Emperor Nerfs | Completed!

[topaz acorn]

it is the best dribble in the game

2 stuns good distance

stun hitbox is crazy as hell too

0 point passing someone when you have best dribble in the game

[shell forum]

It doesnt

Many people tried to use pressure near hoop then get pressure to throw it in the hoop

[lavish anchor]

like

in 1s?

[radiant karma]

How do we feel abt chrollo making it so reach only works on shots

[wide pike]

i feel like it would be better done if it only worked on passes but who am i to complain

at least its getting nerfed, and thats better than a global cd nerf

[radiant karma]

Yeah it's way better than a global cd

Atleast now it has a counter play

And its still useable

Chrollo might actually redeem himself

Thank god

Still would've loved a visual indicator but this is better than nothing ig

Wait nvm I read it wrong there is gonna be a visual indicator

[wide pike]

ikr im so happy

[radiant karma]

https://tenor.com/view/gavis-gif-23844946

[heavy yarrow]

You can block ult pass btw

Or did they change that by now

Its been a while

[umbral cave]

...No?

That was a bug iirc.

It's been patched for a while now.

@lavish anchor HELP ME

https://gyazo.com/aeff2acd0c85fe73011fc9a537217eaa

EMP #6

[lavish anchor]

i am so sorry to hear that

[umbral cave]

Dude I'm losing it.

[lavish anchor]

i dont think gold likes you man

[umbral cave]

I highlighted Emperor to reverse-psychology the RNG. Every time before this when I pulled Emperor I had Gold selected.

I'm going to toss Nash into a barrel of acid.

[clever plinth]

Smart XD. I did that and it worked

Unlucky 🤣

[umbral cave]

https://gyazo.com/5c751b62ec115a01dd169ce48beb41a0

That's #7....

[umbral cave]

It's impossible to get gold.

Nobody can convince me otherwise.

[fierce void]

i got it

from 5 lucky

wave~2

[umbral cave]

[radiant karma]

Gold is not all that

Just give it up

[umbral cave]

I've used far too amny spins to not get it.

Another copycat.

[fierce void]

its nice why all hate it

[umbral cave]

I've rolled 3 of them this morning alone trying to get gold.

I also don't hate copycat, it's my main.

In the last 100 normal spins I've gotten two Emperors and three Copycats.

[fierce void]

gold not that good

perrsure so bad

[umbral cave]

The dribble alone makes it good.
The passes are an added bonus for playmaking.
Pressure is finnicky, yes, but it's the most disruptive move in the game. It goes through dribbles and dribble moves.

[radiant karma]

Gold's dribble is probably the best dribble move

Breaks not only 1 but multiple ankles

[lavish anchor]

the ankle break range is a radius as well

its wild lol

[true matrix]

Wow Chrollo actually making good changes

and the community voting against it 😂

This community might be the biggest issue

[true matrix]

Finally bro

Red effect

Like everyone asked for

looks like it is yba after all 😂

[lavish anchor]

what yba gotta do w this

lmao

[lethal heath]

Why we ignoring the dribble that goes Hella far and ankle breaks anyone In ur path

[lethal heath]

And no more intercepting passes

[true matrix]

I said emperor should have a red aura indicator when emperor reach is active and he said it shouldn’t and “this isn’t yba”

[true matrix]

thank goodness

[supple swallow]

CHAT THEYRE ADDING THE AURA SO WE CAN SEE IT

YES

[lavish anchor]

i just got on a match with 4 golds

i couldnt even hold the ball for more than 2 seconds

[dusky steeple]

Why everyone want to nerf emperor?Its sooo weak bruh,first move is dribble which is trash,bc of low distance you do,if we look at the ace(mythic) that will be funny,second move is good,but its like sols rng sometimes work and sometimes dont work.Ult is another joke,yeah 2 defense skills and 2 point(if i dont wrong) skill,if we look at ace he has got 3 moves which is 3 point,2 point and 2point.So i think emperor needs buff, not nerf,but ace needs nerf.

[lavish anchor]

@radiant karma

😭

[dusky steeple]

yeah sooo funny

[lavish anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-laughing-flight-flightreacts-funny-laughing-gif-17836958681365484113

[radiant karma]

Yeah let's give emperor athletic drive

That seems fair

[dusky steeple]

just look at balance

how mythic style is better than miracle

[radiant karma]

Yikess

[lavish anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-ishowspeed-sped-sped-monkey-fnaf-jumpscare-gif-24611965

[neat shuttle]

this gotta be ragebait

[lethal heath]

https://tenor.com/view/flight-laughing-flight-flightreacts-funny-laughing-gif-17836958681365484113

[maiden minnow]

made me lose braincells

[heavy yarrow]

you didnt read the second msg ahve you? i said it mightve been changed since it had been a while

[wide pike]

peak grammar, peak take

[dusky steeple]

im from Russia

im bad at grammar sorry

[wide pike]

nah im not tryna make fun of you sorry

its just i sorta disagree

honestly i can see your point other than the dribble

reach is quite buggy and will often not work for zero reason

but emperor's defense is also quite good, probably better than some 2pt dunk

[limber kindle]

@wide pike i need ur opinions for something

Go read #1384280015868395530

I need ur opinions if dribbling is only a small part of basketball

[valid prairie]

Weezers

[umbral cave]

....Bruh.

[limber kindle]

Go to the thread and see for urself

Ive been arguing with this idiot who suggested pressure be like emp reach but instead of it stopping pass and shots, it stops dribbles instead

[umbral cave]

....Jesus christ.

[umbral cave]

I did read it, I just said that ultimate pass stealing was a bug, and I was pretty sure its been patched. It was never intended to be stolen, as far as I'm aware. I've never seen it stolen either, even with Reach.

[supple swallow]

Can I just attempt to respectuflly say that every part of this is just, not valid

[umbral cave]

The only partially valid point is the move bugging out sometimes and not working, and I chalk that up to one of two things. One, roblox camera being stupid with targeting. Two, too many people infront of you. But even then, neither of these points take away from the 95% of the time it does work, and is overpowered.
Emperor in no way shape or form needs a buff.

[blazing portal]

It is all that tho

[cold sedge]

Unfortunate that people majorilly voted for global cd

Would’ve been better to have emp reach be an awakening move

But some nerfs are better than none

[radiant karma]

I meant it gets boring fast

Not that it's a bad style

[umbral cave]

I can definitely see how it gets boring if youre playing alone with randoms in ranked or pubs. I think it would be more fun to use with friends in a call and as a playmaker. And the awakening song is also good.

[blazing portal]

Tbh i say a soft rework would have been better

[lavish anchor]

not really

[blazing portal]

Make it more work like a parry or a perfect block, very short window (0.8 or sum) and like it would be cool

[lavish anchor]

the current nerfs theyre planning are better

or generally

what it needs

[blazing portal]

With global cd for your team only and not the whole match

Or else completly dumb

[cold sedge]

I think the most effective rework would’ve been making emperor reach work like Intercept

You have to actually time it somewhat you can’t prefire it and just wait for the inevitable pass / shot

[midnight turtle]

Yeah turning it into a parry move or something you actually had to time would be way better, like how snatch block is with giant.

[umbral cave]

Yeah. That's what I've been saying.

[topaz acorn]

regardless of nerfs game will still be same dumpster as it is right now

cuz those nerfs will barely change anything

sure pressure removed emp reach still exists

gc does nothing

[lavish anchor]

ghe reach nerf is more

elaborate

itll only work on shots and will have an indicatkr

which is a good nerf

[topaz acorn]

oh that i didnt know

[lavish anchor]

adds general counterplay now

yeah

[topaz acorn]

gold still needs its dribble nerfed

2 stuns half court dribble

is worse than ace

[umbral cave]

I'm honestly not even bothered by the distance. That stun is beyond absurd, and it will always hit multiple people.

[hallow jay]

Emperor reach should have a team cool down so each team can use it

[keen bough]

We bumping this

[topaz acorn]

the fact this game has low skill ceiling and theres still broken styles is what surprises me

[reef moon]

Lock + Posterizor for the dub

[supple swallow]

if only Lock was a real style 💔

[reef moon]

Lock carried me through 2v2s🥀

Put some respect on it

[supple swallow]

you mean the style that only has a steal that has a 10% chance to actually catch the ball?

[reef moon]

Ts worked everytime in ranked lowk

Especially when ppl keep using emps pass and other unblockable passe

They never expect intercept

And handsup blocks post form which is glorious

Not to mention the ult is a free turnover

[umbral cave]

Even the dunk?

[reef moon]

Yea

I think you gotta activate it right when they try to dunk for it to work

[supple swallow]

Guess what style they used this match

[dawn depot]

“Ur using sniper” 🥀

[lavish anchor]

i think they were using playmaker

[supple swallow]

emp glazer

[supple swallow]

they used gold

[reef moon]

What's up with blocking passes and they just go straight to their tms hand😭

[umbral cave]

"You're using sniper"
I can't, man.

[neat shuttle]

yeah its frustrating, needs to be fixed to where people on the ground cant get the ball (seen too many dunks get blocked only for the same person, writhing on the ground btw, to get the ball)

same thing with emperor snatch, it shouldnt let you steal the ball if youre on the ground (ankle break or pushed over)

[umbral cave]

Or the person whom I blocked gets the ball, and gets another shot, while my jump is on CD. Very annoying.

[neat shuttle]

yep

i think this could be fixed relatively easily, just a cooldown on when they can pick up the ball again

[umbral cave]

You'd need to ne very careful with that, or you'll have a situation like blink where you'll be unable to pick up the ball rolling on the floor despite walking over it five times.

That had me punching air.

[neat shuttle]

oh yeah, that happens now whenever you try to pass as well

the game is extremely bugged

good thing theyre swapping over to a better schedule, means more testing and potential bug fixes

[umbral cave]

Mhm.

[clever plinth]

I got it in 12 lucky spins xd

[topaz acorn]

anyone who has akashi display name and dresses up as akashi should be perma banned

[viral seal]

quick is incredibly fun to use

[winged ravine]

Nah jus make the whole lobby clown them as cornballs (got his ahh busted by king Nash gold)

[umbral cave]

I hate you and hope you explode.

152 lucky spins.

Nayfin.

[clever plinth]

Lol 😆

[wide pike]

bet

[limber kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/no-sad-frustrated-no-way-yell-gif-17334973

Where was this said ryuji

[lavish anchor]

common questions

[limber kindle]

I am not excited for this

[lament ember]

epitaph counter has a red indicator in yba

red glow

thing

[topaz acorn]

alright im spinniong for that

[lament ember]

move for what style

[lavish anchor]

if its an awk move

uh

[lament ember]

gold?

[lavish anchor]

im not too worried but why

[lament ember]

or his own new style

[lavish anchor]

chrollo style

[topaz acorn]

no imagine it will have jackpot steal

[lament ember]

is there any info on the styles yet

like rarity

[topaz acorn]

like jackpot ult + perfection's evolution

[lament ember]

limited or not

etx

[topaz acorn]

yea its limited

[lavish anchor]

both are limited

[lament ember]

jp steal is possibly the most broken move in the entire game

[lavish anchor]

it takes execution to use

at least

[topaz acorn]

no the one during awakening

[lament ember]

I don't know if it's a bug or a tech but you can conserve the after moves if you land it by pressing c

[topaz acorn]

after you got 777

[umbral cave]

With my luck I'm going to get a limited style instead of Gold at this rate.

Jesus H christ.

[lament ember]

that's like a 1/3 chance of happening

[umbral cave]

W h y.

[lavish anchor]

idk

[lament ember]

jp steal can counter pumpshots, lock intercept, post form giant normal passes and even emperor reach

[topaz acorn]

cuz its fun

[lament ember]

it bypasses iframes

[topaz acorn]

i dont even care about balance no more

i just keep using same crap everyone uses

[lament ember]

gold?

[topaz acorn]

so good chrollo limited hope it will be worse than perfection on release

[lament ember]

cuz gold is lame

[lavish anchor]

although most of those require very strict timing

[lament ember]

but the drive full court dunk is so fun to use lol

[lavish anchor]

its strong but takes the most execution

[umbral cave]

No it's not, it's stupid.

[topaz acorn]

bro this game is doomed already balance wise

[umbral cave]

It's salvageable.

Adding onto the bonfire won't help.

[lament ember]

pumpshots and post form don't really have strict timings

the windup isn't even that long

[lavish anchor]

"most"

[lament ember]

unless ur playing on 300 ping u should be fine

[lavish anchor]

not all

[lament ember]

yeah by most it's for passes only

or normal shots

[lavish anchor]

shots as well

[lament ember]

there's still a bug w jp steal

as I said if you land it and press c u can conserve the after effect moves

like lucky dash

or lucky pass or lucky stun

there's no end duration for it

most of them told me it was a tech but it sounds like a bug really

[lavish anchor]

it is a bug yeah

[umbral cave]

Copy phantom pass on accident
w.e, I an make this work, teammate is in a corner open
try phantom pass
it gets pressured
Ok bro.

[lavish anchor]

yeah

that happens

[umbral cave]

Didn't know it could also hit the one pass Reach can't hit.

[clever plinth]

It's over😭

[dawn depot]

Awesome!

[viral seal]

will global cd be a sufficient nerf to emperor’s kit

[lavish anchor]

naw

thats more of a band aid fix

[small yew]

it should not catch passes its stealing locks thing

[viral seal]

in the source work we only get to see akashi use his “reach” on passes against Midorima and the Hawk Eye guy where he basically seems to appear out of nowhere

that is also when he says “My orders are absolute”

[dawn depot]

Kind of bugging out.

But did they always say they were gonna add vfx to it?

[lavish anchor]

not sure really

[dawn depot]

Idk why but I completely.

Missed that.

[lavish anchor]

oh yeah

[dawn depot]

That's kind of going to be.

Solid nerf to the move actually.

Still gonna be super obnoxious in pubs probs.

But that combined with being able to pass allows counterplay.

[cold sedge]

still def gonna cause problems in situations where you have 2 people on you

cant shoot or pass stll and their team mate can just steal

[lavish anchor]

you can pass out of reqch

which is implied in polls

as a nerf

[dawn depot]

Was gonna say this but yeah if you can pass.

Def counterplay.

Need to actually sweat to get pass off.

But it is possible.

I lowkey like to get in the headspace of these guys.

If I went into chat saying “emp needs to be nerfed” I’d get told skill issue.

[dawn depot]

That one dev Sewi or Levi or whatever was in chat too, and said they’ve been considering suggestions.

Preciate all the people who cried with me in this thread…!

[limber kindle]

Literally no point of an indicator if its 8 seconds long

Thats more than enough time for a teamate to come and snatch the ball away from you

[small flume]

no reach nerf pls it so useful and i have skill issue pls pls

[dawn depot]

Yeah only thing is.

Still super lame in pubs but.

In ranked that means their TM is gonna have to come at you.

[small flume]

pls tell them not to nerf reach pls

[dawn depot]

Leaving one of your TM's unmarked.

[small flume]

im bad

pls

[limber kindle]

Does not matter if that teamate is unmarked if u cant pass🤡

You're literally forced to use a skill just to counter it

[simple falcon]

Doesn’t it feel like Chrollo is just reusing stuff?

[limber kindle]

Which in general is a good way to tell how broken a skill is

[limber kindle]

Wym?

[simple falcon]

Well he said one of his moves was gonna be better than Evolution. And based on the sneak he sent he’s reusing the graphics from basketball god

It just doesn’t feel like he’s trying to make something unique

[limber kindle]

Oh shoot youre right i didnt even notice that

[true matrix]

power creeping evolution is crazy 🥀

[simple falcon]

Fr

[true matrix]

nobody talkin about how greedy Chrollo is

he was clowning Miro

[simple falcon]

It’s what I do, point out pointless details

[true matrix]

but he’s now releasing 2 limited styles

in one update

[simple falcon]

Yeah he lowkey being stupid

[limber kindle]

Idk i think him and tatlis are just having a beef

[simple falcon]

The one time autocorrect didn’t want to work

[frail bay]

hes using the same vfx from dunk over heaven

LOOOOL

[limber kindle]

Maybe not a beef but a competition

[frail bay]

this guy is a joke theres now ay

[simple falcon]

Yeah

[limber kindle]

And doing 2 limiteds is the only way to do it

They couldve made it an event ig

Where u can earn which one

[frail bay]

welp tatlis is winning if he puts actual effort into his style

[simple falcon]

I mean, they didn’t need to do limited stuff. But I think they both want to make styles that will be remembered for their strength

[frail bay]

chrl just re using vfx

🥀

[true matrix]

it’s too greedy

[limber kindle]

Chrollo did say tatlis will be unique

So depends on how unique it is

[true matrix]

people already have perfection and basketball god in slots

now he’s adding 2 limiteds in one update

[simple falcon]

Does tatlis have any themes we can use to determine what he’s doing?

[limber kindle]

They can just rollo off it yk

[true matrix]

people r gonna need more slots or roll off limiteds

[frail bay]

imo if he just doesnt re use stuff and have some actually good sound effects then its more than enough

[true matrix]

Rolling off a limited

[limber kindle]

Yes its called buying slots

[frail bay]

like why are they on a streak of re using stuffbro

[true matrix]

So you can’t get it anymore

[limber kindle]

No idea yet

[true matrix]

and you js explained why I called him greedy

😂

[limber kindle]

Other games literally do it🤡

[simple falcon]

I have hope for Tatlis, and honestly this update might make us wish chrollo actually left the game

[limber kindle]

And they already gave away free slots for everyone

[true matrix]

and other games give storage for free

what’s ur point

[limber kindle]

Then its not greedy

Your point

[true matrix]

it deffo is

[limber kindle]

The game did the same

They gave out free style AND zone slot

[true matrix]

I’m not sure how adding 2 limited times that are the rarest in the game while there’s only 2 free storage at max isn’t greedy

[limber kindle]

+ZONE/STYLE slot for getting champ in ranked

[true matrix]

while there’s 4 limiteds

not to mention another issue of adding these limiteds aside from the greed being the balance

[limber kindle]

Thats not the games fault gng, you can have more than 4 style slots in the game

[true matrix]

he said he’s adding a better evolution

power creeping a previous limited is crazy

[simple falcon]

I’m honestly just sad we even got limiteds, because it tells me exactly what this community wants

[limber kindle]

I just hope its not going to be like pre nerf blink

[true matrix]

bro is mind washed 😭

[limber kindle]

Thats going to be borderline unplayable

[true matrix]

yesss give the millionaires more moneyyy

[limber kindle]

No its just a simple business tactic😂

[true matrix]

fr

it’s mostly sad too cuz the player base is mostly kids

[simple falcon]

Chrollo with no restrictions is probably gonna be the worst thing that ever happened to the game

[limber kindle]

The game is literally already very generous when it comes to spins since u can get them in afk

[true matrix]

and they takin every opportunity to shove rng mechanics

gambling a huge problem in Roblox

[limber kindle]

Theres a reason why this game is plagued with emps and golds running around

Because lucky spins/normal spins are easily accessable

If u cant afford to get more style slots then thats a you problem

[true matrix]

games like azure latch do it way better

Perma storage once you roll a style once

[limber kindle]

Then go play azure latch bruh

[true matrix]

Fax

let’s play together

[limber kindle]

Im busy with volleyball legends ill pass

[true matrix]

why does bro have an ai pfp 😭

[limber kindle]

Not you resorting to discord insults🤡

[true matrix]

insults? who said it was an insult gng

why would we insult each other over a Roblox game

[limber kindle]

I wonder why

[true matrix]

I js asked why you had one

sorry if you took it the wrong way

[limber kindle]

Cuz its unique idk

Dont really see anyone with one

[true matrix]

ok 👍

[dawn depot]

?

Supposedly one of the changes.

Was gonna be that you're able to pass.

And Reach can only work on shots.

That's why I said there'd be counterplay.

[limber kindle]

Oh i thought u meant current emp reach

My bad

[dawn depot]

Ah yeah.

Current Emp Reach no counterplay.

Just brainrot.

[limber kindle]

Tho i can still see emp being braindead in 2v2

Since lots of people do 1v1 in there

[dawn depot]

Chrollo has these dudes in a chokehold. 💔

[limber kindle]

And the other teamate is marked

[dawn depot]

Like what is the upd schedule we've gotten.

[limber kindle]

Ngl i dont agree with them releasing styles back to back to back

[dawn depot]

Mythic, Limited, Miracle, Rare/Mythic, Miracle, and now more Limiteds.

Oh wait.

I misesd a limited.

4 limiteds and 2 Miracles is pretty much most recent upds.

Including next upd drop which is just limiteds.

[limber kindle]

Im still recovering from the bug with bbg

Took all my lucky spins and money😭 💔

[dawn depot]

Yeah for sure.

Even with the nerfs on Reach.

Emp is gonna be #1 Style.

But hopefully it'll be #1 while also being somewhat fightable.

Rn you can give an Iron player Emperor and they can climb to gold easy.

[limber kindle]

Actually depends on how good the new move with gold is

[dawn depot]

True. Gold is really good rn but Emp just clears imo.

[limber kindle]

As of now yes

But gold has better offense/support

[dawn depot]

Even with Reach nerf I'd say Emp is gonna be better, but yeah depends heavily on the new Gold variant move.

[limber kindle]

Depending on the new pressure move, it could be the new #1

[dawn depot]

Could be. I think Gold most shines when you're surrounded, while Emp is a 1v1 demon.

[limber kindle]

Nah gold is good in most scenarios

The dribble is really good

The pass is also good

Awk is decent

Its just that pressure is balanced but very annoying

Thats the main deciding factor between current gold and current emp

[dawn depot]

The Dribble is really good but I think for a 1v1 Emp's is better. Ultimate Pass is definitely better than Gold's pass imo, considering you have Forced Shot which is practically a free 3. Reach and Pressure I'll leave out of the debate bc nerf/rework.

Gold's awk is really good for offense but Emp's awk is insane on defense.

Really depends on the new Gold variant.

[limber kindle]

I wouldnt say emps dribble is better, golds dribble is just miles above everything else aside from maybe ace dribble

[dawn depot]

With Emp's dribble though you're not forced to a drive, and you can just stand at 3 point line and stun someone next to you before shooting.

[limber kindle]

And for the pass, sure it is probably better than needle pass but since gold has 2 passing abilities then support wise its about the same level

[dawn depot]

In ranked scenarios not having to do the drive is definitely really helpful for saving time.

Gold's dribble is really good for doing distance but it also gives opponents time to catch up for defense.

[limber kindle]

Yes i get that but with golds dribble, you can just dribble in the direction youre going and almost no one can stop you cuz u ankle break anyone u pass

Not just the person you do it to

[limber kindle]

They cant catch up, it anklebreaks multiple people

[radiant karma]

Just checked sneaks

Why are we getting infinite void

[dawn depot]

Yeah but if they're already further back which happens in ranked, they're able to run up or prepare for your shot.

In comparison it's sometimes better to use Emp's dribble to quickly stun your mark and shoot.

[limber kindle]

Same with emps dribble tho, if someone is far back enough then theres no point

[dawn depot]

Not really bc Emp's dribble into a shot is way faster than Gold's long range dribble into a shot.

[limber kindle]

Idk man maybe its just me but i just find golds dribble way more better than emp dribble

[dawn depot]

If you're double marked then yeah Gold's is better. But if they have positioning on 3 point line and you only have 1 on you, then Emp's is a free shot.

Just diff between if you're swarmed or getting 1s.

[limber kindle]

I dont get it tho, wouldnt the same be for emp dribble?

[vernal light]

I must be the only one with like 2 seconds of emp reach that doesn’t work 99% of the time despite people making shots before it runs out 😭

[limber kindle]

If theres someone waiting at the three point line then u also cant get a free shot sith emp dribble

[dawn depot]

One sec let me try to visualize this.

[limber kindle]

So lets say ur at the halfcourt line

U got 1 guy defending u

And 1 guy on the three point line

With emp dribble u break the other guy and then drive and the other guy will be there as well

Same goes for gold dribble

U break that 1 guy and the other will simply be just waiting

[dawn depot]

Red team is the enemy team. You're black team. You have 1 mark on you, other dudes are positioned on the 3 point line.

[sour moat]

yeah no..

[dawn depot]

If you have Emp.

You can just stun the dude right next to you.

And instantly go for a shot.

No one's able to block you.

[limber kindle]

Oh youre talking about when youre already at the 3 point line💀

Then yes obviously emp dribble is better

But most situations its not like that

[dawn depot]

I mean if you play ranked.

[limber kindle]

Most situations you use dribble to get down the court

[dawn depot]

Majority situations are at 3 point line.

At least if we mean 3s.

And not 2s.

[limber kindle]

Then u dont even need a dribble move to score if its like this

Ill just simply use skill

I would find it a waste if i used a move to score on a 1v1

[flint epoch]

idk about this

[dawn depot]

This is when it becomes too much theory.

"well im better so i could just perfectly feint"

"im better so i could do a fadeaway"

[limber kindle]

But lets talk about most case scenario

[dawn depot]

In ranked when you're against good players, they're thinking the same thing. "I can easily block his shot"

[limber kindle]

Because in most cases youre using a dribble move to go down the court

[dawn depot]

Are we saying pubs or ranked is my question.

[flint epoch]

like u can counter reach by js predicting the time they will use it

[limber kindle]

Both

[flint epoch]

most emp users r not strategic with the way they use reach

[limber kindle]

In 3v3 ur not gonna be in this ideal situation everytime

[flint epoch]

only thing i see happening is reducing the thing from 7.5 to 5

[limber kindle]

Most times ur running down the court and scoring right away

[dawn depot]

Not every time but it's how majority of plays are gonna go. They're never going to all just huddle around you and leave their 3 point line unmarked.

[dawn depot]

In what elo?

[flint epoch]

ultimate pass is perfectly balanced

bc i block it a lot idk about yall

[limber kindle]

Plat+

[dawn depot]

No one is leaving their 3 point line unmarked at start of round.

[dawn depot]

Plat+ in 3s?

So you're LB?

[limber kindle]

Yes

Idk thats as high as i am rn

I mostly play 2v2

Champ

I play with randoms on 3v3

[true matrix]

for sure the worst game mode in the game

[dawn depot]

So rn you're like Plat or Plat 2 in 3s.

[dawn depot]

Undoubtedly.

[limber kindle]

I think plat 1?

[flint epoch]

only the worst bc everyone plays it, easy to point out the glitches

[limber kindle]

Idk i lost track

[dawn depot]

Maybe the avg elo went up considering I've not played much since a week after Emp release but.

[true matrix]

No its js balanced horribly

[flint epoch]

wdym?

[true matrix]

the make it you take it mechanic dont fit the game

[dawn depot]

I can't think of any team immediately leaving their 3 point line on round start, to chase the guy with ball.

[limber kindle]

Its unplayable rn because emp is unbalanced and it has multiple bugs plus the mmr is broken

[dawn depot]

That only really has happened in pubs for me.

[true matrix]

use perfection awk + the real basketball god flow

and ull see

[limber kindle]

Not at round start, like i said in most of the time during the whole match

[true matrix]

you can keep gettin the balla nd quickly dunking

[dawn depot]

And I was Gold3 in 3s like 4 weeks ago so idk what the avg is now.

[true matrix]

0 counter play

[flint epoch]

yeah u right its op

[limber kindle]

Were talking throughout the whome match it would not be like this

[dawn depot]

Yeah but people are always still spacing themselves far enough to defend their line, especially when they know you have mobility.

[flint epoch]

gold vision is OP

[limber kindle]

Yes i know but thats why i said if they dokt have anyone to help them then its pretty much a 1v1 in which i wont even need a move to score

Lots of people use dribble moves to get down the court

And gold just does it much better

[clever plinth]

Fr

[limber kindle]

But in 2v2s emp dribble is better because ur already at the 3

[dawn depot]

Do you block people's shots in 1v1's?

Like if you're defending and they're trying to score do you get that.

[limber kindle]

If they dont use a move yes

Unless its someone really good

[dawn depot]

Then that same logic applies for enemy team, you're proving my reasoning.

Everyone ideally likes to say they land every shot, and everyone likes to say they block every shot.

[vague peak]

Hm

[limber kindle]

Thats the thing in a 1v1 scenario moves become pointless

[dawn depot]

But if you're someone who lands every shot, going against someone who blocks every shot. Then moves that help you score are going to be used.

[limber kindle]

So u take dribble moves out of the equation

[dawn depot]

That's why Flash is so high tier.

Because you can just use a move and instantly score.

[dawn depot]

I do not think this is the case at all.

[limber kindle]

Flash is high tier because it can also help you get down the court faster not just the scenario ur talking about

[dawn depot]

In 1v1 scenarios moves are most valuable.

[limber kindle]

Im just saying in most cases, people dont use dribble moves when theyre around the 3 point line

Unless theh want an easy 3 pointer

Ofc 2v2 is a different story

[dawn depot]

And I'm saying in most cases people aren't gonna let you just use a dribble move to their 3 point line and shoot, completely unmarked.

Maintaining mark is like half the game.

Saying stuff about how you're able to land every shot when you're marked by 1 guy, and also that you're able to block every shot if it's 1 guy. Are both super theoretical rather than practical.

[limber kindle]

Yes i know but theres not always gonna be a guy waiting at the 3 point line behind them, or else they would be leaving someone open in which i can simply pass

[dawn depot]

I won't really debate for now, but I'll get back on ranked after the Emp nerfs.

I was Gold3 like 4 weeks ago but I think the avg rank got way higher since then.

So I'll just get back to the topic after doing more ranked.

[limber kindle]

Either way it leads to a 3 pointer

Also rank is unplayable

Dont bother

The mmr is broken

[dawn depot]

Yeah gonna wait for Friday I mean.

They said they're doing bugfixes this week too.

On top of Emp nerf.

And Gold rework.

[limber kindle]

I doubt theyd fix ranked💀

[dawn depot]

So ranked should be decent for the first time in a while.

Only if everything's fixed but who knows.

[limber kindle]

Until they fix the mmr its not really worth grinding

[dawn depot]

Like I said that one dev in chat was saying they're focusing alot on bug fixes rn.

So who knows.

[limber kindle]

But the problem is i dont think they consider the mmr a bug

[dawn depot]

I mean MMR worked before didn't it.

And then it randomly didn't work.

[limber kindle]

Nono u said u last played 4 weeks ago?

[dawn depot]

That's when I consistently played but I did some rounds bit after.

And my elo was working fine.

[limber kindle]

How much were u gaining and losing

[dawn depot]

Oh you're saying that's the issue.

[limber kindle]

Yes that's the mmr

[dawn depot]

I thought you meant fully didn't proccess bc.

Saw some dude in chat say smth about that while back.

[limber kindle]

Nono how much are u gaining and losing

[dawn depot]

Maybe I was lucky but I was gaining like 24 and losing like 30.

[limber kindle]

Yeah idk why it's like that for some people

But im gaining +10 and losing 40

While being mvp btw

[dawn depot]

Wow yeah idk what's happened since then.

[limber kindle]

Like idk why it's like this

Whether I'm nvp or not it does not matter

Its really not worth grinding

[wide pike]

he does that a lot

[simple falcon]

I guess

Honestly, rn I’m coming up with a Lock rework. Because it’s been left in the dust

Every new style has a defense move stronger than it and it’s only getting worse

[wide pike]

thank you bbz discord

[simple falcon]

What did you even say?

[wide pike]

good question

[simple falcon]

But yeah, Lock rework

And Unbreakable rework

[reef moon]

EXACTLY

[lament ember]

its gonna get a red indicator now I don't know what more they want

[lament ember]

perfectionist is even more op

[lost galleon]

The emperorpocolypse

The empocolypse

[supple swallow]

Its crazy how people still think seeing the same annoying animation of the most infamously broken skill is still "Aura Farming" as if you didnt just let the game play itself after using V

[balmy karma]

move doesn't even look that good

[flint epoch]

what

what that mean

[viral seal]

fr lmao

[shell forum]

@radiant karma bait

heh

You saw what I did there

[radiant karma]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-14770887436103544323

[supple swallow]

wth are these strats when youre already using emp and gold, still losing points to a team of rare styles bro (2 Clutch 1 quick)

[wary forge]

Honestly gold vision needs a big buff

The zone feels like evolution incarnate

And can pass and dunk on like IDK ALMOST A 3 POINTER

[wary forge]

Kunigami body block but it's literally dribbleable and it has like a windup

[wary forge]

Let ur mate just run at you and close pass if he isn't that far away

[lament ember]

are you talking about star leap?

star leap is a worse version of snatch block, it just has more range but the downfall is that its windup is too long

[wary forge]

Other than that u would maybe try prime LeBron I think he can't steal the ball or block while he uses it

[lament ember]

u have to predict it basically

but with snatch u can get it with good timing and good ping

[lavish anchor]

not really predictions

more on reading

[wary forge]

So u would have 2 people on u

[lavish anchor]

ive gotten used to sky leap and im pretty consistent with it

[lament ember]

so prediction

[wary forge]

By then it's lowkey ur fault for ur mate not being there

[lament ember]

you can not consistently steal a pass with star leap unless u predict it

[lavish anchor]

i mean

[wary forge]

No no

Wait

[lament ember]

shots is a diff thing

[lavish anchor]

i do it most of the time

[wary forge]

That sounds good

[lavish anchor]

leaping passes aint that worth it though

[lament ember]

whats your level exactly

[wary forge]

Star leap pass 3pt dunk

[lavish anchor]

like 70

[lament ember]

so you often get redirected to players with the same range as your level and youre telling me you can consistently steal shots with star leap?

[lavish anchor]

yeah

it isnt that hard

[lament ember]

its windup is too long you do have to predict it

i cant believe you do it with precise timing

maybe you should try playing giant instead

[lavish anchor]

yeah

i did main giant before

star

i kinda got burnt out w giant though

i still like it

[lament ember]

flash and jp are pretty good

ace is too after its revamp

its like flash but better kindof

[lavish anchor]

flash and jp are fun

idk about ace tho

ace still boring as hell lowk

[lament ember]

theres techs to it

the off hand ability was a really good addition

[lavish anchor]

its lowkey

way too good

flash dash on cracj

but imo thats probably the only great addition to the rework

[lament ember]

missile and 100% drive is easily a 6 pointer all together

with the cutscene thats 8

[lavish anchor]

im either neutral

or just dislike the rest

theyre strong moves but

the rework was awfully executed in general

[lament ember]

all to their own ig but i used to hate ace before it got reworked

now its slightly fun

kind of

its more an offence type of style and im assuming u mostly play on defense via ur history with giant / star

[lavish anchor]

i did mostly defense with giant

but with star i try to be versatile

[lament ember]

giant is a defensive style honestly

better than lock

lol

[lavish anchor]

ngl

lock got the worst defense moves in the game

[lament ember]

it really needs a rework

hands up is straigh tuseless

[lavish anchor]

its worse than a normal block

[lament ember]

intercept often works but you can still steal the ball from them

its awakening is fine

[lavish anchor]

awakening is good

clamp is great

[lament ember]

its just the base move

[lavish anchor]

base moves suck mane 💔

[lament ember]

intercept is fine but it can get better optimisation but hands up needs a rework entirely

[lavish anchor]

hands up gotta go

[supple swallow]

what are you cooking in your head bro

[lavish anchor]

what

gold vision is just playmaker but better and as a zone

you literally got two styles on you if you have it

[blazing portal]

😂

The zone that has 4 dribble that can do like half the court super easly and goes super fast

Yeah ofc it needs a buff how silly of me

You're just uncatchable

With it

[lethal heath]

gold vision u can argue to be the best flow

[lavish anchor]

it

is

no contest

[lethal heath]

The dribbles are so broken + the dunk pass

[radiant karma]

Fetch is so fun to use

[blazing portal]

Dunk pass is not allat

[lavish anchor]

yeah

fetch is great

[blazing portal]

Sorry to say it but doing 2 points is not meta

Give the ball to the ennemie and they can score a 3

[lethal heath]

Its a decent bonus but usually the gold vision user will just dribble and get open for a three

[blazing portal]

You'd much rather find a way to score 3 insthead either by passing or anything

[blazing portal]

This is what makes the zone broken indeed

I'd argue maybe it's not the BEST

Because shooting range is insane

Like perfectionist or real basketball

But it's really really broken

[lethal heath]

Perfectionist for me the 2nd best

[blazing portal]

You're just uncatchable

4 dribble that goes lightspeed and super far

[true matrix]

Bro shut up

[blazing portal]

Timmy tough knuckle over there

[lavish anchor]

its just guaranteed 777

[true matrix]

Hi how are you hope you are well

[lavish anchor]

no way you unironically just said that

LMAOO

[radiant karma]

oh god

timmy tough knuckles

is that the same person

[blazing portal]

Yeah

[radiant karma]

from the bbgod thread

[blazing portal]

777 is broken for me tho ngl

Like 2/3 time it's very good

1/3 it's broken

But you'd rather just use smth that guarentee a strong thing

Like perfectionist gold vision or real basketball

[true matrix]

But I think 777 has stronger buffs

[blazing portal]

No

[true matrix]

or it at least has a stronger buff for one of the individual buffs

[blazing portal]

They're the sames

[lavish anchor]

yeah they do

just slightly though

[blazing portal]

Huh ? Aint them the same ?

[radiant karma]

777's range from what i remember is further

[lavish anchor]

it is LMAOOO

i just realized

[true matrix]

No for one of them at least the buff for 777 is a lil better

[blazing portal]

I never saw a difference

[true matrix]

it’s one of the only good mythic flows

cuz the rest js get power crept

[lavish anchor]

i just joined a server

[blazing portal]

I agree

[lavish anchor]

full of 70 to 80 overalls

[radiant karma]

wait so this is the guy that tried to 1v1 everyone here

[lavish anchor]

and everyone

[blazing portal]

Free stats ig

[lavish anchor]

EVERYONE

had emperor or gold

hell naw

i joined in

[blazing portal]

Nvm

[lavish anchor]

first thing i saw was two pressures and a reach

i left

[blazing portal]

I trully hate gold more than emperor

[radiant karma]

idk

[blazing portal]

At least emperor ask you to shoot

[radiant karma]

gold is a lil bit tolerable

pressure isnt as braindead

[blazing portal]

Gold it's just use the move and whatever you did you lose the ball

Peak

And if you fight like 3 gold

You just can't have the ball

[blazing portal]

It is tho

At least reach not only can fail cuz it's bugged but it require to shoot

[radiant karma]

everytime someone uses reach i get a brain aneurysm

[blazing portal]

Gold press one move and even if you were super far or dribbling or in a dash or whatever you lose the ball W

Now think abt like

3 or 4 gold

Your team is never having the ball ever

[radiant karma]

equip fetch

best style to have rn

[blazing portal]

I am not equipping fetch sorry

[simple falcon]

Crawling around the court all game

[radiant karma]

missing out

[lavish anchor]

fetch is amazing

i saw a fetch duo yesterday

[flint epoch]

chuck is crazy good too

[lavish anchor]

one of the most fun matches ive played

[flint epoch]

if u know how to use it

[lavish anchor]

😭

[simple falcon]

Clutch players praying to RNGsus

[radiant karma]

chuck is crazy good if ur having a good day

[blazing portal]

The only good thing i find to say abt it is the shoot that goes further everytime you use it this is a fun mechanic and can be broken

[flint epoch]

one time i made all my shots so i could heat check from half court

[blazing portal]

Like once chuck teammate was shooting from more than half the court with it

There was like 2 min left

It was peak

Nothing could stop him he had lucky shot every 60 seconds

Or less

I forgot exactly

[simple falcon]

Heat check?

[radiant karma]

you'd need atleast like

6 heat checks to get to half court

[blazing portal]

Ye

[flint epoch]

ig yeah

lowkey quick is the worst style in the game

so buns

[radiant karma]

lock

[flint epoch]

lock is good??

[simple falcon]

Rework it and Unbreakable

[radiant karma]

lock is reduced to nothing if u know how to counter it

[true matrix]

Chuck ✌️

[radiant karma]

which is just to steal the intercept move

[flint epoch]

oh

[flint epoch]

chuck is good bro

these uncs dont know whats up

[true matrix]

in what regard

[flint epoch]

in regard of chucking it from half

[true matrix]

bro no sentient being is letting you build up that many shots w chuck 😭

[flint epoch]

also the driblle move is crazy

[true matrix]

crazy at losin the ball sure

[flint epoch]

like js have ur team8 stand next to u

[true matrix]

✌️

[flint epoch]

while ur doing it

[true matrix]

What does it do exactly

I could js pass

The ball to him

[flint epoch]

nah

[true matrix]

And it would cover more distance

[flint epoch]

nah

[true matrix]

Oh

Ok

[flint epoch]

cuz emp reach

[true matrix]

https://tenor.com/view/ben-tom-news-talking-tom-talking-ben-gif-529798234344712232

[flint epoch]

yk

its insane counter

[true matrix]

nah

[radiant karma]

no one's ever glazed chuck

u gotta respect it

[true matrix]

no thanks every time I’ve passed to Chuck to let them score or move the ball up they do their lil dribble move and lose the ball.

[simple falcon]

If you guys were gonna make a zone purely about dribbling what buffs would you give it?

[flint epoch]

kareem or cream

[flint epoch]

10x speed 10x dribbles if u make a shot u multiply ur speed by tenfold and if u miss then u lose the zone

also all shots r 50 50 chamce

even dunks

[radiant karma]

10% chance to ankle break someone

[simple falcon]

Hmm

Yeah I might’ve messed up

[flint epoch]

i think mine is better

MUCH better

[true matrix]

balanced: sum unique like shorter dribble recharge cooldown, OR longer lasting dribbles, OR dribbles that push you left or right depending on what movement key you hold

unbalanced slop: speed dribbler + 2 extra dribbles

[flint epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/juneteenth-freedom-day-freedom-juneteenth-celebration-emancipation-day-gif-11161983045903994676

its oficially jumeteenth i think

[radiant karma]

speed dribble +5 dribbles + limitless +fear the emperor

[simple falcon]

I was thinking way too strong then. I made the one I was planning to post would recharge abilities for ankle breaks, faster dribble regen, and longer break time

[flint epoch]

how about 5 dribbles but every time u dribble u take a minigame cutscene where u shoot on an arcade rim and if u miss then the zone ends if u make itnthen u get another driblle

[true matrix]

Bbz devs make a unique zone or combine multiple mythical zones into 1

[true matrix]

I don’t even know anymore cuz we got stuff like gold vision which the devs think is ok to release

[flint epoch]

or like a popup ability where u nutmeg someone but secretly u nut tap them so they r paralyzed for 10 seconds

[true matrix]

so maybe it’s balanced in the devs eyes

[simple falcon]

Well my thought process was since it’s all focused on dribbling it’d be kinda fair because it doesn’t help anywhere else

[flint epoch]

best idea here

[true matrix]

Still prolly more balanced than gold vision 😂

[radiant karma]

we're about to see some BS zone next update

[true matrix]

yeah 2 bs zones next update incoming

[flint epoch]

one time i was playing basketball and this guy nut tapped me so hard i had to sit on the bench

[simple falcon]

Probably

[flint epoch]

its an experience that must be online

[true matrix]

I still can’t believe everyone js fine w Chrollo dropping 2 limited styles in one update

[radiant karma]

knowing chrollo he'll make it op asl

[true matrix]

while reusing assets

greedy Chrollo

[simple falcon]

Also was I the only one that took forever to realize the sneak chrollo dropped today was based off this?

[radiant karma]

yes it is

and from what it looks like

tatlis's is based off gojo

[true matrix]

Ye cuz it’s Chrollo

[flint epoch]

no i dont even watch anime but i showed my friend and then he nut tapped me while saying that it is based off of hunter x hunter

[simple falcon]

We are at a point where originality is a thing of the past

[true matrix]

Tbf it’s a Chrollo style 🤔

[radiant karma]

what would a chrollo style be

[true matrix]

But then again ur right cuz he’s reusing assets

[radiant karma]

Chrollo's main thing is copying nen abilities

[simple falcon]

True, but it doesn’t help that he’s reusing animations just with different colors

[true matrix]

it’s the bbg dunk over heaven

[flint epoch]

one time an old grandpa in nyc was hooping with me and he was like “cmere lil boy” and then he nut tapped ke

[lavish anchor]

mane what

[simple falcon]

Sup, anyway how do you think I can balance out Wild?

[true matrix]

What are we saying bro

[lavish anchor]

i think its fine outside of the extra anklebreak duration

[simple falcon]

I figured since it’s entirely dribble focused it’d be fine, but you made it clear they combo too well together

[lavish anchor]

the cooldown reduction from anklebreakers is unique

as long as it doesnt reduce too much

[flint epoch]

bro one time i was cutting a goat for meat and then when he died he had lil spasms and his feet nut tapped ke

[simple falcon]

…5%?

[lavish anchor]

i think he likes being nut tapped

[true matrix]

Stop speaking 🥀

[lavish anchor]

that doesnt sound too bad

its behind a zone and requires an anklebreaker

thats probably fine

[simple falcon]

That one teammate after ankle breaking the whole team and having ace drive back already

[flint epoch]

bro i was in my garden outside and then i was doing a wall squat while sitting over a flower and then the flower grew so much and then nut tapped me

[radiant karma]

Garden?

Grow A Garden reference no way

[lavish anchor]

the opposing team gotta be a bunch of goons if they try to steal athletic drive 😭

[flint epoch]

bro i was at a nba game and then tyrese haliburtioj got so mad after goijg 0/6 and then nut tapped me

[simple falcon]

True

[radiant karma]

Tyrese is a fraud

its why siakam won the ECF mvp

[lavish anchor]

imo haliburton is fun to watch since

thats js me tho

[simple falcon]

Correct me if I’m wrong but don’t most mythic zones have like 2 buffs?

[lavish anchor]

yeah

[simple falcon]

Ok yeah I got this then

[flint epoch]

oh not to mention this other time pascal siakam in toronto was at a drake peformance with me and he was right next to me so he js jut tapped me

[radiant karma]

never forgiving that man

im forever a haliburton hater

[simple falcon]

So to be clear, you were bothered by that longer break time?

[flint epoch]

one time the ghost of elvis presely phased through me then nut tapped me

[lavish anchor]

yeah since it pairs a little too well with the extra iframes

[simple falcon]

Alright

[lavish anchor]

whatd homie do 😭

[flint epoch]

ome time this person named ryujiji nut tapped me with a hockey stick at canada maple leafs match

[radiant karma]

eliminate my team 2 years in a row

we were never healthy

[flint epoch]

knicks or cavs?

knicks right.

?

[radiant karma]

bucks

[lavish anchor]

oh dang

[radiant karma]

i also wanted KAT to advanced to the finals

so im also a bit of a knicks fan

[flint epoch]

oh i hate giannis

so corny

[radiant karma]

better than whoever ur fav player is btw

[flint epoch]

bro hes a bum

jokic 10x better

[radiant karma]

Jokic?

the guy that blew 2 game 7s?

the guy that got carried by aaron gordon?

[flint epoch]

https://tenor.com/view/gumball-gumball-and-darwin-ragebait-rage-rage-bait-gif-3159542842826213518

[radiant karma]

https://tenor.com/view/young-thug-shrug-gif-12123711923547266761

[flint epoch]

l

[fierce void]

lf 2v2 d1 min

[lavish anchor]

#1366744516106649602

[fierce void]

oh srr

[lavish anchor]

no worries

[limber kindle]

Would you say emp dribble is better than gold dribble

[lavish anchor]

ehh

nah

i think gold dribble is much more aids

[limber kindle]

Was talking with op here earlier

Saying which one is better

I said gold is miles better than emp dribble

[lavish anchor]

its not even close lol

[limber kindle]

Just look up

[lavish anchor]

dang

[limber kindle]

Yeah in a way he has a point but it's for a specific scenario

Majority of the time the dribble is better

Gold

[lavish anchor]

yeah

golds dribble covers way more distance and does it faster

while knocking down multiple opponents in a radius

[flint epoch]

that’s so skibidi rizz

[lavish anchor]

it might be over yall

chrollo just

confirmed that the upcoming styles will be the most broken

https://youtube.com/shorts/uuQKemQxtiw?si=0GjPWwyzUkqUpgRJ

and dude straight up said that theyre gonna be limited to avoid things being unbalanced

dawg

that is not gonna change anything

how about make the damn styles balanced

thatd also prevent things from being unbalanced too

[wary forge]

What does this even mean

[lost galleon]

Exactly

Bro with all do respect to chrollo he is so bad when it comes to game design

Early on he had it

[lavish anchor]

watch the video

[lost galleon]

But cell was the first shin in thr armor

[lavish anchor]

apparently his way of "avoiding unbalanced stuff" is to make it limited

[wary forge]

We will see how good each style is on the chrollo vs tatlis💀

[wary forge]

Can't rn in public

And on a metro

[lost galleon]

It don't matter. The fact that he thinks making both styles limited will somehow impact how balanced they are is ludicrous

And just shows incompetence when it comes to healthy game design

[wary forge]

Honestly better than having miro atleast ig

Bare minimum

Idk what I'm saying

💔