

might as well just make the steal guaranteed, it doesn’t even hit 90% of the time anyway

[undone steppe]

Fr

[hasty nimbus]

ig remove steal variant, cuz it's straight selling your team

[undone steppe]

Yo who added 4 X

[hasty nimbus]

because it's forces your teammate to get ankle broken

[hasty nimbus]

and just make it help team with something another

rework ig

[undone steppe]

U can’t remove it it’s unique to him it like removing guaranteed steal from Tatlis

[urban basin]

pressing spider’s V move no matter the on-ball or off-ball version it’s gonna be detrimental

[undone steppe]

Exactly that’s why I’m saying faster or keep it the same but guaranteed

[hasty nimbus]

guaranteed steal would be op, faster will still force your teammate to get ankle broken

it's impossible to buff

it's the problem

[undone steppe]

No it won’t be op cause wind up takes 10 years they can just pass

[urban basin]

guaranteed steal is alright lol, by the time the windup ends ur already outside of its range

[hasty nimbus]

any guaranteed steal should be awk only

(Hello Tatlis, Get away)

[undone steppe]

No it won’t it’ll be faster so it’s harder for them to react

[undone steppe]

Fr

[hasty nimbus]

Like Flash, Chrollo 50/50, Tatlis awks

[undone steppe]

Put a flame pls

[urban basin]

instead of teamwork they can just make u pull urself closer to ur enemy or something, the whole move itself is just a bad idea and needs to be removed

[hasty nimbus]

hmm

sec

[urban basin]

they somehow managed to make spider’s movement sucks, who basically can fly around

[fierce turret]

simbiote gotta go

[uneven willow]

They gave symbiote version 1 emp reach 🔥 🔥

[hasty nimbus]

will be it's good ?

[undone steppe]

It’s niche

[uneven willow]

In my honest opinion tendril snatch should just be reworked to work like perfection's block but with way worse range

[hasty nimbus]

btw, teammate with ball variant have so much conditions for it won't be used for selling your team

[undone steppe]

Cause the only use is on loose balls

[uneven willow]

But I would be fine if they made tendril snatch be able to be stolen from like rubber man's move

[undone steppe]

Which doesn’t happen a lot in 2v2

[urban basin]

with how bad spider’s movement skills are, i doubt ur teammate needs ur help to get to the 3 point line lol

[hasty nimbus]

I love David mine + jump blocks
so, maybe block variant won't be useless (just make it have fast startup)

[undone steppe]

Wdym

[hasty nimbus]

you can block shots using David "Mine"

if jump after it's

when someone

shooting

[undone steppe]

Oh

[uneven willow]

you can do that with a lot of moves

[undone steppe]

I still don’t get it

[uneven willow]

you know you can't use a move after jumping

[urban basin]

quite literally any off ball movement skill can do it

[hasty nimbus]

yea, like Aomine/Quick dash

and etc etc

[uneven willow]

you can use a move and then jump immediately after with no penalty

[undone steppe]

That’s op

[urban basin]

it’s just block with more reach essentially

[undone steppe]

Exactly op

There would be no indication too

[uneven willow]

If they want to keep tendril snatch iframes, make it stun you if you use it while someone dribbling

But lowkey stealing shots is still kinda crazy so probably just get rid of the iframes

[cinder delta]

Or just make it do nothing like rubber poke

[tardy quiver]

a problem with it rn is that it has no global cd

the game is just a game of trading

the last person to steal gets the ball

[uneven willow]

I lowkey would rather tendril snatch being a way worse blink

[tardy quiver]

maybe a move that touches the ball while in the air

[uneven willow]

exactly

[tardy quiver]

could ruin the chances of it going in

psychic would actually get powercrept by this too

[uneven willow]

Nah it should just swipe the ball in the air

The difference would be it would land wherever you're facing instead of always going behind like blink

with a signficantly lower range than blink

[tardy quiver]

that just seems like you want to copy another styles move but make it worse

i think the idea of ruining chances could be unique

[uneven willow]

I don't really think symbiote is unique to begin with

[tardy quiver]

well the limiteds are just based on what is popular

on the way, why can't close passes get a nerf yet

[uneven willow]

so hands up won't be irrelevant

[tardy quiver]

it still is irrelevant

blocking is useless when they're bunched up

its what happens in 3s

you block a shot and their tm magically gets the ball

[uneven willow]

That's mostly an angling issue

[tardy quiver]

have you seen it?

sometimes even the block, blocks the ball to the guy shooting

and he grabs it

like it makes no sense

[uneven willow]

i've never seen that

[tardy quiver]

its a thing that frequently happens i assure you

[uneven willow]

maybe you're wording it differently than what i'm expecting

[tardy quiver]

im sure manny people have come up with the idea of buffing block so that it temporarily doesn't allow the other team to get the ball

i honestly find it hard to believe there is even a balancing team

[tardy quiver]

uhhh

[uneven willow]

I swear that's a myth

[tardy quiver]

do you play ranked

it happens frequently in ranked

[uneven willow]

I tried playing ranked but I got bored out of my mind and stopped

[tardy quiver]

yeah well if you played 3s or 2s

you will encounter it and you'll see what i mean

i mean you can try it rn

[uneven willow]

But honestly if hands up is still mediocre at best idrc

Intercept got a crazy nerf but it still got iframes

[tardy quiver]

hands up is an ok move

intercept is the reason why people use lock

since we're in a big passing meta

[uneven willow]

pass styles should be eating good rn though

[tardy quiver]

they're good

[uneven willow]

Since I assume it can't steal unblockables anymore

[tardy quiver]

wdym steal unblockables

oh lock

im not sure

i havent used lock since the emperor meta

lock can't steal from styles like psychic thouigh

since it literally just teleports the ball to the tm

[uneven willow]

Unless this doesn't apply to intercept

[tardy quiver]

the balancing team gotta be on sum

i feel they recognize the passing meta and makes it even stronger

it makes no sense

[uneven willow]

Lowkey I've been thinking about it

tendril snatch should just be a rebounding move

[tardy quiver]

its not bad

venom is more of a dunk style than a shooting one

it makes sense for it to rebound

but then it would be like nagi

[uneven willow]

but it wouldn't give you a boost forward

tendril snatch will just bring the ball to you

unlike fetch that gives you distance

[tardy quiver]

well it would still be like pre nerf nagi no?

it'd be better if the game had a testing server

actual testers

[uneven willow]

is that a good or a bad thing

Honestly fetch needs more options after rebounding a ball with dive

[tardy quiver]

pre nerf nagi was really good because it would stop a guy from being able to shoot

if it was 2s it was meta

[uneven willow]

Tendril snatch is reduced to only a rebounding move with a 10-15 second global cooldown

[tardy quiver]

well yeah

nagi trap is a rebounding move

[uneven willow]

oh lazy worker

[tardy quiver]

well now that I think about it

[uneven willow]

but tendril wouldn't automatically lead to a score though

You'd just grab the ball

[tardy quiver]

i think its alright if it can only rebound after the ball misses

but in the end

most people hardly miss

[uneven willow]

nah it should recover blocked shots also

[tardy quiver]

then blocking needs to be buffed

because blocking is really useless as it stands rn

like its important but if the enemies are bunched up, you won't be able to use the move you talk about

[uneven willow]

Idk, can't really comment on this

I don't have issues with blocking other than desync

[tardy quiver]

you'll know what im talking about if you go to 3s and 2s

[uneven willow]

you'd probably have to give close passes a distance limit before you're not able to in order to fix what you're talking about

[queen acorn]

its kinda designed like that if the ball lands near them when you block, or if their tm is near them when they get blocked, their tm gets the ball before you

[tardy quiver]

its not the greatest tbh

[queen acorn]

yeah true

[tardy quiver]

there are definitely suggestions on block buff

[queen acorn]

should be the opposite way

idk why it gives priority

to their tms

when you block

[junior egret]

just nerf every limited and dont make them limited

[queen acorn]

why are they getting the ball back😭

[junior egret]

except cell

[tardy quiver]

its too late for that

[junior egret]

cause chrollo cant rerelease him

[tardy quiver]

either way limiteds make bank

[queen acorn]

yep

[tardy quiver]

because they put a sense of "I have to get this now"

so some people buy for it

[junior egret]

money is more important than fun

[tardy quiver]

yes

it is

im sure the game started off more as a passion projet

[junior egret]

idk why people feel like this since theres like a week or more to get each

[tardy quiver]

the knb styles have so much effort in them

and they feel so clean

[junior egret]

yeah but after they did all the cool knb styles making more was boring

[tardy quiver]

im sure bz still is a passion project but its got some ea in it now

[junior egret]

like they arent gonna make a style for like

some random who played one match

[queen acorn]

the new styles just feel

weird

like they arnt fun to play as

[tardy quiver]

i actually liked spidey bc it was fun

too bad it needs buffs bad

[queen acorn]

translation:if the style doesnt have 50 trillion effect, its boring

[queen acorn]

bruh fr

[junior egret]

i just dont like how he can ult on a ball thats in somebodys hands

[junior egret]

wrong

he means like

kuroko is fun to make

aomine

fun to make

[tardy quiver]

he cant

[queen acorn]

what

[junior egret]

random guy who played one match

[queen acorn]

he says he doesnt enjoy

[tardy quiver]

the ball has to be on the ground or by itself

[queen acorn]

making knb styles

what

[uneven willow]

I think that's more their fault than the KnB material

[junior egret]

he alr made all the cool knb styles

[queen acorn]

yeah

[junior egret]

so its boring making random players

[tardy quiver]

they can always rework knb styles

phantom is in desperate need of a buff

[junior egret]

rework kuroko

[tardy quiver]

sniper as well

[queen acorn]

he doesnt even say that, he literally just says knb players are boring to make

[junior egret]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1380438684545056788

[queen acorn]

also

would gold be boring to make?

cuz he literally says that

[junior egret]

yeah BECAUSE he alr made all the cool ones

[queen acorn]

i would think if he enjoyed making kuroko

or aomine

[tardy quiver]

they were boring to make because they had to follow some sort of script

[queen acorn]

he would enjoy gold

[junior egret]

yeah he said it was boring making gold

[queen acorn]

but he literally says

he doesnt

[uneven willow]

Nash gold as a character isn't boring, chrollo himself made it boring by literally not trying

[junior egret]

reading comprehension?

[queen acorn]

then why would he enjoy making kuroko or aomine

[queen acorn]

??

[tardy quiver]

i think they like branching out of knb because they have freedom on making kits

[queen acorn]

true

[junior egret]

read the last sentence

[tardy quiver]

gold style feels underwhelming too (not by how good it is)

[junior egret]

he didnt enjoy making knb styles anymore

[junior egret]

last sentence

not the rework sentence

or just the whole thing

[tardy quiver]

it makes sense

he didnt try

[queen acorn]

fair, though i still dont understand why gold would be boring to make

[queen acorn]

like bruh

also

hes talking about

all this

while making the same styles

every update

[junior egret]

gold himself doesnt really have THAT many cool moves except his awk

[queen acorn]

none of them are unique

either a half court dribble and half court shot move

[tardy quiver]

hes aomine + a weaker akashi

[queen acorn]

or whatever the hell venom is

[tardy quiver]

he also has a eye similar to akashi

[junior egret]

the main person who was popping off in the movie was silver

[queen acorn]

he uses the same recycled unfair moves

that SHOULD be boring to make

but arnt?

[tardy quiver]

i cant remember

i watched it ages ago

[junior egret]

making spiderman is way more fun than making like

takao

[queen acorn]

tatlis

made spiderman

this is chrollo talking

[junior egret]

venom etc etc

[tardy quiver]

its why I respect tatlis more than chrollo in kits

[queen acorn]

how would

[tardy quiver]

except when tatlis made tatlis

[queen acorn]

venom EVER be fun to make

venom could be fun

but the way he made it

first move

is a dribble move

[junior egret]

not fun to go against

[queen acorn]

+unblockable steal

[junior egret]

but its fun to make

[queen acorn]

+shot block thats busted

and the second is a auto dribble

this is not unique

[queen acorn]

how..

hes just recycling moves

[tardy quiver]

it was probably fun to make because he likes making op things

[junior egret]

at least the devs were lazy enough to not realize that copy can copy venom and spider

[queen acorn]

yeah true

[tardy quiver]

everybody has a different definition of fun

[queen acorn]

hey copycat in the anime literally shot spiderwebs what are you talking about

and got used by venom once

[tardy quiver]

i think its fine

[junior egret]

ive been having fun playing chuck

[tardy quiver]

why can't copycat copy limiteds?

[junior egret]

i understand like

[tardy quiver]

i honestly like playing spider and emperor

[junior egret]

him not being able to copy luffy or saiki

[tardy quiver]

post nerf emperor is fun

[queen acorn]

please

please

[junior egret]

@carmine zinc

[queen acorn]

wha

why did the message get deleted

[uneven willow]

this is honestly crazy because most of the styles not based on knb characters (rubber man, lazy worker, switcher) are all so ugly to look at

[tardy quiver]

bz could be so good if they were to do a qol update

[uneven willow]

I actually get mad seeing those styles being used

[queen acorn]

on god

[carmine zinc]

👍

[queen acorn]

can chrollo also tone down the vfx a slight bit😭

[junior egret]

its not that the styles look cooler

[queen acorn]

im confused what was wrong with the message

[junior egret]

its that its more fun to come up with ideas than knb styles

[queen acorn]

is it him asking for chrollo to be

reset irl

[carmine zinc]

yes

[queen acorn]

alright fair enough

[carmine zinc]

death wish or death threat is a ban

[queen acorn]

aight

wait he got banned?

[junior egret]

making nagi has to be way more fun to make than make the same shooting style 30 times

[junior egret]

you cant make death threats

[uneven willow]

doubt

[tardy quiver]

i think that making kuroko would be fun

[junior egret]

i love snitching

[queen acorn]

but a ban😭😭

[uneven willow]

From a personal standpoint

[tardy quiver]

he has potential to have good passive and good abilities

purely for support

[junior egret]

its way more creatively open to ideas than like hyuga

[queen acorn]

bro iswear

lazy worker could have been so much

yet they fumbled

so bad

[junior egret]

trap wasnt even supposed to shoot

[uneven willow]

Just because lazy worker is creative doesn't mean they succeeded at making it

It's still mad ugly

[queen acorn]

if this is the case chrollo would have gave him a diff move instead of another almost half court shot😭

[junior egret]

its more fun to make though

[queen acorn]

bruhh

wish trap was reworked

having is shoot makes no sense😭

it*

[uneven willow]

What's the point of something being more fun to make if it's only used because of it's strength

[tardy quiver]

they dont care about that clearly

i could see tatlis caring about fun kits

[queen acorn]

he has quite literally stated that he does not care.

great mindset for a game dev right?

[uneven willow]

nobody needed to see him say this to know that

[queen acorn]

😭😭

[queen acorn]

tatlis lowkey the goat

[uneven willow]

We already knew he didn't care as soon as the first chrollo vs tatlis event dropped

[queen acorn]

wish chrollo retired from bbz

handed it off

to someone else

[tardy quiver]

tatlis will make the funnest styles

[queen acorn]

or just gave it fully to tat

[tardy quiver]

for people to clown on them

[queen acorn]

fr

[dry summit]

So, they won't most likely add teamwork as a guaranteed steal since it'd be too broken, but I do agree that he needs more dribbles, all it takes is just 1 cyber/jackpot and it's gg for spider

[uneven willow]

Like the problem is CLEARLY chrollo

[queen acorn]

on god

its literally just chrollo

just hand it off bro

[tardy quiver]

its crazy how venom is winning by millions of points

[queen acorn]

hes making soccer zero anyways

[queen acorn]

picked venom the second it showed up

[tardy quiver]

goes to show the chrollo effect

[queen acorn]

simply because i knew it was going to be busted

free lucky spins

[uneven willow]

tatlis did try making spider balanced but instead of making it fair and honest he made it basically a troll style

[queen acorn]

true

still 1000000%percent better than venom

[tardy quiver]

aside from teamwork and lack of iframes on say hi. Its honestly p good in 2s

only really in 2s

[uneven willow]

And to give credit, venom is MAINLY broken because tendril snatch exists

[queen acorn]

bro

its literally

3 moves in one😭😭😭😭😭

chrollo was on something good making this bro

[tardy quiver]

if you want to call spidey a troll style, its funny to say that a troll style is better made than chrollos venom

[queen acorn]

and of course all 3 moves are busted ash

[uneven willow]

Chrollo was in the lab thinking tendril snatch should be a rebound move along with being better than pre nerf emp reach

[tardy quiver]

he was on something since emperor dropped

clearly

[queen acorn]

true

[tardy quiver]

but at least emperor had some sort of counter play at the time

you could dunk

lock

[uneven willow]

but you couldn't call it out unless they used ultimate pass or just used emp reach

[tardy quiver]

i typically played 2s with my friend

[uneven willow]

Dunking out of fear of getting emp reached was bad design from the start

[tardy quiver]

dunking is the meta in 2s now anyway

posterizer and real basket are just too good

[uneven willow]

amazing on a rim running style like symbiote

[tardy quiver]

inn 3s i cant imagine the hell of it all

[uneven willow]

Chrollo literally got the attention span of the average tik tok user

[tardy quiver]

well thats what he does

he probably scrolls on tiktok to find inspiration

whatevers most popular

[uneven willow]

Yeah he was doomed from the start

[queen acorn]

i hate unblockable dunk zones😭

esp close passing

[tardy quiver]

fr

[queen acorn]

swear to god cant even do none😔😔

all they do is close pass, and then pop rbb or post

[tardy quiver]

just make unblockable dunk zones, harder to block dunks instead

[queen acorn]

yeah

[tardy quiver]

and all they have to do for close passes is buff blocking

[uneven willow]

and the only counter is a one time dunk block of emp defense

[tardy quiver]

the simplest fixes they dont do

[uneven willow]

that you can ONLY use during awakening

[queen acorn]

hes def not above 18

[queen acorn]

PLEASEEE

[tardy quiver]

if hes not above 18 its good for him anyway

[queen acorn]

true

[tardy quiver]

he makes bank and thats all that matters

[queen acorn]

set for life

[tardy quiver]

soccer zero coming out too

[queen acorn]

yipee cant wait

[tardy quiver]

he dipped BLR when it was going downhill

[queen acorn]

isnt blr getting more players than bbz though

[tardy quiver]

every upd its 70k to 40k (bz)

blr is getting more players rn yes

but in its prime, it would always get 300k concurrent

maybe higher

[rare tulip]

NGL spider is perfect

[queen acorn]

dayum

[queen acorn]

bro no the hell it isnt

[tardy quiver]

its perfect with buffs

[queen acorn]

its buns

[rare tulip]

Na

[uneven willow]

Yeah that clearly tells you who the problem was

[queen acorn]

its not like fully buns but

its not good either

[tardy quiver]

its funny though

[queen acorn]

can chrollo highkey retire💔

[tardy quiver]

goalbound

AND bz

disrespect miro

but miro still ends up on top in terms of playercount

[queen acorn]

how does he do it...

no genuinely

he gives out like

[uneven willow]

It's almost like miro actually has drive or something but idk

[queen acorn]

no lucky spins per upd

[queen acorn]

yeah true

styles still feel a bit

too flashy 😭

[tardy quiver]

the quality isnt there anymore for Blr

but it still reins on top in sports games

[queen acorn]

true

even if its not the best

its still better than garbage😭😭

[tardy quiver]

like I like BZ because of its quality and that you have to pass in this game but chrollo just has maybe 5% passion and the rest in i wanna make cool styles i think is cool and money

[uneven willow]

At least they ain't getting bum style drops like LUFFY

[tardy quiver]

luffys most interesting move is its liberation dribble

and even that gets countered by venoms steal

lmao

[uneven willow]

I actually almost dropped the game when luffy was announced

[queen acorn]

feels a bit more skill based but

[tardy quiver]

a dribble move in ultimate loses to a steal move in venoms base

[uneven willow]

I can not stand luffy as a character

[queen acorn]

these styles are ruining it

[tardy quiver]

they probably made luffy because

there was like an ad about the straw hats playing basketball

[queen acorn]

tik tok

[tardy quiver]

but its funny though

they could still redeem themselves

if they just release patch notes

[uneven willow]

Even then, adding luffy in the game wasn't the same as adding cell in the game

[queen acorn]

very much so

its actually crazy how easy they could make the game good again

just try to balance

[chilly wind]

It's balanced tatlis said

[queen acorn]

theres a difference between being balanced and being bad

[chilly wind]

Far from balanced in a competitive eye

[tardy quiver]

well you can't compare it to the styles chrollo makes

its not comp in any way

but its definitely fun

[chilly wind]

Fs

I mean

[dry summit]

I hope spider gets buffs bro

[tardy quiver]

if the game were to do a whole patch

i would pray

that speed dribble and dunk zones get nerfed

[uneven willow]

patches would probably save the game more than style drops

[chilly wind]

People's definition of "balanced" is out rages

[dry summit]

Physic nerfs 🙏

[tardy quiver]

well yeah but thats guaranteed

[dry summit]

I still wait for the crazy physic nerfs

[tardy quiver]

if the game does patch

speed dribble is actually insane

ever since the drop

[dry summit]

with speed dribble

yk you can lit get free dunks

[tardy quiver]

its a legendary too

you zoom across the map with 3 dribbles

[dry summit]

street dribbler got nerfed

for what

[uneven willow]

street dribbler got nerfed so 777 could dominate

[dry summit]

5 dribbles on jackpot

[tardy quiver]

and they re add 777's 5 dribbles

[dry summit]

5

[tardy quiver]

its funny tbh

777 has the best individual buffs but they still buff it

[dry summit]

a no brainer

[uneven willow]

even the buffs outside of the 777 jackpot is still crazy

[dry summit]

can dominate with 777

[uneven willow]

gold vision died so 777 could soar

[tardy quiver]

makes me wonder how chrollo could continue with the fanbase hating on him lmao

[dry summit]

I still remember when I used jackpot and hit the jackpot but I still gotten ankle broken

[tardy quiver]

tatlis included

although people dont hate him for the same reasons as chrollo

[uneven willow]

tatlis is getting less hate but the awakenings he makes are stupid

that's the only thing I dislike about him

[tardy quiver]

i mean he made the best style on release at some point

but he redeemed himself

chrollo could do the same

[uneven willow]

He did "balance" his own style

although uh, well

the awakening is still dumb

[dry summit]

Spider awakening is goofy

[junior egret]

awks are kinda meant to be op

[uneven willow]

they can be crazy but there are levels to it

touching the ball and deleting the entire server is pushing it

[tardy quiver]

i mean saiki literally has 2 moves that reach the entire map

and gives you points

[uneven willow]

at least you can pass through the paint splashes in awakening

it's mainly that global annihilation tatlis has

Like if it that move was JUST the steal, I'd have no problem with the awakening

[dry summit]

Teleport: did not get nerfed

[uneven willow]

ordinary shot basically didn't get nerfed

[dry summit]

Confusion: still annoying to deal with and the pass yeah unfair

[tardy quiver]

emphasize nerfed ordinary shot "a bit"

btw

[dry summit]

They added +0.1s windup

[plush hollow]

Bro venom and spider have the same block/intercept move

[uneven willow]

you still have to jump 3 years ahead to have a chance to block it

[uneven willow]

but spider's has counterplay while venom's don't

well the counterplay to venom's is another venom

Idek if jackpot steal can go through it

[dry summit]

A full team could counter 1 saiki if he doesn't have 777

[tardy quiver]

spider is much more skilled with it being clearly the worse move

you have to use shot sense like emperor reach but be much closer

and it only lasts 3 seconds

[plush hollow]

And venom has moves that are just unfinished

[tardy quiver]

like its fun but you cant compare it to venom

[halcyon widget]

WHY DOESENT SPOODERMAN HAVE ANY IFRAME?

[tardy quiver]

who knows

say hi definitely needs iframes

[uneven willow]

Spider is definitely a team oriented style. Team oriented styles are naturally going to be worse than self reliant styles

[dry summit]

Whole base moveset got no dribble iframes 💔🥀

[plush hollow]

Wdym his cause venoms is better doesn’t mean it’s not the same move

[halcyon widget]

the 2nd move with the ball

[uneven willow]

But spider is a little too team oriented

[halcyon widget]

while you are doin the animation

people can still it

[tardy quiver]

because its not 🙏

[halcyon widget]

its lowk still bad at that too

[tardy quiver]

they might both be defensive moves

thats the only similarity

[halcyon widget]

teamwork got TOO long windup

works at very niche situations

[uneven willow]

it's a troll move

[halcyon widget]

I dont think it was supposed to be troll move

I remembered we failed to block someone, and I threw someone far to block a shot

[uneven willow]

Your teammate just shouldn't be able to get ankle broken

[plush hollow]

Nah nerf it it’s too op ( I hate being thrown )

[halcyon widget]

but tis niche and purely luck cause the guy who was gna shoot did take his time

[dry summit]

Now that's true

[uneven willow]

you can not get stolen but you shouldn't get ankle broken

[halcyon widget]

teamwork is truly mid

[tardy quiver]

its either reduced windup + not able to be ankle broken or guaranteed steals

[halcyon widget]

whats the other move called for teamwork?

[tardy quiver]

but I've had enough of guaranteed steals

tbh

[halcyon widget]

guranteed steal would be lil too op man 😭

[uneven willow]

If teamwork didn't make your teammate get ankle broken, it'd be a good move for getting someone on your team on an opponent who got insanely far due to a dribble move, for example

[tardy quiver]

it wouldnt

[plush hollow]

Guaranteed steal would be dumb but yeah faster windup

[tardy quiver]

with the windup, it would definitely have counterplay

[halcyon widget]

probably yea

by passing

[uneven willow]

It needs wind up + your teammate has ankle break immunity

[tardy quiver]

exactly

[halcyon widget]

if they keep the windup same

then gurnateeed steal wouldnt be broken

[junior egret]

spider + kuroko invis

[halcyon widget]

it actively allows the other opponent to think and pass

instead of ball hogging

[junior egret]

it would just make them pass through, not steal

[tardy quiver]

whos really using phantom rn tho lmao

[junior egret]

me.

[halcyon widget]

aint nobody wanna play phantom for that 😭

[tardy quiver]

yeah me too

[junior egret]

i use every bad style

[uneven willow]

The one time a guaranteed steal wouldn't be broken, tatlis doesn't add it

[plush hollow]

No guaranteed steal faster windup + can’t be ankle broken

[halcyon widget]

ong 😭

[halcyon widget]

HELL NAW

[junior egret]

chuck is fire

[uneven willow]

it'd be solid if it went that route also

[halcyon widget]

the dribble needs BU8FF

[plush hollow]

Bro guaranteed steaks are just not a good idea

[halcyon widget]

A HUGE ONE

[uneven willow]

you'd quickly put a teammate on defense

[halcyon widget]

cause it doesent matter if I side dash

they are always faster then me 😭

why cant I control where I SIDEDASH ATLEAST

[halcyon widget]

faster windup would be too much no?

[tardy quiver]

roll back depends on your camera

[uneven willow]

that's if the wind up is crazy

[plush hollow]

True controlling where you go would make sense

[halcyon widget]

a?

[uneven willow]

Look at uncle sam's canon shot
You can still block it if you're reasonably close, but he's going to make it if you're far enough

[halcyon widget]

why cant I you know, make the dash go vertically like basketball god

[plush hollow]

….

[halcyon widget]

going only sidedash is NOT a good dribble mobve

[uneven willow]

Uncle sam before the wind up to his canon shot got buffed, was NEVER making the shot

[tardy quiver]

not sure why you would want to

it has 0 iframes

[plush hollow]

It’s fine you’re over reacting

[halcyon widget]

yea but it be better if I cover more distance closer to the shooting zone

[plush hollow]

Wait what

[halcyon widget]

then just not making any distance

[tardy quiver]

its a stepback

step backs are usually good

[halcyon widget]

yep non at all

[stark gyro]

its crazy how they give symbiote an unblockable, uncounterable (except itself and jackpots steal (which ignores i-frames)) steal whic h is even MORE op than tatlis' steal on release which basically the entire community agreed was broken

[halcyon widget]

I wouldve liked it if it had iframes

0 complains

[plush hollow]

Ok so maybe add some I frames and then it’s fine

[halcyon widget]

yet here we are

[tardy quiver]

most of the time people dont steal from me when I use roll back

[stark gyro]

they need to add i-frames to a few abilities

[uneven willow]

tatlis on release mixed with emperor on release

[tardy quiver]

unless they're venom ofc

[plush hollow]

[exotic obsidian]

Another fix they could put on teamwork is making u throw an ENEMY instead, stunning either both of them or just the dude u threw if they dribble it

[tardy quiver]

say hi needs iframes and teamwork needs iframes on the tm so they wont get ankle broken + reduced windup

you can also steal from shot sense for some reason too

[plush hollow]

Nah..

[exotic obsidian]

Why not?

[tardy quiver]

for a high skill ceiling move have such a defect is crzy to me

[junior egret]

[stark gyro]

you can steal from shot sense as well as rubbers gum block making both basically useless which is insane to me

[uneven willow]

no

[tardy quiver]

they're a simple fix but

[exotic obsidian]

It's even more convenient to the team cuz u aren't yoinking a random teammate away from whatever theh were doing before

[tardy quiver]

dont expect any balance changes anytime soon

[exotic obsidian]

How does that not work 😭

[plush hollow]

Whole point of “TEAMWORK” is to be used on a TEAMmate

[uneven willow]

because teamwork is a team oriented move

and taking out 2 enemy players with one move is lowkey dumb

[exotic obsidian]

Tbf spider-man is fully capable of yoinking a dude, throwing him at his boys and then calling it a team effort

[exotic obsidian]

Also calling that move a team oriented move is doing it alot of favors

[tardy quiver]

saiki is capable of destroying earth

not really the best argument

[stark gyro]

its called teamwork because you work with a teammate bro what are you on about having it throw an enemy

[uneven willow]

it's fundamentally a team oriented move

It just wasn't execuded

[exotic obsidian]

I'm not talking about physical capability, goofy

[tardy quiver]

well still, im not sure why they would make that

its just broken

[lime willow]

up

only buff spider needs tho is the steal its so bad

[tardy quiver]

the steal is good it just needs iframes

[exotic obsidian]

You can't even say it's fundementally a team oriented move, that's like saying bojack sacrificing his group was a team effort

[lime willow]

i mean venom got a sure steal and spider got a steal that is easy to avoid

[tardy quiver]

its easy to avoid if the spider uses it for no reason

[exotic obsidian]

Litteraly everything spider has is easy to avoid 😭

[tardy quiver]

and venom is a chrollo style

[exotic obsidian]

What do they even have in common?

I keep seeing ppl say that

[lime willow]

its easy to avoid all the time ngl only way to hit it is when the enemy is slow in his head

[tardy quiver]

they both got webs lmao

[tardy quiver]

use it like emperor reach

use shot sense when you see animation

[exotic obsidian]

????

[lime willow]

i dont mean shot sense i mean teeamwork

[tardy quiver]

bruh

[lime willow]

teamwork*

[exotic obsidian]

Atp just block the shot 😭

[lime willow]

fr

[burnt reef]

they need to add anklebreak to ppl who try to steal the ball during say hi

[quick plume]

venom has it its kinda unfair

[tardy quiver]

you arent wrong but im sure it has more range than regular blocks

[exotic obsidian]

Maybe

[tardy quiver]

and if they fake then you have more opportunities with shot sense

[lime willow]

still crazy how tatlis learned how to make balanced styles and chrollo makes everytime a game breaking one

[lime willow]

just dont fall for the fake...

[tardy quiver]

you still have more opportunities if you use shot sense on a fake

[exotic obsidian]

Also i'd like to point out, even if they DID make teamwork faster and not dribbleable or wtv, it's still activelly a detriment to the team

[lime willow]

and the range ofi t is hella small

[tardy quiver]

you dont have to fall for a fake if you just use shot sense

[exotic obsidian]

Ur still taking ur teammate away from defending for 2 straight seconds

[lime willow]

ye

[tardy quiver]

its 2 seconds straight if it isnt reduced windup

it really depends on how fast it is

[lime willow]

while the teamwork grabs your mate the enemy can easy just make a shot

[exotic obsidian]

And unless ur actively in a call or something, u don't coordinate with them that ur gonna use the move unless u just feel like telling the enemies the whole gameplan

[tardy quiver]

and imagine a chrollo or sum

dribbles across court

teamwork with buffs would be viable

maybe even in combination with teleport

[exotic obsidian]

Nope, still too slow unless they make it litteraly instant

[lime willow]

just make teamwork a sure steal like vanom got one...

[tardy quiver]

you're still wasting their dribble

[pearl mural]

roll away is very eh too

like sure its good to escape blocks at the line

[exotic obsidian]

Unless they make it so the teammate INSTANTLY gets up, in which case we're back to square 1 of it becoming busted

[lime willow]

works maybe 3 times max and aftert that i know you use it

[pearl mural]

correct

[tardy quiver]

would it really be busted if the style itself has one good move

[pearl mural]

the whole style is mid af

[exotic obsidian]

Brother we aren't ONLY trying to have teamwork buffed 😭

[tardy quiver]

yes

but the buffs included even in this post don't make the style as a whole OP

[exotic obsidian]

Litteraly the entire kit needs to be buffed

[pearl mural]

like i get it's meant to be a support-ish style but realistically it aint doing anything on the court

[lime willow]

its aint bad its just balanced but bad if chrollo is to slow to make a balanced style

[pearl mural]

its between bad and balanced imo

[uneven willow]

tendril dribble shouldn't stun also

[stable lichen]

The buff I read were "Make teamwork a guaranteed steal" exceptionally intelligent idea

[tardy quiver]

that buff you read was if they wouldnt reduce the windup

intelligent guy

[uneven willow]

Tendril dribble should just fling you by the defender instead of taking them and whoever is in your path out the game

[exotic obsidian]

Tbf on paper it works, u still fully have the option of passing the ball considering how slow the move is

[stable lichen]

You repeated what I said

[lime willow]

ye i mean it would be good if chroolo wouldnt make all his styles the most op ones in the game i mean cyber was good and ofc saiki was hella op without any reason

[exotic obsidian]

Plus it still has the detriment of requiring 2 ppl

[junior egret]

Yo yo yo!

[tardy quiver]

https://tenor.com/view/summrs-basketball-miss-airball-kankan-gif-24783826

[junior egret]

[pearl mural]

that doesn't have anything to do with this

we're talking about spider being mid

[exotic obsidian]

2 ppl + a decently long windup surely makes it easy enough to justify a guaranteed steal

[junior egret]

https://tenor.com/view/adams-basketball-shooting-shot-gif-16857071

[tardy quiver]

exactly

[stable lichen]

[junior egret]

guaranteed steals shouldnt even exist

[uneven willow]

emp vision 25% clutching up

[stark gyro]

exactly because whats the point of actually using styles if you can just have a guaranteed steal

[tardy quiver]

they can exist if the move requires such a high exchange for it

[exotic obsidian]

They shouldn't, but if teamwork had it then it wouldn't be busted cuz theres still very accessible counterplay

[junior egret]

the most fun the game was, was before all these guaranteed steals or shots

[uneven willow]

Defense should always have counterplay

[lime willow]

its aint mid tho its just looks bad bc venom is hella op spider is balanced a few smal buffs and its good

[uneven willow]

Making every style brick walls make offense feel way worse than it should

[exotic obsidian]

Matter of fact, if teamwork had a guaranteed steal, the game as a whole would benefit from it

[pearl mural]

it hardly has usecases ingame

[stark gyro]

spider and rubber are kinda mid because they could use buffs to make them genuinely good, but venom just having a guaranteed, unblockable, uncounterable (except itself and jp) as well as a dash / anti-steal just makes it op and unfair

[exotic obsidian]

Cuz it descourages ball hoggers from, well, ball hogging

[pearl mural]

like you said roll away is predictable

teamwork hardly works

[junior egret]

just revert the game back to only having mythics

[tardy quiver]

too late for that

[junior egret]

just make a separate server for only knb styles

like pro servers

[exotic obsidian]

If anything pro servers should be mythics only 😭

[junior egret]

name one knb style thats op

[uneven willow]

you think that'll work, but it won't

[lime willow]

say hi is good tho roll up aint bad too you can fake bump and use it on top you can use it in both directions its just teamwork that nerfs the style

[exotic obsidian]

Remind me what knb is again 😭

[junior egret]

the 5 year old kids that play the game will be fine

[tardy quiver]

say hi is only good if the other team doesnt realize it doesnt have iframes

[junior egret]

kurokos basketball

[tardy quiver]

i like that it stuns people near you tho

[junior egret]

the anime bbz is based off

[exotic obsidian]

Oohhh

[uneven willow]

World of Warcraft had a similar problem. They gave players an old version of the game on separate servers, those failed

[exotic obsidian]

Yeah u lost me, cbf to go watch it

[junior egret]

just every style that isnt limited, luffy or todo

or lazy worker

[uneven willow]

It won't solve the problem by separating it, you'll strain the playerbase even more

[junior egret]

or jackpot

[pearl mural]

say hi is hardly gonna be used when hardly anyone blindly steals the ball, don't forget the lack of iframes

[lime willow]

in 2v2 its aint bad bc you stun both in 3v3 its mid but most of the time if some1 steal the ball while the animation plays he gets stunned so you can steal it back

[exotic obsidian]

Giant

Giant is all around obnoxious

[uneven willow]

You just have to deal with what you have right now and somehow make it less slop

[tardy quiver]

in 2s you get stolen mid animation

[smoky reef]

We don't need guaranteed steals it's already bad enough with venom

[exotic obsidian]

Ace is also stupid

[tardy quiver]

it makes no sense

[exotic obsidian]

Star has a self alleyoop from full court that basically can't be stopped

[stable lichen]

Then we come back to the universal problem.... 2v2 is buns

[tardy quiver]

ace was stupid before the rework

[smoky reef]

Copy

[tardy quiver]

a little camera trick and the shot move will always land

[lime willow]

me and my dou / trio use dribble pass most of the time some1 tries to steal after that your mate passes back and you use it

[lime willow]

ye ...

[exotic obsidian]

Lock is just overall annoying

[uneven willow]

ace been dumb. it was and still is one of the best rim running styles in the game

[tawny night]

agreed

[lime willow]

still funny they ask for a balance team and still not even a single balance update was added

[tardy quiver]

but people could hardly use it with the close passing meta

and that its awk is copied by other styles and made better

[uneven willow]

i love facing away from the hoop using athletic fade and still making the shot because it auto locks on the hoop at a certain range

[stable lichen]

Gotta make that money then a week later they'll nerf everything

[tardy quiver]

i always did it on the 3 point line

especially with posterizer it made its dribble so annoying

[tardy quiver]

psychic hasnt been nerfed once too

ordinary shot is practically the same

[exotic obsidian]

I love when my teammate that uses emperor uses their pass, forces me to shoot and i get my shot blocked bc of it

[lime willow]

i mean saiki is still good with the shot only predictable sure dunk zone still op sure dunkabillitys still op only thing they have to do is make sure dunks or shots have higher cooldown and remove sure dunk zones in 2v2 and fix that you can just shot from half court instantly

[junior egret]

copy is only as op as the other styles are

i literally counter copys easily

just play chuck

he wont have the same range or heat check like you will

and nobody wants to use dribble king

[stable lichen]

777 is still meta sad times man

[uneven willow]

no, unblockable dunks just shouldn't be a thing. It's like having a zone that gives you unblockable shots

[lime willow]

nerfed it and made it op again

[uneven willow]

They shouldn't exist. They can of course make dunks and shots faster, but never unblockable

[tardy quiver]

in 2s, you have to just watch people make dunks lmao

[uneven willow]

You remove all counterplay

[tardy quiver]

give me a chair while I watch myself get destroyed by dunks in 2s

[stable lichen]

To be fair cyber vs psychic was before the balanced team was fully unified we'll probably be getting a lengthy balance patch sometime soon