NERF CYBER AND PSYHIC DEBATE

[indigo loom]

how is free 3ps if u playing defenes ?

[lost grail]

what counters pass intercepts lol

[sinful nacelle]

Copycat can copy a lock and then use its moves to take the ball back dummy 😂

Think with ur brain cmon

[near talon]

he's ragebaiting

best one I've seen tho ngl

[white comet]

cyber aint even that bad tho

[spark monolith]

Cc can counter anything basically

[near talon]

No it doesn't

[white comet]

physic MAYBE but it's just 2 pointer

[near talon]

yap yap

[potent rivet]

It dose buddy

[lost grail]

u would've said it is if psychic didn't drop

[indigo loom]

no one plays defnes in this game everyone guard the same person at once it makes me so made when 3 ppl tryna block one persons shot

[sinful nacelle]

Dsign ur getting smoked so bad u just calling everything yap and ragebait

Just admit ur wrong

😂

[white comet]

u right ngl LOL

[spark monolith]

Rs

[white comet]

Rs

[potent rivet]

Damn

[white comet]

mfs be trying to ruin EVERY style that releasese

[sinful nacelle]

Ran em out the thread

Ts crazy 💔

[indigo loom]

facts and its sad

[white comet]

it really is

[spark monolith]

Lowkey, this might be the strat to get lvls in this server. Debating on style balancing

[lost grail]

or they just went to do something productive

[white comet]

chat

[sinful nacelle]

Apparently not

They’re back

[white comet]

should I make a wally west style suggestion?

[primal marlin]

balance? i dont even know that word

[spark monolith]

This is bbz, we never did

[near talon]

you just suck and you need to rely on a defensive moveset that ruins gameplay and if you can't see that from a good point of view and I'm sorry that you can't comprehend with facts facts beats opinions and majority beats minority

[potent rivet]

But we already have a speed based style tho

[lost grail]

nobody wants to be blitzed or you running at light speeds to shoot 3s

[white comet]

dw I'll make it balanced

[indigo loom]

its an anime basketball game

[primal marlin]

but we fix bugs that arent even bugs...

[spark monolith]

Hot take, but quick isn't bad.

[potent rivet]

Buy a dictionary then

[sinful nacelle]

Hot take

[white comet]

orrr It could be a skin..?

[lost grail]

why is he LYING???

[sinful nacelle]

Nerf giant again

Buff psychic

[primal marlin]

stop ragebaiting twin ur js annoying

[white comet]

😭

[potent rivet]

Ur bro u got baited so bad

[lost grail]

he was right about you ragebaiting

[near talon]

Plain as day

[potent rivet]

Baited another one😛😛😛

[white comet]

Also I don't even use physic or cyber and they lowk don't deserve the nerf

[spark monolith]

I dont use lock and think its fine.

[sinful nacelle]

Fair nuff on that one, but before I def wasn’t baiting LOL

[primal marlin]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1240810578029576292/1296509989979947119/attachment-9.gif

[near talon]

I respect your opinion

[indigo loom]

all they say is ragebait

[near talon]

still ragebait

[lost grail]

giant got the worst treatment oat🫩😭

[sinful nacelle]

Yeah idk why they nerfed it tbh

[potent rivet]

https://tenor.com/view/light-cubes-sped-special-special-ed-down-syndrome-gif-8504758980600295536

[indigo loom]

gaint isnt even bad to deal with tbh

[sinful nacelle]

It wasn’t that bad to deal with before

[lost grail]

cuz it was nerfed to the ground

[spark monolith]

Will never forget this 🤣

[primal marlin]

avg bbz player

[sinful nacelle]

Now it’s just trash

[near talon]

@lost grail #1404047437525680128 come here gang

[potent rivet]

Which also includes you my guy and especially you

[sinful nacelle]

“Majority beats minority”

[lost grail]

no

[near talon]

also btw why you said 1s was balanced

1s is very unbalanced

[white comet]

CHAT

[sinful nacelle]

Dsigns nobody here agrees wit u if u haven’t noticed

[white comet]

they should add a secret animation for Flash.

[lost grail]

thats the worst ragebait oat bro

[potent rivet]

Stop tryna pull ur “supporters” together man and especially then the number is less then two digits

[spark monolith]

No white or pink?... i dont like these colors!

[indigo loom]

just play defenes bro

[sinful nacelle]

They don’t got no supporters 😂

[lost grail]

where flash gets a nerf on quickstep drive right?

[near talon]

how im ragebaiting when 80% of randoms get carried by zone not to mention real basketball has shooting range and speed and what's worse free dunks

[white comet]

Nah, when he uses awakening, 20% chance he hits the wally west pose fr

[potent rivet]

I like yellow tho

[near talon]

ironic

[sinful nacelle]

Just block it ain’t hard

[near talon]

nah go back to chatting to them other people

[lost grail]

nobody spam dunks in 1s lol
thats 2v2s

[near talon]

tripping

[sinful nacelle]

Oh mb I hit you with a valid point

[near talon]

U tripping

[spark monolith]

I like black too 😁

[potent rivet]

Ur getting rage baited 80% of the time buddy

[white comet]

246 clown reactions btw

[indigo loom]

ion even use the free dunks lol

[near talon]

U don't play 1s

[sinful nacelle]

Lemme save that for people who actually understand that

[near talon]

No way

😂

[versed pecan]

Did i said something about defense?

[sinful nacelle]

Lemme talk to dsign in they language rq

Ragebaiter

Yap

[white comet]

LOL

[sinful nacelle]

Stop yapping and rage baiting dsign

[near talon]

cause I made it too late after the psychic came out people started to agree with me 80% of my suggestions get loved

[indigo loom]

make it make sense

[sinful nacelle]

Yap

Ragebait

[white comet]

Aside from that this suggestion is practically useless

[near talon]

Congratulations

[white comet]

Congratulations on 246 clown reactions 😭

[spark monolith]

Look, i agree about psychic, but saying ragebait to everything you dont agree with? Kinda childish yea?

[sinful nacelle]

Oh I leveled up off of clowning dsign

Maybe this is the lvl farm Strat

[near talon]

I went overboard a little bit but most here is bait

[sinful nacelle]

[potent rivet]

I’ll take white then

[near talon]

chat was all fine till the new people showed up

🤷

[indigo loom]

lol

[white comet]

They should maybe just nerf phychic's range when you use that one ability in awakening

[potent rivet]

Cuz bfor there was only one ppl who agreed with you

[sinful nacelle]

It was fine until you got actual rebuttals and devolved into calling everything ragebait which incited people to argue with you

[dusty crane]

Its balanced cuz you can just do the same

[indigo loom]

nobody was agreeing with you then wym?

scroll up

[dusty crane]

After zones used up

Just block

[sinful nacelle]

Fr

[near talon]

Phaninon you can't act like I'm the dumb one a minute ago you just agreeing with me in my suggestions glazing me

[spark monolith]

No, you're just finding ways to justify your own skill issue. Lock is fair. Its full defense.

[near talon]

@spark monolith

[spark monolith]

Alot more than just that.

[sinful nacelle]

I honestly think Dsign lost the plot after they tried to argue Copycat can’t counter Lock

[dusty crane]

Exactly no offense so it's balanced

[white comet]

Ordinary shot? // teleport?

[dusty crane]

Its like saying bbg is unbalanced because its full offense

[sinful nacelle]

Teleport is a headache but tbh it uses the same tech idea that stars use so

It’s fine

No need to nerf that

[potent rivet]

Idk why you still dragging this suggestion where majority of the ppl disagree with you, and you acting like tatlis and chrollo gotta see this and change the game. Just please stop talking and make this suggestion die man

[spark monolith]

Yea, those specifically in base. Confusion is counterable if your good

[white comet]

Yea, so like confusion doesn't really need a nerf right?

[spark monolith]

Just play inverted

[sinful nacelle]

The ordinary shot is overpowered in the right hands but it never is in the right hands from my experience

[spark monolith]

Simple

[sinful nacelle]

So it could be nerfed, but imo it just doesn’t really need it

Since majority of psychic users are easy to predict

[near talon]

its balanced cause he has a dash move and one little two point move lock is full on defense forces turnovers and effectively ruins gameplay and cause people to change different playstyles

[spark monolith]

Ordinary shot is weak. Teleport is better.

[spark monolith]

Its less situation

[white comet]

Teleport should just get reduced in range maybe

[near slate]

Just make ordinary shot have a small windup to it and tweak awk a bit and it’s fine.

[sinful nacelle]

Id nerf ts outta confusion tho

[near talon]

Phaninon you still ducked my question

[sinful nacelle]

That’s just my personal bias tho

Cuz I hate confusion

[white comet]

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[near talon]

😂

[lost grail]

pretty sure half court green has more windup than ordinary shot

[white comet]

iooooooooooooooooknow bout that fr

[spark monolith]

Didn't see it, at school on 2 bars and have 1 minute until class

[white comet]

confusion ain even that bad tho

[near talon]

😭

[sinful nacelle]

I’d nerf it to disable it if someone is in a shot animation

[lost grail]

ts against the law in my state

[spark monolith]

Ping me, ill reply after school

[white comet]

like if someones about to shoot and just got into the animation and then you use confusion?

[spark monolith]

Same, but class hasn't started yet

[near slate]

From my experience, when you’re in the air you’re unaffected by confusion

[indigo loom]

we dont even get the ball most of the time after confusion cause they start moving away or just pass

[sinful nacelle]

Yeah

Exactly that

[white comet]

reasonable

teleport needs a little nerf too

[spark monolith]

Not joking btw

[indigo loom]

all it does is force ppl to pass the ball which ppl dont do

[white comet]

I be seeing people ( Including me ) shooting it like to the corner then just teleporting

[sinful nacelle]

I feel like it’s fine since the range isn’t adjustable on the teleport

[potent rivet]

Damn I’m still on summer break

[sinful nacelle]

Remember that people do that with the star jump tech tho too

[white comet]

yea

[spark monolith]

Gtg peace

[white comet]

I don't got school till october 5th

[near slate]

Also Giant

[lost grail]

i wish they used display named when they said someone has ult so I can see who has ult

[potent rivet]

My school start in two weeks

[indigo loom]

yes

[white comet]

might be cooked

2nd day of school is hell tbrwy

[indigo loom]

or switcher now

[primal marlin]

only two weeks?

[potent rivet]

1hr till my summer course test I haven’t reviewed nun yet am I cooked

[potent rivet]

Yes

[indigo loom]

what?

[white comet]

I feel bad for you

[primal marlin]

we got 3 weeks and a lil bit more

[potent rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1309922498137030766/1315809154069303316/togif.gif

[potent rivet]

Lucky

[white comet]

for example lets say their user was like BasketballZero and their display is Basketball. It'll just say " Basketball " got awakening

instead of BasketballZero got awakening

[potent rivet]

Might not be a hot take but I HATE how sum games shows ur username not ur display name

[white comet]

ngl yea

[vast mulch]

It won't let me make a style suggestion

[indigo loom]

o ic yea that would be good

[near talon]

think its bugs tbh

[white comet]

it be showin the user you made when you were like 6-7 🙏😭

[near talon]

😬

[white comet]

tuff mango ngl

🥶

🥭

mf chat

[potent rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/993102244968943666/1377648171370680492/ezgif-81156f580ee0ec.gif

[vast mulch]

Tell me what you think of a style Based off him

[white comet]

those who know:

[potent rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1321724348435927142/1385763337261940868/20250621_022813.gif

[white comet]

🫵 😎

[indigo loom]

alr im out hope they dont mess with these styles next update

[vast mulch]

A style Based on him

[white comet]

🫵 😎 🫰

[potent rivet]

Highky it will be fire if they make a style out of a jojo character no combat move tho

[potent rivet]

I can’t think of any good moves for him tho

[vast mulch]

Me either

I had one for escanor but I don't know

[white comet]

Awakening move would be you pull out your stand and you guys tiki taka, then you throw the ball into the air and your stand starts barraging the ball into the goal

and you can choose your friend to be the stand like psychic

[potent rivet]

Rs

[potent rivet]

Even better

[white comet]

rs

[potent rivet]

Ngl is will be fire if psychics confusion is just turn the entire game upside down for EVERYONE on the court

[white comet]

or they swap confusion with another ability and move confusion to awakenin except it's different

the person you use confusion on the court for them suddenly starts spinning

[scenic rampart]

shinji

[potent rivet]

Swap self pass with confusion and make self pass only once and confusion turns everyone court upside down except the users but nothing else changed

[white comet]

YO

whys this look so ai tho

[white comet]

oh it is

[potent rivet]

Yeah

Yk what will be fire, a staged based style

Basic stage is passing main

The second is scouring main

The final stage is defense

So that it’s awk basically it’s awk is just going up a stage

With a cool animation and that’s it

😛😛😛

Limited and won’t come back

Copyable too

Or not idk

[quartz oak]

?

when did i ever say it wasn’t?

[inland hedge]

Js saying

[primal marlin]

GG ROBLOX

ACTUAL BUNS MODERATION

I was in a 2v2 aswell

[distant mantle]

why do you think i disabled chat for my account

[quartz oak]

either way, i never disagreed to it being busted chat 💔

[primal marlin]

Since when can you disable chat

[white comet]

so fked

[distant mantle]

ever since parents could alter your account

[quartz oak]

but they won’t ban hackers and E-daters

[white comet]

1 week isn't even that bad tho

I got banned for a year once

came back and never talked in chat again

[primal marlin]

Rip

I can wait tho…

Oh hell nah I’m gonna miss bbz upd

[white comet]

once again, fked.

[primal marlin]

Im gonna appeal gng

[white comet]

you get 3 appeals i'm pretty sure

if they deny 3 of those you're so cooked

[primal marlin]

Never appealed in my life so let me COOK

[white comet]

you better make it reasonable

[primal marlin]

Also u only get 1

[white comet]

I made 3

[primal marlin]

They deny any other

[median skiff]

cyber is already balanced

[white comet]

anyway

I gotta get back to doing my reps

good luck tho

[median skiff]

nerf psychic bruh

[primal marlin]

U too.

[quartz oak]

“the ult is broken!” people forget the drawbacks!

[median skiff]

ult is broken? pretty sure is a 2 and a cutscene

unless u just freeze time and get team8 to score

is the same as chrollo style , they just can’t dribble people to the floor

and cyber doesn’t have “green” always

[median skiff]

ik for a fact that if they make spider man unbalanced you will not cry abt it tho 😭

[quartz oak]

chat, reread what i said

[quartz oak]

if you reread, you’ll see i put quotation marks for a reason, then something after to show cyber is balanced

[median skiff]

oh 😭

[quartz oak]

reading comprehension chat 💔

[median skiff]

forgot to read for a sec

tbh vro

ngl

people just be debating so is rare to have someone agree

[quartz oak]

lemme break my reply down for you

the quotes were to show someone’s argument to why cyber’s ult is broken

[median skiff]

ik ik

[quartz oak]

then i said people forget the drawbacks of the ult which they really do

they see faster they think broken 💔

[median skiff]

unlike chrollo , he has no drawbacks 😭🙏

just pure aura farming

i mean tatlis made it pretty balanced imo

is just psychic that pmo

[quartz oak]

don’t let anyone hear you say ts 😭

they’ll start foaming at the mouth because you put tatlis and balanced in the same sentence

[median skiff]

compared to his stunning style it is

more balanced that saiki style lets be fr

[quartz oak]

oh yea psychic is broken

[tight halo]

Not really imo

[quartz oak]

i mean, i’m not here to start an argument, but i don’t complain because psychics are so predictable

[median skiff]

can’t even get past to m2 , ball pass is bugged and u get versus 2 psychis who use tp pass and free 3s

[quartz oak]

after ordinary shot they’re just sitting ducks waiting for a teammate to bail them out

[tight halo]

Confusion kinda sucks so

[quartz oak]

yo the opposing team passed the ball straight to me and i started dying laughing

[median skiff]

they are but not even when you jump u can block

[median skiff]

that might of been me 😭🙏🙏

idk why tf im passing the ball to the enemy team

[tight halo]

It's just an upgraded heat check bro

[quartz oak]

nah you’re master 2 right?

[median skiff]

they just gotta make some frames just like tp pass

[median skiff]

this one

[potent rivet]

guys i think i forgot how to pump fake

i click m1 and it just shoots

[quartz oak]

master 2

yea we’re not in the same rank

[median skiff]

yeah

[primal marlin]

Vro u won’t believe what Roblox did to me

Their ai is pure ragebait

[potent rivet]

whay happend

[potent rivet]

damn

[median skiff]

bbz is not bunz 😔

[quartz oak]

oh ik, they just use confusion rather than psychics pass

[potent rivet]

usally if i talk shii and i get a warning

i will shut my mouth lke a good boy

[median skiff]

can’t use confusion on giant tho

[median skiff]

they give me a free 3

[quartz oak]

mind you roblox will ban the truth and helpful people (shelp) rather than hackers and E-daters 💔

[primal marlin]

True

[median skiff]

facts bro

[primal marlin]

Also David didn’t ban schlep it was matt

Wish

Woah

Color Change

[potent rivet]

guys is 10hr on insta daily normal ?

[tight halo]

what about the rest of it

[quartz oak]

you can, and i have

[primal marlin]

U want the rest?

[tight halo]

yeah I wanna see

[median skiff]

no like after being in paint for the 2

[quartz oak]

200 damage, get him a revive NOW

[tight halo]

bro he needs that reboot..

[quartz oak]

i used confusion while they were in post-form

[median skiff]

yk giant can get a post hook mid court after confusing people

[potent rivet]

not a popular one but pyichic's teleport is useless

[tight halo]

he got another 100 pump when he was downed

[tight halo]

Ok wow the ai SUCKS

Thatstcraaazy

[quartz oak]

“YOU CAN TELEPORT ACROSS HALF THE COURT WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?! YOURE SUCH A GATEKEEPER” they say

[potent rivet]

damn

[potent rivet]

but thats it tho

[tight halo]

Teleport is so useful

But confusion isn't really as useful

[potent rivet]

rs

[quartz oak]

teleport is 50/50

[tight halo]

wdym 50/50

[quartz oak]

if you have the teammates to pull it off, then yes, it’s useful

[tight halo]

oh

I thought you meant like

The thing itself

nvm continue

[quartz oak]

but if you have teammates that aren’t the sharpest tools in the shed, it really isn’t viable

[tight halo]

okay but how do your teammates validate your teleport

if the move has nothing to do with it

❔

[potent rivet]

teleport have a bug, when a teamate pass to you while the ball is in the air you teleport the ball will start tweaking then gets back iinto ur hand, and the pass in unterceptable too

[quartz oak]

because if they know how to use teleport, they would use it to get passed an opponent, some of them just use it blindly

like i said, some players aren’t the sharpest tool in the shed

[tight halo]

Oh

[tight halo]

Well how is that dependent on your teammates when you're the psychic

?

[potent rivet]

valid

[quartz oak]

the inverse?

[tight halo]

then that's not answering my original question

i do believe

[quartz oak]

let’s say you’re the psychic, it doesn’t mean your teammates make a good pass or just get the ball stolen while you use teleport

sometimes if you’re the psychic, you get good teammates that’ll wait for you to use teleport, then pass

and sometimes you get bad teammates that’ll pass straight to the enemy team

[potent rivet]

ngl i use teleport when i see the ball passing to me so i can get futher

[quartz oak]

that’s why it’s 50/50

[quartz oak]

that’s what you would call a good teammate

[potent rivet]

frfr but most of the time its just timing and luck

[quartz oak]

but let’s say you use teleport in a similar scenario, but your teammate doesn’t have the best court vision

by the time they see you…they had already passed to someone closer to them and get the ball stolen

[potent rivet]

yeah

[potent rivet]

the timing on stealign and dribbelingg is wierd

[quartz oak]

stealing*

dribbling*

i’m not trying to be rude

is english your first language?

[potent rivet]

nah gng im on my laptop typing w one hand

not trying to be freaky im not jorky jorky it

[quartz oak]

💔

[lethal tendon]

GNG 3 HOURS OF ARGUING???

[quartz oak]

?

[potent rivet]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1309922498137030766/1315809154069303316/togif.gif

[lethal tendon]

the season guy started talking 3 hours ago

[quartz oak]

damn

[potent rivet]

i just came back tho....

[primal marlin]

Gng they ban me but they don’t ban these ugc emote creators

https://youtube.com/shorts/f4U1KeLseAw?si=TjQyz54kC-gPgxux

[near talon]

@primal marlin Roblox staff is so sensitive bro

[primal marlin]

True

[near talon]

I got banned for one day for saying you suck

one time

😑

[near talon]

Bump

[near talon]

Bump

Bump

Bump

and I know I be getting ragebaited

but let me say this

to whoever made statements saying that confusion does not need a nerf

please seek help

you have no idea how bad I've been getting spammed on it and if you think about it. It's no way to stop the spam

just saying

bump

[tough kestrel]

it doesnt

its fine

only shot and maybe tp needs a nerf

[lost grail]

and his 3 pointer lol

[tough kestrel]

yes his shot

[lost grail]

ult 3

[tough kestrel]

no

the ult is fine

[lost grail]

clearly ragebait

[tough kestrel]

pretty balanced limited ult

[lost grail]

clearly ragebait

[tough kestrel]

pretty sure cybers is better

psychic only gives u like what

7?

[lost grail]

5 points

in ult

[tough kestrel]

bru

thats so buns

[lost grail]

6 if that one move where you stun and you dont dunk

[tough kestrel]

cyber can freeze you twice for two 3 pointers

[lost grail]

cant remember how much this didnt happen

[tough kestrel]

u gotta use it first then use cutscene and then you'll have cd back

[lost grail]

does this have nearly a half court 3

they're pretty similar

both has a full court stun

[lost grail]

plus maybe it's 9 points if ult letd you keep ordinary shot

[tough kestrel]

no it gives confusion

[quartz oak]

we’re not serious 😭

yall see faster and think the ult is better which isn’t the case 💔

[tough kestrel]

no

well

yea that too

but the 2 freeze moves

are the good stuff

[quartz oak]

💔

you still can recover if they miss the dunk animation

meaning you were on their side of the court, then pressed hyperthought

[lost grail]

can anyone post suggestions for me

[waxen yew]

It has a global cooldown

[winter field]

only problem I have with Cyber is that whenever he pops awk it's just a bunch of unneccesary cutscene slop

like it was cool the first time i saw it, now i just sit on tiktok ignoring the game when i see that bs

[primal marlin]

Our attention spans are COOKEF

[near talon]

Your so weird

Opinions shouldn't even vary in this community anymore

people just don't know how to stop the game from being fun

[chrome lichen]

cyber is wasted potential

It looks good, but compared to physic, it's shi

[quartz oak]

i’m pretty sure the style that has frame 1 everything will be better than a style with startup frames 💔

[lost grail]

#1406330041406718094

[outer surge]

I can't add a new suggestion so I'll use this channel. Instead of adding so many skills that break the game,they need to focus on improving this lying hitbox in all the skills that already exist🙏🏼🙏🏼

[lost grail]

my fault for this

[nova hamlet]

Holy glaze

[quartz oak]

💔

outscored by nearly 10 million WHILE having a head start is crazy

[abstract junco]

Fr

[quartz oak]

if anyone got glazed, it’s cyber 💔

[nova hamlet]

I love cyber

It not that op

[wind shard]

What

[nova hamlet]

I

[quartz oak]

mind you, the context is cyber had a head start on the points thing

[willow basalt]

Whats still crazy is that cyber kept up for a while
With really only one skill being some what op the steal
While every ability on psychic is broken from the shot teleport and pass

[wind shard]

so? psychic just got more points cuz its way more unbalanced + chrollo glazers voted for it

[quartz oak]

doesn’t change the fact that it had a head start and is losing by 10+ million

[wind shard]

just proved my point

[quartz oak]

i never said they would win btw

i’m just saying they had a crazy head start and cyber is currently losing

where at all does that have to do with balancing

[pine ether]

l

[rancid basin]

lol your gonna combat a style that literally reverses your button controls or that has an unblockable three 😂😂😂 you can’t be serious rn

That’s in base kit

[wind shard]

fr and the awk even crazier

[south sequoia]

Guys let's talk about the issue thats about to happen

Spider man and venom are gonna be super op

[lost grail]

mad cuz ur on cyber lol

[nova hamlet]

But but

Senpai

:3

[lost grail]

no buts

snake chan

[nova hamlet]

Come on money Chan

Listen to me

[lost grail]

you haven't bumped my suggestion yet #1406330041406718094

no buts

[nova hamlet]

I was playing death stranding 2

[lost grail]

you'll be death stranding if you dont bump too

[nova hamlet]

I did bump senpai

[lost grail]

liar

[nova hamlet]

Idk how senpai :3

[lethal tendon]

hey im only gonna complain if i dont get either🫩💔

[south sequoia]

Same

[nova hamlet]

Don’t mind what we doing

[south sequoia]

I called the venom style happening

[lethal tendon]

whens teto style

[nova hamlet]

Spider tmw

Knock off venom Saturday

[lost grail]

someone make a post about nerfing them

not even predictions anymore

it's just knowing there gonna be sum op

[potent rivet]

30 lucky spins left and if i dont get either of them

WE are complaining of nerfing it

[fallen scaffold]

not sure why we would wanna nerf cyber (the post)

at least in base, its def balanced

[runic peak]

yeah

[lethal tendon]

the awk isnt THAT bad but people get so mad by it since each cutscene is like 5 minutes

[fallen scaffold]

it isnt that bad yeah

the powerup makes you stunned afterwards

the only annoying thing is you could use the cutscene or sandevistan twice

[azure kraken]

U can pass during it but sadly this is the avg basketball zero player

[lethal tendon]

fixed it

[quartz oak]

?

pass during what?

[spark monolith]

Ah yes, psychic is now 100% fair

Nerfing ordinary shot just a bit was the right way to go.

[wind shard]

still unreactable

[fickle carbon]

Baby nerf

[fallen scaffold]

the best nerf i can think of without making it useless is a chance to miss

[median skiff]

“nerfed a bit”

1% only btw

[median skiff]

im saying

make it so only after 3 dribbles you can make it 100%

or base it on distance , just like they did to chrollo

[wind shard]

nah just make it have some more windup and maybe increase the range a bit it will still be superior cuz it cant be blocked by abilities

Just make the shot reactable to block if someone is guarding psychic

[fallen scaffold]

its just redundant to me

if you're gonna just add windup and range

why not just activate zone and 3 pointer

its the same thing

[viral siren]

projectile

[fallen scaffold]

projectile is some buns

[viral siren]

perfect arc

[fallen scaffold]

perfect arc is easily blockable without animalistic

[viral siren]

undetermined shot

[wind shard]

yeah most styles have this kind of ability and saiki's just WAY better so it needs a nerf

[viral siren]

im not talking about how busted they are btw

"its the same thing"

yeah duh its a scoring ability

[fallen scaffold]

yea and most of the moves you mentioned are redundant

[viral siren]

every scoring ability is

[fallen scaffold]

i would rather 3 point normally

[viral siren]

thats kind of the point

[fallen scaffold]

chrollo's at least has chance and kinda makes sense

[viral siren]

you could just void every scoring ability by popping 777 to do half courts

[fallen scaffold]

and once it goes off thats where you can rely on chance moves like chrollo or smth

[viral siren]

its still redundant aint it

[fallen scaffold]

?

i find no use for perfect arc or projectile

[viral siren]

its just a half court with a chance of being detrimental

[fallen scaffold]

yes thats exactly why I suggested the nerf of chance

[wind shard]

they are good if u are open which is the point the only useless one is perfect arc without animalistic zone imo cuz it can be easily blocked even with slow reaction time which is stupid cuz even if u open they can still catch up

[fallen scaffold]

there are other ways around this, it doesn't have to be exactly like chrollos

[viral siren]

or maybe like make the move slightly more reactable idk

the issue people have is that its frame 1

[wind shard]

yeahh

[viral siren]

nobody cares if its almost the same as shooting with limitless on

[wind shard]

cuz wdym 5 ppl are guarding the guy and none of them can block it

[fallen scaffold]

they are yes, but don't you think that you could just shoot 3s

[viral siren]

that goes for 99% of shooting abilities

nobody cares

they still use it regardless

[wind shard]

nah if every ability would be like projectile or luffy shot they would be very usefull just sniper aint it no more

[fallen scaffold]

projectile is like uncle sam

its far too slow

even if you're open, the opponents could probably just go up to you during the windup

[wind shard]

Not really, u can only block it when u jump at the beginning

[fallen scaffold]

its very situational

but you're gonna have to use it regardless because you want to get rid of it

so its either sacrifice a potential point just to get implant back or just have it waste a slot

[past nebula]

Yo if u like what I say on here pls check this out #1408965751817375875

[timber marsh]

I think the ordinary shot needs a global cooldown in ranked tbh

[lethal tendon]

“We made the wind-up from 0.01s to 0.15s”

[gentle pendant]

you can pump

most people fall for it

and if it doesnt work pass or ig waste it

[fleet dust]

Barely nerfed but now I know the timing for the ult moves

You can steal from both moves when they ult lol

As long as you’re fast enough to steal it when they grab the teammate for the dunk

[potent rivet]

symbio bum af

wasted 20 lucky spin

[hasty willow]

💀

It's a 1% chance chill

[quartz oak]

💔

bro wasted lucky spins for symbiote

[hasty willow]

It took me like 30 for spider and 5 for symbiote

[quartz oak]

type

[potent rivet]

lucky

[willow basalt]

I used up 800+ normal spins and 75 lucky spins for spider and I forgot how many for venom
Got emp and gold so many times but it was a nightmare for spider

[atomic peak]

Frrrr

[past nebula]

Does rank take more skill than normal

[raw crow]

Yes

[tough kestrel]

ongod this is cap

rank is whatever the cheesiest combo wins

[raw crow]

Nah

[tough kestrel]

Yes

[raw crow]

Nuh uh

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1392160831059394651/1409430038960410766/attachment.gif

[tough kestrel]

ranked is 80% ping difference and 20% play the most obnoxious styles in existence

[raw crow]

https://tenor.com/view/little-kitty-kitten-looking-a-phone-wth-huh-confused-gif-9511786994202518313

[sacred juniper]

Perfect❓🌹🔋

[glossy hazel]

They’re balanced

[near talon]

they are not balanced

Psyhic is still annoying

shot move you can predict now but you can't be in range all the time and can be baited by pump confusion sends you backwards

it has a teleport move

and just when you think it doesn't gets worse

the AWK

well pretty much its the worse awk known to man kind

[agile timber]

Every awk is busted dude

except cybers really

[near talon]

u wanna compare awk?

[agile timber]

but that's a different story

[agile timber]

it has 3 op moves instead of the common 2

[near talon]

psyhic has a dunk move and a move used on defense it's very busted and broken

usually they can wait and spam any time they like

[agile timber]

yeah, but I really don't have an issue with it since it's in awk, most styles have auto 2/3 2/2 3/3 pointers

I have a bigger issue with tatlis which has 4 auto 3 pointers in awk if you aren't a toddler

[near talon]

psyhic needs to be removed big time

same with lock too

lock has gots too go

and emperor

[agile timber]

you complaining about lock... but not tatlis

[near talon]

people are abusing emperor reach..

[near talon]

tatlis is so fine

[agile timber]

it ahs a visual and only works on shots

[near talon]

It works on passes too

[agile timber]

auto steal, 2 auto stuns in base 4 garunteed 3 pointers in awk

[agile timber]

Again, there is a visual and they can't steal during it

[near talon]

steal move just go up close to them they have to be far range or dish the ball the colored strike is easy to predict as well just not be in range

only good move on awk is the last move

It can be used on defense or offense which stuns everybody

tatlis has a massive cooldown in regular base the colored strike is predictable and not usable far range you just have to not be close and predict when they use it and pass or use a on ball move to get around it

snap only stuns one person as well..

so it's not bad but it's not good

it's pretty mid

lock on the other hand

has a intercept move

that can effect passing

[agile timber]

you haven't gone against a good tatlis and it shows

[near talon]

it can be countered with jackpot only

Star and giant can counter it but you have to time it and it's not guaranteed

and not everybody uses jackpot

[agile timber]

there are 4 styles with an intercept move

[near talon]

Lock affects passing that's what you don't understand the other so called intercept moves are defensive movesets that affect shooting lock counters passing something very important more than shooting to move the ball efficiently to score

don't even attempt to counter what im saying I'm speaking facts

[agile timber]

shot sense, emperor's reach, Tendril snatch

[agile timber]

it also is on the longest cd in the game

[near talon]

shot sense you can spam steal back tendril snatch isn't a big problem as it once was it got nerfed emperor is the only big problem

[agile timber]

75 seconds

[near talon]

with intercept it's guaranteed intercept and you can spam free without having it go on cooldown after you tap intercept once

[agile timber]

you knwo shot sense can be used from a 3 point line to half way 2 point line?

[near talon]

shot sense is still counterable

lock is worse

[agile timber]

so is intercept, the move goes in cd if missed

[near talon]

no you can spam intercept until you get the ball than it goes on cooldown with shot sense if you hit it once or mess up it automatically goes into cooldown

[agile timber]

you can't it has a 5 touch rule on it then goes on a 40 second cd

[near talon]

with the snatch move you can't go through a person dribble you can only use it if it's in air you have to time it so you can say it's a bit balanced but lock is a massive problem

Don't matter

why you defending lock?

a bad style everybody else

[near talon]

not true

[agile timber]

cause you're complaining about a bad style

[near talon]

so not true

[agile timber]

I don't even use it

[near talon]

go in bbz right now and spam lock more than five times when trying to intercept on defense

[agile timber]

and okay

[near talon]

okay u can't make statements if you don't use it

🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️

[agile timber]

let's say lock is this busted beyond belief style, what else does it have

hands up is actually useless

[near talon]

Lock is not a bad style it's a annoying style that ruins and effects gameplay you can't comprehend opinions vary but one opinion can change the outcome of something that ruins a lot that's why quality beats opinions and what's the right beats everything

[agile timber]

it has 1 intercept on a 75 second cd that while Beit has a hard and very pitch accurate counterplay that results in a turn over

[near talon]

it doesn't have a 75 CD btw

[agile timber]

it does, it's 75

[near talon]

No it doesn't

[agile timber]

you looking at the wiki I'm guessing

[near talon]

yes

it's 40

[near talon]

Idk how u knew 😂

but yeah my point still stands

[agile timber]

you know it's not only fan-made, but it's so outdated it still has reverse dunk at 70 second cd

(it was changed to 55 seconds a month ago btw)

[near talon]

Yeah but it's not 75

[agile timber]

but it is

[near talon]

I forgot the original CD but I know for one it's not 75

and nothing can counter lock if you really think about it when used

only thing that can is if you use lock and spam intercept back or use jackpot steal

giant and star is not guaranteed

[agile timber]

yes, having a perfect distance pass can

[near talon]

passing up close ruins gameplay too

nobody will get open

[agile timber]

not passing up close,

[near talon]

nothing counters lock

I should not be having this debate

[agile timber]

the way locks intercept works is that once the player presses the button the ball has a less thana 1/4th of a second window to reach the other player before it's stolen, if it's a close up shot it's automatic, there is a sweet spot about the size of the the exact side of the hoop to the 3 point line where it connects

I know this cause I've not only countered a few locks in 3s ranked, but because once you get the

[near talon]

if this was the case it would be countered easily but its not

it just goes back to the star and giant

just proving my point once again

[agile timber]

yeah it isn't countered easily

but it's literally all the style has

1 good move with hard counterplay

[near talon]

that's jackpot

jackpot is the only thing that can truly counter it

[agile timber]

let's compare it to something like chrollo, a auto stun half court dribble that punishes you for exisiting within a small space of it

[near talon]

jackpot counters giant post as well too

but heres the thing

[agile timber]

and a force pass + potential auto half court

[near talon]

Not everybody uses jackpot

[near talon]

your point?

[agile timber]

my point is that lock is not a problem

it has 1 thing going for it

and that's fine

[near talon]

You can't compare chrollo to lock that's Ludicrous chrollo force pass is very annoying I believe it's wrong but green move is 50/50 and blockable when used up court the dribble move on chorllo also got nerfed and is very predictable

and lock doesn't go in the same direction as always

when you on different sides it moves on opposite sides

you can't predict where it's gonna go

[agile timber]

again, you are using your inexperience as a crutch for your argument

[near talon]

not all the time it's counterable

[agile timber]

all the time it is, it's just a perfectly distanced pass

[near talon]

more people have lock than they have chrollo and don't say cause chrollo is a limited and lock is out everyday

lock is used more than any other legendary

it's even used more than mythics

[agile timber]

chrollo is also better

[near talon]

like if you gonna defend lock at least question or figure out why can't they re work lock intercept and make it where it can intercept shot moves not pass moves or give it a steal move like jackpot to where its balanced

[agile timber]

lock has one long cd move that's good and has built in counterplay even though it's hard, Chrollo has a short cd half court stun dribble, force pass and a potential half court

[agile timber]

cause then why wouldn't you just play jackpot

what would it have

[near talon]

tatlis cooldown is long and it's still spamable if you use it the right way

[near talon]

steal move can't counter shot moves

and jackpot steal is very easy to counter

[agile timber]

the most idiotic statement ever, the reason tatlis is spammable is cause it has 2 good moves on long cd, lock has 1 on a long cd

[near talon]

people are asking for a jackpot nerf but it doesn't need a nerf

Jackpot is fine

it's too easy to go up against

a dead mythic if you ask me

[near talon]

snap is good?

😂

nice ragebaiting

You must not know what nerf means

[agile timber]

good, not really, it's a bit above average considering it's an auto stun

[near talon]

Before kids was spamming snap on defense and offense stun range was even more wide the nerf was horribly bad they nerfed where you can only use it on ball and use it one person

but your saying it has 2 good moves

[agile timber]

hyperbole

[near talon]

Congratulations and nice logic I think that might be the most idiotic thing I've ever heard all this week no offense

😭

😭😭😭😭

[agile timber]

snap is also a very good out positioning tool, say you in a 3v3

[near talon]

u have to be baiting

😭

[near talon]

bro 😭

[burnt brook]

What yall arguing about

[agile timber]

ts guy is saying lock is more problematic than tatlis/chrollo/emp

[near talon]

So u know how snap got nerfed right?

nuggets is saying tatlis has 2 good moves that's why it's on cooldown

😭😭😭😭

[agile timber]

it's good in specific scenarios still

you're acting like removing a guy from the other team isn't a big deal

[near talon]

at first I thought nuggets was trolling till kept saying it

[near talon]

yeah but it's bad

still very bad

[burnt brook]

Wait what move was snap again

[agile timber]

okay here is an example

[near talon]

if it's 1s it's good other than that it's bad most of the time it's not gonna happen unless it's 2s ranked

[agile timber]

you block a shot on your side and get the ball, use snap on someone 3v2 just pas to the open guy

[near talon]

Im not debating this snap is only good if it's 1s nuggets

u said it was good

that's why I laughed

[agile timber]

it's good in scenarios

[near talon]

it's mid at best

it's not good

its mid

Colored strike is good cause it's guaranteed steal

[agile timber]

just cause you can't use it whenever in any scenario

you going to say that Trap isn't good either when it's a guaranteed 3 pointer with any coordinated team?

you going to say creator's dribble isn't good cause what if you miss someone with the stun

[near talon]

trap is bad it can only be used on offense but you have to time it can can be counterable with giant and star

nerfed in 2s too

and very predictable in 3s

[agile timber]

you're literally only taking into account that it's being used on shots

[near talon]

when on offense at your own start taking the ball up

[agile timber]

and no one above gold has ever used these styles ever

[near talon]

I just said on offense too when they use trap on defense in pubs from far range it's counterable

[agile timber]

oh wow, these 2 specific moves counter my move, shocker

[near talon]

people use giant in ranked all the time

and nobody plays ranked in bbz

especially 2s

it's unbalanced

[agile timber]

you gonna say that pressure is bad cause it can be countered by auto dribble moves?

[near talon]

dribble moves don't affects gameplay unless its a wide range and a wide stun varation

cursed dash is a problem but at the same time not really it's so predictable you just have to play back from a distance

[agile timber]

again, your point is that snap can be easily countered by jump moves, when there are two, which makes it worse

[near talon]

like you go in a public in pro servers don't see nobody open when playing 5s use snap stun one person the next man is right there or in ranked 3s a ranked that's actually balanced and still have to shoot over and not get blocked or pass?

you saying snap is good tells me everything

[agile timber]

is ordinary shot bad now too?

[near talon]

and you are defending lock which is worse too

and matter fact

[agile timber]

cause 70% of the players are CHILDREN with no higher brain function, they just go what's the "meta" and nothing else

[near talon]

what's the point of defending a defensive moveset when bbz has defensive movesets that block shots already

but chrollo adds lock

that counters passing

not shots passing

someone very important

[agile timber]

lock isn't even a defensive moveset, it's a lockdown moveset, we have yet to get a defensive moveset

[near talon]

this is why the bbz community defend fun over truth

[near talon]

😭😭😭😭😭

[agile timber]

lemme explain the difference
Lockdown: prevents the outcome of an action
Defensive: Prevents the ability to make an action

Right now we have:
All-rounders: 10 (Spider, Symbiote, Emperor, Gold, Rubberman, Ace, Star, Cyber, Psychic, Perfection)
Shooters : 7 (Chrollo, Jackpot, Sniper, Chuck, Clutch, Uncle Sam, Basketball God)
Lockdown: 4 (Tatlis)(Giant)(Lock)(Fetch)
Passers: 2 (Phantom) (Playmaker)
Gimmick: 2 (Fastfood) (Copycat)
Defense: 0
Dribbler: 1 (Flash)
Variant: 2 (Quick) (Switcher)

here are the style categories

I will happily explain the criteria if you have any questions

[agile timber]

why wouldn't there be somethings that counter passing, we already have unblockable passes, we should have stuff to be able to prevent them

[near talon]

So when people use lock intercept is not preventing other people to use they abilities? Or when you they use a defensive ability to counter a counter like before I said with giant and star countering lock and it fails is that not a defensive moveset you said lock is a lockdown moveset prevents the outcome of an action but from what I just said from my standpoint is that not a defensive moveset if I use quick drive step than dash on flash to get away from a defender and pass to a open teamate down field for a quick 3 and I'm not preventing an ability to make an action?

Bro read what i said

[agile timber]

that's not prevention, that's preventing the outcome

[near talon]

so quick to counter

[agile timber]

cause you're wrong in the first sentence

[near talon]

so therefore it's a defensive moveset

yes ?

😭😭😭

Nuggets BRO

😂😂😂😂😂

U funny bro

Holy

[agile timber]

defensive is making it so the ability can't happen in the first place,

we have to have clear defined boundaries in games like these

Let's make up a defensive ability real quick

[lethal tendon]

dsigns is just uhh, not like the rest of us

just ignore him

[near talon]

I made a suggestion about lock got 220 fire emojis months ago .

majority beats minority

Thank you for your negativity though

[lethal tendon]

you also thought a rework was kuroko getting phantom drive in base

[near talon]

Huh

[lethal tendon]

you got 220 🔥 cause everybody knew lock was op

if i make a post saying “nerf ordinary shot” it works also get popular

[near talon]

so why are you saying im not like the rest of us and that's not true I got 220 cause they actually provided actual statements from a good standpoint I didn't just go off defensive I specifically went into detail on how lock ruins gameplay effectively changing offensive movesets and changes how to play the game

and usually it's not even not one

it's more than more than one

and it's other mythics or limiteds or miracles assisting the lock spam making it harder to scror

score*

At a fast pace

like you just cant comprehend

majority beats minority tho

all I have to say

[elfin vault]

It’s not hard to dribble from cybers steal and avoid the on ball variant. As for psychic, just walk backwards when you get reversed and block the shot like you would a pass.
I feel like these aren’t the styles that should be complained about.

[agile timber]

New style: Builder (idk this on the fly)
Move 1: Walled off: prevents someone from moving forward towards your hoop
this is a defensive ability cause it not only prevents the player from moving forward in the first place, but it also prevents the use of some moves: defense
Alt Universe move: Walled off
As soon as the player passes the ball they can no longer move forward: counter/lockdown

[near talon]

that wasn't the first suggestion

[agile timber]

in simple terms:
a lock down is a counter
a defensive is a preventive to an action

[near talon]

that was the 2nd before I accidentally removed the 1st

the 1st had 220

[near talon]

you still missing the point

[lethal tendon]

youre only points were “lock is op, star op, rework giant”

[near talon]

the devs even titled it defensive moveset when lock first got released not saying this going off they words but it is a defensive moveset cause it takes away from a person trying to find an opening to score

[agile timber]

I'm not, you're saying that lock shouldn't prevent passes in the way it does cause it's near uncounterable, I'm saying it should because it's the only thing that it has to itself

[near talon]

search up defensive moveset on Google as a definition than use your own definition of a defensive moveset than go in questions in bbz and ask if a lock is a defensive moveset than compare all 3 you'll see what I am saying

[agile timber]

the devs don't define what a moveset is or is not in a categorey, comparison towards other movesets do

I can easily say that all styles in this game are either defense or offense

which is inherently wrong

[near talon]

Most of a mixture of both

but lock is the problem

why you keep defending lock if they are other styles they have defensive or lockdown movesets that can counter shots you can even say passes but they are far more balanced

[agile timber]

because you were arguing about lock

[agile timber]

it's not a defensive moveset, it's a lockdown moveset, it doesn't prevent a play from being able to start, it interrupted the play

[near talon]

Proving my point again

at the end of the day

opinions vary

I respect your opinion

but I'm gonna keep the truth alive inside of a world of deception and stand on what I believe when it's right

[agile timber]

You aren't a martyr

you're just wrong

[near talon]

Emperor reach needs a nerf too badly I don't know why kids are spamming it freely

[agile timber]

it has a visual queue dude

[near talon]

already bad enough perfection is goaltending

[lethal tendon]

intercepting passes is stealing

hands up is a block

[near talon]

before it didn't have that

kids are spamming emperor reach more often now

[agile timber]

why does that matter

again

[near talon]

because they can spam freely and pass to other styles assisting them

[agile timber]

they use emperor move -> they are near me when I'm about to shoot (is their eye glowing), if yes = just fake the shot and wait 3 seconds, if no = shoot

[near talon]

emperor was balanced when it first came out you could only use it on shots it was hard to time it on passes

now kids can just spam and look at the ball visual and get it

if you can't see that I can say it's an opinion god given right but your killing off actual quality making the game fun and balanced for others

[lethal tendon]

bro ignoring my points 💔

[agile timber]

it was balanced cause people didn't know how to use it 💔

[near talon]

I literally used emperor reach it got bugged or buffed cause it wasn't doing this like it did before

[agile timber]

what style do you main currently then

[near talon]

Read this

And I want you to say some

Cause 5+ people agreed with me on this

in bbz pro servers

[agile timber]

1. you got better at using it
2. it has not gotten a buff since release

[near talon]

look at the suggestions on emperor being bugged than

[agile timber]

then it was bugged then they fixed it, what's your point

[agile timber]

Again, what style do you even main

[near talon]

than it's bugged cause 3 emperor used emperor reach without passing or shooting

it's happened in ranked too

I've played 20+ matches

It's going around as it's bugged

People are spamming freely

I know I'm not tripping either

[agile timber]

what style do you main dude

[near talon]

like limited mythic or any style

I'll just tell you

I main giant switcher copycat tatlis those 4 I use giant and tatlis the most cause I know how to use them and you can say star too and flash from time to time

giant and tatlis are the most tho

[agile timber]

cause it has a 55 second cd, meaning that you'll get around 15ish uses of it per match

[near talon]

how many points you have in bbz?

I'm curious

[agile timber]

2300 smth

[near talon]

this explains everything

I mean everything

[agile timber]

what was your highest rank

[near talon]

champ

champ and diamond

[agile timber]

nvm 3341

[near talon]

like I know stats don't define IQ or skill but I have more points than you far by more and I believe from my standpoint before these styles came out when bbz was balanced I could see everything being balanced and in order I believe you coming to this game you feel like it's not a problem cause you didn't see a shift like I did

please read and don't counter

[agile timber]

but either way, amount of time spent does not equal the amount of balancing

You are acting like you were a day one to this game

[near talon]

ive played on the 2nd week on release

🫤

[agile timber]

day one

[near talon]

u day one?

[agile timber]

yes

[near talon]

with 3k points?

[agile timber]

yeah

I take breaks like a normal person

[near talon]

and your level 5 in this discord

[agile timber]

I literally just joined dawg

gotten 8 levels in the span of 2 hours also

[near talon]

game been out for months and months and you happened to get 3k points and I nearly have 3x more than you I've been playing 2nd week on release

that's not a break

u just barley play bbz

I mean barely

[agile timber]

1.5 on month off

[near talon]

Cap

How?

[agile timber]

wdym how?

[near talon]

with 3k points?

1 month off the game?

actually I believe you

never mind

[agile timber]

1.5 weeks then a month off, games been out for 7 months, that's about 8 weeks of playtime

[near talon]

Because what you are saying on certain styles I can see why you were wrong you haven't played the game like I have to really experience and get to know it like I have again stats don't define skill yes but I actually take time to study the game I've actually played against people at a high level and competed at a high level I understand the fundamentals about the game

no wonder why you wrong

[agile timber]

"take time to study the game" when you use an outdated wiki instead of using the style yourself

[near talon]

I don't use lock to understand the full cd

I don't like lock cause it only has one good move that's on defense

[agile timber]

you were off by 30 seconds

that's the difference between 12ish uses in a match and 20

[agile timber]

okay then why are you trying to nerf it?

if it's it's only good move then why take it away?

[near talon]

won't matter give it 2-3 weeks more people are gonna complain about lock since lock had a buff it's been getting numerous of complaints

[near talon]

To replace a another move

that's why I made in my suggestion not nerf lock

I said lock re work