giant is awful and is far outshined by almost every style now. Starting off, ive been maining giant ever since 2k points, so ive gotten 10k points with giant alone and he was great. Was giant insanley good at one point? Yes, was he ever OP? Absolutely not. You need to bring the idea of giant being a trump card back. Giant used to be bad but still viable due to his ability to stop the best styles in the game, like perfect when it came out had 0 counters besides giant. And for some reason you believed it’d be a great idea to nerf him during that time by disabling his ability to “double block” (for anybody that doesnt know double blocking is when you used giants snatch to gain distance then immediently blocking after which allowed him to be insanely defensive against perf. But now, not only has that been taken away, but its near immpossible to hit a shot snatch now. (For anyone who doesnt know a shot snatch is when you shoot the ball then immediently snatch to jump over all defenders.) and ill tell you why this all matters. Giant is SIGNIFICANTLY outshined to emp and is almost useless in todays meta. Not to mention one of his abilities (post form) is utterly useless in regular games due to basketball god and many more better 2pt abilities, not to mention jackpot can now steal from giant while in post form, giant is only even SOMEWHAT viable in comp, but even then hes practically useless. Emp gets a 100% guarntee possesion for every pass/shot, giant on the other hand you can snatch and the ball will still to this day go right through you. Im begging you to fix giant. his snatch cant even reach new styles like the updated ace, hes useless. Not only is he not offensively viable even remotely, but his defense, which keep in mind is what makes him good is also awful, and dont even get me started in how bad his shove is when we got people like ace traveling an entire half of the court like its nothing 💀💀#WEWANTOGGIANT dont even buff him, jus un-nerf him
#Revert Giant
pine iron
fringe dragon
@fallen walrus
this posr
is so bad
LMAOOO
the classic disregard how good my style is and use broken busted styles as a baseline
never gets old
lapis canopy
holy yap
fallen walrus
the classic disregard how good my style is and use broken busted styles as a bas...
Its always the emp effect man
I cant stress it enough how not nerfing emp is making the game bad
fallen walrus
never gets old
Also isnt star leap also affected by the no skills after a block?
fringe dragon
we got a whole dude wanting to buff a top 5 style because he saw that emperor and ace are better
fallen walrus
So it wasnt just a nerf to giant specifically
fringe dragon
Also isnt star leap also affected by the no skills after a block?
yeah
every defense move did
pressure def as well
fallen walrus
It was for all defensive abilities aside emp and jackpot steal
fringe dragon
yeah
fringe dragon
cant wait for
fallen walrus
Also does he keep removing you from this thread or is it just me
fallen walrus
He probably doesnt know about the reverse double block method
Use snatch then jump after
fringe dragon
if a dude with 10k points doesnt know that we might be doomed
fallen walrus
Honestly 10k points used to be threatening to me
After reaching champ and being on the leaderboard, you get faced with people more than that anyways
Even after dropping out of ranked leaderboard you still get them often
fallen walrus
Even after dropping out of ranked leaderboard you still get them often
I didnt care about being leaderboard anymore so i started playing solo 2v2
fringe dragon
ive seen people with 5k points not be able to defend without reach
fallen walrus
Big mistake lol
fringe dragon
ite crazy really
fallen walrus
ive seen people with 5k points not be able to defend without reach
Yeah reach is such a braindead move that people rely on it too much'
pine iron
we got a whole dude wanting to buff a top 5 style because he saw that emperor an...
ong ur braindead
def not top 5
ur delusional
fringe dragon
whats your top 5 then
pine iron
perf still has a free 3 and a block
fringe dragon
good one
pine iron
even if its not perf u can replace it with almost any legendary style
pine iron
emp is ong by far the best and its not close
easily the most broken style ever released
fringe dragon
naw im talking about the list as a whole
pine iron
free possesion no matter what, aswell as 2 flash quicksteps
fringe dragon
emp in 1 is obvious
pine iron
not to mention the awaken
everybody does giant better than giant
giant used to be an ultimate trump card to counter anything, now it jus GETS counterd
am i wrong?
pine iron
Use snatch then jump after
that literally was patched tho for giant
fallen walrus
Perf is nowhere near top 5
pine iron
snatching then jumping
pine iron
Perf is nowhere near top 5
in comp it is
fallen walrus
2v2 or 3v3?
fallen walrus
Whats your rank
pine iron
havent been on since emp was added so idk if it got recent but i was the one above plat i think
fallen walrus
💀
pine iron
yall are hatin but im not wrong? giant used to be used to counter
now it jus GETS counterd
faint flicker
by what
pine iron
the game isnt fun when theres 1 style thats miles above every other one
faint flicker
ok so giant doesnt need to be buffed
pine iron
so in return all the styles have to be just as viable
fringe dragon
^
pine iron
read what my message said
it doesnt need to be buffed
it jus needs to be un-nerfed
i want og giant
turbid palm
i at least think he should be reworked
faint flicker
giant was a top 3 style until emp came out
fringe dragon
i at least think he should be reworked
fallen walrus
pine iron
giant was a top 3 style until emp came out
exactly
faint flicker
it's still top 5
turbid palm
or maybe just like a visual change idn
fallen walrus
Everyone gets countered by emp
pine iron
giants offensive is now trash due to hitbox changes, and his charge is outshined by every other offensive move in the game
and post form gets counterd
fallen walrus
He lost me when he said he was around plat
pine iron
jackpot and emp
turbid palm
maybe they will ifx it with all the bugs odn
faint flicker
emp doesnt counter post form
fringe dragon
okay how does emp counter post form
fallen walrus
emp doesnt counter post form
Only the hook
hot igloo
mannn NERF EMPORER!!!!!!!!!!!
fringe dragon
unless you use post hook
faint flicker
ya you're stupid if you use the hook
fallen walrus
You dont get it
pine iron
unless you use post hook
yeah
fallen walrus
Giant isnt bad
fringe dragon
so you do use post hook
pine iron
i never said that
fallen walrus
EMp is just insanely broken
fringe dragon
😭
pine iron
yall didnt even read my message
fringe dragon
we did
fallen walrus
and since everyone runs emp giant is useless
.
fringe dragon
and its nonsense
turbid palm
nah we did not
hot igloo
death to emporer!!!!!!1!!!!!
turbid palm
aint one person reading all that
pine iron
my point was giants main playstyle was to counter, but now he jus gets counterd due to the fact that every other new style does what he does but 100x better
fringe dragon
YO HOLD UP PERSONA 4 REMAKE TRAILER
fallen walrus
my point was giants main playstyle was to counter, but now he jus gets counterd ...
The only new style that does it better than giant does is emp what
fringe dragon
brb
turbid palm
i think they should give him a counter system/ jumping system like the anime
pine iron
so why play giant when i can jus play emp? does emp need a nerf? yes. does giant need a buff or a rework? no, but he DOES NEED HIS OG TECH ABCK
fringe dragon
my point was giants main playstyle was to counter, but now he jus gets counterd ...
name styles that do what giant does but better
aside from emp
pine iron
bb god, instead of a post that can be counterd its a free 2 from the 3 line
fallen walrus
What are you not getting
pine iron
his charge is also god awful
fringe dragon
you havent answered
pine iron
every new style has a dash
turbid palm
true
fallen walrus
Bbgod is suppose to be pure offensive ofc its suppose to be better on offense
fringe dragon
how does reach counter post
pine iron
whats the question
fallen walrus
Giant is mostly 2 points and defense
fallen walrus
how does reach counter post
Cahrge
turbid palm
its buns
pine iron
jus like ace was
fringe dragon
its not but
pine iron
ace was outshined by every other new offensive style
fringe dragon
sure
fallen walrus
Its not outdated😂
fringe dragon
its widely considered a top 5 style
faint flicker
giant isnt outdated
fringe dragon
except for you apparently
pine iron
so why play giant when i can jus play emp? does emp need a nerf? yes. does giant...
.
read this
do yall agree
faint flicker
literally my main class
fallen walrus
.
THE PROBLEM IS EMP NOT GIANT
CAN YOU STOP COMPARING GIANT TO THAT BRAINDEAD STYLE
pine iron
why are we pretending it doesnt exist
fringe dragon
baseline
fringe dragon
giant is incredibly good
pine iron
no
fringe dragon
youre only downplaying it
pine iron
now ur lying
fringe dragon
because youre using emp as a baseline
fallen walrus
why are we pretending it doesnt exist
Because everyone knows its a braindead style
fringe dragon
now ur lying
brother you think perf is top 3 only one of us is lying 😭
fallen walrus
If you want every style to be as braindead as that, thats how you turn a game into a blr game
turbid palm
its even worse than bbgod fr
pine iron
so they needed a better style to counter it which is emp
and now that emp is to op
they need a new more op style to counter that
thats the direction of the game
fringe dragon
yeah
fallen walrus
is that not the new baseline?
@fringe dragon The emp effect got the best of him
He's a lost caue
fringe dragon
yeha
fallen walrus
cause
fringe dragon
it got him
fringe dragon
"THIS STYLE OP SO WHY ISNT MINE TOO"
pine iron
shut up and listen
fallen walrus
"THIS STYLE OP SO WHY ISNT MINE TOO"
couldnt have described it better
pine iron
giant can be considerd / is a top 5 style right
aswell as wtv else
but compare all those to emp, theyre garbage, no?
fallen walrus
pine iron
ong ur lying
fallen walrus
Hes deep in the emp effect man
fallen walrus
but compare all those to emp, theyre garbage, no?
You legit said the problem
fringe dragon
there is one issue
fallen walrus
How are you still not getting it
fringe dragon
and nerfing that issue
solves the problem
tada!
it cannot be that hard to piece together man
fallen walrus
Well hold on
Hes got a point
Not a good one
But it technically does balance it out
If they wont nerf emp
Just make everything as braindead as emp
As long as its balanced right
fallen walrus
Oh hell nah
pine iron
everything has to be op
fallen walrus
Its a bbz game bruh
fringe dragon
pine iron
besides longer cooldowns
fallen walrus
how do u nerf emp
Nerf the reach duration to 3 seconds and add an indicator
pine iron
longer cooldowns literally wont do anything
fringe dragon
how do u nerf emp
8s > 3s time window and an indicator
make forced shot a 2 pointer
turbid palm
maybe just fix the game overal becuase its been buggy
fringe dragon
there we go
pine iron
if the player isnt a braindead bum and he guards u he still gets a free block
no matter what
fringe dragon
how about like
pine iron
which is fine and dandy
fallen walrus
if the player isnt a braindead bum and he guards u he still gets a free block
Atleast it will require alot more skill
Instead of guaranteed
fringe dragon
watch the indicator
pine iron
"alot"
fallen walrus
Like it is now
pine iron
not hard to press w
fallen walrus
not hard to press w
you can pumpfake gng
fringe dragon
its three seconds
WITH an indicator
how bad do you have to be to not be able to counter that
pine iron
yall are getting way to comfortable with the idea of "hey lets make 1 op style to counter the last op style and the rest of the styles just become garbage and unviable compared to the new ones"
fringe dragon
except giant isnr
fallen walrus
yall are getting way to comfortable with the idea of "hey lets make 1 op style t...
we never said that what???
pine iron
it.. literally is...
fringe dragon
fallen walrus
garbage and unviable compared to emp
funny enough comparing it to emp
It is
BUT
OUTSIDE THAT
ITS GOOD
fringe dragon
so basically
pine iron
but its outshined to far to where since everyone plays emp now
fallen walrus
But fr people need to stop comparing ANY STYLE to emp
fringe dragon
the solution is
pine iron
giant gets no play
fringe dragon
nerf emp
fallen walrus
It makes everything look bad
pine iron
It makes everything look bad
thats my point, chrollo wont nerf emp tho
pine iron
he'll just make another style to counter emp thats even MORE op
fallen walrus
thats my point, chrollo wont nerf emp tho
no your point was to make giant as braindead as emp
Since the beginning
turbid palm
chrollo wont even fix the bugs so i doubt he will change anything else
fallen walrus
"buff giant"
turbid palm
just say the game is trash
fringe dragon
because nobody reading allat
fallen walrus
Revert giant? when did giant get a specific nerf?
fringe dragon
i think he means
the cannot snatch after jump
which wasnt even a nerf
it was more of a fix
fallen walrus
Dude thats a universal nerf
pine iron
it made him offensive tho
his shove is awful
its a waste of a snatch
which is what makes giant good, his snatch
fallen walrus
Charge is really good unless ur going against reach
pine iron
and his post is only EVER used in 2v2 ranked
turbid palm
he is an offensive charicter in the anime though
fringe dragon
charge is an entire
pine iron
he is an offensive charicter in the anime though
exactly
pulsar kernel
he is an offensive charicter in the anime though
anime?
fallen walrus
he is an offensive charicter in the anime though
Based on shaq
fringe dragon
6 second stun
fallen walrus
WHAT
turbid palm
kokuros basketball?
fallen walrus
no its not
fallen walrus
based on the purple hair dude
you really wanna go here
fringe dragon
no its not
pine iron
u might b dumb for this
pulsar kernel
real
fallen walrus
u might b dumb for this
who dumb now?
turbid palm
but if it was based on shac wouldnt all his moves just be dunking
fringe dragon
but if it was based on shac wouldnt all his moves just be dunking
thats
almost his entire moveset...
fringe dragon
contact dunk post dunk nothing against me posterizer
turbid palm
i thought he had a jump?
pine iron
yeah
fallen walrus
snatch?
pine iron
thats his main move
turbid palm
ok nvm
fallen walrus
Yeah shaq had some insane blocks
pine iron
that all the pros utilize
pros dont gaf abt his dunks
his snatch is what makes him good
fringe dragon
does he know
pine iron
almost every other move goes unused unless in 2v2 ranked
fallen walrus
I dont think he does
turbid palm
3s are better than twos snipers would say
fallen walrus
3s are better than twos snipers would say
Used to be
pine iron
still are
pine iron
80% mvp ratio and 90% of my shots are 3's
fallen walrus
Instead of the go to
pine iron
yeah 3's arent good but they still win u games
cause to many offensive characters have free 3's
fallen walrus
yeah 3's arent good but they still win u games
Oh i know
Im just saying
Going for 2s
Isnt so bad anymore
turbid palm
yeah becuase you have autoatic twos?
fallen walrus
lemme see if u can still double block
use snatch first then block normally
turbid palm
with bbgod
pine iron
use snatch first then block normally
like dont jump and block? like wdym
everytime i try that i get a whole message on my screen
fallen walrus
like dont jump and block? like wdym
Use snatch, then once u land jump normally for a block
If u block normally first, u cant use snatch
turbid palm
then you also have snatches automatic two aswell
fallen walrus
But that nerf dont apply in reverse
turbid palm
there are more people with aoutomatic twos than threes?
pine iron
giant doesnt need a buff he jus need a revert
i miss giant when he was a trump card
not a situational style
turbid palm
i miss shack too
fallen walrus
I wouldnt mind if they bring back the double block tbh
Never really affected me that much
I got bigger things to worry about
Emp reach
turbid palm
like emp
fallen walrus
Dominating on top ranked 2v2
turbid palm
i can bearly play any ranked games beacuase of the buggs
fallen walrus
top 6 is chuck
pine iron
I wouldnt mind if they bring back the double block tbh
he needs it back
makes his defense so much better especially with all the new dribbling moves
turbid palm
i think they should fix the passing bugs and rebounding ones too
fallen walrus
i think they should fix the passing bugs and rebounding ones too
Yeah everyones been saying that already
Pretty sure they already know about it and either
Cant fix it
Or choose to ignore it
turbid palm
they cant????
fallen walrus
Or choose to ignore it
turbid palm
broo chrollo needs to fix his gameeee
fringe dragon
if he stops drooling and obsessing over hype maybe he will
fallen walrus
Im really scared for this friday man
turbid palm
maybe
fallen walrus
I already have my hands full with emp
pulsar kernel
new emperor style
fallen walrus
WOuldnt wanna deal with gold too
turbid palm
full stun making opents gold
fringe dragon
(im probably not gonna play for a week)
turbid palm
ima get gold then sell it at burger king
fallen walrus
cant wait to play against emperor and emperor but yellow
I argued with a guy earlier on the questions channel about gold
I simply said gold is based on nash gold from the movie
He said i was spreading false information since gold is a oc character
pine iron
Im really scared for this friday man
wait what
fallen walrus
Im like huh
pine iron
whats happening this friday
fringe dragon
He said i was spreading false information since gold is a oc character
mane what 💔
fallen walrus
mane what 💔
Yeah i said emp is also an oc but everyone knows who its based of
Like dumbest thing ever
turbid palm
i think they should add a rick an morty style
fallen walrus
doesnt work
wym?
fallen walrus
Hold on lemme try
fallen walrus
It didnt block but since im able to jump right after, it means its possible
pine iron
is that a priv server
or a public
and also it didnt block tho
it lets u jump
but u cant press e to block
fallen walrus
Public server
pine iron
also perf's 3 is snatchable right?
fallen walrus
also perf's 3 is snatchable right?
Yes
pine iron
okay look
like see what i mean by his snatch is glitched
am i trippin
or did the ball not go right thru me
fringe dragon
either ping
or uh
hitboxes just suck
sky leap hasnt been snatching much for me either
pine iron
give me back the giant i know and love 💔
or jus fix the game in general
that'd be nice
Revert Giant
fallen walrus
You went too early
I looked at it slowly and the ball was still in his area and not going towards rim yet
pine iron
oh
fallen walrus
Usually happenes when ping is involved
thorn steeple
yea perfect step is also just kinda wierd timing
pine iron
fallen walrus
Yeah still hasnt left him animation wise
Only snatchable when it actually starts traveling to the rim
vestal charm
I was looking for this, I hope they rework or buff giant soon 🙏