make us be able to steal after a pump fake its very annoying

[pastel mango]

you can, you just gotta wait about a second or 2 after they pump fake lol

they can’t keep the ball forever

[sterile gazelle]

Yea that's the issue

Kinda dumb how all I gotta do to stay safe for an extra 2 seconds is just pump fake and now I can't be touched

[pastel mango]

but then pump faking would be rendered useless if you’re trynna score

[sterile gazelle]

It literally wouldn't

[pastel mango]

bc then nobody would be trynna jump, they’d just steal the ball instantly

[sterile gazelle]

Thats why we pass twin

[pastel mango]

but what if you literally can’t pass

and only 1 dude is guarding you which would be a free 3 pointer

it’d just be a waste lol

[sterile gazelle]

Unless you don't have a team, you can pass bro

[fast pewter]

but why pumpfake if your enemy can just jump + steal

[pastel mango]

but what if your whole team is being marked lol

you would pass only to get the ball intercepted

[sterile gazelle]

I frames on the pump fake itself, but once your arms reset after the fake, you shouldn't still have i frames

[quick iris]

in 1v1s

ranked

?

[sterile gazelle]

Get creative dawg

Cause even in ranked 1v1s, not many people are gonna fall for a pump fake anyways

[quick iris]

am bronze 1 💀

[sterile gazelle]

Oook?

[quick iris]

so people do fall for puimp

fake

[sterile gazelle]

Not many tho

[quick iris]

nope

[sterile gazelle]

At least not in my games

[quick iris]

everyone does

[quick iris]

bronze?

[sterile gazelle]

Silver

[quick iris]

oh

[sterile gazelle]

One above bronze

[quick iris]

how should i counter that then

?

[sterile gazelle]

What do you even mean

[quick iris]

how should i counter pump fake if u jump

[runic flare]

pump fakes are high key correct timing in the flow of the game

[runic flare]

pass

[sterile gazelle]

By not falling for the fake?

[quick iris]

1v1

[runic flare]

unless ur by urself

[sterile gazelle]

Unless u faked

[quick iris]

:/

what if i do fall for it

[sterile gazelle]

In which case dont keep faking?

[sterile gazelle]

Get better and stop falling for it

Like what

[quick iris]

am talking defence

[runic flare]

uh

don't do a pump fake

[quick iris]

😭

[arctic summit]

yes that's the point

[quick iris]

ok th

[sterile gazelle]

Not pressing the jump button as soon as someone gets to the 3 point line is not that hard

[runic flare]

try to cross them up maybe before pump faking

[quick iris]

:/

talking defence

wise

[runic flare]

OHHH

[arctic summit]

you're forced to shoot or pass after pump faking, it limits your options so idk why people are complaining lol

[runic flare]

legit just don't fall for it 😭

[arctic summit]

This is like complaining about dribbles having iframes

[sterile gazelle]

I just hate how we gotta wake so long before we can actually steal

[runic flare]

keep it in ur mind but don't only think abt pump fakes cuz then you'll be waiting for a non existent pump fake

[quick iris]

ye

mew2

me*

[sterile gazelle]

It really makes the entire point of waiting feel invalid, cause wdym I did good by not falling for it but still get punished cause he can immediately pass anyways

[arctic summit]

their options are limited in that time, use it to your advantage

[runic flare]

jackpot players: 💀

[arctic summit]

but you did fall for it

[sterile gazelle]

What

Dude

[arctic summit]

otherwise you wouldn't be waiting

[sterile gazelle]

I just said I didn't

You literally have to

[arctic summit]

if you fall for a pump fake

then you get punished for it

[runic flare]

if u don't then you can wait for them to pass

[sterile gazelle]

I'm talking about the 3 seconds of i frames after a pump fake where you can't steal the ball

[runic flare]

or shoot

[arctic summit]

Yay he deleted the original message

[arctic summit]

2*

[sterile gazelle]

So ur just staring at the dude who missed his pump fake

[runic flare]

he has 2 options tho and then if he chooses not to do anything

steal

[sterile gazelle]

And that's if he doesn't just immediately pass the ball cause u didn't fall for it

[arctic summit]

yeah wait for them to make a mistake

he has 2 options

[sterile gazelle]

Yea and one of those options is a pass

Passing isn't bad

Thats a great option

The issue

Is that i have to wait, 2 seconds, before I'm finally allowed to steal the ball even though I didn't fall for his pump fake

[arctic summit]

the issue is you dont like waiting to punish someone for missing an attack

[sterile gazelle]

Nobody is EVER gonna wait the entire 2 seconds if their fake doesn't work

So they always immediately pass

Now you could argue

Just block the pass

[arctic summit]

this is like complaining about the endlag of a counter being 2 seconds 😭

[sterile gazelle]

Which is where another issue lies

[quick iris]

1v1

[sterile gazelle]

If their teammate is just standing inside of them, even if i block the pass or the shot, the teammate still gets the ball anyways

[quick iris]

?

[sterile gazelle]

Well see ofc 1v1s are different because then they genuinely have no other options

[runic flare]

that's only sometimes

most of the time

[sterile gazelle]

So in 1v1s just don't fall for a fake

[quick iris]

..

[sterile gazelle]

All the time

[runic flare]

someone will be open for a pass

[quick iris]

how

[quick iris]

how

[runic flare]

keep it in ur mind

but don't think about only pump fakes

[sterile gazelle]

Literally every single time I've ever blocked a pass in 2v2s, the teammate is always right there so they get the ball anyways

[sterile gazelle]

Just wait

You literally lose nothing by holding off on jumping

Actually I just realized

[arctic summit]

and if close-passing didn't have iframes would you still complain

[runic flare]

that's when u just gotta Guard the teammate high key

[sterile gazelle]

No actually I wouldn't

[quick iris]

u can lose 2 points or 3 points if they shoot and ur on cooldown of jump

[arctic summit]

👍🏿

[limpid elk]

Maybe the iframes should last like 1 second

[sterile gazelle]

I hate blocking a pass only for their team to get it anyways cause they're just standing inside each other

[limpid elk]

Cuz brooo they feint and just sit there

[sterile gazelle]

Thats the real issue

[quick iris]

what ergion

region

i wanna 2v2

lets team

teach me ur ways

bronze 2 rn

am south asia

[sterile gazelle]

I only play 2's with my duo

[quick iris]

alg

[sterile gazelle]

And I'm not even close to Asia twin

[quick iris]

:/

[sterile gazelle]

The ball needs to have some kinda effect where if you block a close pass or something, their team can't get the ball just cause they're standing inside each other

[quick iris]

how do u get thsi

[sterile gazelle]

Its a cosmetic

A badge of your highest rank from the previous season i think

Or the current one you were on when it resets

[quick iris]

oki