Emperor Nerfs | Completed!

[wide pike]

thought u meant that as in he was insanely broken but after the nerfs he's more like kunigami

or isagi

[vestal cradle]

Yeah isagi is bad to

Wait

Which

[dawn depot]

Ankle Breaks my favorite thing to do, Dunks are least favorite.

[vestal cradle]

Comparing Emp to default isagi is wild

[wide pike]

nah lol nel isagi

[vestal cradle]

Honestly nerf sniper then give him only to me 🙂

[vestal cradle]

Ok I was finna say

😭

I traded away sniper after literally stoping a the logo and shooting everything

I feel like a idiot

I wish someone could gift me 🫩

[nocturne sigil]

Whos the real tatlis

kk

so

No devs can get @‘ed

@neat terrace

oh

[neat terrace]

hello

[nocturne sigil]

Whoaa

Hi dev

do u devs check suggestions..

[vestal cradle]

Yo bro I have a Lot ideas bro

Can I dump on you

[nocturne sigil]

Everyone does

[vestal cradle]

I don’t want to overwhelm but I have a wild ideas 😭

[neat terrace]

i do 😼

[vestal cradle]

I wish I could’ve got a the limited perfect cell

[nocturne sigil]

do u really…

because if u do

i didnt mean anything i said against devs❤️

[vestal cradle]

I’m going to make 3 style ideas before I go to bed

[neat terrace]

wow really

[nocturne sigil]

yeah

weow

this persons cool..

[nocturne sigil]

May i ask u a few questions

[vestal cradle]

Oh you’re the lead developer

[naive wigeon]

suggestions circlejerk 😭

[neat terrace]

whats up

[naive wigeon]

oh wow a dev

[vestal cradle]

Is this rare to see?

[nocturne sigil]

1 since ur like a lead developer do u give ideas and add them or do the owners give u the idea and u do ur stuff and add them 2 the game

[naive wigeon]

pretty rare, i’d say

[vestal cradle]

I think it’s the 2nd option 🫩

Unfortunately

There are a lot of good thinkers

[naive wigeon]

the only dev i ever saw here wasn’t even in charge of the gameplay; they did the vfx

[naive wigeon]

suggestions circlejerk has gotten out of hand lately

im sorry i had to say it vro 😭

[nocturne sigil]

oh good golly

I lost what i wanted 2 ask

What the aura of a dev does 2 u

[vestal cradle]

He’s gone guys

[nocturne sigil]

I feel his aura

Hes here trustp

[naive wigeon]

ts

[nocturne sigil]

Its fading

[vestal cradle]

He’s gone 🫩

So much for Mr head dev

[nocturne sigil]

I had one chance..

😔

[naive wigeon]

go to the QA server for a better chance of talking to a dev

[nocturne sigil]

Suggestion and answer server

[dawn depot]

Just saw some dude talking about how Chrollo is above God and Jesus Christ. 😭

I'm not even religious but these dudes are crazy.

[lavish anchor]

aw hell nah

[wide pike]

allo

[wide pike]

sorta they usually check these but dont spea

only time i've spoken to one was when i used to be on something and thought jp steal needed a buff

[lavish anchor]

the last time most people have spoken to devs was

the jp update

probably the last time they cared

[wide pike]

nah im pretty sure they read this stuff

[lavish anchor]

or at least chrollo

[neat shuttle]

unblockable 3s are crazy

[lavish anchor]

a lot of people are

sauteéd if thats the case

most of suggestion discussions is just chrollo or dev slander 😭

[wide pike]

my only reasoning is that they sometimes respond and that the changes sometimes get added like emp, pressure, blink

[lavish anchor]

ngl

thats cool and all but most suggestions want the game to be balanced

that has never been achieved 😭

[neat terrace]

its not so much as give and add more like adjust and change
also im not often adding things to the game im more on the other side 😎

[neat shuttle]

chrollo and devs gotta be ignoring ts

i see so many peak suggestions to actually balance the game but the best chrollo gives us is a half-baked nerf for emperor

[lavish anchor]

ngl

this is probably better than nothing

[stable sable]

We need a job application style

[lavish anchor]

the nerf for emperor is actually

nice

[neat shuttle]

chrollo would rather nerf phantom than lay a finger on his daddy emperor apparently 💔

[lavish anchor]

the only thing ion like is them doubling down on broken styles

[wide pike]

fr the passing aspect was def the worst part about it

[lavish anchor]

😭

[neat shuttle]

we shouldnt have to settle for “better than nothing” though

[stable sable]

Nerf his money maker? ✌️

[lavish anchor]

i mean at first it was just

[wide pike]

and the vfx will make for a huge change

[lavish anchor]

a global cooldown

which is a band aid fix

now its only on shots + indicator

[wide pike]

yea

thats like

[neat terrace]

the game will be balanced if that wasnt obvious - just a matter of when (im going to open applications for a feedback team) that people would be able to apply for and give feedback / balance suggestions

[neat shuttle]

they should honestly replace reach entirely, it isnt salvageable

[lavish anchor]

thats a nice nerf

[wide pike]

a huge deal

[lavish anchor]

imo

[wide pike]

makes it sooo much more less braindead

[lavish anchor]

theres general counterplay now

[wide pike]

whats half-baked about it?

reach is no longer a 10/10 move

there are still a lotta great dribble moves

but this is roblox

[nocturne sigil]

xd

[wide pike]

its not like everything will get super balanced

this the best possible scenario

[lavish anchor]

the nerfs for reach definitely make it balanced

[neat shuttle]

reach and abilities like it shouldnt exist in general

if a style makes a key aspect of the game useless/irrelevant, whats the point in keeping it?

[lavish anchor]

it shouldnt

but

[neat shuttle]

you cant balance an autointercept

[lavish anchor]

we cant do anything about it

[wide pike]

anyways bye bye i gotta go

[lavish anchor]

this is the best case scenario

the devs mostly just settle for gcd and range nerf

this is unironically a good nerf to reach

[neat shuttle]

he’s fully willing to remove pressure from gold but wont do the same for emperor which i genuinely dont get

[lavish anchor]

only working on shots along with an indicator opens up general counterplay

[lavish anchor]

probably because its easier

[neat shuttle]

but it shouldnt work on shots at all

thats the thing

[lavish anchor]

pressure is just

recoded pressure defense

[lavish anchor]

passes happen more often than shots do so its reasonable

[neat shuttle]

shooting the ball is interceptable if you have skill

doing stuff like faking out around an emperor is useless

wheres the skill in that?

[lavish anchor]

either way it has an indicator

so

if you see an emp

post nerf

just pass

[nocturne sigil]

the only unblockable shot is void

Which is a awk ability

[lavish anchor]

im just saying

im almost never on board with the games decisions but the nerfs for emperor are actually decent

[neat shuttle]

im glad emperor is being nerfed but trying to keep reach is like trying to revive a horse that’s been dead for a week

[lavish anchor]

its just how it goes

[nocturne sigil]

whats emperor is even getting nerfed

likee

[lavish anchor]

reach

[nocturne sigil]

whats gonna happen 2 it

[lavish anchor]

so

its only gonna work on shots

[nocturne sigil]

How do u merf a auto intercept

Oh

[lavish anchor]

and will have an indicator

so

you can tell when theyre coming

and the general counterplay is to pass

so now you dont gotta equip like

one of 3 styles

[nocturne sigil]

Weoeee

lowk

Remove chrollo vs tatlis and add mibuchi

itll be so fun

[lavish anchor]

man id love to be in that feedback team

[neat shuttle]

im not trying to be ungrateful or anything but its frustrating how one style has been a very prominent issue ever since its creation, hasnt been nerfed until announcements ab it just now, and the nerfs dont get rid of the main problem and only mitigate it

[lavish anchor]

a lot of people would

[lavish anchor]

that is true

but its much easier to play against now

after the nerf i mean

[neat shuttle]

it is, but im sure that the next two styles will just revive the same issue

[lavish anchor]

as per usual

[neat terrace]

join the qa server (applications will be posted there first)

[lavish anchor]

i see thanks

[nocturne sigil]

Can u send inv pls

[lavish anchor]

yo what is that emoji 😭

[nocturne sigil]

Nvm

[neat shuttle]

i get the idea that emperor is probably great for making money but id much rather a playable game than a dull cash grab

went from basketball zero to emperor zero 😔

[lavish anchor]

unfortunately

the latter is what chrollo is aiming for

like as much as i dislike the games direction rn

we just simply aint the target audience

if anything we are in the minority

[neat shuttle]

unfortunate

[topaz sigil]

buff giant to miracle and make him 7ft ingame 🙂

[neat shuttle]

giant is fine as is (underpowered but going around buffing stuff is only gonna make the game worse)

i dont think chrollo understands how to balance his own styles

[topaz sigil]

half court snatch block when?

[lavish anchor]

that would be evident yes

have you seen the short

he recently released

[neat shuttle]

yeah

[lavish anchor]

the upcoming styles are apparently the most broken so far and his way of balancing it is

making them limited

[vestal cradle]

Yo guys I just made a style for pain in suggestions

[lavish anchor]

idk how the hell that works ngl

[nocturne sigil]

[vestal cradle]

Wait wym

[vestal cradle]

Don’t look at me like that

[neat shuttle]

holy bro 💔

[vestal cradle]

I got bored so I just did it

[neat shuttle]

chrollo just doesnt learn

[lavish anchor]

he really doesnt

lol

[vestal cradle]

What did he do this time?

[lavish anchor]

uh

the usual

lmao

[neat shuttle]

chrollo and tatlis styles are gonna be the most unbalanced of all the styles apparently

[vestal cradle]

So self glaze 🫩

[neat shuttle]

only downside is that theyre limited (which isnt even a balance)

[neat shuttle]

yeah, chrollo got tired of riding emperor and decided to make his own style so he could ride himself instead

[nocturne sigil]

This isnt basketball anymore

[neat shuttle]

basketball zero to braindead zero its so cooked

[nocturne sigil]

i hate that we r complaining but we r still gonna play the game

[vestal cradle]

It stopped at perfect cell tbh, even tho there is that one meme of cell on the magic

[lavish anchor]

im probably not gonna

play for a few weeks

their reason for making it busted is because

its based on them

[stable sable]

Money

[lavish anchor]

and because theyre aura farming

also money

yeah

[stable sable]

No, it’s all about the money

[nocturne sigil]

i wish i can c word

[neat shuttle]

im already ready to quit, im trying to hold out hope chrollo will learn but i doubt it

[naive wigeon]

i read that recently

gave me an aneurysm

[vestal cradle]

The game is just unbalanced and a little bit buggy that’s my only issue with it

[neat shuttle]

also the fact theyre releasing specific forms for suggestions and suggesting balances shows that they are reading any of the stuff we send here

[lavish anchor]

we been doing this since perfection

truly a sisyphean tale

[neat shuttle]

they dont care about this suggestion channel at all

[naive wigeon]

just join a league bro

[vestal cradle]

Personally I liked perfect cell

🙃

[naive wigeon]

they somewhat care, but not enough about the actually important things

[neat shuttle]

we can keep trying and trying to get chrollo to understand his game needs to be balanced, to be bug-fixed, etc etc, but he doesnt care about our suggestions at all and just wants to make whatever style is the least balanced and grabs the most cash

[vestal cradle]

Chrollo might add a David Martinez from cyber punk

[neat shuttle]

i know, but that wouldnt be enough to keep me around

[vestal cradle]

Ik im just saying

[neat shuttle]

this game is utterly cooked

[vestal cradle]

It’s no longer about basketball so we can just go crazy on suggestions

[neat shuttle]

because the creator cares more about money than the actual mechanics

[lethal heath]

Tomorrow is the upd right

[vestal cradle]

I had ideas for styles based of nba players

[lethal heath]

I except to see a chrollo/tatlis style nerfs

[vestal cradle]

I think so

[lethal heath]

Suggestion

Tomorrow

[lavish anchor]

we should

and we will see them for weeks or even months

[neat shuttle]

its their styles, they arent nerfing it

[lavish anchor]

they were hesitant on nerfing emperor

theyre probably not gonna nerf these at all because

its them

[neat shuttle]

took them weeks to nerf it (and the nerf was only mitigating the problem, not removing it)

[lavish anchor]

and its limited

[neat shuttle]

yep

because that makes it any better

[lethal heath]

And everyone is gonna have them

Because of afk world

[topaz sigil]

boys get ready to buy 10,000 lucky spins for chrollo or tatlis style 🥀

[neat shuttle]

this game is so cooked

[lavish anchor]

i am not giving chrollo a dime of my money

[topaz sigil]

probably wont be enough to get the styles ngl

[radiant karma]

This might actually be the reality after the sneaks

[lethal heath]

Maybe they will make them 0.1s or something

[naive wigeon]

you don’t need to if you have 10 alt accounts 🤑

[lavish anchor]

word

[topaz sigil]

yeah buddy you are not getting chrollo with anything below 400 spins so get ready to make 100 alts

[naive wigeon]

10 alts is an easy 500 lucky spins every two weeks

[nocturne sigil]

chrollo style is gonna be 0.10 precent

[neat shuttle]

cant wait for chrollo to release the new wave of unbalanced abilities and then blatantly ignore suggestions to balance it for the next couple months 💔

[nocturne sigil]

if u click it 10.10precent

Because wasnt he crying on loki’s rates

[vestal cradle]

WATCH IT BECOME THE NEW NEL RIN LOL

I bet everyone is going to have it

I just bet bro

[topaz sigil]

can't believe we might get a full court dunk ability one day

[vestal cradle]

And I also bet that it’s going to be the downfall of the game

[nocturne sigil]

Ranked is gonna be 3 tatlis styles vs 3 chrillos

[nocturne sigil]

theres still 10 yr old’s spamming in general i dont think so

[vestal cradle]

Emperor is going to become obsolete

[neat shuttle]

yall think id get banned or punished for pinging chrollo here?

[topaz sigil]

noooo surely that cant happen

[lavish anchor]

you cant

the auto mod deletes the ping

im pretty sure they guy just doesnt care anyway

[neat shuttle]

rip

[lavish anchor]

it confuses me a lot

when chrollo says he doesnt want the game to be unbalanced

why keep releasing busted styles

[neat shuttle]

oh it does block it

[neat shuttle]

because hes clearly lying and running out of ideas

[hazy vigil]

He said he doesn't want the game to be "super unbalanced"

[neat shuttle]

it is though

[hazy vigil]

His words not mine

[neat shuttle]

gold and emperor dominate every game, it isnt Basketball Zero anymore its G&E Zero

[lavish anchor]

its gonna be chrollo and tatlis zero next update

lol

[neat shuttle]

soon itll be Chrollo and Tatlis styles that dominate every game

yeah

[vestal cradle]

Definitely

[lavish anchor]

i kid you not

ive actually been in multiple servers

where its just golds and emps

[neat shuttle]

it doesnt let me anyway

[neat shuttle]

yep

[lavish anchor]

i thought it was an exaggeration

it wasnt

it really wasnt

[neat shuttle]

doesnt let me ping tatlis either

[vestal cradle]

I’m really upset for the hate miro get

I still play blr

[lavish anchor]

miro aint much better but he at least tries to balance

[hazy vigil]

Did he make release loki?

[lavish anchor]

yeah

[hazy vigil]

Yea no he's not much better

That kit had everything

[vestal cradle]

He kinda just started

[neat shuttle]

crazy how thats the minimum now (and chrollo fails to do it 💀)

[lavish anchor]

#DOBETTERM

[vestal cradle]

The main problem is the hitboxes, and bugs which happened when chrollo was there

[lavish anchor]

truly a spectacle

tells miro to do better but somehow releases an update that rivals miros stupidity

[vestal cradle]

He’s not really good tbh but he shouldn’t be getting death threats for a game

😭

[lavish anchor]

i dont think chrollo is any better than miro is

[neat shuttle]

#DOBETTERC

chrollo gotta fix this game or everything is cooked

[neat shuttle]

ong

[vestal cradle]

I feel like he’s gonna sell it

[lavish anchor]

ngl i feel bad for homie

[vestal cradle]

He’s going through it

Can’t even search up blr on tik tok without getting hate videos

[lavish anchor]

its better for his wellbeing icl

lets just hope he sells it to a dev that cares

[vestal cradle]

Sell it to a battle grounds game dev

Better animation

Better characters

[misty radish]

that is

[lavish anchor]

imo

[misty radish]

not an improvement

[lavish anchor]

the pinnacle of balance

of a balanced sports game

i mean

is ubg

amazing system

[misty radish]

Does ubg even update anymore

[vestal cradle]

Yes

[misty radish]

I haven't heard stuff from them at all

[neat shuttle]

nah its been getting bad recently

[vestal cradle]

Every blue moon

They don’t update a whole lot

We have Sukuna

[misty radish]

The last thing I heard was Sukuna and he's the most boring sukuna I've seen ever

[vestal cradle]

The game would be better in my opinion if they have battle grounds animations

[simple falcon]

UBG’s balancing?

[vestal cradle]

HBG

[misty radish]

I don't think

it needs the umbrella of BG animation

[neat shuttle]

their bugs

[nocturne sigil]

All of my recent photos is abt this bs automod

[misty radish]

for a game that's just anime basketball

[simple falcon]

Maybe it’s cuz I’ve been a while since I played my wonderful counter. But what bugs?

[vestal cradle]

Only real problem I’ve had with battle grounds game is hitbox, and my move not registering

[lavish anchor]

the random zesty lightskin knb ending card in the middle LMAOO

[vestal cradle]

Battle grounds devs don’t update often as well 😭

You gotta get someone like hero’s battle grounds

[nocturne sigil]

Its my lockscreen❤️

[vestal cradle]

Probably the best bg game out rn

[simple falcon]

…we’re talking about battle grounds games?

[neat shuttle]

its a lot laggier than it used to be and ive heard a ton of complaints about it recently, especially from friends who actively play

[misty radish]

UBG's update history feels worst than TSB

TSB has atleast updated recently, when the hell did Sukuna come out?

[simple falcon]

Which UBG?

[lavish anchor]

untitled boxing game isnt a battlegrounds game

idk what theyre

on about

😭

[misty radish]

who the hell was bringing up untitled boxing game?

[simple falcon]

They’re talking battle grounds game and that’s what’s confusing me

[simple falcon]

UBG

[neat shuttle]

lowk might make a suggestion titled #DOBETTERC

[hazy vigil]

Ultimate BattleGrounds probably

[misty radish]

We're talking about Ultimate Battlegrounds fool

UBG

[vestal cradle]

That’s what I thought

[lavish anchor]

i brought up ubg first and i was talkong about untitled

[vestal cradle]

That’s a bad example though

[simple falcon]

Bbbrruuuhhh

[lavish anchor]

🤦

[vestal cradle]

There are so many good ones

[misty radish]

I don't even touch untitled boxing

[simple falcon]

We were talking about how Untitled Boxing Game has good balancing between its rarities and styles

[hazy vigil]

Misunderstanding

Oh well

[simple falcon]

Yeah

[vestal cradle]

When it comes to balancing with bg games it’s 50/50

[misty radish]

when it comes to balancing anything, its mainly subjective

a person's view on what balanced is can be different from another one

[nocturne sigil]

I love that in questions channel its always ghe same dudes mini modding and answering every question

[simple falcon]

Isn’t that most servers?

[feral jetty]

Fr😭

[vestal cradle]

I like this response

[lavish anchor]

shoutout to the dudes in questions

[misty radish]

anyways, praise to the jingoat

[lavish anchor]

idk how yall aint insane yet

[nocturne sigil]

For all the dogs that r active in suggestions❤️

[misty radish]

I could literally make every style equal to one another

none of them counter each other

[nocturne sigil]

when i was a kid i was a top bunk

[misty radish]

it just depends on the player

but there'll still be the people

who say

thats unbalanced

[vestal cradle]

I don’t want to say that’s impossible but

[misty radish]

or thats overbalanced

[nocturne sigil]

and i always used 2 drop plushies and teddies on my little brother on the bottom bunk

Bahahahsbbssbdbdhshsjsksjsjsksosn

[vestal cradle]

It depends what game you’re balancing out

[misty radish]

No matter what you do, there's gonna be multiple parties

you just gotta side with the biggest one

[hazy vigil]

Peak too bad they update every three months

[vestal cradle]

Can’t make everyone happy

[misty radish]

what am i looking at

[hazy vigil]

Bakugo

[vestal cradle]

What game

[misty radish]

yeah, what game

[vestal cradle]

That’s not heros is it?

[viral seal]

just went against the most cancerous team

[hazy vigil]

Forgot the name

[viral seal]

2 emperor, one gold, one lock

[vestal cradle]

Emperor

[vestal cradle]

LOLLL

[viral seal]

you are NOT making any proper passes

[vestal cradle]

IK IT

[misty radish]

mann, get that lock outta here

bro think hes part of the team

[hazy vigil]

Lock is just suppose to catch you off guard probably

[vestal cradle]

For sure

Lock doesn’t really do anything

It’s easy to score on them

Guys

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1385449842783944816 go give me input on my idea pretty please

[nocturne sigil]

general chat itself tells u how bad the server mods r

💔

[lavish anchor]

general is

actually rotting my brain

[nocturne sigil]

Mods fault

Dont blame them

One million brainless kids😭

[vestal cradle]

The general chat is actually annoying

[nocturne sigil]

I just saw a mod spam

🤦🏽‍♀️

[lavish anchor]

"we werent told to interfere unless theres major flooding"

buddy

THAT HAS BEEN GOING ON IN FRONT OF YOUR EYES BRO

😭

[nocturne sigil]

This is bs

i had 2 search for the message that was 1m ago

[restive needle]

i agree with this post its ridiculous out of like 10 rounds in 2v2 ranked me and my friend used emperor to see if its that good and we won 9 out of 10 rounds

[nocturne sigil]

This guy with the playboi carti pfp

😭

[severe parcel]

"debate me"

[lavish anchor]

yo

these chrollo fans gotta be 10 years old minimum

LMAOOO

[vestal cradle]

For a few hours now too

[vestal cradle]

…

[nocturne sigil]

This been going ever since i joined

[severe parcel]

aint it bedtime

why they still up

[vestal cradle]

Keep in mind chrollo is a normal dude like the rest of us 🫩

He’s just a game developer on Roblox

We’re treating him like he’s the reincarnation of Jesus bro

[severe parcel]

when they gon remove ranked

[nocturne sigil]

chrollos

A

BUM

[severe parcel]

i mean they js kids

its like that alien bs on gta

a few years ago

but like not interesting at all

[vestal cradle]

I want perfect cell

[nocturne sigil]

that was fun

oh god

Is this what older kids than us felt

[vestal cradle]

I’m finna design a style for dio

[severe parcel]

dont bother

its gonna be horrible

[nocturne sigil]

Harsh

[vestal cradle]

./.

[hazy vigil]

Imagine you get up as human and go on discord calling another living breathing human omniscient that's a little crazy no?

[nocturne sigil]

Very

half of these kids dont even know what that mean bruv

[severe parcel]

ik its some grown men in there

gotta be a few

[nocturne sigil]

the mods participating init

[misty radish]

thats how people work in general

[dawn depot]

If they ever drop tester apps, don’t even bother y’all. 💔

Anyone who’s actively used this thread is blacklisted and barred for life. 😭

[neat shuttle]

same thing is gonna happen when they drop suggester apps too (staff earlier said theyd have suggestion apps for people who wanna give suggestions for balancing)

which also proves they arent reading these if theyre making suggestion apps for “priority”

[vestal cradle]

I just quit blue lock rivals 😭

Genuinely unplayable

[marble compass]

This might be the first thread ive seen of someone talking about

emp passes

When everyone talks about how busted emp is,, its just the reach. but no the pass is just guaranteed points if the emp user isnt insanely bad

[vestal cradle]

Everyone got NEL rin, NEL isagi, Kaiser or Loki

[neat shuttle]

emp doesnt even need a pass

no clue what chrollo was smoking to warrant giving it one

fr just a combination of 8 different styles 💔

[marble compass]

We love emp pass giving you a free Sniper quickshot

but has 2x the range

And you can shoot when the guy isnt even facing the hoop

AND they can do it while they're dribbling

AND it has borderline 0 startup

[open portal]

NO

[marble compass]

This would've been fair if emp reach wasnt a thing

Because i can actually stop it with star leap

[open portal]

NO

[marble compass]

but wtv

Emp players are just carried

[open portal]

NU UH

THEY CARRY

[neat shuttle]

holy ten year old wth

so glad emp is being nerfed, even if the nerf itself doesnt get rid of the problem

[marble compass]

It still needs more nerf

Even though i can actually body slam them in an actual 1v1

but

There's no stopping them from farming off mutts on my team

[neat shuttle]

it does but chrollo isnt gonna nerf it more, bro clearly glazes emperor more than any other style

its tragic

[marble compass]

Gold gets a pressure move that only knocks the ball away and it doesnt guarantee ball control? REMOVE IT

Emp reach guarantees ball control regardless and it has a 10 yards worth of range? Global cooldown

Does absolutely nothing

[neat shuttle]

pressure and reach shouldve both been removed from the game

[marble compass]

not to say that golds bad or is mid, but like

Emp is clearly the problem, not gold

Pressure is somewhat counterable if you have good positioning

which 90% of the playerbase doesnt have

[neat shuttle]

gold is similar to perfection where even when they knock the ball out of your hands, its usually to your teammate or random for anyone to get

[marble compass]

It's only annoying doesnt completely guarantee a turn over

[neat shuttle]

emperor isnt counterable at all

[marble compass]

yh

[dapper jungle]

pressure isn't the problem with gold, his dribble is, it actually moves across the map, the only thing with that much distance is jackpot after you win a steal and a 1/3

[neat shuttle]

you cant even fakeout a reach because it has a 10 second cooldown

[marble compass]

Have someone guard the hoop

Now thats just your teamates

[neat shuttle]

it also, for some god awful reason, has AOE stun 💀

[dapper jungle]

in a 3v3 that just doesn't happen

[marble compass]

Thats just your teamates

Have a brain. Have good positioning

and Utility usage

and its shut downed

immediately

[dapper jungle]

it also has a 5 yard aoe stun, so even if you do have a hoop defender they'll probably get stunned

[dapper jungle]

so, have a 2v3 on offense always?

good idea yeah very fair

[marble compass]

You can have the defensive player assist

They can do that

Just dont go too deep

As i said before, Have a brain and good positioning

play your position correctly

[dapper jungle]

...

[marble compass]

Instead of picking left, right center and do whatever you want

[dapper jungle]

yeah you just are an entilted gold player

[marble compass]

Centers can contribute to attacking

and still stay on defense

Thats their role

[marble compass]

If your entire team gets stunned by a dribble

[dapper jungle]

entilted gold player trying to defend the most busted dribble move in the game

[marble compass]

Thats bad positioning.

You don't put two or more on one singular line

[dapper jungle]

it covers a 4th of the map

[marble compass]

you cover nothing

0 map control

There's too many styles that could counter

[dapper jungle]

it can travel from 3 point line to 3 point line

and has AOE stun

[marble compass]

Ace, Giant, Star, Emp, Gold

[marble compass]

No it doesn't

70% of the paint

thats about its limit

I can go ahead and test it n clip it if you want

This is the easiest debunk of my life

Hell even shorter

[marble compass]

Don't.put.more.than.one.person in the same spot for defense

Please, learn some game sense

[dapper jungle]

I apologise, it can go from about halfway from one 3 point line to the center line, to the opposite 3 point line

[marble compass]

This is like the equilvalent of public matches, ganging on someone and then they toss the ball to their free ally

[dapper jungle]

it does a zig zag and controls almost a quarter of the map

[marble compass]

No it doesn't

I can hard lockdown gold players

[dapper jungle]

then they aren't good

[marble compass]

I just know how to counter these

I never had a problem with Emp nor Gold, just my teamates

And i want them nerfed because of my teamates

[dapper jungle]

okay, they just stun one guy on defense and the other either gets stunned or doesn't have enough time to reach the gold player

[marble compass]

That would be

the other guy's fault

how are you guarding someone else and gets stunned by the other

Bad Positioning

[dapper jungle]

no it wouldn't be because the stun is 5 yards

[marble compass]

No its not

I can just send a clip to debunk ts

Just dont stand in a straight line from where they're looking

Its that simple

Look at their camera angle

[dapper jungle]

i've genuinely seen people get stunned as far as the width away in the middle circle

[marble compass]

They're bad.

The end.

[dapper jungle]

that's not being bad, it's a broken dribbling style

[marble compass]

As i've said before

90% of this game's community does not have good positioning

And i will always stand by this.

Never have i seen a player in this game that actually has basketball experience and plays properly

[dapper jungle]

Ace doesn't stun
Giant's has barely any distance and knocks you towards where he is going,
Star has endlag, meaning they can;t dribble nor does it stun
emp stuns at first then makes a tiny bit of distance and requires a little bit of skill

Gold can stun anyone within a humongous zone and leaves no room for counterplay outside of that

[marble compass]

Yh ace doesnt stun

thats why its easy to lock them down

hell I dont even need leaps for athletic fade

[dapper jungle]

this isn't real basketball, you can position yourself between two players and the ball can go through you cause they used a move

[marble compass]

Its not real basketball but the experience will get you somewhere

without styles even

You can pass a ball and potentially get blocked

I can pass a ball and never get blocked

movement.

[dapper jungle]

...

entitled gold player

[marble compass]

Idk why you're bringing rankings into this

Get 3 decent emp users for a ranked squad

[dapper jungle]

style*

[marble compass]

free diamond

I don't even use Gold

I am a Star/Giant Main

Or sniper

[dapper jungle]

then why are you defending his broken ahh dribble

[marble compass]

Assuming too much here, no?

[marble compass]

Because I personally have no problems with it

I can defend it

[dapper jungle]

cause you haven't gone up against a good gold player

[marble compass]

There are no good gold players.

[dapper jungle]

...

[marble compass]

Theres just the same ol mediocre typa players with just a freakier and random playstyles

I would absolutely like to say that this isnt a skill issue but like

[dapper jungle]

okay, imagine this situation, say it's the opposing teams possesion of the ball, they hand it off to the gold player, they dribble 3 times and get up to the 3 point line, one guy is guarding him, the other 2 can be doing literally anything else, and no matter what he can stun at least 1 guy, get a bunch of distance, either score cause the teammates are no where near his position, stun 2 guys cause one person is in range of it, aka. being anywhere near the 3 point line

[marble compass]

Just get good positioning and try to avoid it

Teamates are nowhere near his position

because they're bad

You should guarantee enough distance to cover assuming something goes wrong

That applies to litterally

every styles in this game

[jolly shale]

just goal tend with giant/star to counter gold

lol

[marble compass]

You either cover and hopefully block it, or you don't and get scored on

[dapper jungle]

it doesn't matter if they are near his position, to stop a fadeaway or left/right jump you actually need to be on the player

[marble compass]

theres plenty of ways to litterally guarantee a score without gold

Okay you wanna talk about ace

sure

Just look at the ball's handles

[dapper jungle]

not ace's fadeaway

[marble compass]

If its on their right, jump right, if its on their left, jump left

[dapper jungle]

the actual fade away, jumping backwards and scorinf

[marble compass]

You dont need to be on them to block it

at all.

Thats just

[jolly shale]

thats easy

[marble compass]

Lack of game sense.

[marble compass]

Thats

easy what

[jolly shale]

gold has like three choices

[marble compass]

are we serious

[jolly shale]

you'd already have teammates camping his fade

[marble compass]

^^^

[dapper jungle]

again, it is when you are on the player

[marble compass]

No

what

[dapper jungle]

lemme get out ms paint to show you then

[jolly shale]

his three is incredibly easy to counter

just like perfection

[marble compass]

Unless

[jolly shale]

if you know hes gonna do it

[marble compass]

ur playing an

[jolly shale]

its over

[marble compass]

ALL offensive styles

sure

but even things like copycat can defend

ace has a dash, Giant has leap, Copy cat and copy leaps, etc...

Gold has pressure, emp has reach

[jolly shale]

ace is actually really good

his fade is unpredictable when used with tech

[marble compass]

Like

[jolly shale]

and they made it faster too

[marble compass]

Idk what people are complaining about golds dribble

Like thats clearly

Not the problem with gold

They just cant position themselves correctly

[jolly shale]

maybe its just his stun

[marble compass]

ball chase, and get knocked down

[marble compass]

They're just trying to justify ball chasing

Is what im saying

[jolly shale]

tbh its over if theres no giant or star

[marble compass]

You should be punished for that

You can still

perfectionist that

or ace that

[wary forge]

Honestly

[marble compass]

You can insta block after ace dash btw

[wary forge]

I feel like tatlis was the one who made chuck

[jolly shale]

if the ace isn't stunned

[wary forge]

With that one sneak

[wary forge]

His stun is like 3 seconds and he's going to Brazil what am i supposed to do😭

[jolly shale]

if the devs really love the game they'll remove chrollo and tatlis style after set date

[wary forge]

Not like I have instinct dash or use ace

[marble compass]

Not get hit by the stun

?

Why are you on the guy

Just let someone man handle him and then wait for that dribble

[wary forge]

Yea how am I supposed to defend and not get hit

[jolly shale]

ngl gold can rush in just two seconds after getting the ball

[marble compass]

Defend the other guy?

[jolly shale]

and you'd be on your mark

[marble compass]

Cover someone else and make sure you have enough distance to cover him

[jolly shale]

the other guys are on the Gold user

[marble compass]

if he dribbls

Like what

[jolly shale]

so it really doesn't matter

[marble compass]

Its just all positioning

Bro I can do ts without styles

I dont need styles to defend that

[jolly shale]

only way to do something is to hope the enemy team positions themselves away from their gold player

hope they like cherry picking

[wary forge]

Alr so let's say we get someone else on him we are now 2v3 I'm blocking 1 guy my mate the other and now he's coming after he used the dribble he has like 50 plays he could even use his unblockable pass

[marble compass]

To be completely honest

@jolly shale

[jolly shale]

if you do have a giant just ask him to goal tend like mura

[wary forge]

That's just my problem

[dapper jungle]

here is the setup, where would you place the other two teammates to block the gold player

[marble compass]

Its better if they go far away

Because its just

Gold.

The entire kit is about passing

If teamates dont go far away, gold has borderline 0 value

[jolly shale]

he can score too

thats a good Gold player

[marble compass]

Okay so

YOu already failed from the get go

[jolly shale]

it doesn't matter if they are far or close

[wary forge]

I see

[jolly shale]

the pass is unblockable

[wary forge]

Let's say he hasn't used that dribble

But my mate is on him

So it's 3v3

[marble compass]

First off.

His frame of being able to use the pass

is short.

[wary forge]

Yea

[marble compass]

Second, cover enough distance between yourself and the mark

[dapper jungle]

that doesn't matter, it's unblockable

[marble compass]

and him

So that you can reach BOTH him and the mark

depending on what he decides to do

Instead of staying on the mark like your life depends on it

you already failed at that point

[wary forge]

How do I reach 2 people when there is a far distance?

[marble compass]

They managed to peel you off

Free points for their gold

[jolly shale]

thats the problem with the court

[wary forge]

Yea that's why it's broken💔

[jolly shale]

its too big

and thats why most styles are broken

[wary forge]

It's not too big

[dapper jungle]

how can you reach them both in time when you are stunned

[marble compass]

Ace/Starleap/Giant/Perfectionist

[wary forge]

Gold is the problem

[jolly shale]

it is compared to some basketball games

[marble compass]

You're over exaggerating that stun

Tested it/went against it

[jolly shale]

Gold is the problem because the court is too big

[marble compass]

NEver had a problem

[wary forge]

Dude😭

[dapper jungle]

it's a full 1 second, a single shot takes less than a second

[marble compass]

I can just see where they're going

[jolly shale]

I see a lot of problems with the stun tbh

[wary forge]

I js hate styles that force people to use certain things against it or there's literally nothing u can do

[marble compass]

It's like how you completely shut down a basketball god shamrock and ace dribble

[jolly shale]

At the start of the game you'd be near the Gold player

since hes probably positioned himself as PG or SG

[marble compass]

Just look at their camera angle

[dapper jungle]

and they stun you, now you cannot catch up to them cause they are already at your 3 point line

[jolly shale]

and most of his teammates decide to stay near him

[wary forge]

That's just bad gameplay

[marble compass]

Skill issue for getting stunned

[jolly shale]

thats only in the start

[marble compass]

I apologize but like

This is just a skill issue.

I never wanted to say it

[wary forge]

Alright what about emp reach

Do u think that one is fair

[marble compass]

Emp reach is of course

not fair

Never was

[jolly shale]

okay so I'll just back up while my entire team gets stunned

[dapper jungle]

so I'm supposed to be near him, but not be near him to be stunned, but also be near him to block, but if I get stunned by an unblockable move I'm bad?

[lavish anchor]

what is going on here

[jolly shale]

gold stun

[marble compass]

Use an ability after to gain distance

[lavish anchor]

what about gold distance

[wary forge]

Gold stun is justified

[jolly shale]

gold distance needs to be nerfed

[lavish anchor]

aw hell nah

[marble compass]

You're supposed to do that

[wary forge]

💔

[lavish anchor]

whoever said that

is stupid

[marble compass]

to either cover one

or the other

[wary forge]

Ermmm

[dapper jungle]

so, it requires you to have a style to counter gold, to play against gold?

[jolly shale]

if you look at the court

its huge

[lavish anchor]

listen

gold dribble is stupid

[marble compass]

Most of mythics or above

[lavish anchor]

functionally

[marble compass]

can do that

[jolly shale]

thats what im saying

[marble compass]

Star can do that

[lavish anchor]

nothing can justify how stupid it is

[marble compass]

Personally

its not stupid

the court is

[lavish anchor]

alr bro

[jolly shale]

it has the kit of emperor, ace, and phantom

at the same time

[lavish anchor]

😭

insane mental gymnastics

a long dribble move with a radius that stuns multiple opponents

[dapper jungle]

basketball god + perfection + emperor either have basekit counterplay or not counterplay in their moves, no inbetween

[jolly shale]

why can't they just add phantom

[lavish anchor]

thats totally tolerable

[marble compass]

Positioning.

[lavish anchor]

alr bro

[jolly shale]

again positioning wont help

[wary forge]

Honestly this chats mental is strong

[jolly shale]

if im playing ace

jp

[lavish anchor]

this dude is a brick wall

[marble compass]

Wdym

[lavish anchor]

positioning

[jolly shale]

i'd just have to stay back

[marble compass]

All of those are easily counterable on defense

[jolly shale]

and watch 4 of my teammates

[marble compass]

Except maybe emp

[jolly shale]

get stunned

[lavish anchor]

me watching my teammates get dropped by a gold dribble

[marble compass]

God nerf emp reach and pass

[jolly shale]

ace dash would help

but you'd be leaving your mark

[wary forge]

Honestly only way to save it

[dapper jungle]

nerf every unblockable pass

[lavish anchor]

yeah

[jolly shale]

thats when gold can make decisions

he can pass it

[wary forge]

If ur teammate gets stunned

[jolly shale]

to the teammate

you left your mark

[lavish anchor]

this dude is a brick wall

[wary forge]

U go closer

[lavish anchor]

ngl

[wary forge]

He passes

[jolly shale]

it's literally over anyways

[wary forge]

Then sky leap ig💔

[lavish anchor]

there is no downside to gold dribble

not a single one

[jolly shale]

The only thing that can counter is Sky Leap

Nothing else

[marble compass]

Atleast theres counterplay

[marble compass]

Emp reach

[jolly shale]

Giant if you're goal tending

[lavish anchor]

theres no general counterplay

[wary forge]

Nope

[marble compass]

It tps you 10 yards away

[wary forge]

Not if u get stunned

[jolly shale]

Most emperors are stupid and get stunned anyways

[wary forge]

0 ways

[marble compass]

Just

[wary forge]

I tried it

[marble compass]

dont get stunned

[lavish anchor]

having to use a specific style to counter a move is not balanced

[marble compass]

I kid you not

Emp reach can cover 2 players at once

[jolly shale]

Sky Leap is actually the only way to counter the move

[wary forge]

Alright💔

[jolly shale]

When you're marking another dude

from the other side of the court

[dapper jungle]

But also, let's take into account you're up against 3 people and not just one gold, he has an unblockable pass after the dribble so it's garunteed a 3v2 so he can just pass to the unguarded guy instantly

[lavish anchor]

this dude genuinely is a brick wall

lol

he takes nothing in

[jolly shale]

If you're goal tending you'd have to hope your team is good and marks the other opponents

[lavish anchor]

his arguments have already been countered numerous times and he still keeps riding with them

[wary forge]

He's gold neuer

[dapper jungle]

emperor's reach can cover 70% of the 3 point line in the right positon

[marble compass]

Alot of moves in game requires you to use a move to guard?

[dapper jungle]

not even close

[lavish anchor]

like what

[marble compass]

Emp reach.

[lavish anchor]

every move in the game is

[jolly shale]

But what if he decides to pass?

[wary forge]

Alr so

[lavish anchor]

at least the balanced ones

[jolly shale]

You're already going for him

[wary forge]

3 emps vs 3 golds

[jolly shale]

Your the only teammate whos not stunned

[lavish anchor]

actually have general counterplay

[dapper jungle]

everything is nothing compared to emp reach so whats your point?

[wary forge]

Yea thanks

[jolly shale]

You left your mark

[marble compass]

The passing frame is not that long

no?

[jolly shale]

Just for the slim chance

[marble compass]

I swear

[jolly shale]

To block a shot

Then he passes

to the opponents

[marble compass]

Like

[lavish anchor]

your only counterargument is just using another busted style

[jolly shale]

you left your mark for

[marble compass]

If its an elbow pass

[dapper jungle]

it's as much as jackpots, a few seconds

[lavish anchor]

you genuinely cant think

[marble compass]

I meant, the V pass

sure

but elbow pass has such a short time frame

[jolly shale]

I don't think I'm reaching a pass that goes faster than Kuroko's phantom pass

[marble compass]

What im saying is

[lavish anchor]

this dude is just talking outta his bum ngl

[marble compass]

Isnt the C pass time frame

short as hell

[jolly shale]

And that's when I'm trying to block the Gold

[marble compass]

You can probably react fast enough

[dapper jungle]

and no, the only move that requires you to have a move to guard is gold's dribble, because you have 0 time to react or any time to predict if he's gonna use it, at least with ace it's genuinely your fault for all being so deep into offense

[jolly shale]

Every situation against Gold is prediction

That's how I counter him

Just hope your teammate

Does something

[marble compass]

I'm doing fine against golds

idk about yall

[jolly shale]

While you keep marking

[dapper jungle]

cause you've never gone against a good one

[jolly shale]

Go against one who knows what hes doing

It's over

[true matrix]

ace dribble is not fair 😭

[jolly shale]

Ace dribble is easy to counter

[marble compass]

Tbh

the only situation where i can see myself struggling against 1

[dapper jungle]

it isn't, but it's counterable, gold just isn't counterable unless you are standing in the perfect spot outside of his aoe, and even then, if it's a good gold you will never not get 2 player stunned

[marble compass]

is when their entire team knows what they're doing

[true matrix]

Not really if you stay behind and leave someone unmarked it becomes easy to slice through your defense

[marble compass]

What

[jolly shale]

Not if you know hes gonna do it

[marble compass]

If ur good, you wouldnt even get 2 player stunned

even

are we serious

[dapper jungle]

if you're teammates are even within the thought distance of gold's dribble they get stunned by a good gold

[marble compass]

Bro hes looking right at you to do the dribble

[true matrix]

are you fighting Ai or sum

[lavish anchor]

mind you the stun for gold dribble is a radius

[dapper jungle]

His stun can cover an entire half of the 3 point line

[true matrix]

because any person with a brain cell can easily use ace dribble to score

[jolly shale]

Usually you can just predict what he's gonna do

Just observing the game

[marble compass]

80% of an half

sure.

[jolly shale]

and how he plays

[marble compass]

Not an entire half

You can dodge that

[dapper jungle]

again, haven't gone against a good gold

[true matrix]

can you explain how you defend it then by predicting

[jolly shale]

If he only uses ace to dribble then you can do anything on offense

[marble compass]

Its just a giant slice on the field

that you cacn dash

What qualifies as a good gold

[jolly shale]

Stay back instead of rushing