NERF CYBER AND PSYHIC DEBATE

[near talon]

or they can just make how lock was before when you can actually steal intercept WHICH WAS SO GOOD BRO

[agile timber]

you mean the ball i-frames? cause that just isn't much of a buff

[near talon]

When you could steal it everything was peak

[agile timber]

and have there be no reason to play lock

intercept is unlike any other move in the game

it's an on demand pass counter with hard counterplay

and you're suggesting to make it a shot counter/steal

[agile timber]

then it was too weak, since the animation is so long you have ample time to steal

[near talon]

passing is a key essential to scoring snatch block can counter passes but it's much harder cause you have to time predict same with all the others with lock intercept doesn't counter shots easily it only does passing and passing is more important than shooting

I understand it coming from a 3k player

and I highly doubt your a 3k

u said a 2k before you changed it

[agile timber]

intercept doesn't counter shots period

[agile timber]

along with that, intercept is the only move that counters unblockable pass moves like jackpot pass

[near talon]

Never said

[agile timber]

use commas next time

then

[rugged briar]

I’ll be so real when I’m playing I’ve seen a ton of chrollos and like 2 locks

[near talon]

Sigh

🤦‍♂️

[agile timber]

also, just not true, lock has been rolled in volume more than chrollo but has much much less play time and doesn't typically stay within builds

[near talon]

more people use lock cause they like the feeling of abusing intercept

before the buff notice how lock wasn't being used till now

[agile timber]

it's barely being used still

[near talon]

that's like saying buffing tatlis or copycat and than why getting mad when it needs a re work

[agile timber]

tatlis is being used more, chrollo is, every limited besides perfection and maybe bbg is being used more

[near talon]

if tatlis was to get buffed I guarantee you 60% of people would use the style

same with copycat

[agile timber]

is english your second language cause this sentence is genuinely incoherent

[near talon]

from your standpoint thats what you are saying

you said nobody uses lock when that's not true if we talking about 2s we can agree but 3s ranked or in normal/pro servers everyone is gonna use lock

[agile timber]

that isn't cause my point is coherent, your words actually don't form any complete idea

[near talon]

at this point

IF LOCK IS NOT SO BAD WHY ARE 20+ PEOPLE MADE SUGGESTIONS ON A NERF WHEN IT GOT BUFFED

EXPLAIN

watch another counter

like if people are complaining about a style that bad it should mean something

[agile timber]

okay is that not what a conversation/debate/argument is?

[near talon]

so you gonna debate all the 20+ people?

[agile timber]

because people complain about variety styles

[near talon]

and more

nice logic

I'm losing brain cells

[agile timber]

there were 30 suggetions for lazy worker trap nerfs

[near talon]

what style do you main?

[agile timber]

switcher

[near talon]

😭

[agile timber]

been like it since it came out

before then, star

[near talon]

you like it cause of the cursed dash don't it?

[agile timber]

I like it for the switching

[near talon]

Cap

more people use cursed dash than switch

and don't say im wrong

[agile timber]

okay?

[near talon]

I for one play more than you

[agile timber]

I'm not

why does that matter

[near talon]

thank you

[agile timber]

cause I like the switching move more, sure I use cursed dash more, but of the two my favorite is switch

cursed dash is more versatile, switching allows for better plays

[near talon]

I was just curious on what playstyle you use cause people defend lock a lot

not as much now

thank god

[agile timber]

Cause lock just isn't something that's a problem

[near talon]

so what is the problem

[agile timber]

chrollo is, tatlis is, symbiote is, spiderman is, cyber, psychic, rubber, basketball god and ace even

it's not cause all of these are busted

some just aren't

but it's cause the idea of balancing in this game isn't making a unique style anymore it's about creating overtuned styles

[near talon]

all of this is so inaccurate

[agile timber]

they are all overtuned

[near talon]

besides psychic

Cause I hate psychic

so annoying

[agile timber]

and that's bias showing

cause all of these have the same issue

their kits are too broad

I'mma pull ts up again
Right now we have:
All-rounders: 10 (Spider, Symbiote, Emperor, Gold, Rubberman, Ace, Star, Cyber, Psychic, Perfection)
Shooters : 7 (Chrollo, Jackpot, Sniper, Chuck, Clutch, Uncle Sam, Basketball God)
Lockdown: 4 (Tatlis)(Giant)(Lock)(Fetch)
Passers: 2 (Phantom) (Playmaker)
Gimmick: 2 (Fastfood) (Copycat)
Defense: 0
Dribbler: 1 (Flash)
Variant: 2 (Quick) (Switcher)

do you not see a problem here

[near talon]

ace is predictable let's get this out the way basketball god is just weak free twos cyber is bad predictable base just bad chrollo is mid awk can be useful not too much the force pass needs to be stopped or replaced but at the same time not a problem tatlis is fine rubber is fine symbiote got nerfed only good move is the snatch and you have to use it when ball is in air and spider is bad too only good move is shot sense

[agile timber]

No style should have everything, but here we stand with Rubber, Psychic, Ace

[near talon]

rubber man is so easy to defend against

[agile timber]

my point isn't that they are strong

can you read?

[near talon]

all u have to do is spam steal when they use defensive movesets

[agile timber]

it's that they are too much

[near talon]

.

HOW IS RUBBER MAN AND ACE AND BASKETBALL GOD TOO MUCH

[agile timber]

the balancing issue comes not from them being broken, it's from them having everything

[near talon]

ace is the worst mythic

even with re work

[agile timber]

I mean't tos ay emperor instead, mb

[near talon]

altehtic fade is so predictable kids use tech and it's predictable dribble move is balanced but not much the dash just carries it cause kids spam it on defense

[agile timber]

but the problem is that they have everything

[near talon]

who uses ace bro

idiot mythic

[agile timber]

no one, maybe a few people, but the problem with balancing is that they overtune kits instead of making them a playstyle

[near talon]

kits?

confused

[agile timber]

Let's look at ace
Ace: Off ball movement, Shooting, Long Dribble

Psychic: Movement, pass, shooting, variant

Emperor: Pass, Variant, Auto steal, Dribble

[near talon]

Psychic is worse

[near talon]

now its worse too

[agile timber]

it doesn't matter, the actual power of these moves doesn't matter to overall game health

cause that can be changed in an instant

it's the nature of the abilites

how they have at least 3 of the 4 core base pathings in the game

usually styles would have 1, maybe 2 pathing(s)

[near talon]

the nature of the abilities is what ruins, bbz to become a balanced game but chrollo himself doesn't care about making bbz balanced for one he even made statements about this and he releases unless limited, that don't require pure gameplay

[agile timber]

Yeah chrollo doesn't

but he will care soon

because there will come a point where they can't overtune a style to a point where it will increase temporary player retention

In the future there will probably be a core 4 style, 1 long dribble, 1 Auto Steal, 1 Auto 3 pointer, 1 long movement

That's the point where the game will become unplayable, right now we have a buncha styles with 3/4s

[near talon]

he should've just made the game balanced and released limiteds that were balanced

adding screens in bbz would've helped a lot too,

[agile timber]

yeah, but now he actually need to rework the limiteds

or add different types of styles

[near talon]

He is so focused and obsessed with soccer zero he doesnt care

he is doing this to increase player count for a quick bag

that's why he adds idiotic limiteds and give the people what they want

he prefers having a huge fan base over pure entertainment and quality

I dont blame chrollo tho

I blame the bbz community as well

for not putting the word out more too

[agile timber]

chrollo is smart, so is everyone else on the dev team, they can make so much more money through additive player retention instead of temporary

Unless he is planning on abandoning the game once soccer zero drops he does care about balancing

cause a semi-balanced game will always stay alive

[near talon]

you missing the points what do you not understand chrillo does not care about bbz he literally said in announcements he doesn't enjoy adding kurko characters and fell out working on the game he was focused to bigger projects in the future

if chrollo did care you would see massive changes

[agile timber]

This was obvious from the start

[near talon]

I disagree

[agile timber]

we will see next update

[near talon]

when perfection came out nobody had no idea it was gonna get this out of control and we didn't know chrollo fell out making kurko characters we thought he enjoyed it but kept limited to increase pc but evidently he doesn't care

[agile timber]

kuroko no basketball is not an anime you enjoy, it's an anime you get a rush from, as much as people say taste is subjective, it isn't, shows pre plan which emotions you feel, once you have burnt all the fuel you got from a rush anime you begin to hate it

[near talon]

regardless of limited or not chrllo was the problem to the game downfall

[agile timber]

Limiteds don't increase Player count either, they just give a temporary rention boost, which is nowhere near the same thing when it comes to roblox earnings

[agile timber]

yeah

he is

ithe game can still recover, this isn't y2k

they can balance out the styles already out and introduce new cores to the game balance

or they can go back to specializing

either works

[lethal tendon]

give kuroko intercept and increase him to a legendary

[glad stream]

At the end of the day you decided to play the game that CHROLLO and TATLIS made. No one forced you to play bbz. Also it sounds like u didn't get any of the limiteds XD

[tribal minnow]

Ong

I have gotten every limited once

And gotten everyone one upon return

The only one that I will never have is cell

Which is fine

[glad stream]

Than why r u hating 🙏😭

Plus cyber is more balanced than pyschic

[tribal minnow]

Cyber a knock off version of jp

Ong

Jp from wish

[pale vapor]

did emp reach get a buff ???

[tribal minnow]

No bugged

If not in updates than not a buff

[pale vapor]

its a game changing buff bro he is venom 2.0

bug

[tribal minnow]

Wdym

[pale vapor]

It can intercept anything like venom

Venom in his prime

[tribal minnow]

It's a bug

[wind zephyr]

true

[stoic island]

Bro its TikTok concepts you'll be all right besides you probably saying that because you can't get the style

[pale vapor]

A bug that’s basically prime venom

[tribal minnow]

Yeah but doesn't mean it's intended

And it takes a while to activate

[cold trellis]

The problem is we were supposed to be relieved after the symbiote nerf but now emp vision is basically the same if not worse as you can steal from your teammates with it too

not to mention no update this week cuz of the break

so in short nothing changed

[tribal minnow]

No because RDC

[tough kestrel]

lock is buns?

[pale vapor]

explain rdc pls

[tribal minnow]

Dev conference

[tribal minnow]

It's something annual

Where devs influencers, 3d artists and brands come together

[near talon]

lock is horrible

and it's ruining pure gameplay

[tough kestrel]

cap

[near talon]

if you disagree you're just hating

[tough kestrel]

lock is so bad

[near talon]

lock is bad cause its mad overpowered

no way to defend against it

and its not just an opinion its one contributing fact

[tough kestrel]

if u losing to lock

u r buns

nerfed to the ground

and u still whining

[near talon]

nobody loses to lock its annoying to defend against and highly unplayable when going up against

so your logic is if I complain about one style or if people complain about a style you go to assumptions suggesting that they lose too it

@tough kestrel yo gang

you smart

you right

lock is not bad

why you so smart

[tough kestrel]

funny thing is u dont complain about one style

u complain about everything

maybe u js the problem buddy

never once seen you type a sentence that wasn't whinging

genuinely unsure if your ragebaiting

which is what i assumed

[near talon]

if you can name at least 5 styles and 2 zones I've complained about ill never argue or make an opinion here again

[tough kestrel]

aint u the one that made the giant buff suggestion

literally all u did in that post was cry about everything

its embarassing

[near talon]

people made suggestions about giant being nerfed and almost 300 people reacted with fire emojis I made comments and they agreed

everything you say is so false compared to mines

😂

300 bro

300

[tough kestrel]

false?

[near talon]

😭

[tough kestrel]

literally u did just whine

people probably got sick of u

who wouldnt

the actual living example of the tatlis style

[near talon]

you change the subject wgain

Again

[tough kestrel]

??

[tough kestrel]

^^

this subject is about u crying

[near talon]

I didn't make the suggestion and people aren't sick of me it's just different opinions

[tough kestrel]

what r u yapping about

[near talon]

they nerfed giant twice and it's unbalanced

u don't play bbz

[tough kestrel]

playin it rn

[near talon]

so I'm complaning about giant when they nerfed him twice and 300+ people actually more people complaining about him and your defense is cause I whine too much

yeah im not paying you attention

clearly ragebaiting

have a nice day tho

[tough kestrel]

i was never on abt ur giant post js saying all u did was cry

i have no input on that post since you was what i assumed was ragebaiting

[waxen yew]

Ngl you got a point because all people gotta do is 777/gold vision (for dribbles) or real basketball (for unblockable dunks) and use symbiote or anything that has a guaranteed steal

[stoic island]

Not granted no more

[rancid basin]

told yall rubberman would be getting removed

[noble hearth]

sad it did

[devout kiln]

.

[sudden rampart]

Crazy how they nerfed confusion but not ordinary shot

[wind shard]

they did but ngl its still unreactable but its not even that op tbh u can predict it sometimes