#Buff Giant&Ace

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rose sun
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Bump

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Bump

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Bunp

patent condor
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YES BRO

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i swear everytime its a jackpot i jus wanna break my moniter

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then i realize i cant spell moniter

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and im to broke to buy a new one

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what happened to og giant now i jus see a kid get ult get 777 and i start getting touched its no skill he runs at me and i cant do anything except take it its like when the first added don lorenzo or kaiser and he was jus too op in blr

fast badge
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it lasts like 15 seconds

honest elm
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jackpot is literally a slightly better playmaker at its base kit

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when u awaken and dont roll its a slightly worse sniper

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or you get pull which is effectively just giant

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and when u win the roll it is flash with street dribbler

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because unless the opponents r braindead ur only getting 1 steal max (aka flash awakening)

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and since u can ankle for like.. 1 play since its such a short duration

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its pretty much flash with street dribbler

dull spade
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bump

rustic flume
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bump

fading leaf
honest elm
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go ahead and tell me

fading leaf
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"slightly better then playmaker

honest elm
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tell me

fading leaf
honest elm
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what

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about

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jackpot

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did i say

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was slightly better

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than playmaker

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@fading leaf

hollow basin
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bump

solid carbon
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Ace is the only one that needs buffs out of the mythic styles, it’s never been good ever. 🤷‍♂️

dark silo
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ace imo is the best

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jackpot is alr adapted too

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and giant is bad

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imo tho

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i personally don’t like giant

arctic saffron
dark silo
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i don’t like any mythicals flash is best ngl

dark silo
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i’ve seen a starter cook a 100 ovrl player w ace

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the range on fade is stupid if u aim at all

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skill issue again lol

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with timing and skill btw i mean i steal ace fade shot but thats with the correct timing if not i js fly to the other side of the map

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jackpot is so easily counterable so we’ve have had to adapt to that so we don’t get demolished

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i’ve seen skill-less jackpot players and they’re bad

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if u lose to a jackpot player that js means he’s better than u

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simple

icy egret
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bump

icy egret
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thanks for boosting my post tho ig

dark silo
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u do it urself alr idc

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i’m js saying losing to jackpot now is a skill issue

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jackpot in anyway in counterable best thing is the quick stealing ability from the jackpot steal

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that’s also counter-able if u pass

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ur js bad dude

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i’ve given u ways to counter it

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and i can name more

dark silo
glass crow
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You didn't even mention a way for ace to be buffed

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Because ace is the only one that needs a major buff

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It's well enough balanced too

icy egret
glass crow
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Are you born stupid or mentally dumb?

icy egret
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so maybe I'm just using the knowledge i gathered

glass crow
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Jackpot may seem op, but generally, it's balanced, I do agree with the statement of giant and ace needs buff, but how you recommend flash to be nerfed, is basically crazy, in fact ace should be lowered to legendary and flash should be mythic but that's my thoughts

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Bc if I am not wrong

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Giant has 3 abilities

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Excluding awk

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1 without the ball

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1 with the ball

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In general, it's dribble in-between the legs does need a major buff then it's balanced

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Ace other hand

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There's no helping it

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The only good side is offense

icy egret
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bump

icy egret
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but argue as much as u want

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u can't speak over reactions/polls

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✌🏻

glass crow
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And

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I've seen giant

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When it first came out

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It seemed op

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But after nerf and jackpot buff it was actually quite balanced

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And tbfh giant is a troll character if you wanna think about it

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And ace is just basically a low legendary

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Star is better than ace and a simple counter

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Blocking and understanding ace movements is a ez counter

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Deserve low legendary

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Not mythic

fast badge
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altough i think giant is balanced

glass crow
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what makes you think that

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i mean the awakening is pretty meh

prisma moth
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hell no

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giant's kit is still good and counters lucky pass, jackpot doesn't even have to be nerfed either

fading leaf
dark silo
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they removed ace fade blocking

fading leaf
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I just blocked it lol

dark silo
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bugs lmao

fading leaf
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nope

icy egret
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bump

sharp kindle
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dude said buff giant 😭💔

warm rampart
dark silo
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it’s in update log

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check

warm rampart
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this is the only mention of athletic fade

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warm rampart
dark silo
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under it dude

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can no longer jump and u need to jump to block

warm rampart
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That's for the player using it

dark silo
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it’s still blocking and ppl can still jump

dark silo
warm rampart
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That's for the player using it (2x)

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They can't jump during it anymore

dark silo
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alr

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well nvm then

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buff ace

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thanks

warm rampart
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👍

icy egret
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bump

tired whale
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Ace is too good

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U can't even stop his dribble move

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And his shot op

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He is the same level as jackpot

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Giant needs a buff

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Like me

runic ledge
winter olive
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ace is nowhere near jackpot level

runic ledge
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jackpot is so insane dude

winter olive
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it becomes so easy to block

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basically guaranteed since they can't feint it

glass crow
chrome valley
chrome valley
glass crow
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If you go to the left and use the fade, he'll side step to the left then to the right (correct me if I am wrong)

rustic flume
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bump

icy egret
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bump

icy egret
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bump

viscid sierra
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Idk why they even buffed jackpot

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They literally compensating for skill issues 🙏

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Like if you're gonna use the steal on a dribble ofc you'll miss

half moon
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ace doesnt need a buff only giant

fast badge
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???

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no?

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i have all three mythics and imo they're balanced

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formless shot is good if you know how to use it

runic ledge
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how can u use jackpot correctly?

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only way i can think of doing that

orchid quarry
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Holy yap

fast badge
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is using lucky steal to stop shots instead of just using it randomly

fast badge
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i sent two messages

orchid quarry
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Not you

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oh

orchid quarry
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Just so many messages for styles that dont need buffs or nerfs

fast badge
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yeah i agree

orchid quarry
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If you cant do good with any of the mythics thats just skill issue

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fr

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i have all three and they're literally fine

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all three are balanced

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people say formless fade is bad but it can be used in so many ways

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to make it viable

runic ledge
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jackpots only annoying cause i face full teams of them everytime i play

honest elm
stone mirage
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i mean athletic drive is rlly good tho

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u cant expect two amazing moves

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like snatch block and post form

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post form is meh

glass crow
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really bad

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rlly?

glass crow
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even athletic drive CD would make it balanced

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i thought all moves had equal cooldowns

glass crow
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and just get rid of jelly layup for it's awk with smthin else

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no

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flash and jackpot have quicker cooldowns

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you get to use jackpot CD like maybe twice every play

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same with flash

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it's steal takes the longest

fast badge
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his formless shot would make for a better awk move

glass crow
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All awk has only 2 cutscenes

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However 2 is unnecessary (if they're all dunks)

icy egret
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bump

bitter geode
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Jackpot needs a nerf we all know that, reason why its ban in league

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its banned?

bitter geode
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Yeah

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its probably becaue of the braindead awk

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i doubt the base needs a nerf

bitter geode
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No

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Base is too op in comp as well

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lucky bounce is solid

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not really

bitter geode
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Jp steal is too good

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Bounce is alr

fast badge
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no its not?

bitter geode
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It is

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bounce is literally better

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just dribble

bitter geode
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Imagine lock but better

fast badge
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its so easy to counter steal

bitter geode
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Are u dumb

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Play comp

fast badge
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jackpot steal is not better than intercept?

bitter geode
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They are the same

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wdym

bitter geode
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Literally

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intercept intercepts passes

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jackpot steals steals

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do u even know this game?

bitter geode
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They do the same thing except jp steal has a windup

fast badge
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exactly

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its better

bitter geode
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also one intercepts and one steals

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and judging by how you're a white role i doubt you know as much abt this game as you pretend to

near crow
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This feels like ragebait, saying it can steal from post form is useless info since they can just hook and that’s 2 people out of equation (or dunk if they’re close enough)

bitter geode
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well ofc its better than lock

bitter geode
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its a mythic and a legendary

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post form is mid

near crow
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Also pump fake pass is the easiest way to not get punished for playing bad

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So counterplay to it is fine imo

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this barely ever happens

bitter geode
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Ye but its the only counterplay which makes it fit meta bit too hard

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no its not just block post form

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as for post form its not even a good move

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thats like saying super dunk is op

near crow
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Say whatcha want bout ace being mid or bad but saying Giant is trash and jackpot is op has gotta be the most wack thing I’ve heard all day

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yet nobody complains

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the jackpot op crap is so stupid

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its just from people who either think the awk is too good

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which imo is partly justified

near crow
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Most people talk bout ult yeah

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or people who just dont understand it

near crow
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But the jackpot is 1/10 to triple 7

fast badge
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the ult is kinda busted

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yeah but the other move is rlly good

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lucky pull is stupid

near crow
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And nerfs you if you get the 90%

fast badge
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and lucky shot is stupider

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thatts prob why is banned

near crow
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Loaded dice is just filled with good stuff yeah

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But with jackpot, you get awk through rng just to have to play with more of it

bitter geode
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And the gamble win is 12 free points

near crow
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Lucky shot is blockable but you can use it like mido ult

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i mean unless the jackpot user is dumb

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lucky shot is uncounterable

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no smart jackpot user

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is gonna use it while guarde

bitter geode
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bitter geode
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aint no way

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you do not know how this game works do you?

bitter geode
near crow
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At the start of a play they’ll be open

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yes duh

near crow
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Yeah exactly

fast badge
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off an inbound

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thtas what an inbound is

near crow
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If I get pull I legit just go to cherry pick

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Wait for the ball to leave a players hands

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Easy 3 most of the time especially against randoms

rustic flume
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bump

glass crow
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It doesn't need a nerf

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It's balanced

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Giant was balanced in today's day and age if they didn't nerf it

balmy elk
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jackpot is so mid

fast badge
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its banned because the awakaning is braindead probably

dark silo
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why is this post still alive 😭😭😭

icy egret
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turbid needle
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yo i need help with my sugg

icy egret
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bunp

honest elm
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tbh i do agree jackpot steal needs a nerf in terms of

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what it can steal

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literally stupid to allow jackpot to steal an intercept

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and allowin it to steal pump fake into moves is also stupid

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why should i be penalized for doing pumpfake into perfect arc

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and he basically just steals my shot itself

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cause it kinda makes defense too braindead. u can just jump on any pumpfake and if they try to do anything else besides pass its a free steal

jade mason
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buff ace

glass crow
glass crow
glass crow
honest elm
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the entire reason people want pumpfake passes patched

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is because you cant steal or block them

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pumpfake gives you temporarily i frames for steals and blocks

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which is why pumpfake passes are so op

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jackpot steal goes through pumpfake i frames

glass crow
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And people want it gone because they're just bad

honest elm
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"they're just bad"

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ok

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imagine this scenario

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your vs 3 people WITH BRAINS

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and so they just huddle together and get super close then do 3 dribbles and then pumpfake pass

glass crow
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And in I mean giant would be as balanced as jackpot if it wasn't for the nerfs

honest elm
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how do you stop them from getting across the court?

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without jackpot steal

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or intercept

glass crow
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Now if there across the map no you can't block it

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But you also gotta realize

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Jackpot is primarily rng

honest elm
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still waiting

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for you to answer my question

glass crow
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I answered it stupid 💀💀💀

honest elm
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no you didnt

glass crow
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Can you not read?

honest elm
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you literally didnt answer

glass crow
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💀💀💀💀

honest elm
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your talking about 2 different things

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i asked you how do you stop them from getting across

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and you say "if they are across u cant stop it"

glass crow
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Doesnt that answer the question, no?

honest elm
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...

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if i ask u how do u stop a chicken from crossing the road

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and you say

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"if they crossed the road you cant stop it"

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is that answering the question

glass crow
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You said HOW!!?

honest elm
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uh huh

glass crow
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And I replied

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The only real character that might stop them is giant for flash

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But even yet

icy egret
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bump

glass crow
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That's not even a possibility

honest elm
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ok

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so

icy egret
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jackpot can steal locks pass btw

honest elm
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if its an impossibility besides for a few characters moves

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right

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how is it a "skill issue"

icy egret
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it can steal almost anything

honest elm
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that you cant stop it

icy egret
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aces windup

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giants post form

honest elm
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^ literally bro

glass crow
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You said nothing including teammates

icy egret
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pump fake passes

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pump fake anything

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play the game more bud

glass crow
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I am including teammates in that matter

honest elm
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they just need to

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prevent jackpot steal

glass crow
honest elm
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from stealing a move after a pumpfake

icy egret
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I have all mythicals i know whats balanced and whats not

honest elm
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stealing from an actual pumpfake is fine idc

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but if ur doing the move after the pumpfake thats stupid

icy egret
glass crow
honest elm
icy egret
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plus you're always guaranteed a move after a steal

honest elm
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for me to be in the middle of a chuck shot

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and you can steal the ball from that

icy egret
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and the dash goes almost half court

honest elm
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and then lucky pass is so annoying bro

glass crow
honest elm
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u cant intercept lucky pass unless you block the guy who passed it or use intercept

icy egret
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its not like locks move

honest elm
icy egret
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which is made to block

honest elm
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the entire point of a pumpfake

glass crow
honest elm
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is that if u jump u are penalized

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if jackpot didnt exist

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and u jumped on my pumpfake then i did a chuck shot

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oh well bro i get the shot off

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nothin u can do atp

glass crow
honest elm
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but with jackpot u can legit jump on a pumpfake

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and still come out on top

glass crow
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Idiot

honest elm
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giant is less oppressive bud

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and in regards to heat check

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the delay on heat check is probably gonna throw off a snatch block because of how long it takes

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same for perfect arc

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doesnt matter for jackpot steal though apparently

glass crow
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You realize if they didn't add jackpot, giant would still be able to jump as high and what not as before

honest elm
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what does that have to do with the moves having start up delay that throw off giant

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and the trade off is that once you use giant

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you are for sure not scoring on your own

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and you dont get a busted pass move either

glass crow
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Use the wall 💀💀💀

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I don't get dash all the time

honest elm
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"use the wall" what does that mean bro

glass crow
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If it comes to the case

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I use the wall

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💀💀💀

honest elm
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a giant is not scoring after he snatch blocks

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idek what ur talking about now

glass crow
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Explain

honest elm
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...

glass crow
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Please

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Explain

honest elm
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he doesnt have any moves left to do that

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if he is blocking a shot from his side of the court bro

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his moves would be equivalent to the moves literally everyone else has

glass crow
honest elm
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...

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nah just explain it to me

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lets say just snatched block a close 3 attempt

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and ur near half court now

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ok

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all u have left are 3 dribble moves bro

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thats equivalent to what every other style in the game has

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or worse

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u are not going to cross more than half court with 3 dribble moves

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and then get a shot off

glass crow
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Are we including street dribbler being able to activate?

honest elm
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"bro once i use a mid zone i can do it"

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sure we could even include that

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idk why u would pick street dribbler over 777

glass crow
honest elm
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lol

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ok buddy

glass crow
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Just looking at 777

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It ain't any better

honest elm
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777 speed boost alone

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gives you better defense

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because it is equal to lockdown speed when guarding

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and equal to hustle speed when you dont have the ball

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and when you have the ball it is equal to street dribbler but u dont get the 4th move

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shooting boost is literally just limitless

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and the best boost is street dribbler + limitless

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no matter what u roll it is better than street dribbler

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i mean like

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even speed dribbler is better than street dribbler

glass crow
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Street dribbler give you an extra dribble which also can help with not getting the ball stolen dawg

honest elm
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and?

glass crow
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And usually tricks defenders to get a pass or a shot off

honest elm
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the extra dribble isnt that useful

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the speed is

glass crow
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It is lol

honest elm
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ok

topaz oak
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jackpot isnt even that OP, yall just be buns

stone mirage
honest elm
icy egret
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you're getting a guaranteed steal

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with a guaranteed move

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only thing rng is his move called jackpot

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please stop speaking without knowing anything

neon pumice
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Jackpot is too weak, it needs to be buffed

glass crow
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Ace is too weak

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And giant is too

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It's move doesn't even come to you with giant

neon pumice
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The only way to balance jackpot is to give at least 5 seconds of invincibility after lucky bounce ability. Also when you roll a jackpot (777) it should last for the whole awakening duration, not just 15 seconds. And lucky dash ability range is too short, it should dash through the whole field at least.

glass crow
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is this ragebait or what

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first of all the awk would last like a minute

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and a minute of guaranteed steals and dribbles is the dumbest thing ive ever heard of

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second lucky dash already taeks you so far

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theres no need for even further distance

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and third lucky bounce literally alread gets you past your defender

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why do u need iframes

sand musk
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jackpot so weak

honest elm
sand musk
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neon pumice
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for sure

sand musk
neon pumice
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at least one thinking human being

honest elm
neon pumice
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finally

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wdym

sand musk
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йоу

neon pumice
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rustic flume
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bump

icy egret
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weary thunder
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Giant can literally snatch block jackpot passes and with good timing can get the ball whenever they want instead of GOALTENDING which is ILLEGAL

Giant can also charge ragdolling the opponent for a easy 3 pointer

The dunk is unblockable while the hook shot is blockable and even then most players just use the dunk because it’s a guaranteed 2

Jack pot has its pros and cons but it’s two major style counters is literally Giant and Lock snatch block and intercept can catch their passes if used after the jackpot player uses any sort of lucky pass

The only thing I agree with is Ace needing a buff but the amount of cheese you can do with Giant in this game I can’t defend it and hell I use it simply because it’s broken

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Did I also mention Giant can just snatch block from quite literally anywhere to get the ball for free like when someone is doing a NORMAL PASS and that’s ok with y’all?

kind lance
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It’s already good

kind lance
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Bruh

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It’s kinda annoying tho

long goblet
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Mfs is just illogical

kind lance
long goblet
icy egret
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bump

honest elm
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u can literally steal from lock interception b4 they pass

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thats a guaranteed steal btw because lock interception is a forced pass and u cant do anything besides that

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so theres literally a downside to stealing with lock + giant yeah sure its a counter but jackpot is also a counter to giant itself

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jackpot renders 1 move on both lock and giant useless (interception / post form)

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and what did the "counters" do against jackpot?

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give him a free chance at lucky dash

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or

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render giant useless for a play if it tries to stop lucky pass (giant without charge is NOT doing anything special)

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# honest elm render giant useless for a play if it tries to stop lucky pass (giant without ch...

Which logically shouldn’t be possible the way jackpot is by design is that it’s a dribbling/playmaking style which relies on randomized moves so the chances of getting lucky dash is a 1/3 chance after successfully landing jackpot steal the passes that jackpot have were never intended to be stoppable and we’re always supposed to be guaranteed but with Intercept and Snatchblock this completely bypasses that Intercept is understandable because it’s intention is to stop all passing moves but snatchblock was intended to block shots

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With snatch block not only can’t u grab shots u can grab passes and auto grab a stray ball simply by using the skill

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It’s complete cheese when ur able to spam an ability for a guaranteed ball steal

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This also works on intercept

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U don’t even have to steal the ball in case there’s a chance u can’t all you gotta do is snatch block after the pass animation happens which completely renders intercept useless that play

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Situational yes but the fact that Snatch Block can do all these things when the skill wasn’t intended to be made this way shows how cheese it really is

honest elm
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jackpot is just too good man.

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mostly the steal is making it like that anyway

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there is 0 downside whatsoever to using jackpot bounce

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in a 1 on 1 scenario, it renders most styles unable to recover because along with making you go in front of them or do the side of them depending on the direction you use it in

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it also stuns them regardless of if you get lucky stun or not

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on a 1 on 2 scenario you get a guaranteed stun on 1 person (sets you up for a shot if you do have it) and you get a guaranteed bailout pass if its not there

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and the 2 people in question have 0 way to counter this besides the moves I listed earlier (all of which are countered by jackpot steal OR just make your offense useless in exchange for countering jackpot bounce)

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so simply having 1 jackpot on your team lets you end up with:
Jackpot bounce - a move which counters almost all styles
jackpot steal - a move which all styles that counter jackpot bounce can't counter back

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and then upon using jackpot bounce, you end up with a guaranteed bucket or at the very least guaranteed team possession of the ball (given you can steal from any counter)

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then on awakening you get a either guaranteed 3 point attempt counter or just a free 3 point of your own (just shoot off the ib..)

glass crow
honest elm
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then you get a steal refresh which is the most op part of this because once you get that, it throws off the cooldown alignment of any of your counters. Lets say its a 5v5 and your vs 1 lock. If you do the exchange of bounce -> intercept -> steal and then awaken, they cant use intercept against anyone until your awakening runs out. If they do then you can steal back and they will for the rest of the game be unable to counter your bounce because the cooldowns arent aligned anymore.

honest elm
glass crow
honest elm
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"all around"

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its a offensive build with a steal

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it isnt all around bro

glass crow
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it is

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it has a good defense steal with offense

honest elm
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the closest you have to all around is star

glass crow
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wdym'

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???

glass crow
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it be flash after

honest elm
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steal with dash (though it sucks tbh)
block with leap
leap can be used to rebound or just chuck halfs and go after it
dash can be used offball to get wide open, serves the same purpose as phantom's phantom tbh.
awakening gives a guaranteed 2 and the other move sucks they need to remove that

honest elm
glass crow
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steal with dash doesnt suck

honest elm
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and dash is pretty cool

honest elm
glass crow
honest elm
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thats what i was talking about

glass crow
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and other character though no

honest elm
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flash dash is fine

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i was talking about star

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i havent tested out star dash against post form though

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if it works against that then its even more utility

glass crow
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What needs to happen is mythic buffs

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all except jackpot needs buffs

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yall the same kids who's going to cry about copycat being "OP"

honest elm
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i mean not really

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copycat tbh would probably be the worst mythic

glass crow
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mythics are supposed to be better than legendary

honest elm
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you get a randomized dribble move

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randomized between what looks like flash dash, flash combo, ace drive, and idk what the 4th is but probably its own move

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which sounds great until you realize most of the time you will not get the one you want

glass crow
honest elm
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no it isnt

glass crow
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it is though

honest elm
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because it doesnt matter if you get what you dont want with jackpot

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infact the only bad reward from jackpot is the lucky stun

glass crow
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depends

honest elm
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even losing the 777 is barely 1 play worth of movement speed debuff

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if you have a good team

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if u have a bad team of course a pass is useless

glass crow
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bc it can be pass

honest elm
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like i said

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pass has no counter

glass crow
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even yet

honest elm
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and all the other counters

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ultimatley end up in your favor

glass crow
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Bro

honest elm
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if you are a giant and you snatch my pass cool bro i can just guard you normally now what? your forced to pass it (which would be an instant steal if pumpfake passing wasnt so op)

glass crow
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jackpot is balanced

honest elm
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if u are a lock i just steal it back

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if you use hands up good for you ig that is the only actual counter though

glass crow
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Exactly

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giant needs buff

honest elm
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and even then.. it would block it backwards and i would be in the more proper position to re-gain the ball

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unless i have garbage reaction time

glass crow
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Lock an flash shouldnt be so good

honest elm
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which is my fault since i mean theres a giant darn purple orb around u

honest elm
glass crow
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How

honest elm
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because lock actually isnt that good

glass crow
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mythic is the hardest to roll correct?

honest elm
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lock isnt that good bro

glass crow
honest elm
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you realize i had to create a hyper specific scenario

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for it to stop jackpot bounce right?

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  1. you have 0 reaction time for some reason and decided to pass anyway.. evne though theres a purple orb
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  1. you didnt react to go back for the loose ball
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  1. we are assuming you dont have the objectively best zones in the game
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for jackpot atleast

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which are either 777 or unbreakable

glass crow
honest elm
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yes.

glass crow
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neither of those are even good

honest elm
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777 you have a 2/3 chance to get a speed boost

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guarantees your getting the ball back btw

glass crow
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street dribbler is still good

honest elm
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uh huh anyway

glass crow
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and is way better

honest elm
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ok anyway

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unbreakable guarantees you just steal as soon as he gets it

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so even in this hypoer specific scenario of you being a bad jackpot player against a lock (a purely defensive style)

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just run good zones and it still doesnt matter

glass crow
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well still

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flash shouldnt be as good as it is already

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and its the best after jackpot

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and theres a thing called hitboxes

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yeah

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thats bugged in this game

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so most times

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the steal is useless

icy egret
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bump

icy egret
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v

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bunp

icy egret
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bump

dull spade
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B

icy egret
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bump

wooden lotus
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They buffed jackpot even more lol

stone mirage
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Grilled

icy egret
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ace is literally one of the worst styles in the game

wooden lotus
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I ageee with ace

icy egret
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giant has a smaller hitbox than star

wooden lotus
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But giant is braindead

west crest
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YEA

icy egret
west crest
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have u seen giant

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if ur in front of him

icy egret
west crest
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its insta goal

icy egret
wooden lotus
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Literally facing 3 giant in 3v3 is like torture

west crest
icy egret
west crest
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i have jackpot

icy egret
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jackpot can steal postform

west crest
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:0

wooden lotus
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It can’t

west crest
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I GOT JACKPOT BTW

icy egret
wooden lotus
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Only when you shoot it

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It has to be timed perfectly

west crest
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i need slots rn!

wooden lotus
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Which no one can do that

icy egret
wooden lotus
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So it’s very rare

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only in the shooting animation they could I think

icy egret
wooden lotus
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but the dunk no way

icy egret
wooden lotus
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Well that’s something I didn’t know

inland heath
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Only buff Giant, Ace is good

icy egret
wooden lotus
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yea post form is eh I do agree a buff on that but nothing too crazy

icy egret
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everyone trys to hate and ragebait here

inland heath
icy egret
wooden lotus
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cuz u did sound like one at first tbh

icy egret
wooden lotus
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what’s more braindead is copycat rn

icy egret
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I've just stoped responding to anyone

inland heath
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I think most jackpot users aren’t capable of using jackpot in a way it makes too overpowered

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Usually as a ace user I cook jackpot players

drowsy perch
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buff ace

wooden lotus
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Once they fix the dribble imagine snatch with dribbling

inland heath
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I would say buff giant definitely

icy egret
drowsy perch
icy egret
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its been the same argument over and over

drowsy perch
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giant is in a good spot rn

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ace is the only lackluster mythic

icy egret
inland heath
wooden lotus
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Giant is good yea I think ace needs a buff more tbh

inland heath
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Out of all

icy egret
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ace beeds buff, giant needs rework

drowsy perch
icy egret
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they should make aces dash like flash

inland heath
icy egret
wooden lotus
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Giant awakening could use a rework like give another defensive ability rather than two 2 pointers

inland heath
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I havent tried copycat but i think it might be better i guess

drowsy perch
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post form is a free 2 point

inland heath
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Ace is way flexiable then giant, giant cooldowns are crazy high

icy egret
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if it comes to stealing passes I'd rather play giant

drowsy perch
inland heath
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Ace only issue is his fade and if thats you use it in a bad way

wooden lotus
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tbh lock is the best intercepter rn, it can intercepted bullet pass lol

drowsy perch
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but can steal pumpfake passes if timed correctly

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ace is the worst mythic rn

icy egret
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I'd say pumpfake passes are more common

drowsy perch
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you can alr intercept normal passes with jackpot steal

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if they are mid pass animation

icy egret
inland heath
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Ya lock is best defence player, sucks bad for offence

wooden lotus
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I’ve never had any issues with jackpot steal personally tbh

wooden lotus
icy egret
wooden lotus
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Flash and lock are better than ace rn

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lol

icy egret
inland heath
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For me rn s tier is in this way , ace, playmaker, jackpot, lock

icy egret
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put*

inland heath
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I feel like flash is weaker version of ace

icy egret
wooden lotus
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Flash is braindead

inland heath
icy egret
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Less movement with drive & a predicable fade

wooden lotus
drowsy perch
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flash can use dash without the ball

wooden lotus
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Fade can be blocked in my sleep

icy egret
drowsy perch
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and his dribble move auto wins 1v1s

wooden lotus
icy egret
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btw jackpot can steal Aces windup

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for his fade

drowsy perch
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ace fade is easily blockable and can be snatch blocked by giant

inland heath
#

Wrong reply

icy egret
turbid needle
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Jackpot already nerfed

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That’s a pure gambling

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Especially in awaken

drowsy perch
inland heath
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Jackpot is a gambling ult lol

turbid needle
wooden lotus
turbid needle
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In awaken

drowsy perch
turbid needle
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That’s a nerf

inland heath
turbid needle
icy egret
drowsy perch
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its 10 seconds

inland heath
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If you dont have points

drowsy perch
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thats 1 play

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💀

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not even

inland heath
drowsy perch
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if you have jackpot pull then it can even be good to get the slowness

turbid needle
drowsy perch
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cause then the enemy will take it up the court and score then you pull

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its rlly not that much of a nerf 💔

turbid needle
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I literally dont see those berfs before

wooden lotus
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If jackpot wasn’t really a gambling style it would be op yea but rn I think it’s okay,

Jackpot can be stalled
When you steal u have a chance to get lucky pass which isn’t really good let’s be honest

icy egret
drowsy perch
#

at most ur enemy is getting 3 points

drowsy perch
inland heath
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No but jackpot dash is bad if so many players are in front of u, u would have to pass

somber tapir
#

nerfing jackpot cause ur bad 😭💔

wooden lotus
drowsy perch
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if u get the buff its like 6 possible points

inland heath
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With my dribble i can get people off me and shoot

turbid needle
#

Nerf copypaste!

icy egret
inland heath
drowsy perch
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if u get blocked or snatched using lucky shot

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u gotta be new

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💀

somber tapir
#

dash counters it

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same for steal

inland heath
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It only works half court

wooden lotus
inland heath
#

I think

icy egret
wooden lotus
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It has a windup like sniper’s perfect arc

drowsy perch
#

u were fighting noobs

icy egret
#

never once seen it get blocked in a scrim

drowsy perch
wooden lotus
turbid needle
drowsy perch
wooden lotus
icy egret
drowsy perch
turbid needle
wooden lotus
drowsy perch
turbid needle
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Like, if u wanna nerf jackpot, remove his jackpot that’s makes him unique, but that's loses all the meaning of the jackpot

drowsy perch
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u physically cannot snatch lucky shot if they shoot at their hoop during in bound

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???

inland heath
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Giant cooldown should be buffed, its too long rn

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Shorten it little

wooden lotus
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with star and giant

drowsy perch
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@icy egret

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is this true

turbid needle
somber tapir
#

yes

wooden lotus
turbid needle
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Si

somber tapir
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if u predict it

turbid needle
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So

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?

inland heath
turbid needle
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He dont need nerfs

wooden lotus
#

It’s easier with giant tho

inland heath
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He is balanced

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Jackpot is balanced imo

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Buff giant, rest good

turbid needle
wooden lotus
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I think ace is the only thing that needs a buff

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or a rework

inland heath
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The only thing they can buff is the fade

turbid needle
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Truly rework

wooden lotus
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not to mention how boring it is

inland heath
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Cuz fade is predictable as hell sometimes

turbid needle
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Cuz it's fr outdated

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And need variations

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Like other styles do

icy egret
inland heath
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Ult is lovely tho

wooden lotus
#

quite literally chuck is more fun to use than ace

inland heath
#

awakening is good

icy egret
inland heath
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But he is also a 50-50

turbid needle
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Thoughts about copycat style?

inland heath
#

Not used it yet nor seen people with it

icy egret
drowsy perch
# icy egret is what

can u snatch lucky shot with giant snatch if they use lucky shot directly after inbound

wooden lotus
turbid needle
icy egret
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giant range is so terrible

drowsy perch
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lets say the jackpot is standing in the corner

turbid needle
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Like, 1 copy move, 2 move is dribble and u getting extra dribble if there opponent forward

drowsy perch
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and uses lucky shot

turbid needle
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3 move in base

drowsy perch
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is giant getting the ball?

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🥀💀💔

wooden lotus
icy egret
turbid needle
icy egret
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unless ur playing npcs

wooden lotus
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it doesn’t have any iframes

turbid needle
wooden lotus
#

Supposedly it’s a bug

turbid needle
turbid needle
wooden lotus
#

yea copycat is braindead fr

wooden lotus
turbid needle
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They called it a dash

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In common questions

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Ig u can js get the ball..

wooden lotus
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oh

turbid needle
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Cuz that’s not dribble

wooden lotus
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can u steal flash’s dash while he has the ball?

turbid needle
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That’s strange and interesting

wooden lotus
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never seen it

turbid needle
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So, that’s the weak spot of copycat

turbid needle
wooden lotus
#

yea I don’t use it often tbh lool

turbid needle
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In the game

wooden lotus
turbid needle
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But not dash

turbid needle
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Ig ion want copycat anymore

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Jackpot js funnier!

wooden lotus
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if u copy giant you might get postform which is not that good

frosty pebble
#

nerf jackpot - literally nobody

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his steal has 10 years of windup

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his pass is js like playmakers with an extra pass to it

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his ult is so easy to counter

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and if he hits jackpot u js wall dribble

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skill issue at its finest

elfin kernel
#

real tho

turbid needle
turbid needle
#

Imagine how copycats lucky, when jackpot user joins in..

keen panther
#

Skill issue if you want jackpot nerfed

turbid needle
turbid needle
drowsy perch
#

its 10 seconds

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count to 10 in your head

turbid needle
#

Nobody getting a debuff

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From styles

drowsy perch
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ace has no style without the ball

turbid needle
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And u wanna nerf it deeper

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Js remove whole concept

drowsy perch
#

im saying

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the debuff

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is useless

turbid needle
#

That’s not always

drowsy perch
#

you are meant to use it when ur close to the enemy

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the enemy will dribble 3 times away from you due to your speed debuff

turbid needle
#

That's seems to be useless if u using lucky steal, but that's not debuffing you

drowsy perch
#

when they pass or shoot then use pull on their side of the court

turbid needle
#

Like debuff in awaken

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Crazy

drowsy perch
#

if ur tms cant defend

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then ur only down one three point

turbid needle
drowsy perch
#

which u can make back

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via lucky shot

turbid needle
#

Also cant reach the ball hitboz

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And we gone

drowsy perch
#

so no matter what

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ur mode is useful

turbid needle
#

So, nobody from styles getting a debuff

drowsy perch
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and if u get 777 then ur gonna be up in points

turbid needle
#

Thatls what I mean

drowsy perch
#

ace

turbid needle
#

Jackpot is gambler style

drowsy perch
#

has no moves

turbid needle
#

Based off

drowsy perch
#

without the ball

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that is a debuff

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💀💔

turbid needle
#

Nah, that's not it

drowsy perch
#

sniper has no moves without the ball too

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and thats a debuff

frosty pebble
#

its so esay to counter jackpot

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yall js suck

turbid needle
#

That’s not a debuff, where u literally gaining slowness

drowsy perch
#

it is a debuff

turbid needle
drowsy perch
#

when mostly every style ingame has a move that be used without the ball

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ace is a mythic without a non ball move

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that is a debuff

turbid needle
#

That's not a debuff

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Style variations

drowsy perch
#

sniper is considered trash

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because its predictable

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ace is considered trash

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because its predictable

turbid needle
drowsy perch
#

jackpot is the opposite of predictable

soft lion
#

I feel like the only issue with jackpot is the mobility/range of the steal and the dash, everything else is pretty much normal

drowsy perch
#

good job

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💔

turbid needle
soft lion
turbid needle
#

Gimme

soft lion
#

but when a jackpot user gets the dash as their extra move they literally tp across the court instantly

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and theres not rlly any counterplay

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and u compare that move to something like ace's mobility dribble and despite them being the same rarity, its just nowhere near comparable

turbid needle
#

Why u need to nerf jackpot, that’s so sad

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If u want to get a rework of style

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Suggest it

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"nerf jackpot or.." what a buns conscription

drowsy perch
#

u are saying things without giving evidence

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or reasoning

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if this is ragebait u won

turbid needle
drowsy perch
#

i have given you reason after reason and everything you have told me has been "no, its actually this way" without explaining why

turbid needle
#

Why jackpot needs a nerf?

drowsy perch
#

all u have said is that sniper can pump fake

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which is immediately shut down by the existence of jackpot

turbid needle
drowsy perch
#

all pumpfakes are shut down by jackpot

turbid needle
turbid needle