Emperor Nerfs | Completed!

[simple falcon]

With limiteds yeah, hopefully they stop making em eventually

[lavish anchor]

they should add like

[dawn depot]

If Emp isn’t nerfed on Gold release, then Gold’ll be just as bad and this game will go from bad to unplayable. 😭

[lavish anchor]

one limited every two months

[trim rose]

There's a bug where if you're a copycat you can pass to the other team for sum reason, don't know if they fixed that yet tho

[lavish anchor]

instead of 1 to 2 per month

[lavish anchor]

ah yes

[simple falcon]

Really hype em up

[lavish anchor]

the dream blunt rotation

ace

gold

emperor

[dawn depot]

For every four updates we have, one will involve anything below Mythic rarity. 😭✌️

[simple falcon]

The trinity of BS

[lavish anchor]

i would enjoy going against that surely

[dawn depot]

And even then they had to slop on a rushed Ace “rework” for this one.

[radiant karma]

Ace rework had a lot of potential man

[lavish anchor]

i still

[radiant karma]

They really botched it

[lavish anchor]

firmly believe

that ace rework shouldve been its own upd like star

its so

its just a slaughter man

[dawn depot]

Aomine is like most hyped character with Akashi and they made it like this.

No justice done.

[simple falcon]

They could’ve used mine 😤

[trim rose]

I feel like players have genuinely forgotten it's supposed to be a team game atp

[dawn depot]

Idk why general chat wad saying how amazing Ace is rn.

[lavish anchor]

they somehow made ace more boring to play

lol

[simple falcon]

Well when Ace lets you 1v5 it doesn’t matter

[dawn depot]

I thought the rework was actually good bc I only saw positive feedback.

[radiant karma]

Blue lock has twisted a lot of people's mind "egoist"

[lavish anchor]

i tried it out myself

first thing into the updates release

its

i genuinely got so disappointed i rolled it off for quick

lol

[dawn depot]

Wdym sometimes the Emperor uses Ultimate Pass into Forced Shot!

[simple falcon]

I’ve discovered that low tier players are the backbones of the game. Because they have mastered their mains

And pass

[radiant karma]

Lowkey when I first heard ace was getting a rework

[dawn depot]

See they need to make it so you can use Forced Shot on YOURSELF, so Emperor isn’t so TM reliant.

[trim rose]

Ace has a free 7-9 point awakening, they really pushing it

[radiant karma]

I thought I was gonna be moving like kyrie

Not moving like wally west

[dawn depot]

They miss the whole point of Aomine’s playstyle.

[simple falcon]

You lucky I don’t have the image

[dawn depot]

Which is crazy bc every suggestion I’ve seen understands it.

[simple falcon]

These dudes can’t balance to save their lives

[dawn depot]

His thing isn’t just running it’s fast it’s about his erratic and hard to follow movements, and insane flexibility in shooting. 😭

Instead of giving him a Drive that goes Mach4 they should’ve made it way harder to follow dribbles, and replace Fade with omni directional shot move used in 2 point line for diff animations.

[lavish anchor]

the rework i suggested focused on

more freestyle potential

like aomine

which is the ideal type of playstyle for ace

freestyling

[dawn depot]

I didn’t even bother making Ace rework suggestion bc I already saw so much good ones.

And they still made it so bad. 🥀

[radiant karma]

They genuinely made the awk mode for ace more underhwelming

[lavish anchor]

honestly i never planned

[radiant karma]

It has 1 cutscene now

[lavish anchor]

to make an ace revamp suggestion

[trim rose]

There's an all rounder style I wanted to put in suggestions cuz it was based on what I saw playing street ball against twins irl

[lavish anchor]

until i played ace again

and it bored me to no end

so i made one

lmao

[dawn depot]

When I started game I thought Ace was most no skill thing ever. T

[trim rose]

But after seeing the updates, I didn't even bother

[lavish anchor]

as a beginner

[dawn depot]

Then I tried it out and it still felt no skill but also insanely boring.

[lavish anchor]

ace was the biggest threat to me

[dawn depot]

Overtime I realized it’s actually JUST boring.

[lavish anchor]

that athletic drive into fade was my nightmare

[radiant karma]

It was sniper for me

[dawn depot]

Now when I see it I’m like “all that for 3 points”. 🥀

Well actually now I see it and I’m like “Chrollo stop devving”.

[trim rose]

When I first started I used phantom at the time, I'm still waiting for that rework

[lavish anchor]

now when i see the athletic drive i just

position

for inbound

just score dawg

[dawn depot]

They also made Athletic Fade like insanely wide.

[lavish anchor]

nobody taking the ball from you

[dawn depot]

I saw some dude score when literally whole team was trying to block him.

Bc his hitbox got moved so far away.

[lavish anchor]

i made a suggestion for it recently

[radiant karma]

Athletic fade is still the same

It's just a little faster

[lavish anchor]

yeah

timing is a bit different now

just a bit

[dawn depot]

Maybe everyone’s thrown off on it like Floater.

Floater is super free rn but bc no one knows timing.

[lavish anchor]

floater is like

quickstep drives layup

[dawn depot]

Gonna get blocked so hard soon.

[lavish anchor]

nobody knows what it is

lmao

[dawn depot]

Still think Fetch could’ve gotten a better second move.

Than a random 2 pointer.

Ig they figured game already has too much defensive moves though.

[radiant karma]

Replace floater with pressure defense pls

[trim rose]

The shot on athletic fade is jus as fast as snipers quick release after the step, you have to be in the air long before they even shoot to block it but it's hard

[lavish anchor]

floater shouldve been replaced with like

a jump move

[trim rose]

Frl, fetch is dog fodder

[lavish anchor]

where you get to the air in a split second

[trim rose]

Literally

[lavish anchor]

or

an omni directional dash

[radiant karma]

Rodman is a rebounder + defender

[lavish anchor]

where it dashes towards the ball no matter what direction it is

[radiant karma]

Idk why they added an offensive move

[lavish anchor]

up down

allat

[dawn depot]

Hard to figure bc they already have so much defensive moves ingame.

[radiant karma]

Makes no sense at all

[lavish anchor]

imo nobody can match him in rebounds

dude is cracked

[trim rose]

They based it off him? That's vile😭

[radiant karma]

He was the primary reason the bulls won a another three peat

He's good at everything but offense

[dawn depot]

People that say Chrollo only makes OC chars vro. 😭

People will look at Phantom and Emperor, and tell you that is an OC style.

[trim rose]

Chrollo and the dev team had no idea what tf they was doing when making Fetch, saying sum BS about repetition when you gave Ace instinct dash which is jus dive without requirements 😮‍💨

[radiant karma]

Sometimes the dive doesn't even work

Which is irritating

[dawn depot]

When the Dive does work it’s cool, but like what am I gonna do with Floater.

[trim rose]

Frl, any move that has physical requirements are bugged

Lock has the same thing

Where you use it but it doesn't work

[radiant karma]

Get blocked

[lavish anchor]

the devs should have better conditions other than

"GET A DUDE IN FRONT OF YOU NOOOOWWWW"

[simple falcon]

Unless you get the ball in a crowd and everyone is confused where the ball is

[trim rose]

It's no different from a regular layup except slower

[radiant karma]

Really in a game where contested shots barely works, fetch brings no value to this game

[dawn depot]

Chrollo’s a genius, by adding an easily blockable move to Fetch, he actually buffs Fetch because that’s more chances to use Dive!

[simple falcon]

Other than its awk, but there’s 2 other styles who are better that do the same thing

[radiant karma]

Fetch is a worse star

[simple falcon]

It’s a worse Flash and Lock in my opinion

[trim rose]

Fetch is a worse everything😭

[tall sleet]

gang imagine

each style had their own unique dribbling animation

[radiant karma]

Comparing it to flash is kinda insane

[trim rose]

It doesn't even touch flash, it has no useful moves

[simple falcon]

Its mainly their abilities to get the ball from rebounds and their defense awks

[trim rose]

That would take alot of time to do

[tall sleet]

but it would be cool tho

[trim rose]

You have a 1/10 chance to get awakening, it's useless😮‍💨

[simple falcon]

Yeah, here lemme expand upon my statement. If you turned flash and took away everything that made it good, you’d have fetch

[lavish anchor]

am i tripping

or

[trim rose]

Ngl even the stuff that made flash bad is better than fetch, you give it too much credit

[lavish anchor]

is floater just

the same animation as quickstep drive layip

[trim rose]

Atp, we gotta remove fetch from the game😔

[lavish anchor]

hell naw

its fun

i like it

its got that

"you ladies alright?" typa vibe to it

[simple falcon]

If you didn’t have the requirements on Dive I think fetch would be deserving of its epic rank

[limber kindle]

Ngl whenever i see a fetch user and they use that ult i alway say good boy

Triggers them everytime

[lavish anchor]

aw hell nah 😭

[limber kindle]

Thats what i been doing lmao

They dive for the ball? good boy

[lavish anchor]

its literally

dog themed

[trim rose]

Didn't wanna retype it

I can make a better balanced version

[lavish anchor]

i used to make movesets as a job so seeing some movesets in the game gives me depression lmao

[simple falcon]

I don’t have a concept job. But I really want one

[lavish anchor]

its pretty fun

i had a lot of liberty in that job luckily

i worked for two games but thats about it

[simple falcon]

It seems fun, you make whatever you want. And if they like it they use it, if they don’t you think of a new one

So much room for creativity

[lament ember]

dive is pretty useful

[lavish anchor]

its one of the best side jobs ive had

[simple falcon]

The problem is how situational it is

[lavish anchor]

incredibly enjoyable

you dont get to use dive that much since the ball rarely gets loose lol

[lament ember]

it's used on defense ofc it's gonna be situational

[lavish anchor]

defense is not situational dawg

[lament ember]

yes it is

[lavish anchor]

i wouldnt mind if you could use dive on passes

[simple falcon]

There was still a lot of stuff they could’ve done with it if they didn’t restrict it

[trim rose]

There are too many off ball Mobility moves for dive to be useful ngl

[lament ember]

it's an epic rarity

those don't really get much

not even legendaries do tbh

[simple falcon]

If it didn’t have the requirements it could be for movement, you could dive for passes, or use it how it is rn but not be buggy

[trim rose]

Yet quick is alot better for utility

[lavish anchor]

yeah

unironically

[lament ember]

quick is used for offense

[lavish anchor]

dive does what fetch does but can be used in more situations

[lament ember]

the speed boost isn't THAT high either

I dont think it stacks up with 777

[lavish anchor]

quick also assists defense a lot

[trim rose]

And defense, and rebounding, it's good for everything

[lavish anchor]

lol

[simple falcon]

Say that to my drift defense

[lavish anchor]

quick is an all rounder

[limber kindle]

Is the skill usable while someone has the ball?

[lament ember]

say that to my giant defense 🙏

[lavish anchor]

you cant use

[lament ember]

No

[lavish anchor]

dive

unless the ball is loose

which is why it kinda sucks

[simple falcon]

Why would I say that to giant? It’s made for that

[limber kindle]

Then that would make dive just a better intercept

[lament ember]

you can only use it when someone blocks a shot or pass or they miss it

[trim rose]

It's only usable when someone blocks a shot or on a loose ball, sometimes it doesn't even work

[limber kindle]

If u can use it on passes

[lavish anchor]

i wouldnt say its better

you still have to position

[limber kindle]

Well its better cuz u cant get stolen from

[lavish anchor]

unlike intercept where it sends you straight to the ball

also less range

[limber kindle]

U said it if it works on passes right?

[lament ember]

have you guys noticed that you literally can not block feint into passes

or shots into passes

[lavish anchor]

its not needed for it to steal passes

[limber kindle]

Just spam the skill infront of someone until they pass

[lament ember]

you can only counter it with either lock giant or emperor

[lavish anchor]

but the requirement for it should be removed

[limber kindle]

Boom

Emp reach all over again

[lavish anchor]

you can counter it

with

[lament ember]

you can still steal the ball from lock when they intercept it

[lavish anchor]

proper defense

just intercept the ball

lol

[lavish anchor]

as i said its not needed

[limber kindle]

Or yk play ranked

[lament ember]

no one uses lock often

[lavish anchor]

for it to steal passes

[trim rose]

they completely ignored it, you know how much potential an animal based style has? Enough to be a legendary, practically near mythical, but they ignored it

[limber kindle]

No pump passes on ranked

[simple falcon]

Doesn’t it not work?

[lavish anchor]

wasnt talking abt lock

just

defend properly

intercept the pass

[limber kindle]

U can but u will get blocked

[simple falcon]

Gotcha

[limber kindle]

Unlike pubs

[lavish anchor]

3 updates

[lament ember]

that's situational and most of the time it does not work in 5v5s

[lavish anchor]

no emp nerf

amazing

[simple falcon]

Playing man to man is situational?

[lavish anchor]

intercepting a pass is not situational

what

you literally just

get in front of the dude

and jump when the pass goes towards them

its literally bottom of the barrel defense

imo

the requirements for dive shouldnt be a thing

it holds the style back a lot

[simple falcon]

Agreed

[trim rose]

They completely missed out on making one of the best defense styles, you know how much stuff guard dogs can do?

[simple falcon]

Could’ve made it a man mark beast

[trim rose]

Frl, I thought of some skills it could've gotten already

[simple falcon]

They fumbled hard with fetch, and I feel like quick would be way better if they didn’t mess with my FOV or my strafe movement

[trim rose]

Yea

[lavish anchor]

as it stands rn

by the time gold releases

you wont be seeing a single

style

[misty fossil]

Don’t nerf it bro, I have it

[lavish anchor]

below miracle

[simple falcon]

Tell me what it ISNT good at

[misty fossil]

I have it bro, don’t nerf iy

[simple falcon]

Case closed your honor

[lavish anchor]

his entire reason is that he just wants to continue being a crayon eater

as per usual

[limber kindle]

Guys dont nerf it

i think he has it

[misty fossil]

Yes

[lavish anchor]

idk just a hunch but he might have it

[misty fossil]

Atleast im being honest

[lavish anchor]

no thats called being stupid but close enough

[simple falcon]

We all are

[limber kindle]

Hes not stupid, its just that he has emp thats why he thinks like that

[lament bramble]

I think a nerf as such is not necessary, but definitely an indicator of the defense mode, like lock

[trim rose]

Dive could've been smth like Pounce, similar to Star's dash, has 2 variants, Get out running on all fours to knock the ball out of your opponents hands while stunning them, can't be dribbled against but automatically stops when the player passes

[limber kindle]

Emp automatically lowers your IQ by 150

[trim rose]

Since you lost your target

[lavish anchor]

and adds a few extra chromosomes

[misty fossil]

Stupid would be me being oblivious to the fact its op

I know it is

[misty fossil]

Fr

Maybe

[lavish anchor]

perchance

[limber kindle]

You cant just say that

[lavish anchor]

by the

[limber kindle]

turt

[simple falcon]

I got silenced

[trim rose]

And Floater, instead of the lay up, slam the ball onto the court and bounces high and then falls into the net from the 2 point line, unstoppable 2 pointer

[simple falcon]

Note to self, you can’t say the A word for gorilla

[trim rose]

That way it's actually a floater

[trim rose]

You mean the primate that starts with M?

[simple falcon]

No

[limber kindle]

nop

[trim rose]

I got silenced for that, you also cant say the name of a certain mystical creature

[limber kindle]

Thats not what a floater is

[trim rose]

I know, but it's jus a thought

[trim rose]

It's an animal after all, when we got ppl teleporting and flying I think we can be a lil free you know

[lethal heath]

Indicator wouldn't even do much a nerf is definitely needed

[lament ember]

sorry for the late reply but I got auto muted, what I wanted to say is that when you feint into pass you get iframes so you cannot block the shot, and the first half second of a passed ball cannot be intercepted especially on short range

you can only counter it with moves such as snatch block, intercept or emperor reach

jackpot steal can work with feints but the problem is that jackpots steal windup is too long to be able to match with the feint ball pass

it does work but the opponent has to be in feint for a second or more

[supple swallow]

Guys this new style is totally fun to use!!!

[lavish anchor]

turning the court into a

geometry project

[supple swallow]

The Ace Rework is great guys

it goes so perfectly with Emperor

[proper elbow]

sthu losers

[supple swallow]

Ace boutta slowly turn into Emperor 1.5 at this point

[lavish anchor]

i did not realize how far fade goes now

thats gonna be fun

[supple swallow]

the fade is just guaranteed even if you block it lol

[lavish anchor]

aw hell nah 😭

[supple swallow]

Guys this update is W. We got ace rework and sniper chem react (once per awk vs star+pha's unlimited)

[lavish anchor]

amazing

[supple swallow]

The Bugs got fixed in no time, so theres no problems at all whatsoever

[lavish anchor]

they coulda just made it

like

restricted to pass moves

to trigger snipers chem

like bullet pass or lucky pass

then put it on base

or

keep it in awk

but only a few uses

[supple swallow]

oh the Dive move is so great too, it gets consumed even if you dont get the ball

you dive towards the ball, miss and lose a skill for 60s

and you can use it in a lot of cases. Where they miss (you can hit shots farther than before) or if you block (the shot goes through anyway)

and thats... it

[lavish anchor]

the requirements for it suck

it should be removed

[supple swallow]

nah just make the range big and the dash actually guarantee the catch

let it be at any time the ball is loose

they should fix the pass issue just dropping for no reason too

but its fine because its only an epic because anything less than Legendary should suck

no wonder theres no kit reveals hours prior to the update

[lavish anchor]

https://tenor.com/view/funny-gif-9791600234365446047

[supple swallow]

Its hard to get so it should be broken

[light plinth]

its buffed as hell that its like a miracle rarity ace

[bitter vector]

If you use emp you will see why it does NOT need a nerf

[wary forge]

Alright so we make it really buns💀
I'd keep it between 5-7.5 it's actually 10 seconds long it's actually ages so yea 5-7.5 is good

Also he should have less range cuz sometimes I'm saving some at a distance

Also emperor is miracle so a small nerf is justified I guess

Yea it's like 20 seconds or smth maybe 12-15 is fine since it is an awakening move

[dark jewel]

8400 messages on this thread

It's so funny

All of this arguing and emperor still hasn't gotten nerfed

[supple swallow]

Just git gud at playing against emp

[wary forge]

Good for saving a dunk ig

[supple swallow]

because its so easy to fight aaginst an unseeable auto block, an auto shoot with an unblockable pass

Lets not forget that this unseeable block has half court range bc the only real restriction is being able to look at the guy

and the awk variant makes it even more severe

with a very long duration that can bait out 3 dribbles, an ability dribble and another set of dribbles while still keeping the ability to steal which totally helps their auto defense that nobody has any idea whether or not its active

[rain wren]

i do not agree with this person as i love spamming the brain dead move emperor's reach and devs should not nerf it as it is perfect

[hollow summit]

yk what they really need for emperor

add the line where he says I am the absolute when using emperor reach

https://tenor.com/view/harry-nikolopoulos-haralabos-harry-nikolopoulos-haralabos-nikolopoulos-gif-11531253501434164047

[topaz acorn]

majority of players are emperors and children so emp wont get nerfed cope

[pliant fossil]

emperor is really boring to play

and its boring to play against emperors

whole 3v3 is emperors only

[dawn depot]

[limber kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

Making it require you to think now is buns apparently💀

Just goes to show how emp is making yall lose IQ

[supple swallow]

doesnt Lock Hands Up have less than half of what Emp reach has in duration while also having 80% Less Range

Emps 7-10s vs Locks 3-5s
Emps half court vs Locks player size hitbox
emps Works on every move at half court vs Locks working only if you're hugging the guy

[limber kindle]

One of hands up biggest weakness is the range it has is the weakness

Its so terrible

[supple swallow]

dont forget the slow down as if you were in defense stance

[limber kindle]

Is really easy to play around it

[limber kindle]

Exactly

[supple swallow]

you legit need a Zone to counter it

just to make it usable

[limber kindle]

And it has an indicator

[daring rapids]

i have emperor and i think it does need a nerf

[supple swallow]

Small as hell but still an indicator

[limber kindle]

People don't know when you have emp reach activated

[supple swallow]

You are immediately smarter than 95% of emp users on this game. Congrats

[supple swallow]

no sound, no anim, no nothing, just guess for 7-10s

[limber kindle]

Not even guess

[daring rapids]

that's cool. still they need a fix on the reach tho

[limber kindle]

Just wait for 2 dribbles

[supple swallow]

Agreed

[limber kindle]

Press a button

[daring rapids]

i find it unfair how i can just snatch the ball without them knowing

[limber kindle]

Get the steal

[supple swallow]

"Just dribble" bro it literally eats even zone boosted dribbles. like even +1 dribble doesnt work on it

[daring rapids]

like everything else is fine. but like cmon. the reach is hella broken

[supple swallow]

Dont forget the auto shoot lmao

[daring rapids]

oh yea that too

[supple swallow]

its bugged rn but its still broken how its frame 1

faster than sniper quick release too

the animation only happens after you shoot

[daring rapids]

bro i have the perfection zone and i still cant beat it

[supple swallow]

which is crazy

[limber kindle]

What is bro saying

[supple swallow]

you know somethings bad when even perfection (albeit after nerfs) still has trouble

[daring rapids]

bro even passing is not safe

[supple swallow]

bro passing is still stolen whats u on

bro has definitely only gotten emp just now

[daring rapids]

that shi is just robbing at this point💀

[limber kindle]

I think he mains emp

[supple swallow]

he does not know how much emp can do with 1 button

[supple swallow]

oh right no brain required to play it. forgot, they dont need to think, just press C then V

[daring rapids]

ngl as i emp player i can understand yall struggles

[supple swallow]

this is the worst defense stance ever bro

[daring rapids]

like this shi is crazy

[supple swallow]

dont defend something just cuz u have it

[limber kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-crazy-meme-black-dude-gif-26836077

[supple swallow]

dont even consider other povs

[limber kindle]

Emp mains

[supple swallow]

Bro i cant even play any style that doesnt have a cutscene because that Emp reach is just bull 💀

[daring rapids]

fr

[limber kindle]

Oh yeah

Emp also bypasses cutscenes btw

[supple swallow]

@daring rapids LIKE BRO???

[limber kindle]

So u can't even use that

[supple swallow]

EVEN PLAYMAKER ULY GETS REACHED

[limber kindle]

Do you play ranked

What rank are you

[supple swallow]

not even just ranked bro. Do you even play the game at all

[limber kindle]

Answer the question

[daring rapids]

bro i just wonder what its even like using basketball god

like you telling me 40 lucky spins cant even get me it but 3 emperors?

like the luck base is crazy

[limber kindle]

That makes sense

[supple swallow]

For 7-10s a player that had shot, passed or released the ball in any way shape or form without any warning indicator, animation or sound cue will immediately have their ball stolen as long as the user is within Half court Range (half the map)

Then right after stealing it, has 2s of being unable to steal the ball from them.

[limber kindle]

@supple swallow we got the answer it all makes sense now

[pliant fossil]

i dont think they will nerf emperor

[daring rapids]

like imma hop of basketballzero rn

[daring rapids]

they should

[pliant fossil]

devs think its perfectly balanced

[limber kindle]

Better than most players😂

[supple swallow]

You probably dont even have more than 700 3pters

[pliant fossil]

what are you saying

[limber kindle]

Thats actually an insane take

[supple swallow]

shepherd i have the rolls rn wanna playtest how broken emp really is?

[limber kindle]

Get to champ on ranked before you start yapping lil bro

[smoky trout]

ok mr im learning by myself

[daring rapids]

this is my current spin slots, am i cooked?

[limber kindle]

Hes better than you btw

Since he said so

[supple swallow]

"Its a very hard to get style"

"Its a very rare style"

[naive wigeon]

this is the skibidi toilet of suggestion threads. zero meaningful conversations are held here. may god save this channel.

[pliant fossil]

only people like @vestal cradle defend emperor

they think its a skill issue

[smoky trout]

😱😱

[pliant fossil]

that you lose against emperors

[supple swallow]

"You need to play 50hrs minimum to get emperor"

[daring rapids]

bro i just got lucky

[limber kindle]

@vestal cradle said he's better than you

[pliant fossil]

its clear that you dont have many hours played

[naive wigeon]

he is better than me 😔

actually hes better than all of us

[supple swallow]

it was full of them until everyone who cared became tired and desparate for the lack of emperor nerfs

[smoky trout]

sigh

[limber kindle]

Guys I think he's the best in the game

[smoky trout]

im qutting the game because hes better than me...

[supple swallow]

you wanna hop on so we can get clips of emp

[naive wigeon]

refer me to one instance

this is brainrot

[daring rapids]

aight. sent the username

[limber kindle]

Theres no point in playing when there's guys like him on the court😔

[naive wigeon]

speak english

[supple swallow]

i havent been here in the first 4k messages, i was afk for the 4-6k and only got interested in the last 7k but i saw instances of potential balance discussion

[smoky trout]

the true akashi of bbz😔

[supple swallow]

JuukioHaiji

[naive wigeon]

👿😈

[limber kindle]

Bro is even better than akashi😔

[daring rapids]

sent

[naive wigeon]

that never lead to anything 😔

[supple swallow]

unfortunately it trailed off into getting mad at emp

so yeah-

[pliant fossil]

hes talking about you

ur so good at the game

[daring rapids]

bro imma use emp to show how broken it is, also unfortunately, since my pc is some dogshi i cant take clips

[limber kindle]

Not good, best

[naive wigeon]

that's just a byproduct of people throwing away the veneer of caring about the game and then fully indulging in their spite

[pliant fossil]

fr

[naive wigeon]

pls nerf emp chrowwow uwu 😔

[pliant fossil]

they will have to nerf it

people complain

you know

they complained about ace being bad and they buffed it

[naive wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/real-reijikurose-reiji-kurose-boysabyss-boys-abyss-gif-9042764706041277263

this game ruined my life

[fiery spade]

also emperor has quicks dash but better

so its also even faster now

[pliant fossil]

its quickstep drive

[fiery spade]

yeah

[pliant fossil]

but with a dash

[fiery spade]

but like

you go faster than the speed char?

[pliant fossil]

idk

[fiery spade]

the speed character is unironically really slow and its sad

I think they should make it an epic and buff it a bit

[limber kindle]

The speed is actually really good

[pliant fossil]

its fine for a rare

fetch is bad tho

really really bad

[limber kindle]

Ur faster than anyone with boost

Fetch yeah

Fetch shoulda been the rare

[fiery spade]

hear me out guys

we get chrollo to make a mythic speed cahr

[pliant fossil]

fetch shouldnt even be in the game

[fiery spade]

who can just tp across the court

[limber kindle]

[pliant fossil]

its so unusable

[smoky trout]

Ace

[fiery spade]

true ig

I always thought of ace as a dribbler but he is really fast now

[smoky trout]

ion know why

rhey made him so fast

i mean i guess he was shown outspeeding everyone

[fiery spade]

maybe

but like

[smoky trout]

but the fact he stayed a mythic

is absurd

[fiery spade]

yeah

also do yall know what gold is?

[limber kindle]

He already was with his old drive

[fiery spade]

the next miracle

[smoky trout]

nash most likely

[fiery spade]

cause I aint watched the show

[smoky trout]

well with emp you could do the same

[smoky trout]

its a char based of the knb movie

[fiery spade]

what kinda abilities?

or like general theme ig

[smoky trout]

not saying its confirmed

brother i dont know how to tell you this

[limber kindle]

Imagine emp

[smoky trout]

emperor but betrer

[limber kindle]

But equal or better

[smoky trout]

in every way

[fiery spade]

alr

[supple swallow]

Played a match with @daring rapids, Emperors reach proc'd 8 times in 4min from both sides total

[past phoenix]

Then why even seperate it from a mythic tbh

[daring rapids]

i was straight cooking them

[past phoenix]

Like yall lowkey too used to rng games it’s post to be weighted

[supple swallow]

All i did was spam Dive

and it didnt even work half the time

[daring rapids]

and yet did better than our other teammates

they was just some npcs

[topaz acorn]

8 * 3 = 24 points btw even 4 emp reaches almost gurantee you to get half more points than the enemy team

[supple swallow]

oh i didnt count passes, i just counted the ball stolen

[topaz acorn]

the one who has a ball will make sure to score a 3 most of the time

[supple swallow]

no ult passes used, just ball steals

this was a pub match with 4 emps, 2 on ally 2 on enemy

[limber kindle]

They just need to nerf emp reach, everything else is fine as is

[topaz acorn]

pass isnt alright

[daring rapids]

fr like i was catching passes and shots

even @supple swallow saw it

[limber kindle]

Pass is fine, its the shot thats the problem

[daring rapids]

blue lock rivals flashbacks

[supple swallow]

emp reach is also ult pass too btw

[topaz acorn]

i mean when you get +30 zone meter to someone you pass is not normal

and emp's pass is a better phantom pass

[daring rapids]

i got ace yall

is it good?

[fiery spade]

isnt emperor supposed to not be able to use reach after a block

cause one just used it to block my shot while still in the air from jumping?

whats the point of doing a pumpfake if they can just counter it 😭

[lavish anchor]

top 2 mythics rn

[past phoenix]

Most have no basketball IQ and just like anime , the ppl who got interested because of 2k and basketball games r the ones w iq

[past phoenix]

Which ones

[lavish anchor]

im saying that ace is top 2

[past phoenix]

Ohhh

What do the blue lines do

[supple swallow]

ace only

[daring rapids]

man i swear we goated

[past phoenix]

Yea ppl rather chase mvp than win

I had to adjust to that as someone who came because of my interest in 2k

[supple swallow]

I chase the ball, yall shoot. unfrotunately this is the rarity of being able to actually play fetch semi-decently

[past phoenix]

I thought it was normal to swing the rock

[supple swallow]

it doesnt care, its emperor. Clearly a fair and Balanced style that only a few people have since its so hard to get

[daring rapids]

ngl i should use emp more to get better at it

[past phoenix]

Egoists

[limber kindle]

Copy

[daring rapids]

like ngl without the reach I'd suck like all hell

[supple swallow]

im just playing Epics and going to town with em

[daring rapids]

so true

[supple swallow]

try playing lock you'll learn how to play defense, albeit slowly

its strong, but you need actual awareness to play it

[lavish anchor]

copy is top 1 mythics and ace is 2nd place

[supple swallow]

like when to spam the C key and not put it on cd accidentally

[daring rapids]

bro whos buying the dog emote??💀 💀

[topaz acorn]

CC is top 2 only when enemy team has ace / emp / sniper / fetch / flash

[limber kindle]

Oh you were only doing mythics

[fiery spade]

I have it I just dont like using it cause its unskilled

but yeah its op

[limber kindle]

Yeah ur almost guaranteed to find emp/ace so it's top 2 style in the game to rn

[topaz acorn]

well true but ace is more safe than cc

but cc is better

[limber kindle]

I had over 4m before bbg scammed me

Now only 800k

[naive wigeon]

💀

do you have quick spin game pass

[limber kindle]

Yes

[naive wigeon]

thank god

[limber kindle]

That backfired on me during the bbg bug

[naive wigeon]

would’ve been like 4 hours of straight spinning otherwise

[topaz acorn]

rolling for bbg and then realizing that bbg is boring af

[naive wigeon]

bro joined after BOOSTEDCODE 😭

[limber kindle]

I would still have over 285 lucky spins if I didn't have quick spin 💀

I got scammed 3.5m 400 normal spins and 285 lucky spins during the bbg bug

Was never compensated btw

All because I can click fast

[topaz acorn]

didnt they compensate only for ppl who bought the spins

i mean who tf would buy lucky spins anyway

its like 1k robux for 10

[limber kindle]

Except I didnt

I earner it through days and days of grinding afk world

So I couldn't be compensated

[naive wigeon]

200+ lucky spins is a little crazy ngl

what do you plan on doing with that amount

[limber kindle]

Save it until they release a ultra rare style

Sum like 0.05

Idk

But yeah I had 4m for a reason

Its because I was hard grinding afk place

200+ lucky spins was the bonus

Gold

[quick turtle]

must nerf it, like perfection

make something like global cooldown

[supple swallow]

i like how everyone defaults to that idea of a global cooldown its funny

[daring rapids]

back from another match

[topaz acorn]

thats crazy tbh cuz i get 0 lucky spins per afk night and around 300k money most of the time

[daring rapids]

global cooldown is crazy

[supple swallow]

Bro...

[limber kindle]

Yeah well those 200 lucky spins were because I've been grinding afk ever since it came out

[lavish anchor]

i have 1,562 yen

[supple swallow]

i have 10 pesos

[limber kindle]

I got 15 vbucks

[supple swallow]

real bank acc

[daring rapids]

bro @supple swallow someone rage quit after getting emp reached 3 times in a row💀 💀 💀

[supple swallow]

was it val?

[daring rapids]

nah its was that flash dude

[supple swallow]

if it was val then yeah, theyre mad at how no iq it was

OH WHAT the flash dude has integrity

respect on them

[daring rapids]

i got 1 robux

im rich

[supple swallow]

it is what it is

anyway nerf emp

cyall later

[daring rapids]

so rich

[radiant karma]

I will not tolerate fetch disrespect

[supple swallow]

Fetch is a fun ash style, its really really cool when it isnt getting bullied by emp

[trim rose]

Bruh they gave Ace the exact same move except better and with no requirements, I'm not the one downplaying it, the devs are, I saw an ace use use instinct dash and he went across the entire court, doesn't look like there's a limit to the ranger

[radiant karma]

But Is ace rodman

Checkmate

[trim rose]

No, but it sure as hell better than rodman, they did the style dirty, straight up ingored the potential the concept has

[radiant karma]

I was being satire

[trim rose]

Ion know how Chrollo's mind works

[radiant karma]

If they replaced floater with a defensive move it'd be a good style

Since rodman's whole gimmick isn't his offense

It's his defense + rebound

Floater is massively holding the style back

[trim rose]

The requirements for dive are too

[radiant karma]

And when I say defense not a move like snatch block, jackpot steal or star leap

[trim rose]

It doesn't even work sometimes, like locks intercept

[radiant karma]

But more akin to pressure defense

[supple swallow]

turn floater into a dunk and i'll be happy

[supple swallow]

lower the cooldown or sumn to 30s from how many times it doesnt work

[trim rose]

That's the same thing I said, where the player chase down the ball holder and knocks the ball out of their hands, smth like what a guard dog would do

That would make dive alot more viable

[radiant karma]

Man they fumbled on a lot of concepts this upd

Regardless I still love fetch

[supple swallow]

New Style "Hunter", can mark a specific person and if that person has the ball gain buffs on all moves in base

[trim rose]

And if that person passes?

[supple swallow]

Dive can now work like intercept

Dive w/o mark, only for miss/blocked balls
Dive w/ mark, passes, shoots, blocked, miss. just like emp fr

but seriously though having a Style that has move combos would be great

use V then C to get a different move or C then V to get a different one

[radiant karma]

Devs aren't smart enough for that

Not one single idea they took from suggestions

[trim rose]

They wanted to try and avoid that, saying smth about repetition, but they don't think things through

Saying you want to avoid repetition but gave Ace a off ball variant when the two styles you added are off ball styles is so stupid

And you gave Ace the better off ball move than both the off ball styles combined😮‍💨

[reef moon]

If emperor gets nerfed i may get hope back for the game

[trim rose]

Hopefully, cuz 94 ppl seem to enjoy the emperor spam

[wary forge]

???? 3 seconds is crazy low lmao

all-rounder style more like i can do anything but defend 💔

5-7.5 is fine since its 10 seconds

now i think of it tho 5-6

[supple swallow]

the only reason why it looks like it can only defend bc the defense is so broken that its the only thing ppl that makes it think its a defense style

[limber kindle]

5 is still too long

[wary forge]

dude u can dribble it out or do a short pass

makes it let u use ur own iq

[limber kindle]

Thats still guaranteed possession change

[reef moon]

STOP SAYING YIH CAN DRIBBLE IT OUT

[limber kindle]

https://tenor.com/view/akkubaba007-jerry-laugh-akku-fav-gif-gif-16150872697915744919

[wary forge]

if it was 5 seconds

[reef moon]

IF THEY WAIT FOR YOUR 2ND or third dribble it's a guaranteed steal

[wary forge]

q q q and use a move

[limber kindle]

Are you stupid

[reef moon]

Yea except you dont know when it's active

[limber kindle]

Using a move to counter a move doesn't not make it balanced

Thats how u know its braindead

[reef moon]

Also they'd just wait until you use your dribbles and it's gg

[limber kindle]

Even then if they used a move

U still have like 3 seconds for them to not do anything

[wary forge]

i said i agreed with the vfx indicator4

[reef moon]

Cool but you still can't do much

The range on thet thing needs to be decreased

[limber kindle]

Im really getting tired of emp mains man

[reef moon]

You can slide in from BEHIND people and grab ts like what😭

[limber kindle]

They want to "nerf" it so that people just shut up

No

If they nerf it

They better nerf it properly

[reef moon]

But hands up gotta have the smallest range entirely it's crazy

[limber kindle]

3 seconds is the ideal area since it requires some thinking to use

[trim rose]

Frl

[limber kindle]

With 5-7.5 seconds it's still the same

Wait 2 dribbles

Press a button

Get the ball

[reef moon]

EXACTLY

Like wym dribble them out these people are that dumb 😭

Arent

[limber kindle]

He gotta be using emp reach before the player even dribbles and thats why he thinks u can dribble it out

[wary forge]

do u read

what i say

or just say anything

i also said range needs to be lowered

[reef moon]

In this conversation or way earlier on

[limber kindle]

Range is fine, just the duration needs to be 3 seconds and needs an indicator

Literally just make it 3 seconds and it solves everything

[wary forge]

earlier i think

[trim rose]

A emp user one caught my shot from my side of the court while I was on his, it's too far

[supple swallow]

For some future predicting it really needs some brainpower to press 1 key and predict when theyll pass/shoot/fake while also being able to STEAL WHILE ITS ACTIVE

[limber kindle]

Giant and star leap can do the same

Just that the duration makes it too easy to use

Snatch and star leap actually requires timing

Emp reach doesnt

[supple swallow]

I made this but its a spur of a moment thing

[limber kindle]

Im confused because u need to look at someone to have reach activate

And if ur looking at someone it drains 2-3x as much

So it would be 3 seconds anyway so why are u disagreeing with me?

[wary forge]

then why are we adding a vfx indicator?

yk what if its 3 seconds then no vfx indicator

[trim rose]

To get from one side or the other they at least need to move, emperor reach's jus straight up teleports so it doesn't matter how fast you shoot, can't even pumpfake

[wary forge]

cuz u are looking at them anyway

[supple swallow]

i didnt

didnt say i did

[limber kindle]

I was talking to him

[wary forge]

but like that 5 second is gold because its a miracle style

also its on global cooldown

so he cant really pass with its move afterwards

just dribble and then hope to see a free spot

[limber kindle]

Vfx indicator because it would atleast let them know its being used

[wary forge]

then why would u shoot?

literally kinda defeats the purpose of the reach

[limber kindle]

Hence they can pumpfake and hopefully run it out but if they aren't paying attention then it gets punished

Like any other skill

Also i don't think it should get global cd

Just give it 3 seconds

An indicator

And its fine

[wary forge]

hold on ima check rn how long it is

exact time

[limber kindle]

The purpose of reach is to help you on defense

Not do the job for you

[wary forge]

aaaand private servers are broken

[wary forge]

what if it was reworked

but how would it be instead 💀

[limber kindle]

What do you have in mind

[wary forge]

hm

maybe slow down time just a little to react faster? idk

my ideas suck

💔

[limber kindle]

They could make it a timing thing

Where if its like if u time it, it deflect the ball

But if u perfect time it, it snatches it like it does now

[wary forge]

time it and its 3 seconds without indicator maybe

[wide pike]

vfx indicator is a good addition cuz then at least you can counter it

[wary forge]

u can last 3 seconds of someone staring at u

[limber kindle]

So it rewards skill

[wide pike]

even if it's still 8s

u can just not dribble

that way their teammates will have to come in and help

if they're skilled

and if you've thought that far you can stall with a dribble move

like flowstep or ace's new drive

[wary forge]

grow a garden is not letting me view my own private server i feel like they have 5m ccu

[limber kindle]

No 8 seconds is too long even with indicator

[wary forge]

letme check

[limber kindle]

Keep in mind

If someone has reach active

[wide pike]

but they can just not dribble then

[wary forge]

11 MILLION

[limber kindle]

YOU CANT DO ANYTHING

Meaning the teamate can rush u and steal the ball

And u cant do anything about it

[wary forge]

what if it was 5 seconds and indicator and less range

so if u have a move that travels enough

u can pass

[wide pike]

this would be good although the range doesn't really need a nerf

y'know i would be happy if it was just passes only

[limber kindle]

Range is fine

[wide pike]

even with no other nerfs

[wary forge]

or if its a close pass then it doesnt work

[limber kindle]

We got skills like snatch and stsr

[wide pike]

genius

hire this guy

[wary forge]

bro the range is crazy 😭

only sometimes

its kinda a 50/50

[wide pike]

so close...

[wary forge]

sometimes im just astouned as to why i can reach that

[limber kindle]

U haven't seen snatch or star leap then

[wide pike]

its been years...

[limber kindle]

But that actually requires skills

[wary forge]

oh

nah ive seen those people like actually jump far and dash

[wide pike]

tal reys tomb at 1pm 😎

[wary forge]

not really save anything tho

[limber kindle]

They can block from halfcourt

[wary forge]

i aint seen somebody do that once

ive only seen someone steal the ball from their teammate with it

[limber kindle]

It happens often in high rank

But thats fine because it actually takes skill to do

[wary forge]

here in the silvers we get the emperors reach treatment

[limber kindle]

But emp reach really doesnt

[limber kindle]

Oh this was before emp was a thing

Now everyone is using emp in high rank

Why use a style when the style can play for you

[wary forge]

idk man if emps reach was 3s and with indicator whos falling for it in ranked

[limber kindle]

More than you think

[wary forge]

couldnt they wait it out and then pass if they stopped to shoot

[limber kindle]

It will require some thinking to use

[wary forge]

dude if theres a big ahh red dot over my head who is shooting 😭🙏

[limber kindle]

Not really, if u notice someone dribbles and then passes right away u can use it just before they use up their last dribble

[wary forge]

it should be nerfed but not to the grounds

[limber kindle]

It doesnt nerf it to the ground

It just won't be op as before

[wary forge]

ngl i wanna see how good the next miracle is

probably is 10x better than emp anyway

[limber kindle]

Its balanced

[wary forge]

🤑

[limber kindle]

Watch if its not better than emp then it's automatically bad

Thats how the community thinks

[wary forge]

i mean if they nerf emp

then gold cant be that much better?

or whatever its called

[limber kindle]

Thats if they nerf emp

3 updates and no nerf

[wary forge]

damn

hold on did chrollo message in here

[limber kindle]

No

Its just that he got pinged

[wary forge]

hold

oh

well i guess what we gotta do is wait and see

honestly i hope they test both versions of emp

of 5s with indicator

and 3s no indicator maybe

or 3s with indicator

and then see whats balanced

also i can get around emperors reach sometimes if i use an unblockable pass or use my emperors dribble to waste his move

its just sometimes u need to use an ability to counter that ability

if theres multiple then an unblockable pass is good ig idk

what if instead it was if u press v u are in defense mode and can press it 3 times so if u think they are shooting u can press it and it will try to block it if it misses u still have 2 other tries if u get the ball the move goes into cooldown

[limber kindle]

If you need an ability to counter another ability then you know is beyond broken

[wary forge]

i guess

how many unblockable pass moves actually exist

[limber kindle]

4

I think

[wary forge]

damn

[limber kindle]

Bullet pass

The one where u go invisible

Ur passes are unblockable and can't be interecpeted

Lucky bounce

And emp pass

[supple swallow]

Phantom Bullet Pass
Phantom Ghost Pass (auto passes back)
777 Lucky Pass
Emperor Ultimate Pass
Star Self Oop Pass

ignoring any cutscene passes obv

[lavish anchor]

star pass from star drive

as well

lock intercept pass

playmakers alley oop pass technically but im not sure

[topaz acorn]

yeah lock's intercept and alley oop are both unblockable passes

[supple swallow]

its 50/50 on that one

[lavish anchor]

im talking about the

[supple swallow]

its that janky

[lavish anchor]

pass

itself

but yeah

[supple swallow]

oh you meant the actual pass and not the intercept

yeah thats unblockable

alley oop dunk is blockable

but its a quick react

[lavish anchor]

the pass

for alley oop is unblockable

but yeah

[supple swallow]

They still have some counterplay at least

[lavish anchor]

alley oop very rarely gets blocked

[supple swallow]

and most of them are 2pts

[supple swallow]

most of the time its so unexpected so its not a surprise that it goes through most of the time

[brittle ledge]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1375236778851696822

[misty fossil]

After sitting here genuinely playing emp

Ts needs a nerf

Lmao

I could NOT imagine playing against ts

Or original midas style

[misty fossil]

Is gold nash?

[brittle ledge]

emperor is kinda supposed to be op tho

otherwise whats the point of him being 0.25

[umbral cave]

It's unbearable if you dont also have it.

[wary forge]

bro i just got the craziest

[umbral cave]

You could ankle break an entire team but if the Emperor is within 30 studs of you, you're still going to lose the ball when you throw three.

[wary forge]

emperors reach RANGE moment

[trim bone]

The emp pass is ok

But no way everyone I faced for emp and I can't even score a 3 or pass to my teammate

[umbral cave]

I cant even justify playing other classes aside from maybe jackpot, copycat, and giant cause of Emperor.

[trim bone]

Why did perfection get nerfed if this style is even more annoying

[smoky trout]

perfection was literally emperor before it existed

[trim bone]

Still thou its more easy to outsmart a perfection user than emp emp is like a guarantee steal

[smoky trout]

you talking about perfection right now??

obviously emp is better than it

perfection is like a legendary style

pre nerf perfection may not had the crazy steal

but it was good for its time

[supple swallow]

If you compare Emp rn vs Prime Perfection, the difference is Miracle vs Mythic

[dawn flicker]

agreed, devs keep nerfing styles that arent necesarry to

nerf emperor at this point 💔

[supple swallow]

2 Perfections could literally force a ball from one side of the court to another bc it didnt have any limitations

[dawn flicker]

even the other limited styles arent this good

[supple swallow]

perfection rn is fine

but emp is a problem

[dawn flicker]

agreed

[smoky trout]

sucks that theyre gonna possibly drop another emperor type style

but it could also just not be that character

[supple swallow]

if the only way to counter emp is with another emp-like style then the game is just gonna be the most boring "who has more of X style" game ever

[smoky trout]

well i hope they balance both of them

[fallow reef]

Pls do i cant play no more cuz everyone be tping to me everytime i shoot or pass holding the ball up like they saluting or something

[fallow reef]

Literally

[smoky trout]

passing in this game was fun

[supple swallow]

bro experienced the emp stupidity, welcome to the club

[dawn flicker]

also nerf his zone or thingy idc, for some reason he moves faster than perfectionist with his zone combined

[supple swallow]

We have Ace mains, Epic style enjoyers and ppl who know how to play the game

[pliant fossil]

most people get it very easily

[smoky trout]

now its literally just impossible without getting stolen

[pliant fossil]

it needs a nerf

rarity shouldnt matter

[supple swallow]

the zone is fine tbh

[fallow reef]

Exactly

[supple swallow]

its too random

[dawn flicker]

dude i just experienced it just now, i 1v1ed my friend yesterday and i managed to cook him and today i got blown out 0-4 by him

[supple swallow]

lemme guess he switched to emp

[dawn flicker]

dude for some reason this style moves faster than perfectionist with his zone combined

[fallow reef]

Glad to be here lmao

[smoky trout]

rarity shouldnt equal power

[supple swallow]

thats just the backwards dribble tech

[pliant fossil]

his zone is mid

[smoky trout]

in a game where you can use different types of styles

its basketball

[fallow reef]

Seeing how op he is im kinda scared for Midas

[smoky trout]

TEAM play

[dawn flicker]

nahh, he wasnt even dribbling

[fallow reef]

cuz if its nash

[smoky trout]

not ball hogging

[supple swallow]

EMp zone gives you 3 things.
Unbreakable Steal
25% for any enemy shots to miss
and +1 Dribble

[pliant fossil]

all of it is useless

[dawn flicker]

he was running faster than me even tho i was ahead of him in the first place

[supple swallow]

if the zone didnt cover any all of these then its easily a diff zone

[supple swallow]

sprint/hustle

[dawn flicker]

he was using the emperor vision

[supple swallow]

its mediocre as the first miracle style but i'd rather have that than make the zone broken too buh

[smoky trout]

most likely your laggier