LETS TALK ABOUT FREE POINTS MOVES

[whole snow]

THERE ARE TONS OF THE ABILITIES WHICH GIVES YOU FREE POINTS
Creator Dribble
Street Dribble
Cursed dash
Switch used correctly
Reverse dunk
Shamgod used correctly
Athletic Fade used correctly (hard to block)
Green!
Flowstep (almost impossible to block)
Both flash abilities combo
Nagi’s both moves (V is hard C is impossible)
Emperor V second variant (almost impossible)
Emperor Dribble(very hard)
Post form
Charge
and ordinary shot
ETC
SO HERE ARE 2 OPTIONS

1. REMOVE ABILITY RESIST(so it can be countered with snatch block sky leap blink emperor reach hangs up etc)
   OR
2. NERF ALL FREE POINTS ABILITIES (most of which i listed)

[robust veldt]

"hey guys you should completely ignore this problem, i mean look at all these other problems!!"

man people like this pmo

[whole snow]

i said 2 options

1. is don’t touch him

2. then solve all the problems

[mossy granite]

Bro

💀

[whole snow]

so

1. it will be just another free points abiltiy
2. there will be NO free points ability

[mossy granite]

R u blind?

Chrollo was nerfed to the ground

[mossy granite]

Honestly sure

Im a flash and chrollo main

And I can confirm that chrollo is now buns

But still kinda fun but useless 🙁

[whole snow]

like fr if you rly want to solve the problem about free points then don’t just nerf ordinary shot but all of the abilities which gives you free points

FOR EXAMPLE

at least

for creator dribble

make so you can’t not to use the second variant

[mossy granite]

Honestly I love using flash and want more versatile styles

[whole snow]

it would be 1 move

[whole snow]

so somehow you can keep up at least

or remove most of the iframes

so make abilities just a good movement

but not a dribble

and then yes we can add longer wind up for ordinary shot

the thing is

YES ITS SUPER STRONG

but it’s balanced since almost every move in the game is super strong

or make a global cd for shooting and dribbling abilities idk

or maybe increase the cd for it

so you can’t abuse those

or just make more defensive styles/abilities

for example ordinary shot nerf will make it blinkable or just basically remove the ability resist

[potent raven]

Athletic fade is easy to block

[whole snow]

if used correctly

[dark vigil]

If you fix one thing, you must fix them all

[whole snow]

with convo

[potent raven]

Post form is easy to block

You talking about dribble moves

[whole snow]

i’m doing 3 dribbles holding D press A + athletic drive and i score i never get blocked yet with it even in ranked

[potent raven]

We TALKIGN about a move that instantly happens with no warning

[noble flame]

its roken

[robust veldt]

yes

[noble flame]

broken

[whole snow]

a dunk?..

[dark vigil]

I understand what you mean, why nerf this one free move, if there are other free moves that haven’t been taken away, I feel like it’s not a problem if it has free abilities since many other styles have those too, if they all have them, why is it a problem that a new style has if

[noble flame]

postform is easy to counter with jp but if u dnt use jp i see the problem

[whole snow]

they all give you guaranteed points so nothing changes

[dark vigil]

Unless you don’t want free moves as a thing at all

[noble flame]

vika

why are you still trying to argue this

[robust veldt]

Genuinely

[dark vigil]

The only thing that makes physics better is that it’s hard to detect the shot, and it’s quick release

[robust veldt]

So persistent for no reason

[whole snow]

YES FINALLY SMB UNDERSTOOD MEE

[potent raven]

Unless you ace,giant,star or sk

[noble flame]

vika

no one disagreed to that

but

youre using a fallacy

for your reasoning

[potent raven]

Jp too

[noble flame]

which isnt a proper arguement

[whole snow]

yes but again i suggested to remove the ability resist for his shot

and that would be fair

[dark vigil]

Doesn’t cyber have the same free moves in base, the arm shot

[noble flame]

psychic IS broken

[potent raven]

Also sk quite literally counters ace

[noble flame]

just because others are also aswell

doesnt mean

it

isnt

[dark vigil]

What is sk

[potent raven]

His confusion cooldown is way too short

[dark vigil]

Why focus on nerfing this style in particular tho

[whole snow]

yes but ig you get me

[whole snow]

global?

[noble flame]

we're not?

[whole snow]

actually confusion is so ez to counter

[noble flame]

people said this

[dark vigil]

Confusion isn’t even that good, at least to me,

[noble flame]

for every new broken style

switcher

tatlis

chrollo

[potent raven]

Not when you alr doing a shot

[noble flame]

every new broken style

[dark vigil]

Is that why u guys are arguing

[noble flame]

thats also a fallacy

[potent raven]

Like athletic fade

[whole snow]

nobody nerfed them and everyone forgot about them or what??

[dark vigil]

You can’t use it when your mid air

[cedar moon]

As much as I hate pychic with all my heart pchic doesn’t counter ace unless youre a ball hog

[noble flame]

not a valid arguement

[whole snow]

you can still score it auto-aims

[noble flame]

you can say the same for psychic in the future

also there are still

suggestions

about chrollo

[potent raven]

Yeah bro you just don’t play ace

[whole snow]

i don’t have problems with ordinary shot nerf if they nerf all of the moves which gives you free points

[noble flame]

vika

we know

[robust veldt]

mentality of a

[noble flame]

man

[dark vigil]

Btw isn’t chrollo still better than psychic anyway, aren’t there better ingame non limited styles than physics? Does the style genuinely need a nerf?

[noble flame]

😭

[robust veldt]

cant say that or ill get muted for "toxicity"

[noble flame]

arguing with you is going nwhere

[whole snow]

AT LEAST ADD GLOBAL CD TO DRIBBLE/SHOOTING MOVES OR INCREASE THE CD

[west crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1326149032904622104/1404421964243795968/image0.gif

[dark vigil]

^^

[potent raven]

Doing all this because her style is dumb

[noble flame]

https://tenor.com/view/low-tier-god-necro-skull-trooper-colt-general-low-tier-god-skull-trooper-gif-26079010

[whole snow]

i play and i scored when confused with athletic fade so i know what im talking about

[potent raven]

Notice how sk is banned in every comp league 😭

[cedar moon]

It’s always the dudes who use busted styles who say it’s not busted

[dark vigil]

What is sk

[potent raven]

No you don’t

[noble flame]

saiki k psychic

[dark vigil]

Thanks

[noble flame]

yw

[dark vigil]

It’s rlly annoying to keep saying psychic

[whole snow]

YES EXACTLY PEOPLE ARE ONLY FOCUSED ON PSYCHIC

[dark vigil]

Sk is a lot better

[potent raven]

Bro when you use fade it auto moves your cam from the hoop

[robust veldt]

this is like watching a person whine about going to jail for shoplifting and then listing out the names of people who have shoplifted in the past week

[noble flame]

ARE YOU

[whole snow]

NOBODY UNDERSTANDS THIS

[noble flame]

SERIOUS

PLEASE

😭

YOU DONT UNDERSTAND

are you a broken record

[robust veldt]

Nahhh saikik better

[noble flame]

or something

😭

[dark vigil]

Sidekick

[potent raven]

Bro ppl been asking for lazy worker,lock nerf for weeks

What are you talking about

[robust veldt]

I think she might be a bit

[noble flame]

FR MAN

shes a bit of a

[whole snow]

people are mostly focused only on psychic

[noble flame]

DAWG

[sand narwhal]

rightly so

[noble flame]

😭

shes ragebaiting

[whole snow]

MOSTLY

[west crystal]

because u see one every game

[whole snow]

MOSTLYYY

[noble flame]

yeah no

everything you say is just

not that

[sand narwhal]

this might be the most braindead suggestion i've seen

[cedar moon]

how many times were you dropped on your head as a baby

[potent raven]

Because it new SYTLE that is good so everyone gonna use it

[noble flame]

trustable now

😭

[whole snow]

ofc because they are new styles

[robust veldt]

she always makes braindeae suggestions

[west crystal]

u forgot

broken

[robust veldt]

🤔🤔🤔

[noble flame]

vika

[robust veldt]

what if

[west crystal]

after the word new

[noble flame]

think now

[dark vigil]

Who delete d

[potent raven]

Your complaining about dribbles giving free points when that’s the whole point of dribbles

[noble flame]

we gotta use our brains

for a moment

[sand narwhal]

"durr hurr don't nerf psychic all styles can score free points look at fetch's floater!!"

[noble flame]

do u remmeber half of what i said

[robust veldt]

???

[whole snow]

I DONT MEAN THAT PSYCHIC IS BALANCED AND HIS ORDINARY SHOT IS EZ TO BLOCK

[robust veldt]

Who dleeted ts

[whole snow]

I NEVER SAID THAT

[noble flame]

WE KNOW

[dark vigil]

Ordinary shot is so tuff

[noble flame]

WE ARENOT ARGUING TAHT

ARE YOU ACCTUALLY

😭

[dark vigil]

Sk reminded
Me of kunigami

[whole snow]

IM SAYING THAT IF YOU WANT AN ORDINARY SHOT NERF THEN NERF EVERY FREE POINTS ABILITIESSSS

[sand narwhal]

look at POST FORM

[noble flame]

dawg

shima

[dark vigil]

Is it safe to say sk is the kunigami or bbz

[noble flame]

REF

TAKE ME OUT OF THIS GAME

I DONT WANNA PLAY ANYMORE

THE OPPONENT IS TALKING TO THEMSELVES

[potent raven]

No

[whole snow]

YESS

[dark vigil]

When people yell ref in chat after I use my sk ult, bro it makes my day

[whole snow]

WHY WOULD WE NERF ONLY ORDIANRY SHOT??

[potent raven]

Because they actually have counters

[dark vigil]

Is this not crazy

[noble flame]

NO ONE SAID THAT

[dark vigil]

Mods???,

[robust veldt]

youre implying that everything in the game that gets you away from defenders to score a free point is broken, and that nobody should talk about psychic's shot being broken because of that.

do you see how your logic makes you look?

[noble flame]

ARE YOU IGNORING

HALF

of what

WE SAID

[robust veldt]

LOL

[whole snow]

THEN I SAY THAT AT LEAST A NERF MUST BE REMOVE THE ABILITIIES RESIST

[noble flame]

DAWG

VIKA

[sinful tulip]

why we complainin bout this literally everyone could agree that psychic is broken rn

[noble flame]

please mods

have mercy on me

[potent raven]

Cause you can jackpot steal giant ,ace dash to any of them dribble moves, giant snatch block fade, or blink it but you can’t do that with ordinary shot

[west crystal]

big brother is watching you

[dark vigil]

Just add mob, he’ll counter saikik

[whole snow]

no you did not understand me at all

[west crystal]

snax is probably out there spying on you for free mod points

[versed palm]

psychic is literally the best style in the game no way you think it's not broken

[whole snow]

i never said you should not talk about ordianry shot

[dark vigil]

Or actually just add nendoc he will counter sk really well

[cedar moon]

Psychic is mob

[robust veldt]

Psychic wss supposed to be based on Mob and Saiki (it feels like neither of them)

[whole snow]

i said just don’t forget about others

[dark vigil]

No?

[whole snow]

or forget about all

[noble flame]

vika WE SAID WE DIDDNT

WE SAID WE DIDNT

WE SAID WE DIDNT

[robust veldt]

B

[whole snow]

SHIMA JUST SAID IT

[robust veldt]

Ahhh blue

[whole snow]

HE SAID

HE SAUUUD

[noble flame]

NO

[dark vigil]

It’s def saiki, the ult,

[noble flame]

HE SAID

THAT

YOU IMPLIED

[sand narwhal]

the style gives me a headache it's canon

[dark vigil]

The actual ult tho is mob

[versed palm]

and most of the styles you mentioned are counterable depending on what game mode you're in

[noble flame]

YOU KNWO WHAT I MEAN

[whole snow]

HE LITTERALY DIDDD

[robust veldt]

the ult's grab references Mob Psycho, but the base moveset references neither of them

[dark vigil]

OOoooOoO can we please have sharkboy vs lava girl style

[noble flame]

DUDE

THATS LITERALLY

you said

we gotta talk about the others first

before

[dark vigil]

I meant the initial ult animation

[west crystal]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1404130885409964103/1404350041530957854/image0.gif

[whole snow]

NO

[noble flame]

talking about psycchic'

WHICH IS A FALLACT

YES

[cedar moon]

This is better then the actual suggestion here

[noble flame]

"we gotta not forget the other styles'"

WE DIDNT

[robust veldt]

saiki has never destroyed his limiters in the anime

[noble flame]

WE DIDNT

WE DIDNT

[whole snow]

I SAID LETS TALK ABOUT EVERYBODY OR NOBODY

[dark vigil]

He did

[noble flame]

do i have to repeat

3 times

to get it

in your head

[dark vigil]

In the other show

[robust veldt]

?

[dark vigil]

He broke the limiter in his sleep I think

[potent raven]

Cause you can jackpot steal giant ,ace dash to any of them dribble moves, giant snatch block fade, or blink it but you can’t do that with ordinary shot
And nagi is super easy to block

[noble flame]

EXACTLY

[robust veldt]

what

[noble flame]

THTS EXACCRTLY WHAT I SAID

[robust veldt]

What episode

[noble flame]

😭

[dark vigil]

There was. Whole episode of him going to his brother so his brother could fix the limiter

[whole snow]

OKAY WAIT

LEMME SAY

LEMME SAY

[potent raven]

If you saying nagi is hard to block idk 😭

[whole snow]

PLEASE

SOME SILENT

look

[robust veldt]

because someone's baseball hit the limiter and broke it, saiki didn't break it himself

[dark vigil]

There r 2 saiki shows on Netflix, one with less episodes and seasons than the other,
Its in that show

[whole snow]

so there are counters for dribbles

like Instinct dash snatch block etc

[dark vigil]

Oh maybe I forgot, although that does matter

[whole snow]

RIGHT?

[dark vigil]

It doesn’t have to be 1 to 1

[noble flame]

completely different arguement

but ok

[robust veldt]

Which is why psychic feels so

[whole snow]

no wait

right?

[robust veldt]

unlike mob psycho 100 or saiki k

[noble flame]

hey chat

do we just

[robust veldt]

?

[dark vigil]

Tbh I’m not a fan of the animations

[noble flame]

ignore the op now

[whole snow]

so now look

[dark vigil]

They aren’t as high quality as cyber

Or any other limited styles

[whole snow]

my another suggestion was

[robust veldt]

Yes i already blocked her, we all should

[noble flame]

same

ima do it aswell

[dark vigil]

Infact emporer looks more visually pleasing than sk

[whole snow]

remove abilities resistance for his shot

[noble flame]

true ngl

i dont like the sk anims

it looks broken

[whole snow]

so why it’s a problem then if you can counter him with trap blink snatch block sky leap hangs up emperor reach etc?

[robust veldt]

The entire game's anims feel weird

for some reason

[noble flame]

i mean

it felt weird after lazyworker

imo

[dark vigil]

Even when it rarely works I don’t like the animations

Genuinely

[cedar moon]

Most styles after the ace rework felt rushed imo

[whole snow]

he has weird hitboxes which makes it kinda hard to block i don’t say it’s impossible or super hard

[robust veldt]

every time a cutscene is used that teleports people, they all get pulled back to the place they were teleported to after the cutscene ends

[dark vigil]

I’m telling you 1 week is not enough time

[cedar moon]

Hell the ace rework was so obviously rushed

[dark vigil]

I’d rather bi weekly update a

[noble flame]

ace rework sucked at first man

[whole snow]

???

[noble flame]

the snail trails

[brave shadow]

both cyber and saiki have such long awakening and ability animations, are we watching a short movie or playing a bball game?

[outer adder]

Check my post for banaced cyber plss

[whole snow]

but the ball goes super slow and it’s not a problem imo

[paper hollow]

lowk i do feel as thought most free point abilities need to get nerfed

[dark vigil]

I genuinely enjoy cyber animations tho, it gets annoying when there are multiple users in one match

[robust veldt]

It's like every cutscene that teleports people pulls them into the animation for the cutscene and them pulls them back, which is a really bad dev decision to have made

if true

[noble flame]

fr man i hope they add a skip cutscene voting thingy

[cedar moon]

They buffed his good move while also making it ugly, then left his trash move alone😭

[whole snow]

EXACTLYY

[paper hollow]

(psychic shot included though)

[noble flame]

ngl the ace shot move needs a REWORK

[whole snow]

IK

[brave shadow]

its still really long though. i also enjoy it yet it takes up too much time

[noble flame]

since it was the one

that needed the rework

in the first place

[dark vigil]

But then you’d just be stuck in place looking at nothing, or able to move and camp the ball holder

[whole snow]

ITS OKAY IF THEY NERF EVERYBODY AND SAIKI INCLUDED

[robust veldt]

they're not smooth animations like azure latch, even though azure latch makes a LOT less money than bbz does.

[paper hollow]

https://tenor.com/view/jojos-bizarre-adventures-jotaro-no-no-no-gif-15178587

[noble flame]

but but

[west crystal]

azure latch propaganda working

[cedar moon]

I’ve seen sum crazy good ace rework suggestions but Chrollo doesn’t listen to us🥀

[dark vigil]

I understand

[robust veldt]

Speaking of money, have yall ever wondered how bbz has 18 million votes

[noble flame]

its easy to block 😢

[robust veldt]

hoe does a game with 30k ccu get this many votes?

is it just botted

[noble flame]

ace has so much potential man

😭

[west crystal]

does he know

[whole snow]

maybe the only fair free points are gold and flash cause they have almost nothing except of them

[paper hollow]

i like it as is

[robust veldt]

what

[dark vigil]

Tbh I like the idea of going past the boundaries of basketball with insane moves that make no sense, it’s what the game attracts me with , I’m fine with saiki throwing someone into the hoop, genuinely, I just wish the animation was better

[noble flame]

true

[west crystal]

it is about scoring points for ur team

not voting

[noble flame]

still one of the more fun styles

in the game

right now

it just has alot of potency

[cedar moon]

Half the time I only use fade like twice a match cuz it’s so ez to block

[robust veldt]

stupidest decision ever 😭

[west crystal]

chrollo gonna win

[noble flame]

for some reason

[west crystal]

regardless of the limitation of joining teams

[noble flame]

i see people use it as

a pass

aand it works

for some reason

even if i get there first

[dark vigil]

They forced me to pick cyber, even tho I main sk, I’ve gotten the other team so many points in the last few days…

[robust veldt]

Just set up private servers or wait hours on multiple accounts for public servers to empty, and then macro scores

[cedar moon]

Ace users are playmakers they just dont realize it

[noble flame]

instinct dashd

[whole snow]

is so fun

to use

[noble flame]

💔

[whole snow]

especially to block

[noble flame]

instinct dash man

that was a nightmare when it got released

now its just bad

[whole snow]

it’s okay

[dark vigil]

Bald hero vs superhuman (goku vs saitima) styles

[cedar moon]

Dude I literally am so bad at using it but whenever someone uses it on me I get my back blown out

[mossy granite]

Idk why but here https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1405592236728778964

[noble flame]

fr dude

like

you get

stolen

everytime

you have to waste dribbles

[mossy granite]

lol

[noble flame]

off the bat

[cedar moon]

Fr

[noble flame]

but now you have to do it anyways

[charred jungle]

Post form dunk is unblockable.

[noble flame]

because of

cuber

[noble flame]

i forgot someone said that

what the hell

[potent raven]

You can stop it with Jp steal

[mossy granite]

Anyways I made something to kinda be the opposite of most limiteds but um i messed up

[noble flame]

you said block tho

[charred jungle]

thats a steal not a block

[noble flame]

not steal

[cedar moon]

Those clankers have been the menace of my life since the update

[potent raven]

Post form is a two pointer don’t matter

[potent raven]

Don’t matter it counterable

[noble flame]

switcher

[potent raven]

At the end of the day

[noble flame]

also theres a 3point variant without switcher too

but meh

[potent raven]

Switchers sucks

[west crystal]

u said it is easy to block

[charred jungle]

????

[noble flame]

said no one ever

[west crystal]

stealing isnt blocking

[charred jungle]

not rlly

[cedar moon]

I’ve seen people use post form hook in the corner and hit a 3 without switcher

[potent raven]

Yes really

[potent raven]

That’s a tech and it really blockable

Mad slow

It so slow

[potent raven]

In what way is he good

[cedar moon]

Dawg every time I get the ball I get kicked in my mouth by a switcher😭

[charred jungle]

Just say a giant made you eat the pavement💔 🙏

[noble flame]

dash

switch

[outer adder]

Psychic is broken

[cedar moon]

LIKE WHERES THE REF

[noble flame]

awk

like

everything

basically

😭

50% steal aswell

[potent raven]

Get countered by ace and anything with defense

[charred jungle]

Only annoying thing abt switcher is the half court dash and the "50%" chance steal

[noble flame]

wow really

so chrollo is bad

and so is psychic

with your logic

good job

😭

[potent raven]

Yes without his fade away tech his is bad😭

He all
Offense

You must be horrible at this game

To think chrollo is good

[cedar moon]

Is it just me or does ace not feel like aomine

[noble flame]

No

what

you can include any style with a good drive

for your arguement

[potent raven]

His shot can’t be stop with anything with defense

“Ability unblockable” if you try

[noble flame]

what

its blockable

huh

[potent raven]

Not with ability’s

[noble flame]

i literally just blocked it

[potent raven]

😭

Did you not read

[noble flame]

i did it with lock tho

huh

must be glitched

or something

[cedar moon]

It’s literally blockable what are you saying rn

[potent raven]

Did you not read

[noble flame]

hands up works tho

what

am i tripping

[cedar moon]

Also wdym it can’t be stopped by anything with defense

[noble flame]

hands up JUST worked on it

[cedar moon]

Just use defense

[potent raven]

I tried to use blink and snatch block on it and it didnt work

[noble flame]

so anyways

switcher is good

[cedar moon]

Switchers be moving like draymond green bro

They just be kicking dudes in the face with no call

[noble flame]

hes gonna taalk about how switcher is bad in 2v2

watch

[potent raven]

They barely even played and everytime I play one they lose because the style isn’t all that

It just annoying

[noble flame]

oo

[noble flame]

you played with bad switchers

also

[potent raven]

I don’t play 2v2 I play 5v5 or 1v1 😭

[noble flame]

appeal to emotion fallacy

[noble flame]

1v1 is good if they removed zones

icl

[potent raven]

No it bad game mode overall

Don’t matter

[cedar moon]

I feel like someone don’t play bbz but are in the server

[noble flame]

preference

another appeal to emotion fallacy

[potent raven]

What are you talking about

[potent raven]

I know what it means

But all my facts disproves yours

[noble flame]

not really

[potent raven]

Ace dash counters switcher dash

[noble flame]

my facts says

switcher is good

and yours

[potent raven]

And switcher switch is okay I guess really good if used right

[noble flame]

says switcher is bad

switcher isnt bad

because if its

alot of good styles

would also

be considered bad

so it isnt bad

😮

[noble flame]

im not saying its the best

[potent raven]

What styles would be considered bad

I tell you or not and explain

[noble flame]

i mean

can i give 3 examples

giant sniper clutch

giant being the most controversial one

[potent raven]

Clutch

[noble flame]

goes from most controversial to least controversial

[potent raven]

Did you just say clutch 😭

[noble flame]

yes they nerfed clutch

it cannot goaltend anymore

back then it was a solid a tier with goaltending

[potent raven]

Sniper is really really mid and only good with animalistic

[noble flame]

agreed

[potent raven]

Giant charge roll dolls you for 2 second or higher by then you alr shot

His hook you don’t even need to dash all you have to do is block+steal to block it

And clutch is alr bad by itself so many better styles to use other then it

[noble flame]

yuh

i listed 3 differing ones so you get the jist of what i want to put

[sand narwhal]

https://tenor.com/view/get-this-man-a-pregnant-man-pregnant-man-react-mpreg-react-mpreg-gif-14616812654799757312

[potent raven]

Put the actual ones you think will be useless

[noble flame]

i did

what

[sand narwhal]

giant is understandable

it's the worst mythic by a longshot

[noble flame]

yup thats my opinion

too

giant got nerfed badly

after the no abilities when jumping

[potent raven]

You listed clutch which is alr easy to counter+ sniper is only not useful with animalistic and giant is still good because of snatch block

[noble flame]

so no animalistic + giant

[sand narwhal]

i would have argued ace before, but giant's dead now

[noble flame]

i mean ace has a use for long traveled blocks i guess

but i can see where you are coming from

the shot is easily telegraphed

[sand narwhal]

easy to block if you know how to

[noble flame]

yup

[noble flame]

reread it

most controversial to least controversial

i did exactly

what you told me too

list styles i think is bad

if theres something wrong its from your input

[sand narwhal]

lazy worker and jackpot have some bs

trap especially

[noble flame]

trap is a nightmare imo

[sand narwhal]

copycat is s tier and i hope i'm not alone on this

[noble flame]

it is

thats why i hate it

because its good

[potent raven]

Okay you said a lot of good styles

[noble flame]

i didnt

but okay

[sand narwhal]

can copy anything and has two insanely good drives?

yeah, that's fun

[lament gyro]

holy ragebait of a post

[noble flame]

lunar

this guy said

giant

is GOOD

[noble flame]

what

we are not talking about that

are you an idiot

you told me to list styles that were bad

i said

[potent raven]

Then what are you talking about

[noble flame]

sniper

giant

clutch

[sand narwhal]

bbz players admitting styles are good challenge

[potent raven]

No bro are you dumb

[noble flame]

jace

[potent raven]

Smh

[noble flame]

arguing with you is useless

anyways

[potent raven]

Bro I’m not talking about what you think are bad I’m talking about what styles you think would be considered bad with my logic

[sand narwhal]

honestly this just me but if there was a top 5 worst styles

[noble flame]

you didnt specify

[sand narwhal]

i'd slide fetch in there too

[potent raven]

Omg use context clues

[noble flame]

chrollo ace and other styles with a good a drive

[sand narwhal]

most styles with a dash compeltely negate its purpose

[noble flame]

Sorry but there were no context clues given by you

its an input error from you

🙂

[ivory wolf]

Derrrrrr

[potent raven]

I reply to the message of you saying that would be considered bad?

Isn’t that enough context or do you need more

[noble flame]

and?

you always reply

even if there wasnt any context needed

[rugged musk]

[noble flame]

really a input error man

lets just get to the real arguement

[rugged musk]

so whats triping here

[potent raven]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-cell-braincells-meme-gif-1754938690314918126

[noble flame]

it appears you gave up

[potent raven]

Because your argument is horrible

[noble flame]

no not really

2 people agreed with me

none did with yours

[potent raven]

Just tell me the styles that would be considered bad

[noble flame]

but thats majority fallacy

mine was more sound

i just did

are u

blind

[potent raven]

I didn’t see it

[loud finch]

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[noble flame]

keep talking please

[potent raven]

What was the styles?

[rugged musk]

[noble flame]

chrollo ace and any style with a good drive

youre gonna say chrollo is bad

its only bad in 2v2s

with its dash

its almost guaranteed

but because of your logic

because

"ace" counters it

with insticnt dash

its technically bad

in your point of view

which you believe

for some reason

strange

[hollow wharf]

U listed 3 free point abilities

Trap, reverse dunk, postform

[potent raven]

Chrollo is so easily countered

[noble flame]

ok yeah

[whole snow]

trap can give you 3pt btw

[noble flame]

so it is your logic

[hollow wharf]

I know this

[noble flame]

so im not wrong

so is ace

[potent raven]

It only good with it half court fadeaway tech which is good

[noble flame]

so is everything else

with your logic

[hollow wharf]

The rest are counterable or blockable

[whole snow]

alr i named luke SO MUCH STYLES why would you focus on 2-3 of them and saying smth?

[rugged musk]

postform is more off 2 point free then 3 ponts to be onest

[hollow wharf]

Well

Its still free point

[noble flame]

ofc youd think switcher is bad

you think anything like that is bad

😭

[potent raven]

Good aces don’t use the dribble move that much

[whole snow]

nah almost impossible to counter the same as ordinary shot for real
ILL REPEAT
NERF ALL OR DONT NERF ANYBODY

[hollow wharf]

I focused on 3 because none of the others are free points😭 They're all counterable or blockable

[noble flame]

we're talking about the drive

i dont care what the ace does

[hollow wharf]

Chrollos green is easy to block as well as catch me

[noble flame]

by your logic

[hollow wharf]

The rest arent even shot moves

[noble flame]

it gets countered by ace

[rugged musk]

beens some time that i dont use ace

[noble flame]

and flash

[rugged musk]

ima get him again

[potent raven]

Yes drive don’t instant blocked stuff

[whole snow]

only like with blink snatch block and emperor reach that’s why i say then remove the ability resist

[noble flame]

can u like say this again

but coherent

[potent raven]

Flash literally has you cc for 2 secs you can’t dash that 😭

[whole snow]

AHAHAH TRY TO BLOCK HIM WHEN HE CAN CNAGE THE DIRECTION MID AIR
OR HALF COURT SHOT

[potent raven]

You must be really bad at this game

[noble flame]

jace

youre not arguing atp

😭

broken record

[hollow wharf]

Ive blocked the shot several times you cant change the direction mid air

[noble flame]

argue

[whole snow]

YOU CAN

[hollow wharf]

Also half court shot is predictable

[potent raven]

You say ace counters ace for a dumb reason

[hollow wharf]

Ive only seen a chrollo make it if nobody is guarding them

[noble flame]

because

thats

YOUR LOGIC

im not saying its my logic

[whole snow]

ITS THE SAME AS ORDINARY BUT HAS 70% CHANCE AND LONGER RANGE

[potent raven]

Chrollo only good move is creator dribble if you can one keep up with him Becuase of that he useless it

[noble flame]

so thats why

switcher isnt bad

Jace

you just have a ace bias

[robust veldt]

He can't

[noble flame]

dont you

[hollow wharf]

Ordinary shot has the same range and is harder to block

But sure

[whole snow]

HE CAN

[potent raven]

“Ace bias” wrap it up

[noble flame]

LMAO

bro gave up

gg

[potent raven]

😭

[whole snow]

NO HE IS NOT A HALF COURT SHOT

[whole snow]

it’s just a bit more than 3pt line

[loud finch]

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[urban knot]

@whole snow lets talk about the fact that psychic ult is broken asf legit easy 7 or 8 point and the based move are legit way more broken that the one u listed if use well the teleportation can give u free 3 point at the start of the game

[rugged musk]

[hollow wharf]

Dawg if u think any of these besides trap, post form and reverse dunk are free points u might just not know how to counter them

[potent raven]

50% chance to steal and a okay dash = good to you

[noble flame]

okay dash?

[potent raven]

But giant

[noble flame]

dawg

😭

[hollow wharf]

Okay dash when it can send u slightly behind half court if u use it from full court

• 50% guaranteed steal

Very good dash

[potent raven]

The steal never happened on me

[noble flame]

jace

maybe

[potent raven]

Almost all dashes do that

[noble flame]

the game picks bad players

for you

😮

[rugged musk]

[noble flame]

ThATS EXACTLY MY POINT

dawg

😭

[hollow wharf]

Not balanced

[whole snow]

1. it has 4 points
   only if you somehow abuse that he teleports to the center or use a self pass he can score but you can do the same shi with base kit
2. his awk is ON BALL WHICH IS A BIGG DIFFERENCE AND WHICH MAKES HIM WORSE THAN
   Tatlis
   Lock
   Sam
   and maybe even chrollo
   it’s more for 2 v 2 tho

[urban knot]

trap is good but issue about it its either u have good teamate so they know how to give u the ball or ur lucky cuz no one is on u while u wanna do a shoot into the wall to catch it back

[hollow wharf]

Yeah

[potent raven]

We can 1v1 you use switcher I am promising you, you are not making a shot with that dash 😭

[noble flame]

you say all the styles

[noble flame]

wow really

a 1v1 scenario

whou wouldve guessed

its not like

switcher

was made

for a team

dumb

[potent raven]

Fine a 1v2

[noble flame]

dumb

[urban knot]

bro HIS AWK IS LEGIT FREE 8 TO 7 POINT AND U DONT NEED THE BALL FOR 2 MOVE

[potent raven]

We can 1v2 and I will still win it don’t matter 😭

[noble flame]

Lmao

ima guess

[potent raven]

That style sucks

[noble flame]

777

it doesnt

are you actually

[potent raven]

So many better styles to use

[noble flame]

i didnt say it was the best

im saying its good

????

[potent raven]

This gotta be a public server demon

[noble flame]

you said it was bad

[potent raven]

It is

[whole snow]

why people even cry about awk it’s the last important thing base kit is the most important thing about style
AND I REPEAT ITS ON BALL AND STEALS GIVE YOU 4 POINTS ITS LIKE TATLIS BASE KIT BUT HE GETS 3 POINTS INSTEAD

[noble flame]

wow no way the majority of the game??

[potent raven]

Not even top 8

[noble flame]

yeah this guy clueless

probably top 8 exactly

[hollow wharf]

Those who know pre nerf tatlis ult 15 points ☠️☠️

[rugged musk]

if you guys are 2v1 call me

i wanna see

[noble flame]

aight

[rugged musk]

that was a living hell

[whole snow]

he was too crazy

[rugged musk]

i have ptsd from that

[potent raven]

I can definitely name you 8 probably 10 style better then switcher

[noble flame]

go

[urban knot]

even is base kit is broken the 3 shoot point is very hard to block unless ur time it very well and the teleportation can be used at defence and offence which is broken

[whole snow]

5 guaranteed steals in awk when it’s off ball

[noble flame]

switcher > ace

[whole snow]

it was unfair

[noble flame]

switcher > giant

switcher > gold

[rugged musk]

the only thing i liked about a tatilis awk is his music

[noble flame]

switcher > star

[rugged musk]

that music

its fire

[noble flame]

hes gonna say the limited styles

😭

[hollow wharf]

All true

[noble flame]

i know he will

watch

[rugged musk]

obv

[noble flame]

hes just gonna say the ones that are obviously braindead

[balmy fog]

He has the steal cutscene and he still has the other steal too

Wdym

[noble flame]

this guy bro

[balmy fog]

The ult is deffo broken

[potent raven]

Copy cat ace flash jackpot chrollo Tatlis psychic cell star

[balmy fog]

Compared to other ults it’s such a power creep

[noble flame]

flash no

[potent raven]

https://tenor.com/view/duke-duke-dennis-try-not-to-laugh-your-sister-died-gif-8017075345597010456

[noble flame]

ace no

this guy just has an ace bias

[balmy fog]

bro said ace

[noble flame]

worst mythic behind giant bud

[balmy fog]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-9791600234365446047

[potent raven]

😭

[balmy fog]

Dude Gen said ace

Is he trolling or

[rugged musk]

me just vibing here

[whole snow]

he has nothing overpowered except of ordinary shot and i’ll repeat
ordinary shot is not the only free points ability so nerf all of them or stay it the same OR even if you nerf it just remove the ability resistance

[potent raven]

No way yall said switch’s over ace

[noble flame]

switcher > ace

all true

[hollow wharf]

Absolutely

[potent raven]

His counter btw

😭

[balmy fog]

I think ur js bad

😭

[potent raven]

We can one vs one

[balmy fog]

Blud don’t know how to use switcher

[potent raven]

I bet you I win by 70

[balmy fog]

Why would we 1v1 in a team based game

[hollow wharf]

Switcher's dash is just better athletic drive

[urban knot]

the other one are way easier to counter but allrr no my fault if u bad at the game gng

[stoic locust]

its a damn game whys everybody crying about styles

[urban knot]

true

[hollow wharf]

And athletic fade is nothing crazy

[potent raven]

I will beat you in a 2v2 too buddy

Don’t matter

[noble flame]

suggestions tab

[balmy fog]

what style are you gonna use

[potent raven]

You not blocking mine fade

[noble flame]

go back to your cave

[potent raven]

Ace

[noble flame]

EXACTLY BRO

ACE BIAS

😭

[potent raven]

And my friend will run flash just to beat you

[balmy fog]

So ur js bias

[potent raven]

I can play any styles

[rugged musk]

because people want to play the game not just watch and lose because a person has an especific style

[potent raven]

😭

[potent raven]

No my main is cell

[noble flame]

no one said you couldnt

[whole snow]

it’s on ball tho and it gives you 4 points compared to him to tatlis he gives you like 3 points in base and 12 in awk do you see the difference?
or lock does almost the same the difference is he has less points but off ball awk

on ball awk can be a big issue MOSTLY for 2 v 2

[noble flame]

but you like ace more

so you put it higher

that it should be

[potent raven]

No

[noble flame]

yes

you put ACE

over

SWITCHER

😭

[potent raven]

Yes because it sucks 😭

[balmy fog]

how is it 4 points do you not know how to use the awk

[noble flame]

THIS GUY

😭

[potent raven]

Ask anyone who actually plays this game comp

[stoic locust]

the real problem is lazy worker hes too good for a mythic

[noble flame]

dawg

[potent raven]

I’m telling you rn they saying ace over switcher

😭

[balmy fog]

The awk tps you to half court

[whole snow]

show me how you counter dribbles which stuns you or cursed dash which goes 1003021 km away

[balmy fog]

and you get to use the teleport move

That’s a free 3

[noble flame]

isnt switcher banned in comp

dawg

???

[potent raven]

No

😭

[balmy fog]

Then you get to use psychic blitz

[noble flame]

are you talking about comp

or ranked

[balmy fog]

That’s another steal

[potent raven]

Comp

[balmy fog]

and then you have ur awk cutscene steal

[potent raven]

Like leagues

[balmy fog]

That is not 4 points

[noble flame]

theres no leagues in asia

[balmy fog]

💔

[urban knot]

just dont get close to them and be smart :D

[noble flame]

i mean there is

[rugged musk]

lazy worker is mostly broken on 2v2 and 3v3 i guess on main game he is good but not that broken(my opinion from all the lazy workers i have played against)

[noble flame]

its just not official

[potent raven]

There leagues in Asia😭

[whole snow]

i mean COUNTER points idk about points you can make when it’s your turn to attack it’s so easy on pubs im scoring most of the time without any abilities

[noble flame]

woah really

[potent raven]

NBA league has a Asia version

OFFICAL

Btw

👍

[balmy fog]

It’s not 4 still you can use psychic blitz and miss intentionally js to stun them and steal and make a 3

[noble flame]

officially made by them

its not official

[whole snow]

AND THEN IF YOU WILL BE FAR YOU ALSO AINT BLOCK THEM

[noble flame]

but

you do you

[potent raven]

Then no league is offical😭

[whole snow]

it’s a bug which is going to be fixed

[noble flame]

ok good point

[stoic locust]

in normal matches if youre in the front, you can trap the first pass and score a three

[noble flame]

thats probably the only thing im wrong about

[potent raven]

NBA league is the most popular league

[noble flame]

but still

switcher > ace

[balmy fog]

These devs suck at fixing bugs

There’s been bugs since the dawn of time still around

[urban knot]

that why i told u be smart

[rugged musk]

wai wa nah no way

[whole snow]

AND? ITS A BUG ANYWAYS

[stoic locust]

Ive done it a lot

[balmy fog]

And how do you know it’s a bug?

missing psychic blitz is a bug?

you control it

[potent raven]

Are we talking about the same man who ho can block copy cat dash? Like all the dribbles that can go half court 😭

[balmy fog]

I’m not sure how that would be a bug

[rugged musk]

i am not playing against you😭

[noble flame]

yes

he sucks

[whole snow]

you can do this shi only using a giant perfect or maybe emperor THATS WHY I SUGGESTED TO REMOVE THE ABILITY RESIST FOR ORDINARY SHOT
WHATS THE POINT OF A SLOW SHOT WHICH IS JUST THE SAME SHOT BUT BALL GOES LONGER

[stoic locust]

I be spamming trap when i use lazy worker

[whole snow]

it should teleport you basically

[rugged musk]

not gona blame you i do the same with fetch catch

[loud finch]

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[noble flame]

bros gonna talk to his friend

probably

and ask him that exact question

[potent raven]

😭

[noble flame]

watch

[rugged musk]

you can actually bug some passes with it

really good

[potent raven]

How do ace suck explain

[noble flame]

instinct dash

mid

the shot

mid

the drive

good

[balmy fog]

That’s not what Chrollo said in the dev showcase?

[noble flame]

thats about it folks

[balmy fog]

So how is it a bug

[potent raven]

Can go the same amount of distance as creator dribble

And switcher dash

lol

[noble flame]

so

basically

switcher is better

cause it has

more better moves

than ace

thank yyou jace

thank you

[urban knot]

THAT WHY I SAID PLAY SMART use a caracter that can counter those but with psychic u cannot even rly do that

[potent raven]

Free three point if the person actually know what they doing

[whole snow]

OML IDK EVEN IF ITS NOT A BUG WHATS THE POINT AWK IS THE LAST THING YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT THE STYLE EVEN IF HE HAS 5 POINTS

[inland mountain]

ragebait 3/10

[noble flame]

still easily telegraphed

now youre just adding ifs

😭

[whole snow]

AND THATS WHY I SAID REMOVE ABILITY RESIST FOR ORDINARY SHOOOOT

OKAY?

[noble flame]

ok

if the

switcher

and the acee

are equally good

switcher has 2 moves

cursed dash'

and

switch

[robust veldt]

R yall still arguing

[potent raven]

Ace is better