REWORK/NERF "BLINK"

[wispy ibex]

perfections is 100

[compact pier]

ok put the payoff is twice as good

[lyric oxide]

the 777 slot machine has ankle break and insta steal

[compact pier]

yeah

thats way better than speed

and shot range

and dribble speed

[nova epoch]

Yeah , but the inane dribble gap you get it insane

[wispy ibex]

insta steal isnt too hard to counter tbf

[nova epoch]

Especially paired with the perfection zone

[compact pier]

wait does it stack with speed dribble?

[wispy ibex]

perfection?

or jackpot?

[lyric oxide]

if your teammates arent totally stupid yeah

[compact pier]

ok but its a lot harder with bad teammates

[compact pier]

lol same thing

[wispy ibex]

i dont usually play w randoms so idk on this

but i trust that

[nova epoch]

Playing with randoms is a nightmare

They never pass 😭

[wispy ibex]

i lit stopped playing w randoms after everybody used ace🥀💔

[compact pier]

istg i pass to them and they just dont pass

[long bear]

Change the ult on perfection. Make it 2 cutscene moves, have him do ACTUAL DRAGON BALL STUFF. Then nerf blink in some way. That way it's a 'rework' and not a 'nerf' so people won't scream at the dev until he folds like a paper chair in hurricane season

[compact pier]

and the jackpot user

[nova epoch]

😭

[wispy ibex]

i cant escape perfection even in scrims and stuff tho

its literally everywhere

[lyric oxide]

im also curious if theyll ever change the pump fake pass thing, since you literally cannot catch thosepasses (i think)

[compact pier]

it is two cutscene moves isnt it?

[long bear]

2 point making cutscenes..sorry my bad on that one

[compact pier]

ikr

i hate dunk cutscenes

[nova epoch]

It’s too OP NOT too use

[compact pier]

id rather have one move ngl

just evolution

cuz perfect dribble is way better

in fact perfect dribble should be the kept awk move

and not blink

cuz its way more valuable

if im on a timer wanting to make use of my awk

[nova epoch]

Lowk we js need a nerf on blink and it’ll all be fine

[compact pier]

yea

[wispy ibex]

had someone use perfection against me w phantom in a 1v1 and called me trash for wanting to run it back as giant instead 🥀💔

[lyric oxide]

honestly yeah they were kinda mid before but now that perfection exists theres kind of an actual reason to use them 😭

[long bear]

If one team has it and ur team doesn't it's an actual detriment and that just CANT be a thing

[compact pier]

honestly

[wispy ibex]

score was 27 - 21 too 💔💔💔

[nova epoch]

Flexing on a phantom is crazy 💀

[nova epoch]

At least you managed too drop 21

[wispy ibex]

mid???

[long bear]

That's gotta be some kinda child beating charge the way you whooped him.

[wispy ibex]

i would argue that phantoms like. alley oop cut scene is really cool

far from mid

[lyric oxide]

i mean yeah, practically useless before since you could just get more points by going for a 3 pointer

[wispy ibex]

and also copycats is neat

[wispy ibex]

style points matter almost as much as actual ones 🗣️

[lyric oxide]

not the animations

[wispy ibex]

(just dont ego if someone is open)

[lyric oxide]

i meant as a skill in general

[long bear]

REAL THO

[primal oar]

keep preaching 🗣️ 🔥

[long bear]

I wish perfects dunk cutscene looked cooler. He's PERFECT CELL and all he does is walk to the left. Toss the ball. And recreate a meme image.

Like. That's it?!

[nova epoch]

Impossible for randoms to do

[long bear]

HE CAN FLY AND TELEPORT AND THATS IT?!

[nova epoch]

A teleportation dunk would be cool

[long bear]

He could do gojo levels of disrespect floating above the basket when he teleports too

[lyric oxide]

honestly i find it kinda silly that for example clutch and sniper have 3 point ults (i think clutch has one not sure) but i think literally none of the mythics have one

[long bear]

But noooo. The meme image.

[long bear]

He does, it's called clutch 3

He just shoots a 3

But uninterrupted

[lyric oxide]

well chuck technically has one too but

you cant really count that

[long bear]

His is the best cutscene. Even when a fail

[lyric oxide]

yeah but i cant get myself to use him

[long bear]

That's fair

[lyric oxide]

he looks fun but 50% of his kit can harm your team 😭

[long bear]

He kinda sucks

[compact pier]

ikr

its absurd

clutch's awk

[lyric oxide]

yeah the dribble move is practically useless even if you hit it

[compact pier]

is better than all mythic awks

except jackpot

[lyric oxide]

dont get me started on sniper

[wispy ibex]

i feel like jogo when the domain expanded except now its MY domain being expanded the way im BENT OVER THE RIM💔‼️

[compact pier]

true

but at least sniper sucks

[lyric oxide]

sniper doesnt suck

[compact pier]

so it deserves a good awk

[lyric oxide]

hes pretty fun

[compact pier]

fun i guess

but quick release is garbage

[wispy ibex]

sniper most boring style imo

[compact pier]

and perfect arc is so easy to counter

[lyric oxide]

i like quick release honestly cus when i used sniper you genuinely never got it blocked

[compact pier]

if you have a defender on u

[lyric oxide]

and if you use it correclty you can shoot a 3 with it

[compact pier]

yeah thats the neat part

[lyric oxide]

though its kinda luck dependant

[hexed radish]

It's a meme style based off a meme why would the ult be anything different

[blazing ridge]

Just because it's limited doesn't mean it should completely and utterly dwarf every other style and make the game not fun

[lyric oxide]

its fun in pub lobbies cus they always expect you to dribble to the 3 point line and you can just use perfect arc

[long bear]

Because the entire kit is actually seriously a threat in every conceivable way

[lyric oxide]

but thats a one and done since afterr that they expect it

[hexed radish]

Skill issue

[long bear]

Thanks for not saying I'm wrong tho

[hexed radish]

You are

[long bear]

How?

Is his kit, bad?

In some way?

[hexed radish]

It's easy to counter

[long bear]

So what makes the blink move, bad, or easy to counter in your opinion?

[hexed radish]

Blink knocks the ball backwards no matter what meaning all u gotta do if your teammate gets hit with blink is walk back and get the rebound I do this all the time whenever there's a cell I play back untill he blinks my teammates and we get the ball again

[lyric oxide]

this starts to get annoying as soon as theres multiple cells though

[hexed radish]

The only time I'd say it's impossible to counter is if there's 2 cells cause they can blink it twice that's an issue ngl

[long bear]

Ok, so that's. Still a good move. And let me explain

[compact pier]

what does that even mean 😭

how is that somewhat related

the style is great

so why cant the awk cutscene be just as great

thats all he's saying

[long bear]

When you block it, it's a GUARANTEED DEFENSE. The ball is NO LONGER applying pressure on the enemy team. And it is now up to YOU to gather a defense faster than the enemy team gathers an offense

[compact pier]

yep

[compact pier]

also this applies to the cell's teammates

making it a 50/50

on who gets the ball

meaning that in pro servers

blink is a 50% uncounterable hard shutdown

[long bear]

It is an almost FLAWLESS defensive move that if it DIDNT have the caveats it did it would unironically be a broken mess of a style

[compact pier]

unless you dunk

[wispy ibex]

lock, which is meant to be a defense style, is worse at defense than perfection is 🥀🥀

[compact pier]

ok now that is debatable

intercept is lowkey kinda cracked

[wispy ibex]

intercept can lit be insta stolen

its so easy to beat

[compact pier]

i think thats a bug tho

[wispy ibex]

its been like this since release

[slender nest]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1340325082916192328/threads/1370151279023751331

[wispy ibex]

thats a long time for the bug to be out

[slender nest]

#1370203732939374673 message

[hexed radish]

Almost flawless theres many ways to counter it going out of its range and also not playing stupied if you know there's a cell stop shooting 3s it's pretty simple if I see a cell and he's not too close il shoot a 3 othee wise dunk

Cant spam 3s on a cell and get upset when he blinks em all

[wispy ibex]

"dont shoot 3's" > "spam dunk" > "avoid a core mechanic of the game and bend over backwards so this specific style can remain OP"

[icy ravine]

all they need to do to fix blink

is prevent it from doing it on pumpfake passes, and when the ball is past the shot duration

[wispy ibex]

this is like saying "dont pass the ball because lock can take it away"

[icy ravine]

you can literally blink the ball long after it's been shot and it bounces on the floor

[hexed radish]

Just admit your not good at changing your play style when there's a counter

[wispy ibex]

avoiding a key mechanic to the game and something very necessary to win just for one style is absurd

[hexed radish]

If there's a giant on me I'm not gonna shoot a 3 if theres a cell I'm not gonna shoot a 3 if there's a lock right on top of me I'm not gonna pass use your head

[wispy ibex]

?? its not even about changing play style. if you dont shoot 3's, then the only other way to score is dunk or shoot in the paint
if you shoot in the paint, then it can still be blinked, so you're forced entirely to dunk, right?

[icy ravine]

you guys could just

pumpfake to draw out a blink and pass it

[wispy ibex]

so now that you've spent the entire game dunking...obviously the other team is gonna be ontop of you expecting a dunk, or just sitting in paint

[hexed radish]

Then just dunk or draw cell I run into paint and pass to the other side so my teammates can 3 hella your not the only player on the field

[wispy ibex]

if not, and you try to swap back to 3's, then you're blinked

??

[wispy ibex]

cant do this when there's several perfections on one team

[hexed radish]

If there all in paint waiting for a dunk then shoot a 3 if they blink grab the rebound

[wispy ibex]

also passes can be blinked too, so this changes nothing

[hexed radish]

And the chance your going against 5 cells is hella low

[lyric oxide]

this kinda only works once since the cell can just watch and wait for the ball to leave your hands and then use blink

[wispy ibex]

i didnt say 5. i said several

that could mean just 2, even

[icy ravine]

blink throws the ball in towards your own hoop, if they blink and they're all waiting for a dunk theres a pretty good chance you could just grab it

[wispy ibex]

and just 2 is enough for it to be an issue

[icy ravine]

really can only be used when the said person with blink is at a far enough distance that they have to use it, or if they're stupid i guess

[hexed radish]

This can be said for almost all styles multiple giants aces locks etc can be an issue I don't get your point

[wispy ibex]

2 giants do not even come remotely close to being as much of a threat as 2 perfections

[hybrid moth]

theres giant already and perfectionist it a special style so ofc hes gonna get sumn slightly op

[wispy ibex]

especially w the awk

[wispy ibex]

"slightly"🥀💔

[hexed radish]

Gaint is a threat even worse then cell when someone knows how to use it

[hybrid moth]

it aint that bad

[hexed radish]

Cell makes it easier but gainte still just as good

Either way your gonna go against hella cells stop crying and learn to counter it

[hybrid moth]

real

[compact pier]

fr

[wispy ibex]

this is exactly my point💔💔 going up against several perfections all the time is wack

[compact pier]

i love gaint

oops i mean giante

[wispy ibex]

buddy def mains the style

[compact pier]

fr

[wispy ibex]

to be riding it this hard

[compact pier]

think about it like this

if theres 3 cells

on the enemy team

at that point

shooting becomes impossible

[wispy ibex]

3 cells, dont matter how much you dunk, pump fake or swap ur style

[compact pier]

all i can do is dunk

[long bear]

So one character on the enemy team, has, and should have. The ability, with only ONE COOL DOWN. To COMPLETELY dictate who can and cannot play aggressively. That the enemy team now has the ability to gather points FASTER than you for NO reason other than the enemy team has a character that just. Exists.

[compact pier]

thats it

[wispy ibex]

ur getting blocked

[hexed radish]

Don't even have it 💔

[long bear]

There's nothing wrong with that?

Gameplay design wise. NOT FAIRNESS. GAMEPLEY. DESIGN. That's normal? Other games have this EVERYWHERE?

[hexed radish]

No lol other styles can too gaint copy cat lock phantom etc decide when u can and cannot play aggressive

[long bear]

Yeah, except they have the caveat of being MUCH more readable. Being able to be EASILY out done through positioning and spacing. While with perfection, that IS NOT the case

[hexed radish]

That's what styles are for it someones an aggressive style like ace you play a defense style to force them to not play aggressive it's basic counters

[long bear]

That's why to counter giant you don't NOT SHOOT

For perfection you do

[hybrid moth]

i mean hes a 0.25 for a reason

[compact pier]

thats a dumb argument tho

cuz he's not even rare

[hexed radish]

Not really

[compact pier]

most people have him ngl

[hexed radish]

People got lucky there's hella people who didn't get em

[long bear]

Ok. My next suggestion is a set with a 0.001% chance that might not ever come back but lets me hit a sniper ult with a cool down

It's 0.001 for a reason right??

RIGHT?

that makes it MAGICALLY OK now

[wispy ibex]

0.25% but ive seen more perfections in 4 days than i ever have seen giants

[long bear]

Cuz a lot of ppl dumped 80 bucks or more on lucky spins. Like, a lot

[compact pier]

also it was 2%

[hexed radish]

That's a dumb argument lol cells base doesn't give u a 100 percent goal

[barren saddle]

they gotta add 2v2 and 1v1 think about guys

[hybrid moth]

like i said they made him 0.25 to be an op character that barely anyone gets but Its not the case

it backfired

[compact pier]

yeah well it also isnt that rare

its upscaled

to show an exxagerated effect of the "it's limited tho" syndrome

that concludes my analysis

that'll be 400 dollars

[long bear]

The argument isn't complaining about the kit 1 to 1. The kit is complaining that the rarer something is doesn't ALWAYS mean it has to be incredibly good to match. There HAS to be a limit otherwise you end up EVENTUALLY with a free win button

[hexed radish]

Still a dumb argument making something blatantly op with no counters vs cell which is easy to counter

[long bear]

HOW DID EVERYONE ELSE UNDERSTAND THIS BUT YOU DIDNT

I SAID THIS 5 TIMES.

5. TIMES.

[hexed radish]

The whole selling point of cell was that it was op devs said it was op we all knew it would be op

[compact pier]

how do i counter blink

pls explain

[long bear]

AND YOU, YOU IN YOUR MAGICAL GENUIS WHIFFED RIGHT PAST IT

[hexed radish]

Stay back

[lyric oxide]

His counter was basically just walking back

yeah

[compact pier]

what if they're also not idiots

and they stay back too

[lyric oxide]

but thats not really a counter since the cell teammates can also do that

[nova epoch]

Goku MUI

Trust

[compact pier]

exactly

[long bear]

And I'm saying having an op set JUST because its rare unironically LOWERS the game quality

[hexed radish]

Then it's a 50/50

[compact pier]

yeah

so basically

[dense trellis]

nerf blink fr

[compact pier]

a 100% block

with only a 50% chance

of letting them lick the scraps off the floor

for a chance to score

[hexed radish]

And I'm saying your acting as if it's hard to counter and some op God send when it's not

[long bear]

The whole selling point of my argument is that it's wrong in the eyes of GAMEPLAY DESIGN. Not fairness. Not skill. Not in play, but ON PAPER even it's just NOT FUN. Not that it's not fair. It's. NOT. FUN.

[compact pier]

nobody finds blink fun

even as a cell user its lame

[long bear]

THEN HOW HAVE YOU BEEN UNABLE TO TELL ME REASONABLY HOW ITS NOT???

[compact pier]

you're saying its easy to counter

and your only argument is

leave it up to luck

on who gets the rebound

thats not countering 😭

[hybrid moth]

I mean we got the same owner who worked on rivals 😭

[compact pier]

thats praying you might get lucky after getting completely shut down by a 100% block move

[long bear]

You said one thing. I said otherwise, you abandoned it. You said "but it's rare" and I said how that's just NOT sustainable. And then you just go in circles saying "it's not that bad"

[long bear]

I thought he'd actually like the game in all honesty.

[compact pier]

honestly i dont think we'll get a rivals situation

this whole blink thing

isnt nearly as bad as kunigami

like its not even close

[long bear]

I had more respect for a creator who's most enticing monitization was cosmetic and aesthetic. Instead. He did this

[compact pier]

so as long as limiteds dont get any better than this

then its semi-ok

[long bear]

An unapologetic, borderline predatious, cash grab of an idea which people refuse to even BEGIN to CONSIDER. ANY. KIND. OF CHANGE

[hexed radish]

You're not gonna have fun and win 24/7 ace isn't fun when he dribbles for 6 mins lock isn't fun when I can't pass

[compact pier]

look at what its done to the eight year olds 💔

ts is so funny

[hexed radish]

The cell epidemic

[long bear]

Ace is a crutch. Ace SUCKS. Ace is for bad players. Adding a SECOND SET WHICH DOES THAT BUT WORSE.. does NOT fix ace it adds a NEW problem

[lyric oxide]

Background didnt even load in ts killing me 😭

[compact pier]

ace dribble doesnt even go that fast

[lyric oxide]

honestly ace wasnt that bad since his fade could be countered

[hexed radish]

Still isn't fun lol

[lyric oxide]

and the dribble wasnt that bad considered to the ones we have now

[compact pier]

wdym isnt fun

[hexed radish]

Aces shot is 50/50 cells isn't you know exactly what he's gonna do depending on where he ends after the dribble it's worse then aces

[compact pier]

its not like i visibly get bored

whenever they use a move

[dense trellis]

i think blink could be ok if isnt an exclusive style

[compact pier]

cuz i dont have the attention span of a goldfish

[lyric oxide]

cells blink is also still a 50/50, the only counter is going back to grab the ball

which doesnt always work

[long bear]

It's not making it CONSTANTLY PERFECTLY FUN at all times. But it is AVOIDING things that do NOTHING but lower how fun the average player will find the game. BOTH ace AND perfection need work but you're TERRIFIED of even THINKING that perfection could ever be even CONSIDERED for a rework. Not a nerf. A rework. Same level of incredible kit. Just DIFFERENT

[lyric oxide]

and aces dribble is progressively worse

[compact pier]

aces shot is a 50/50?

where the heck did that come from

[hexed radish]

It's a DBZ character in a basketball game what type of rework would he get

[lyric oxide]

cells dribble is so much faster and has way more range than aces

[hexed radish]

Either goes left or right u gotta guess

[lyric oxide]

its pretty hard to even catch up to the cell dribble

[long bear]

Maybe a movement without the ball, maybe a pass of some sort. Maybe something entirely new other than a guarantee block

[compact pier]

bro

[hexed radish]

Which is why we have teammates lol

[compact pier]

anyone good can block it

[lyric oxide]

same could be said about ace then which is even easier to counter

[long bear]

I. Don't. Know. What I do know, is this is NOT the best option. And I don't know HOW. Or WHY you think that this is the ONLY way this character could, or ever should be

[compact pier]

just go in the direction of the first spin

and jump

cuz the third one is always on the same side

and its even easier with sky leap or snatch block

and especially blink

[hexed radish]

Same goes for cell shot

[lyric oxide]

as i said

[long bear]

Cell shot isn't the issue

[lyric oxide]

its impossible to catch up to

but the shot isnt even the problem

[long bear]

It isn't the MAIN issue

I can be fine with someone quick that I can't catch

[lyric oxide]

gotta rely on your teammates for that one, and most random mates arent that good lets be real

[hexed radish]

If your whole argument over cell is that one move out of his entire kit is a problem it's genuinely a skill issue

[long bear]

Flash. Ace. Giant. Star. WE HAVE THOSE. We DONT HAVE. Anything like blink.

[long bear]

Every way you've explained it's a skill issue is wrong and you're either lying or dense at this point of not showing any new way of it being the case

[compact pier]

you said skill issue

[hexed radish]

Your issue is with blink being a guaranteed block

[compact pier]

despite it being luck based more than anything

[compact pier]

exactly

a guaranteed block with a 50% rebound

cuz teammates on both sides can prob get the rebound

[hexed radish]

Yes you have the same chance of getting the ball back as the enemy team does

What's the issue

[compact pier]

exactly

[compact pier]

that means a 50% chance

[long bear]

My issue is the MAIN and in many cases ONLY WAY of counterplay is to put your ENTIRE team at a disadvantage to his team because there's NO going around it

[compact pier]

i have the ball

[hexed radish]

Gaint can sit in paint and get a guaranted steal

[compact pier]

then BOOM

suddenly

50% i dont have it anymore

see the problem?

snatch block is balanced

[lyric oxide]

rng reliant stuff in a game is almost never fun is it

[compact pier]

cuz u can pumpfake it

same with sky leap

this u can just wait for the ball to be mid ari

[hexed radish]

Better then a 100 peecet loss I'd rather get hit with blink and have a chance to score then get hit by a giant and lose all my chance

[long bear]

The main issue is how it guarantees that even if you get the ball back. You LOST offense. It STOPS offense, singlehandedly. And makes YOU have to SCRAMBLE together a defense quicker than the enemy team puts an offense together

[compact pier]

wdym lose all my chance

[long bear]

It's a 100% offense ender

[compact pier]

the block of giant is counterable

[lyric oxide]

the thing is

[long bear]

Not JUST a 50% possession changer

[lyric oxide]

you know when a giant can catch

giant has to be close to you

[compact pier]

you're acting like giant can 100% block u

when snatch block is less range

more startup

[lyric oxide]

you can predict that and possibly pass to a teammate so he can do the shot instead

for cell

it doesnt matter

[compact pier]

less people using it

and its able to be pumpfaked

thats 4 weaknesses compared to blinks one of not getting the ball

snatch block is balanced

blink sure isnt

[hexed radish]

Cell can also be pumpfaked it's also pretty easy to just go and dunk if I'm about to 3 and see the person who has cell anywhere near or close behind me why would i 3 yk he's gonna blink you

[long bear]

Unironically not worth arguing. They started with "it's a meme character" then "it's not that bad guys" then "well it actually isnt worse than the others" back to 'its not that bad guys" even when they aren't bringing ANYTHING new just repeating things and acting like they weren't just told EXACTLY how in DETAIL how it's wrong. They're either lying or ragebaiting

[hexed radish]

Your just upset you can counter one move out of his whole kit

Can't*

Which is crazy since it's not hard to counter anyway

[long bear]

It's mostly a reaction based thing if you're not a German Shepard at a keyboard you wait until the JUMP to go for it. Not the arms.

[hexed radish]

If u pumpfaked and cell doesn't blink then u pass

[long bear]

Then how do you counter it. I've asked. Four times. How

[livid bloom]

blink is pretty balanced

[compact pier]

so basically forced to pass

thats not a counter

[livid bloom]

when you shoot it goes blocked

Seems pretty balanced to me

[long bear]

You still have the issue of NOT Being allowed to have ANY 3s while the enemy team does

[hexed radish]

You have 4 teammates you should be passing anyway and not ball hogging being forced to pass inst an issue unless you wanna score every point yourself like an idiot

[long bear]

You're at a disadvantage as an ENTIRE team due to a SINGLE move from ONE GUY

[compact pier]

of course you should be passing

[long bear]

Then how do you get any 3s

[compact pier]

thats obvious

[devout estuary]

Your teammates could be blocked though?

[long bear]

Still, answer it. How do you get any 3s

[devout estuary]

Nobody to pass to

[long bear]

Guys wait. Let them answer I NEED to know

[compact pier]

You're forced to wait for them to use it

which is not a counter

[long bear]

I swear I just. Need like 5 messages one on one with this person cuz there just. No way right

[livid bloom]

buff blink by lowering the cooldown

[hexed radish]

Your acting as if u need 3s cells blink has a cd which u can get 3s during and when it's not on CD go for 2s and also just pass the amount of times I have a teammate open and pass and they 3 aginst a cell it happens all time blink won't work If the balls been in the air for a certain amount of time

[livid bloom]

[hexed radish]

Again 4 teammates pass

I've passed and had teammates shoot 3 because cell was out of range stop playing solo it's a 5v5 not 1v5

[long bear]

1. You do need 3s. If the enemy team has them, and you don't. You get points slower MARGINALLY and are at a disadvantage
2. Just getting hit with the move isn't counterplay..it's surviving the move. Hopefully not getting ruined by the 100% block and, (aforementioned and agreed upon) 50% possession change chance. Then by the next shot. Or attempt, it's already up.
3. If it's a failure of the perfect. That's ONCE AGAIN not counterplay. On paper, it's still NOT FUN to play against as it CHANGES THE FLOW OF THE GAME fully dictated by one guy

ALL of what you said was either presumptuous, or just wrong.

[devout estuary]

What if your teammates are getting blocked though?

[wispy ibex]

How do you counter this in a 1v1

[livid bloom]

hes gonna close this suggestion once he gets perfection

[long bear]

Especially due to, 'you have 4 teammates' so do they. They are the reason it's a 50% possession change chance. They are playing around the fact that he has a 100% block, which you cannot avoid. If you don't put yourself in a disadvantage

[wispy ibex]

👎

perfection needs a nerf

[hexed radish]

If there forcing you out of 3s then play defense u don't need to play offense 24)7 if your making 2s and stopping 3s then. Your gonna have more points seems like all I do is shoot 3s and play offense and now your upset there's a style making you play carefully

[wispy ibex]

ive spun it off 3 times, its just no fun with how OP it is

[livid bloom]

no it doesnt

its so sigma

the devs worked hard on it

[hexed radish]

Real

[wispy ibex]

"sigma"

[livid bloom]

And then yall ask for an rework

[wispy ibex]

[lyric oxide]

obviously bait 🥀

[wispy ibex]

devs worked hard on chuck too, it needed the rarity changed.
nobody is saying ban the style (if they are thats just being brainded), it just needs some type of nerf

[hexed radish]

Nerf chuck dribble last too long

[livid bloom]

true

[hexed radish]

Heat check has max range

Nerd that too

[devout estuary]

Nobody is saying they didnt but the community is allowed to have an opinion on what is added and the choice to request that something is changed

[long bear]

1. The counterplay to a move that AUTOMATICALLY gives a perfect defense is to put yourself in a disadvantage and also, naturally play perfectly? Thats stupid, and you know it
2. If ONE character can dictate the playstyle of an ENTIRE TEAM with MINIMUL input, MINIMUL TEAMWORK. And little effort. Then it's still, in my argument, perfectly NOT FUN.

[devout estuary]

Thats just how games work

[wispy ibex]

literally why theres a suggestion channel and "balancing" tag

[wild ledge]

.

.

Like

[hexed radish]

Have you ever even played basketball this isn't something that only happens in the game when there's a team that has good defense do you think the other team is gonna keep trying offense no

[livid bloom]

rework giant

[hexed radish]

There gonna switch to defense and try and get points when they can

[livid bloom]

[wispy ibex]

whats wrong w giant?

[long bear]

Do you think In regular basketball a single person scares off 3 people from shooting?

[hexed radish]

The only people crying about cell are the same ones who expect the whole match to be run to the line and 3 with no counters

[livid bloom]

its kinda boring now

[long bear]

Are you in Naruto currently with shadow clones cuz that doesn't happen?

[compact pier]

ok well in real basketball people cant teleport

[lyric oxide]

i was about to say this

[wispy ibex]

thats just you not enjoying the style, not it needing a rework💔

[compact pier]

3 pointers need a nerf

but making a broken style

[lyric oxide]

the comparison is kinda funny cus nothing in this game is anything close to real basketball

[compact pier]

that makes u second guess open threes

is not what was needed

especially cuz its reserved for the lucky

[hexed radish]

Talking about play style

[compact pier]

blink doesnt belong in this game

[livid bloom]

yes it does

[hexed radish]

LeBron exist btw

[compact pier]

why

what purpose does it serve

[long bear]

That could be done through, really bad aim assist. Faster 2 pointers vs 3 pointers. Or other methods other games use. Not this.

[compact pier]

"a defense move"

[livid bloom]

It is

[compact pier]

yeah

[compact pier]

ofc it is

its just way too good

[livid bloom]

theres a cooldown on it

[compact pier]

so does every defence move

and yet none of them let you fly

up to a ball

that has already left the sweet earth

[livid bloom]

it says perfection

[compact pier]

and is on its descent

[livid bloom]

So perfect block

[compact pier]

to the vainglorious hoop

[hexed radish]

Phantom literally goes invisible bro

[compact pier]

but is interrupted abruptly

by a divine force

of a telikinetic basketball player

[hexed radish]

Saying this game has any realism is crazy

[livid bloom]

Dragon Ball z

💔🥀

[compact pier]

the only non realistic style is jackpot

[long bear]

This HAS to be ragebait. It just has to be. You're not real, you're a piece of AI made out of nuerolink hardware from Elon musk, that's why you're so ungodly stubborn about something impossible to defend, simultaneously, with the dumbest arguments. And then turning around and walking over everyone elses

[hexed radish]

phantom???

[compact pier]

well the super jumps n stuff are also odd

[long bear]

You were the one that brought up realism

[livid bloom]

No that's relatable

Gambling

[long bear]

Right here

[compact pier]

it has an explanation in the manga it was in

[hexed radish]

Sniper ??

[compact pier]

sniper is just steph

and other good shooters

[long bear]

Stick one guy on him. And don't have him leave

[hexed radish]

😑

[compact pier]

shooting an uncontested shot from a little over half court is impressive

but its fitting

cuz if you're guarded

its pretty useless

[hexed radish]

Bro he's hurting full court 3s

[long bear]

Or use charge up counter moves. Keep an eye on the backline. And other things. There are MULTIPLE COUNTERS

[hexed radish]

Hitting*

[livid bloom]

Perfection can do that too

😀

[compact pier]

at least that happens sometimes

ive gone 2-3 games without seeing a sniper awk

full court shots arent common

just like in actual basketball

[hexed radish]

Awakening is chance so

[compact pier]

but i see teleporting every 20 seconds

[long bear]

In ult. We're complaining about in the BASE kit. You're bringing up IN ULT because you're so intellectually BANKRUPT that it's impossible for you to talk like a real person

[compact pier]

its stupid

[compact pier]

Thank you.

[hexed radish]

If chuck hits enough heat checks he can inf shoot full court

[compact pier]

"enough" is like 50

[long bear]

After 8 minutes of setup. You get NONE and your problem remains

[compact pier]

that aint happening

[livid bloom]

when they add the isagi style

[hexed radish]

He can pull from half court in base

[livid bloom]

💔

[hexed radish]

Add kaiser

[long bear]

That's a lot different than full court isn't it? And there's still multiple ways of counterplay that are reasonable

[compact pier]

heat check has a 40 sec cooldown

8 minute games

[dense trellis]

the people who say "dont nerf blink" are just skill issue players

[livid bloom]

Kaiser impact is gonna blow the ball up

[compact pier]

480 seconds in 8 minutes

that means 12 heat checks

[long bear]

They need to be handheld more carefully than a priceless egyptian artifact in a horror movie istg

[hexed radish]

U can also counter play blink hows it fair that as soon as an enemy crosses the white line I now have to worry that he can shoot from anywhere

[compact pier]

heat check physically cant do that in this game

[compact pier]

and he has to worry that the slightest breeze can block him

perfect arc is realistic

for a really good shooter

[hexed radish]

Hitting consent back to back half court shots isn't relstic

[compact pier]

nba level

"back to back"

[long bear]

You only have ONE method of counterplay which puts the ENTIRE TEAM at a disadvantage. Sniper can be stopped by one guy. You can watch the midline to see him setting up. You can be careful to intercept back passes. You can use multiple blocking moves. You can have someone stay and guard him and him only

[compact pier]

this game is made for kids

[long bear]

ITS NOT THE SAME

[compact pier]

at that point say something like

[livid bloom]

when they add curry Kobe LeBron style

[long bear]

Stop pretending to be stupid

[compact pier]

"hitting 2 pts at a 100% chance isnt fair"

and 3 pts as well

[long bear]

You're smarter than this

[compact pier]

idk how this guy is failing to understand such basic concepts

in a game where 3 pointers are guaranteed what should perfect arc even do?

[hexed radish]

Just say y'all can't counter a basic defense move this is getting sad

[compact pier]

if not half court shots

[compact pier]

wait you can counter blink?

[long bear]

He's blatantly refusing to and abandoning every point immediately to just go to everything else

[compact pier]

thats highly impressive

might i ask how

oh yeah...

i forgot his gatekeeping ah is hiding a secret which he knows he doesn't exist

[long bear]

A new way how, that I didn't spend PARAGRAPHS debunking and you NEVER said those were wrong

[hexed radish]

Cause I'm not gonna argue with someone over something basic lol

[hybrid moth]

We still going at this? 😭

[livid bloom]

yup

[hexed radish]

All it takes to counter is simply walking backwards

[livid bloom]

they want the highest suggestion

[compact pier]

what if they also walk backwards 🤯

[livid bloom]

probably

[compact pier]

also the ball cant be immediatley picked up

off of blink

[devout estuary]

Just bring a ladder to your next match

[hybrid moth]

Just increase the cooldown on blink and make the 3pt shot blockable to an extent

[devout estuary]

Simple

[compact pier]

so usually the shooter cant get it

[hybrid moth]

There

[long bear]

So the enemy team NEVER sets up and gets ready for that. Setting up offense BEFORE you can react to the block?

[compact pier]

chrollo hire this man

[hexed radish]

Then it's a 50/50 if u get the ball your on offense if they get the ball your back on defense and if they get the ball they still gotta go back to there side

[livid bloom]

When they add shidou style

[long bear]

That would work. But these ppl say it can't be changed in ANY way that isn't an immediate buff

[compact pier]

so basically

[livid bloom]

💔🥀

[compact pier]

its a move

which if you shoot a three

[long bear]

We already went over this, you're wrong. Pick something new

[compact pier]

it can give you a 50% chance of trying again

[long bear]

Cmon GENUIS

[livid bloom]

We going to 2000 now

[compact pier]

and a 50% chance of failing completely

[livid bloom]

bump this guys

[compact pier]

wow

thats quite the counter

[hexed radish]

Just say your horrid at the game it's ok

[compact pier]

focr just ignore the ragebait

this genius's best "counter" is pray he gets the rebound

[long bear]

Just say you're a German Shepard mashing a keyboard, it's ok that everything you say is dumber than a fox news host saying Mario makes murderers

[compact pier]

clearly he isnt much better

[hexed radish]

Failing does nothing u either get the ball and get another chance at a shot or don't get it and have to play defense u can easily catch up to them and if u go for the rebound too you'll be right in whoever does get it meaning there not getting a free goal unless u suck

[compact pier]

so every 40 seconds the opponents have a 50% of making you try again and a 50% chance of successfully defending

and thats only for one cell

[long bear]

Anyway, imma go eat with my family now. Have fun ig. Not like it matters. NO WAY a blue lock rivals dev would change something like this. This kinda slop is their specialty

[compact pier]

2 or more becomes unstoppable

[hexed radish]

Matches are like 5 min u gotta deal with it like 5 or 6 times out of a whole match

[compact pier]

*per cell

they're eight minutes

[hybrid moth]

Lowkey hopefully he don’t do the same with this game

[compact pier]

thats 12 uses of blink per cell

assuming they dont use it for a third of the time

[hybrid moth]

Bro made nel isagi op as hell and left

[compact pier]

thats 8 uses per cell

[hexed radish]

I alr said it's not fair that 2 cells can use it on the same ball I'm saying if theres one

[hybrid moth]

Kaiser too

[compact pier]

3 cells is 24 blinks a game

[hybrid moth]

😭

[compact pier]

well theres never one

your point was invalid from the very start

[livid bloom]

Hitbox crazy in basketball zero

[hexed radish]

Your rarely gonna face more then 2 cells and your also gonna probably have 2 or 1 on your team

[compact pier]

exactly

so both teams dont get to shoot three's very much

unless

you have some next level tomfoolery

or the cells arent good

[hexed radish]

Then it's fair if both teams are playing on the same field what's your point

[compact pier]

its fair

not fun

nobody likes that

[livid bloom]

hwb we increase the tariffs

[hexed radish]

Just say your brain isn't big enough to understand basic counters

[lyric oxide]

its fair but it removes a core mechanic of the game

which is just absurd imo

[hexed radish]

Your not gonna have fun or the perfect match every single game

[compact pier]

and what

watch your stock crumble any more

[livid bloom]

invest in bitcoin

become chance from forsaken

then gamble it all

put it all on black

and win

then buy a mustang

[hexed radish]

Nerfing cell does nothing your finna go against the same amount either way and there not gonna rework him he just came out just learn to play against it or play a new game

[livid bloom]

kaboom

[compact pier]

nah

im buying a ford f1 fifty

curse you

[hybrid moth]

It’s worse in rivals 💔

[livid bloom]

curse you with curse of binding

[compact pier]

yeah im gonna go against the same amount

[livid bloom]

Both are playing with balls

[compact pier]

but if its balanced it wont matter

ok bro...

[livid bloom]

Kaboom thee goes your tower

watch it crumble

feel the power

hairy twinkles in the game

theres no escape

when's the hairy twinkle emote

[hexed radish]

How are they gonna balance it

[dense trellis]

if devs dont nerf perfection new players will be frustated cause its so broken and the game will die

[compact pier]

nerf range

[terse temple]

blink is buns, like why can i get punished for using my own move

[compact pier]

so you cant teleport from as far

cuz the range is absurd ngl

nerf how it can be used when the ball is already mid air

[hybrid moth]

Nah they still gonna play the game

[compact pier]

"ball is too close to hoop" should happen more often

[dense trellis]

i dont think so

[hexed radish]

It can't do u even have the style the range isn't that good sometimes it is crazy but most the time u gotta be pretty close an after the balls in the air for a bit u can't even blink it

[compact pier]

yes i do?

[terse temple]

ong make blink a mid air steal move that makes you pass it to a teammate, this encourages the enemies teammates to actually stay on one person instead of ball chasing

[compact pier]

that would be cool too

so its like intercept

but blockable

so it would be actually counterable

[terse temple]

yes

[compact pier]

by just guarding people

[terse temple]

2 many people ball chase

[hexed radish]

That would make it more op

[terse temple]

no?

[lyric oxide]

isnt this literally just intercept

[hexed radish]

Assuming I can pick who I pass too what's stopping me from having teammates stay at there goal

[livid bloom]

Intercepted by jay mond

[compact pier]

blockable intercept

and for shots only

so if they're doing man to man defense

[hexed radish]

Forces them to stay back or I can blink but if they stay back to stop it I can just get easy points

[compact pier]

its not luck based

[terse temple]

it'll have range, so if a teammate isn't close enough it fails

requiring you to think about using it

[hybrid moth]

That’s cool and all but they are not reworking him

[dense trellis]

it will balanced if add 30%-20% more cooldown

[hybrid moth]

Most they will do is nerf

[livid bloom]

blink needs buff

😀

[terse temple]

its buns it dont even need a nerf, the people complaining abt it is the people who dunno how to counter it

[livid bloom]

[hexed radish]

Someone finally gets it

[livid bloom]

Fell for the rage bait

💔🥀

[hexed radish]

Blink should have stacks

After 5 blocks with blink u just Kamehameha the map and insta win

[hexed radish]

3 stacks in ranked

[compact pier]

he saint an image

that doesnt mean he "fell for the rage bait"

[terse temple]

saint

[livid bloom]

Saint

[compact pier]

thanks!

im saint

[livid bloom]

wassup saint john

[compact pier]

o yeah

wsg

anyways nerf blan

ong

[hexed radish]

Add broly as a defense style

[livid bloom]

You are not saint john

[compact pier]

I-Impossible!

[livid bloom]

Add the ref as an style

Add reach in hand foul

[terse temple]

honestly to keep it how it is but buff it so you dont get punished for using it, make it go towards a random teammate and give it iframes for like 1.5 seconds for the enemy team so your team has an actual chance of recovering the ball

[livid bloom]

True

I use blink and it goes to the enemy team

[compact pier]

thats good tho

if you're gonna have a 100% block

[hexed radish]

Just give bell w nuke and call it w say

Eay

Day

[compact pier]

the rebound should at least be up to luck

[livid bloom]

can I send pictures even though I'm lvl 4

[compact pier]

nope

only 16 levels to go

[livid bloom]

wait I'ma try

Grug style

😀

[terse temple]

this might be a stretch but look at giant, he has a insanely good mid air steal ability and hes a mythic, blink should at LEAST give you team a higher chance at the recover for maybe a little nerf on the range

[compact pier]

blink goes higher

and cant be pumpfaked out of it

i can see the argument for it being balanced

but not the argument for it needing a buff

[long bear]

I still think the best option is give it charge up, like sky leap. You press the button but there's a moment before it actually goes. Then, make it a pass midair. That way, it requires READING Your opponent and OUTPLAYING THEM instead of reaction. And, on a harder to hit move it's a MUCH bigger reward as it instantly goes to a teammate. Phantom pass style. A buff, and a nerf. A REWORK. like the main argument is.

[terse temple]

ok lets imagine this situation, you're on an enemy thats at the 3 point line. Would you want a guaranteed steal move that can get you a swift counter attack or a mid air block move that could get you punished in exchanged for the higher range and the ability to not get pumpfaked

[terse temple]

exactly

[long bear]

Def the second one. Stalls, if my team can even remotely tell what's going on they'll use any and every movement ability to race for it. And even if it fails it resets my team to a more collected defense than before

Because it guarantees a kill of all pressure when it's pressed

[terse temple]

heres the thing 90% of the players DONT do that, they never know whats going on or how to read the court.

[long bear]

They DO try to ball chase and ball hog tho if that's the type of player that's being complained about. And those teammates I GUARANTEE will notice when a shot is just negated and they'll scramble to get it

[terse temple]

i could understand your point if you only played with people who you know are good and you dont have to gamble every time you make any sort of defensive decision

[long bear]

Maybe not after the first. But the second, third. Fourth. Fifth even. Absolutely

[long bear]

It's not a gamble when the initial hit, that still provides its own value. Is GUARANTEED. Other ones with higher reward are less so

[terse temple]

Even with it being a guaranteed mid air block, the mid air steal with a little bit a game sense is better in my opinion. It FULLY shuts down any threat and allows for a counter attack. I see where you're coming from and kinda agree but im still sticking with giants block.

[long bear]

Yeah, and like. When you can reliably pull it off. Giants is more of a problem..but my main issue is it feeling like even with less value. Free value. And less avoidable value. Making it higher risk for higher reward would unironically make me just not hate this move, at all

Every complaint has been about counterplay and how EASY VALUE the move feels to go against. If it was MUCH MUCH more value but it was actually harder to hit. I just wouldnt care

[tight estuary]

I see where you're coming from and I agree, but this is the same community that is asking for/ voting hype styles over the completely visible "BALANCED STYLE" option in said vote.

As someone who used to use Jackpot and currently has Perfection, Perfection should not have been a thing-- or it at least should've been a more balanced style imo.

BBZ was doing solid when it first started out, but if more styles like this will be added it may dig itself a really deep hole, and at the same time the community isn't considering what they are asking for as well.

We can't ask/ vote for a hype style, get a hype style, and then complain when that style ends up overpowered or brain dead. Chrollo even commented on this himself and it was a similar situation for BLR too, just a never ending cycle of "complain, ask, receive, complain some more"

[terse temple]

Then make blink have a little windup before the block, making it more of a move you need to think about before using it not a how fast can i react kinda move.

[terse temple]

im lowk mad at the playerbase for this, like id rather have a balanced game than hype op styles

[long bear]

I hate everyone who voted against something unique or balanced

I hope either chrollo stops listening to that or that the game just goes full on blr at that point

[terse temple]

Devs need to listen to their playerbase but at the same time only listen to things that will do good for the game, this isnt good for the game AT all.

[knotty hazel]

be real when has chrollo ever listened to his playerbase bro 😭

[terse temple]

all the time just he listens to the wrong things

[raven jasper]

Tf type of logic is this

[long bear]

Well yeah, if 52% of the playerbase voted to have a h#tler style he shouldn't actually do it.

[terse temple]

wym is pretty self explanatory

[raven jasper]

If a majority of your playerbase is voting for an option you yourself put out

You gon have to listen

[terse temple]

at the end of the day its their game they decide what they add

[terse temple]

no?

[long bear]

It's also that, that should not have been an option

[terse temple]

they're not bounded to the communities opinions

[tight estuary]

His logic isn't that complicated

"Just because majority asks for something doesn't mean you should add it without consideration of the quality of the game"

[terse temple]

if they were the game would be dead already

[terse temple]

thank you!

[raven jasper]

Oh yeah that don’t work here

[long bear]

Why not

[terse temple]

well its gonna kill the game at some point

[raven jasper]

Because you couldn’t put enough people together in this comm to put out a united majority suggestion

Hence the polls

The options are predetermined

And it makes 0 sense to put out options, get results that have one of those options majority selected, then not doing it

Cuz then what’s the point of it being in the poll in the first place

[long bear]

So then the game should go full on blr

Just all the way

[raven jasper]

I ain’t really play blr

So idk what that means

[long bear]

If it can't be disputed or revised. They should lean full on into it

[terse temple]

no its not, community feedback can be good but its not 100% guaranteed to be.

[raven jasper]

But isn’t that game still popping?

[long bear]

@terse temple you should explain what happened with blue lock rivals

[raven jasper]

“Hey community what feature you want to be added? A, b, or c?”
“Ok majority voted c, but we’re not doing that because it’s a bad choice”

[devout totem]

Damn what did they do this with?

[mossy marten]

BUFF PERFECTIOn

[terse temple]

They kept adding to many "hype styles" making it more pay to win due to high prices of lucky spins and low chances for said op styles. many people got mad at this due to the fact lucky spins are a pain to get and can't be gained fast.

[long bear]

"hey community do you want a, b, or c?"
"Ok, majority voted c, but with play testing this seems kinda. Awful. So, let's tone it down or make it more like c-" is more what he's asking for

[terse temple]

thats a stupid poll, thats the devs fault for even putting a poll like that out in the first place. These polls that chrollo is doing isn't helping the game either. Its a problem on both sides tbh.

[raven jasper]

Yeah that’s my point

The polls are the problem

There’s a good reason we ain’t got a poll on blink

[terse temple]

but they wont if chrollo and tatlis stops being stupid

[raven jasper]

Cuz majority of this comm thinks blink is too busted

[long bear]

Chrollo and devs for making dogshit options or the community who doesn't care about the game other than the hype of the next week or so, before it gets draining.

Both suck

[terse temple]

make polls that gives feedback but it isn't a "do you want this or this" type of feedback

[terse temple]

its BUNS

[devout totem]

I don’t think it’s busted after nerf

[long bear]

It's ANNOYING in an unfun way is what it is

[devout totem]

Yup

[long bear]

It's not even impossible to go against. You CAN win, but it's just so DRAINING

[terse temple]

BBZ is gonna have the same outcome as blr is having rn

[long bear]

It's not even enjoyable to BEAT

[raven jasper]

Someone had an open game winning 3, no defenders on their screen at all, and took the shot

[bitter tangle]

Are they actually keeping perfection? 😭

[raven jasper]

And a blink teleported and blocked it

[terse temple]

its annoying for both your team and the enemies lowk

[raven jasper]

When it was already at the highest point of its arc

[long bear]

If you already got it, then you keep it. For good.

[raven jasper]

That’s busted and annoying asl

[devout totem]

Was he close to the shooter? And btw you can fake out blink

[raven jasper]

No you can fake out a player with the reaction time of a goldfish

And the dude wasn’t close at all to the shooter

[devout totem]

Yeah I’m ngl the range is crazy

[bitter tangle]

As a perfection user myself, they should remove it 😭🙏

[raven jasper]

You can’t counter blink cuz blink can be used when the ball is in the air

It’s outta your hands atp

Literally

[terse temple]

this is why it needs a windup, with nerfed range but it gives your team more of a chance of getting the rebound. Not only will make this move more of a prediction and game sense included type move but one that is rewarding for its high risk

[long bear]

It's just, draining. It RUINS the flow of gameplay, it doesn't keep things engaging in a way that you WANT to keep playing and it just drives retention rates down. It's been genuinely DIFFICULT for me to keep others playing this game since it's release

[lyric oxide]

They should lowk js remove blink or completely revamp it

[long bear]

Even after they already spent money, they just, find it too draining.

[devout totem]

I mean I haven’t rlly tried it but the question helpers told me you can fake it out just like you can fake giant

[livid bloom]

This is still going on????

[long bear]

Ong remove it and refund 97 lucky spins to each person who has it. I'd rather deal with a bunch of mythics EVERYWHERE than this THING

[livid bloom]

This debate is never ending

[raven jasper]

Yeah with a pumpfake, but if the perfection user isn’t a complete idiot it won’t work on em

[terse temple]

cuz its a real issue rn

[bitter tangle]

I KNOW RIGHT

[raven jasper]

Cuz unlike giant, blink has the largest window of opportunity in the game for a counter move

I think

[long bear]

Sorry we like the game and care about it more than just the next week my guy

[terse temple]

full team of jackpots is less annoying than a full team of perfections ngl

[long bear]

REALLL

[lyric oxide]

Jackpot is pretty fun to play against imo, perfection just isnt

[devout totem]

I mean jackpot is balanced

[terse temple]

ik but its annoying to play against imo

[lyric oxide]

Cus the only kinda annoying thing about Jackpot is the ultimate, you can easily counter the steal

[terse temple]

and perfection is 10x more annoying

[long bear]

Cuz like. Even if it wasn't engaging. Hitting an ankle break and seeing a MF go FLYING is rewarding in a way that beating perfection ISNT

[devout totem]

50x

[bitter tangle]

Exactly and jackpot feels competitive too like predicting, facing them but with perfection…. Low skill 😭

[long bear]

It's not even stimulating to outplay it's just. "Cool run it back"

[mossy marten]

u can counter perfection so easily and people are dumb

[bitter tangle]

proof? send a video footage

[mossy marten]

🧠

[devout totem]

You talking about having one person stand in the half to get the ball back? That’s how me and my friends beat a team full of perfection in 3v3, other than that idk

[long bear]

I'm not having this conversation with you again..read the things I've said. Give me something that counters perfection while also NOT repeating what I spent PARAGRAPHS proving is wrong. And then, y'know. Maybe you'll actually be taken seriously ig

[mossy marten]

YOu cant even use blink if u just shoot in 2pointer

[long bear]

So disadvantaging your entire team by one guy existing makes sense

Cool. Ur a bot, an ai, a replica made by Elon musk

[mossy marten]

js say u dont got perfection

[lyric oxide]

Honestly perfection isnt even that fun to play as either, if it wasnt limited i wouldve spun it off for giant or copycat 🥀

[devout totem]

You talking about me?

[long bear]

I don't. But also on paper it's not engaging or fun to go against

I don't need it to know on paper, through gameplay design. It's DOGSHIT

[mossy marten]

dudes malding cuz he dont got perfection and its gone now

[bitter tangle]

I agree with ramen cat 💯

[devout totem]

He just gets the ball back and we just wait until they all wasted the ability

[hybrid moth]

Well atleast blink don’t go the player hands

It just makes the ball run down the court

[terse temple]

my finally stance is:

Perfection can be amazing, or complete buns. Its blink move its braindead in some situations but in the others its an butt of a block move. it shouldn't have been limited, more like a permanent style that you can't just spin for but you'd have to maybe play a special gamemode or do some sort of quest to get. Honestly the style's move concepts shouldn't have been a thing as either the testers were off some when testing or chrollo wanted it to be this annoying.

[long bear]

It NEEDS a buff to blink. It NEEDS blink to be more engaging on BOTH ends. It NEEDS the ult to use more DBZ stuff. It NEEDS the ult to be more hype. It NEEDS to be more engaging with its other move. It NEEDS to be better than blr slop

[mossy marten]

y you even complaining just play the damn game lol

[livid bloom]

right after perfection in basketball zero

[long bear]

Bro.

[devout totem]

They have a suggestion channel for a reason bro

[hybrid moth]

I’m more worried about the auto 3 lol

Than blink

[terse temple]

its blockable

[hybrid moth]

Fr?

[terse temple]

yea

its timing is lowk weird tho

[lyric oxide]

Kind hard to Block since the Dribble is very fast too

[terse temple]

i've blocked it and had it blocked by others a few times

[hybrid moth]

Damn anytime I try to block it goes through me

[devout totem]

It’s cuz he shoots it late

[lyric oxide]

But you can block it if for example your teammate is there

[terse temple]

like i said timing is weird

[tight pulsar]

replace blink with end the game (1 second cd)

[terse temple]

anyways add my style concept guardian, its better than perfection by a long shot!!!!

[tight estuary]

Blink can block buzzer beater shots btw I found it out one day and found it kinda funny

[terse temple]

oh nah

[devout totem]

Def a bug

[mossy marten]

its not a bug

[devout totem]

You’re not supposed to be able to use abilities during that time so it’s a bug

[tight pulsar]

can someone check mine out it’s the first one I ever made

[mossy marten]

lmfao no

[terse temple]

most useless bug as only 10% of buzzer beaters make it in

[terse temple]

whats the name

[devout totem]

Please explain 😐

[devout totem]

Shiii I made one earlier from half

[mossy marten]

I dont care

[tight estuary]

Would be insanely annoying in a clutch/close game tho

💀

[terse temple]

yea but also i've never been in a situation where we were tied and the buzzer beat would clutch up the game

[lyric oxide]

The luffy one

[tight estuary]

I have twice, games like those are so fun

[devout totem]

I was twice, I made one and literally the next game the opponent made it

[lyric oxide]

Is his i think

[tight pulsar]

Yeah that’s mine

[terse temple]

i cant find it

[lyric oxide]

Idk if i can Tag u hold ob

[tight estuary]

Personally had more fun playing as Jackpot as well compared to Perfection.. might spin off despite him being limited

Phantom and Jackpot my goats

[lyric oxide]

yeah perfection isnt that fun

ill see if they add a second slot

[compact pier]

the first one isnt guaranteed

that isnt a real comparison

[terse temple]

But it is

[compact pier]

"guaranteed steal move"

and what might this move be

[inland locust]

guaranteed steal move 😭

do we not learn bro 😭

[compact pier]

he's not talking about blink

also you mentioned that blink can get punished

when the only "punishment" is forcing them to try again

with a 50% chance

[split mist]

Snatch block

Gives you possession

[compact pier]

yeah

but its not guaranteed

way easier to pumpfake

[split mist]

But only if you lowk time That sh

[compact pier]

and also range is way smaller

passing or pumpfaking can counter it

and then he says snatch block is unpunishable?????

in what universe

[inland locust]

except

blinks timing is as forgiving as a priest

[compact pier]

pumpfaking it will have you flying to the moon

put pumpfaking blink doesnt even work

[inland locust]

even then

[compact pier]

passing around snatch block wont let them block it

[inland locust]

even if youre late on the blink

[compact pier]

but blink still will

and yet you think blink is more punishable?

[inland locust]

you can still block the shot

pair that with

[compact pier]

yeah

[inland locust]

its absurd detection range

[compact pier]

the other two are actually skill based

[inland locust]

and zero execution nor spacing

hell you dont even have to be looking at the enemy

because as far as i know

yes snatch block can grab the ball mid air

but not as absurdly high as blink does

[split mist]

I mean

Lowk

You can pass 2 ya teammate halfway across the court

Guaranteed three

[inland locust]

you can do that with like

anything

lol

[red oasis]

Also fakeable
Also puts charge on cd for offense
Also have to be relatively close
Also have to aim it right

[stoic meteor]

PLEASE

[red oasis]

Can’t believe I’m unironically saying snatch block takes some skill to pull off LOL

Perf players are a new level of delusional

[stoic meteor]

bro can y’all stop with the word “fakeable” it only works against 50ovrs

[red oasis]

Snatch is more fakeable than blink

Blink isn’t fakeable unless the perf player is genuinely braindead

[stoic meteor]

I agree but both can snatch the ball midair when your opponent shoots the ball it’s just that blink is beyond braindead

[red oasis]

The difference is snatch can only get it for the first little bit of air time

Blink can get the ball at any point as it flies to the net

[stoic meteor]

yea no one obviously denies that snatch block takes more braincells than blink

[red oasis]

Even good players fall for fakes as well if they’re done right

[narrow python]

snatch grab just gets you when you least expect it sometimes where as blink you just know it’s coming

[stoic meteor]

usually when I have a good ping I don’t jump instantly after they use their dribbles cuz u still have enough time to block it so I don’t fall for fakes like that personally

[narrow python]

I hate when ik someone is gonna fake and I still fall for it cause muscle memory 😭

[red oasis]

I only ever fall for it when I’m trying to close the distance on someone

Or early in the game

But occasionally I fall for one I shouldn’t

[compact pier]

blizzard does apparently 🤷

or at least he's saying that the block itself is better

[terse temple]

if you're getting pumpfaked u got a skill issue im not gonna lie

[compact pier]

i dont even have giant

and yeah i can acceopt snatch block is just as good

but thats with a good player

which is how it should be

my problem with blink is that good or bad the block itself is inevitable

[terse temple]

and at the same time is easy to counter

making snatch block better

so

[torn hill]

blink more range

[compact pier]

my problem is with the block itself

a 100% block from that big a range is just annoying

yeah theres counterplay

but more often then not the ball goes way farther

and everyone just scrambles back

cuz for some reason the ball has i frames

for a bit

after being blinked

[red oasis]

Has anyone mentioned that a perf’s teammate can hover around half court to beat you to the ball

“But but but just pick it back up!!”

[compact pier]

exactly

[olive widget]

get out of my head

[long bear]

Bump

[vague grove]

problem is that its super ezazy t oget'

[long bear]

Another day asking for perfections move to just be more engaging