Buff RubberMan

[rare plinth]

Not really

[orchid thorn]

Unless they afk farmed then the least they would be is decent

Just because you're better than someone doesn't make them trash

[rare plinth]

No but having 26k shots doesn't mean their good they could have air balled over half of the the point of stats are important is a terrible point

[orchid thorn]

And im saying that's highly unlikely if they played legit

Like I said

Just because you play better don't mean they're bad

[rare plinth]

But my argument still stands stats are pointless

[orchid thorn]

Its not pointless

But it's not as important as people think

[rare plinth]

They are there as an ego booster

[orchid thorn]

Not really

I've faced plenty of leaderboard players

I can say with confidence they are not trash

[thick jungle]

This is a “great” suggestion

[rare plinth]

Good for them but my point still stands

[orchid thorn]

With your logic, someone with 100k points who is just as bad as a new person exists out there

I never said it was impossible

I said it's highly unlikely

[rare plinth]

They could be

[orchid thorn]

Crazy statement

😂

Mad disrespect for the people who legit grind for points

[rare plinth]

Plus points especially are redundant those are the easiest stat to get up I had 10k in 3 days they mean nothing

[tough sail]

Bru this game is fried

People

Are starting to think a little goal tend skill

Needs a buff

Ugh bru

[rare plinth]

But it does all other goal tending moves are 10x better

[vestal trout]

lol

yeah its sad

[tough sail]

So just because there's better skills in the same category of the specific skills type it needs a buff?

Should we not be happy rubber isn't that op

[vestal trout]

thats how game becomes worse and worse

they try to make strong things

and then they make another strong things

that are even stronger

every update is just a new braindead style

luffy is also braindead the range on that block is stupid sure you can steal it back but its still goaltending

also i hate how theres more bugs every update

even cutscenes dont work properly its just random wacky animations happening where you dont even see your avatar

[vestal chasm]

Fr everyone saying no, doesnt have rubberman, its so ahh😭🙏

[distant orbit]

buff it??

hell nah

[distant orbit]

i have it

[vestal chasm]

Gear Switch completely useless just put def and offensive abilities in 1, gum block is a worse Intercept/Reach, gum slab just straight up not working and Observe is a trash move in general

[distant orbit]

is good as it is

[vestal chasm]

How is that good yall⁉️⁉️

[distant orbit]

observe is good if you know how to use it

is a free 2 in comp

[vestal chasm]

2 point😭🤣🤣🙏

[rare plinth]

But we shouldn't be happy with how trash it it for being a miracle rarity

[distant orbit]

what rank are you bro

[distant orbit]

even a emp reach buff sounds better

[rare plinth]

Bro you must be on crack because what are you on about

[distant orbit]

yeah 2 points pretty good in 2v2

[distant orbit]

you must not play the game cuz what do you mean buff rubberman

[burnt badger]

L

[vestal chasm]

Legend in 2v2s btw gng✌️

[distant orbit]

idk why you so pressed about me disagreeing

[distant orbit]

exactly, then you should know how useful the auto dribble for 2v2 is.

[rare plinth]

I main him he needs a buff to his def because you can't even call it defense

[distant orbit]

ofc you main him

you just want the style you main to get buffed 😭

talk about greedy

https://tenor.com/view/jerry-meme-tom-and-jerry-meme-jerry-points-get-a-load-of-this-guy-this-guy-gif-11384860625931393733

[rare plinth]

Yea bro I have 3 mains and rubber is the worst

[vestal chasm]

Btw without posterizer or real basketball, guess what its still blockable

[distant orbit]

well posterizer is only a mythic

and im pretty sure everyone uses it on 2v2 (if they don’t have real basketball)

[timid rune]

btw guys keep in mind

[vestal chasm]

Never seen a rubber user in 2v2s except first 1 day I think this says a lot

[distant orbit]

you want every style to be perfect?

[timid rune]

ur comparing rubbermans defensive abilities (an all rounder style) to locks defensive abilities (a defense only style)

[vestal chasm]

Especially in higher ranks

[distant orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/cell-perfect-cell-hyper-realistic-hyper-realistic-cell-hyper-realistic-perfect-cell-gif-1635843172149104674

[rare plinth]

Your snatch isn't worth it because they can just take that ball back slap is literally useless unless they hold their pump which if they do there's no reason not to just steal instead

[distant orbit]

skill issue, u can just spam pass ( they gotta fix passes on rank 2v2 tho )

[timid rune]

while the ability does need a buff, it doent need to be on the same level as styles that are purely defensive

[rare plinth]

Not you can't cause you are locked in animation for 5 seconds and two more seconds after you have the ball

[vestal chasm]

But why I should waste an ability + zone when other styles just got free 2s without the help of zone?

[timid rune]

otherwise you'll just have lock with offense

[distant orbit]

cuz you could use it for a dunk or a 3 pointer

[vestal chasm]

I don’t honestly know why you trying so hard defending this mid ahh style bro✌️🥀

Lock better than ts🥀🥀

[distant orbit]

lock gotta go

[rare plinth]

But that is the whole point of having a defensive mode it is to be defensive

[rare plinth]

Fr

[distant orbit]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1406151935425511435

[timid rune]

keep in mind

it still is defensive

just not strong

[distant orbit]

is this balanced?

🥹

[timid rune]

i agree it could be stronger

[stuck breach]

read more

[timid rune]

but for a style to have 2 different modes, neither of them should be absolutely perfect

like locks defense

[vestal chasm]

Already know that the chrollo style of that would be annoying ash

[rare plinth]

But the defense doesn't work

[timid rune]

ik

thats why i agree it needs a buff

[distant orbit]

made it pretty balanced imo

[timid rune]

but i dont agree that it should be on the same level as lock

it should not have iframes

[distant orbit]

tbh they just gotta fix the block

[timid rune]

it should be more usable tho

[vestal chasm]

Psy and chrollo at release were/are balanced bro☠️⁉️

Are we dead ahh🥀🥀

[distant orbit]

after the block they shouldn’t be able to steal it ( just like emp reach )

[rare plinth]

I never said we should have look 2.0 lock is the most annoying style in the game it just need less animation lock and slap should at least slap the ball towards you or an ally

[uncut sedge]

"Let's make both offense and defense stance both near perfect it's not like it's four skills or anything"

[distant orbit]

psychic is just a comic character they made it broken so ppl would want it

[vestal chasm]

Just tell me guys why does Gear Switch even exist, why they aint putting 2 in 1 like ult pass and reach🥀

[distant orbit]

cuz tbh bro, NOBODY asked for saiki but a tiktok guy

[uncut sedge]

Gear switch

Like luffy

Or whatever

[vestal chasm]

I know but its just a straight up a nerf to his already mid kit

[burnt badger]

nope mid luffy don't need a buff i frames maybe

[distant orbit]

they just gotta buff the block imo

the observe skill is good

[uncut sedge]

Why do y'all want iframes so much just reduce the endlag 💔

[rare plinth]

I also think psychic shouldn't be able to stop you from completing liberation dribble

[distant orbit]

but wydm i can steal the ball just for them to steal it back

[uncut sedge]

Tatlis can do this too

[rare plinth]

No one I frames we want less animation lock

[uncut sedge]

Thats what reducing endlag is

[rare plinth]

If he steals psychic can just stop you from completing it

[timid rune]

fr its like these guys WANT another broken style that completely takes over the game 😭

[distant orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/who-decided-that-escanor-seven-deadly-sins-gif-23520817

[rare plinth]

Lol

[uncut sedge]

He can't stop the steal itself just change direction and no one's reacting to point blank colored strike

[vestal trout]

ppl just want every style to have no disadvantages

so it will carry them

spamming intercept as lock has no disadvantage its just advantage no punishment for you being an idiot

[rare plinth]

Psychic can use confusion and stop you from completing liberation at least tatlis has to get close and steal

[distant orbit]

relax bud

[uncut sedge]

Psychic doesn't take the ball.

[distant orbit]

just a game suggestion

calling someone an idiot over it

[vestal trout]

who did i call an idiot

[rare plinth]

No but confusion stops you from doing liberation do you read

[uncut sedge]

So how is that worse than tatlis steal...

[uncut sedge]

Colored strike quite literally just goes through liberation

[rare plinth]

Tat has to be close but psychic can be anywhere and stop it

[vestal trout]

so did i call you an idiot or

[uncut sedge]

Psychic can't be anywhere and use confusion what?

[rare plinth]

It doesn't stop it tho

[vestal trout]

i said that if someone spams intercept like an idiot they have no punishments for doing that

[distant orbit]

not me bro , just the guy that is riding luffys meat

[uncut sedge]

It goes through your dribble and steals the ball... Are you gaslighting me

[distant orbit]

https://tenor.com/view/miley-cyrus-wrecking-ball-ride-sausage-riding-hotdog-gif-5027942

[stuck breach]

@burnt badger

[rare plinth]

If you read I said that is fine cause you need to be on the person but psychic being able to stop it by not even being near you is dumb especially since it's in the awk and it has 90 sec cooldown

[uncut sedge]

115 sec cooldown.

[uncut sedge]

Psychic has to be near you to use confusion

Both skills require you to be close...

I thought you did research boss

[rare plinth]

Not really I've hit confusion over half court on someone

[vestal trout]

confusion has more utility over colored strikes imo

[uncut sedge]

Need a clip of that boss

[rare plinth]

Not that hard go do it yourself because I have more important things to do than play a style that I hate

[vestal trout]

confusion does have stupid range

[uncut sedge]

Okie dokie

[orchid thorn]

It has decent range

Crazy range would be like lock intercept

[uncut sedge]

He said over half court my brain assumed from hoop to mid court myb ig

[vestal trout]

the range is around that

and it is stupid

[sacred falcon]

What’s wrong the esteemed “researcher” won’t go research something and provide evidence for said claims?

[rare plinth]

Nah I just have a family to take care of lil bro

[sacred falcon]

Ah yes the twelve year old lil broing someone

[orchid thorn]

Fairly decent range, around average for skills used for defense

[burnt badger]

if almost everybody dislikes it trash

[burnt badger]

yep

[stuck breach]

Im willing to hop in a PS and show my point of view to anyone that disagrees all 73 of them, they are complaining about a move that is absolute garbage i.e Gumblock and also i think my change to gum slap is valid have the ball roll towards you or a teammate when you knock the ball out of their hands

[topaz mango]

it’s so much worse

[stuck breach]

But yknow none of them will take me up on that offer cause they like to just complain without proper testing and will be the same people to ask chrollo for a tester and balance team but don't even want to put in the work themselves

[topaz mango]

no it doesn’t

rubberman has ONE thing going for it

[stuck breach]

It does observe is busted

[topaz mango]

and it’s that time shot is very very fast

[topaz mango]

what if they just don’t steal

[sly copper]

yep lets buff OP STYLE BUT NOT BUFF UNCLE SAM

[topaz mango]

rubber is terrible

for a miracle?

it’s horrid

it’s worse than 4 of the 5 mythics

[stuck breach]

Its not just what it does its what position it puts you in imagine i pop 777zone get jackpot use 5 dribbles then observe

You get them all back again

So you get 10 total

[topaz mango]

777 only gives 4 dribbles against

[stuck breach]

It gives 5

[sly copper]

lock can beat uncle sam btw

[topaz mango]

they reverted the change

[topaz mango]

so can star and giant and jackpot

[stuck breach]

I didn't see that change in any patch notes where that at

[topaz mango]

they also didn’t put the copycat nerf in the patch notes

lo and behold, copycat can’t copy limited ults anymore

[stuck breach]

Ok if the 777zone thing is true whatever you still get 8

[topaz mango]

but i agree that rubberman needs a buff

[stuck breach]

Plus speed boost and immaculate shooting range

[topaz mango]

and again, what if you’re playing a patient defender

[topaz mango]

take that out the equation, the zone doesn’t matter in the context of observation

[burnt badger]

rubber man just needs buff for defense moves but if you gonna add iframe to the block it should have less range

[stuck breach]

Patience doesn't matter if you cant score with 8 dribbles you buns

[burnt badger]

rubber man was only good because everybody was using him

[stuck breach]

Ok take the zone out i now have 6

[topaz mango]

it does

8 dribbles or not, if a defender doesn’t steal, what then?

[stuck breach]

You make space for yourself you have 6-8 dribbles

[topaz mango]

what are the dribbles for if a defender doesn’t press the steal button

[burnt badger]

luffy awakening is good tho but they should make it easier for the dribble to use

[stuck breach]

My point is if you cant score with that you are buns

[topaz mango]

unless you have a zone, the defender can catch up

[burnt badger]

imo just buff the defense moves and the awaken dribble

[topaz mango]

you’re slower with the ball than you are without

[stuck breach]

Thats why you use 180 reverse dribbles for mix

[topaz mango]

skill issues

[topaz mango]

we can hop in a ps

[burnt badger]

not really skill issue

with bug and lag zero

[topaz mango]

and i can show you why that doesn’t matter

[burnt badger]

1 mistake with lag is messes up

[stuck breach]

Bet but later today im omw to work

[burnt badger]

tell chrollo to fix the game

[topaz mango]

internet diff

[burnt badger]

i have a 5k pc and my pc is connect to my wifi box it not me

i can run elden ring with no lag

[topaz mango]

but i have crispy internet and my computer is wired

[burnt badger]

??

[topaz mango]

so ion have those issues

[burnt badger]

It the game , because of the bugs

[topaz mango]

we play the same game and i don’t have these issues

[burnt badger]

Chrollo should stop adding sytles every week and work on the bugs

and balacning

[stuck breach]

And also sure it might be a bit harder to score in a 1v1 scenario but the game isn't traditionally played that way you have a team with other factors its just having 6-8 dribbles for your team is extremely helpful

[burnt badger]

saiki been in the game for about 2 weeks andstill don't get a nerf

[topaz mango]

it might be your mbps

[topaz mango]

true

[burnt badger]

it just this game

[stuck breach]

Chrollo said its getting nerf just wait

[burnt badger]

I play other roblox games with no lag

buggy games cause lag

[topaz mango]

but you’re saying if “you can’t score”

[burnt badger]

like I was on this morning and like 20 npcs was on every court

I can't even play 2v2s

[topaz mango]

never assume that, defense in bbz is pretty easy if you’re patient

patience and reaction speed is all you need

[burnt badger]

with all the sytles nah defense should be reworks and more defense sytles should come

[topaz mango]

if i’m locked in, shots don’t go off over me

[topaz mango]

lock 2

that’s what we want?

[stuck breach]

Yeah i get that but thats why there are tricks to dribbling and making space

[burnt badger]

you can't graud a saiki really , swither . gold

[burnt badger]

nope just rework defense and passing

passing tech has been in the game since launch

[topaz mango]

neither need a rework imo

[burnt badger]

funny

[topaz mango]

at least from a ranked perspective

[topaz mango]

what pump/shot passing?

play ranked

[burnt badger]

lets just spam jump passes and it goes pass 3 people body on defense to youe teammate

i had 2800 elo last season

[topaz mango]

i agree it shouldn’t be in casuals

[burnt badger]

in 2v2s just spam jump passes

can't even get the ball

[topaz mango]

block it 😭

[burnt badger]

if your teammate is close 100% it gets to there hand

I played ranked

Last seasonto max rank

[topaz mango]

i mean, you’re saying 2v2 over 3v3

[burnt badger]

jump passes needs a nerf

3v3s is to long

[topaz mango]

i don’t think 2v2 is a good mode regardless

[burnt badger]

Why would i waste like 7 mins if ican do 3 matches in 7 mins

[topaz mango]

i think 1v1 and 2v2 are overall just a worse experience

[stuck breach]

THANK YOU

[burnt badger]

1v1 is trash

[stuck breach]

ITS BUNS

[burnt badger]

just have 777 and win every game

[topaz mango]

and 2v2 isn’t?

[burnt badger]

2v2s suck to

just sit in the paint with unblockable dunks

and spam jump apsses

[topaz mango]

3v3 has always been the best ranked mode

[burnt badger]

that why almost everybody picks 2v2 and 1v1 over 3v3

3v3 takes to long

and 2v2 you can't make 1 mistake

[topaz mango]

no, they pick 2v2 and 1v1 because it’s easier to cheese

it requires less skill

like, i will dookey all over 2v2 champ players constantly

[stuck breach]

^^^^ SPIT🔥

[topaz mango]

and that’s because 2v2 builds bad habits

[burnt badger]

most people would rather cheese there way to win 3 matches in 10 mins then to win 1 match in 10 mins

I just don't play 3s cause how long ittakes

[topaz mango]

no actual bbz league runs 2v2 half court

[burnt badger]

3v3 with a good team is easy

[topaz mango]

the BEST players are ranked 3v3 demons

[topaz mango]

but it’s far less volatile

two teams of similar skill will go either way in 3v3

in 2v2, whoever gets ball first has a huge advantage

[burnt badger]

but 1v1 and 2v2 rework should come

1v1 i just don't even touch that it so dumb to play

[topaz mango]

2v2 reworks would just be losers ball

make it take it in a mode with giant and bbg just isn’t feasible

as well as lazy worker in 2v2

[burnt badger]

lazy worker nerf did nothing

it makes it so people never got for 3s

it mad annoying

im just praying that the new sytles isn't op

[topaz mango]

it’s bbz

[burnt badger]

ik they finna be it spiderman vemon

[topaz mango]

it’s another copycat nerf

[burnt badger]

copycat is so good

[topaz mango]

got they massacred copycat

[topaz mango]

it’s

not

that good rn

[burnt badger]

well it in the mix

[topaz mango]

in pubs copycat might as well be legendary

it’s no doubt the worst mythic rn

[burnt badger]

eh maybe

[topaz mango]

they gutted 100% copy

[burnt badger]

oh

what happen to that

[topaz mango]

we used to be able to copy perfection perfect play, basketball god god’s 3, uncle sam independence, psychic true power, and cyber hyperthought

with the release of rubberman (another uncopyable)

they removed the ability to copy all of those ults

and we can’t copy rubberman ult too

and with all the limiteds and rubbermans

[burnt badger]

luffy prly finna get fixed but I think they finna make it so copycat can't copy limiteds

[thorny prism]

Jesus are people still talking in here? This was made an hour after the update

[topaz mango]

copycat has one move

[burnt badger]

I think luffy needs a buff to

that why im here

[topaz mango]

and 100% copy gets no value very often

[thorny prism]

To his block mabye

[burnt badger]

and this just when off topic

[carmine hazel]

77 people disagree

It's such a fair style

[burnt badger]

luffy block needs a buff

[topaz mango]

77 people with a skill issue

[carmine hazel]

Na

[burnt badger]

luffy is prly the worst miracle in the game

[topaz mango]

we’re losing to rubberman???

[carmine hazel]

Disagree that it needs a buff ???

[topaz mango]

easily

[carmine hazel]

...

[topaz mango]

no it def needs a buff

[carmine hazel]

No

Just get better...

[topaz mango]

what’s op about it

[carmine hazel]

Most of the things

[burnt badger]

endlag on the block for like almost 2 secs😂

[topaz mango]

like?

[carmine hazel]

And they are BALANCED

Woooo

[burnt badger]

what the point in going for the lbock

block

[topaz mango]

it’s not balanced for its RARITY

[stuck breach]

We calling luffy op again???

[burnt badger]

luffy is balanced becuase his block is trash

[carmine hazel]

Balanced style = MID,HOW DARE THEY MAKE SOMETHING NOT GAME BREAKING

[burnt badger]

luffy without block is on par with legenderys

[carmine hazel]

Ew

[topaz mango]

are you telling me Rubberman is as good as Emperor, Gold, and switcher?

[carmine hazel]

https://tenor.com/view/rage-bait-ragebait-angry-gon-bait-gif-5270896389597269350

[topaz mango]

Like fr?

[stuck breach]

Lol no one wants it to break the game but have it represent its rarity

[burnt badger]

and the block is a high risk low reward

[thorny prism]

Look at me and tell me his ability to smack the ball out of your hand that needs to be in steal range and send the ball backwards for them to grab it and can be countered by a dribble, besides that one move he's pretty balanced

[burnt badger]

tell me how good is luffy without the block

[topaz mango]

Vigil is a 60 ovr it’s ok

[burnt badger]

which has almost 2 secs of endlag

[thorny prism]

No risk medium reward there's nothing that can go wrong with trying to save the ball your not really risking anything

[topaz mango]

we know his reaction speed is slow

[burnt badger]

saving the ball for it to get stolen again?

[topaz mango]

he probably thinks cyber is mid too (that style is ridiculous)

[burnt badger]

it no point in switching to defense with luffy

[stuck breach]

The problem pressing the moves that are tied to your others for no value

[thorny prism]

Ye it isnt like if they steal it back the shot is now worth 6 points instead of 3

[burnt badger]

his offense moves are so good just don't switch

[burnt badger]

no

it still 3

[topaz mango]

if we’re being honest

[thorny prism]

I just said that dawg

[burnt badger]

Any luffy main that good at the game barley goes to defense

[topaz mango]

rubberman’s shot is the only good part of his kit

[thorny prism]

I said "it isnt like it becomes a 6 pointer"

[thorny prism]

Auto dribble

[burnt badger]

and the awaken oh you better not mess up the dribble ]

or luffy is just trash

[topaz mango]

and if your defender doesn’t press steal?

[thorny prism]

It's really easy only issue is it can be stolen during

[stuck breach]

If you mess up cooldown needs to be shorter lowkey

[burnt badger]

it easy but you not getting it everytime , 100 sec cd is crazy

like I agree i easy but you are NOT getting it 3/3 every time

[topaz mango]

i hit it every time

i went into a ps and learned the timings

[thorny prism]

You dribble 3 times use auto dribble once auto runs out you get another 2 with that time you are already at shooting range or you can try passing or just use your shot ability anything after that is up to you not chrollos job to make sure you get a shot

[burnt badger]

must be luck cause most people say either lag or it was just dumb to add

[topaz mango]

as soon as the circle is green, you press, and it’s pretty generous

[thorny prism]

I want his steal ability to get buffed or changed to

[topaz mango]

so you can carry the ball down the court

so what?

[thorny prism]

dawg that's the point of a dribble

[topaz mango]

the point of a dribble is to stop steals

sure it correlates

but that’s not the exact job

[thorny prism]

That's what it does you get 3+4×2 dribbles that's alot of time they cant steal

And zones that make you shoot faster or get more dribbles become instantly better

[topaz mango]

you can still dribble once you took the ball down the court though, so again, you carrying it down the court doesn’t make the move op

[thorny prism]

The dribble isnt the problem

[topaz mango]

zones don’t count

we’re talking about observation, not zones

[thorny prism]

Zones are a key important part of the game you not including them is a tactic to sound more correct

[topaz mango]

but we aren’t talking about zones

we’re talking about observation itself

[thorny prism]

Okay sure but even than you can get 9 seconds of time where you cant get stolen it does its job just fine

[topaz sable]

https://tenor.com/view/lesserafim-kim-chaewon-chaewon-lesserafim-chaewon-gif-26446021

[stuck breach]

Even without zones if i use observe after 3 dribbles and walk to the hoop for a dunk what is that person gonna do

[topaz mango]

unless your name is sniper, zones don’t necessarily make the style better

[topaz mango]

block the dunk

[stuck breach]

Read the TLDR

[stuck breach]

Then i wait and get all my dribbles back the just dribble back

What then

[topaz mango]

you do realize that if you have the ball, you move slower than people without the ball

[thorny prism]

Ok well I just moved on from that if you read it gives you 9 seconds of being invulnerable

[topaz mango]

and if they follow you?

[stuck breach]

Fade back with a shot

[topaz mango]

which is pretty nice, not really op

[thorny prism]

It only takes like 5 seconds to get to shooting range unless you start from passing range

[topaz mango]

jump + steal

[topaz sable]

uhh what dat mean

[stuck breach]

You aren't catching trip dribble back into fade

[thorny prism]

was it supposed to be?

[stuck breach]

Ill post again

[topaz mango]

i’m not saying it is

i think observation is a fine move

[topaz mango]

it does it’s job but it’s not really a great move like most miracles have

[thorny prism]

Ok good we agree most things other than its more neich ability to slap the ball out of his hand is balanced

[thorny prism]

ok but like tell me golds dribble is not just stupidly broken

[topaz mango]

which again, is why i say that the shot is the only REAL good part of his kit

[topaz mango]

it’s insane yea

[topaz sable]

rubberman is fine 😭 every style has a disadvantage to it

[topaz mango]

2nd best drive in the game

[topaz mango]

son rubber has no advantages

you play it and half your moves do whatever

[thorny prism]

Basketball god he has 2 dribble to get away and a dunk what is luffy gonna do

[topaz sable]

wut makes u think that

[topaz mango]

aside from the shot, what’s good about rubber man

[topaz sable]

luffy doesnt always have to be the one to do smth abt it 😭 plus bbg isnt that strong its alright at best

[topaz mango]

chill, bbg is very good

especially in 2v2

best style in 2v2 actually

[topaz sable]

its good but not overpowered

[topaz mango]

basketball god 2v2

with real basketball

[topaz sable]

okay in 2v2 its REALLY good with its dunk but other than that its good

[thorny prism]

Well you said every style has a disadvantage and I gave a response saying something that has no disadvantage towards luffy you never stated no overpowered style has an advantage please chill out

[topaz mango]

shamgod creates crazy distance in a 2v2

[topaz sable]

wdym? also im chill dont worry 😭

[topaz mango]

me when i press shamgod and get to the rim and dunk with real basketball equipped

[stuck breach]

Also one thing i want to point out about observe that i know no one knows is that it counters tatlis auto steal @topaz mango

[thorny prism]

If you read it throughly you may understand that I found a style that had no disadvantage to rubber, but you responded with bbg isn't good in general but technically you never said it had to be good in general

[topaz mango]

good match up into tatlis, but that’s still one instance

[thorny prism]

no

[topaz sable]

huh

[topaz mango]

all i’m saying is

[thorny prism]

Say no more u r banned from 2v2

[topaz mango]

the only ACTUAL good move on rubber is the shot

and i mean good in terms of what a miracle has

[stuck breach]

Observe is better than the shot tho

[thorny prism]

Block can be hard to use correctly

Defense is where it struggles hard

[topaz mango]

it’s not, the shot is unreactable on block

[stuck breach]

You ain't just say that

When ordinary shot right there

[topaz mango]

you have to predict they’ll use the shot, same way you have to with psychic shot a-

son

they’re BOTH unreactable

the same way something like quick release is unreactable

[stuck breach]

No you don't its easy to react to plus it has sound indicator

[topaz mango]

it’s a move you have to predict

[stuck breach]

No you don't

You can see the ball go up

Just jump and be close

[topaz mango]

that’s too late

the block window is way before the ball actually leaves his stretched hand

[stuck breach]

Ik

Its when he's throwing the ball up

[topaz mango]

i will count the frames myself

[stuck breach]

Ight lmk

[topaz mango]

cuz i play fighting games

[thorny prism]

Physic its 2

[stuck breach]

Cause ig its just me cause i got fgc brain

[topaz mango]

and i know unreactables when i see it

[topaz mango]

how many frames is unreactable then

[stuck breach]

To me or in general?

[topaz mango]

in general

[stuck breach]

Its like 12-13 for normal people

[topaz mango]

nono

16-20 for normal people

anything 14 frames or below is unreactable

this is just visual

i think it’s 11 and under for audio

[stuck breach]

Dang normies are terrible

They need to lvl up fr

[stuck breach]

Yeah people need to train their reaction speed they suck

[topaz mango]

it’s just about 16 frames

so bordering on unreactable

[stuck breach]

What were the frames of luffy shot?

[topaz mango]

so only literally the most top tier championship gamers can block

[thorny prism]

I believe around 15

[stuck breach]

Skill issue?

[topaz mango]

about 15-16 for the block window

[topaz mango]

are you faker?

[stuck breach]

my reaction speed is quite good

[thorny prism]

Half the people In this server are be honest

[topaz mango]

so if we’re being specific

[thorny prism]

Hauo I'm not pointing you out btw

[topaz mango]

ordinary shot and rubber shot have similar block windows

[stuck breach]

I mean im whiff punishing f5 buttons in fighting games consistently I grinded with top players in GBVSR

[topaz mango]

absolutely not

[topaz mango]

that’s moreso about endlag

not startup

[thorny prism]

Dog of fortune and happiness

[stuck breach]

Let me head to dustloop rq

[topaz mango]

like, is a move is f5, i has start up frames of 4 frames, we’ll say 2 active frames, and if whiffed, 8 ending frames

the move in total is 16 frames

[thorny prism]

Why r you arguing with someone in a suggestions this extensively vro

[topaz mango]

silence

i like talking

anyway

[topaz mango]

yeah, moves like that are punishable

and that’s an extremely case

but technically, ordinary shot is just as reactable as rubber’s shot

[stuck breach]

Yeah thats the total of the move but you have a small window to whiff punish it

[thorny prism]

Bro people are learning how to counter psychic now in ranked its scary the higher ranks aren't for the weak

[topaz mango]

the difference is travel speed

[topaz mango]

you don’t counter psychic

you just guess correctly

that’s outplaying the player not the style

[thorny prism]

That's whay I mean they can block consecutively

[thorny prism]

No jack Sherlock

[stuck breach]

Cause depending on the move it might just beat the button you try to press cause of something like atk lvl

[topaz mango]

yeah, i love out prioritizing people with my better buttons

I LOVE DISJOINTS

[thorny prism]

I can lv up my atk in bbz now? (Joke)

[stuck breach]

NO

SCREW PERCI FAR 5H

[thorny prism]

(ﾉﾟｰﾟ)ﾉ

[topaz mango]

i played mostly smash ultimate

im a cloud back air enjoyer

and i know a lil sumn about unreactables (we have frame 1 moves, frame 3 moves are common too)

[thorny prism]

(￣ー￣)

[stuck breach]

Yeah so was i till i played traditional fgc

Cloud bair is nothing

[topaz mango]

i mean, it’s a frame 11 safe disjoint with no landing lag that does everything

[stuck breach]

I wouldn't say no landing lag

It depends on your spacing

It can get f6 oos

[topaz mango]

7 frames of landing lag

however, it’s -3

[stuck breach]

If spaced incorrectly

[topaz mango]

-3 not all the time, but on average i’d say it’s -5

still a very hard move to punish

[stuck breach]

Let me not talk about that garbo game im past that era

[topaz mango]

and spacing generally isn’t an issue, the move is huge

[topaz mango]

REAL

[stuck breach]

Take me back to S4

[topaz mango]

man i have so many hours but it feels so bad to play

[topaz mango]

i dunno about that

take me to rivals of aether

2

[stuck breach]

Yeah where zetter dair shine looping my shield

Fun

Should've banned bayo in S4 game was fine

[topaz mango]

i play clairen so i’m fine

[stuck breach]

So did i till they gutted her

[topaz mango]

what did they gut i ain’t play in a min

was it nspecial 1?

[thorny prism]

I play the mii fighter

[topaz mango]

or was it throw confirms

[stuck breach]

Got rid of her being able to counter crouch canceling

[topaz mango]

oh yeah that patch

[stuck breach]

With Tippers

[stuck breach]

Better Fox? Lets go

[topaz mango]

chill

[stuck breach]

Wym

Its facts

[topaz mango]

wolf is better fox not brawler

[stuck breach]

Not anymore people forgot

[topaz mango]

brawler is better meta knight

[stuck breach]

Fox blender better anyway

/ vortex

But back to the convo

[topaz mango]

buff rubberman

[stuck breach]

About frames i can punish this type of move consistently

[topaz mango]

well yea

frame 18 whiff is understandable

[stuck breach]

You just taking total that not how that works

[topaz mango]

are you punishing it on whiff?

i get its frame 6

but you can’t whiff punish if it hits you

[stuck breach]

Yeah after start up and active frames

[topaz mango]

even on block

[topaz mango]

is it negative on block?

[stuck breach]

Its +1

[topaz mango]

because you can only whiff punish whiffed moves

so iff it whiffs, it’s 18 frames before they reset to neutral

if you react on frame 15 and press a frame 3 button, yes it’s reactable

this is an extreme case, there’s obviously gonna be human error

he might not hold block after immediately and you might not immediately react on frame 15

but again, yeah, i can see you reacting

[light forge]

how come this guy isnt banned yet from making suggestuon

[topaz mango]

because rubber needs buffs

[light forge]

bait or just genuinely unfilitered stupidity

[stuck breach]

Yeah ig maybe im thinking about frame data wrong but i understand returning to neutral but its not like that whiff punishing is punishing the active frames cause when the move stops being active there ain't nothing to punish anymore

Or like am i wrong

Or ig its situational with how you punish

[topaz mango]

is rubber op?

[topaz mango]

that’s just out-prioritizing then

whiff means miss

so you can only whiff moves that have missed

[topaz mango]

but back to you

what’s SO GOOD about rubber

that you think this average MIRACLE doesn’t need buffs

and if you say that gum block is op, i’m going to say skill issue

[stuck breach]

Ig my brain was thinking about it wrong its a lot better if i could show what i mean we can come back to this

[stuck breach]

Why would i get banned?

[stuck breach]

Tell me your thoughts and lets debate on why its op or not broken at all

[topaz mango]

yea

[stuck breach]

I welcome it and any of the 81 people that X it

[light forge]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

no cuz this is how it will end up

[stuck breach]

No it wont

Here

[stuck breach]

What are your thoughts @light forge

[topaz mango]

so you’re baf

bad

what’s op about it

[light forge]

tossing rubber to "fine" and downplaying the defensive side is genuinely dumb
its a style that has BOTH offensive and defensive and they are nothing to brush aside

-Shouldnt animation lock you for so long
Why wouldnt it? you literally can use it after the ball is in the air and you dont need a positioning that is as strict as giant or other contender
if you use this infront of 3 other people its on you not the style's fault

-Gumslap needs to come out faster
Faster? its already fast enough do you want to make it even more braindead?
It knocks ball out of the enemy possesion and it always knocks it backward from where you used the skill which is intended because you atleast need to position yourself in a good spot

[stuck breach]

Alr cool lets break it down

The problem with you being anim locked for so long is they can run up to you and steal it back which stuns you so not only from press of gumblock you are just sitting there now the steal stunned you and you just wasted your cooldown for block and observe

Then theres slap

Slap also Anim locks in place and knocks the ball away from you they can just pick the ball up right after and shoot again its not to useful in that regard and yeah its too slow people doing fade shots should be really susceptible to slap but they aren't cause its too slow

And even if you did slap the ball they just pick it back up and since you anim locked you don't have time to cover them
@light forge

[uncut moat]

Another peak ragebaiter

[stuck breach]

Another person that will x without arguing their opinion

[modest wedge]

rubberman is good as it is

[uncut moat]

I didn’t X. In fact, I think ima 🔥 it, js bc Luffy is my fav anime character

[stuck breach]

Cool good for you

[modest wedge]

but yeah this buff will be good

[stuck breach]

I also think Slap should lowkey pick up loose balls

[light forge]

.

i was gonna answer your "breakdown"

but your statement about slap

is genuinely braindead

and dumb

i couldnt be bothered

[stuck breach]

Cool👍

[light forge]

no wonder you got 82 x

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

[topaz mango]

let’s look at other moves who steal shots, emp reach and snatch block, those have i-frames, if you snatch passes? intercept and snatch block have i frames

so does star’s sky leap

[light forge]

hop off haou

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

[stuck breach]

Another child that cant debate

[topaz mango]

so why shouldn’t gum block also have i frames

[light forge]

you still gonna argue after he made the statement slap should pick up ball?

yea goodluck

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

[shut pewter]

Because its the easiest to use by far

[stuck breach]

Cap

[topaz mango]

not

[shut pewter]

You just spam the button

No timing at all

[stuck breach]

Giant sat in the paint and goaltended for free

[topaz mango]

^

[stuck breach]

Plus snatch block stops passes

[shut pewter]

Giant still needs timing

[stuck breach]

With INVUL

[shut pewter]

So can rubbers

[topaz mango]

snatch block is by far the best defensive non-steal move in the game

[stuck breach]

No it cant

[topaz mango]

not consistently, it’s too slow

[stuck breach]

Im talking about taking the ball from a pass move

Slap ain't doing that

[topaz mango]

i love stealing every pass ability in the game with snatch block

[stuck breach]

^^^

[topaz mango]

i rarely use snatch block for shots ngl

because i can just normal block shots

[shut pewter]

Ive literally done it

[topaz mango]

we didn’t say it’s impossible

it’s just inconsistent

[stuck breach]

you knocked the ball out of like gold pass before?

[topaz mango]

it’s distance dependent

you can steal long passes

[shut pewter]

No

[stuck breach]

What pass move we talking about

[topaz mango]

snatch block can

and gives you i frames

[fleet coral]

it doesnt need buffs its just annoying when you grab the ball and it gets instantly taken but that balances it out

[shut pewter]

If the gold sucks then sure

[stuck breach]

Just take it back

[topaz mango]

that’s not balance

[shut pewter]

Yes it is

You 2 just want the style to be unbalanced

[topaz mango]

son

[fleet coral]

it balances the move out

[stuck breach]

No i dont lol

[topaz mango]

i don’t even LIKE rubber like that

[shut pewter]

Clearly you do 😭🙏

[topaz mango]

im a copycat main

[shut pewter]

No one asked who you main

[topaz mango]

however, i can see that this style is slightly underpowered

[shut pewter]

Its not tho

Its balanced

[topaz mango]

for a miracle?

[fleet coral]

its hard to use

[shut pewter]

Yes

[fleet coral]

its better than all the other miracles

[stuck breach]

So you should be able to steal the ball back from snatch block

[topaz mango]

it’s not

[topaz mango]

😭😭😭

[fleet coral]

thats its only good move

luffy has 4 good moves

[topaz mango]

yo you gotta be missing your frontal lobe

[fleet coral]

are we okay

[stuck breach]

It does significantly more than gum block

[topaz mango]

no, luffy has ONE good move

[stuck breach]

Where the balance there

[topaz mango]

and one okay move

[fleet coral]

luffy has a half court shot

a block

[shut pewter]

All of his moves are good

[fleet coral]

a free slap

[green sandal]

why is this a suggestion

[fleet coral]

and a free dribble?

[topaz mango]

one decent move

[fleet coral]

what are we doing

[topaz mango]

and one bad move

[topaz mango]

hop in a private server

[stuck breach]

Read the Tldr

[fleet coral]

🥀

[topaz mango]

i promise you rubber isn’t all it’s cracked out to be

[fleet coral]

this style does not need buffs

[stuck breach]

People never want to back up what they say lol

[topaz mango]

it’s best move is it’s shot

[stuck breach]

Hop in a ps

[fleet coral]

bro

play the game for 2 seconds and you'll see its good

its better perfection and defense

[topaz mango]

i HAVE the style

[stuck breach]

WHAT

[fleet coral]

and its offense is great

[topaz mango]

i literally have rubberman

[stuck breach]

YOU'RE TROLLING

[fleet coral]

it doesnt kick the ball away

you have to have never played this game

[stuck breach]

Perfection goaltends

[topaz mango]

yeah, it gets STOLEN

[stuck breach]

Literally

[fleet coral]

THATS THE POINT

If it had I frames it would be over powered

[topaz mango]

and it’s a BAD point

[fleet coral]

we arent serious

[light forge]

yea they are just genuinely braindead

lol

ignore em

[fleet coral]

😭

[stuck breach]

All the other moves like it have iframes

[fleet coral]

help me

[light forge]

just post this gif

[topaz mango]

so every time you use a move you WANT the ball to get stolen?

[light forge]

https://tenor.com/view/talking-wall-gif-5021467

[fleet coral]

so real for that one

[light forge]

or this

[green sandal]

people when u need to use the style smart

[topaz mango]

no intelligence will fix gum block

[green sandal]

not everything needs an iframes, ts would be al 2.0

[stuck breach]

So many of yall have the lights on but no one is home i swear

[topaz mango]

it’s a fundamentally flawed move

[light forge]

this u

[stuck breach]

^^^

[topaz mango]

again, we can experiment this in a private server

[stuck breach]

They wont do it they yappers

[topaz mango]

gum block has ONE actual good used case

and you can steal the buzzer beater shot to deny any wins

[green sandal]

didnt even know thats a thing never was interested on rubberman since its one piece

smh

though i only recall his steal whenever u try to shoot one of the matches

[topaz mango]

if you use gum block, you don’t have i frames, think of it like og lock’s intercept

[stuck breach]

Exactly

[topaz mango]

og lock intercept could be stolen from

[stuck breach]

Just take the ball back

[topaz mango]

it was literally a useless move

[fleet coral]

it blocks shots after its been shot bro we dont want perfection 2.0

it should be instantly stolen

its good for the game

[stuck breach]

ITS NOT BLINK

It doesn't goaltend

[fleet coral]

it would be

its fine as is

[topaz mango]

then what’s the point of blocking the shot if you’re gonna lose possession and they score anyway?

[fleet coral]

dont rely on abilities so much

[topaz mango]

like, i don’t think you understand why this is so dumb

[topaz mango]

then why have them in the first place?

[fleet coral]

you dont understand bro it doesnt need to be changed

[fleet coral]

it helps you when you cant get it

thats the point

and if you cant get it

they probably arent close enough to take it from you

[topaz mango]

and when you DO get it, they score regardless

[fleet coral]

that happens with normal blocking too

[stuck breach]

No it doesn't

[topaz mango]

no it doesn’t

[fleet coral]

it'll roll straight to them

[topaz mango]

getting normal blocked stops you from moving

[stuck breach]

I wish i had a vid of the situation hold on

[topaz mango]

getting gum blocked doesn’t

[topaz mango]

i probably do

i was recording gameplay earlier

[stuck breach]

I saw it somewhere in a suggestion but can't find now

[stuck breach]

It rolling to them depends on which way you blocked

@topaz mango people just don't get it i swear

Then no one wants to get in a ps and prove they point

[topaz mango]

@stuck breach @fleet coral @light forge

this was on a loose ball

let me get footage of me doing it after a shot

then scoring anyway

[light forge]

doenst change anything why would you use it infront of an enemy?

get to a better position and use it

not infront the enemy

are you dumb

[topaz mango]

what about this

is shot a fadeaway

he stole it

[light forge]

bro

all the clips you showed

is the enemy

[topaz mango]

i stole it back, scored cuz he couldnt do anything cuz he was frozen from the steal

[light forge]

using it

infront of other enemy

thats not style fault

thats player's idiotism

[topaz mango]

you realize it has a range limit

[light forge]

"yea imma just use it 1 meter infront of the enemy and hope he has the reflex of a snail"

[topaz mango]

if its too high off the ground

[light forge]

the stun is literally not that long aswell

[topaz mango]

you cant use it

[light forge]

you make it sound like you get stunned for 10 years

[topaz mango]

long enough for me to score freely

and create distance

so, when would you use the block

[stuck breach]

LOL

[topaz mango]

bcause again, if the ball is too high you can use it

cant*

[light forge]

whatever

ur fighting an idiotic person

used infront of the enemy face

[topaz mango]

oh you used a nono word lol

[stuck breach]

You are anim locked for so long it doesn't matter how far you are from someone

[topaz mango]

so when was he supposed to use it?

[light forge]

when you and the enemy is far away??

are you dumb?

[topaz mango]

cuz again, if the ball travels too high or is too close to the hoop

you cant use it

[topaz mango]

give me one scenario

[light forge]

ok? thats a counterplay

get to a position

[stuck breach]

They still will run up and take the ball back

[light forge]

before the ball is unable to be stolen

[topaz mango]

nono, be SPECIFIC

[light forge]

yea if u use it infront of the enemy

[stuck breach]

No at max range too

[light forge]

not sparing an effort for a guy who thinks that using it infront of an enemy is okay

[stuck breach]

You are anim locked for that long

[topaz mango]

im trying to understand you

yet you cant explain one actual scenario

the move is a free steal against any decent defender

because again, if you wait too long you cant use it

you get locked in place during the start up, when you grab the ball, and a little while after too

literally nothing you can do except hope your opponent isnt good or isnt paying attention

[summer beacon]

Rubberman’s gum block is like emperors reach but with inf duration

[stuck breach]

^^^

[topaz mango]

infinite range is crazy

you also cant steal emperors reach

[summer beacon]

Inf duration?

[stuck breach]

Child like behavior

[topaz mango]

not that either

[fleet coral]

🥀

[topaz mango]

what does infinite duration even mean

[summer beacon]

You can spam the move then get close to the player

[topaz mango]

the move doesnt last forever

[stuck breach]

Lol

[shut pewter]

Ive used gum block from like the halfcourt line while they were doing a 3

[topaz mango]

if you get close to the player they steal it right back

[shut pewter]

And they couldnt reach me in time

[topaz mango]

they couldnt or they just didnt

[shut pewter]

Couldnt

[summer beacon]

Do you even remember dribbling exist?

[topaz mango]

once again, im willing to hop in a private server to test theories

[topaz mango]

its too slow

you can steal during the endlag of gum block

[stuck breach]

Personally if i know theres a luffy close/decently away im gonna shoot at immediately run towards them

[summer beacon]

It’s like cyber. During the animation you can dribble

[topaz mango]

and if i'm wrong btw, ill admit to being wrong?

[topaz mango]

cyber doesnt have a ove like gum block

[shut pewter]

Its not

[topaz mango]

move*

[shut pewter]

You cant dribble

[summer beacon]

Test it out yourself

[topaz mango]

we arent talking about observation

we're talking about gum block

[shut pewter]

Yeah

[topaz mango]

again, we can hop in a ps

and experiment

[summer beacon]

U need a friend

[topaz mango]

if i'm wrong, i'll admit to it

[topaz mango]

for trying to spread correct information?

[summer beacon]

To test it out I mean!

[stuck breach]

Up to 89 now lets go for 100

[topaz mango]

i’m asking the people here that believe gun block is very good

to help me out

[summer beacon]

Seriously???😭

[topaz mango]

since they know what they’re talking about

[summer beacon]

I’m in

[topaz mango]

since they’re so knowledgeable, they can help me

[topaz mango]

perfect

what’s your user

[shut pewter]

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-cell-gif-11009529955506497046

[summer beacon]

Glowdude287

[stuck breach]

I wish i was home I'd hop in ps for clips to show them

[summer beacon]

Ow

I fell down my sofa irl

[topaz mango]

added

[summer beacon]

Alr checking

[shut pewter]

Lmk what happens

[topaz mango]

i’ll be in a private server called practice

[shut pewter]

Make sure you test everything to its limit

[topaz mango]

i’ll turn off cooldowns

[summer beacon]

U the lucnacnic guy?

[topaz mango]

mhm

[summer beacon]

Freak I forgot I don’t have ps

[topaz mango]

they’re free

[summer beacon]

Ps+

Coming

[stuck breach]

Yo honestly hop in a general vc and screenshare lowkey

[topaz mango]

bet

[summer beacon]

U do it cuz I’m typing on an iPad

And playing on laptop

[topaz mango]

use rubber?

[summer beacon]

Idh rubber I thought u have it

[topaz mango]

i rolled off it

i can try to get it again

[summer beacon]

I’m poor but max pity😭

Hmm

My normal pity is at 33

[topaz mango]

i rolled off it for sniper

here, we’ll join a pro server

[summer beacon]

Alr

Where tf is the portal

Imma rejoin you rahhhhh

[topaz mango]

it’s full this one

[shut pewter]

Bro managed to get it one time and its a bad move

Just ignoring the multiple times he didnt get it

[shut pewter]

There is no way you could get to me in time

[uncut sedge]

Really depends on how it's used most people don't really know the range

[topaz mango]

this will work

once

once you’re identified as rubber

that won’t happen again

[shut pewter]

Ok well with that i give up

Its way better than your making it out to be

[shut pewter]

Gum slap on the other