Buff Giant&Ace

[turbid needle]

Dont try to fake pump, more passing

[drowsy perch]

if you pumpfake pass

they can steal because of the pumpfake

with jackpot steal

.

[turbid needle]

And if u stance a fake pump, and literally pass the ball over it, that’s gonna be rage bait for jackpot

So idk what's your problem

[drowsy perch]

count the dribbles and on the third one people always pumpfake pass

then jackpot steal

if you get dash

its a free 3

[turbid needle]

Im jumping

[drowsy perch]

its not abt the person who is getting the ball

its abt the person who is passing it

they are the one being stolen from

[turbid needle]

Who???????

[drowsy perch]

you clearly do not use jackpot at a high level of play

[turbid needle]

Give me jackpot user

If he steals the ball from sniper

That's his problems

Not jackpot's

From this sight

[drowsy perch]

im actually getting ragebaited by a ESL 13 year old

😭

[turbid needle]

Jackpot goodie boy who stealed the ball

Idk what's your problem

Equiwok

[turbid needle]

Wth is a high level of play

[turbid needle]

Get help then idk whatcha say

[keen panther]

W

[soft lion]

remove the dash and its balanced

[turbid needle]

Imagine nel isagi in bbz

[soft lion]

nel isagi ruined blr so it is kinda weird that jackpot has a cross court dash move

[loud dawn]

the dash would be op if it was always in jackpot's skillset and not only when you steal

AND 1/3

you dont really use it much

so when you do,

it has to be good

[soft lion]

i mean I get its 1/3 and not guaranteed, but the issue is that it just has no outplay

because you basically tp down the court

the other moves have outplay, even if u cant steal the pass as long as someone is guarding the person they can deal with their shot

[rustic flume]

.

[icy egret]

bump

[balmy elk]

nerf jackpot

[glass crow]

nah

[icy egret]

so you didn't read anything i said

[glass crow]

jackpot is balanced

[balmy elk]

wth is this new thing

this was named buff jackpot bro

and now its nerf it

this people just want to fight

[icy egret]

its always been nerf

[balmy elk]

mmm

are u fr

[icy egret]

yes

j made it

lol

120 people disagree

[balmy elk]

why nerf it

[icy egret]

not as balanced compared to other mythicals

[balmy elk]

what style do u use

[icy egret]

all 3 mythicals

well theres 4 now

[glass crow]

theres 4

.

[olive solar]

Debump

[stone mirage]

His steal is braindead, having windup means like nothing, it destroys anyone pumpfaking and can even steal shots that have JUST been released and then its a 2 part.. Bounce into a perfect pass is also horribly annoying it just makes him a better phantom with that alone. If you use jackpot after ball has been passed and its mid air it phases through anyone, so you can actually get a free ball from it at the start of a round. Pull stops any shot, lucky shot is just a sniper full court and is literally unblockable at the start of a round. Also god forbid they hit 777 and it forces the entire enemy team to play keep away forcing potentially risky passes just to play around him.

[hexed iron]

what type of coping is this

[icy egret]

bump

[icy egret]

ur pc and terrible btw

plus balancing isn't coping

ofc someone who isn't even competent enough to play the game

would have no idea of this

[hexed iron]

ive never played against you before

plus dont you take the bus to school 😭

middle schooler

theres a reason why i blocked you

bc you underage 🤫

tryin to get in my dms

[long goblet]

I got all of them

And I can say this now

Yes Jackpot is good

But it isn’t the best

Giant is way better than jackpot

Jackpot is definitely second tho

It goes Giant Jackpot Copy Ace

[hexed iron]

wrd

[wooden lotus]

Agreed

[orchid quarry]

Copy number one style btw

[torpid badger]

are you dumb?

🤡

"I can never forgive those who defy me, not even my own parents."

Yes my name is remy... Yes I sit on roblox all day cause am a bum.... yes my parents hate me... yes Im asking for a nerf because I cant get any other legendary

bros coping so hard

LOL

[dark silo]

imo i’ve used jackpot for a long time so for me it’s jackpot copy ace then giant cause im not a defensive player

ace is only down there because it always requires ball and is imo skilless

i’ve seen a 59 ovrl w ace cook a 100 ovrl giant from the moves

[long goblet]

That’s opinion based tho I look at everything through pros and cons

And while I don’t use giant as much as the other styles the things u can get away with giant is crazy

Snatch block can grab shots passes has priority over stray balls etc

It’s the hard counter to every style of played correctly besides probably phantom

A giant use can snatch block nutmeg

And that’s a dribble skill

But because it isn’t a true dribble skill giant users can grab the opponents nutmeg

Giant is factually the best because it gets away with so much stuff it shouldn’t

Jackpot has confirmed passes unless ur using giant or lock

Then u just snatch block or intercept

[icy egret]

its from anime

[icy egret]

You're so Incompetent, you've proved to me you know nothing about the game just wanna throw insults

you didn't read anything AT all

I already said I have 3 out 4 mythicals

ONE being jackpot

all you can do is throw these pathetic weak insults

because you are incompetent of anything else at all

maybe come back and send a message when you even have alittle more competence

or any understanding of the game 😭💔

[spare yoke]

Buff giant? Hell no. Are you that bad that you need it to be buffed?

[dark silo]

no if based off that ace is best still because of its ability to make almost every shot if played correctly

[dark silo]

wrd giant players are more skilled and they know no buff is needed

[dark silo]

i have them all and the best ovrl is ace jackpot is only good on 1v1 type stuff but ace can fly past a team then shoot

alr jack pot is a easy counter i’ve always dribbled a jackpot out the way just turn on ur sound

u hear the wind up

remy everyone has told u this

end of the day it’s a skill issue and it’s ur fault

thats all there is to it

skill issue

[icy egret]

loo

lol

His post form is takeable

and blockable if u even try shooting

and his hithox has been nerfed so badly

star is way just better atp

gets more range

and bigger hitbox

[long goblet]

That can be said about sniper

By this logic that means Logically the best style is Sniper because it can make a 3 pointer guaranteed from anywhere

But it isn’t

Because it can be easily guarded

Like ace

It can be easily guarded if the enemy knows how to go against it

Just like sniper

Thats the most illogical take I’ve heard all day

“Because it can make a shot from anywhere it’s better”

Dawg sniper can shoot a 3 from half court with 1 ability it’s a guaranteed make if no one guards it

But against someone who knows what there doing

Sniper is dog

Just like ace

Ace against someone who knows what there doing can be known as underwhelming

Especially if ur own ability gets snatched blocked because a giant player who is good with giant

Especially when there are way better dribble abilities than Ace as well

Copy even proves this

[main peak]

Its not about the style

every style can be countered with enough skill

You just need the skill to back it up

[main peak]

this makes no sense

even if it was true

there are defensive styles can counter its moves

[long goblet]

Yes but then again there are just styles in the game that hard counter either every style or most styles in the game

Which is why I say Giant is the best Mythical style in the game

Because it hard counters every other mythical style having good defense and offensive capabilities in their skill set

[main peak]

I mean giant is good

but I wouldnt say its the best

[long goblet]

Giant is the only other style that counters Jack pot ace and copy it also counters sniper and lock

Flash is explanatory depending on how it’s played

[main peak]

Its not countering ace if ace plays his cards correctly

and one pumpfake is all it takes

and yeah I was about to talk about flash

[long goblet]

If a ace player goes for a athletic shot(which 9 times out of 10 they do) the ball gets grabbed

[main peak]

not for me it seems

7/10 I make the shot

[long goblet]

And even then it can be blocked by a normal block

[main peak]

4 directions

double fake then pick a direction

or just get distance

then use it

[long goblet]

Then it all comes down to positioning of the enemy

If the enemy is well positioned it’s blocked or grabbed

[main peak]

same for most of the styles

then don't let him?

[long goblet]

Not really

[main peak]

thats literally what basketball is all about

positioning and getting wide

you can always make tough shots

not to mention that you have 3 dribbles that allow oyu to create distances easily

[long goblet]

Basketball is all about positioning and setting up for successful points yes but what makes ace underwhelming is the fact that it gets countered by most things in the game or there are other things in the game that does things better than it

[main peak]

countered such as what?

[long goblet]

Like how u can make Post Hook a three pointer if positioned correctly

[main peak]

it can be blocked easily

its predictable

not to mention that its even more easier to block than athletic fade

especially when ur going for the 3

[long goblet]

It can be blocked easily if the enemy team is in the perfect position to do so if not it’s a guaranteed make

And even then

They can just dunk for a guaranteed point

[main peak]

even if you are the one being posted

u can still block it

💀

its like %90 block rate if done correctly

with no ability

[long goblet]

Not if it’s charge into post or if you already have jumped and at the beginning of the skill u can’t move freely

[main peak]

double guard

ggs

[long goblet]

The only efficient way to block post hook is by jump stealing

Or double guarding

Which again doesn’t happen unless the enemy knows what their doing and have good positioning

[main peak]

same for ace

[long goblet]

And even then again they can just dunk it for guaranteed points

[main peak]

but ace scores 3s

and is a lot versatile

[long goblet]

However Ace if someone has a singular braincell or atleast more than 2

[main peak]

u can always use athletic fade for 2s

[long goblet]

It just gets blocked

U can literally use lock bubble defense walk towards where there going to shoot and just auto block it

[main peak]

why are we talking about braindead users?

thats the same for giant

[long goblet]

For giant it’s tricky because the step back on it creates range meaning for it to work u have to use ur steal ability then bubble defense to get the auto block off

And then again

If some hook shots

It can be snatched block

CRAZY AINT IT

ITS ALMOST AS IF SNATCH BLOCK CAN JUST TAKE THE BALL FROM ANYWHERE

JUST BECAUSE THE ABILITY IS UP

[main peak]

one pumpfake

is all it takes

[long goblet]

all u need to use snatch block is good timing

And good giant players

[main peak]

yeah time that agaisnt pumpfake myguy

[long goblet]

Would jump first

Then snatch block

If ur pump faking

[main peak]

easy

pump

[long goblet]

Purposely jump first

[main peak]

fake shot then pass

[long goblet]

If u pass the ball it’s because u know ur gonna get the ball taken

[main peak]

and the ability is wasted!!

wahhh!!

[main peak]

u can change it up

[long goblet]

You got pressured

[main peak]

fake shot quickly pass to the teammate

get passed back

[long goblet]

Then just

[main peak]

make the 3

ez

[long goblet]

Actually no

Cause if ur teammate doesn’t shot pass

They snatch block

And catch the pass

And if they do shot pass

Save snatch block

And repeat

Then it’s a never ending cycle

[main peak]

not really

[long goblet]

It sadly is true

[main peak]

aint nobody is doing that in games nearly most of the stuff happens instictfully as the game is quick paced

Giants can't stop good ace players

honestly

giants are kinda useless

[long goblet]

Giants can stop good ace players if they know how to go against ace

[main peak]

every other style can fullfil their place

[main peak]

this debate is not going anywhere

Imma js hop on game and destroy some giants

see u

[long goblet]

Thing is people don’t know how to go against aces athletic shot but the people who do counter it so easily it’s not even funny

Eh I’ve been forcing aces to leave the game cause they get their shots blocked

[main peak]

good luck on that

[long goblet]

As soon as I see ace players

I hard target them

[main peak]

I hope we meet one day then

[long goblet]

And they just leave cause athletic shot ain’t working

[main peak]

see u

[dark silo]

i was abt to say that

there is no true winner in this game because it’s balanced

so if it’s balance then jackpot nerf and giant and ace buff isn’t needed

still opinion wise ace is good but i just personally don’t like the lack of skill it needs

[main peak]

exactly

go agaisnt comp players

u gonna need skill

I hate ace players myself

[frosty pebble]

hmm i see

buff jackpot

!

[steady cradle]

You don’t really need skill for any of the mythic styles ace in particular, you can counter jackpot easily with skill, not exactly it’s c move but it’s steal yes. I don’t believe in giant

[loud dawn]

agreed

ace is the most braindead

just use both skills and you have a three in most cases

[steady cradle]

Best shooting skill in the game

Best dribble in the game (maybe copy beats that now but arguable)

It takes two people with intelligence to block the shooting skill

And even then it’s still difficult

[loud dawn]

yup

[loud dawn]

ah yes, a dribbling ability that, when paired with three normal dribbles, carries your from your hoop to basically opponent's paint

[cosmic fossil]

giant does NOT need a buff gng

giant is balanced/strong

[loud dawn]

also agreed

i think balanced, maybe a bit strong

[steady cradle]

I don’t believe in giant

It’s not real

[loud dawn]

giant was made up in our schizophrenic episodes

it does not exist

fr

[steady cradle]

There’s no way the ref isn’t seeing these fouls

I must be imagining it

[cosmic fossil]

but jackpot definitely needs balance changes

the recent buff was needed but so was a nerf

guaranteed steal guaranteed ankle break is out of this world

[steady cradle]

Yeah

That shouldn’t be 50/50

Buff it’s other stuff

Not that

[cosmic fossil]

50/50 is fair but the buffs compared to the nerf obtained w the awk move isn’t

[steady cradle]

Especially either it’s jackpot steal

Guaranteed ball possession

Basically just a flash awk move

And a full court

[cosmic fossil]

u can litteraly be unbeatable orrr just move 10% slower

[cosmic fossil]

frr

[steady cradle]

Plus a follow-up

[cosmic fossil]

and also u get lucky stun or lucky dash afterwards just free 3 pointers

[steady cradle]

Maybe a dash

Yeah

[cosmic fossil]

Lucky bounce is really fun tho

[steady cradle]

It literally has a 1/3 chance to get phantoms pass but faster, flash dash but no drawbacks, or a stun

[cosmic fossil]

for realll

nerf lucky steal and increase downsides when not hitting jackpot

[steady cradle]

It should like

Ban you for a day when you fail jackpot

It represents the debt chrollo got into after going to the casino

[cosmic fossil]

facts

u should get perma banned when you get ankle broken with lucky steal

[steady cradle]

True!

Right now it only flings you half the court

Have it fling you into the crowd and then have a court case from the crowd

[cosmic fossil]

i hope chrollo actually reads suggestions ts is fire

[steady cradle]

Fr

Make me a dev

[unborn marsh]

ACE is good, jackpot is balanced wyoab

[steady cradle]

Ace is brain dead

It should need more skill to use

Just the basic idea

Street ball

It should be more difficult to use

Jackpot is Wtv

[odd cargo]

BUFF ACE?!?! its joke?

[icy egret]

bump

[stone mirage]

Me when the drive is walk speed and the fade is the most predictable move in game

[icy egret]

bump

[icy egret]

bump

[prime finch]

Hell no, they are mythics for a reason dawg, it dosent make sense

[stone mirage]

Except they arent equal

[prime finch]

They are

[stone mirage]

Def not

[prime finch]

Explain how

[stone mirage]

Im like 90% sure i posted a yap in here before

Lets see if i can find it

[stone mirage]

“His steal is braindead, having windup means like nothing, it destroys anyone pumpfaking and can even steal shots that have JUST been released and then its a 2 part.. Bounce into a perfect pass is also horribly annoying it just makes him a better phantom with that alone. If you use jackpot after ball has been passed and its mid air it phases through anyone, so you can actually get a free ball from it at the start of a round. Pull stops any shot, lucky shot is just a sniper full court and is literally unblockable at the start of a round. Also god forbid they hit 777 and it forces the entire enemy team to play keep away forcing potentially risky passes just to play around him.”

And the fact they proceeded to buff jackpot on top of this

[prime finch]

Who cares

[stone mirage]

You just asked

😭

[prime finch]

I always get my ankles broken when I steal

So shut up 🥷🏿

[stone mirage]

@junior plover

[turbid needle]

Buff jackpot fr

[icy egret]

bump

[coarse trench]

Awesome post and I def agree with most of what you said. Real quick question what do you personally think is the best format to play the game. 3s 4s or 5s?

[coarse trench]

Also you highlighted another thing that people fail to understand which is that 2s in this game are almost completely irrelevant. With all of the abilities at your disposal, especially in 4s or 5s and 2 can almost be gotten for free on every possession. I see so many people arguing against giant because of its post up being decently strong at ensuring 2 points on the board. When that truly means nothing

[stone mirage]

Well…. I agree to an extent. In comp though defense can be extremely oppressive and its quite hard to take a safe 3 and so sometimes if you can take a lead even if its small, its good to just spam 2’s and focus on defense and stopping the other team from shooting, turnover, and hit more 2’s. Its also much safer esp with sky leap and snatch block

[coarse trench]

Again, I asked the question of what format was the best for a reason. Personally I don’t think this game really works well in 4s and 5s. Due to the oppressive defense abilities like you said and just how many there are in 4s and 5s. It feels like every game is just spamming close range pump passes down the court, then using anyone’s ability who is off cooldown to try to make something happen in the absolute mess of players.

[sudden trellis]

0/10 ragebait

[sinful valve]

bump ngl makes his passes actually blockable or stealable

[stone mirage]

Yeah the court def needs to be a little bigger, esp width

Its way to crowded on 5v5

[coarse trench]

Personally I think the best format for the game in its current state is 3s. While close range pump passing is still used and def needs some sort of nerf. 3s flows much more like a normal game of basketball. I feel like there are 2 main things I would change in order to make 4s and 5s better. 1. Fake passes should be implemented in order to give players a way to bait out these oppressive moves. 2. I know this is gonna sound really strange but implement a small area around players that doesn’t allow other teammates into that area. Also I’m talking REALLY SMALL, while I’m not sure if this would work as I’m intending. I feel like something needs to be done about 5 people standing at the top arc and just fazing through each other.

[coarse trench]

Absolutely that as well

[tranquil cave]

I agree with ace just not gisnt

Giant is op in comp

[stone mirage]

Heh.

Sky leap is better than snatch block

💔

[tranquil cave]

Sky has start up tho

[stone mirage]

Getting out done by a legendary is wild

[stone mirage]

Yeah but it lingers too

[tranquil cave]

Also you can jump+ snatch block to gran it half way thru the shot

[stone mirage]

And has a farther range

You cant shoot for a good like 2 seconds if a sky leap is on you

[tranquil cave]

Ye but dash is also kinda mid

Unless someone shoots for you

Especially comp

[stone mirage]

Depends… With fewer players its much better. But in comp, if a defender isnt sitting like.. Corner. You just kill a little time, dash, and a phantom or jp perfect passes to you as you run corner

And theres a good chance your open unless theyve seen the play before

But it can also be used for getting loose balls or catching up to someone to defend

[tranquil cave]

Ye but it becomes predictable after a 3 same with sniper

Also i agree with ace

Buff

Most blockable thing in comp

[stone mirage]

Me when drive is walk speed and fade is worse than a normal shot

[tranquil cave]

You cant hit the fade unless someone is on jump cooldown

[tranquil cave]

Ye drive is mid unless you got a speed zone such as 777

[stone mirage]

That or if you do the tech although you can still predict exactly where the tech can go its a 50/50 on whether or not you do the tech… So leaves it up to a guessing game to a defender

But for the most part

Its terrible

[tranquil cave]

Yh

I use giant comp as 2nd slot

Then main is flash

Flash is genuinely too broken

Comp wise and pubs

[stone mirage]

Impossible to beat 1 on 1

[tranquil cave]

They should switch it with a e

Ace

[stone mirage]

Its insanely strong for a legendary but its still not quite the best in game

[tranquil cave]

And quick step layup is broken too

Flash is the best comp style in the game

Since jackpot is banned

In most leagues

[stone mirage]

Copycat is kinda cringe

Icl

[tranquil cave]

Copy cat ain't even worth banning in scrims

It's broken but not really

Lie

You can legit steal it mid dash

If they fix that it would be good

[stone mirage]

Played someone whos alr been usin it since drop in a league game last night and dude would use flowstep and have the choice to take the 2 or burst and instantly be back at 3 and shoot

Even thought he used burst and ended up in a crowd of players the speed just kinda caught everyone off guard nad he somehow got the shot

I think i explained it right 😭

[tranquil cave]

Got no clue what you just said gng

[stone mirage]

I dont really know how to explain it

Point is

Burst is REALLY fast

So yeah if they fix being able to steal

Def a insane move

[stone mirage]

Ps you can shoot while theres still vfx going on

[olive jungle]

jackpot is too buffed

that sick

[round basalt]

Buff giants jumping range

That’s it

And Ace needs a rework

[wary tartan]

nah wha jumping range?

are u serioues giant is fun and good

[stone mirage]

Star leap is better than snatch block because of it 💔

[stone mirage]

This

[gentle steeple]

I have every mythic except for jackpot and I must say that giant is the worth mythic.

[round basalt]

Snatch block is only usable when your STRAIGHT on them

[gentle steeple]

It literally needs a buff

[round basalt]

if they have a dribble move then your cooked

[sinful valve]

ace is

[stone mirage]

Well now your just wrong

Ace is far worse

[round basalt]

Ace is bunz

[stone mirage]

Giant doesnt need anything extreme

[gentle steeple]

Not to mention that snatch block hitbox is terrible, sometimes you go through the ball

[round basalt]

Giant counters

[round basalt]

Exactly

[gusty mauve]

Buff giant and ace

[stone mirage]

If anything giant needs a snatch buff and jackpot needs a nerf so they can meet in the middle

[gentle steeple]

Ace is buns yes but it’s slightly better than giant imo after my experience with using them both

[stone mirage]

And ace needs to be reworked

[wary tartan]

why ace tho it got fade away and good mobility

[round basalt]

sometimes you can barely block sniper bro

[round basalt]

everyone knows how to counter it

The dribble move is slow

[gentle steeple]

Literally the only good thing giant has in base is charge and sometimes the buggy snatch block

Post form is garbage

Like actually

[round basalt]

A speed flow easily catches to it

[stone mirage]

Me when drive is walk speed and fade is more predictable than simply shooting normally

[round basalt]

Make it like copycat

2 sets of dribbles

And the shooting shove have variants

Aomine doesn’t just fade away

He can dunk

Lay up

[gentle steeple]

Unless you do some tech like the up and down athletic fade tech

Very unpredictable

[round basalt]

Yh

[gentle steeple]

Still blockable tho

[round basalt]

Like giant destroys an ace user

[gentle steeple]

But it’s difficult to block since I’ve only seen like 3 people do it

[gentle steeple]

Yeah

Giant counters ace

[round basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/kuroko-no-basket-gif-19357344

[gentle steeple]

But imo that doesn’t make giant better than ace

They’re like the same for me

[round basalt]

Giants ultimate is better

[gentle steeple]

Yeah it is better

[round basalt]

Use the non animation move first

Alr did

[gentle steeple]

Ultimate wise yes

[round basalt]

And it comes back

But giants 1st move

AHHH

Bunz

Unless you dunk

Bc you can’t block the dunk

[gentle steeple]

Btw who do yall think it’s the best style? I think it’s copycat ngl

[round basalt]

Iframes

[stone mirage]

Its good if your spamming 2’s……. I guess

[round basalt]

Ofc it’s copy

BUT

PERFECTION

[stone mirage]

Copycat has more potential but jackpot is the most consistently mind numbing style

[round basalt]

https://tenor.com/view/reeyarn-ballin-cell-gif-21096101

[gentle steeple]

Trye

[stone mirage]

Cause sometimes if you copy a lock, giant, ace, theres a 50/50 you get a bad move

[gentle steeple]

True*

[stone mirage]

While jackpot consistently just has 2 great moves

And a ult that hurts my head

[gentle steeple]

Well ace doesn’t really have bad moves in base they’re just very predictable

I guess you could say they’re bad actually

[chrome yoke]

jackpot is amazing!

[gentle steeple]

I don’t copy giants though because if I get post form I’m stuck with it the entire game

[round basalt]

Two copied moves

[stone mirage]

Drive is good id say esp as a copycat when you can flowstep after to move away from a defender, or even use speed dribbles to move away from a defender after using drive to bring ball down court. But copying fade makes me wanna cry

[chrome yoke]

the one where you shoot is easily blockable 💀

[stone mirage]

Could just fake the post form dunk and pass to someone on 3 pt line

[gentle steeple]

Uhh yes?

[gentle steeple]

not really, giant is slightly worse than ace base wise.

[stone mirage]

💔 Tweaking

[gentle steeple]

how? Ace has 2 3 pointer moves and very easy to use if your unguarded or if the person defending is inexperienced. Giant has one shooting move and its not even guarenteed. Plus it can be blocked

[stone mirage]

Someones gonna shoot? Block. They pump faked? Snatch block, Giant cant be faked! (Same with jackpot steal smh) Pumpfake close passing is also impossible to stop unless you have… Intercept, Sky leap, Jackpot steal… And guess what… Snatch block! Loose ball? Guess what makes you leap forward and get loose balls? Snatch block… Also shoot form dunk is unblockable, free 2. Can also just cancel it mid way and pass to someone at 3.

Ace? Athletic drive is hardly faster than walk speed, if that. Just walk backwards and your still caught up to them. All it really is, is steal immunity for a few seconds. Fade is the most predictable move in game. Youd have better luck just shooting the ball normally.

Need i continue

[stone mirage]

Also your argument for ace being usable is so silly. You can use fade if your unguarded? Why. Just shoot

And relying on your opponents being inexperienced?

So basically your style sucks against anyone half decent

[gentle steeple]

Simple just go into the pump pass. Very easy to counter if you know they have giant. Especially with copycat.

and yes i have read your entire comment

snatch block cant steal passes

[gentle steeple]

same could be said for basically every style.

[gentle steeple]

What do you expect? Ace has been here since day 1 and basically everyone knows how to counter it if they're experienced.

which by the way over 50% of the playerbase is experienced

[stone mirage]

Me when flash is witerally unbeatable 1 on 1

Me when jackpot bounce also makes you nearly unbeatable 1 on 1

[stone mirage]

It can the moment they pass

Yk how many times and not just in scrims but in NORMAL 3v3’s

Ive had a pass insta snatch blocked?

That means its clearly not hard if normal giant players are doin it

[stone mirage]

Its literally just jump the opposite way of the first way they hop and you always block fade bro 😭

[stone mirage]

90% sure you have no clue what i just said

They start to shoot? Jump to block. But it was a pumpfake and your jump on cd? Just snatch block

[icy egret]

bump

[gentle steeple]

ive literally never seen it everytime ive played

[gentle steeple]

Looks like you didnt know what i was saying either. I said PUMP PASS, pumpfake into the pass. And again ive never seen anybody snatch block a pass in my experience.

[stone mirage]

Then your playing some p bad players

Or rather giants

[gentle steeple]

Well the move literally says "Snatch Block" so i would really assume that the move also steals passes as well.

would assume it only takes the ball if its high up in the air since you jump high as well but just my preference

[split compass]

Bump

[coarse trench]

nah it can steal it at any height

I play giant as a secondary style and honestly the primary thing to do with snatch block is stealing passes

my problem with giant is all the other abilities are mid af

I legit only use snatch block when I play giant

and maybe the push if the time calls for it

also the awakening is def mid to bottom tier

[glossy crane]

Pls dont

Plssssss

[icy egret]

bump

[chrome yoke]

happy brithday

[void aurora]

giant needs a buff but ace is fine

[glass crow]

It isn't

Ace is bad

[void aurora]

no he isnt

[glass crow]

He is

The fact flash is better

Is sad

[void aurora]

u have an ability that makes you [title card] and a 100% shoot in the 2 points zone

im pretty sure ace is doing ok

[glass crow]

It's easily blocked and predictable

And I don't think 100% shot bc of blocking

[void aurora]

i never have never seen someone block it

[glass crow]

Well you can block it

It's just understanding it movement

[void aurora]

maybe you shouldnt be able to

bam we got a buff

[glass crow]

I mean it's a shooting skill

That would be unfair if they made it IMPOSSIBLE to block

[void aurora]

maybe the skill stuns everyone thats close to the user?

but it might be too op

[glass crow]

Again

It's a fade

It's to catch people off guard

But since it came out long ago

At this point it needs a rework

[void aurora]

with that analogy every style need a buff or a rework because they are predictable

[glass crow]

Every shooting skill

[void aurora]

except for idk copycat chuck and lock

[glass crow]

Not every character

[void aurora]

what about the sniper shooting skill?

its unblockabler

[glass crow]

Predictable

[glass crow]

It's even worse than ace

[void aurora]

wdym

[glass crow]

Slow motion in the sir

Air*

[glass crow]

It's even easier to block

I block it all the time

[void aurora]

sniper needs a rework anyway its boring to play

[glass crow]

It's bc it's useless

Shooting skills are boring

[void aurora]

fr

by the way do you think that shooting should be harder than it is now?

[glass crow]

Why I like copy and jackpot

[glass crow]

Wdym

[void aurora]

i mean i can aim 10 meters left to the basket and still score

[glass crow]

I mean it's called something with aerodynamics

And they also have that for mobile and console user

[void aurora]

pc servers only would be cool too

[glass crow]

I mean

I would rarely play them

[void aurora]

or autoaim only for mobile like in rivals

[glass crow]

Bc I would rather play with my girl and my friend sal

[void aurora]

i doubt thats the case for most of the pepole that play on pc

[glass crow]

That be different

[void aurora]

btw i think that obtaining mythical styles should be harder

[glass crow]

Why

You realize

You just triggered everybody right

You're encouraging p2w

[void aurora]

it doesnt make sense to play anymore because you only see mythical styles

[glass crow]

Not really

I see more legendaries

Mainly star and sniper

Both are horrible

[stone mirage]

Ace is terrible

Drive is walk speed, Fade is the most blockable shooting move oat

[upbeat garden]

Your lucky I only see clutch and sniper😭

[dark silo]

nah ngl the dribble doesn’t have yk DRIBBLE FRAMES

[outer coral]

Ace is easier the worst mythic. Blocking ace is very easy.

[outer coral]

It definitely doesn't take 2 people 3 block ace.

2 people would help

But it's very easy to block once you understand the move

[jaunty echo]

Ace is terrible for a mythic its only good while having the ball and barely good like that 😭

[icy egret]

bump

[arctic holly]

giant does not need a buff and ace is only the worst mythic cause people dont use it right

[stone mirage]

Define not use it right

How do you properly use ace

Please explain how to make the fade not unbelievably easy to block

[long goblet]

It’s easy to block in any scenario it’s based on positioning

If they do the sideways tech just stand behind them

[stone mirage]

Yeah i alr know this

Im tryna get this dude to explain how else to do it

Cuz clearly he thinks ace isnt bad

🙏

[icy egret]

bump

[long mesa]

Bump my style

[lunar fox]

Ace shoot move is usually always blocked with good players in a match maybey only 1 or 2 times i score with it but it’s really hard since if he guy doesn’t blocked which is unlikely since usually the first person blocks there’s also a 2 or 3 close

[cyan beacon]

Why would you buff giant

giant can also steal passes and pump fake passes

This is a flawed logic

instead of buffing other stuff to be on the op styles level

You should balance the op style to be as good as the other styles

This is what results in power creep

[fading dock]

giant and ace are fine if you know how to use them

if you know the tech for ace’s fade, you basically become unblockable 💀

giant is good at stealing passes and getting free dunks but you can also use snatch to snatch your own ball and travel far enough to shoot a 3

[orchid quarry]

Only good thing about ace is the shot

Drive is running speed

And just dont go near the hoop during his awk

[fallen lodge]

what would yall rank the mythics from best to worst

[orchid quarry]

1.Copy
2.jackpot
3.Giant
4.ace

Ace is the worst

[fallen lodge]

giant behind jackpot is debatable icl

[long goblet]

Giant
Jackpot
Copy
Ace

Dawg I found out the counter to copy dribble

The second part of the dribble pulls the player in front of you

So when u get pulled if they try to shoot or normal pass just jump and block

[coarse trench]

Uh oh not this guy again

[coarse trench]

1. Copy 2. Jackpot 3. Giant 4. Ace

[long goblet]

Not this guy glazing one skill 🥀

[coarse trench]

Giant being the best mythic is pretty crazy take

And as you know

The dash in copy is crazy

🤪

[long goblet]

Meh I’m Ngl I went against copy dash today and I just found how to go against it

I never realized the second part of the dribble pulls ppl in front of you

Which makes it easier to defend against copy users

[coarse trench]

Yeah it does

[long goblet]

Like I got pulled by a copy user

He tried to shoot

I just blocked him

And I was like “dawg there’s no way that ur own downfall is ur own ability”

[coarse trench]

It really comes down to everyone being horrible at this game

[long goblet]

I just kept doing the same thing if I didn’t get pulled I couldn’t block him cause my other teammates braindead

Yeah

[coarse trench]

Like actually everyone

[long goblet]

Like actually most BBZ players have to be studied

I was able to do this multiple times and my teammates couldn’t even do it once they were right in front of him

[coarse trench]

It’s quite literally a game that takes probably an hour to be good at and like 5 to master all the techs

Yet people are still shooting quadruple contested shots 🥀

[long goblet]

Yeah that’s true

[long goblet]

Mfs be guarded by 5 ppl and still think it’s ok to shoot js pass bro 🥀

[clever hollow]

yes

[stone mirage]

Id say cc and jp are tied. Just cause cc if youre copying giant, lock, and some other styles that only have like 1 good skill you can possibly end up with something p useless. So basically they just tied because jackpot is more consistent.

[fading dock]

that’s why i just don’t use burst lol

i just use flowstep to get away from defenders and get an ez 3

[icy egret]

bump

[cyan beacon]

we need a perfection nerf

💀

[keen panther]

Jackpot nerf looking goofy compared to the real best style now

[icy egret]

b

[inner flicker]

https://discord.com/channels/1326149032384532530/1368012827142651975

[icy egret]

bump

[sudden trellis]

The only jackpot nerf I would accept is the range of lucky shot, ace needs a major buff immediately

[blissful merlin]

Ace needs a whole rework.

[sudden trellis]

frrrr

The buff giant would get is either post form range because it's usually a 2 pointer, or charge going in the direction your facing.

[icy egret]

bump

Buff Giant&Ace

[icy egret]

b

[glass crow]

lucky shot is as its suggested

a lucky shot

why would they nerf it?

[icy egret]

n

b

[south vortex]

Btw idk if anyone knows but giant is glitched rn and dosent let you use the first move so Chrollo if you can fix that that will makeme happy thank you

[cinder widget]

Ngl giant has to be the worst mythic.

Best move is chargw

[inner sigil]

L take

[icy egret]

bump

[sudden trellis]

The only reason its the worst is because post-form is bugged, if it gets fixed then ace is the worst, not giant

[leaden sun]

Also can't you use 2 contact dunks in giant awk if you time it right

[inner sigil]

yeah but

thats if you do get to the 2 point line without any complications

[tame bloom]

ESTA BIEN

[icy egret]

bump

[icy egret]

giants post form is still stealable from jackpot

[glass crow]

It's disabled

[glass crow]

It's not

Ace is

In fact

Ace is bad at everything it does

[south vortex]

fr

[glass crow]

Giant users are suppose to defend, not go on the offensive

[south vortex]

especially because of perfection when everyone spams blink, the moves arent good anymore

only the 1st one is

[glass crow]

copycat copies move with other op moves

[south vortex]

oh really?

[glass crow]

Yeah

[south vortex]

I didnt know that I though it was coming later

thanks for letting me know I have copy cat rn ima go try it

[glass crow]

💀💀💀

Your like 2 weeks behind

[south vortex]

lol

[glass crow]

I'm being fr

Besides perfection

It's the best character

[south vortex]

ohhh ....

mb I though you were saying copy cat can copy perfection

thats why I said I didint know

but I do know that he copies any style besides perfection

[glass crow]

💀💀💀

[icy egret]

b

[quasi obsidian]

icl

all they need 2 do to buff ace is to make its shot a auto 3 if unblocked.

theres plenty of styles that have auto 3s in their kit n some of them aint even myth+

bc u alrdy gotta b weird w the shot bc any experienced player who know what they doin is blockin ts free

so while u twisting n turnin w the jumps, it would b very nice if it jus goes in.

the dribbles alrdy a auto dunk, thats all i see ppl use it 4 anyways.

[cinder widget]

Ace'a shot is an auto three, it's just that you need to be close to the goal for it to work, like right in front of the three pointer line

[leaden sun]

You can actually go pretty far out with it, so around the corner hash

[icy egret]

b

[undone glen]

fix giant post form

[icy egret]

will be next update

[icy egret]

b

[icy egret]

b

[half moon]

A

[icy egret]

b

[icy egret]

b

[glass crow]

It's not

[icy egret]

b

[leaden sun]

Does it not auto aim at the hoop gang

Bc I be shooting backwards all the time

[glass crow]

You are abusing a glitch and aim assist still exists, it just matters rather they block

Everything auto goes in if not ranked

[leaden sun]

how is it a glitch if it auto aims at the hoop-

[lethal gulch]

ngl it’s hard to buff ace and giant cause one wrong buff and boom they are too op nerf this wahhhh

[glass crow]

The ball auto aim with most shooting moves

If not all

Except chuck

[leaden sun]

Yeah then how is it a glitch-

[icy egret]

b

[icy egret]

b

[vague mauve]

Giant does NOT need a buff

[icy egret]

b

[glass crow]

It kinda does

Flash is better than it and ace

And the 3rd best obtainable character

[icy egret]

b

[inner sigil]

giant doesnt need a buff

[icy egret]

b

[glass crow]

Kinda does

Both ace and giant are kinda outdated, especially ace

[inner sigil]

[icy egret]

b

[quasi obsidian]

crazy cause giant got nerfed

[lethal gulch]

m

[heavy stirrup]

i agree, jackpot steal is hella op

most people dont know how to use it

but a decent jackpot? they make jackpot seem better than prime perfection

[wet gust]

how do you use jackpot steal then

[heavy stirrup]

and the dribble stunning is pretty unfair

[heavy stirrup]

prediction, or when the opponent pumpfakes

[icy egret]

200 reactions and devs don't care 😭✌🏻

[fast badge]

i agree about the ultimate part but i feel like giant is fine

snatch block/charge is like the best move in the game imo

[inner sigil]

jackpot and giant are literally the top picks for ranked rn

[fast badge]

fr

[inner sigil]

😭

[fast badge]

ace i can believe tho

ace shot is buns

but it does get a little overhated it isnt that bad

[inner sigil]

ace in general as a whole just needs

a rework

[fast badge]

yeah fr

[inner sigil]

i dont think buffs can save it atp

its very outdated

[fast badge]

its in a rlly wierd spot

and the awk cutscene looks so goofy

you just rip off the ai animation looking shirt

[inner sigil]

yeah its in desperate need for a rework lol

[icy egret]

keep in mind star has a bigger hitbox with sky leap then snatch

[fast badge]

true

[icy egret]

and snatch has LEGIT been nerfed

[fast badge]

althought snatch block has less startup

[inner sigil]

sky leap isnt a better move

[fast badge]

snatch block is more reliable

[icy egret]

2v2s make giant look better than what he actually is

[inner sigil]

• sky leap is geared towards offense rather than defense unlike snatch

[fast badge]

i dont play 2v2s

[fast badge]

yeah

its really easy to pumpfake a star user

into wastin sky leap

[inner sigil]

yeah

[icy egret]

I've seen snatch catch passes more than anything lately

[fast badge]

unlike with snatch block bcause you can just jump, and if they fake u can snatch blck

[inner sigil]

not to mention you can get stolen out of sky leap

[fast badge]

that too

its more reliable

[inner sigil]

if youre not careful

[fast badge]

wait really?

[icy egret]

huh

[inner sigil]

snatch is much more consistent and oppressive than sky leap

yeah

[fast badge]

my only problem is this wierd dunk awakening thing thats been going on

[inner sigil]

before you land

[fast badge]

who decided star needed 3 dunking awk moves

[icy egret]

giant n ace need a rework in general

[inner sigil]

you can get stolen out of sky leao

[fast badge]

self oop is WAY worse than the base dunking/blocking move

[icy egret]

they just nerfing giant rather then balacing

[fast badge]

giant does NOT need a rework

[icy egret]

and idk why star got a rework before ace

[inner sigil]

star drive is really good but i dont know why they kept

self oop

[icy egret]

his ultimate is so mid 💔

[fast badge]

ikr

[fast badge]

true

[inner sigil]

its just meteor strike without a cutscene

lol

[fast badge]

but stars awk is even worse

[inner sigil]

stars awakening is carried by star drive

[fast badge]

it doesnt even have an animation they just used the default jumping and dunking animation

[fresh summit]

Idek how to use ts💔

[inner sigil]

use it

[fresh summit]

And I have star- it’s js random it feels like

[inner sigil]

run into the paint

[fast badge]

anyways giant is great right now

[inner sigil]

press the skill again

[fresh summit]

Is that it?

[wispy fiber]

Giant doesn't need a nerf or a buff imo, it's fine as is.
Ace is in a rough spot because of how easy fade is to block with a plethora of classes, but it's still good, though I'd say it's the most deserving of a buff out of all the mythics.

[fast badge]

snatch block is equal to or better than sky leap on defense

[inner sigil]

giant is literally top 2 picks in ranked in general as i said

[fast badge]

fr

[inner sigil]

snatch block is definitely better than leap for defense

[fast badge]

even if u wanna argue and say its like top 4 thats still great

[wispy fiber]

It's easier to use, though it doesn't have as much range as stat leap.

[fast badge]

yeah

[fresh summit]

It is. There has been a bunch of them running around recently

[fast badge]

but star leap is easily fakeable

[wispy fiber]

Ease of use is what makes it easy for people to gravitate to it.

[inner sigil]

much easier and consistent

[fast badge]

sky leap's startup is pretty bad

[inner sigil]

i personally like sky leap solely because its satisfying to land lol

[fast badge]

yeah

[wispy fiber]

Star leap shouldn't be used for anything other than passes or unique shots like perfection, or athletic fade, etc.

[fast badge]

?

[wispy fiber]

Ig you learn it, it can cou ter everything.

If*

[fast badge]

how do you sky leap a pass

[inner sigil]

uh

i do it often

too often actuallt

[fast badge]

wait rlly?

[wispy fiber]

Yeah.

[inner sigil]

yeha

[fresh summit]

Shoot across court, star leap and you catch the ball

[fast badge]

i've never actually tried that lol

[wispy fiber]

It can counter everything

It's just very hard.

[inner sigil]

i tend to observe enemy patterns

so

[fast badge]

same

[inner sigil]

if i know theyll pass after the 2nd dribble

[fast badge]

like if they pause between dribbles

[inner sigil]

i just sky leap early

lol

[fast badge]

yeah u gotta figure them out

[wispy fiber]

It takes a lot of trial and error.

[fast badge]

i usually do that with steals and unbreakable

[wispy fiber]

But as I said; it absolutely creams if you get it right.

[fast badge]

like ill notice they dribble twice then wait a bit and dribble a third time and steal after the second dribble

unbreakable is so nice

[inner sigil]

star is a really rewarding style in general

[fast badge]

yeah

i would say its a little busted

but thats just because of giant and ace's awks being trash

and ace as a whole being terrible

[inner sigil]

its strong but takes some execution

[fast badge]

also flash exists

[inner sigil]

star is also a bit gimmicky too

after the rework star is still the 2nd best legendary

[wispy fiber]

Star is high risk high reward, at least in regards to sky leap and making the most of its kit.

[fresh summit]

I js wish it had more on ball movement. The super dunk is cool, but I need an extra dash or sumn personally- tho, I tend to like shot creator styles more

Star tht is

[inner sigil]

it does have drive

[wispy fiber]

I'd put it above flash if you're able to master sky leap. But if you can't use sky leap very well I'd say flash is better.

[fast badge]

did u see the rework?

[inner sigil]

i mainly use it to throw off opponent timing to get a shot or a pass

[fresh summit]

maybe I suck but it’s not enough😭

[fast badge]

it got a solid dribble move

[wispy fiber]

It absolutely is lol.

[inner sigil]

the dribble move is great if you have a target in front of you

but

if you use the one without a target

it sucks

ton of endlag

also chrollo lied the dribble doesnt have a dunk followup 😭

[wispy fiber]

I'll stand by what I said though; if any mythic needs a buff, it's Ace.
It's countered by so many classes I use it to point guard more often than actually scoring.

[inner sigil]

ace is just

[fresh summit]

I did, but- the way I play is more acclimate to Ace, but he’s js too predictable atm

[inner sigil]

one trick tbh

[fresh summit]

Exactly

[wispy fiber]

I disagree.

[inner sigil]

flash plays like aomine better than ace does

[wispy fiber]

It's just not allowed to do what it was intended to do.

[fast badge]

thats most ace users

the really good ones know how to throw people off

[inner sigil]

yeah but even then

[fast badge]

like if you're waiting for the athletic fade and u jump on the third fake

[fresh summit]

His cooldowns are stupid long as well.

[inner sigil]

they avoid using half of their moveset

[fast badge]

but they ending up shooting normally

[inner sigil]

which isnt really

[fast badge]

athletic fade is honestly better if you just dont use it

[inner sigil]

a proof of the style being good but rather a proof of skill

[wispy fiber]

That's what I'm saying.

I only ever use it if I know for a fact snatch block and perfection have been already used.

[fresh summit]

It’s situational. If you could pump fake out of it, it’d be way better

[fast badge]

its like having one ammo in double o seven in grade 2 and playing mind games

[inner sigil]

ace is so buns to the point where you have to avoid to use one of your moves to be viable

[fast badge]

fr

they have to remove athletic fade

[wispy fiber]

@inner sigil

[fresh summit]

Ts is crazy- and the good move has a cooldown thts too long

[inner sigil]

eh

[fast badge]

crazy to me how they dont have his formless shot

or his agility

[inner sigil]

you dont really need snatch block or leap to shut down fade

[fast badge]

the best aspects of his gameplay

[wispy fiber]

In theory you could replace fade with formless.

[fast badge]

yeah

it would be like perfections fadeaway

but just the shoot part

[wispy fiber]

No, but it's a flashy 3 pointer. It's usually target #1, aside from perfect arc or perfection 3 pointer.

[fast badge]

and in the 2pt line it could just be him throwing it abruptly

sort of like quick release

but he just chucks it with one arm

[inner sigil]

if they were to rework it they have to keep athletic dribbling

[fast badge]

yeah

[inner sigil]

and make it slightly faster because

[fast badge]

its still kind of wierd tho

[inner sigil]

i can catch up to it with just a zone

lol

[fast badge]

its basically just a speed increase

nobody gets ankle broken by it

[fresh summit]

ngl Ace would be better if he js had another dribble move. kinda like perfection where it can be chained into a tuff layup or sumn, or a step back 3 like push off

[inner sigil]

if thats the case

it should be restricted for 2s

dribble into auto score 3s is a bit busted

[wispy fiber]

Just look at perfection lmao.

Unless you have a perfection yourself, blocking that 3 pointer is a royal pain.

[inner sigil]

i dont have an issue blocking it

[fresh summit]

Mann w the way his cooldowns are idk😭 half of the match is gone before you can use your ability again it feels like, but yea it could be tweaked.

[wispy fiber]

Doable, but not at all fun.

[inner sigil]

but

[fast badge]

stars dribble move fits ace better than aces does

the off the ball one is literally aomines agility

[inner sigil]

the fact that perfection has TWO scoring options off a dribble is wild