Phantom Rework.

[pine widget]

if they make phantom a legendary it should definitely be like this

[slender stag]

I was trying to think of ways to keep it in epic, we need more epic and rare styles to be honest.

[pine widget]

yeah

[formal dock]

So uh

Where the move where we turn invis

And auto pass

Aka redirection

[slender stag]

I tried to make him more offensive, redirection doesn’t exist, atleast not anymore. Ignite pass can be used for the chemical reaction if that’s what you are worried about.

[solemn cypress]

phantom doesnt need a rework imo, just better visuals

[formal dock]

💀

Man that ain't a phantom

It's just a regular passing style

[slender stag]

Did you even read the whole thing? He has a shot move and a dribble move, he goes invisible in his dribble move. One of everything.

[formal dock]

But you took out kuroko one important feature

The reason the dribble even exists is with the misdirection

If we want to stick to knb

If not then sure

[slender stag]

His phantom move is terrible. He can’t steal the ball, he can only block, and you can’t deactivate it when you want.

[spare nexus]

just got on let me see 😋

[formal dock]

And what are these suggestions called?

A dam rework

[slender stag]

I reworked it into his dribble move bro, the way you say these things are making it seem like you didn’t even read.

[formal dock]

Dude you can change how the invis works

[formal dock]

No I did reaf

Read

But the misdirection is an important part of Kuroko

Phantom is based on Kuroko

Make zero sense to not include it

[mellow abyss]

This is kinda

[formal dock]

And your reason is because the invis is bad?

[mellow abyss]

well

[formal dock]

It a rework

You can change it

[mellow abyss]

boring

[formal dock]

Dude istg if I have another person calling me stupid

For no dam reason

[solemn cypress]

Honestly, I change my opinion, Phantom DOES need a rework right now. Phantom it´s an entirely pass based style, and to play Phantom at its peak, you need to connect with your teammates, which is impossible in BBZ, so just make it completely different.

[formal dock]

I will crash out

[slender stag]

Yes, I know that. But I don’t understand what you’re saying about misdirection.

[slender stag]

Im not calling you stupid.

[formal dock]

Misdirection is the most important part of Kuroko

[spare nexus]

😣

[formal dock]

Phantom is base on Kuroko

[formal dock]

You don't need a "teammates" to pull off phantom pass

Taking it away

Does not make sense

[solemn cypress]

dang

[mellow abyss]

this doesn't feel like you're playing as kuroko... it feels like a generic drive + shoot move style

[slender stag]

Misdirection isn’t even a move anymore, they reworked it into his bullet pass I’m pretty sure.

[formal dock]

Yea exactly

[formal dock]

No

[solemn cypress]

my brain so tiny i didnt think bout this, being that its something that i would do

[spare nexus]

WOAH WOAH 😭

[formal dock]

It in the invis move

[mellow abyss]

???

[formal dock]

Misdirection is where you make someone cannot see you

That is literally the invis move

[solemn cypress]

if you get the ball while being invisible you misdirect it

[formal dock]

💀

[formal dock]

Redirect

[solemn cypress]

o

[mellow abyss]

@slender stag can you change the moves

[formal dock]

Uh did I read the wrong manga or what

Misdirection is when we make someone not being able to see you

[solemn cypress]

and thats basically kurokos core move

[formal dock]

Exactly

Taking it out

[formal dock]

Makes it not a phantom styles

[mellow abyss]

yes

[spare nexus]

yes that's it

[mellow abyss]

that's what kuroko does

[formal dock]

Ok do you know why people can't see Kuroko

He tricks the opp eyes

And turn himself "invis"

[spare nexus]

that's still Shaoof's message, to redirect someone's attention to another place

[mellow abyss]

low presence + rarely has ball because it has the most presence = people can't see him

[solemn cypress]

he just draws his opponents attention away from him

[formal dock]

And does phantom have a invis move? Yes he does

[mellow abyss]

And this rework here

[formal dock]

Yea

[mellow abyss]

Has his advanced misdirection move

But not his core one

[formal dock]

Exactly

Also invis move is the reason why phantom is fun

It the concepts

[solemn cypress]

indeed

[formal dock]

We can do so much with it

[slender stag]

This isn’t him when he’s reliant on being a phantom, it’s him after learning to dribble and shoot.

[mellow abyss]

#1390166486857023600

[formal dock]

Uh

He still is being reliant

[formal dock]

He has to use misdirection

[spare nexus]

you go shaoof

[formal dock]

To even do phantom shoot

[spare nexus]

🎉

[formal dock]

Or the dribble

So taking out misdirection

Wouldn't even make sense

When he can use phantom shoot or dribble

[slender stag]

Whatever bro, I’m done arguing.

[solemn cypress]

btw

[mellow abyss]

ty

[formal dock]

Breh

[solemn cypress]

how does misdirection overflow work

[formal dock]

Basically

Since everyone

Is aware

That Kuroko can just disappear

They would try and focus on him

And when they do that

They don't focus on his teammates

[mellow abyss]

pretty sure kuroko pops into his opponent's vision to take away the image of an approaching teammate

[formal dock]

So yea his teammates turn invis but Kuroko is getting their attention

[solemn cypress]

oh

[mellow abyss]

Lol

The suggestion was deleted

[formal dock]

Lmao

[solemn cypress]

but does phantom really need a rework?

[slender stag]

Since you wanna argue so badly. I’ll change it.

[spare nexus]

buff

buff/rework

or

[mellow abyss]

imo yes

[solemn cypress]

i main Phantom and Dime, and its honestly not bad right now