LOCK RE WORK

[quiet swan]

sad I can never play 2s tho in ranked

ill just get too mad

[tame moat]

and bro when i use playmaker its always funny playing against locks because you can literally see if they are spamming intercept or not

when i use nutmeg and they intercept it (ball comes back to me anyway most of the time) i know they are spamming intercept

[quiet swan]

if real basketball and posterizer gets removed from 2s I would 100% play it again

[tame moat]

bro you know its allowed 1v1s its so stupid

[quiet swan]

literally can't even play 2s without kids spamming that and you can't even stop it

[quiet swan]

exactly

that's why 1s is unplayable

I like 3s cause it's open court not half court everything is balanced

[tame moat]

dude some ppl go limitless or 777 and if they get the ball they shoot halfcourt shots and you cant even stop them

when you check the ball with them they are already at halfcourt and just shoot

[quiet swan]

it's real basketball that's the problem

[tame moat]

you cant reach them

[quiet swan]

and 777

[worldly phoenix]

There's a simple solution to lock spam and it's something I've pushed for a long time now. Just make it so any given style can only be used by one person on any given court/team :/

[quiet swan]

mostly real bb

[tame moat]

?

why the hell would anyone want this

[quiet swan]

hold on lemme put this pizza in rq

[worldly phoenix]

Less locks? Less problem 🤷‍♂️ plus it helps with everyone mindlessly abusing every limited/op style of the week

So i don't see the issue

[tame moat]

so you mean to say that EVERY style should only be able to be used by one person on the team or are you talking about lock specifically ?

[worldly phoenix]

Amy given style can only be used by one person on the court/team. Not just lock.

Any*

[tame moat]

yea no one would ever want that

why the hell should that happen just because of lock, nerf lock simple

imagine you wanna play a style and you cant because someone else picked it like what

that would kill the game

[quick pendant]

??

[tame moat]

players have spent hundreds of spins to get styles and millions of dollars and you think they are gonna let it slide if they cant play the styles they used everything on ?

[worldly phoenix]

I'm not just saying this because of lock. I'm saying this because I'm sick of "op style of the week" getting so overused it gets annoying. Do you not want the game to have diversity?

[tame moat]

hell no

[quick pendant]

so what if you ONLY had bbg and someone else on the team has bbg

[quick pendant]

millions of dollars?

bro?

[tame moat]

in game money bro

[quick pendant]

oh in game money

[tame moat]

bruh

you thought

[worldly phoenix]

Realistically that isn't happening.

[quick pendant]

💀

[quick pendant]

but it is realistically happening for many different styles

[tame moat]

bro just use the op styles too

even tho i dont wanna do that either

its still better than what your saying

that would kill the game

[worldly phoenix]

No? They aren't fun in the slightest. I want to earn my win, not get it handed to me on a silver platter. For reference I main phantom but switched to playmaker recently.

[tame moat]

^

[tame moat]

im a playmaker main

i genuinley enjoy it but what your saying would literally kill the game

no one would ever support that

the best they can do is try to balance their op styles

[worldly phoenix]

You already know they aren't gonna do that, this is roblox devs we're talking about :/

[tame moat]

yup

but id still rather deal with op styles then not be able to use a style i want just because its taken

thats stupid

[worldly phoenix]

It's why I don't play this game as much anymore. I simply don't care enough.

[tame moat]

i used to play ranked but its literally unplayable rn i play in normal lobbies time to time

honestly i miss when perfection was the most op thing in the game

[quick pendant]

no you don't bro

[tame moat]

yes i do broski

it was the only style that was truly braindead at the time

everything else was fine

[quick pendant]

so then jackpot release was perfectly fine then

I'm pretty sure that was right before perfection

[tame moat]

?

[quick pendant]

no it was chuck and lock

[quick pendant]

because EVERYTHING was fine at the time

[worldly phoenix]

I said it a while ago, we lost the plot when a regular show character and a self proclaimed chaos god showed up on the court.

[tame moat]

im saying

but at the same time you cant even blame the devs for adding more styles that get more and more op because their game will die if they dont continue to add things

[quick pendant]

but 7 limiteds before another legendary is wild

and it's gonna become 9

[tame moat]

whats funny is they still havnt added other characters from the anime

id love a mirage style or silver style, kiyoshi style

[quick pendant]

pretty sure I saw chrollo say that he doesn't enjoy doing it

dont have a pic tho

[tame moat]

damn

[worldly phoenix]

Yea i might just stop playing honestly. You know how chrollo is. He's not gonna make it anywhere near fair.

[quick pendant]

tatlis should've been the face of bbz

NOT chrollo

[worldly phoenix]

Neither honestly. Tatlis' styles are hilariously overtuned. It's pathetic.

[tame moat]

wait i found it

this is chrollo btw

bro really said if they rebalance nothing is going to change

[quick pendant]

😔

[tame moat]

that literally does change things

[quick pendant]

well I think it's because of the server

[tame moat]

and what does bro mean shift our complaints some where else

[quick pendant]

they balanced perfection and they still say this

[tame moat]

WHO else do we complain do gang

[tame moat]

you see the x right

even players dont agree with that stupid ahh suggestion

[quick pendant]

ik but this is just an example

[worldly phoenix]

Is he wrong though? Either the community complains about something, or they complain about something else. Nothing he does is gonna make everyone happy so why bother :/

[quick pendant]

people are gonna complain and complain

[tame moat]

i feel like this community isnt completley un real like they will call out other suggestions or complaints as stupid

if they are

also chrollo may not like all the complaining but he also never really listens to us either

like if we have good ideas and real issues he really doesnt care

[quick pendant]

fr

[echo raft]

chrollo should just pass down the game to lewi

[tame moat]

bro lewi is such a W

easily best dev on the game

he actually cares about us

[worldly phoenix]

Because a handful of bad eggs are gonna say "this is stupid actually" and they're the ones that chrollo sees the most. And when disappointment's all you see, you kinda fall into it in the end.

[tame moat]

most of the time it is chrollos fault for making some stupid ability or style, if you ask me we have the right to complain but obv when even after they fix things and we still complain i understand why hes tired of it

but he honestly starts most of the complaining

like bro made psychic and said yea thats completely fair

ofc ppl are gonna complain

he started it

i respect tatlis this update he made cyber balanced even if it is still op it has downsides and counters

[minor gull]

yummy lock

[quiet swan]

lock is way worse than tatlis

don't even

no debate

lol

bump

[quiet swan]

Bump

[exotic sandal]

Why you cooking tho

They need to ban you fr

[quiet swan]

Bump

[echo raft]

duh?

this is like saying gold has a better dribble move than chuck

[compact brook]

depends in a 3v3 or more lock is better

2v2 or 1v1 tatlis

[livid girder]

fr

[tame moat]

You can’t use styles in 1v1 and Tatlis doesn’t have the ability to steal any pass like lock. Yes Tatlis can steal the ball but at least it doesn’t make players waste their abilities

It’s hard enough passing normally in ranked then you add a lock on top of that and it’s just straight crashing out

And 3v3 isn’t even a debate

Lock is too stupid in that

I’ve gone against a team of 2 locks and a psychic and it was straight bta

[quiet swan]

Don't matter lock is worse

Bump

[compact brook]

you cant miss intercept

colored strikes you can

[echo raft]

its bait or ignorance

[compact brook]

you can spam intercept with 0 punishment lol

also right timing with any dribble / dash that has stun or confusion state will cancel colored strikes

50/50 but if you predict they waste their colored strikes

intercept you cant really cancel in any way

only way to counter it is close passes which ruins positioning at some moments and also jp steal

[unique gust]

all that it needs is like 0.1 second after they use intercept without iframe

so it can be instantly stolen back if somone is close enough

cus they use it in the most crowded positioning possible

[tame moat]

adding iframes to lock's intercept made it so unbalanced

all they really gotta do is get rid of it

[echo raft]

really just rework intercept

hands up is fine but lock could have a rework

his kit is really boring like pre rework ace

[compact brook]

they replaced cool looking dribble with wacky dribble

and replaced cool 2 pointer cutscene with wacky 100% drive where you are not even dribbling just sliding

that rework did nothing just made ace look outdated lol

only good thing is dash thats it

[echo raft]

yeah thats if you only go straight

me personally i gotta zig zag for the aura

and the ult is way better now

a 3 pointer, 2 pointer and a drive that can get a 2 or 3

[quiet swan]

Bump

[quiet swan]

Bump

[neon star]

Bro you realised this would be a ranked only thing and it would jsut queue with the according people but it would heavily increase ranked queue time

[tame moat]

just do what rivals does and remove styles and zones at the begginning of each match

simple

[neon star]

Again what if you only have one style. It would be more effective to just queue you in but it’ll be longer queue times

Also no double rn is really that broken. Except psychic but that’s not even too bad it just needs a tweak to its ordinary shot

[tame moat]

knowing the players of this game they would not like that

they need to full on remove certain styles from ranked icl

[hexed spindle]

damn the lock hate is insane.

[tame moat]

its justified

[hexed spindle]

not really

[tame moat]

why not

[hexed spindle]

out of all the styles to complain about lock is not one of them

[tame moat]

lock is number 2 for me

[hexed spindle]

literally was a buns style before it got buffed now its fine where it is

[tame moat]

right after psychic

[tame moat]

the problem lies in when there are multiple locks on a team

[hexed spindle]

if anything theyll give it the old global cd treatment

[tame moat]

its literally not playable

[hexed spindle]

idk man i wasnt seeing this hate when emp was around. just glaze all im sayin

[tame moat]

?

wdym

emp reach got nerfed

[hexed spindle]

when emp dropped i hardly saw anyone complain about him and he was worse

well yeah but im talking about on drop

[tame moat]

do you remember how op it was in release ?

[hexed spindle]

i saw zero complaints for like 2 or 3 weeks

[tame moat]

you could literally reach passes

it was broken

[tame moat]

idk man i saw alot

[hexed spindle]

if yss

anyhow lock is fine

[tame moat]

lock is def not fine rn they need to balance it

[hexed spindle]

they did tho they buffed him lol

[tame moat]

i said balance not buff

[hexed spindle]

is a buff not a balance change?

[tame moat]

they need to buff handsup and nerf intercept

[tame moat]

nothing about it is balanced

[hexed spindle]

handsup if fine what?

[tame moat]

handsup is lowk buns

id rather have them buff it then keep lock intercept as it is

[hexed spindle]

i think you just dk how to play lock ngl

[tame moat]

i dont play lock i play against them tho

lock is a lame style to me

[hexed spindle]

alr got it

[tame moat]

i think ive uploaded my clips here i dont remember

[hexed spindle]

its an annoyance to you so it has to get nerfed lol

you dont complain if a lock is on your team i bet

[tame moat]

oh trust me its an annoyance to alot of people and if you realy think intercept doesnt need atleast some kind of nerf your trolling

[tame moat]

i literally trash talk locks on my team and call them lame

[hexed spindle]

intercept just needs global cd

[tame moat]

hold on i have a clip\

[hexed spindle]

youre acting like it needs to be gutted

[tame moat]

nope

just saying it needs to be balanced

[hexed spindle]

you literally are what?

[tame moat]

?

i havnt said anything that implies that

im pushing for balance

[hexed spindle]

idk man this whole thread seems to say otherwise

[tame moat]

oh thats because we all hate how smooth brain it is

[hexed spindle]

like i said global cd and its chill. people can stop crying about it like they did blink

[hexed spindle]

what style do you use?

[tame moat]

i mean we are talking about a style that can steal any pass and has 0 timing or punishment

[hexed spindle]

just wanna make sure youre consistent

[tame moat]

and can be used by multiple ppl without a gc

[tame moat]

im a playmaker main but i also use copycat alot

[hexed spindle]

alr fair enough

[tame moat]

and just so you know lock for no reason can intercept nutmeg

[hexed spindle]

copycapt needs a buff ngl

[tame moat]

its not a pass mind you

so i get really mad

[quick pendant]

no?

[hexed spindle]

copycat is garbonzo

[tame moat]

uh no ?

[quick pendant]

????

[tame moat]

literally a top 5 style rn

[violet lantern]

YES

[hexed spindle]

im talking more or less the copy ability

[quick pendant]

the copy ability is not that bad

wdym

[tame moat]

?

its broken

[hexed spindle]

like the ability is fine. they just need to stop making it to where you cant use specific styles

[violet lantern]

Lock goated

[hexed spindle]

like that alone makes the style buns to me

[tame moat]

but its already like that

oh wait

[hexed spindle]

thats the problem

[tame moat]

but thats so fair

[hexed spindle]

not rlly

[tame moat]

can you imagine copycats copying psychic and cyber

perfection

[hexed spindle]

when most games rn are psychic and cyber

[tame moat]

and it also takes the whole point of of "limited" styles

they are supposed to be special

[hexed spindle]

idk i feel like copy is an exception

[tame moat]

except for for rubber man idk whats with that

[hexed spindle]

yeah that too

copy should universally work

[tame moat]

what your suggesting would make copycat a miracle not a mythical

[tame moat]

this should not be a thing

[hexed spindle]

oh it so should

[tame moat]

bro how ?

[hexed spindle]

its the only reason i dont main copycat anymore

[tame moat]

copycat is so op already

[tame moat]

idk why you dont its still really good

[hexed spindle]

like i get perfection "hurr durr you cant copy perfection" but like all the other styles? not buyin it

[tame moat]

bro we are talking about the most versatile style in this game btw

it can do it all

pass defend and score

[hexed spindle]

it needs to do more

i do not want to be hindered by "cant copy that style"

[tame moat]

first of all speaking from the character point of view copycat should not be able to copy ANY of the limited styles, switcher, rubberman

they are all supernatural styles

literaly super powers

[hexed spindle]

okay but this game isnt based on kuroko anymore its an anime basketball game

[tame moat]

also you forget copy cat can still copy their awk

even that is doing too much

[hexed spindle]

i should not be limited my abilities

[tame moat]

thats why i said based on the character

which is kise

[hexed spindle]

thats why i said its not based on the anime anymore

[tame moat]

i dont think ive ever seen ppl say copy cat needs a buff

[hexed spindle]

cant base it on the character if the game isnt based in the anime

[tame moat]

its literally a top 3 style rn

[hexed spindle]

true. because this is my own personal complain

i would pick up copycat again if i could copy everyone

[tame moat]

they literally made is so you can copy chrollo and tatlis is that not enough for you ?

[hexed spindle]

because most games is just limited spam now

[hexed spindle]

nope

i want em all

[tame moat]

yea sadly that would be way too greedy and copy cat would NOT be a mythical or even miracle at the point

it can still copy their awkaenings btw which is still pretty op

[hexed spindle]

fine by me

you only get one awk so its not really that crazy

[tame moat]

you can copy any awk tho and this IS indeed op

[hexed spindle]

one three point or one 2 point cutscene. maybe a jackpot or a cyber pop

[tame moat]

like bro you can copy tatlis awk and get a free 3 or free steal

as a copycat

thats busted

you can steal psyhcic awk too

[hexed spindle]

eh not really

[tame moat]

idk man you clearly dont want the game to be balanced

[hexed spindle]

its not "busted" if you can only do it once

no i want copy to be done right

[tame moat]

and why the hell would they ever make it more than once ?

[tame moat]

its already done right and its more than fair

[hexed spindle]

his whole gimmick is "studying the oponent and copying the move to a T"

like what is the few people all of a sudden unable to be read like hello?

[tame moat]

how do you study someone who can teleport and then teleport yourself

[hexed spindle]

you just do it

[tame moat]

i think they are atleast tryna be semi realistic

listen idk if im being ragebaited here

[hexed spindle]

this game is not based in reality tho

youre not being ragebaited this is my opinion

i want copy to work on everyone

[tame moat]

i think they are still trying atleast a little to do so

like make it realistic

slightly

[hexed spindle]

not even that crazy of a change tho

[tame moat]

its actually ver crazy idk how you think its not

you telling me a copy cat who can use ordinary shot or teleport is not a crazy change ?

[hexed spindle]

because its no different than the style itself using the ability constantly

[tame moat]

and then the next time use blink ?

[hexed spindle]

whats the difference between that and a psychic already doing this

[hexed spindle]

blink is not even that great

[tame moat]

because copy cat is a copy style and psychic is a literaly superpower style

[hexed spindle]

most people know how to defend against it

[tame moat]

idk if you saw but it got shadow buffed and its pretty stupid again

it can basically goal tend

[hexed spindle]

its still easy to read

i like that they buffed it dont get me wrong

but its not enough to make perfection decent again

my only gripe was the dribble

[tame moat]

wdym read ?

[hexed spindle]

if you know the enemy is a perfection user running at you then shoot and walk backwords its not that hard

[tame moat]

i said it can goal tend btw and what that means is they can literally blink the ball as its about to go in

you know that right ?

[hexed spindle]

im talking about the rebound

[tame moat]

bro that doesnt change the fact that blink can still stop shots easily

[hexed spindle]

yeah sure it can goal tend but thats not even crazy

[tame moat]

i think they buffed it too much

and i dont think blink should have even been the move to buff

[hexed spindle]

because the style is outdated he needed something

[tame moat]

buff the lame ahh dribble

[hexed spindle]

i can agree with this statement

[tame moat]

the dribble is so mid

[hexed spindle]

like it needs to either be directional or further

like going two feet to the left does nothing

[tame moat]

i feel like if you could control it that would be nice

[hexed spindle]

yeah everything else about perfection is fine

[tame moat]

nerf blink a little tho its stupid rn

[hexed spindle]

i personally dont think blink is that bad

[tame moat]

https://medal.tv/games/roblox/clips/kWfwWf3LTnSUSJdcQ?invite=cr-MSxGcUQsMTY1MzYyOTEx&v=28

[hexed spindle]

it stops one shot that can be easily rebounded

[tame moat]

look at this clip

i chucked the ball and he STILL got it

[hexed spindle]

yeah that i getmaybe it needs like a max range decrease

but the goaltending bit is fine because luffy basically does the same thing but slightly worse

[tame moat]

im ngl for copy cat i will say this

i think you should be able to copy other copycats but its not flowstep rather another move thats not super op but decent

because it gets annoying when other ppl play styles that cant be copied your left with just flowstep

[hexed spindle]

and heres the brass tax of my issue

[tame moat]

yea but my solution is better than yours

yours would literally break the game

[hexed spindle]

it literally wouldnt

[tame moat]

how would a style that can copy ANY move in the game not break the game

[hexed spindle]

yk why? cause sure it would be stronger but if everyone is using copycat no one can copy

[tame moat]

that would make it the most versatile AND op style in the game

and thats just busted

[hexed spindle]

its just not that busted

[tame moat]

idk man to me a copycat using ordinary shot and then the next play using blink

or cyber moves

is op

[hexed spindle]

ordinary shot is easy to block though

[tame moat]

most ppl dont block it often

[hexed spindle]

me personally if they dont catch me off guard i can block it no issues

you just have to predict them

[tame moat]

the issue is sometimes you dont always guard them

someone else has to and they dont block it

[hexed spindle]

nope if i see a psychic im cooldown watching and guarding

[tame moat]

welp if your teamates are smart enough to make switches like that then props

mine arnt most of the time they ball chase like apes

[hexed spindle]

thats why i guard them

cant rely on nobody

[tame moat]

mine ball chase leaving the other players wide

[hexed spindle]

heres lets meet in the middle on my wonderful idea

[tame moat]

the psychic just passes it away

[hexed spindle]

he gets to copy everybody but he gets like a 75 second or more cooldown on copy

i think its perfect

[tame moat]

dont forget to give copycat its own rarity

[hexed spindle]

ehhh just stick it in miracles

[tame moat]

because it would still be op

idk man the thought of copy ANY move in the game is just too op

i think its perfect rn

[hexed spindle]

its not when you can only use it 5ish times a game

[tame moat]

atleast it can copy chrollo and tatlis

[hexed spindle]

i can never agree with copycat if it cant copy everybody

[tame moat]

honestly this is their fault for not making it realistic

it makes ppl think it should be able to copy anything

which it shouldnt

[echo raft]

uhhh

[tame moat]

they should have made it so it can only copy knb styles

[echo raft]

sum up the last 50 messages

i dont feel like reading

whats the context

[tame moat]

he thinks copy cat should be able to copy any style

[hexed spindle]

i think copycat should be able to copy everybody

[tame moat]

yes this is a lock suggestion but we move

[echo raft]

i feel like copy should only be able to copy styles that arent like superpowers

[hexed spindle]

nope cant agree

[tame moat]

he said it should be able to copy ANY style btw

[echo raft]

like luffy

saiki

[tame moat]

and saying its fair

[hexed spindle]

any style needs copied

[echo raft]

david maybe?

[echo raft]

i never say kise eat a devil fruit

[hexed spindle]

balance it how you will as long s he can copy everybody

[hexed spindle]

the game isnt based on knb anymore

[calm tinsel]

Kinda fair, because rn unless someone isn’t using a limited or something like that which isn’t likely your copy is useless

[hexed spindle]

sooooooooo

[hexed spindle]

THANK YOU

[echo raft]

the best solution is just for the game to add non limited lobbys

[hexed spindle]

nah

[echo raft]

and in that lobby copy should be able to copy luffy

[hexed spindle]

lobbies are fine just let copy do what copy should be able to do

[echo raft]

limiteds is kinda the best way for the game to earn money

but at a point limiteds are too op

[tame moat]

you need to think of this from non copy cat users perspectives

this would literally be too op

[hexed spindle]

and thats okay ill still pull them

[calm tinsel]

I don’t use copycat, I use star

[hexed spindle]

well i am a non copycat user as of right now

[echo raft]

i think the what 7 limiteds rn is very annoying

[hexed spindle]

havent played him since like emp

[echo raft]

the game has i think

14 non limiteds?

[calm tinsel]

Yeah it’s definitely a problem

[tame moat]

you guys fr ok with a copy cat spamming psychic moves and then switching to perfection then maybe cyber then chrollo then tatlis in a single game ?

is that not busted to you guys ?

[hexed spindle]

but why should a copy have to play against that and not gain any benefits

[calm tinsel]

No no nooo, I just mean they could be lenient with it

[tame moat]

thats why im saying it should be able to copy other copycats

and get a special move

or something

[calm tinsel]

I’m pretty sure there’s more limited than mythic and legendary combined

[hexed spindle]

thats just unrealistic to the way the move was made

[tame moat]

its better then letting copy cat copy anything

and unrealistic is out the window at this point

[hexed spindle]

copy takes one of the two moves not gives you a special move

[hexed spindle]

nothing is better than this

make copycat a copycat

[echo raft]

uhhh how many limiteds are there?

[hexed spindle]

oh hes a copycat (with restrictions)

[tame moat]

like 6 i think

[echo raft]

wait

tatlis chrollo

david saiki

[hexed spindle]

7

[echo raft]

cell

sam

and uhhh

[tame moat]

oh right sam

[echo raft]

theres another

[hexed spindle]

oh so 9? damn

[tame moat]

style is so lame i forgot about it

[echo raft]

whats the other limited

[tame moat]

bbg

[echo raft]

bbg

[tame moat]

basketball god

[echo raft]

so 19 non limiteds

9 limiteds

[hexed spindle]

thats a style that needs buffed only way ill use uncle sam is with real basketball zone

[tame moat]

no way in hell copycat should be able to copy moves from 28 styles

thats busted

[hexed spindle]

in a 5v5 game? i think its fine

[echo raft]

32.14% of styles are limiteds

[hexed spindle]

where everyone uses their favorite limited styles that cant be copied?

[calm tinsel]

If you get the 5v5 at least, most of the time you got 3 AFK dudes

[tame moat]

chrollo and tatlis dont count because you can copy them

[hexed spindle]

yeah no wonder why i never see copycat users anymore

[echo raft]

25%

[hexed spindle]

true

[calm tinsel]

I saw one and he only copied me for the entire game

It was a mirror match but he had better mobility

[hexed spindle]

i havent even seen one in like a week ngl

[echo raft]

i see like 1 copycat every day

[hexed spindle]

because you know why? HES USELESS IF HE CANT COPY SPECIFIC STYLES THAT ARE ALWAYS BEING USED

[tame moat]

copy cat's flow step is also a good ability, you pair that with psychic teleport or use it to get space and use ordinary shot and its free

[hexed spindle]

and whats the difference between that and chrollos dribble huh? its still free

[tame moat]

copy cat with creators dribble is just so free bro

[calm tinsel]

Ordinary shot is already a bad start because it’s so dumb

[hexed spindle]

okayy den

[tame moat]

thats what im saying there are so many op moves in the game and you pair that with flowstep

[calm tinsel]

I just hate limited stuff in general

[tame moat]

lemme put it this way if copy cat could copy psychic it would be better because psychic has 0 dribble moves

[hexed spindle]

im brick walling this i wont change my mind. he should be able to copy all the styles cuz watch. spider and symbiote? nah he cant copy those. the next two lim styles? nope. and the longer the game goes on for the worse it gets

if he cant copy everyone he stands no chance

[tame moat]

i think kenny did the math

25% you cant copy

75% you can and thats totally fair

[calm tinsel]

And the other 75% are used…a bit?

[hexed spindle]

okay but how often do you actually see that 25 percent?

[echo raft]

we do gotta count in that nobody is playing sam or like bbg

[tame moat]

idk about you guys i play with atleast ONE person

[hexed spindle]

i got an answer

[tame moat]

who uses ONE

[hexed spindle]

all the time

[tame moat]

of those other styles

[calm tinsel]

I am that guy

[tame moat]

ive never played a game with copy cat where i couldnt copy atleast ONE person

[hexed spindle]

the numbers do nothing because you dont even have the data on the most used styles in the game right now

[tame moat]

but i do agree they should do something about all these limited styles you cant copy

they need to add something for copycat

maybe make copy an off ball move and add something else on ball

[hexed spindle]

i have a suggestion

[tame moat]

nuh uh

your suggestion is NOT balanced

[hexed spindle]

yuh huh

[tame moat]

this is way better

[hexed spindle]

okay but in a few updates when copycat becomes obsolete dont say i didnt warn you

[tame moat]

if they do what i suggested it wont be obsolete

it might not be able to copy as much tho

but

itll be usable still

[hexed spindle]

the more "uncopyable" styles that get added the worse its gonna get

[tame moat]

sadly thats just how it is in bbz

[hexed spindle]

so remove that limitation then

and then balance that

like its not that hard

you can balance it

[tame moat]

id say just make copy a off ball move

add something else on ball

[hexed spindle]

no

full stop

[tame moat]

nuh uh

[hexed spindle]

its just not gonna be worth playing the copy style is copy is not even usable

takes the whole gimmick away

[tame moat]

its better then not being able to use half your moveset tho

[hexed spindle]

"but muh awk" that you get once in a game

[tame moat]

having an on ball move would atleast give you something

[echo raft]

id say just make one move copyable on all styles

like uhhhh

tbh idk any for saiki

[hexed spindle]

nah every move but tweak the odds on the stronger moves

like boom example

[echo raft]

but like kise could definitely copy bbg

[tame moat]

honestly this is fair

[echo raft]

kise could copy cells perfect dribbling

[tame moat]

he dont do anything crazy

[hexed spindle]

i cant agree

[echo raft]

but people like saiki kise aint got esp or nothing

[tame moat]

sadly he cant copy something thats perfect

as other people say

[hexed spindle]

and thats stupid

[tame moat]

its funny but stupid

[hexed spindle]

he should be able to copy everything

[tame moat]

i think he should be able to copy bbg and perfect dribble for sure

[hexed spindle]

the game isnt even based on knb anymore so its realistic in the idea

[tame moat]

and maybe luffys dribble thing

nothing else tho

[hexed spindle]

👎

[tame moat]

wish it had an offball move

[hexed spindle]

👎

[tame moat]

nuh uh

👍

[echo raft]

did kise eat a devil fruit

[hexed spindle]

well luckily this isnt kise is it?

okayyy den

[echo raft]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1232807297135411210/1400513013009613003/78aPxWT.gif

then who is it

[hexed spindle]

games not based on knb so the styles are not based on the characters their reimaginings

[echo raft]

you said its a knb game

[hexed spindle]

i absolutely did not

ive been said its not based on knb

[tame moat]

it literally is based on knb they just add their own slight twists

like for some reason letting copycat copy inhuman styles

[echo raft]

guys this ace guy shares a lot of similarities with this aomine daiki guy

this emperor dude did the move akashi did

[hexed spindle]

i dont even have the word but its not the same guy. its a something

but its not him

[tame moat]

im ngl

[hexed spindle]

im ngl

i will not change my stance im a brick wall

[tame moat]

theres one way the copy cat copys everything could work

[echo raft]

if he eats a devil fruit😭

[tame moat]

in the anime when kise copies someone really good he has a huge toll to his body, if copycat copies busted moves in the game give him like a bar that when filled stuns him and gives him a debuff for a little bit

[tame moat]

yea i have nothing for this

[hexed spindle]

did kise aquire cursed energy? because then he shouldnt be able to copy jackpot

[hexed spindle]

theres that one suggestion that says something like that i messed with it tbh

[tame moat]

yea but the debuffs are gonna have to really mess with you for this to be balanced

like they cant be the jackpot debuff where your just slowed for 10 seconds

that dont do much

[hexed spindle]

i can get behind this

[tame moat]

im talking your shots are messed up your slower

[hexed spindle]

go on

[tame moat]

cant steal

well

or something

[hexed spindle]

like i said man it could work just gotta find the right balance and im not the only one feeling this either it seems

https://discordapp.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1407086676458864783

[tame moat]

i think this could work fr if they do it right

the debuffs actually have to screw you tho

[echo raft]

or todo

[hexed spindle]

i would say like a timed delay depending on the rarity

[hexed spindle]

bingo

[echo raft]

so like psycho bar

thats actually pretty good

[tame moat]

yes

[hexed spindle]

exactly

[echo raft]

like the lower rarity gives like 10%

[tame moat]

and ig based on the rarity your debuffs are worse

[hexed spindle]

depending on rarity the toll should be larger

[echo raft]

then like limiteds give 60%

[tame moat]

this could work if they do it right

[hexed spindle]

see now were seeing the vision

[tame moat]

ig this gives you the freedom to really pick the styles you want

as in if you dont wanna get screwed pick a non limited style

and if you really need the points copy the op moves

[hexed spindle]

exactly

[tame moat]

sadly this is probably never happening

these devs dont care

[hexed spindle]

nope and it sucks man

i want to main copycat so bad but if he can hardly ever copy than whats the point of him

[tame moat]

i main him anyway and if i have to i just live off of flowstep

as ahh as that can be sometimes

i just pray someone joins with a non limited style

the idea could totally work tho

[echo raft]

copying luffy just tears all of your muscles for 15 minutes😭

[tame moat]

lol

or what they could is based on the move you used so like if it was ordinary shot or any shooting move from a limited style you get a huge shooting debuff

and if its defensive move or something you just cant block or steal

idk

something like that

and if its a mobility move like psychic teleport and the cyber dash your debuff is your super slow or something

[echo raft]

yeah like when you copy a specific group of people you get a debuff

like when you use burst and it shows like

slasher

shooter

etc

[tame moat]

yea

idk how they would do this but if they can it would be nice

[echo raft]

after using a slashers move, gives a debuff in 2

after using a shooters move you get a debuff for shooting

[tame moat]

its either they make the debuffs after everytime you use a move or do the bar and get a huge debuff once its full

like all your stats are debuffed alot and for a pretty decent amount of time

sigh its crazy how devs dont have the brains to think of what their players can

[runic ibex]

copycat doesn't need a buff at all

like literally

copying any style with a drive ability (most of them) can get you literally down half court

copycat's drives + flash's everything is a nightmare

same with giant's charge, gold and emp's dribbles, quick's boost, phantom's dash, star's run

these abilities are inherently balanced because it's the only high speed movement option these styles

combine them with two extra drives and it's a horror show

two extra drives which push defenders out of the way mind you

and travel insane distance

and are fast as hell

if you're bad with copycat and need it to be buffed, that's LITERALLY a skill issue

i'd go as far as to say it's top 3 styles easily, next to psychic

chrollo's third place imo

damn i didn't even THINK about switcher

copycat + switcher's dash??

you can't stop it

you literally cannot

[light cove]

If you think copycat needs a buff thats a completely understandable thing to say.
Copycat is a style that can copy any 2-Moved style
In this meta where only 3-Moved characters are being added it makes it near impossible to copy anybody whenever you play ranked unless you get your teammate(s) to play a 2-moved style but why would you EVER do that whenever the new limited's are so much better?
And lets say you do copy a style? congrats! now you'll be able to use ONE of the moves that a character has a full kit based around!
And what if you copy a 2-point move instead of a drive or a 3-point move? Well now you're reliant on your team getting that ball back to you and you FORCING A 2 instead of going for a 3 so you can get rid of your useless move and actually be something for your team!
"Well just copy the good styles!" you're right! my bad let me copy the one player in our ranked match that doesnt have!
(A.) 3-Moved Kit (which is almost everybody in ranked)
(B.) 2-Point Move (which is most styles)
(C.) Moves you can use without having the ball for constant move-rotation
CONGRATS! You've just named Switcher and Lock!!! So why would you ever play copycat who has no compatibility with most every style whenever you can play ANYBODY ELSE and actually be something for your team?
Not to mention copycats drive has endlag on it allowing you to steal from it. If you say copycat is OP I hate to tell you but thats LITERALLY a skill issue!

[worldly phoenix]

Holy yap 😭

[light cove]

No more than the other guy

[worldly phoenix]

And flowstep's endlag can be countered by just

Dribbling?

And it goes insanely far

[light cove]

I forgot to mention chrollo and tatlis are insane styles to copy too but most people have those and they're better in their base than whenever they're being copied

[worldly phoenix]

Chrollo is by far the strongest style to copy. You can have two movement abilities which is two free shots if you're anywhere near competent. That's assuming you only copy creator's dribble ONCE, not to mention flowstep is a base ability that has what, a minute's cooldown? That's a near free shot every minute. Putting that with the 7 minute timer, that can become 21 points assuming the copycat uses flowstep and takes a good shot with it.

Which i agree is almost never happening, but the point stands

[light cove]

If you're playing chrollo you dont need two movement abilities whenever you can get to the half-court line with one and thats really all you need

[runic ibex]

what if your teammate's playing chrollo?

we still haven't talked about that

[worldly phoenix]

Do you not understand what I mean, though? Creator's dribble+Flowstep=impossible 3. You're just too far to consider going to block. And once again, Creator's dribble isn't necessary to do this.

[runic ibex]

get a friend to play chrollo, copy them, literally double your points.

doesn't matter what the other team's playing.

[light cove]

thats a good question I was just thinking about that would definitely make copycat better but I still think that in that scenario you'd probably just want two chrollos rather than a copycat and a chrollo

[runic ibex]

i'd rather have a copycat 100%

[light cove]

People typically adapt once you reach higher ranks too they'll find out what you're doing and will just leave a guy on the three-point line to take care of you

and like I said before everybodys playing rubber man, psychic or cyber too and all of those styles have a really easy and reliable method of stopping your shots

[worldly phoenix]

That's the thing that makes it so strong. It's able to use everything in the game as long as it's on the court. Being that unpredictable, on top of its dribble being so strong, makes it a top tier style even without all the broken stuff in the game.

[light cove]

its not everything its most things. I was just saying how the meta copycats playing in means it really won't be able to copy everything instead only being able to copy a few things

[runic ibex]

this same thing can be achieved by copying star or flash, mind you

even playmaker

nutmeg past a defender, pop flowstep

[light cove]

nobody plays star or flash and if you have your teammate play star or flash then you're throwing and you need to get them on psychic or cyber

[light cove]

great now what if I get alley-oop? how often do you think im realistically going to use that move in ranked?

I actually lose a move-slot for the rest of the match

[worldly phoenix]

As long as a style is used, a copycat can copy it. That means copycat can be a defender, attacker, and supporter, constantly. That's inherently strong.

[light cove]

have you ever played copycat?

copycats can not as in its impossible for them to copy psychic, cyber, perfect, basketball god, rubber-man and the new spiderman and venom styles coming out

[runic ibex]

the main issue with the playstyle is combining flowstep with other abilities

that's where the game becomes practically unfair if anyone on the court is using a half-decent style

[light cove]

without flow-step what would copycat have? the combination of a very good drive (can still be stopped) with any move in the game is what makes copycat useful in the first place

[runic ibex]

at the end of the move, after you've traveled the full distance

[light cove]

im saying theoretically IF they got rid of flow-step what would you give copycat?

and you mean to tell me whatever replacement you give them it'll still be viable?

[runic ibex]

just ... nerf the distance flowstep can travel.

that's it.

not replacing it, just tweaking it.

if you want how i'd rework it?

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1393510339252846682

this post sums it up.

[worldly phoenix]

Yes, I have. I used to main it. And constantly I would get moves that are useful. And mind you copycat doesn't need those op styles it can't copy to function. If there's a phantom? Now you have access to phantom drive AND bullet pass. A gold? Street dribble and needle pass. Enemy lock? Intercept and hands up, all fair game.

[worldly phoenix]

With a good team? All the time. Right now i use playmaker, and constantly alley oop is a viable option for a bucket.

[light cove]

okay great so you clearly havent played COPYCAT in RANKED recently because if you did you would understand everything you just said is completely invalid because who the hecks playing phantom gold or lock in ranked with cyber, psychic and rubberman ruling the meta?

[runic ibex]

fetch is surprisingly incredible for copycat

[light cove]

I agree but nobody really plays it

[runic ibex]

block a shot, dive, then flowstep

[worldly phoenix]

Any player with a working frontal lobe? I see a lot of those styles in ranked if we're taking into account actually good players. And lock is way more common in ranked than you think.

[runic ibex]

it's everywhere

i've seen a lock in every 3v3 ranked match i've played

not including myself

[light cove]

What im saying is we get 1 SLOT to copy a move from a style thats not played by 80% of the active playerbase. and then a drive move to create good chemistry amongst the random move you just copied and your base kit.

[worldly phoenix]

I see lock constantly. I see them intercept my nutmeg for whatever ludicrous reason and it tweaks me out.

[light cove]

Nobody playing basketball zero has a working frontal lobe lets be honest you're the first BBZ player ive had a conversation with who can use words with more than 4 syllables

[runic ibex]

shamelessy dropping my lock rework

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1404495872775032963

[worldly phoenix]

That one slot can be used as basically every style on the court. You don't know just how scary a good copycat is. They can be eerily unpredictable.

[light cove]

but thats besides the point most people still would rather use psychic and cyber over plenty of the other styles you named and yes while lock is everywhere in ranked lock has no drive moves so why would you nerf the drive move I already have

[light cove]

unfortunately its not every style on the court and thats what im trying to get at

play 5 RANKED matches as copycat in this meta and see how it goes because its truly a nightmare trying to be unpredictable and have constant usage with youre abilities

[worldly phoenix]

Keyword: basically.

[worldly phoenix]

Oh, I forgot the compliment here. I appreciate that.

[light cove]

basically isnt gonna cut it whenever its your fourth match going against all cybers and psychics and your only saving grace is your friend whos also using cyber/psychic and your other friend whos using emperor because he feels pity for you since you cant copy anybody else

[wild pawn]

🤔

lock nerf

and giant nerf too

[light cove]

ofc and its always helpful to see how people view the other styles they dont play so I can learn how to use them in unpredictable ways'

[worldly phoenix]

Flowstep alone can manage if they're using psychic. They probably have a single working braincell.

[light cove]

my little dash half-way across the court means nothing whenever they invert my controls and press me til i pass (which'll probably get intercepted) or try my best to dribble past them. Because unlike psychic players I dont have a completely unblockable shot that can be made from practically anywhere on the court!

[runic ibex]

i think

i think this fixes lock

a little bit

[worldly phoenix]

So a cool thing with playmaker, 2 dribbles+nutmeg is an almost guaranteed 3. Predictable? Yes. Hilarious if it wins you the game? Also yes. And once again if your team knows you use playmaker they can easily head to the paint if you end up getting guarded. That way alley oop can be used consistently for buckets.

[runic ibex]

it's a bandaid fix, but it's something

[wild pawn]

yeah but giant thooo

😢

and also star too

[worldly phoenix]

Pump passing works while confused by the way, so there's that. And for the record jump passing works while confused as well.

[worldly phoenix]

Giant getting that officially kills it. Snatch block was already having it rough on its own, with all the nerfs it's gotten.

[wild pawn]

yeah snatch need a buff 💔

longer snatch window?

[runic ibex]

giant's officially the worst mythic!

this is horrible

[wild pawn]

can't even make a suggestion

since chrollo wanna gatekeep them

[worldly phoenix]

Should make it faster. As well as increasing the snatch window.

[wild pawn]

😢

[wild pawn]

yeah

[worldly phoenix]

And of course post form is completely useless if there's a jackpot.

[stone jewel]

how is this a lock nerf btw

i dont get it

[worldly phoenix]

So there's that.

[wild pawn]

so basically some style has abilties iframe passes (gold,phantom etc) lock used to catch it, now it don't

[worldly phoenix]

Intercept is no longer able to intercept unblockable passes, such as bullet, needle, and ultimate pass.

[wild pawn]

it's a small nerf

[runic ibex]

intercept can't steal ability passes

[stone jewel]

oh

[runic ibex]

phantom mains are rejoicing rn

[worldly phoenix]

Honestly? It's a big nerf. Now playmaking is gonna run rampant.

Which is a good thing mind you

[stone jewel]

its a small nerf

[runic ibex]

people probably won't complain about lock anymore?

[stone jewel]

no

its still braindead

no counterplay

[wild pawn]

lock still super good

[stone jewel]

to intercept

except for using styles

[runic ibex]

it's a big hit, but still

a very good change

coming from someone who mains the style

[worldly phoenix]

Definitely not. The style is still inherently babying the user.

It's a good change but the style remains brainrotted.

[wild pawn]

i don't know why they buff the intercept, lock was fine with the hands up buff

[runic ibex]

that's fair.

i'd take iframes off of intercept and put a cooldown if you mistime the ability, but make the pass faster

[wild pawn]

oo that's fire

[runic ibex]

hands up is fair, but it dies to any dribble

[worldly phoenix]

Not gonna sugarcoat it, if a style's braindead I'm gonna say it.

[runic ibex]

yup.

it's a different kind of braindead.

[runic ibex]

read my rework it's fire please

[wild pawn]

where

[runic ibex]

here

[worldly phoenix]

Iframes remain, but add a global cooldown and a punish if you spam it like a toddler.

[runic ibex]

that's perfect

i think giving the player the choice to keep the ball or pass would be welcome as well

the *pass *doesn't have iframes in the animation, but the actual *steal *does

[worldly phoenix]

With that, lock would be a somewhat skilled style. Not super hard to use and get a hold of, but really hard to abuse.

[wild pawn]

🔥

[worldly phoenix]

Since for a lot of timings you'd need a perfect trigger finger

Ayy level 30, i didn't realize

[wild pawn]

i have not join the game yet

how is spider like

?

[echo raft]

why is this guy so mad

the guy defending copy

he typed like a whole paragraph

[runic ibex]

those changes should fix it

-# i changed hands up a little bit for it to be more user friendly as well, and also gave it an awakening variation

[runic ibex]

to be fair, i wrote a similar amount hating on copy

[tame moat]

yo

btw

copycat can copy spider

and probably symbiote too

[runic ibex]

damn

more fuel for the fire 😭

[tame moat]

i wanted to test it and to my suprise it could

which is crazy cuz its literal superpowers

i will say spider isnt crazy good

its pretty mid

you can steal from its dribble move and block its dunk variant easily

[runic ibex]

the devs are finally waking up ...

also i love the move that throws a teammate

that's the first fun move i've seen in a while

and a pretty balanced steal as well

lowk praying for the day i can post suggestions again

[eager jay]

You underestimate the lack of thinking these lock complainers get

They will still complain until lock gets nerfed to the ground

Gotta feel bad for lock/giant/star now tho

Cant steal unblockable passes anymore

[compact brook]

playmaking styles already are on the bottom cuz defense > offense > playmaking

now its better

its always defense meta

no matter what

its just styles with defensive abilities and awakenings

and unblockable passes are balanced it doesnt guarantee you a 3 or anything

[tame moat]

I feel bad for giant and star but not lock because atleast there’s some timing required to get the passes

Smooth brain lock players sit there spamming intercept until literally any kind of pass happens

And boom intercepted

[runic ibex]

yup

although i do get the hate somewhat for intercept

it was obnoxious before (still is) and shut down all playmakers, but now they can actually use their abilities to the best extent withou having to adapt to a lock

but complaining about hands up is mind boggling

[compact brook]

thing is it doesnt jsut shutdown all playmakers it also makes it so you cant ever pass unless its close passes it removes one of the mechanics completely

and theres no punishment for spamming intercept

it doesnt go on some kind of 10 sec cooldown

or requires to time it

[tame moat]

Yea i don’t think hands up needs to be complained about

[compact brook]

you dont need to do anything just spam the button

[runic ibex]

honestly i'd buff it but

[tame moat]

Intercept is just stupid 0 timing and could intercept any pass

[runic ibex]

it's mediocre as of now

[icy vine]

even if lock gets reworked we still have spide

spider

lock 2.0

[runic ibex]

should have a 10 second global cooldown

[tame moat]

Yea but for some reason they had to gut giant and star too

Instead of just balancing lock

[icy vine]

buff psychic and nerf star again🤣

[compact brook]

giant still can react snatch while standing in the center

[runic ibex]

paying chrollo to use my rework /srs

[tame moat]

I don’t even think psychic got nerfed yet

[compact brook]

theres a reason why giant was meta and was one of the best styles for 2v2s as well

[icy vine]

the shot is 0.01 seconds slower

or something like that

[tame moat]

lol

[runic ibex]

now's the time to nerf it, considering it's out of the spin cycle

like into the dirt

it could be the worst style in the game and i wouldn't care

[icy vine]

how did star get nerfed

[tame moat]

Every lock has the same stupid argument that it’s a defensive style which it is but why the hell does that mean it takes no skill to use intercept

[icy vine]

it could steal ability passes before?

[runic ibex]

it could, yeah

but it was difficult

[icy vine]

oh

[runic ibex]

not really a star nerf

[tame moat]

These dudes spam intercept key all game and get mad when ppl complain that it’s so brain dead

[runic ibex]

because it was rare

[icy vine]

but it was an indirect nerf

kinda

[runic ibex]

yup

[runic ibex]

keep in mind these same lock mains have no idea how to play man to man or use hands up

[icy vine]

nerfing star leap before cursed dash💔

[tame moat]

I’m saying

[runic ibex]

and can't actually play defense for the life of them

[tame moat]

They can’t play any defense with out their kit carrying them

[icy vine]

lock takes 0 skill yeah

[runic ibex]

hands up takes a little bit of positioning knowledge

but that's it

literally, that's it

intercept can be spammed and used from anywhere withou drawback

[tame moat]

Intercept takes a smooth brain and that’s it

[runic ibex]

and is bugged to hell

[icy vine]

ngl the website sucks

[compact brook]

intercept would be balanced if you had to time it

[runic ibex]

i think my intercept changes are the best you can do with it

[icy vine]

no one uses it

[runic ibex]

without completely gutting it

[tame moat]

And had global cd because multiple locks literally ruin the game they don’t allow anything

[runic ibex]

level 13 nice

how much longer i got to go til level 25 😭

[tame moat]

Wait is there a lvl requirement for suggestions ?

[runic ibex]

yep

i suggested that, and i'm pretty sure they saw it or im just tweaking

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1404804980673871882

[tame moat]

Dear god if these devs just used their brains and had some creative thinking their players wouldn’t have to make the suggestions for them

How hard is it to use your brain and understand when something is stupid or unfair or bad

I’ve seen players cook so hard for this game

[runic ibex]

i actually made like

[tame moat]

Meanwhile this devs release mid and don’t do anything about issues in the game

[runic ibex]

a new defensive style

could i drop it here 💔

[tame moat]

Go for it

The bbz devs need a revamp

[runic ibex]

peep

oh man it blocked the images-

hold up

[icy vine]

this game is getting ruined by some of these styles

i swear

[tame moat]

Not just that but they are releasing straight mid

Did you see spider it literally looks rushed and unfinished

[runic ibex]

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1YYHrMdQOJ_Y_VElrJZny1IEpyHFeXQQGZJtEv_W6UC0/edit?usp=sharing

aight

[tame moat]

Hopefully symbiote is good

[runic ibex]

legendary defensive style based on anthony davis

[tame moat]

Oh lord if they add a lebron style

Idk the chosen one

It’s gonna be able to fly

[runic ibex]

i've been working on styles for certain players

[tame moat]

Im quitting

[runic ibex]

that and an actual roblox basketball game concept

might post that here when i'm higher level idk i like feedback

[tame moat]

i miss when chrollo and tatlis would actually try on their styles

now they releasing straight mid

copycat trailer had me so hyped and when i actually used the style it delivered

that copy chain move still one of tuffest animations they have in the game

[neon star]

The animations are lowkey better

[quiet swan]

Bump

[torn mist]

Funny when venom can block shots passes or any amount of ball being off or on the player

[dreamy adder]

I use tatlis. Lock isn't an issue for me. That's if there's not 2 of them on the same team otherwise it becomes a nightmare.

[dreamy adder]

Rubber can do that and no one complains. It's even a better version of venoms snatch. I think venom is fine the way he is after his nerfs

[torn mist]

Yes BUUUT NO ITS UNFAIR (its good enough)

[dreamy adder]

True. Plus people can just wait until all ur dribbles are finshed and just use it than

[wide meadow]

rubber is counterable without any style

you cannot do anything to stop intercept, especially when u aren't expecting it

[neon star]

Rubbers isn’t consistent

[tame moat]

Lock intercept literally has no flaws

You can’t even counter it without the right style

I’d rather they buff hands up in someway and nerf intercept

[torn mist]

It passes to a teammate even if you dont want to

[tame moat]

lol

How can they make it an untimed move too

U just spam intercept until something happens

[short sapphire]

How about we make it so lock doesn’t magically teleport full court to intercept a pass from 2 people literally withing 2 cm of each other

That sounds like a good idea no?

[tame moat]

W

[torn mist]

Chuck nerf

[tame moat]

Lock can intercept shots sometimes

[short sapphire]

Lost a game cause of that

Was carrying 35 points

Score was 37-39

[tame moat]

Playing against 2 or more locks is just horrendous

[torn mist]

Defensive venom?

[tame moat]

Literally 0 plays

[short sapphire]

Once seen 4 locks and a tatlis on a team

Thought i was in hell for a sec

[tame moat]

Horrendous

[quick zinc]

bump

[short sapphire]

Worse than that

Score was like 14-35

Genuinely cried

[torn mist]

no one ever cares about venom defensive ability's but I'll show you all...

[short sapphire]

Venom is top 3 worst limiteds

[torn mist]

Bro doesn't not know it can block passes shots and the ball rolling around and that's just one move

It good trust

[short sapphire]

Bro doesn’t know without it ignoring iframes its buns and easily avoidable

[torn mist]

Not one person has countered me mabye because Ian simply good and have high point counts but seriously 75% of people with venom doesn't know that it can stop shots and passes

[short sapphire]

You gotta be playin with bots

[torn mist]

I use ts in ranked genuinely people dont know

[idle crane]

what tier

[torn mist]

"Iron"

No platinum

[dreamy adder]

They should just give it a 2 second activation like Spidermans sense move so it will be less spammy. Also it can't be used on the other side of the court oy on ur side. It should also have a global cooldown like emporor reach

They should also make it so that when there's more than 2 lock users on one team the ability cooldown is increased by 5 seconds

[quiet swan]

Rubber man is annoying as well

but lock is way worse

rubber mans are goaltending but backwards from a far distance and the block move range is far and needs a nerf but I wouldn't go to far and say it's a problem

lock has been a on going problem that has not been getting any better

[eager jay]

Ayo chill, if they plan on nerfing it that much then they need to heavily buff hands up

Or else lock becomes one of the worst styles in the gsme

Literally the only thing making it relevant rn is intercept, taking that away is tantamount to taking everything from lock away

Even chuck would be better than it

[idle crane]

that’s not really impressive gng

[torn mist]

Sarcasm