#Ethics

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untold shuttle
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I understand that this game uses a rolling or “gacha” system to introduce new characters, but the system is arguably predatory. Roblox is primarily marketed toward children, and mechanics like these can promote gambling-like behavior at an early age.

The game limits character slots, meaning that players especially younger ones may be forced to give up previously acquired characters, even ones they paid real money to obtain. This creates a harmful loop: kids spend Robux to roll for miracle classes without fully understanding the value of what they're giving up a hallmark of predatory monetization.

While Roblox currently allows randomized item systems as long as the odds are clearly disclosed and there is no way to win Robux in return, this may not be the case for long. Regulatory changes in regions like the European Union are targeting these gacha's and similar systems. If laws shift to classify these mechanics as gambling or ban them entirely, Roblox may be compelled to act against games using these models such as Basketball Zero.

It would be wiser and more ethical to transition to a more transparent, consumer-friendly model now rather than wait until regulatory pressure forces a reactive and messy overhaul.

rotund stag
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the thing is

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the devs unfortunately do not give a damn since the current system generates a lot of money

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and honestly gacha systems thrive like hell in roblox considering that its a system in almost every front page game you play

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is it a good system? absolutely not but its incredibly popular and drags players in AND keeps them in

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and thats beneficial for developers who only care about getting money

potent elbow
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big words scare me

rotund stag
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perchance

untold shuttle
# rotund stag and thats beneficial for developers who only care about getting money

There's a component to the unfortunately long essay that contains a legal component. The idea was that they still have to obey that law. Should the European union ban this style of monetization or label it as gambling, they will have to care. It doesn't matter how much of a greedy pig the author's are, they still have to abide by the law and by extension; Roblox's policy. In addition, we don't have to be quiet either about their misgivings. It's fair for us to make it heard that we disagree with their style of monetization and find it unethical. Even if this doesn't encourage the devs to make a change to their game, it may encourage a developer to attempt to fill a market gap and create their own game that does feature these ethical marketing practices.

untold shuttle
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We do have power believe it or not, we're the consumer. We have the power to both vote with our dollar, and threaten to jump ship to a competitor should a viable alternative crop up.

potent elbow
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yes, but what’s the solution

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seems like a means to reach the solution

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i feel like i’m being radicalized 😭

rotund stag
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complaints dont do much btw

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i agree that the gacha system is stupid

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but the devs arent going to change it any time soon

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potent elbow
untold shuttle
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If you're reffering to the outcome, it could manifest as one of two things;

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Either the devs cave and correct the unethical monetization practices; or a competator to the game is made.

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The reason the devs can get away with what they already do is they hold a monopoly.

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Alternatives, at least good ones simply do not exist at this time.

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And they may be partially due to Basket ball Zero's popularity!

potent elbow
untold shuttle
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A majority of "battle grounds" games feature a class select system that has all the classes available from the get go.

rotund stag
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yeah thats

potent elbow
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is it really unethical though

rotund stag
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not happening

potent elbow
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seems to be larger than BBZ

dawn mason
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Yeah this ain't happening

potent elbow
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BBZ is still playable for f2p

dawn mason
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This isn't a bbz problem but a roblox problem

untold shuttle
dawn mason
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You'd have to convince about maybe 70% of top roblox games to obey

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rotund stag
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except most of the "consumers" do not care and do not mind this system

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rotund stag
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yeah uh

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good luck because 90% of roblox front page is like this

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as much as i dislike gacha systems

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nobody can do anything to convince them to do otherwise

dawn mason
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Btw if you really wanna make a change

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You should probably start with the biggest elephant in the room

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Grow a garden

untold shuttle
dawn mason
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Go over there and convince them first

untold shuttle
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You still have access to more free plants.

dawn mason
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You know what's crazy

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Afk place exist

untold shuttle
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It's to farm premium.

dawn mason
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U can get most of the style for free🤡

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There is no premium benefits

untold shuttle
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And for what? There's no game in the AFK server, if they were to merge the afk server's properties with BBZ's game then I'd count it as free.

dawn mason
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If one can't buy robux because they have no job then afk is really the only way to even get stuff for free

untold shuttle
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Do you agree with this model?

dawn mason
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Also compared to how expensive robux is

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Id say the afk place is already pretty generous

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Me? I don't fully support it

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But would I play a game that gives a style like emperor for absolutely free?

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Hell no💔

untold shuttle
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And if you don't agree with it, you don't have to defend it.

dawn mason
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Though there's not much you can really do

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If the game has very little amount of monetization it does not give any motivation for the devs

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You would barely have quality updates

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Or even games as good as this to exist

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Money drives people

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Thats just how the world works

untold shuttle
# dawn mason Thats just how the world works

I believe this was rather obvious and didn't need to be said. But beyond money, is law. If you live in the European Union, you can also use your actual vote to try and get this practice considered illegal.

wraith belfry
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do devs even check suggestions

untold shuttle
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Honestly this one's more for you. As a player and consumer of course.

dawn mason
wraith belfry
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well

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yea idk

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wraith belfry
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the devs for this game like stealing your robux ngl

dawn mason
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I have not spent a single robux the moment afk place was introduced

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And I've gotten every single style

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And zone

wraith belfry
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some mf spent like 5k pretty sure

dawn mason
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Yeah thats on them

untold shuttle
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Honestly; I haven't spent nor used AFK place. I joined when BOOSTEDCODE came out.

dawn mason
wraith belfry
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to be fair thats a wild code

untold shuttle
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Which is kind of funny that despite people spending money and time in AFK place, the devs released a code that just invalidated all of that.

wraith belfry
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isnt that like 500 free spins

dawn mason
untold shuttle
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Something like that if you account for the money.

wraith belfry
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they really want players to get GLUED to this game

dawn mason
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They made the new limited unobtainable for like 30 mins

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So people spent millions

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And hundreds of lucky spin

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So to "compensate"

untold shuttle
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Oof rip

dawn mason
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They released that boosted code

wraith belfry
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people still couldnt get the style with that ngl

untold shuttle
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That's unfortunate RNG

static cargo
untold shuttle
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Honestly it's a suitable counter-play to Emperor.

dawn mason
wraith belfry
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its a offensive player

untold shuttle
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Extremely offensive & mobile

wraith belfry
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with like

dawn mason
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Dont use emperor as your standard

wraith belfry
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no defense

untold shuttle
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Can get you out of range of emperor's reach

wraith belfry
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yea but theres like

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3 more emperors

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behind

untold shuttle
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Well ya if you're swarmed by emperor's whatcha gonna do y'know? Lol

wraith belfry
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they have to limit the use of styles over mythix

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one per game or something

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that would balance the game so much

untold shuttle
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Idk how that'd work with the current system.

wraith belfry
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every server is just reach spam

static cargo
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If your saying it's balanced

wraith belfry
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if its not reach spam

static cargo
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Then ace is balanced

wraith belfry
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your gonna get dunked

wraith belfry
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the shot thing easily gets blocked now

static cargo
wraith belfry
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drive is decent

untold shuttle
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Kinda off topic; I'd love for a game-mode where there just aren't any style's or zones at all.

static cargo
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Ace and bbg are literally almost the same character

untold shuttle
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Just Basketball

untold shuttle
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I'd play that to death.

wraith belfry
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2k???

untold shuttle
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Basically, but I like how BBZ plays and its engine better.

wraith belfry
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idk ig

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its kinda

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yknow

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actually

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no styles but with zones

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then actual BB rules

untold shuttle
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I'd be cool with that.

wraith belfry
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thats a good mode

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posterizer and real BB would be awesome

dawn mason
untold shuttle
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Make a competitive mode as well for it and you got a good game mode.

dawn mason
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If you don't know how to use bbg then yes it won't be good yes

wraith belfry
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if they made the game like 2k but keep zones

dawn mason
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It doesnt follow your traditional dribble move that pushes you forward

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It requires some skill to use

untold shuttle
dawn mason
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Its the best offensively if used properly

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People just don't realize that because they want the rarest styles to do the work for them like emperor

static cargo
dawn mason
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Your analogy is basically no defense skill= bad style

static cargo
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I can bet flash is better than it

dawn mason
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Since when did people rely on a skill to play defense for them

dawn mason
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How do you use shamgod

untold shuttle
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"Shamgod" is peak

static cargo
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Dawg, idfk, I played him once and said "hell no"

dawn mason
untold shuttle
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You kinda forfeitted by saying that lol

dawn mason
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You don't know how to use him and immediately assumed he's bad

versed mantle
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shammgod is pretty good

static cargo
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I barely got space

versed mantle
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ur just wack at using it

static cargo
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Nah I aint

untold shuttle
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Ya doesn't it have like a burst of three?

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I've seen people make some incredible distance with it.

rotund stag
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shammgod can create as much space as pre nerf perfection dribble

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it might just be

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a skill issue icl

versed mantle
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then why are you complaining that it sucks

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used it once and then saying its mid

static cargo
versed mantle
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oh no this dribble doesn't teleport me immediately to the enemy hoop, this dribble sucks

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potent elbow
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like every other suggestion about the trajectory of the game, it goes off topic 😭

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what did i miss

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versed mantle
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people that I see using bbg still use it on our court, like they're wack as hell

potent elbow
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have you changed your mind

untold shuttle
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I'm pretty sure the new lootbox laws Europe is proposing will force the game to change anyway.

untold shuttle
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Do you agree with them?

potent elbow
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with which points

versed mantle
potent elbow
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i don’t read, i argue

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and when i argue, it is in bad faith

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😈

versed mantle
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never changing

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potent elbow
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versed mantle
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no like, even if europe does whatever with their laws, gacha will still exist

untold shuttle
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Because Roblox has to comply with the law.

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So these games will either be banned outright, or labelled 17- 18+

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And should that happen, that'd kill the primary demographic for the game.

versed mantle
dawn mason
wraith belfry
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chrollo paid off the entirety of europeDog Dog

dawn mason
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Just like how when they made the privacy law thing

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Only players from Europe have hidden friends list

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Everyone else you can check

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This probably goes the same for the games

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versed mantle
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in korea(?), its banned to do gacha

dawn mason
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Most it can do are prevent Europe players from playing the game

versed mantle
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no rolls or whatever

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dawn mason
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In which vpns exist

untold shuttle
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South Korea is a different story.

untold shuttle
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And even then; if the game is labelled as 18+ that's going to be something that effects the whole world. That's not localized.

dawn mason
untold shuttle
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744,492,395

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The entire continent of America is 340.1 million

potent elbow
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in that case, sucks to suck

untold shuttle
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Literally

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If they don't make the changes basically; they'll only have a quarter of their original market.

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Yes I did the math.

static cargo
untold shuttle
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Like literally one quarter.

versed mantle
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are you a lawyer

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long viper
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is this worth reading

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long viper
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i read it

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this is definitively a suggestion

untold shuttle
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Fr

long viper
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1 bean

untold shuttle
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Ty for the bean

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Fr though; If you do want to make a difference; honestly just showing support to this post DOES help. As I said earlier, even if the devs don't make a difference, let's show them that we care regardless.

versed mantle
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we need a lot of people tho

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7 ain't enough

untold shuttle
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Of course don't be annoying.

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We don't want to be scorned by other players, but being present and annoying are two different things.

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If there's anything I've learned from being a part of a workers union, it's that even if we technically have no legal power, social pressure is a real thing. Let's show interest and maybe even if BBZ itself doesn't change, we see the appearance of a competator that threatens their position.

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And if there ARE competator's, let's talk about them here.

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Basketball Zero itself is just a entourage of code. But its community is hundreds of thousands of breathing humans with a pulse. The developers may see them as nothing more then piggy banks to extract money from, but we know better.

umbral talon
late hill
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I like gambling

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unbump

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untold shuttle
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If you're of aged at least. If not, then don't gamble

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I mean at least you have a chance of winning something tangible at a casino. This is just a money pit where you get no returns.

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Like do you see this fire? 🔥 Just put the money in there.

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Sorry; forced to correct myself. If you burn money at least you'll get heat from it.

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And poisonous smog-

umbral talon
# untold shuttle Can I ask why?

I got timed out from what I was gonna say but to put it short
Getting a high rarity makes you feel unique which I very much like ubg (untitled boxing game) started gacha games for the sports genre and without the spin system it wouldn't be where it is today

untold shuttle
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What my point is however; is children gambling

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Is bad

ocean sable
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As much as I agree, this looks impossible to fix

untold shuttle
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It's a sticky situation for sure, but there aren't any impossibles.

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At least in the realm of buisness and development.

ocean sable
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yeah, ig

umbral talon
untold shuttle
untold shuttle
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"Who cares if kids get dangerous gambling addictions in their adulthood!?"

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Apparently not the developers I'll say that much LMFAO

ocean sable
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this is guy is beyond dumb lmao

untold shuttle
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I think he's joking.

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He has to be.

ocean sable
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yeah…

umbral talon
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No I'm serious wth do you care

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Besides this is already a loss cause this suggestion is practically never happening ever

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Give up

umbral talon
upbeat wyvern
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The devs have shown they don't care

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So uh yeah

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They'll keep releasing busted styles and everyone is gonna throw cash at it

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Common Chrollo Strat

ocean sable
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which is completely irrelevant

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why do u care who or what i have as my pfp kid

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lmao

untold shuttle
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At the same time though, I think it is important that we care about this sort of thing because well y'know. Gambling under the age of 18 is illegal.

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And as the EU expands the definition of what is and isn't considered gambling, this game may be forced by law to actually make these changes or face the reality of being either age restricted or shut down entirely.

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If you read my original message it was saying that the game will HAVE to change. This isn't a matter of if, it's a matter of when and how.

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Roblox HAS to comply with the EU's laws

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As such so does this game.

royal karma
untold shuttle
royal karma
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idk jus check it out

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royal karma
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oh mb

umbral talon
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On roblox Simulators are literally gambling hotspots basketball zero is nothing compared to them

umbral talon
untold shuttle
untold shuttle
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I feel like this is more relevant now.

potent elbow
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perchance

untold shuttle
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Ngl, I think making limiteds permanent was a good step towards this.