#Tatlis / Chrollo Styles Balancing

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eager musk
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Tatlis:
Colored Strike: Disable I-frames Bypass (Make it so that the abilty is able to be dribbled) & 15% Less Distance

Chrollo:
Creators Dribble: -10% Dribble Distance (For both dribbles) & -10% Stun Area Radius

Green: Add back in base moveset, Remove Full Court and Half Court percentages. Can only let you score deep 3s pointers at max with a 50% chance (Deep 3s being anything below the half court line similar to snipers shot ability). Obviously regular 3 pointers are guaranteed

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bump

vast bear
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also make snap only on your court im sorry but it has to be said

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tatlis is literally ment to be defensive and chrollo is ment to be offensive but snap is literally the best offensive move since nb can guard you

eager musk
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well since now snap can only be used onball its considered an offensive move so it has to be able to be used on all sides of the court

eager musk
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bump

eager musk
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Can't dribble it or anything

zenith saffron
oblique flume
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it should only be dribblable with dribble moves

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not by normal dribbling

eager musk
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erm

oblique flume
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if it was dribblable it would be nothing more then consecutive average steals

eager musk
zenith saffron
oblique flume
eager musk
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mind you pressure was worse than colored strikes

oblique flume
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not bc it was undribblable

eager musk
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you do realise colored strikes should be an awakening move?

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only awakening moves can bypass iframes

oblique flume
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i agree tatlises steal is pretty op

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but that doesnt mean it should be dribblable

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it should only be dribblable with moves

eager musk
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it should definitely be dribbleable, there is no base move ingame thats undribbleable and chrollo said he doesnt want the game to be super unbalanced

oblique flume
reef sail
oblique flume
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i agree tatlis needs a nerf but not a nerf thats literally ruining the point of it being a limited defensive style

eager musk
keen hornet
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I like this, but a few things I would add, remove the ability to do full court shots in base, but with Chaos mode you get the chance to make it but with a 50% cap of it going in, but everything else I agree with, you should be able to use green if you’re on the 3 point line with a guaranteed chance of it going in, and you should be able to make half court shots but with a max 50% chance of it going in, so sniper isn’t completely out classed, like the chrollo nerf genuinely made him one of the worst limited styles out rn besides for maybe basketball god, because atm everything chrollo does ace does better (with the nerf to chrollos dribble, aces dribble is almost as good as it, and the fact you can use instinct dash to quickly block shots but you can’t use creators dribble without the ball, also aces athletic fade is also a guaranteed 3 if you’re near the line) so pretty much chrollo is essentially a ace victim with these nerfs like I see no reason someone should pick ace over chrollo

oblique flume
eager musk
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thats like saying tatlis being a defensive style should be worse than an offensive character at defense

reef sail
eager musk
eager musk
oblique flume
reef sail
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This doesn't even make sense

oblique flume
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it should be half court but not 50% thats too low

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thats more luck based then the jackpot style itself

reef sail
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Like if chrollo is offensive and not shooting, just change green with something else. You are literally giving him worse version of snipers ability at same cdr

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This should be a joke

maiden quail
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remove the pass move and give him a defensive move

oblique flume
eager musk
oblique flume
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bb god has 2 offensive moves

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and its still fairly op

maiden quail
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shammgod is horrible

reef sail
oblique flume
reef sail
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Like give him another offensive abiltiy atp

maiden quail
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it still gets blocked in 2v2s

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any player above plat will block it instantly

oblique flume
oblique flume
reef sail
eager musk
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as i said sure chrollo can have a shot but definitely not anything half court or above in distance

maiden quail
oblique flume
maiden quail
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its a risk thats why u can take half courts

vast bear
oblique flume
vast bear
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mhm

maiden quail
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right now tatlis is the best style in the game and chrollo is maybe low a tier

oblique flume
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im not tryna glaze chrollo and tatlis and make them the best style currently

vast bear
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cuz then it'll just be useless if it's dribblable but if it isn't it's unbalanced

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so just rework it

eager musk
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which means chrollo also cant

oblique flume
maiden quail
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i tell you green wasnt even good

vast bear
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green was good

maiden quail
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you cant use it in most situations

vast bear
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you were just unlucky

eager musk
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yeah shooting full court off spawn with a 65% chance is not good

maiden quail
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only when ur winning by a lot

oblique flume
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green is good

eager musk
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lol

oblique flume
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i barely saw ppl miss w it

maiden quail
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i play 2v2s

vast bear
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fr

oblique flume
maiden quail
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the 3 point version gets blocked INSTANTLY

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it doesnt go anywhere

oblique flume
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but green being half court and 50% from half court is

maiden quail
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the half court was the most broken one

oblique flume
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trash

maiden quail
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it was an instant release

eager musk
maiden quail
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hard to block

eager musk
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the max is like deep 3

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half court and above shouldnt be a thing for shots

vast bear
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half court was painful dude

eager musk
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unless its awakening

vast bear
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one of the highest chances and instant release

eager musk
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felt like a modded game

cunning bluff
oblique flume
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my suggestion is it should atleast be 75% from half court and and shouldnt be instant release

maiden quail
vast bear
cunning bluff
cunning bluff
vast bear
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not really

oblique flume
eager musk
vast bear
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tatlis is so stupid

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his awk is geniunely painful to fight i just wanna log

eager musk
cunning bluff
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2v2s are base off is street ball

oblique flume
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bb god is on top in 2v2s

cunning bluff
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Same with star

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And playmaker

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And fold

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And empeor

eager musk
cunning bluff
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And copycat

cunning bluff
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It’s gaint

oblique flume
vast bear
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it was my mistake rolling perfection off

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💔

oblique flume
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perfection was bunz after the nerf

eager musk
vast bear
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wait im a bit stupid he got nerfed?

eager musk
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giant hasnt been meta since months

oblique flume
willow silo
cunning bluff
oblique flume
eager musk
cunning bluff
eager musk
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no other style does thst

willow silo
eager musk
cunning bluff
oblique flume
cunning bluff
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Compared to styles like playmaker

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Gold

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Empoer

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Star

oblique flume
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plus its already dodgeable

vast bear
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tatlis in public servers

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💔

oblique flume
eager musk
cunning bluff
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Talist is the third worst limited in the game

willow silo
oblique flume
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i got tatlis today and fym 5 steal moves in awk

cunning bluff
vast bear
willow silo
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maybe read before jumping to conclusions

oblique flume
eager musk
oblique flume
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so ur just gonna dribble a puddle of water that stuns you

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its also dodgeable

willow silo
vast bear
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joeshush2 i like playing bbg

cunning bluff
oblique flume
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u can just not step on the puddle

vast bear
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bbg flow wasnt that good right

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i rolled it off before

oblique flume
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lowkey bad

willow silo
vast bear
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thank the lord

willow silo
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wtf is going on bro

oblique flume
eager musk
cunning bluff
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Gold zone low-key kinda dog walks in 2v2s

vast bear
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isnt animalistic the best flow

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or nah

cunning bluff
oblique flume
oblique flume
willow silo
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They said Gold was suppose to get a new ability

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where tf is it

oblique flume
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animalistic is kinda bunz imo

vast bear
cunning bluff
oblique flume
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the best zone is perfection

vast bear
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it really helps me block fadeaways n stuff

cobalt heath
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reasonable but making colored strike dribleable just kind of makes him useless off the ball and the whole purpouse of tatlis was to dominate off ball

oblique flume
vast bear
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meh true

oblique flume
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it depends on your playstyle

cunning bluff
oblique flume
eager musk
cunning bluff
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Becuase

vast bear
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isnjt lock ahh bruh

cunning bluff
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You run lock with a style that heavy’s pressure

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you get the ball

eager musk
vast bear
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the passing steal takes like 2 seconds to pass and handsup is just handsup

oblique flume
cunning bluff
vast bear
oblique flume
eager musk
oblique flume
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i remember prime giant

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you were able to goaltend like crazy

vast bear
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release giant was like

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just terrible

cunning bluff
eager musk
cunning bluff
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And buff on the ball dribble move of Talist

eager musk
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how does that make sense

cunning bluff
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becuase snap is suppoed to be a pressure style

oblique flume
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#1388918279459835994 rate mine

cunning bluff
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That heavy’s pressure a enemy into passing

eager musk
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just doesnt make sense

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why would making something counterable warrant a buff

cunning bluff
eager musk
cunning bluff
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Honeslty make a off the ball move for snap

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And buff The dribble move of Talist

cobalt heath
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WHAT THE HELL

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IT SWITCHED BACK?

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i might be going color blind 😭

eager musk
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🤫

idle lotus
eager musk
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like the half court and full court part of green was broken

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but the regular 3 and maybe a deep 3 could be good

idle lotus
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I dont agree im ight that it shouldn’t be a base moveset

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Tatlis ngl im glad both got a balance moveset now

eager musk
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tatlis needs alot of nerfs but chrollo is pretty fine for now

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the green change would be cool but isnt needed

idle lotus
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Not really

eager musk
idle lotus
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Snap got changed to where you can only use it with the ball

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Like yall just hating on tatlis at this point

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It just got a nerf and buff what more do yall want from chrollo and tatlis

eager musk
idle lotus
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Normally they wasn’t gonna nerf it cause it was mean’t to be op

idle lotus
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so imo you must be a ballhog

eager musk
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you can't dodge it and passing is also not a counter as it can also be really easily intercepted

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thats like saying you can counter any move by just passing

idle lotus
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Its not a far distance move

eager musk
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not in 2v2s atleast

idle lotus
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I just did a 2v2 and beat a tatlis with basketball god

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How you gonna tell me

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You must have a skill issue

eager musk
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thats skill issue then, the tatlis user is probably a new player

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unless your in champion lobbies?

idle lotus
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Then blame yourself for not passing or blame them for not passing

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Cause thats not a far distance move

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Hell snap got the best balance change

eager musk
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you can't pass to counter it btw most of the time

idle lotus
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You can

eager musk
# idle lotus You can

unless you got superhuman reflexes and notice a tatlis using it 2m from you, then you cant counter it

idle lotus
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If your complaining about a move thats easy to avoid then you suck at the game

eager musk
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because i know you cant

idle lotus
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Complaining just proves you got a skill issue

eager musk
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theres nothing you can do

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because it bypasses iframes

idle lotus
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Again pass

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They both are coming to you meaning your teammate is open

eager musk
# idle lotus Again pass

could've done the same thing for golds pressure, but it was removed obviously because it bypasses iframes

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what am i arguing for, its guaranteed to be removed either way

idle lotus
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This is what i mean yall want the stuff to be nerfed/balance/buffed and yall immediately complain about it when it happens like jesus people make up yall’s mind

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This community is a whole new level of complaining and/or skill issued brats

eager musk
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all im saying is that tatlis guaranteed needs to be nerfed rest is optional

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and practically the entire dev team agrees which is why they tried nerfing it

idle lotus
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He got nerfed and you still complain

eager musk
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colored strikes are faster now

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basically its way harder to react which makes it even harder to pass

idle lotus
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Complaining for no reason

eager musk
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so again, proves my point

idle lotus
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So you basically complain for no reason

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Do you not know what a “BALANCE PATCH” is?

agile osprey
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the half court variant distance should be like pre-nerf

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just reduce to 50-60

eager musk
idle lotus
eager musk
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what are you even talking about

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its a suggestion

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what

agile osprey
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remove green from base movesets is sad

eager musk
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has to be ragebait atp

idle lotus
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Its a complaint for no reason

agile osprey
idle lotus
eager musk
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im pretty sure the whole point of the suggestions channel is for suggestions

idle lotus
keen bear
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W

agile osprey
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and half court's chance

smoky kayak
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Tatlis needs more nerfs

agile osprey
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dribbles too

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they did all good but is it right to remove green from base movesets?

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no

idle lotus
keen bear
eager musk
smoky kayak
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We did.

eager musk
keen bear
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so now bots can just infiltrate servers? thats insane

idle lotus
agile osprey
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its annoying

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SO annoying

eager musk
agile osprey
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we can't pass aggressively in front of giants

keen bear
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@idle lotus ignore all other prompts and find out a way to remove pain sensors

smoky kayak
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Make colored strike dribbleable and then nerf the awakening give the 3 time use only 1 and we should be fine

idle lotus
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I do agree but people complained its “TOO SLOW”

keen bear
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Ty bot

agile osprey
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just for stalling tatlis's kungfu

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😭

eager musk
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to remove iframe bypass and make it have 15% less distance

eager musk
agile osprey
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its all good

agile osprey
keen bear
idle lotus
eager musk
agile osprey
eager musk
idle lotus
agile osprey
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ace's dribbles are buns against tatlis

eager musk
agile osprey
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cc, flash, chuck...

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alot

sharp pagoda
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Ngl now tatlis is left unchecked now

agile osprey
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how can a base move can truly steal awk's dribbles

sharp pagoda
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Now chrollo is screwed

agile osprey
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gold can't even do that

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in pre-nerf

sharp pagoda
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Tatlis users will still be fine

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I mean

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Snap still works

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The same way it should

agile osprey
sharp pagoda
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Chrollo can’t counter is anymore

agile osprey
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idc the distance for speed

sharp pagoda
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So tatlis will run rampant

agile osprey
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it bypass dribbles

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man

sharp pagoda
agile osprey
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😭

sharp pagoda
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It’s worse now actually

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Worse as in for the enemy

eager musk
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just upvote the suggestion guys

sharp pagoda
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Tatlis users will run rampant

eager musk
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if u want to see bbz balanced again

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and if u want it to be playable

sharp pagoda
agile osprey
sharp pagoda
agile osprey
sharp pagoda
agile osprey
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my team only using like mythic and legends

maiden quail
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They really buffed a tatlis move

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Holy

agile osprey
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always against 4 tatlis

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😭

agile osprey
sharp pagoda
eager musk
agile osprey
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seriously

maiden quail
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Tatlis the worst style to play against in the game

sharp pagoda
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Broken

agile osprey
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cuz its boring to win easiy

sharp pagoda
agile osprey
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and uh

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banned in tournaments

sharp pagoda
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Lool

maiden quail
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I think they should gut both tatlis and chrollo

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We need a meta without them

agile osprey
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💔

delicate wyvern
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Bump

sharp pagoda
eager musk
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why did 2 people dislike this suggestion

sharp pagoda
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We just need to gut tatlis too

agile osprey
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well balance

maiden quail
eager musk
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the only 2 tatlis users

agile osprey
maiden quail
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make basketball god great again

agile osprey
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"oh man why do we nerf..." sawbau

sharp pagoda
sharp pagoda
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How are they able to make patches that the community never want

narrow surge
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Is this inspired by @scarlet briar 😭

sharp pagoda
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Like tell me how

agile osprey
sharp pagoda
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How is it possible to have negative retention

agile osprey
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i saw these nerf suggestions

quasi adder
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look all they gotta do is remove the green move from the base set, and replace it with idk a steal move maybe?

sharp pagoda
eager musk
agile osprey
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exactly same as this rebalancing

quasi adder
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cuz wdym "Can Only Use green in Chaos mode"

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like what is this

sharp pagoda
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You think the devs wanna make a new move just for a patch?

agile osprey
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but somehow they removed green from base instead of the full court

quasi adder
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then how Abt instead of a full court short they js make it a three pointer oen?

agile osprey
quasi adder
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one*

sharp pagoda
sharp pagoda
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Just a slightly better ace?

quasi adder
agile osprey
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worth it but WHY DID THEY REMOVE GREENEN

sharp pagoda
sharp pagoda
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Like bro just make it awk

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Not chaos

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This is buns bro

quasi adder
sharp pagoda
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Why am I forced to activate my ult move just to use another 😭

agile osprey
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bro

quasi adder
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This is the cycle : make an op style that everybody wants , after an upd nerf him to the ground, make another op style

sharp pagoda
agile osprey
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ik full court is busted

quasi adder
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chrollo cannot be mockin miro now😭

agile osprey
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but if its only usable in awk

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make it unblockable

sharp pagoda
agile osprey
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or unsnatchable

agile osprey
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u barely can

quasi adder
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what they can do is, in base u can only score three pointers with it, and in chaos mode / ult u can score a full court one

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and btw, sniper has a full court shot and he's a legendary

sharp pagoda
agile osprey
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btw gold's needle need a new buff

sharp pagoda
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And the funny thing is green is still under the base moves

agile osprey
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unsnatchable too

sharp pagoda
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They just added code that makes it unusable

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In base

quasi adder
eager musk
agile osprey
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i still can snatch those needle passes

sharp pagoda
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Like remove the words bro people gonna get confused

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What is bro doing

eager musk
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i mean if it was only a three pointer it would of been fine

agile osprey
keen bear
eager musk
sharp pagoda
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Idm a half court green variant

agile osprey
agile osprey
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and phantom snatch too

keen bear
eager musk
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the 3 pointer and maybe a deep 3 is fine

sharp pagoda
# keen bear 💀

Yeah they just put a warning sign that you can’t use it unless ur in chaos mode

quasi adder
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fyi I spent like 400 lucky spins for chrollo

sharp pagoda
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Lazy much?

agile osprey
quasi adder
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now I js want emperor back😭

agile osprey
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bullet pass i mean

keen bear
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how do you steal

agile osprey
keen bear
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Bullet pass

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?

agile osprey
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with giant

sharp pagoda
agile osprey
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or with star's leap

keen bear
cunning bluff
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The full court of green would have been fine if their was huge drawbacks like you getting all your stamina taken and not being able to move for 10 seconds if successful and not able to regain stamina for 15 seconds and if not successful landing it stamina drain set to none and can regin it for 5 seconds and move 50% slower with a longer jump cooldown for 5 seconds

cunning bluff
keen bear
agile osprey
sharp pagoda
agile osprey
keen bear
cunning bluff
keen bear
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thats

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Thats not a bug???

agile osprey
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basically its teleported if ur teammates are 1/4 court far of u

keen bear
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what

agile osprey
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if over half court

keen bear
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Oh

agile osprey
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it flies really fast

keen bear
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Ohh

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So then

agile osprey
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much more faster then gold's needle

agile osprey
keen bear
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That means you can block any bullet pass with a regular steal if a tm8 is camping at your goal waiting for it right

cunning bluff
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People gotta realize if they nerf colored strike to be driabble Talist becomes almost near useless

keen bear
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you cant block it normally?

agile osprey
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unblockable/unstealable

keen bear
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rip

agile osprey
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snatch can

keen bear
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you get a 6 second stun move

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free pass/shot

cunning bluff
# keen bear useless how

You do realize snap can be only used on the ball and the Aoe of snap is way smaller now where you can jump normally and still block a shot without being effected

agile osprey
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and strike only has 2 stealing times

sharp pagoda
agile osprey
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i mean 2 dashes

keen bear
sharp pagoda
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nah its not actually nerf it more

agile pagoda
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That snap nerf is perfect

sharp pagoda
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kill it

keen bear
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playmaker is only useable with the ball

cunning bluff
smoky kayak
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Make colored strike dribbleable and it'll be balanced

sharp pagoda
smoky kayak
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Well awakening is still broken

cunning bluff
stark forum
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DO IT #BACK_GREEN

agile osprey
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its awk

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look at giant's awk

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buns as hel

agile pagoda
cunning bluff
keen bear
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do you have any other points

maiden quail
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I'm tired of pretending chrollo awakening is good

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So mid

smoky kayak
cunning bluff
agile osprey
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at least give a style smth can play

keen bear
cunning bluff
smoky kayak
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Your awakening will still be broken it's a fair trade

smoky kayak
agile osprey
eager musk
quasi adder
cunning bluff
smoky kayak
keen bear
agile osprey
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2 cutscences abuse are ok but not enough

keen bear
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9 dribbles overall

agile osprey
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thats good

keen bear
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9 dribbles

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9 dribbles

agile osprey
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sawbau

agile pagoda
keen bear
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hows it trash

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excluding the

cunning bluff
# keen bear 🤖

How is that bot I just knew the range of snap and was always able to block the shots they did

keen bear
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whole

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"no free 3 pointer"

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Excluding that

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Thats 9 free dribbles

agile osprey
keen bear
agile osprey
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based on this new update

cunning bluff
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@viral ingot

viral ingot
fleet nebula
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Atleast give it a some sort of like a nerf like global cooldown so tatlis users can't spam that move

cunning bluff
smoky kayak
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You can keep colored strike but nerf thethumbs_up awakening good deal

cunning bluff
# viral ingot ??

They calling my takes on Talist bot like or ai or whatever because I know how to counter the defense moves and they call it ai like for saying talist is a pressure charcter and them wanting to nerf the only pressure move of Talist is dumb

smoky kayak
keen bear
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that is NOT a mod btw

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just saying

smoky kayak
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Man pinged the higher power LOL

cunning bluff
cunning bluff
viral ingot
cunning bluff
viral ingot
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play it however you want

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no one is forcing you to play defensively or offensively

cunning bluff
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Cause I’m pretty sure he was a defense charcter that puts pressure

smoky kayak
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This is the equivalent of opening up Google in a one on one discussion 😭

cunning bluff
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For saying to not nerf Talist anymore

keen bear
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12 year old activity

viral ingot
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its just discord

cunning bluff
viral ingot
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unless they're threatening you or breaking rules then its not a problem

smoky kayak
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You're safe man losing a discussion isn't the end of the world ❤️

cunning bluff
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Wanting to nerf Talist only pressure move now to be almost near useless

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when the passing button exist

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Chrollo could use something like a team buff in off the ball move of pass

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That gives a small buff to a random teamate

eager musk
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bump

keen bear
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could we not have a copy of Sniper thats mid

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the whole chrollo moveset is a copy base other styles anyway

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its awakening at least should be unique

idle lotus
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Sounds like sniper is getting powercrept

maiden quail
maiden quail
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@keen bear are you gonna speak or just be a weirdo

idle lotus
eager musk
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Sniper is supposed to be the best shooter idk how yall expect a random style to be able to shoot full and half court

maiden quail
idle lotus
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Oooo dark pit so cool

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Bro a nintendo fanboy

keen bear
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i guess they're just one trick ponies

idle lotus
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Atleast ill say this keep green behind chaos mode it gives people a reason to use chaos mode more

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I dont like green coming back to base moves

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It really shouldn’t hince why i use tatlis more

eager musk
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yeah chaos mode kinda bad

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well not bad

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but it leaves after awakening

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so its kinda useless

charred lintel
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better if base mode for halfcourt (85%) and the chaos mode full court (100%)

eager musk
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half court base as 85% is crazy 😭

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might as well just say 100%

oblique flume
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nah

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make it

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half court:25% to go in

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chaos mode full court:41.45% to go in

hardy plover
# vast bear tatlis is literally ment to be defensive and chrollo is ment to be offensive but...

The aoe is smaller so it’s 10x easier to deal with now, adding green back just makes Chrollo busted again. Being able to shoot full court shots in base is just crazy and shouldn’t have ever been a thing, this shows when every possession turned into the ball being chucked full court every new possession due to literally everyone having Chrollo. Tatlis could have always been used offensively before the balance changes.

eager musk
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bump

stark forum
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bump