Nerf Jackpot's lucky steal

[tacit cedar]

Make that it wont steal when you're pump faking

[copper turtle]

Of all the myriad ways I want them to nerf Jackpot Steal this is not one of them

You've somehow managed to make a nerf for the most busted base move in the game I disagree with

Just revert the windup buff

Range can stay if the Jackpot players whine enough

Ideally, they'd raise the cooldown if they plan to keep it like this

(which I hope to god they don't)

But the ability to steal through non-dribble I-Frames is good

Pump Fake Passes don't have much counterplay as-is

It's just Pressure Defense, Jackpot Steal, and Snatch Block

I don't think taking away more of that counterplay is the move

[solid epoch]

Jackpot right now is ''World Class'' level if you use BLR as reference.

[copper turtle]

Not really

it's just Top 1

[tacit cedar]

I mean, as a playmayker(both style and playstyle) i cant take this anymore

[copper turtle]

I agree with you

nerf Jackpot Steal

just not like this

[solid epoch]

If you use lucky steal you get lucky pass(another skill) so 4 skills, if you use the dribble you get lucky pass(other skill) so 5 skills

[tacit cedar]

I mean yeah, but this is thr most annoying thing for me, i couldn't take this disrespect anymore

[copper turtle]

This is incredibly disingenuous framing

You cannot use Lucky Pass, Dash, and Stun freely

[solid epoch]

My man

[copper turtle]

They are firmly tied to the usage of his 2 base abilities

[solid epoch]

Lucky has iframes on the pass

[copper turtle]

So does Phantom and pump faking

[solid epoch]

You can't even block that pass is as strong as bullet pass

[solid epoch]

1 SKILL

[copper turtle]

it travels far slower than bullet pass lol

[solid epoch]

pump fake you can intercept

[copper turtle]

way more time to react and set up a defense

[copper turtle]

you literally cannot

[solid epoch]

You can.

[copper turtle]

Pump Fake Passing is a well-known tech

It gives the pass I-Frames

[solid epoch]

As long as they are far away from each other you can

[copper turtle]

ask anyone

You can intercept Lucky Passes too from far away

It's inconsistent, but it happens

[solid epoch]

?????????

I need proofs

[copper turtle]

It's not like you can use Lucky Pass whenever like Bullet Pass, either

[solid epoch]

BRO

[copper turtle]

It's only available for a brief moment after using your dribble

[solid epoch]

Look what you are saying

[copper turtle]

Framing it as an entirely separate skill is very disingenuous

[solid epoch]

Lucky pass is a secondary skill with little to no requirement at all

[copper turtle]

I agree that it'd be stupid busted if it was it's own skill

but it's not

You barely have time to aim at the person you want to pass to before it goes away

Being gated behind the dribble makes it more manageable

[solid epoch]

That is not a strong point to defend

[copper turtle]

I can't recall whether it has the full court range, but even if it does, like I said, it's far slower than Bullet

[copper turtle]

and "Jackpot has 5 skills at base" is??????

[solid epoch]

Phatom? ☠️

[copper turtle]

...

[tacit cedar]

I found a tech on star, its almost a free layup

[copper turtle]

whoops

mixed my words up

fixed

[copper turtle]

shoot at half court and jump after it we know

[solid epoch]

yes, it is a good point

[copper turtle]

it's really not

[solid epoch]

Tell me, how so?

[tacit cedar]

Dang, im useless😔

[copper turtle]

you pretending I don't have counterarguments isn't a valid defense

xd

[copper turtle]

read up? I just got done saying it

They're all gated behind two cooldowns

[solid epoch]

Your counterarguments deosn't change much about what i said

[copper turtle]

Something about chess and pigeons

[thick hedge]

So what would be the point of the move?

[copper turtle]

I think I'll just put you on mute

Yeah, I will do that

[thick hedge]

using normal steal would be better at that point

[copper turtle]

real

they don't need to nerf it like this

that would be too severe

[solid epoch]

Go ahead, you either have jackpot and doesn't want it to get nerfed or a higher rarity or you lack knowledge on the game

[solid epoch]

No?

[thick hedge]

Eventually people gonna get used to it, just like ace on release, athletic fade looked so hard to block but but now it’s predictable

[solid epoch]

ace is not even close to jackpot right now

[copper turtle]

Last response before I put you on mute:

• I have Jackpot and abuse it as much as I can because I want the devs to realize how bad they messed up and nerf it. This proposed nerf is an overcorrection.

• You're right, I don't want this game to have a rarity higher than Mythic. That's a good thing.

• I can easily say the same thing about you

[thick hedge]

Ofc, because people know how to counter it now

[solid epoch]

💀 knew it

[copper turtle]

It highkey never looked hard to block

[tacit cedar]

As I said it's the most annoying thing for me

[copper turtle]

I get that it's annoying

It's always annoying when something you rely on gets counterplay

[solid epoch]

I'm trying to argue with two 30 match players thats insane

[thick hedge]

well either way my point is people will get used to it, it’s not crazy tbh

[tacit cedar]

Bro should check stats before saying that

[copper turtle]

It absolutely is? They need to revert the windup buff immediately 💀

[solid epoch]

I have my own stats to back me up

[copper turtle]

This style is uncontested top 1 post-buff and was banned in league since release

This is release Giant level bad

[tacit cedar]

I were talking about your stats

[thick hedge]

I’m not even gonna lie with you bro, I was seeing it from a mile away, they never took the ball from me when they used it against me, the buff was valid imo

[tacit cedar]

Erm, actually i played 31 matches 🤓

[solid epoch]

So you have more sanity than they have

[thick hedge]

Also, giant is no.1 still imo

[copper turtle]

Oh, lemme guess: all the Jackpots you played against tried to use the steal when you still had dribbles?

[copper turtle]

Then you haven't played against a good Jackpot

simple as

[thick hedge]

we’re talking about a style generally tho, didn’t mention skill involved

[solid epoch]

If you ever get on a match with 2+ more jackpot and if they release 3v3 and you get against 3 jackpot is over, you can't pumpfake pass, you can't pump fake and some times you can't even shoot cause lucky steal ignore iframes that aren't from dribble

[copper turtle]

You're right, I didn't mention skill

You did

[tacit cedar]

Well, atleast some people have life unlike you

[copper turtle]

I'm only bringing it up now because you're talking about your experience against Jackpot players

[tacit cedar]

Bad stats - noob
Good stats - no life

[copper turtle]

skill will inevitably factor into that

[solid epoch]

So you are attacking me personally for what reason?

🤔

[tacit cedar]

No reason

[thick hedge]

generally giant is still the best, jackpot is crazy when you hit 777, but is it always reliable like giant? nope

[tacit cedar]

Just attacking you back

[tacit cedar]

Giant is trash

[thick hedge]

lol

[solid epoch]

went from ''talking about the style and the players that use them'' to ''Idk''

[copper turtle]

Yes or no: Have you had a Jackpot wait until you were out of dribbles

to use the steal

[tacit cedar]

Fr

[thick hedge]

I actually never use all my dribbles

[copper turtle]

So that's a no

thank you

(good habit to get into by the way, good on you 👍 )

So many people think you must use all three dribbles every time before you do something

it hurts to watch

The number of free points i've seen people give up just so they can dribble....

🥀

[thick hedge]

why would someone use all their dribbles when there’s a jackpot user on the opposite team? it just makes you predictable

[copper turtle]

Yeah, that's the correct idea

[thick hedge]

yea

that’s why I personally don’t find jackpot being all that

[copper turtle]

Now, another yes or no: has any Jackpot reacted to your pump fake? Or do you just not use the pump pass tech?

[thick hedge]

It’s no 2 tho for sure

[thick hedge]

not in my experience, I usually get very distance when im in the shooting zone

[copper turtle]

With the windup right now, it's actually not hard to just react to or predict a pump fake whenever. You can kinda just throw it out and hope once you get a feel for the rhythm your opponent plays at - and while I don't hate that, it feels way too easy right now

My only gripe with it is really just the speed

Either revert the windup buff or increase the cooldown by ~10 seconds

[copper turtle]

Final yes or no! Have you ever used Jackpot yourself?

[thick hedge]

I do get your point tho but the move gotta have a purpose, ive seen it being taken away like that from people

[copper turtle]

I agree that it should have a purpose

[thick hedge]

yes but I use giant more

[copper turtle]

That's why I disagree with OP's suggestion of not letting it go through non-dribble I-Frames

[copper turtle]

On a related note, I also like that it can steal from Post-Form. That's another reason I disagree with OPs suggestion, lol

[tacit cedar]

What does OP means

[thick hedge]

you

[copper turtle]

Original Poster

O P

[tacit cedar]

Ohhh

Ok sorry

[copper turtle]

That's you

[tacit cedar]

Im me

Im you

I mean giant is good, its pretty balanced, but if we take other mythics its kinda trash for me

[tacit cedar]

Is there any techs you could tell me btw 🥺

[copper turtle]

Hell no it's not

[copper turtle]

i mean what styles do you use

[tacit cedar]

Always different, tryna roll ace/jackpot but most of the time i prefer playmayker among these

[copper turtle]

I mean not really, playmaker is kinda easy to use

[tacit cedar]

Among those I roll*

[thick hedge]

question, is alley hop blockable?

[copper turtle]

i uh

[tacit cedar]

No

[copper turtle]

don't know

I'm gonna say no

but it goes so fast

so idk

[thick hedge]

ive seen it being blocked sometimes or idk probably a bug

[copper turtle]

i've seen midorima ult not go in

💀

prob a bug

[thick hedge]

oh yeah the arc too lol

[tacit cedar]

Crazy

[tacit cedar]

Can we play together 🥺🥺

[copper turtle]

oh hey can you still use Perfect Arc midair if you jump before receiving the ball

I haven't had sniper for a minute so idk

[tacit cedar]

My friends dont play bbz that much so I often have to play solo

[copper turtle]

I'm busy this afternoon 🥀

[tacit cedar]

You're in america?

Dang 💔, Im in eu regions

[copper turtle]

oh then double nah lol

I can't play with that kinda ping

[tacit cedar]

Same

[prime wedge]

They shouldn’t nerf it because it’s a mythic, maybe they could buff rarity tho

[tacit cedar]

I didnt say they should nerf it cuz its a mythic, I said they should nerf it cuz its overpowered

People who vote 🔥 are NOT jackpot users
Jackpot users vote ❌

[copper turtle]

correction: I 🔥'd and I'm a Jackpot user

not all 🔥s don't use Jackpot, but all ❌s do

[tacit cedar]

My bad, how could I forget about you😭🙏

[heady narwhal]

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