Overall Balancing Talk

[amber zenith]

Nerf Lazy Worker 2v2 trap you cant score if they camp hoop PLEASE nerf trap

[pallid comet]

I feel like trap in of itself is a flawed ability. Anything like it is gonna be abused to highest degree. I think our only fix for trap is to remove it, honestly.

[amber zenith]

yea def maybe like a rework

would make it more balanced

[pallid comet]

Not even a rework, just flat out starting from scratch on the second move.

[amber zenith]

yea sounds like a great idea

[terse knoll]

Nah trap is OP it can stay

[pallid comet]

Let's be honest though doubt they'll listen 🤷‍♂️

[terse knoll]

I know one of them will listen

[pallid comet]

That's exactly why we're upset.

[terse knoll]

He can literally stop passes and score with trap

😭

[amber zenith]

ima find you if you say some bs like that again

[terse knoll]

Im homeless 😈

[pallid comet]

Trap as an ability is inherently flawed. A move completely replacing trap would be the best move for chrollo if he wants to keep a playerbase.

[amber zenith]

ill find the street you live on

[terse knoll]

.

Maybe they can change trap into like a defense move

[amber zenith]

good idea

like you trap it and pass to your tm8

instead of scoring

[terse knoll]

Yh

[pallid comet]

Maybe something like blink that if they shoot they knock the ball away to the other side?

[prime wagon]

make it blockable

[terse knoll]

Yh

[amber zenith]

yea fair

[prime wagon]

that move is buns

[terse knoll]

It’s better than having trap

😔

[amber zenith]

i want trap to be USELESS

[prime wagon]

just make trap blockable like someones going for a layup

[terse knoll]

it’s unpredictable

[amber zenith]

yea

[pallid comet]

It'd still be flawed, being able to completely deny being able to play the game normally without getting punished is by itself something stupid.

[amber zenith]

and im not onboard with the whole you can trap and score if someone even thinks about passing the ball

[pallid comet]

Thing is it would launch it to the other side knocking away nearby opponents

[prime wagon]

also shouldnt be able to trap passes

but like

then the move is cheeks

[pallid comet]

If it relies on one thing to be good, the moves design was stupid anyways.

[amber zenith]

and you can just deny scoring with the ability all together

[pallid comet]

Catch me is a perfect move in my opinion, a good offensive move that can still be punished. Where they fumbled badly was trap.

[prime wagon]

catch me is buns

[amber zenith]

catch me is fair

you can block it about 85% of the time

but sometimes it bugs

[pallid comet]

It's fair, it gives time to react while still being fast enough to catch people off guard

[amber zenith]

I honestly think just replacing the ability would be great

[light mirage]

yup

on god usless devs even my 9 year old brother could do better

[prime wagon]

do not give him a dribble

[amber zenith]

eh

he could be fine having a dribble and shoot type character

[light mirage]

his shot is already criminal because i walk threw him just take the damn thing out

[amber zenith]

better than what he is now

[cloud palm]

Thats exactly why it needs a nerf

[prime wagon]

dribble is just boring

besides hes an attacker

like

who needs distance

just brute force it

i want a style like that

just constant giant charges

[amber zenith]

I just want him gone like what is nagi doing in BASKETBALL

[pallid comet]

Honestly having a defensive move instead of trap would have been better for the balance of the character. Adding a global cooldown would probably be necessary with all the current lazy worker users though.

[prime wagon]

plz no

defense is so meta rn

[amber zenith]

this boi has some good ideas

[prime wagon]

lock needs to get in the bin

[amber zenith]

let him cook

[pallid comet]

I look at things how I feel they should be changed. Balance over anything 🫡

[amber zenith]

real

[pallid comet]

It's why I've loved pre buff lock and Chuck for as long as I have

[light mirage]

they need to add a toji style or atleast a jjk style but i would go for toji and fix todo switch

[amber zenith]

like i think his whole character is cool with the ult and effects he just needs a nerf for balacning reasons

especially in ranked

todo switch is a little buggy imo

[light mirage]

if there not gonna take out trap atleast make the ability 2 minutes so it can be used 2 too 3 times in 2v2 and 3v3

[pallid comet]

He's effectively a megaknight style character. Busted down low, but just freakishly annoying higher up.

[amber zenith]

a move with a cooldown like that would make the character unusable

[light mirage]

yup

[amber zenith]

THATS WHAT WE WANT

!!!

[amber zenith]

WE NEED THE LONGEST COOLDOWN POSSIBLE ON THAT CHARACTER

[light mirage]

can some one tell me how to use tatlis because that style is ahh

[pallid comet]

Let's be honest tatlis is a flawed style.

Anything based off stuns is stupid.

[amber zenith]

yea

i hope they add a David Martinez style

that would be cool

[light mirage]

lets be honest that style is bad my chat got banned for 2 minutes because i said the A word

instead of bad

[pallid comet]

Look, I can forgive chrollo's style being broken because it could be fixed (which for the most part it has), tatlis as a concept is just unforgiving to any level of play which is honestly not a good thing.

[light mirage]

yup

i got chrollo

and tatlis got both of the devs

[pallid comet]

I had chrollo but spun it off, it was the most boring style for me 💀

[amber zenith]

i mean chrollo is just better like i feel bad for the people who got tatlis

[light mirage]

witch ever one made the trap move should never cook with anything related to that style again who can agree wit me am i wrong? dang chrollo is good in 2v2

[pallid comet]

Like genuinely I cannot stand chrollo as a style to play.

[light mirage]

facts chrollo should have made his style that style is buns compared to chrollo he is only good in ult without it he is mid

and WHEEE i can kinda agree

but i like chrollo

[amber zenith]

we went from nagi to chrollo and tatlis T_T

[prime wagon]

tatlis's ult is ridiculous

but his base has counterplay

[light mirage]

other way around we went to chrollo and tatlis to nagi

[light mirage]

what do you mean?

[prime wagon]

release tatlis was wayyy better

[light mirage]

yup

[prime wagon]

base tatlis moves have counters

[light mirage]

yup

[prime wagon]

snap does now anyway

colored strike you could always bait out with a pump

[pallid comet]

The entire annoyance of tatlis is that neither of his moves have a weakness. Yes they're counterable, but that doesn't mean they work as moves.

[light mirage]

true

[amber zenith]

idk overall i could jsut make this post called "balancing talk"

[prime wagon]

well colored strike when missed puts you out of the game for quite a bit

and snap leaves you vulnerable as if youve wasted dribbles

[light mirage]

me and idk is about to go play 2v2 so cya guys talk later we will come back atleast every round

[prime wagon]

colored strike is so long and so slow

if you dont hit the first dash your screwed

[light mirage]

i like when chrollo style was called chaos instead of his user and brook you right

[amber zenith]

Overall Balancing Talk

[pallid comet]

While that's true, most of the time a decent player isn't gonna miss colored strike. And snap still makes people slip if they happen to get near it.

[prime wagon]

makes person slip but both those moves are pretty easy to see coming if you know theyre a tat

[pallid comet]

Which is exactly the problem.

[prime wagon]

infuriating when the one teamate continues to back dribble into a tatlis off the first pass

[amber zenith]

what do yall think about getting to store your limiteds?

though

instead of them taking a slot

[prime wagon]

makes them less valuable

but its good

[pallid comet]

if you know they're a tatlis; that's the problem here. if you know.

[prime wagon]

wouldnt want to force people to spend robux to get slots to try a new character

[arctic helm]

so can fetch

and giant

[prime wagon]

why is that a problem

[arctic helm]

and star

[prime wagon]

fetch rarely stops passes

[terse knoll]

lol

[prime wagon]

but its really funny when you do grab the first one

[arctic helm]

it only can stop long passes

[terse knoll]

He only rolls with the ball

[prime wagon]

fetch is so fun

das my main 💯

[arctic helm]

he rolls and if you jump its further distance]

[terse knoll]

…

[prime wagon]

also grabs airborne balls

never roll if the ball is bouncing

always jump first

[arctic helm]

I main jp and fetch, the 2 most balanced and hardest characters

[terse knoll]

I know

[prime wagon]

fetch has to be the best example of a style in its rarity

[pallid comet]

Because that means early game it's incredibly scary to play offence if none of the opponent's styles are revealed yet. And even one free shot/steal can spell trouble.

[arctic helm]

roll if ball is bouncing low with animal 👍

[prime wagon]

i think thats a good thing

think of it as learning your opponents cards

and adapting to it

its literally clash royale

they have this so you do this instead

[arctic helm]

he's not wrong though

some styles than needs a balance change

are

[terse knoll]

Fetch should have a third move

[prime wagon]

fetch is perfect

[pallid comet]

Having to play around something entirely because it exists is not a good thing in this game because most people aren't built to adapt on sight.

[prime wagon]

fetch is an epic

[arctic helm]

EMP, cell, gold, tatlis, chrollo, lazy worker, etc

I could go on and on

[prime wagon]

idk mayne adapting is a skill and this game should be skill based

[terse knoll]

Fetch could have..

[arctic helm]

remove cell

[terse knoll]

THEY CHOULD ADD AWAKENED STYLES

[prime wagon]

no

cell is not that good

[arctic helm]

fetch and jp

[arctic helm]

it is

[terse knoll]

Like better versions of the normal styles

[rich stirrup]

I think emp reach should get a “buff” or maybe a “fix”. It’s quite inconsistent, and sometimes just doesn’t work

[arctic helm]

anything better than jp is considered op

[prime wagon]

if opponent has cell wait at half court when ur teamate goes to shoot

[terse knoll]

Jackpot?

[arctic helm]

and anything worse than giant is considered under balanced

[rich stirrup]

Ion really agree tbh

[light mirage]

we just lost

[arctic helm]

why?

[terse knoll]

.

[light mirage]

2 aces then 2 nagi

unfair as hel

[amber zenith]

lets talk abt ace for a min

[pallid comet]

If even one person doesn't see the tatlis that means huge problems because they can always strike a second time. Something built around playing around it smart when a toddler could use it and succeed isn't healthy.

[terse knoll]

What is your name vro 💀💀

[light mirage]

cya gain

[arctic helm]

who

[terse knoll]

HIM

[light mirage]

idk

they let me

[terse knoll]

Ah.

[arctic helm]

he's gonna have to change it

[light mirage]

nope

[arctic helm]

yes

[rich stirrup]

Well, I feel like sniper is significantly worse than Giant, but sniper is still balanced while Emp is “better” than jackpot but is significantly under balanced for its ranking of “miracle”

[arctic helm]

sniper isnt balanced

he sucks

[terse knoll]

NIH UH

[rich stirrup]

🧙🏿‍♂️ ion really agree tbh

[terse knoll]

HES GOATED

[rich stirrup]

Sniper lowkey is goated

[arctic helm]

also ranking doesnt define it being op

[terse knoll]

3 pointer god

[arctic helm]

thats you but he needs rework

[pallid comet]

Quick release is a lot harder to react to and block now, and an unchecked sniper can completely flip a game on its head

[arctic helm]

hes due for one

[arctic helm]

until they get marked

also

[amber zenith]

just lost to 2 nagis again

[light mirage]

yup

[amber zenith]

[arctic helm]

thats in pubs

[rich stirrup]

That should kinda define it, the less likely to get something should equate it to it being “better” than the previous ranks or the ranks kinda mean nothing

[rich stirrup]

Other than rarity

[arctic helm]

pubs players are worse than people who actually knows how to play the game

like comp

[rich stirrup]

I feel like it actually is pretty balanced 🧙🏿‍♂️

[arctic helm]

No it doesnt, or in that case fetch needs a nerf

[rich stirrup]

[rich stirrup]

Like I said “it should”

That’s the should part

Fetch also is pretty balanced tbh for its ranking, I feel like it could lowkey get a buff

[terse knoll]

ℛ𝒶𝓌𝓇

[pallid comet]

NO. Ranking should assess how unique the style is, not how strong it is.

[arctic helm]

make it easier to dive passes especially short passes

[pallid comet]

How did you get that font?

[arctic helm]

https://lingojam.com/DiscordFonts

[rich stirrup]

That makes some sense, I can agree somewhat, but also that would equate to a rare style being as equally strong as a miracle which would make no sense. The point of a ranking should equate to how unique a style is but should also be how versatile/strong one is in a certain position

[pallid comet]

Interesting

[arctic helm]

and for me, I just looked up 1 cbc pixel

[rich stirrup]

I agree, tbh fetch could lowkey use a buff 🧙🏿‍♂️

[arctic helm]

𝔥𝔦

[terse knoll]

𝒲𝒹𝓎𝓂

𝒩ℴ 𝒾 𝒹𝒾𝒹𝓃'𝓉 𝓊𝓈ℯ 𝓉𝒽𝒶𝓉

𝒾 𝒽𝒶𝓋ℯ 𝒶 𝒶𝓅𝓅

[arctic helm]

so do I on my phone

[pallid comet]

Look, a rare style being as strong as a miracle, but needing more skill to use it well would be fantastic. That way miracles still have their place, but rares have their own place as well.

[terse knoll]

It’s called fonts art

😔

[rich stirrup]

If it needs to necessarily have more skill that means it would be harder to use therefore being less “strong” in the sense of mechanical use.

[arctic helm]

I just got a app to change my keyboard on my phone

[terse knoll]

Oh

[pallid comet]

That's what I mean. Having something built around that kind of balancing rather than Rarity completely dictating how good the style is in general is healthier for the game. And it promotes more creativity with style choice which is always a good thing

[arctic helm]

𝐿𝒾𝓀𝑒 ᵗʰᶦˢ ɿઽ ᖇᗩᑎᗪOᗰ 𝓸𝓷 𝓉𝒽𝑒𝓇𝑒

𝔸𝕟𝕕 𝕥𝕙𝕚𝕤 𝕚𝕤 𝕡𝕣𝕖𝕞𝕚𝕦𝕞 𝕗𝕠𝕟𝕥

[rich stirrup]

So while you’re right that it needs more “skill”, that would in the context means it’s weaker. Sniper is balanced but requires good positioning, good timing, has no mobility, forces you to stay still while shooting its half court shot, and is quite react-able vs Emp having a movement ability that stuns you which makes it easier to get from one position to the other and score, a pass that can’t really be blocked consistently unless a move is used, doesn’t really require too much “iq” to use, etc. Skill dependency is still equating to strength in this given context

I agree with you

[pallid comet]

This is what I mean. Miracles/high rarity styles being more generically strong, but lower rarities being more mechanically strong.

Pre buff clutch was the perfect example of my reasoning.

Strong in good hands, not super hard to get a grasp on, but skill based to get the real hang of it.

You could kind of count Chuck, but it's more rng based so I'm gonna put it to the side for now.

[light mirage]

they need to fix there trash game i scored in 2v2 and they get the ball

like wth

fix this trash glitch