nerf luffy

[balmy dawn]

to give up another 3?

[opal ingot]

You blocked a potential 3 pointer just for them to make a 3 pointer

[young bane]

sorry it doesnt just steal without 0 counter play!

sorry bro

[opal ingot]

How does that make sense

[young bane]

sorry it doesnt have a full court

follow up

for a 3 pointer

sorry luffy doesnt do everything for you

sorry bro

[opal ingot]

When did I say that

[quasi saffron]

lol

[balmy dawn]

yo?

[opal ingot]

He's actually crashing TF OUT

[balmy dawn]

what’s your problem?

we’re saying luffy needs buffs 💔

[quasi saffron]

fr but hes not wrong

[young bane]

no fr saying luffy block sucks sure it might suck depends when and what also depends on your positioning

[quasi saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/nuh-uh-beocord-no-lol-gif-24435520

[young bane]

regardless it blocks

a shot

anyway

with 0 effort

basically

just click it

[balmy dawn]

just to get the ball stolen and give up a 3 anyway?

[opal ingot]

There are many other 0 effort shot blockers that are better

[quasi saffron]

then js pass ez

[opal ingot]

animation lag

you wouldn't be able to

[balmy dawn]

recovery frames + end lag stop that

[quasi saffron]

still its a block

[young bane]

no player reacts to passes or pump fakes unless you have no idea how your abilities work

[opal ingot]

and it's a free steal

[young bane]

same good giant player will never react to pumpfake

[hybrid lake]

Instead of buffing luffy lets just nerf smybiote

[quasi saffron]

good point

[opal ingot]

the difference between giant and luffy is that you can't steal through snatch block

[balmy dawn]

why can’t both happen?

[young bane]

as i said

[hybrid lake]

Cause we dont need to buff luffy

[young bane]

sorry it doesnt guarantee you steal with 0 counterplay

[quasi saffron]

hes good as he is

[opal ingot]

it does have counterplay

[balmy dawn]

luffy needs a buff and symbiote needs a nerf, 2 things can be true

[balmy dawn]

he really isn’t 💔

[opal ingot]

it's called get the ball back on defense

[young bane]

read it again

[quasi saffron]

nah just symbiote needs nerf

[young bane]

if you want guaranteed steal then it should be prediction based similar to emp reach

[quasi saffron]

im out this is clear ragebait

[balmy dawn]

3 out of luffy’s 4 moves are useless

[quasi saffron]

and i aint falling for it

[opal ingot]

so turn snatch black into sky leap 2.0

[hybrid lake]

So basically you want luffy to have a guarenteed steal

[young bane]

emp reach is the only skill based defensive ability cuz of the "prediction" if you just click it you'll get a huge punishment

also pressure defense

is skill based

those 2 only defensive abilities that are balanced out

also ace dash

[balmy dawn]

luffy on a good day btw

[young bane]

tbh

even flash dash both

[opal ingot]

emp reach isn't reliable due to how inconsistent looking at opponents is

[balmy dawn]

i never said this btw

the block just needs i-frames

[opal ingot]

I went against people who were giving me a massage with emp reach active and it didn't steal

[young bane]

yes emp reach isnt consistent

[balmy dawn]

the steal is useless 💔

[young bane]

its bugged

when you press emp reach

no matter who is around you

if someone is close to you

or blocks your view

to someone you wanna block

[hybrid lake]

For how long

[young bane]

it will think that you want to block someone without the ball

so yea it doesnt work

[opal ingot]

it needs a small steal window

NOT like what they did to lock's intercept

[balmy dawn]

long enough to not get the ball stolen? that’s a start

[hybrid lake]

So for the full time your stunned or like 3/4

[young bane]

if it gets iframes then it should be skill based with small block window or prediction

[balmy dawn]

yes

[young bane]

but then people with cry luffy block hard to use

because bbz community brains are friend

fried

[opal ingot]

no?

[young bane]

yes

[balmy dawn]

that’s a 1/4 or 25% chance of getting the ball stolen

[opal ingot]

Sky leap is reliant on HARD predictions and it's not hard to use

[young bane]

exactly on prediction

and theres a lot of people saying

star and giant is mid

[opal ingot]

that doesn't mean it's difficult to use

[young bane]

even tho giant snatch is easier to use

[opal ingot]

that means the players are bad

[young bane]

ppl still say giant sucks

exaclty as i said

bbz community brains

are fried

[balmy dawn]

this doesn’t change the fact that luffy deserves at least some kind of i-frames

as it’s the worst miracle

[opal ingot]

1 second steal window

[young bane]

1 second steal window bro what 😭

thats a lot

0.5

cuz of ms

ping

also

taking in consideration

average human react time

is way lower

0.5-0.6

would be okay

[balmy dawn]

you have like a mean 2-3 seconds to steal the ball anyway

so yea that could work

[young bane]

thats the problem ppl want abilities

almost perfect

with no disadvantages

luffy block easy to use

so it shouldnt be a high high reward

[night olive]

exactly

[young bane]

if you want it to have high reward

then make it hard to use

[balmy dawn]

at the cost of an easy steal from the opposing team

[young bane]

as i said depends

positioning is important

ive been using luffy and depends from what angle and what position and also what other player thinks

[opal ingot]

Positioning won't matter because the logical play is to play man to man...

[young bane]

steal is still decent

[opal ingot]

Man to man negates all forms of positioning

[balmy dawn]

if it’s man to man and luffy uses the steal, the person they were guarding can just steal the ball

[opal ingot]

The only time positioning works is if the entire team is ball chasing

[young bane]

as i said it depends on what and how

its like you saying you counter chrollo ult by dunking

no you dont

its more risky

depends if you have dunk zone

[opal ingot]

no it's not

[young bane]

or not

[solar shadow]

but that’s exactly how you counter it?

[young bane]

with unblockable dunk zone

yes

without

n

o

[opal ingot]

there are dunk abilities + zones

to counter chrollo awakening

[solar shadow]

you don’t need to rely on a zone to dunk

[young bane]

2 + 2 + 2

6

[young bane]

3 + 3 = 6

imagine

byt those 2 dunks

easier to block

i mean 34

3

than a shot

unless you have specific

zone or style

[opal ingot]

you can literally just bait the jump or pass to a teammate in the 2 paint zone with you

[young bane]

use your brain

no way!

you can just pump fake

and always score a 3

[solar shadow]

this guy gotta be low elo

[young bane]

unblockable 3!

[balmy dawn]

ref

[young bane]

exaxctly you are playing against bad palyers that react to that

well done

[balmy dawn]

define low elo?

[solar shadow]

no bro i’m talking about u

[night olive]

just make gum block slap the ball in a random direction like blink and get rid of the end lag

[young bane]

bros slow

as hell

[opal ingot]

This has to be ragebait

like he has to be ragebaiting

[solar shadow]

diamond

[balmy dawn]

damn chat i’m cooked 💔

[young bane]

also talking about rating

anyone can get hr

[solar shadow]

nah man, pump fake will definitely be a guaranteed 3 pointer in ranked!

[young bane]

regardless

[balmy dawn]

i would say low elo should be considered like gold to plat 1

[young bane]

dunking against chrollo is so risky

as i said unless you have specific zones

[opal ingot]

no it's not

[young bane]

or abilities

[balmy dawn]

not really

[opal ingot]

you don't need specific zones to dunk

[young bane]

if you dunk against an idiot

sure

it works

[balmy dawn]

it’s more of 50/50

[young bane]

as i said you need to do 3 succesful dunks

[opal ingot]

dunking and shooting are all 50/50s without abilities

[young bane]

which is a high risk

[solar shadow]

dude i’m dunking on champs/legends in ranked no zone required

[young bane]

im a spiderman irl

what now

[balmy dawn]

they all jump once you get into the paint anyway 😭

[night olive]

.

[balmy dawn]

either that or they just rush the steal

[young bane]

you jsut stand under the hoop

react to

dunk

sfx

that starts

then you jump

no player

with 70+

iq

will just jump

[balmy dawn]

pair this with the fact that you can’t just steal the ball on inbounding anymore

[solar shadow]

if a player is standing under the hoop obviously just shoot rather than dunk

[opal ingot]

close passing under the hoop exists 😛 😛

[balmy dawn]

you can just waltz your way into the paint, or bait the drive for a 3

[solar shadow]

that would still waste chrollos awk ability

[young bane]

2v1 mode doesnt exist 😛

[balmy dawn]

teammates?

[opal ingot]

doesn't need to be a 2v1

close passes are meta because you can't counter them

at all

[young bane]

whyat really no way

what!

[balmy dawn]

why are we being so sarcastic 💔

[young bane]

guys lets counter psychic in a 3v3

just shot the ball

to them

so they dont grab us

what a good idea guys

[opal ingot]

constantly changing the styles doesn't help whatever you're trying to argue

[solar shadow]

what is this trying to prove rn

[opal ingot]

Idk

He lost me

[balmy dawn]

idk

[young bane]

because im trying to give proper arguments instead of just saying "dunk counters chrollo"

like bro

[balmy dawn]

dunks are literally effective against chrollo btw

[young bane]

cool

[opal ingot]

Explain to me what you're supposed to do other than dunk

[young bane]

as i said 3 dunks more risky than just giving them the ball once

[opal ingot]

Since dunking is too risky

[young bane]

use your brain

a little bit more

[balmy dawn]

not really

[young bane]

lol

okay

alright

whatever

[balmy dawn]

yo, have a cordial conversation

[upbeat lily]

ngl

[balmy dawn]

no need to act like a superior intellectual 💔

[solar shadow]

what proper argument is there, your whole argument on the chrollo dunk situation was just “people stand under net 🧌”

[young bane]

one guy talks about rating

that has barely anything

to do with skill

sure it does

depends

on a player

how they got their rating

but regardless

[upbeat lily]

just stand under net , and keep blocking dunks

[young bane]

you can get hr even if you are bad

[young bane]

nah bro

they bait

your jump

by passing each other

so enemy team jumps

or tries to steal

[opal ingot]

He's entering psychosis
Actually lost me

[balmy dawn]

this quite literally happens btw

[opal ingot]

Uninterested atp

[young bane]

psychosis

what are you even talking about 😭

this community

is something

[balmy dawn]

you’re the only person disagreeing btw

[solar shadow]

he’s incompetent

[young bane]

yes i should agree tbh

[opal ingot]

When you represent the average bbz chatter

what are we talking about

[young bane]

at least im giving arguments

instead of saying

[opal ingot]

we gave arguments

[solar shadow]

can’t process anything outside of his own thoughts

[young bane]

bro enters psychosis

[balmy dawn]

you’re trying to act you’re so much smarter than us 💔

[young bane]

(the guy who thinks rating on bbz is the definition of skill)

[balmy dawn]

umm?

[solar shadow]

what’s ur rank bro

[balmy dawn]

is that not the point of a ranking system 💔

[young bane]

i dont play ranked if you play ranked you are just wasting your time

i mean if you enjoy

[solar shadow]

yeah you’re garbage

[young bane]

eating

garbage

sure

[balmy dawn]

pretty sure a gold can’t hang in master to champ lobbies 😭

[solar shadow]

definitely a bot

[young bane]

yes im def a bot with 0 understanding how every style works

[solar shadow]

if you genuinely play BBZ pubs idk anymore

[young bane]

in a low skill ceiling game

[balmy dawn]

it doesn’t matter if you play ranked or not, you should know that there’s a skill gap from rank to rank 😭

[solar shadow]

if it’s low skill then just get legend in ranked

shouldn’t be that hard for a prodigy like yourself

[young bane]

what for

tell me

do i care

about some

title

in some game

on roblox

like if you do

then you have mental problems

realistically

lol

[balmy dawn]

you sure seem to care a lot about a style that we think deserves a buff

[solar shadow]

yo are u challenged

[balmy dawn]

on roblox btw

[solar shadow]

i brought up RR to get a basic understanding of ur skill in this game

and you’re not even ranked

[young bane]

i can tell you enjoy ranked

good for you if you do

but just dont bring

in

rating

when you argue with someone

its just stupid

you dont see it

but it is

[solar shadow]

you couldn’t defend any argument i brought up

[young bane]

on some other games

yes

not on bbz

bbz ranked is a mess

you know it everyone does

[solar shadow]

it’s barely a mess, the only thing that needs changing is venoms steal

[young bane]

surely

surely unblockable dunk zones are also balanced

[opal ingot]

psychic could use slight tuning

[young bane]

and fair

[balmy dawn]

and what games, pray tell, might you be ranked in

[young bane]

we are on bbz discord

want to talk about other games

[opal ingot]

and by slight tuning i mean actual balancing

[young bane]

go find someone

no idea

[balmy dawn]

you mentioned “other games” first btw 😭

[solar shadow]

if you think having an unblockable dunk zone will win you every game idk anymore

[young bane]

am i the one who wants to talk about other games or what

[balmy dawn]

no but you sure are the only one who keeps changing the subject 😭

like this was a luffy discussion

what did chrollo have to do with it?

[young bane]

i gave an example

[opal ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/blue-lock-itoshi-rin-crazy-stick-out-tongue-gif-17089045743484062610

this is bro rn

[young bane]

for you to understand easier

now we sending gifs

welp

[opal ingot]

straight tweaking

[young bane]

yes im straight tweaking so mad rn

lol

[balmy dawn]

you don’t give us a chance to speak and when you do, you overshadow the chat with your rapid replies

[young bane]

sorry i reply

i shouldnt reply

to a god

3 gods here

[balmy dawn]

you proceed to bring up another topic when we’re talking about luffy

[opal ingot]

atp let bro tweak in peace

[young bane]

yes hard to argue with someone without giving an easier example

[balmy dawn]

you literally proved my point btw 😭

[young bane]

for them to understand

if their brain is completely fried

i tried to make it easier

[balmy dawn]

no one said you can’t, i’m saying the WHOLE conversation shifted from luffy to chrollo and dunking 😭

[young bane]

is that your only concern

or what

i just gave an example

and got back to luffy

i didnt even shift anything

i didnt change subjects

i gave example

to what we were arguing about

[opal ingot]

You quite literally didn't go back to luffy

[solar shadow]

do you genuinely think you’re in the right here

[balmy dawn]

he’s gonna say yes

[opal ingot]

You went to chrollo and then started yapping about dunking

[solar shadow]

3 on 1 and you don’t think your way of thinking in this game is flawed

[opal ingot]

Common knowledge ain't that common it seems

[balmy dawn]

can’t wait to see 15 replies on this

[opal ingot]

No shot the ratio is 3:1 against you and you still think you're the one that's correct

[solar shadow]

i tried to see his common knowledge based on his rank and bro went on a spree about how ranked is a waste of time

while actively playing pubs gaining nothing out of it

[young bane]

did i say im correct all i was arguing obv no person will agree with another person if they have different views both sides will think they are correct not someone

i might be correct or you might be correct

[opal ingot]

I personally don't think rank determines EVERYTHING, but I do think it does give a decent estimation of your skill

[solar shadow]

atleast ranked gives u lucky spins, definitely more value than a public match

[young bane]

ppl join to have fun btw

and fun is subjective

for you its ranked

for me ranked is a boring mess

for you its not

then play it

i dont want to

i like comps or pubs more

[opal ingot]

I don't play ranked because I'm
1.) Playing ranked in other games atm
2.) Waiting for games to drop

[solar shadow]

obviously not, even in a game like fortnite getting unreal is easy. but if a person actively dodges playing a more competitive version of the game it’s clear that they’re of lesser skill 😭😭😭

[young bane]

yes not on bbz though

[opal ingot]

I only use BBZ as a past time but that don't matter

[young bane]

bbz skill ceiling is relatively low

[solar shadow]

comp is ranked…

[balmy dawn]

this is a bbz discord, why are you talking about you being ranked in other games?

[young bane]

?

what

did i say me being ranked in other games LOL

what

i said 0 things about me being ranked in some other game

[solar shadow]

so do u play pubs in every game or just BBZ then

[balmy dawn]

yes..yes you did?

you said “i’m ranked in other games”

[young bane]

what

okay

what

nah

those ppl

idk if you are trolling rn or ragebaiting

whatever

[opal ingot]

ironic you're the one calling out trolling/ragebaiting

[young bane]

saying im tweaking vale is probably not tweaking

[balmy dawn]

is this not you saying you play ranked on other games?

nah, gotta be ai generated 😭

[solar shadow]

🖨️

🤖

[young bane]

what are you trying to prove

[opal ingot]

Ironic you're saying that

[solar shadow]

he’s grabbing receipts

to back up his fact on you

[balmy dawn]

YOU said you play ranked in other games, THEN proceeded to say “it’s a BBZ discord, talk about other games with someone else”

[opal ingot]

Bro denied the accusation and then says "what are you trying to prove" after getting fact checked

[young bane]

did i mention any other games tho

[solar shadow]

clanker

[young bane]

did i mention the name

of games

you asked me

what game i play

[opal ingot]

This is what I mean by ragebaiting

[solar shadow]

😭😭😭

[young bane]

i refused

[solar shadow]

this guy is dense as a rock

[young bane]

i said an example

you are the one changing the subject

at least i gave proper arguments

[opal ingot]

Has to be projecting

[balmy dawn]

you quite literally mentioned you’re ranked in other games?

need i show the proof again?

ro asked about your rank in BBZ, not if you play ranked in other games chat

[opal ingot]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/1060929103148089436/1171992757259227257/another_day_in_my_silly_little_life._pushing_the_silly_little_buttons.gif

this is bro

[young bane]

so you lost an argument you bring this no sense

great

[young bane]

what does it have to do

[balmy dawn]

mind you, it’s a bbz discord

[young bane]

with me being "ranked"

in other games

obv yo uwanted to talk about other games

i gave an example

read it again

or read it 10 times

[balmy dawn]

he asked about your basketball zero rank

[young bane]

you are the person who has no idea what is copyright

[balmy dawn]

not if you play ranked in other games

[young bane]

i was talking to i remember

[opal ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/homelander-sitting-sad-gif-4089198943585804127

[young bane]

he asked about my bbz rank i said that bbz rank is a mess

compared to actual games

[balmy dawn]

if someone’s asking about your rank in this game, why are you bringing up the fact that you’re ranked in other games

[young bane]

what now

[balmy dawn]

“actual games” have nothing to do with this 💔

[young bane]

did i bring the fact im ranked in other games

[balmy dawn]

…?

ykw

[young bane]

bros slow

really slow

[opal ingot]

let him tweak in peace

[balmy dawn]

you’re so right

[young bane]

say it 10 times more

[opal ingot]

rest easy, warrior

[young bane]

he didnt understand

[balmy dawn]

you said yourself “i’m ranked on other games yea” btw

have a good day though

[young bane]

i said compared to other games

i said nothing about me being ranked in them

holy hell

you cant read

i see

[balmy dawn]

have a good day chat

[opal ingot]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-shoo-away-gif-13653609800890535042

[young bane]

lost an argument changed subject 10 times with your friends spamming gifs

[balmy dawn]

gang you can leave

[young bane]

you can leave if you want

[balmy dawn]

the conversation is over 💔

[young bane]

yes

its over

let ro insert his

low iq coin

in

[balmy dawn]

then why did you proceed to keep going?

[solar shadow]

once again, i asked your rank to better understand your general understanding of the game

i didn’t ask for your opinion on it

[young bane]

realistically it doesnt prove anything

at least on bbz

[solar shadow]

dude

[young bane]

said it 5 times

btw

[solar shadow]

you talk about low IQ but you can’t even fathom the words i say

[balmy dawn]

just say “have a good day” to him and let it be

[young bane]

asking that is irrelevant

[solar shadow]

you must have something going on

[solar shadow]

gotcha

[young bane]

yes i am the one who thinks rank completely proves your general understanding of the game 💔

and regardless ranked players join pubs too obv if theres some person playing against them they'll learn regardless since this game is simple and has low skill ceiling

you could just ask about points

[solar shadow]

yo clearly you’re garbage at the game, you think the basics makes you a prodigy and you can’t process anything outside of your own thoughts. obviously ranked requires skill which is something you’re insecure of so you stay tucked away in pubs. you lack social awareness and its clear this is how you are online and outside of it
3:1 ratio btw ✌️

GG

@balmy dawn have a good day man

[young bane]

damn im trash at this game

[balmy dawn]

you too

[opal ingot]

this chat will end

https://tenor.com/view/mr-peabody-hypnotize-gif-18017563854157472082

[balmy dawn]

back to the topic at hand, luffy needs a buff

[opal ingot]

undeniable

[young bane]

talking about social awareness, insecurity

crazy

def im the one whos insecure to boost my ego in a low skill game by playing ranked

[balmy dawn]

they should’ve given it the switcher treatment

[opal ingot]

i lowkey don't like switcher

ragebait style

[balmy dawn]

“ohhh no, I say when you have the ball” ahh style

[opal ingot]

switcher and animalistic the 2 things that make sniper good

[young tinsel]

Luffy DOSENT need a NERF...

[balmy dawn]

we know twin, we know

[young tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-animals-say-cheese-smile-creepy-excited-gif-6564757416229948468

[balmy dawn]

if anything it needs a buff

[young tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/dungeong-gif-3654754744145897317

[balmy dawn]

4 moves and only one of them is viable 😭

[young tinsel]

It's balanced

[balmy dawn]

the block needs some i-frames but other than that, i guess

[young bane]

ppl were asking for lock buffs

what happened is it being one of the most braindead styles

[young tinsel]

Idk why they want him nerfed

It's pure defense

Yet people want Luffy buffed

[young bane]

with 0 punishment

[young tinsel]

Even tho he's an all rounder

[young tinsel]

Hands up has a cruel punishment

[opal ingot]

the problem with lock was that it was the buffs people didn't want

[young bane]

lock is about intercept

intercept has 0 consequences of you spamming it

[opal ingot]

the majority just wanted the animation to be faster

[young tinsel]

1 mobe

Move

[opal ingot]

while still being able to steal through it

[young tinsel]

Lots of styles have that

[young bane]

theres no style that lets you spamm the button for it intercept / block only when some condition is happening

intercept you spam till something happens

it doesnt go on cd if you just spam it

theres no timing or anything required

[young tinsel]

The only style that rly makes lock USLESS

Is psychic

[young bane]

it was okay first time

when intercept went on cooldown

but had iframes on block

went on cd even if you didnt intercept

the pass

[opal ingot]

all passing styles can't get their passes stolen from intercept anymore

apparently it was a bug that got fixed

ability passes counter intercept

[young bane]

its not a bug

it wasnt ever a bug lol

its how abilities worked

snatch star leap intercept all could intercept ability passes

not anymore

[young bane]

it wasnt a bug though

its like saying snatch taking iframed ball after fetch or blink

is a bug

[balmy dawn]

here we go again 😔

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-into-the-spiderverse-across-the-spiderverse-beyond-the-spiderverse-gif-10957135508516396063

[opal ingot]

quite literally going against them putting that in the bug fixes section but ok

you do you

[balmy dawn]

can we like, not do this again?

[young tinsel]

What kind of fix is that ...

[opal ingot]

I ain't

[young tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/here-we-go-again-gta-gif-20483040

[balmy dawn]

it’s looking like it

[opal ingot]

If he goes against what the devs put out, he can argue the devs down

I'm not entertaining this

[young bane]

its not like it was an unintended behavior

of snatch taking ability passes

[young tinsel]

It did that ?

[opal ingot]

yeah

all defensive moves that stole passes could do that

[young bane]

theres 2 things bug fixes and general fixes

[young tinsel]

Why tho

Isn't lock the only REAL defense style

[balmy dawn]

pretty much

[opal ingot]

wasn't supposed to counter unblockables

[young bane]

giant, star leap, intercept taking ability passes was an intended behavior obv people didnt like that ability passes can be intercept with abilities

[opal ingot]

now no defensive move counters unblockables

[young tinsel]

What the hell was gonna counter unblockables ?

Praying?

[opal ingot]

defending the target ig

You just have to eat gold passing from half court

[young bane]

pretty sure pressure defense still can intercept unblockable passes

[opal ingot]

pressure defense doesn't intercept

[young tinsel]

What is gold in terms of class ?

[opal ingot]

it forces loose balls

[young tinsel]

Is he like a support

[opal ingot]

playmaking/passing

[young bane]

you could counter gold pass

or any pass

with pressure defense

[young tinsel]

His dribble is a PAIN

[young bane]

its basically an intercept

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1386142724968939610/1408508753908858940/32x.mp4?ex=68ae9cbf&is=68ad4b3f&hm=5088eacb1de3e8b7cedc0742c213193ade5ab0cb8c354179607e7566c65c2893&

(before the patch)

pressure defense works differently compared to lock intercept and snatch / star leap

so it might still wrok

work*

[red widget]

Bro, I frames is what makes lock op

[balmy dawn]

that style is strictly made for defense btw

[young bane]

thats why we should add offensive style with unblockable full court shots

[balmy dawn]

don’t start 😭

[young bane]

start what

[balmy dawn]

it was a conversation about lock/luffy, not a hypothetical style

[young bane]

?

[balmy dawn]

anyway, are you trying to say that luffy’s block doesn’t need i-frames?

[young bane]

lol

go learn about relevant examples and irrelevant examples

you need it

[balmy dawn]

not your conversation

can you please mind your business?

[young bane]

you take everything too close to your heart

its just a suggestion channel

i can argue as much as i want

[balmy dawn]

all i did was kindly ask for you to mind your business

[young bane]

what

this is suggestion channel

wdym mind your business 😭

by typing here

you should realize

[balmy dawn]

this is why i said don’t start

[young bane]

that other ppl might criticize your opinion

[balmy dawn]

no, because you always drag the conversation

i asked you to “please mind your business” because you chipped in an irrelevant comment

what did you do? say “you take everything too close to heart”

[young bane]

how is it irrelevant with an relevant example 😭

[balmy dawn]

it’s irrelevant because the conversation is about luffy and lock

not some hypothetical style

but, have a good day man

[young bane]

3/10 ragebait

[balmy dawn]

exactly my point

just have a good day man 👍🏾

[young bane]

relevant comparison = relevant

not irrelevant

relevant

[balmy dawn]

the conversation is over

[young bane]

bro dodges everything

[balmy dawn]

can you please stop?

[young bane]

snowflake x3

please stop

just a suggestion channel i just criticized your opinion

you get offended

whatever

[balmy dawn]

you’re being toxic over discord btw

[young bane]

not the other guy getting personal over discord ❤️

[balmy dawn]

i’m sorry i don’t need to put up a tuff guy act in a suggestion channel

[young bane]

what tuff guy act

[balmy dawn]

called me a snowflake btw

[young bane]

its just a suggestion channel

cuz you act like one you should stop

as i said its your choice to type here

you dont have to type here

if you cant take criticizm towards your opinion

[balmy dawn]

i said have a good day and that’s normally an indication to stop :/

but you kept going?

[young bane]

if you cant take criticizm towards your opinion simply dont ttype in suggestion channel

just leave stop typing then

[young tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-dance-clubbing-club-dance-ai-cat-gif-2408674211460113219

[young bane]

i get it you dodge convo cuz you cant prove anything so just leave instead of saying "you keep going?"

that simple

if you are so smart just leave dont react to my sentences

[balmy dawn]

never denied being toxic btw

[young tinsel]

https://tenor.com/view/yippee-gif-12598976956267201998

[balmy dawn]

what is that 😭

[young bane]

well i might attacked you with one word "snowflake" but i was focused on your points most of the time regardless

[upbeat lotus]

Gum slap ain’t even broken

[young bane]

gum slap is balanced indeed

its rly good ability

its balanced and good as hell

niche but very good

gum slap go slap good very good

[plain field]

gumslap is a fine move

good for poking out jumpshots and pumpfakes

[young bane]

trading abilities as well >

gum slap for a post form

obv win

[red widget]

Lock?

[red widget]

Yes

[balmy dawn]

yes, yes it does

[wispy terrace]

we used to think this until the new update

[silent igloo]

you damn clanker

[red widget]

It doesn't

[red widget]

The same kids who be asking for I frames on everything

[balmy dawn]

the only thing luffy needs is some kind of i-frames on the block

[red widget]

Hell no

[balmy dawn]

i’m not asking for it to be completely invincible

i’m just asking for something

[red widget]

Any I frames will make it unstealable

Like lock

[balmy dawn]

💔

let’s keep 3 moves out of the 4 useless

[silent igloo]

bro you're mad because luffy is a good style like any other miracle

that's like saying nerf emp reach

you damn bot

[balmy dawn]

God forbid luffy lives up to miracle statue 💔

[red widget]

Not loll

I never said Luffy was a bad style

[silent igloo]

I never said you did

[red widget]

Just don't want a op style

[balmy dawn]

out of the miracle types it’s the worst

[silent igloo]

it's not tho

[lucid vapor]

Gang even rares and epic have i-frames 💔

[silent igloo]

"nerf fetch!"

[balmy dawn]

😭

[red widget]

Not really

[balmy dawn]

these words should never be preached

[red widget]

I love fetch gng

[lucid vapor]

What?😭

[balmy dawn]

so chuck doesn’t have I-frames on its dribble?

CLEARLY i’m imagining that

[inner tangle]

🥀

[silent igloo]

that's what yo saying tho

nerf any block

[balmy dawn]

at least cyber was closer 💔

don’t get me wrong, cyber still lost by like 11M, but it wasn’t THIS bad

and for a moment, cyber actually pulled it back

[red widget]

Whatever bro

[silent igloo]

nah nah

[balmy dawn]

you aren’t listening that’s why

we’re not asking for complete invulnerability

we’re just asking for SOMETHING

and if it can’t get i-frames because that’ll CLEARLY make it broken, at least let it slap the ball in a random direction or make it similar to star jump

[red widget]

Gold pressure vs lock intercept or the "ridiculous" pre nerf emp reach

[balmy dawn]

it doesn’t need that many i-frames

i’m just saying it needs something :/

[red widget]

I frames are I frames

Same purpose

[mellow garden]

It's reasonable that u can't copy him lol

[balmy dawn]

because he’s mid 😭

[balmy dawn]

so any and everything with i-frames is broken? heard you

[mellow garden]

It is reasonable tho frfr

[balmy dawn]

because why would we wanna copy mid?

worst miracle 💔

[mellow garden]

My point is, that he can't stretch his arms like luffy frfr

[balmy dawn]

fair

[red widget]

Why you think people say "pump pass broken"

Or "ruins skillful gameplay"

Is your brain not braining?

[balmy dawn]

i never said this 😭

[real ocean]

Rubberman is not allat gum slap is TERRIBLE the shot is TERRIBLE as it has 2 chances to get blocked unlike any other shot gum block is decent but it doesnt have iframes so it can be stolen which makes it trash and observe only lasts 4 seconds

[balmy dawn]

not to mention the visual effect that plays when you activate observe

so it’s telling you “hey, i activated something”

[real ocean]

Yeah makes it even more useless

[balmy dawn]

all i’m saying is luffy needs some kind of i-frames in that block

[real ocean]

yea

also

is it me or did perfection blink get a secret buff

[balmy dawn]

ahh yes, the public goaltender

[real ocean]

it might be the best block ability currently i used him today and its way better

[balmy dawn]

i wouldn’t know because i don’t use or see perfection often

[real ocean]

the ball can be inside the hoop and it still activates

[real ocean]

it used to say “ball is too close to hoop”

Think they removed it

[balmy dawn]

interesting

[real ocean]

Everyone spun him cause of his nerfs and nows he the only limited exclusive style

[balmy dawn]

😔

ik it hurts

i played the game when he was out but just never had the facilities to get him

[real ocean]

yeah i think perfection is the rarest style in the game

also

what do u think is the best zone?

[inner tangle]

Iframes? More like pure skill

https://tenor.com/view/sonic-devil-diabolique-evil-gif-9725651736562738158

[inner tangle]

Imo 777 still

[balmy dawn]

it is

[real ocean]

I mean yea its good

[balmy dawn]

that depends

[real ocean]

but

perfectionist is like 777 but u always have jackpot

[balmy dawn]

overall? 777

[inner tangle]

What other style got the versatility like 777

[real ocean]

nah no one talks about perfectionist cause no one has it

[balmy dawn]

zone*

[inner tangle]

Yea

[real ocean]

ive tested it compared to 777

[inner tangle]

Mb

[real ocean]

it has further shooting range

[balmy dawn]

a close second would be shock

[real ocean]

its faster

and 4th dribble

[balmy dawn]

basically gives the same buffs but 1 less dribble

or perfectionist

[real ocean]

defo perfectionist theres no down side

like 777

[balmy dawn]

so it depends on if you want faster gameplay or more control of your gameplay

[real ocean]

what are the 3 boost 777 gives?

[balmy dawn]

777 offers more control

[real ocean]

Speed shooting range and dribble right

[balmy dawn]

shooting range, speed buff, and both + 2 dribbles

[real ocean]

+2 dribbles if u have jackpot

yeah if u got jackpot then 777 is best without jackpot perfectionist is the best

[balmy dawn]

so i’d say 777 gives slightly more control because if you land jackpot, once you have the ball, people pretty much are forced to adapt to what you wanna do

but on a base level? perfectionist and shock

[real ocean]

but i also think they shadow buffed perfectionist

cause u can deadass shoot from half court with it

Im not even exaggerating

[balmy dawn]

then in pubs, without jackpot, perfectionist might be best

[real ocean]

NAH WHAT i tested 777 rn and its the best

BRO the speed boost is crazy

Plus the 5 dribbles

I thought u could only get if u get jackpot (like the style jackpot getting lucky and winning the lottery thing)

nahh imma main 777 now its crazy op

[balmy dawn]

😭

holy switch up

[real ocean]

also i think the soeed boost gives slight shoooting speed buff

[real ocean]

bro did they buff the zone??

cause when i tested it it was not this op

[balmy dawn]

the pretty much shadow buff it

[real ocean]

yeah

its so crazy

[balmy dawn]

like it’s the thing they love to buff for no reason

[real ocean]

i hope they never nerf it now

why do i feel like theyre gonna nerf it next upd cause i learned how op it is

[balmy dawn]

on a base level, perfectionist is better based on what you told me, but in jackpot, 777 is the best

[real ocean]

plus its a fun zone to use

u can gamble

so u always wanna use your zo e

zone

i sometimes forget i even have a zone

so i don’t use it

[balmy dawn]

i like to wait until it’s at least 40-50%

[real ocean]

yea

but w perfectionist there would be games where i completely forgot i had a zone

[balmy dawn]

i don’t wanna activate zone and get jackpot at like 30%

that’s the only reason i tend to forget about it

[real ocean]

bro i hate symbiote so much

its the most op style rn

with its annoying steal

[balmy dawn]

psychic?

[real ocean]

psychic too

why does chrollo make every style so broken

[balmy dawn]

💔

[real ocean]

Its actually pissing me off

[balmy dawn]

tatlis learned his lesson

[real ocean]

tatlis makes actual fun styles like cyber and spider

[balmy dawn]

cyber has built in drawbacks

[real ocean]

while we got chrollo breaking the w/ every upd

[balmy dawn]

and the dumpster fire that is spider is just there

[real ocean]

spider isnt that unfair

its teammate stealing ability makes it worse

if u fumble then your teammates out of the game for a good bit

[balmy dawn]

oh it suffers form luffy syndrome

no i-frames

[real ocean]

But i also love using the tm8 steal ability

Cause it has long range

I also love the enemy ragdoll ability

[balmy dawn]

it’s wind up makes it too predictable

[real ocean]

Not from far away

[balmy dawn]

touché

[real ocean]

nah but

tatlis’s styles compared to chrollo are so much better

I love chrollo but the styles he makes man theyre so broken and annoying

[balmy dawn]

tatlis made them balanced and fair, that’s why he’s much more…“respected” than chrollo terms of style-making

he listened to the community

which, in their eyes, is a huge win

[real ocean]

tatlis listens to the community

while chrollo makes styles so broken u gotta get them

otherwise your at a disadvantage

[balmy dawn]

exactly why people are frustrated

[quartz robin]

You can dribble and go through it

[inner tangle]

should I spin

[quartz robin]

For what

[inner tangle]

idk a limited zone

[quartz robin]

I would keep 777 unless you want a zone that will boost your dunk range

[inner tangle]

u dont think I can get it bck?

cause the limited zone inventory is different

[quartz robin]

If you wanna gamble then gamble its your choice

[red widget]

You saying the slightest of I frames won't make an impact

[balmy dawn]

God forbid i want a style to be useful

[red widget]

Bet

Ik ways for sniper to be useful

[balmy dawn]

God forbid i want a miracle style to live up to its miracle status

[red widget]

Without animalistic

[red widget]

Hell no

[balmy dawn]

^

[red widget]

Not one of these kids

[balmy dawn]

yo?

[red widget]

You saying rarity should justify a style's effectiveness in the meta

[balmy dawn]

i think you’re the only person here who disagrees with luffy needing some i-frames

[red widget]

I hate those people

[balmy dawn]

3/4 of luffy’s moves are useless

but ok man 👍🏾

[red widget]

Which one is useful?

[balmy dawn]

the shooting move

and even that’s debatable

[red widget]

The shooting move god awful

The auto dribble 10x better

[balmy dawn]

so all 4 of luffy’s moves are useless

[balmy dawn]

yea because clearly people would try and steal when there’s a clear visual effect that says “hey, i activated something”

[red widget]

Wrong

[balmy dawn]

i know you aren’t about to tell me the move with a very noticeable visual effect is useful :/

[red widget]

4 seconds is about the time you get to get your dribbles back

[balmy dawn]

and in those 4 seconds the only thing you can do is dribble 3 more times and either shoot, or pass

which even then, your pass can get blocked 💔

[red widget]

Pump pass/shot pass

They only thing you can do is intercept

[tawdry sail]

Salsa

[balmy dawn]

any player with a brain isn’t falling for more than 2 times

[balmy dawn]

this isn’t true, it’s not hard to block a pass

not easy, but also not hard

[red widget]

You a pub player

[tawdry sail]

True

[red widget]

100%

[balmy dawn]

same person who brought up “pump fake/pass” btw :/

God forbid i can time a pass block

[red widget]

Bc you get iframes

[balmy dawn]

i must’ve spoken voldemort’s name

[balmy dawn]

so normal passes are unblockable?

is that what you’re saying?

[red widget]

Are you mental?

[balmy dawn]

you just said “the only thing you can do is intercept”

[red widget]

I did

[balmy dawn]

so you’re saying normal passes are unblockable unless i use lock?

[red widget]

Interceptable as in being on the guy they're passing to

That's called intercepting

[balmy dawn]

you can also just…block the pass?

it’s not impossible :/

[red widget]

Iframes

It will go through the defender

[balmy dawn]

but i’m the pub player 💔

[red widget]

You are

You would know this if you actually did it

[balmy dawn]

i’m the pub player but you don’t know that normal passes are blockable

[red widget]

Without jp, show me a clip of you blocking a pump pass or shot pass

[red widget]

Regular passes are blockable

For they don't have I frames

[tawdry sail]

Shot passes are almost impossible to block unless you have a speed boost flow

[balmy dawn]

i was gonna say that

[tawdry sail]

Sorey

[red widget]

Not even

It's the I frames

[balmy dawn]

pump passes are easier to block than shot passes

[red widget]

That will make it go through the player

[balmy dawn]

it’s aight

[red widget]

Not really

[tawdry sail]

It depends

[balmy dawn]

why would i waste my time doing something that’s universally known?

universally done, in fact

[red widget]

Dude, you saying it's blockable so show me

[balmy dawn]

you admitted it’s blockable btw

[balmy dawn]

^

[red widget]

I said regular idiot

Use your brain

[balmy dawn]

now you’re being toxic for no reason :/

W

[red widget]

I'm not

[balmy dawn]

“i said regular idiot”

called me an idiot btw

[red widget]

Bc you're acting stupid

[balmy dawn]

calls me stupid but isn’t being toxic

nice

[red widget]

Slower than a autistic kid

[tawdry sail]

...

[balmy dawn]

calls me slower than an autistic kid

but isn’t being toxic

[tawdry sail]

That's actually mean...

[red widget]

I mean, you are rn

[balmy dawn]

nice one chat, nice

[red widget]

It's a fact

[balmy dawn]

you’re being toxic over discord btw

[red widget]

That I can vouch