Buff Basketball God yo.

[lusty cave]

that works

[onyx sinew]

You can steal through it

[solid basin]

Nah its bugged atm

[onyx sinew]

And it doesn't have any sound

[timid jetty]

yea but its like using limitless flash or smth

[lusty cave]

idk for me it works

i use it and it do work

[solid basin]

Thats not even that bad

[neon zephyr]

theres still a tech to do perfect dribble to get like 10 studs away from enemies then do perfect shoot for a guaranteed 3

[onyx sinew]

And I'm telling you it's bugged atm no opinion just fact

[neon zephyr]

i will gatekeep the strat however.

[lusty cave]

your words against my eyes

[timid jetty]

yea but it shouldnt of gotten pushed down to legendary style power

[distant veldt]

homie is not akashi

[onyx sinew]

Bug reports boss I'm just saying how it is

[neon zephyr]

its not even that bad vro

[lusty cave]

just had a game with it and it works completly fine tho

[neon zephyr]

perfection got me winning against champions

[timid jetty]

perfect drib is like shorter than aces drive

[neon zephyr]

who uses emperor

[onyx sinew]

And I'm telling you the 4th dribble doesn't have any iframes and you can steal through it

😭

[distant veldt]

emp vision still does not have iframes on the 4th dribble

[neon zephyr]

theres still a tech to do perfect dribble to get like 10 studs away from enemies then do perfect shoot for a guaranteed 3

[distant veldt]

btw

[neon zephyr]

but...

[distant veldt]

lol

[neon zephyr]

i will gatekeep the way.

no one shall know.

[lusty cave]

oh i didn't try that yet

should check

i thought you meant the dribble just didn't work

[timid jetty]

could prolly still get blocked with above average opponents

[onyx sinew]

Okie dokie

The perfect step 2 is way more valuable than the 3

[wet trail]

emperor:

[timid jetty]

reach can steal the perfect drib 3??

[lusty cave]

ngl emperor is the worst style ever added it should be removed

[onyx sinew]

Why wouldn't it be able to?

[timid jetty]

it should get reworked

[wet trail]

yes

[shut nova]

Yeah

[keen moth]

Guys emperor is bad?

[lone wedge]

basketball god feels good as is

[shut nova]

Bad for the game

[lone wedge]

i can dash out of emperor's true defense

pretty fun

[onyx sinew]

If we fix shammgod

[keen moth]

Oh

[distant veldt]

yeah mr white

[timid jetty]

so it has no good 3, a mediocre 2, decent dribble(i guess) and its blink has a global cd and easy to counter...

[wet trail]

whats wrong with shammgod tho

its good

[lone wedge]

i feel like shammgod being a random chain thing is the only thing making it not superduper op

[distant veldt]

shammgod has the same range as pre nerf perfection dribble

[lone wedge]

if shammgod could be manipulated to go straight or one specific direction

that's just

[distant veldt]

although

[wet trail]

it certainly is not janky for me

[distant veldt]

no auto score

[lone wedge]

that's probably lag yeah

[wet trail]

https://streamable.com/ci557s

[lone wedge]

never had a bug with bbg so far

[timid jetty]

crazy

[onyx sinew]

Me falling under the map with shammgod at 40 ping can't be classified as "ping" 💔

[distant veldt]

does that acc happen

lmao

[lone wedge]

I've never ever seen that happen during a match

[onyx sinew]

It happened once and I've just switched back to flash

[lone wedge]

is gang playing on a potato?

[shut nova]

My friend fell from the map one time using it so yeah

[lone wedge]

so you're telling me it could possibly be patched now

[wet trail]

Ive never seen someone phasing through the floor while using shammgod

[lusty cave]

again i disgress, i'm not saying it's terrible i'm saying it's under average, it feels like a mid legendary, and ppl can say "not all limited have to be mythic level" and to that i say yeah sure, don't make it the same rarity as a Miracle then tho, basketball god feels like stronger than sniper but less strong than star and flash, and every mythicals outclass it

[shut nova]

Can't trust any "Patch" they do

[lusty cave]

the ult is good tho it can stay that way

[lone wedge]

im gonna kill someone if chrollo adds another emperor level style

[lusty cave]

i like BBG ult

[shut nova]

Ace?

[timid jetty]

idk why they make every limited have to be rare

[lone wedge]

sometimes we overlook the fact that some styles work better when you have people supporting you

[onyx sinew]

Just make dunk over heaven a 2

[shut nova]

For it to be very limited

[wet trail]

let me say it better, not all limited have to be miracle level

[onyx sinew]

Pretty please

[neon zephyr]

it gets you all the way from the free throw line to the center of the court within 1 second

but sure

[lusty cave]

i think emperor should be removed, but again. Ima take for exemple current perfection. It's literally altmost perfect as a limted style, it's strong fun to use cool to look at and it's not super broken

[lusty cave]

no more like emperor level

of toxcicity

[lone wedge]

they crippled perfection a little too much

blink is good yeah but the dribble is AWFUL

[wet trail]

fr its crazy that a dunk can do a 3

[lusty cave]

maybe i didn't try it but from what i've seen it's the best style i've seen so far in overall

[lone wedge]

+1 for the style points

[timid jetty]

thats kinda just the drib with emperor

[onyx sinew]

Pre nerf perfection was one of the most unfun experiences

[analog flame]

I think it’s just that since emperor came out if the style isn’t an offensive and defensive it feel underwhelming

[onyx sinew]

Glad it got ruined

[lone wedge]

they nerfed it like to the FLOOR

[shut nova]

Hearing 4 blinks after making a perfect play for 3 points

[lone wedge]

i was one of the few people who mained pre nerf perfection. the difference makes sense but it's just staggering

[lusty cave]

anyway just saying BBG is a worst ace, ace have a better dash that can lead to easy 2 points and it has a better free 3 point

just the ult is a bit less

good

but again i wouldn't change BBG ult it's very fun

[distant veldt]

same

[wet trail]

make dunk overheaven do a 4, for uniqueness

[distant veldt]

i did not enjoy getting blinked every 2 picoseconds

[lone wedge]

ace is trying to dominate while bbg was trying to teach so i guess by their nature it makes sense that bbg isn't trying to ovwrwhelm you

[lusty cave]

i said what i would add for BBG to be good, mythic level and fun to play

i don't expect everyone to agree

but i like the way it could play

[lone wedge]

maybe if bbg just has the same skill lock had?? the one that increased blocking range but isn't a complete teleport like reach

[distant veldt]

i dont mind them adding stuff as long as it retains its offense only style

imo adding a defense move to it is unfitting

[onyx sinew]

We really don't need any more defensive style but Nash is coming

[wet trail]

fr

[distant veldt]

yeah

[lone wedge]

I'm pretty sure they only want it because they KNOW bbg can defend easily

[distant veldt]

why the hell they adding nash this early bruh

[lusty cave]

i didn't add defense move

[lone wedge]

his entire character concept is broken. he literally flies

[distant veldt]

they aint even wait a month

[lone wedge]

i think that's what they expected

[distant veldt]

ah yes

[wet trail]

an off ball shammgod should be Godly Pass

[lusty cave]

^^

[lone wedge]

if it's not on you or anyone how is that gonna work

[wet trail]

oh right nvm

[distant veldt]

that is a defense move though

[shut nova]

Bro's redirecting the pass with his car

[distant veldt]

2nd move is just pressure defense

[lusty cave]

pushing ppl ? not really it's more like a set move

you can't steal the ball

you just make it harder for ppl to pass

after that it depends on allies

[wet trail]

what I meant to say is, giving buffs to your teammates like bbg did in regular show

[lusty cave]

it's more of a support

[distant veldt]

i still dont like that theyre adding nash this early

[lone wedge]

what if bbg had an offball move where he jumps into his car and runs you over for an auto anklebreak or goes for the ball

[lone wedge]

the money.

[onyx sinew]

The car emote already pmo

I can't see anything

[lone wedge]

oh my god nvm they could fake it

[shut nova]

ONG remove that thing

[distant veldt]

people surely LOVED the emperor update lets add another style thats a similar archetype!!!

[analog flame]

Giving your teammates a buff sounds nice

[lone wedge]

isn't nash gold using smth like beldam eyes???

[distant veldt]

if they dont nerf emperor before gold i might actually be pressed

[lone wedge]

isn't that crazier than emperor eyes

[distant veldt]

naw

[lone wedge]

can't he predict the whole court

[distant veldt]

akashi technically has a better ehe

eye

[timid jetty]

i just want another style that purely supports his team

[distant veldt]

once he completed it

although

[lone wedge]

nono but think of how itd be ingame

[distant veldt]

the emperor in game is most likely s3 akashi

and the nash theyll add might just be more busted

[timid jetty]

bru

[lone wedge]

nash gold's entire moveset is just

ultimate pass

on steroids

pass + shoot, pass + pass again

pass + auto anklebreak

pass but you can't see it

pass but your family dies

[distant veldt]

and also

an intercept

[wet trail]

rare style named buffer

[distant veldt]

an auto block on steroids

because how the hell did he go from marking someone to blocking a shot attempt right on the hoop

[lone wedge]

dude i want them to add the guys that literally beat up iron heart LMAO

"hey.. hide this from the ref.." 👊👊👊

[shut nova]

While at it give his zone and extra dribble too

[distant veldt]

ngl that had me pressed

teppei is my goat

[analog flame]

Yea Nash and Akashi duos sounds terrible

[distant veldt]

kirisaki dai ichi wouldntve scored as much as they did without those fouls

they beat on my king bro

[lone wedge]

nash, emperor, bbg trio in 3v3 🥶🥶🥶🥶

[wet trail]

https://tenor.com/view/gold-gif-14542588633037507233

[wet trail]

definitely the dribble

[lone wedge]

this is gonna be so awful

and I'll be here to abuse it

[distant veldt]

time to

probably not play the game when gold releases

if emperor doesnt get a nerf before it

[analog flame]

10 straight 0-20 games incoming

[distant veldt]

this is like dealing with king and armor king in tekken bro

has me SICK

[lone wedge]

can't wait to play nash gold battlegrounds 🥶🥶🥶

the emperor hype kinda died down for me i cant lie

[timid jetty]

what if they nerf emperor alot

[lone wedge]

haven't seen that much in a while

[distant veldt]

please bro

[timid jetty]

only to make nash like emperor

[distant veldt]

yeah theyll prolly do that

[timid jetty]

its a give and take

[distant veldt]

they never learn

[lone wedge]

who would win

[distant veldt]

blink

got nerfed

[lone wedge]

no cooldown perfection

or

[analog flame]

Going from BBZ ranked to tekken ranked is nasty work

[distant veldt]

then came reach which was 10x worse

[lone wedge]

no cooldown emperor

[distant veldt]

its a vicious cycle

[timid jetty]

so your saying nash is gonna have a move

[lone wedge]

you can rebound the ball from blink no problem

[timid jetty]

10x worse

[lone wedge]

reach is just a free steal

[timid jetty]

than reach

[distant veldt]

perchance.

[wet trail]

doesn't nash also do a perfect pass

[timid jetty]

[distant veldt]

not just a perfect pass

it literally

[lone wedge]

https://tenor.com/view/nash-gold-nash-gold-jr-nash-akashi-nash-nash-akashi-gif-7309299866085302215

[distant veldt]

is motionless

invisible

[lone wedge]

akashi was a nash gold victim early on

this is gonna be awful

[wet trail]

oh boy

[distant veldt]

so uh

[timid jetty]

emperor nash chem reaction

[wet trail]

definitely the dribble and that pass as the base

[distant veldt]

hes gonna have

[timid jetty]

i just know they'll slip that in

[distant veldt]

ULTIMATE PASS + BULLET PASS ON CRACK

MANE

[lone wedge]

pullet bass 🔥🔥🔥

[distant veldt]

i almost crashed out thinking about it

[wet trail]

so like pre nerf bullet pass

[shadow burrow]

Buff it

[wet trail]

cuz it just tps

[distant veldt]

it doesnt tp

[timid jetty]

30 cal

[distant veldt]

funny enough

[timid jetty]

pass

[distant veldt]

it just goes really fast

[wet trail]

mach 1 pass

[distant veldt]

which is why lock could intercept it

[wet trail]

a pass that lock cant even intercept..

nor an emperor's reach

[distant veldt]

its probably gonna be

[lone wedge]

BULLET PASS WAS PHANTOM'S ONLY GOOD MOVE

[distant veldt]

flowstep + ultimate pass + bullet pass on crack

[lone wedge]

AND THEY KILLED IT INSTEAD OF EMPERORS REACH

[timid jetty]

legit

[analog flame]

Ankle break without dribbling

[distant veldt]

MAN EMPEROR IS SO BUSTED LETS NERF PHANTOM

[onyx sinew]

Me when I beat bullet pass with a simple steal

[distant veldt]

they giving phantom the devil jin treatment bro

[timid jetty]

phantom wasnt even that popular that much

[distant veldt]

phantom was my second main

after sniper

cuz i sucked at shooting

[lone wedge]

I was

i found it out the sad way

"oh no they're gonna bullet pass the enemy is half court!"

and it lands on ME

[distant veldt]

same

i was confused

[onyx sinew]

Air balled 💔

[distant veldt]

"did my copycat teammate do that?

it happens again

and the pass

happens point blank

BUT LANDS ON MY TEAMMATR

INSTEAD

HOW

[wet trail]

I thought it does land on your teammate..?

[lone wedge]

LOCK TOO

[distant veldt]

no

i mean that

my opponent

does a bullet pass

point blank

[wet trail]

oh

[distant veldt]

but it lands on my damn teammate bro

[wet trail]

what an idiot

[lone wedge]

"lock got the ball oh no!" and i misclicked steal

and

got the ball???

[distant veldt]

i remember seeing that happen to someone

i was like

oh nice

i can counter it now

[wet trail]

oh and, a copy copying clutch instead of the emperors around him

[analog flame]

Locks intercept sucks so much bro😭😭

[lone wedge]

i was trying to roll for clutch earlier cs i was maining chuck for a while and got bbg off of a normal spin

i want this game dead

never gives me anything when i want it

the zone too.

[onyx sinew]

Jump stop catches people off guard though (once)

[distant veldt]

i love clutch

my side main

[wet trail]

emperors

[timid jetty]

mf suffering from sucess

[lone wedge]

this is very smart

clutch counters emperor

he's on the right track

[distant veldt]

what

am i looking at

[wet trail]

a normal match of emperors

[timid jetty]

mfs staring at you intensely

swear

they should just limit the amount of mythic and above styles to counter that

its so braindead to manage to weasle yourself to enemy line

just for reach

[analog flame]

Wait is the rare style quick still getting released ?

[timid jetty]

yea

pretty sure alongside a epic??

or legendary

[analog flame]

I Totally forgot it ngl

[wet trail]

next upd

[analog flame]

Okay

[wet trail]

it looks pretty good for a rare ngl

[analog flame]

Yea

[lone wedge]

dude

the real basketball zone

feels reachier than limitless for me

[timid jetty]

i use it with giant

[lone wedge]

like??? fade near the hc line and it's in

[timid jetty]

feels good

[wet trail]

what word is that bro

[analog flame]

“Reachier”

[timid jetty]

dunking on your opponents just feels like an insult

[lone wedge]

reach - reachy - reachier

unless psx is the only game you've played you've at least heard someone exaggerate something before

[analog flame]

I’ll accept it

[timid jetty]

retch

[lone wedge]

what the actual hell do you mean my roblox game was lagging because 12 million people were playing an offline garden game

[timid jetty]

online animal crossinh

its

kinda crazy hmo

[lofty bluff]

Dawg it's the BASKETBALL GOD buff him ans give him off ball moves

Maybe a block and steal move and we chilling

[timid jetty]

why

[lofty bluff]

gang we want ofd ball moves

off*

[timid jetty]

its not that bad of a style

[lofty bluff]

gulp

[timid jetty]

its a pure offensive player with good drib

[lofty bluff]

Yes but off ball moves would be nice

[timid jetty]

just get shoved the ball and dunk on em

[lofty bluff]

dawg are you not like understanding my point

we js want off ball moves

[timid jetty]

it doesnt need off ball man

[lofty bluff]

Nun else

yes it does 💀

[timid jetty]

its like way too much

give and take yknow

if you want another move then be ready to trade one back

[lofty bluff]

You know star?

[timid jetty]

honestly better than the limited

[lofty bluff]

We want the og moves and new moves that are off the ball, considering the fact the names the basketball god it has to be versatile atleast and have weaknesses

so it isn't no skill

and you have to time it right, etc.

[timid jetty]

idk about that

dont it have a half court dunk

[lofty bluff]

In it's awk but

base form1!1!1!1!1

[onyx sinew]

In awakening

[timid jetty]

sham is crazy tho

if it does get an off ball move

that has to get slighty nerfed

[lofty bluff]

Sham is not even crazy

It's like emperors dribble, at the end if ur near quickly try to steal the ball, it works for me

[hardy hound]

And also predictable since it always goes to the left

[lofty bluff]

Yeah so idk why he saying it's crazy

[hardy hound]

Hes a perfection user, i saw em crying about it in other posts saying its mid it needs a buff and bbg is op 💔💔

[timid jetty]

gng i main giant

tf

i said perfections decent and needs a rework

[hardy hound]

U said perfection is mid

[timid jetty]

i also said bb is a offensive style

which isnt "op"

[hardy hound]

"Nbdy uses it"

[timid jetty]

yea

it got nerfed

badly

i dont use it anymore

thats why

[hardy hound]

Okay but i still see many players using it

"good" players

[timid jetty]

idk gng

[hardy hound]

Which they r cracked w it

[timid jetty]

idk bout you

thats your gameplay

emphasis

your

[mossy hawk]

bgg mid

[crisp palm]

Make shammgod go to the direction you heading !!

[mossy hawk]

FR and make it to have 2 abilities in 1 like jackpot lucky pass or dash

like emp dribble

[crisp palm]

maybe give the user a speed boost after shammgod ends

but a very high speed boost and for a very short time

like less than 5 seconds

[mossy hawk]

ye and a defense move on the dunk think like a variant like emperor

cause bro for beign 0.25 is mid

[crisp palm]

nah it would be a whole different style

[fiery ingot]

A purely offensive style doesn’t need a defensive move

[mossy hawk]

But man it's mid for its rarity

For example giant has full offensive

And he also defensive

[barren finch]

I dont see why limiteds have to be broken

Limiteds r just fun

Ppl r so used to a limited item causing so much fomo cuz its strong

Thatll just create a toxic meta

“shoulda been there when it dropped buddy 🤓” ahh meta

[odd tulip]

@barren finch yep

[solid basin]

Perfection already did it

[barren finch]

doesnt mean it should happen again

[distant veldt]

people have gotten so used to having every tool possible to the point where they cant defend without abilities

[polar gazelle]

The others are utter garbage

The dribble Is worse than Ace

[gray relic]

shammgod close to 2 zone is unguardable

[mossy hawk]

fr thats the thing, buff shamgod to have direction and to be like emp dribble and thats it

[vernal abyss]

uhm

i dont rlly think basketball god needs a buff

i still feel that its already good as is

[mossy hawk]

not a buff but to fix his abilitie cause u have no direction so u need to go to 3 zone to do the dunk thing, so if u go backwards and waste ur 3 dribbles thats it

[vernal abyss]

maybe thats fine

[barren finch]

Yeah fix the ability def

But dont use it to chain into the dunk anyway

[mossy hawk]

only that then, awk its too broken so thats alr

[distant veldt]

it doesnt need to be controllable just make it less janky

if you could control the dribble itd just be an unguardable flash dash

[barren finch]

Yeah

[distant veldt]

maybe remove the target requirement for it

[barren finch]

The rate ppl want dribbling moves to be buffed flash is gonna be irrelevant in a week bro istg

[distant veldt]

but thats it really

[mossy hawk]

YES BRO

make it like a dash of flash also

without ball

and with ball

[distant veldt]

n9

no

doesnt need off the ball bruh

[barren finch]

if its also off ball the range needs to be less than what flash has

otherwise its just flash but better

[mossy hawk]

not the most op but take in acount, 0.25 CHANCE

[mossy hawk]

it needs to be

[barren finch]

why should rarity dictate power

thats a stupid way of balancing

and will make people who have robux to spend have an advantage over people just trying the game out

[barren finch]

"make this character irrelevant so my character thrives"

[mossy hawk]

DUDE ITS HARD TO GET

[barren finch]

-1 style you'll ever see used

so?

[mossy hawk]

SO IT NEEDS TO BE GOOD ATLEAST

[barren finch]

the difficulty should come from it being rare

so u dont get much practice against it

[mossy hawk]

but its not

[barren finch]

but everyone has it

so its not hard to get

so it shouldnt be broken

[mossy hawk]

not everyone tho

[barren finch]

a majority

like 30% of the players u see prob use a limited style

60% prob have one in their slots

[gray relic]

thousands of players lost all their life savings trying to get him the first 30 minutes of the update release

[barren finch]

if limited styles r broken itll create a

"shoulda been there when it dropped 🤓 " meta

meaning no new players

meaning game dies

[gray relic]

all your yap gets nulled when you remember emperor exists

[barren finch]

nerf emperor

i agree

[mossy hawk]

FR

[gray relic]

Lmao

[pseudo plank]

Isnt he already broken with two insta goals one being from half court?!

[barren finch]

that doesnt mean everything else should get buffed

or therell be a power creep

[mossy hawk]

bro lit shut his mouth whit a phrase

[barren finch]

i agree

its broken in 2v2

but decent in 3v3

ppl just like to complain

[barren finch]

?

I never said i want emperor to be broken

jjk level reading comprehension

[mystic wasp]

Os this a jojo's reference?

[gray relic]

nah but like you saying limiteds cant be broken when you have a normal style being the top of the top, maybe it was made to make a limit on how broken time styles could go

[barren finch]

id rather a normal style be at the top than a limited

to avoid new players from finding it unfair

but id rather have no styles at the top

[gray relic]

ye but like atleast make it top 3 or 2 yk

[barren finch]

id love for it to be a balanced game where ace is on part with emperor and flash is on par with bbg

but thats less feasible because ofc balance is hard

[gray relic]

its very likely to get a rework

[barren finch]

i think limited styles shouldnt be strong but should be rare

so people have less practice against them

making them unpredictable

[gray relic]

ngl the game aint that bad in terms of balance

[mossy hawk]

Velis just stop yapping

[gray relic]

emperor is lowkey something else

but out of that

[barren finch]

"js stop yapping" while not giving any counterpoints

[mossy hawk]

bbg god is mid for being 0.25 so same rarity to get as emperor and specially bc hes limited

[barren finch]

yk im right

[mossy hawk]

ur not otaku boy

[barren finch]

the game wont benefit out of fomo

for limited styles

only chrollos pockets will

[gray relic]

ok what do you mean lmao

[barren finch]

if limiteds r broken ppl will spend money to get them

[gray relic]

who wastes robux on getting a limtied

[barren finch]

def some ppl here

[gray relic]

nah bro afk world exists

[barren finch]

yeah but ppl arent unemployed like that

[gray relic]

minority of minority

[barren finch]

ik but still

every penny counts

would u rather make 200 bucks or not

[gray relic]

trust me

chrollo could make the game p2w

[barren finch]

ik and im glad he isnt

thats why bbg isnt super broken

hes just decent

[gray relic]

indeed, my point is that its out of context talking about this

like money

[modest barn]

needs skill? you mean one move one shoot braindead style?

[barren finch]

ik my point wasnt money

my point was

the game will last longer if limiteds arent meta

[modest barn]

they should just add a dash move and nerf shamgod

[barren finch]

due to new players not being turnt off

[gray relic]

jjk level reading comprehension

[modest barn]

shamgod should also be multi directional instead of that dumbassery that always goes left

[barren finch]

u guys think too much about yourselves and not how it will impact the health of the game

[gray relic]

i agree with this

[gray relic]

tho its actually made to be used close to 2 point zone

[modest barn]

bbg is no brains, that’s why it should get a nerf to shamgod and be multidirectional to make it more of a dribble move

[modest barn]

65 seconds tho

if you’re by yourself and already used it

[gray relic]

wym a nerf

[barren finch]

its less of a nerf and more of a change

[modest barn]

slightly lower the distance

[gray relic]

yeah

[modest barn]

then add a dash move similar to flash that’s not as big as shamgod but enough to let a player close the distance

[gray relic]

? most styles cd go around that time of cd

[modest barn]

60 and those styles have USEFUL moves

[barren finch]

i think the dash should be less than what flash can do

[gray relic]

make shammgod usable off ball ong

[modest barn]

ie Snatch block and emperor’s reach

[modest barn]

maybe one direction only

[barren finch]

nah cuz then whats the point of flash

[modest barn]

you can move in like 3 directions with flash

but with shamgod it could be only forward

[barren finch]

yeah but u can just turn ur character

[modest barn]

if you’re using flash you can do that or immediately just dash using the keybind without looking and also block immediately

it’s around a .3 second difference

[gray relic]

idk bro like shammgod in 2 zone lets you fadeaway with a 3 really easily

unpredictable as heck

[modest barn]

sure but that doesn’t change the fact that making shamgod basically useless off ball was a bad decision

[barren finch]

its less unpredictable and more unreactable

cuz no one can rly catch up to shammgod

[gray relic]

its unpredictable and unreactable

[modest barn]

every other style has some uses off the ball

cept for a few ones

I can name chuck, playmaker, sniper, and ace

off the top of my head

[gray relic]

that it has 2 dribbles

and bgod just 1

[modest barn]

true

[barren finch]

thats sacrificing so much tho

[modest barn]

also

[barren finch]

like anyone would pick bbg over flash

[modest barn]

doesn’t shamgod not stun

flash stuns right

[gray relic]

not really lol, the other dribble stuns

[barren finch]

doesnt matter

cuz shammgod goes further

[modest barn]

I mean, it’s a limited

[barren finch]

flashs dash is kinda short

[modest barn]

isn’t that the point?

[gray relic]

its does matter gang lmao

[modest barn]

it does matter

look at it this way

[barren finch]

flash is already such a weak style tho

[modest barn]

if you’re by yourself

[barren finch]

like when do u ever see it

[gray relic]

me when i lie

[mossy hawk]

GOT EMPEROR ONJ 5 NORMAL SPINS BROOO W

[barren finch]

i might see 1 flash every 15 games

[quaint lily]

woah this is the first time i've seen someone say this

[gray relic]

fr

[modest barn]

BBG starts in the first half
Flash starts in the first half

BBG wastes three dribbles

uses shamgod

his enemy, a flash user closes the distance using dash

now reverse it

[gray relic]

shammgod off ball would be a decent buff

[modest barn]

Flash is in possession

Flash uses quickstep and bam he’s gone

[gray relic]

indeed

[modest barn]

shamgod aint doing nothing

[barren finch]

imo bad argument cuz flash is more versatile in this situation

u could say bbg uses his dunk

[modest barn]

I said starts in the first half

[gray relic]

lol

[modest barn]

he can’t possibly use dunk

[barren finch]

alr well still unrealistic

cuz no one does 1v1

[modest barn]

it’s a 1v1

[gray relic]

its not unrealistic bro what you on

[barren finch]

who does 1v1 on a full court

ofc flash is better

in that

[modest barn]

pubs?

[gray relic]

it is on half aswell try guarding a flash in 3 zone

[barren finch]

and u guys were clowning on me earlier for saying somethign a minority does

[modest barn]

if you say that then every style is viable with good positioning and passing

[barren finch]

u guys r mentioning 1v1s

[modest barn]

but that’s not the styles winning is it

it’s the player

[gray relic]

EXACTLY

[barren finch]

how it should be

[gray relic]

would be balanced still

[mossy hawk]

guys on emp vision can u steal on 4 dribble?

[barren finch]

styles shouldnt carry a player they should just give the player options

[gray relic]

wym?

[barren finch]

yea i think its bugged

the 4th dribble is aesthetic only rn istg

[modest barn]

styles SHOULD carry a bad player but styles shouldnt carry a good one

the fact is that if flash is better than shamgod then it isn’t worth being a limited is it

[barren finch]

again i disagree with that limiteds should be strong

they should be unique

[modest barn]

a style that has a variety of uses is better than a one trick pony

there’s nothing unique about bbg

if you gave me an actual shamgod

[barren finch]

exactly the problem

[gray relic]

theres no better just different

[modest barn]

and his dunk was crazy stupid

then it’d be cool

but it’s boring, it’s just perfection reskinned

[onyx sinew]

Dash (on flash) beats shammgod in both versatility and effectiveness btw

[modest barn]

yea agreed

[barren finch]

my opinion is that
limiteds should be hard, not because they r strong, but because they are rare
you arent able to practice often against them so they r unpredictable.

However since everyone has limiteds, this doesnt work cuz they arent rare enough

[mossy hawk]

using emp now, its 10x better than bbg

[modest barn]

it’s a higher value style for a team

and even in 1v1s

[gray relic]

bbg a perfection reskinned?

[modest barn]

not to mention flash has lower cd

[modest barn]

Put it like this

Perfection has one dribble move

and to follow up

a three or a two

Shamgod has one dribble move for a 3 and an instantaneous 2

now here’s the twister

perfection has a blink move

and shamgod doesnt have any close the gap moves

[barren finch]

i think bbgs dunk move is insane ngl
not because of the move but because of the counter to it
ud need 2 people guarding, one on you and on at the rim

that threat is useful enough on its own for it to be limited imo

[modest barn]

I would agree, but it’s a 2

3s are the winning priority

[barren finch]

yeah i agree

thats why bbg is only decent in 3v3 and busted in 2v2

[modest barn]

exactly

[barren finch]

because dunks r good in 2v2

[gray relic]

ye all teams full of emperors giants copys and stars

[modest barn]

and 3v3 eoesnt have many defenders

[modest barn]

yes which all can create gaps for 3s

[barren finch]

I also hate limiteds being broken cuz it makes copycat useless

[gray relic]

emperors reach kind of has a large range

[modest barn]

emperor with the dribble and pass, giant with a defense option, copy versatile with it’s dribble, and star has an off the nall

[gray relic]

chill gang u can copy emperor

[barren finch]

when perfection was meta my friend who plays copycat lit couldnt play

i dont want that to happen again

[modest barn]

real bro

they should prolly make it like base only

no reason to be unable to copy limiteds

when they’re all BAD

[barren finch]

i think they should just make a backup move for copycat in case they cant copy anything

[lucid tinsel]

Ngl but copycat lwk is busted rn

top 1 style

[barren finch]

like just get a random rare style copy or something

[gray relic]

bro chill tf out with copy, its already op af

[barren finch]

copycat is rly strong and itll always be i think

[modest barn]

Copycat is arguable top 1-2 right niw

[lucid tinsel]

Flash?

[gray relic]

yeah

[onyx sinew]

Which is why copycat doesn't need anything rn

[gray relic]

get out

[modest barn]

nah

dribble move

and versatility

[lucid tinsel]

What is top 2 then

[barren finch]

yeah but without his copies like when vsing and with 5 perfections it falls apart real quick

[modest barn]

emperor?

[barren finch]

u dont know how much u need the copy moves until u dont have them

[lucid tinsel]

Uhh

K

[modest barn]

the only way to counter emperor is clutch btw

[barren finch]

without copy moves copycat goes from S tier to B easily

[modest barn]

which is actually really cool

[gray relic]

top 1 emperor top 2 copy

[modest barn]

yesyes

[lucid tinsel]

His shooting move counters emperor's reach?

[gray relic]

nah still a tier

[onyx sinew]

He remains at A his dribble is a free 3

[modest barn]

pressure defense

pretty cool

weakest style can counter the best style

[barren finch]

not rly if enemies r competent and have an ability

[modest barn]

and on a lower cd

[barren finch]

sure if its vs 3 bbg its free 3

cuz no defense

[onyx sinew]

Jackpot steal counters emperor's reach aswell

[modest barn]

nicee

[barren finch]

but teams usually have atleast 1 defensive ability to stop the dribble

[modest barn]

great to hear that the best style still has countees

counters*

[gray relic]

gotta have a cat reflexes or be spamming it close your tm8 with the ball

[onyx sinew]

Dribble back three times, flow step + burst to rim free 2 or just flow step to the corner a copycat will be doing either of these 90% of the time

[modest barn]

easiest 3

[barren finch]

usin allat for a 2

not worth

[onyx sinew]

One skill?

[barren finch]

yes

[modest barn]

it’s one skill…

[onyx sinew]

Um okay I guess points aren't points now

[barren finch]

imo u can use it to get a three unless ur facing rly good ppl

[modest barn]

and copycat is still better than bbg for this

[barren finch]

sure if ur going against a perfect enemy team go for the guarantee

but imagine ur only move is only useful for 1 2p every minute

and still calling it A tier

atp ur better off playing sniper

[onyx sinew]

?

Insane reach but go off

[barren finch]

i dont see how thats a reach

u lit said its a guarantee 2

and likely 3

[onyx sinew]

Nothing on Sniper is guaranteed though unless we're counting ult (which means we should count copycat ult aswell)

[barren finch]

yeah but ull have atleast 2 abilities to try and score with

quick release being pretty good for 2s imo

[onyx sinew]

How is this working against the "perfect enemy team" you described

[barren finch]

not

[onyx sinew]

Okay then

[barren finch]

im js saying its more fun to play

than 1 move every minute

isnt that what the game is all about

[golden sparrow]

This style needs a buff

[onyx sinew]

"more fun to play the style with no guarantees than the style with a guarantee"

[barren finch]

yeah

[onyx sinew]

Okie dokie

[barren finch]

imo having more oppertunities is a lot more fun than having something ur sure of

otherwise the game turns into math

if u like counting abilities im not gonna bash u for it but its not my cup of tea

[onyx sinew]

The game already is math with emperor of existing

I'm just saying how it is

[barren finch]

why does everyone bring up emperor randomly

everyone alr knows hes broken

[onyx sinew]

Then why are you trying to downplay how narrow the playstyle of this game is now currently?

[barren finch]

because itll be fixed probably

put a global cd on reach

maybe a bit longer cooldowns

done

[onyx sinew]

Until then

The game is math

[barren finch]

nerfing emperor might be the one thing EVERYONE agrees on

so itll def happen next update

[onyx sinew]

We all said this last update

Instead we got bbg

And very minor bug fixes

We can't really count on anything

[lucid tinsel]

I think styles must be more fun to use instead of being op and ruin other styles

[onyx sinew]

This isn't a surprise but some people find that concept of being op and ruining other people's experience fun

[mossy hawk]

imo giant is balanced and pretty fun, love it

but there are others such as ace which is so boring imo

[lucid tinsel]

Agreed

[mossy hawk]

bbg is a mid between op and fun

cause 1st ability is fun but 2nd is like nah bro

awk its so good and the best one yet, but base is like ace

[barren finch]

bbg will suck to make fun and balance because

its so strong in 2v2

but just decent in 3v3

[lone wedge]

bbg with offball and defensive moves might be a lil op

[mossy hawk]

ye kinda

[mossy hawk]

and it needs to be bro cause its limited and 0.25

[lone wedge]

no??

[mossy hawk]

a lot of people thought it was op and waste like 200 lucky spins just to get that

[mossy hawk]

atleast a defending or offbal one of them, or fix the 2nd ability to make it like emp dribble

[lone wedge]

we don't need another style like emperor

[mossy hawk]

not that broken but alteast better than star cause rn it isnt

[lone wedge]

bbg by itself is already fun to use unless your defense is completely trash

[spice lintel]

Thank you, the style is fun that’s what a limited style should be

[lone wedge]

stop trying to rely on the overpowered skills that play the game for you

[spice lintel]

Just buff it a bit cause it could use it but basketball god is perfectly usable and really fun

[mossy hawk]

ye alr but atleast fix 2nd ability

[spice lintel]

What’s wrong with it

[lone wedge]

shammgod?

[mossy hawk]

ye, u dont know where u goin

[mossy hawk]

sometimes u go backwards and sometimes forwhard

[lone wedge]

mango if we can CONTROL the direction of a move that has the potential to go fullcourt

that's

way too op

[onyx sinew]

That's not a good solution

[mossy hawk]

reduce the lenght and make it controllable

thats it

[onyx sinew]

"Hey we gave you this skill you shouldn't be able to control it though"

[lone wedge]

would make it unreliable im ngl

[gray relic]

skill issue

[mossy hawk]

you use shamgod mid court go backward use 3 dribbles and then get lost fr

[lone wedge]

shammgod allows me to escape annoying skills like emps ultimate defense

[lone wedge]

it might seem crazy what im about to say

but you can pass in basketball

[onyx sinew]

Again a bad response

[spice lintel]

I mean I haven’t seen it despite all the basketball gods I’ve seen but yeah that sucks

[onyx sinew]

Basically just told bro "your skill didn't go forward welp too bad just pass"

[mossy hawk]

ye but i mean if all ur tm are behind someone what do u do

[lone wedge]

if the devs keep adding styles that let you play alone against 5 people how fun would that be

[onyx sinew]

That's not the point here the point is the skill is janky

[mossy hawk]

ye but atleast make a good style imo

people wasted 200 lucky spins and even 1m yen to get that mid thing

[lone wedge]

it's not mandatory lmao

[mossy hawk]

emperor is the example same rarity and op, this one is not even good its mid

[lone wedge]

guhhh i wasted all my money for something i WANTED to get and did by myself!!!

the pain of consumerism!!!

[barren finch]

"this style is broke so mine should be too"

no just nerf emp

[mossy hawk]

what u yappin abt

[barren finch]

power creep

[mossy hawk]

i mean alr but bbg not even op and not even good, hes MID

[barren finch]

would u rather play a game where only emp and bbg are useful or one where every style is

[mossy hawk]

make it good but not broken

[lone wedge]

emperor is just broken and unfun

[spice lintel]

Ok but if you make basketball god at the level emperor is now it’s just unfair to anyone who doesn’t have it (or if they do have it now they will for sure never roll it off)

[mossy hawk]

AM I SAYING

DO IT TO THE LEVEL OF EMPEROR

that happened with perfection but atleast make it good not broken like emp

[barren finch]

exactly and new players wont join cuz of the limitedness

@mossy hawk btw have u used bbg in 2v2

[mossy hawk]

sure and its very op but man on normal server and on 3v3 its mid

[barren finch]

ok but the options u provide would make it even better in 2v2

just let it be a strong style in 2v2 and decent in 3v3

we got an extra style slot, keep bbg for 2v2, get something else for 3v3

[spice lintel]

I think basketball god can use some cd tweaks and the ironing of bugs but that’s about it the style does what it does really well, I don’t see how else you would buff it without it being broken or giving it another move

[spice lintel]

It’s so annoying in 2s man

[barren finch]

yea

[mossy hawk]

control shamgod thats it

[barren finch]

the bbg zone is even worse in 2v2

[barren finch]

u alr kinda can i think

i saw a clip of someone using it to go forward

[spice lintel]

Honestly I think that’s fine, if it isn’t just make the initial take slightly longer so you can react, but if you predict it you can still stop it from instantly getting a free point

It’s different than a normal dribble cause even if you quickstep drive someone 2 other people can still stop you

Shammgod can send you so far it can just give a free 3 pointer if the one guy defending you can keep up

[mossy hawk]

in conclusion it needs a lil buff to make it better but not as broken as emp

[spice lintel]

Yeah that’s why I agree

[golden sparrow]

Damn guys you cooking

[spice lintel]

It’s still a really nice change of pace, no off the ball moves or instant blocks that take no skill

[golden sparrow]

W conversation

[barren finch]

yeah im kinda tired of styles that do everything

[mossy hawk]

buff a lil bbg NERF EMPEROR AND PERFECTION

thats it

[barren finch]

i get a good all rounder but all rounders shouldnt be the best at everything

[onyx sinew]

Should of ended at Intercept

[hasty fern]

I don't want them to make limited styles better then emp because it's kinda you didn't play way back when now you loss

[barren finch]

yeah same

[spice lintel]

Perfection made the most sense and after the nerfs they did it well cause it’s good but not broken

[barren finch]

make them good but not broken

[lone wedge]

perfection is literally crippled now

[barren finch]

it shouldnt feel like limiteds are ever meta

[lone wedge]

the dribble isn't even reliable

[civic eagle]

Fr

[mossy hawk]

imo limited styles should be so broken for 5 days then get nerfed and go to miracle, so that people that wasnt able to be ther dosent get injustice

[onyx sinew]

Half court 3 is still tuff though

[spice lintel]

Intercept is so powercrept it’s not even funny even when it dropped it was pretty ok

[mossy hawk]

but idk that would be hard to control

[lone wedge]

tuff and slow

you do a perf dribble outside the paint and they already know wyd and have a second to walk and jump

[civic eagle]

Isn't he buffed

[lone wedge]

emp's ultimate pass is like

wayyy better

[wet trail]

this works, its just that I missed

you can see how its a free 3

[fleet pike]

when they release that style

[mossy hawk]

only in cellphone?

[wet trail]

it works anywhere

[mossy hawk]

how to do it

[wet trail]

you look to the right infront of someone

[edgy jackal]

Sont buff him, just nerf emperor

If they HAD to change anything rework the dunk into a dash off the ball

[neon zephyr]

which is why i said "which is even at this point only needs so little with how good those styles are" if you couldnt read.

thats why i was wondering why they're asking for a buff.

[edgy jackal]

Emperor is so good its the only reason people complain abt the limiteds

It genuinely ruins the balancing of the whole game

[modest barn]

you don’t HAVE more opportunities especially with bbg

[modest barn]

It’s why we need a new move, not a buff

[fresh sluice]

Ngl hes good idk what people dont like the dribble move is nice once you learn how to do it and your a walking free 2 points

[modest barn]

Then what?

what happens after that?

you’re useless on defense against style with spacing abilities

[hexed vale]

PLSS buff him

[modest barn]

because you only get one possession per made basket

[hexed vale]

He’s good but doesn’t live up to him name

[modest barn]

exactly brotha

Put it like this

[hexed vale]

ALL HE NEEDS A BLOCKING ABILITY

[distant veldt]

no

yall keep saying that he needs a defense ability

its an offense style bro

how the hell do yall not comprehend that

[modest barn]

Emperor vs BBG

• Offense
  BBG wins right? One extremely large gap move and one difficult to block move
  but once that’s been used and the possession is yours then you’ll have no real function
  So now get this, even if you do a three using shamgod you can still be blocked by Emperor
  which leads me to case 2
• Emperor makes a shot
  -BBG has possession
• Emperor uses reach and takes possession
• Emperor makes another shot

ez 4-5-6 points

Simply because of a defense ability Emperor has a higher value of 1 tier up more than BBG

if every other style is A tier below you now have Emperor which is an S tier alone

[distant veldt]

shammgod gets out of reach range what are we talking about

[modest barn]

hell no it dont

we’re talking in a team match

[distant veldt]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-laughing-flight-flightreacts-funny-laughing-gif-17836958681365484113

[modest barn]

nobody is playing BBG in a high level scrim

it’s just dumb

[neon zephyr]

me when the style has no free steal or block

[modest barn]

no defense moves for only one possession

it’s useless

[neon zephyr]

https://tenor.com/view/dave-blunts-hopeful-sipping-something-nodding-sipping-gif-16602784755186825980

[modest barn]

it doesn’t NEED a steal or block

it needs an ability that closes the gap

because one possession is equal a point for any skilled player

[wet trail]

doesnt shammgod do just that

[distant veldt]

thats if there isnt a defender thats as good

[modest barn]

On the ball?

[wet trail]

how else are you gonna use shammgod

[modest barn]

Hell no, a defender in high level can’t defend pump fakes because it’s so easy to fake it

[modest barn]

you can’t use shamgod off the ball

do you understand what close the gap means

it means somebody who’s far away is too far to run to

[wet trail]

in terms of basketball no

[modest barn]

so you use an ability to close the gap

[distant veldt]

what kinda high level players have you been against if they fall for pumpfakes

😭

[modest barn]

Exactly??

[neon zephyr]

ts basketball god kinda mid

[distant veldt]

idk dude

looks mid to me

[modest barn]

that’s why in high level pump fakes passes and positioning is what’s important

[modest barn]

me when I value a style based on a broken buggy game mode:

[neon zephyr]

when im winning in a buggy match that is mostly against our favor i think that says alot

i cant tell you the amount of times my ball went to the enemy due to pass bugs

[modest barn]

It’s against EVERYONE’s favor because Basketball God was made for the gamemode

[neon zephyr]

but win anyway

but aye

i guess bbg is bad

[modest barn]

in 5v5 it’s different

the style is so terrible in scrims nobody uses him

the only real reason you’d use it over something like Giant is if your opponents are idiots

and Giant has a useless 2 pointer aswell, no good Giant player is using his second ability to dribble

[distant veldt]

me when i detemine a styles value based on a gamemode that a select few people play

[neon zephyr]

ngl guys i agree give it a free block and steal so i can easily get to champion!!!

now i dont need to press space anymore

[modest barn]

Isn’t that what this dude said @neon zephyr

[distant veldt]

no thats what you said

[modest barn]

no it ain’t

because scrims are 5v5s

that’s the base game

[modest barn]

that’s not a gamemode that’s the default

[modest barn]

It is a broken buggy game mode that a select few people play?

[pearl parrot]

Huh? Why?
He's already decent

[distant veldt]

realistically who plays 5v5s properly

[modest barn]

because you’re gonna win no matter what using a style made for 2v2

[distant veldt]

unless youre in a league which

[modest barn]

High level players?

[distant veldt]

then again a select few people play

[modest barn]

mfw I’m a bum so I can’t play without thinking

[distant veldt]

sure

[modest barn]

decently mid

yall still don’t get it

2 moves that guarantee a score isn’t better than a move that guarantees a possession

[neon zephyr]

let us remove his shammgod and give him free steal and block1!!1

[distant veldt]

im pretty sure decent means mid

[neon zephyr]

make it like emperor or giant!

[distant veldt]

idk tho

[neon zephyr]

[modest barn]

give bbg a dash and bam he’s atleast better than flash

bumass

[distant veldt]

doesnt need one icl

[neon zephyr]

nahhh the bbg mains not gonna like that

[modest barn]

imagine being worse than a legendary style

[pearl parrot]

Hmm

[modest barn]

holy

[neon zephyr]

it has to be free steal!

free block!

[modest barn]

me when Im stupid:

reading comprehension of a squirrel

[distant veldt]